Summer Time Parasite Infections & Lyme | Podcast #296

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This episode talks about parasite infections that people get during summertime, like ticks, lyme, and other types of infections. Dr. Justin and Evan Brand give a talk on how we deal with these infections, the root cause of it, myths, useful herbs and products in keeping the infections away, and a lot more! More information given below. Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

0:40       Summer Infections with Ticks

7:50        Dealing with Ticks, Other Pathogens

15:52      Different Infections

22:08     Herbs for the Infections

29:29     Pregnancy Related Infections  

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live. It's Dr. Justin Marchegiani here in the house today we're going to be chatting about summertime infections. Evan, how are we doing today man? 

Evan Brand: Doing really well, hoping that we can save some people from trouble. You know, the CDC says every year that 300,000 new cases of Lyme happen every year, and that's the official number. So I suspect the real numbers probably close to like 500,000, or maybe even more. And then of course, parasites are big, too. I suggested parasites and he said, Hey, well, we can't forget to talk about ticks because people are out and about during the summertime, potentially picking them up. And it's a huge deal. So let's dive in. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. So kind of one strategy that I kind of put forward. And we chatted about last week for summertime infections with ticks, especially if you're in your yard and you kind of want to know what's going on in your yard. My wife got a tick last week. And what we did is we sent the tick to the lab and the reason why is because we wanted to make If there was an infection, we knew exactly what the infection was. So we had a tested for briella, which is borrelia. burgdorferi is the major bacteria in the ticks, we tested for like a babesia bartonella. Thankfully, the tick wasn't caught wasn't carrying any of these co infections. And I imagine you'd probably find ticks in your area that are carrying, let's say, babesia, you'll probably see a pattern of that in the locality of your yard or in your area. So I think it's nice to know what kind of infections you may be dealing with. That way you can be on top of it and you can kind of have maybe the tinctures or the herbal formulas that you need to address some of those infections ahead of time. And that way, you're not having to play this guesswork because you know how it is with Lyme. Hey, okay, is it just Lyme where this is a [inaudible] kind of bacterial infection or is it something else like a co infection, it's kind of nice to know that way you can really hone in your treatment and if your tick comes back positive, you can kind of do it even preemptively or ahead of time, which is nice. And so we use it And we'll put the link down below, but that's helpful and we would just pay the hundred dollars and have the expanded panel and get all of the infections pulled up, which is great. And then you can kind of, you know, create a profile for your home where you know, okay, we in our backyard, we have a lot of bartonella. So we're going to be really, really careful. And then one thing you can do on top of that we kind of talked about it ahead of time is you can use a product called wondercide, which is a seed oil product, natural no crap and there's a couple other ones you can make. With different essential oils, you can do cedar, you can do olive leaf, you can do peppermint, but a lot of these oils are going to irritate and aggravate the ticks. So you can kind of create a barrier where you kind of push them outside of your yard using the wondercide or using the cedar oil and you can spray that over any forest area or higher grasses or any area where there's bugs or insects or mosquitoes and it really helps kind of keeping the insects down a little bit and creating this little inflammatory buffer for them in your yard. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, this stuff potent we got the premade solution at our old house where you can get up to the water hose and you spray it that way, man, I tell you that stuff. My God, you talk about potent. I didn't even like and I'm like, Am I a tick because I don't even like this thing I'm going to get away. But after a few days It does. It does get pretty, you know, pretty benign in terms of smell. And where we were hiking and biking and doing everything was such a huge area that for us it wouldn't have been sustainable to do cedar oil on the whole thing, but at least in just the immediate backyard. That's what we did. And supposedly it helps with mosquitoes. I don't know, I can't say I'm not sure but definitely does.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep, it does. I mean, you can make your own. Some essential oil lines like doterra they have their terror shield which is really good. You can make it a lot of times with a spearmint or a time or clove or Rosemary or citronella. So there's different citrus oils or peppermint oils that you can combine and you can make your own kind of natural bug spray and then you can just put it in a good 16 ounce bottle and you Kind of spray, you know around the perimeter of your property and or any big bushes Where are high grass where bugs can hide. And I find just doing that kind of every couple of weeks just take a five minute walk around the property with the spray bottle, and that can really kind of help keep a lot of that down. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, Stephen Buehner love Stephen did some really, really great books on Lyme and co infections in his book, he has a recipe. So if you all have that book, it's the healing line book. He has a recipe in there for what he calls like a 99% effective tick repellent. You mix all these essential oils together and my lord It is very, very, very, very strong and potent. I don't think I've had any takes on me but man, one spray on your legs and you're going to be smelling like think Frankincense is in there but you're going to be smelling all day so you have to shower off after that but either way, I'd rather smell like essential oils. Now one other thing to this another piece of advice if you are going in wooded areas I've had several clients who've been out camping so far this summer and they have came back with ticks on them or their dogs. It's called a Picarton. It's PIC like pick a carton. And Sawyer is a brand who makes the card and there's other brands out there. But apparently I looked into the literature on this because it's, I don't like manmade chemicals. You know, you hear about deet and deets, bad news. But this Picarton is like a synthetic pepper extract. It has no smell to it at all, which is amazing because most of the conventional bug spray smell smell terrible. So I when I was looking at a piece of property, I actually got some of this Picarton lotion, and it's like a 20%. And I put some of the lotion on and I was in I'm talking the thick of the thick where I would have typically had five, six ticks on me. I had I had zero and all I did is I put just a tiny dime sized amount on my ankles and then I put a little bit on the back of my neck and a little bit around my waist because I like to crawl into your pants and I hadn't noticed So I haven't I haven't done enough you know, long term research on this, but so far Picarton just look up a card and it's, it is synthetic. But in terms of toxicity, I can't find anything about it. I think there were a couple rat studies where they were applying tons of it for years and years and nothing ever happened. So it seems benign, it seems safer than deep for sure. If the essential oils like they weren't for me, they were too strong. I got a headache from the essential oil blends and the McCartan could be something else to look into it. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's good. I mean, just the standard cedar oil is going to be excellent just having a lot of times the cedar oil acts as a bug spray. But what it does is I mean, if you if you see if you ever treat your dog with a cedar oil bath at all, you can see like a little fleas, you put some seed oil, they literally run from it, right? And so if you do that it kind of acts as a good repellent where they're less likely to jump on you because you're not quite as tasty right. So the cedar oil is great. Badger makes a really excellent insect or I should say mosquito repellent and it has a lot of cedar oil in it. So it would work for other bugs and even for ticks. And then one thing I recommend everyone get is get a tick removal kit that just you can get them from on Amazon for like 10 15 bucks. But if you ever get a tick, you'll have the ability to pull it off without destroying the tick keeping it intact. And then you can also send it into the tick report place and get your report. So definitely spend that 10 to 15 bucks to get a tick remover kit. We'll put the Amazon link down below the one that I've used. And I've used successfully the last couple of weeks that I've got a tick off my dog recently and I took off my wife and it worked great, keeps it intact. Easy because the worst thing is you don't want to break that tick open and you don't want to have half in and half out. So it's a great way to get it out and intact and send it off to the lab. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, there's a bunch of myths like doing a match head to a tick don't do that or try to twist it or crazy stuff. Don't do that you just grab on and once you pinch these guys, you just hope And on them. And then eventually they released they let go. So I just kind of grabbed the tick hold with pressure. And then eventually, three, four seconds later it lets go and it just pops off. So I would have done the tick report, but I was pulling so many off at the time. It's like, Okay, well, which tick, you know, which tick Am I going to blame here? So.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, for you, it probably just be nice to get a profile just to say, okay, you know, let's put in five or six ticks, see what comes back. Okay, we got some bartonella coming up in the backyard. So then we can, we can really have a lot of maybe we're going to be on some bartonella support throughout the summer, just to be on top of that. But if you look at a lot of the tick removals when it comes with tweezers, which is kind of standard, but it's like this little V, and so wherever the tick is, let's say the ticks here, you start with the V, and then as the V comes in, it gets underneath the tick and it kind of pops it out as you go in. So once you're all the way down on the V, you can pull it out, yeah, at least get its grasp off and then you can use the tweezers to then pull off the skin. So that little v thing really helps. It just allows you to scoop underneath the tick and have it release so then you can pull it off better. 

Evan Brand: Yep, when fingers crossed, hopefully people don't get them hopefully, whether it's the Picarton or whether it's the essential oil blend like Buner talks about in the book or the cedar in your yard, you know, hopefully, these are things you can do to prevent it. And if you live somewhere where you don't have and will Well, good for you, you're, you're seriously lucky. But that's, that's the tick thing. Now let's talk about some of these other these other pathogens, things that you're probably going to get from water more than you are from things crawling on you things that I've personally dealt with, and you and I've dealt with clinically, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times, which is going to be Cryptosporidium, and giardia, which are two infections that really really start to pop up in summertime because people they're playing in the water more and they can really, really wreck you. Now, here's the annoying thing. I want your comments on this. This is the annoying thing is when you look up crypto or you look up Giardia and you get just the standard kind of CDC information. It always talks about how like immunizations compromise people with AIDS and HIV and data. Those are the people don't get sick from it. But all right. I don't have HIV AIDS, I don't have cancer that I know of, and I got really sick from those pathogens. So what do you say to those articles where it kind of makes you it almost gives you a false sense of security because it's like it's only the elderly or this or that they can get symptomatic from these bugs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. I mean, I think there's a spectrum, right, I think the most pathogenic expression of the infection is going to express with people that have significant immunocompromised conditions, like you see people with AIDS, they die of Candida, right, because of the fact that not the Candida kills you but it's the fact that when you're immunocompromised significantly, it can definitely be something that puts the straw, you know, the last nail in the coffin, so to speak, right, the straw that breaks the camel's back. So that's for sure. Now, you could be in a place where, hey, maybe you're just having a little bit of loose stool, maybe you're getting some brain fog. Maybe you're having a little bit tummy upset. And we know GRT actually comes from beavers in the water. So if you're hiking and you consume water or potentially you're in a lake water, it's possible that you could get exposed to it. So, you know, I'm an avid water skier watersport guy. And so if you're out in the water a bit, you really want to be on top of that, you know, make sure you don't swell on it. If you if you do by accident, incidentally, which could happen with water sports, or just being in the water, right? Same goes up your nose, you want to have some good clearing herbs on hand that you can at least take preventatively maybe even before after, and then maybe some extra probiotics on top of that to prevent any infection from kind of gaining a foothold. That's going to be helpful but with JRD I mean, you could have just loose you know, loose or watery diarrhea. You could have some cramps because of the minerals being thrown off because of the diarrhea. You could have nausea or poor appetite issues. You could have energy issues, you could have cognitive issues, brain fog issues, of course that can affect energy and mood as well. And then when you throw off the electrolytes, you know, your muscles may not work well, you may have some muscle fatigue as well. So all those things are possible, especially if you start getting diarrhea and you lose your electrolytes. So all those things are, you know, key. So if you have that we want to do some different stool testing to pick that up. So grd isn't any one of the first anything else you want to say about that. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, the symptoms, I'm just, I guess what I was kind of frustrated about is people will think, oh, that can't be it because it says here, it's only going to be elderly or this or that and then they're like, No, that can't be me. This article says here, it's only the you know, severely immunocompromised people who can get sick, but in my case, I was what I thought I would say I was relatively healthy. And you know, I ended up losing a ton of weight from Giardia because it massively affected my appetite and digestion. So, this you know, the point of this whole podcast is if everything was decent to average, and now all of a sudden you got some weird things popping up in the summer. This is one of the most common infections people are going to pick up this time of the year. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Giardia is gonna be a big one we've talked about I think you heard it before in the past. Also the next one's Cryptosporidium, that's another waterborne parasite. Again, you're gonna see a lot of the data saying, Hey, you got to be immunocompromised but I can tell you I've seen patients get it that are not immunocompromised. And what does immunocompromised mean? I mean are a lot of people at a health level where they could be a little bit you know, compromised, maybe not at the same level of someone with AIDS or someone who was malnourished at a third world country but I think people are getting these infections and I think it's kind of written off at these infections only happen in like Third World type of countries where water supplies bad and nutrition's is bad or someone with a has a severe immunocompromised condition but I've seen it happen and others I know you have to so we want people to definitely be aware of it. So Cryptosporidium is another water and either a food one so we're thinking summer people are in the water, the lakes, the ponds, and these could be something that they catch or get exposed to. So an ounce of prevention is possible. worth a pound of cure, right? So we can be on top of these things where we take some nice clearing herbs ahead of time. In my line, I do the giac clear for ahead of time, which will have the berberine, the golden seal, it'll have some olive leaf and some grapefruit seed extract some black walnut holes. And I'll do a couple before couple after. And that's usually enough to kind of keep things at bay. And maybe I'll throw in some probiotics that night or that next day or to some extra dose to really make sure we have some good beneficial bacteria that can help crowd certain things out and flush some stuff out as well. Nice.

Evan Brand: Yeah, I don't have personal test in front of me, but my daughter when she was two, she had parasites, we just noticed that she was having some loose stool. So this is a call out to the parents too. If you've got kids, you know, talk to your kids about their poops. You know if they start getting 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 years old, maybe they don't want to talk about their poops. But this can be important because let's say you're just hanging out on the boat drinking a margarita or something but the kids are in the water. They're more likely to just maybe on purpose or accidentally swallow some water and get infections and the parents may not know about Because the kids don't talk about their poops, so, and I've worked on hundreds of kids, and you'll see kids that have mood issues that are linked to these infections. So the parents may say, Oh, well, the kid, you know, he's just crazy. He's got anger, or he's got irritability, or he's got this or that. But there's a huge link between mood issues and gut infections. And I tell you, when I had gut infections, my mood was crap. Because my if you think of the domino effect here, the infections are messing up your ability to digest, you don't have enough amino acids, so you may lose weight or muscle mass, your neurotransmitters can get affected, you could have all sorts of issues downstream. So it's not just like diarrhea, it can manifest in many other ways. So if your kids are crazy, all of a sudden, it could be an infection piece and their liver may not be able to keep up with the toxic load. So if you see dark circles under the eyes of your kids, you know, that may be something to investigate. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. 100% so we have different infections. On the parasite side, which could be Giardia. It could be Cryptosporidium, Our stool test of choice for addressing this will be the GI map. We'll put a link down below if you guys want to reach out and order a GI map from Evan or I will put our links down below so you guys can access it. That's wonderful. Okay. And then we talked about the ticks, right? So what I recommend if it's if it's happening or is a frequent exposure in your backyard, figure out what your tics may be carrying. That way you can kind of be on some different herbal support ahead of time. What are some of your favorite herbal support for the different types of CO infections, Evan? 

Evan Brand: Well, I got to give credit where credit's due so Steven Buner in his book one thing I forgot to mention, we may have mentioned it years ago on a podcast but and I can't confirm whether or not this worked for me or my wife because I had so many tick bites that it was hard to say. Like, did I prevent the infection from that bite but that bite did get me when you have multiple it's tough but Andrew graphis Well, we did is we did his recommendation of a green clay mixed with andrographis. You kind of make a paste out of it and you put the paste on the tick bite area and it'll just basically solidify and it gets kind of crusty, but that on the tick bite area is supposed to help prevent infection I don't know if it's like a quote sucking mechanism or what to pull the infection out. But the andrographis clay mixture supposed to be very well preventing infection. Like I said, I've had too many bites to confirm whether or not that work but if I do get any more future by itself will be while I'll be implementing. And then of course on just in summertime in general, I'm staying on astragalus about two to three grams a day just to keep my immune system on alert that in theory could help to where if you did get bit with a tick to have borrelia which is a bacteria that causes Lyme in theory, if the astragalus at the two to three gram daily dosages in your system, in theory, it could help to keep the immune system revved up enough to where Lyme would not be able to take place. And then going into the actual herbs and the Favorites there. It kind of depends on what you're up against. And it depends on you know, whether it's a kid it depends on the Constitution of The person I use a lot of beyond balance products, their professional company they've got several tinctures specifically designed for different types of babesia. They have several for bartonella. They have some for borrelia. I'll work in some of those. But man, I'm a big fan of, of isolated herbs too. So like Japanese knotweed is so amazing and so broad spectrum and it is kind of an anti spy rokit-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: or Japanese knotweed that's basically resveratrol. So Japanese knotweed is an herb but very, very high in resveratrol, which has some immuno modulating benefits. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, and you want you want if you're going to get resveratrol, you want it from knotweed, you don't want it from like grape seed or whatever else. There's other forms of resveratrol, but you want the knotweed so that I love knotweed, I've got a huge bottle of it right here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's great.

Evan Brand: And then my other my other favorite tincture here, this is CSA, this is crypto lepus Sita and our corneas good. And these are the CSA blend is good. I've tried to do some different isolated tinctures like Sita, which can be very helpful for bartonella bartonella can actually come from mosquitoes and from fleas so if your pets had fleas and the fleas jump off, you can actually get bartonella from those so people that think, Oh, I haven't had a tick bite, you know, many people I've tested positive for bartonella that have never had a tick bite that they know of. So, in bartonella, can be a beast regarding, you know, chemical sensitivities and headache at the occipital portion on the back of the head, it can cause anxiety, it can cause depression, despair, it can do a lot of stuff to you. And so, the CSA blend is something that can address bartonella and it can address babesia but easier Believe it or not, I had I had deja vu all the time, like two three times a week, but I Oh my God, I've been here before this is weird, you know, massive deja vu. Apparently, deja vu is one of the symptoms of the vizia. So that's how I knew to test it. And then I can confirm with DNA testing and show that that I did have a visa so the CSA is great for me because, you know, bartonella showed up for me and but Vizier showed up for me and krypto lepus sido. cornea, those three are sort of anti malarial herbs are kind of traditional anti malarial herbs. And Bz is kind of a cousin of malaria and the way it infects the red blood cells. So those are, those are two game changers for me, but does that mean that you need to go by those? No, not at all. You should definitely work with a practitioner because this stuff gets tricky. And depending on what's going on with the immune system, there may be other priorities. So you know, Justin, I always talk about kind of painting the picture and getting all the puzzle pieces. So there may be parasites to go after first, there may be H. pylori, there may be bacterial overgrowth, there may be other things first, it's not so, so simple and clear as I got bit by tick test positive for bartonella. I'm going to go take every herb that you can take for bartonella because that may not be the correct order of operations.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110% 110%. So it's nice to know what kind of infections are going on. So when you talked about the first line defense, you talked about putting a bentonite clay over the tick bite. 

Evan Brand: Yeah. So you would mix it you'd mix clay and water graphis together. Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you get an andrographis tincture, you mix it with a little bit of bentonite clay and put that right over the tick bite. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, turned into a paste, rub it on, let it dry, and then just leave it there for a few hours or however long it kind of makes your skin like, I don't know, maybe a little itchy or just kind of stretches. It feels like it's stretching it because it's drying. So as long as you can handle it. Yeah, keep it on the take fight area. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So andrographis and then you do that maybe dry it with a with a hairdryer and maybe put a bandage over it to keep it from falling off. Maybe.

Evan Brand: The bandage would be smart. Yeah, we didn't do that. I was just losing crusties everywhere but yeah, the bandage would have been smart.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes sense because you're kind of just you're trying to use it as a magnet to kind of pull any toxins or junk out. So it doesn't quite go as Right. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I've heard I've heard people say they think it worked, you know, I mean, how do you how do you verify this? You know, it's it's hard to prove. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it's hard for sure. Now a couple things that I like. So we're going to just go over a couple of herbs. You mentioned a couple you mentioned Siddha, acuta, crypto Lapis or cryptologist. However you want to pronounce that one. There's a couple that are just really good, right? cat's claws just a really good general herb. You talked about Japanese not word for knotweed for the resveratrol really, really good. Noni and neem also tend to be very, very good as well. Silver also tends to be very good for different in CO infections like babesia, we may want to do more silver with lime or borrelia burgdorferi, maybe more cat's claw or Japanese knotweed for other types of infections like going down my list here. If we have other types of infection like ehrlichia, we may use more astragalus right. So different herbs are Different infections, different herbs but cat's claws a good one to have in your medicine cabinet. neem is a good one to have in your medicine cabinet. And I would say cryptologist or Siddha, or resveratrol Japanese knotweed is excellent to have. 

Evan Brand: Yeah. And also, I've tried one called Otoba Bark. I believe it's an AFM a Toba bark. It's like a Brazil, some type of a Brazil tree. There was a guy named Dr. Marty. I'm trying to get him on the podcast. Really cool. Really cool guy, really smart guy. He talked about that. I bought some tincture and I tried it, man, that stuff is potent. So I can only handle like a few drops of it twice a day, but the otoba was supposed to be very, very anti borrelia as well. So if you're somebody who's been battling, you know, chronic, whether it's like a nor neuro what they called neuro Borealis, where you're having a lot of the cognitive stuff associated with Lyme, the ottobock can be helpful and then you mix that with cat's claw, so and then not worry too because it's so anti inflammatory for the brain. So yeah, I definitely noticed more my head gets more clear. If I do not wait, so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you could probably even do some little more curcumin as well to help.

Evan Brand: I've tried curcumin, hard to say that's one of those supplements. For me, it's hard to tell whether it's doing much, but I know it's helpful. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, everyone may respond a little bit differently for sure. So yeah, but it's good, you know, we kind of throw them out there. And again, we're not we're kind of giving you guys some good general ideas on things. Just make sure if you have any of these issues work with a practitioner, so they can kind of help guide you through the process because it can get a little bit overwhelming. And there's a lot of things you could do, it may not be necessary, right? So treating some of these infections acutely, maybe a little bit different than working with us on a functional medicine program. Because we work with people based on chronic health issues. There's a different program that we may go after, compared to someone dealing with an issue a little bit more acute. So when we're kind of triage the patients a little bit differently. And then of course, you know, if you get to the point where there's a active Lyme issue that's totally acute and you're symptomatic right away. It may be reasonable to Look at doing a doxycycline antibiotic for two weeks or so. But again, I tried to stay away from the antibiotics unless it's absolute last case scenario. So if it does get significant, or it's acute, you may want to look at a doxycycline. But off the bat, our bias tends to always be going towards the herbs, indoor using some of the natural expectorants the you know, adsorbents right, bentonite clay with the andrographis over the tick bite seems like a really good first line for anyone with the tissue. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, and the problem with the antibiotics is most people they don't know that their situations acute. You know it depending on what article you read. It's such a low percentage of people that actually get the rash and all of that. So you could have these other kind of flu like symptoms that could be the early stages fatigue and whatever else and you're not actually know that it's live. So by the time it gets past that acute phase, you don't even know and it kind of becomes chronic before you even know that you have it and if you go and do a DNA test for example, on the year You know, it may take few weeks or if you do blood, it may take a couple of weeks to get it done. So it's so you'd have to really, really, really catch it early, I guess is all I'm saying? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, with tick reports, you grab that tick and you send it off to the lab, you can get the results back in three days. So I wouldn't be jumping on any antibiotics personally, unless you're symptomatic. And you can test that ticking and it comes back positive with an infection.

Evan Brand: That's the hard part too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I'd be jumping on the herbs first. I think the herbs are very, very effective. I think it just depends on how how significant it is, how acute it is, you know how much those symptoms ramp up. That's the problem. The problem with a lot of Lyme stuff is a lot of the side effects of the antibiotics can also mirror Lyme symptoms, joint pain, fatigue, malaise, I mean, go look at doxycycline side effects. You'll see a lot of those side effects mirror some of the Lyme symptoms so it becomes this well, if die off or is it just the antibiotic creating side effects. What is it right it becomes a little bit tough to to fret that out.

Evan Brand: True, true. Yeah. And I interviewed that guy, I want to say his name was Steven, the guy tick report. Anyway, I asked him the question of ticks. And I said, Okay, well, they're averages around 51% of ticks contain contain line. So they've tested hundreds and thousands, hundreds of thousands. And I believe it's a 51% positive rate for borrelia. So if you, if you get bit by two ticks, you know, basically, you're probably going to get it because there's 51% of the ticks habit, unless you go to-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -maybe an area thing to maybe an area maybe like, hey, true in this area, it's 90%, you know, 10%, but this area, it's 90%. Right? And then it just kind of averages out across the country. So it could be that that's why I like sending some of your tics in and then you know, we kind of talked about your situation, right? Like you used to be hiking a lot in the forest and now we're like, Alright, let's cut out maybe a wider path in your backyard. So you can you can be going through there and not have all these branches or high grass hitting your legs and stuff. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, well, I was getting paid. And I was getting paid to you know, 2009 2010 I was getting paid to, to work in the woods. I love Did it was great, but man many times I brought home ticks, so no fun. No fun. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It's not worth it now, though. 

Evan Brand: No, it's not at all.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because I think some of your chemical sensitivities because of these chronic infections.

Evan Brand: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. So I try to be on top of that, I think some of the wondercide is great. And, you know, if you have a lot of woods in your backyard, try to have a nice little path cut for yourself. So you can go in there enjoy nature and not be these ticks jump on you. 

Evan Brand: ep, and burn. And this is not like, oh, work with a practitioner. I mean, yeah, we would love for you to work with us. We're honored and blessed for the opportunity to help so many people. But we're not saying that to just sell ourselves. We're saying that because I can tell you personally and clinically, this stuff does get tricky. And you can definitely poke the what's the analogy you could like poke the beehive so to speak with these bugs. So for example, if you have borrelia and you have bartonella and you try to go after, let's say borrelia first and not the CO infection, the CO infection may take you down Because the stress of killing can weaken you a little bit so you may kind of knock down one you know, play whack a mole, you may knock down one infection, and then the other infection can kind of take you down and more symptoms ramp up there. So you really want to be able to check in with somebody where you can know oh, this popped up. Okay, we may need to switch gears because if you're stubborn, you're just going to go go go and try to do all this yourself. And it may extend your timeline, and it can definitely extend your suffering. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% Yep, I totally agree. Anything else Evan, you want to highlight here today? I mean, I think we're on the right track. couple of questions came in what's your insight for pregnant women passing worms? Just depends. There's some herbals to do it. I probably would stay away from the herbs if you're pregnant. There's some medications like me bandas or albendazole slash vermox. You don't really take them that long. Usually you take them, you know, one to two times a day for two days and then you wait two weeks and take it again. I'm not sure about the safety profile of that if you're pregnant. You have To talk to your prescribing doctor and then there are some natural things like diatomaceous earth foodgrade, that may be okay because it's kind of more dehydrating the worms, exoskeleton, and it's primarily going to stay in your intestinal tract. But if you're pregnant, you know, all bets are off. So my general recommendation is try to treat these things ahead of time. If you are going to get pregnant, so you go into pregnancy with a good gut, if you have an acute issue, you know, you really want to talk to your conventional medical doctor, look up the safety profile of those simple worm meds, and then maybe some of the more gentle binders, but you'd have to do a little more research on that. And the question can we use herbs in the mouth gargling brushing for gums like amoebiasis or inflammation? You definitely can. There's a product that I use called dental Sidon, you can use the liposomal formula. That's great. You can also gargle with silver as well. You can even do a 3% hydrogen peroxide as well gargle with that but that those are some really good options. Thought Evan? 

Evan Brand: Yeah, the the pregnancy question that one's tough, because A lot of herbs are off the table during pregnancy. So I guess the question would be, you know, how far along is she. And then you could always wait until you have the baby. There are many, many more things on the table that are safe while nursing that are not safe during pregnancy, mainly because nobody's going to do the study on them. So I've worked with many, many, many pregnant women, but the general recommendation is, hey, depending on how bad it is, like olive leaf has pretty good safety profile olive leaf has some general antimicrobial benefits. So may or may not be in firepower, but we probably just try to, you know, get that woman as comfortable as we can through pregnancy, get her to the nursing phase, and then that would open up the door for a lot more herbs. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Like even me bandsaws not really studied during pregnancy. So I would try not to do anything personally while pregnant unless it's 100% necessary and it's a cute and then on that note, I mean what I do with diet tomato, I probably stick to a D food grade over anything else. But that's just me. I mean, it just comes down to have to weigh your options about how acute The issue is and Kind of where you're at in the pregnancy because if you can wait always wait through. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, the D is good. We use that for my daughter when she had pinworms, and they were super resistant to the parental that conventional drug we didn't want to use it but the the herbs we tried didn't work. So we brought up the D and it and it cleared it up. So I know like even in young kids, for example to maybe she has some concern about possibly that the baby having some kind of worm issue, you know, I would just get through the pregnancy and-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You know, what should you do, though? You know, you know, do that be really good. You could do some pumpkin seeds, pumpkin seeds should be fine during pregnancy and that would also have a natural deworming effect. I would do pumpkin seeds that has a natural compound in there called Kurt cucur byton cucur byton and it paralyzes the worm and helps the body eliminated. So pumpkin seeds would probably be your safe one. If you needed a natural support to get rid of it because pumpkin seeds I don't think are contraindicated to seed right? any food that's contrary to you, so that would probably be your safest bet. If you Support now. Nice but again, this is not medical advice, just purely entertainment. So talk to your prescribing doctor ob and or functional doc.

Evan Brand: Yep, sounds like easy to implement and who knows, maybe it works. Maybe it's not in the firepower But hey, can't hurt. Don't kid definitely can't hurt.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Anything else you want to highlight today. So we went over like the common stuff that we see in the summertime we have all the ticks in the coinfections. We went over triage care with that topical, we talked about a couple of internal things. Before you go internal definitely reach out to a good functional medicine doc. We talked about the grd and the crypto. We talked about some preventative and how we go after that. And then the testing for that being the GM app, put the link down below. We talked about preventative stuff to make your yard safer to get rid of a lot of the past and the insects and the ticks and the fleas. We talked about how we can actually test some of the ticks to see what kind of infections your yard may carry and what kind of profile your yard has. That way you can kind of have a lot of this stuff on hand if your yards heavily Borriello or bartonella you can have those things on hand maybe even be preventively taking some of these things are in the summer. And you can take some extra precaution to get some of the natural essential oils down to kind of create a buffer zone to keep these bugs out of your yard. 

Evan Brand: Yep, yep. No, it's all great. I asked the guy when I talked with him, man, can you guys plot all this stuff on the map? I'd love to see an interactive map with all their 50,000 plus test test points and kind of click around and click on the states and see a map of where all the infections are. That'd be cool. But he said they hadn't implemented it yet. That was several years ago. That'd be a cool feature, though. It would because then, you know, hey, if I'm in Austin, Texas, and you could see like a lot of borrelia right, there are a lot of bartonella right there then you can kind of use that data accordingly. That would be awesome. Well, if you need help clinically, we work with people around the world. So please don't hesitate reach out. We're here to help and we're honored and grateful for the opportunity to do so. You can reach Dr. Justin at, me, Evan Brand at We'll talk to y'all next week. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And if you guys enjoyed the content thumbs up really appreciate it put your comments down below let me know your experience with different summertime infections really like to understand that we're available worldwide and also if you guys don't mind if you're really enjoying the content, head over to or and write us a review. We really appreciate kind of getting the word out. Our review really helps it gives us more credibility and well you know, we appreciate you guys learning and sharing it with your friends and family so everyone can be a little bit healthier. Anything else, Evan? 

Evan Brand: No, that's it. Have a great day. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care everyone. Bye y'all. 

Evan Brand: Bye bye.


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