Fixing fungal and candida overgrowth – Podcast #102

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand take time to address another prevalent issue that they come across in their practice — fungus and yeast. They share about their personal experiences as well as more valuable information about this topic in this episode.

Candida-OvergrowthListen so you can find out what diet changes to make to help get rid of fungal infections and the difference it makes when you pull out foods that are high in mycotoxins and aflatoxins. Learn what the most common symptoms people experience and the markers to look out for when checking the organic acids test. Then discover the steps to take and the additional treatments to do to really overcome any fungal or yeast infections after listening to this podcast.

In this episode, topics include:

00:20 Fungal issues and anti-fungal foods

05:27 Organic acid test markers

07:52 Symptoms

12:40 Antibiotics and steroids

17:23 Alkaline vs Acidic

20:28 Remedies

 

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  What’s up, Evan brand? It’s Dr. J here. How you doin’ today?

Evan Brand:  Hey, I’m great. I’m excited to talk with you about fungus and yeast. Something that you and I see weekly but it’s been like very prevalent so I figured this is something we should probably address.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, fungus and yeast. That’s something we see in the practice a lot. I know you see it a lot. I actually had chronic fungal issues myself. So I’ll share some intimate stories about fungus in my life and how much of a—a difference it made in getting rid of it and overcoming it.

Evan Brand:  Wow. What happened? Did you have on toenails? Was it on your skin? How did it manifest?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I mean with fungus issues? I had like, you know, the typical like jock itch, athlete’s foot, you know, something like tinea rashes, like my whole life. Like really, really bothering me. Like I remember like scratching my toes like ‘til they would like bleed because it would just be so itchy. I never understood what the heck it was. Now obviously making diet changes, it—it really helps, right? Because pulling out the sugar, pulling out foods that are high in mycotoxins which are basically fungal toxins. They made a huge, huge difference and then also treating the actual fungus with specific herbs and getting rid of deeper infections really made a huge difference ‘til they just totally going away.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, so when you see diet’s talking about anti-candida–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand:  Anti-fungal diets, that’s a good start, but until you get to the treatment, you dig deeper, you probably won’t resolve it 100%. Is that safe to say?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Correct, and like there’s foods that need to be addressed, need to be eradicated or pulled out to really maximize it. So for me, like cutting peanut out was a big one, that really helped.

Evan Brand:  A lot of mycotoxins–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand:  In peanuts?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, a lot of aflatoxin which is a—a specific type of fungal toxin and fungus is like kinda this big branch, this big umbrella. Under the fungal branch we have things like candida or yeast, right? Candida—we have different kinds of candida. We have candida albicans which is like the most common type of fungus. We have other kinds like krusei and rhodotorula and these different types of fungus that are under that umbrella. So the most common ones, the albicans, but again I don’t even go break it down to those subtypes. The question is do you have this fungal overgrowth? And there’s gonna be some level of fungus there. The question is, is there an out of balance overgrowth? If there is, let’s knock it down, number one. And number two, let’s starve it out and not eat foods that have mycotoxins in it, number one, and also number two, don’t eat excessive sugar foods that are gonna drive that fungal overgrowth.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, so would that be if people are drinking coffee? Supposedly some people say that the whole mycotoxin thing on coffee is overstated. Some people say that it’s not BS. I don’t know. I—I personally don’t drink coffee, so I think it’s something to look into but I don’t know how much it will move the needle for people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I know Dave Asprey is a big guy on the mycotoxins and a lot of his Bulletproof diet is based off of eating lower mycotoxin foods, which I think is great. I mean, I think cutting out peanuts and another big one is balsamic vinegar is a big one that’s really, really high in mycotoxins. Here’s an article over at Science Direct—see here—it’s called mycotoxins in fruits and their processed products. And it’s Analysis, occurrence and health implications. And they’re looking at different foods and the mycotoxin levels in it and balsamic vinegar is one of those things that popped up in this article. And again, so when you go out to eat, most people think, “Oh, I’m doing such a great job,” by, you know, avoiding the crappy salad dressing they have that’s loaded with Omega 6 refined vegetable oils. We’re having the olive oil and balsamic, but that’s high in sugar and also high in some mycotoxins.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, and I’ve also heard of I don’t know if it’s on that article but rice being a pretty common fungal exposure, too. So I’m not sure if you’re safer by getting organic rice or not, it’s really hard to say.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That’s interesting. I’ll have to do a Ctrl-F here and see if that pops up in the column for mycotoxin, but balsamic vinegar was one of those ones that commonly came up.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, so you—you talked about—I’m gonna list off some other things here that people may notice in terms of like their fungal and yeast infections. So you talked about something like the—the top layer of the skin issues, the jock itch, athletes’ foot, ringworm is another fungal–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  Infection and then you got fungal nails. So people with the—you know, sometimes the yellow nails. I remember seeing the commercials as a kid, of the angry little yellow nails on the TV commercial.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup, exactly.

Evan Brand:  And then I—I haven’t heard of this one. I didn’t know this was the actual name for it, but intertrigo yeast infection in the skin folds. So it’s talking about how people with a lot of skin folds, the yeast can grow in between the warm mor—moist areas where your skin is all folded and–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, typically you’ll see that with the gut. People that have overhanging guts in the abdomen area and that’s referred to as impetigo. Yes, that’s very common.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, and then thrush and that’s basically it. That’s the round up. So there’s a lot of different ways it can manifest. Many people think, you know, when we talk to them, I’ve heard many women say, “Well, I don’t have a yeast infection right now.” And they think that it’s only limited to the vagina but it’s not. You could basically have this yeast anywhere, internally, externally, and it will show up on the organics with the arabinose marker and then the tartaric acid. And then you and I will also see it on other markers, too. I mean, there’s like probably half a dozen or more markers that show up on the organics with yeast and that’s how you know it’s really bad when everything’s flagged.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely! Let’s break it down. So we have this yeast or fungal overgrowth. Also we have various toxins produced by these critters. So aflatoxin’s one, that we see that in peanuts. Also another thing here on aflatoxins, it’s also found in foods at specific temperature typically between 13 and 40 degrees Celsius, typically 30. And one of the big ones they mentioned was sometimes almonds, pistachios, brazil nuts, maize, rice, figs, cottonseed and spices. So you can see spices are a big one. If you look at Dave Asprey’s Bulletproof diet, certain spices such as like pepper and such–

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Was one and also people that leave their spices like above the stove where a lot of heat’s coming, right? That can really drive some of that mold, so making sure like if I do like almonds, I try to make sure they’re either soaked or like roasted a little bit and you know, I don’t do them a ton. I just try to really cut out a lot of the foods that are higher in these mycotoxin and aflatoxins, and a good Paleo diet is gonna be helpful on that. So the foods are a big driving factor and then how fungus manifests. You mentioned in the skin. It could be tinea, tinea versicolor’s a big one; it could be the impetigo or other types of rashes and then also in your nails and in your vaginal area, in your—in your groin area or on your toes.  So those are really big common areas that we look at and again we can address it 3 ways. One, we stop feeding it. Two, we stop putting it—the toxins of it in our body through food. Number three, we kill it topically. Number four, we kill it internally.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And then number five, we add back in quality probiotics and also maybe even competitive yeast like Saccharomyces boulardii to help compete for those internal niches that these fungus live in.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That make sense?

Evan Brand:  Yeah, yeah, and something is pretty common, too, is we’ll see a yeast problem with a parasite problem. Like a lot of times if there’s candida, there’s not always, but a lot of times there may be something like Blasto show up, too. So these things are together. So we kinda killed 2 birds with one stone, when we get to the protocol portion of this, but maybe we should talk about like what people would be feeling if they have a yeast problem. I would say like the general, most common symptom that people are gonna have is just fatigue. I was pretty shocked the other day. I had a lady that I would have almost swore and—and placed a large amount of money betting that her adrenals were gonna be low but they showed back almost perfectly great on a salivary panel even, but she had an insane level of candida overgrowth on the organics and then a bunch of mitochondria issues, too. So fatigue would be a big one for yeast and then brain fog. I would say those are number two. What about you in terms of symptoms? Like what other categories people may have issue with?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so yeast can also increase things known as oxalates which can essentially poison the mitochondria or make the mitochondria malfunction. So a lot of people are like, “Oh, my gosh, I’m like super tired.” Their adrenals may look good but when it comes to energy, oxalates can really poison the mitochondria and make the mitochondria function less optimally. So when we look at energy, we kinda have this triangle of energy. We have the adrenals on one side, thyroid on the other, and the mitochondria on the other. So my analogy that I created over the years to explain these complicate concepts to patients in a really easy distinct manner is imagine you’re driving your car. The car in neutral is your thyroid. Typically your average car rest at about 700 to 1,000 RPMs in neutral. That’s like your thyroid. Hypothyroid is low RPMs. Hyper is high RPMs. That’s a neutral. Now we all know if you drive a standard and your car in low RPMs, right? What happens to the car?

Evan Brand:  Yeah, it bogs down.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It can stall out though, right?

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But if it’s relatively higher in RPMs like you’ll see it high in RPMs like when it’s super cold out, right? Because the engine’s trying to get warmer. It goes up maybe to 1300 to 1400 RPMs that’s like hyperthyroid. But imagine that happening on a regular day where it’s not cold out.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So that’s kinda like you’re hypo–hypo—hyper–hypo thyroid and then your body or the car shifting gears from 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th, that’s like adrenal. Those are your adrenals. Healthy adrenals can shift to 2nd to 3rd, and—and 3rd to 4th and also downshift from 4th to 3rd, 2nd to 3rd, 2nd to 1st. That’s analogous to your body being able to adapt to stress, upregulate to deal with stress and downregulate to relax and go into parasympathetics. When you have adrenal dysfunction, it’s like your gears get stuck either in the high gear and you can’t downshift, so you’re wound up all day or you’re stuck in the low gear and you can’t adapt and get your energy ramped up.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So we have the stuck in neutral. It’s the thyroid, the inability to upshift or downshift is the adrenals, and then the mitochondria is nothing more than the fuel in the tank, right? The fuel in the tank. Whether it’s the oil in the engine, with the lubricant and the spark plugs and the gasoline in the tank. All the fluids in the car that make it work and function.

Evan Brand:   So you have to have that, otherwise, it don’t matter what the adrenals are doing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so connecting that back to fungus. I know I go on these little tangents here, bringing it back home, what’s the take home? Well, with fungus you can produce these things, oxalates that can really affect the mitochondria and some of the OAT test or the organic acids test, we’ll look at the oxalates which is a good marker of candida. We’ll look at the D-arabinose, which are metabolites, right? They’re indirect markers of the byproduct or the exhaust of these funguses and then we’ll also look at stool testing to look at, is there st—is there fungus in the actual stool? Whether it’s via culture or whether it’s via DNA, polymerase chain reaction DNA, or we’ll look at it clinically? Do we have a tinea rash? Is there a slight coating on the tongue? Does the woman have a history of yeast infection? Does the guy have jock itch or is there athlete’s foot history? So we’ll look at all those things. If we don’t see candida on a lab test but they have clinical indicators, what do you think trumps, Evan?

Evan Brand:  It’s gotta be the symptoms, I mean we can’t–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Clinical.

Evan Brand:  Treat in a vacuum.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Big time.

Evan Brand:  We can’t treat in a vacuum and some of the other markers, too. Like you talked about the arabinose, I mentioned the tartaric acid, some of these Furan markers like the oxoglutaric marker’s another one. That’ll be real high. So like on the first category of the organics of Great Plains at least; it’s a little bit different Genova—I’ve seen people where their entire numbers 1 through 9 is off the chart so there’s yeast, there’s fungus, it’s all together and then there’s bacterial issues, so it’s—it’s pretty common to have multiple things here. I was just gonna–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%.

Evan Brand:  I was gonna list off some other—some other symptoms. Dr. Mark Hyman, he had an article about hidden fungus infections making people ill. So he listed off some other symptoms and there was things like depression and chemical sensitivities, low immune system function and maybe we can talk about like what contributed to some of this. We talked about the diet but also many people have gone through rounds of antibiotics.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bingo! That’s where I was gonna go next.

Evan Brand:  Yeah. So and then what about—what about steroids, too? How does this affect? Because this is something you’ll see in research that steroid hormone usage could contribute to that but I’m not—I don’t know the mechanism. How—how that actually happens.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A two-fold mechanism when it comes to steroids. Number one, steroids increase blood sugar because when you take a synthetic steroid like prednisone which is typically 10x the strength of like—of a corticosteroid like cortisone or corticosteroid cream or even like Cortef, right? That’s like your natural cortisol. This is like synthetic at a much higher level and one of the big risk factors that we see with like prednisone over time is diabetes. We also see adrenal failure because it stops the internal production because it’s so high, it’s like the equivalent of being on steroids and a man having his—his testicle shrink. Alright.

Evan Brand:  Oh, man.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So it’s the equi—the equivalent of that. So number one, adrenal shutdown. Number two, that affects the immune system. Number three, it’s incredibly catabolic on the tissue, right? Osteoporosis, the big risk factor with long-term prednisone. Number four, it ups blood sugar. Go Google prednisone and diabetes, right? When you have corticosteroids that are glucocorticosteroids, the first part of that word is gluco– pertaining to blood glucose and when it take it a very pharmaceutical level that is prednisone, you’re gonna up your blood sugar.

Evan Brand:  That’s amazing. So people are going on these steroids for whatever infection or whatever issue they had and then they get diabetes and then they go on all these other meds. That’s insane to see the cascade again.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s vicious cycle.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Because then what happens is, I had a patient just yesterday put on prednisone 50mg. Doctor pulled her off and then boom! She felt like crap for 6 months because her adrenals were just turned off.

Evan Brand:  So they basically just downregulate and the body thinks it’s stupid, “Oh, I don’t need to make hormones.” There they are. Is that—is that how it happens?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, it’s like the guy on D-ball coming off and doesn’t cycle down and there’s testicles the size of raisins and they can’t come, you know, they can’t rise to the occasion with the LH from the brain saying make some testosterone. There’s just too small.

Evan Brand:  Oh, my gosh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So–

Evan Brand:  That’s amazing. So basically, limit antibiotics.  Limit steroids and hormones unless they’re absolutely necessary.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I mean, if you needed like a steroid for like something very, very specific ideally get to the root cause, support the adrenals first, and if it’s absolutely necessary, the more specific you can get, keep it at the natural cortisol level because that’s at least more natural and then if it’s like on a skin area like do it topically right there. Don’t take it systemically, right?

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So try to always address those things and bigger, is get to the root cause of why your body can’t regulate the inflammation in the first place. So getting back to—because everything is so connected. So when we talk about one thing, it’s like hitting a spider’s web. It—the whole thing shakes.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So it’s so easy for us to get into other parts of the web, but how those corticosteroid and those meds affect fungus, it suppresses the immune system, number one, which then affects IgA which is important for kinda keeping those things in order, right? And then number two, it also drives blood sugar upward which then could feed more of these critters.

Evan Brand:  Wow. It makes sense. So you talked about repopulating the gut coming in with the probiotics. We talked about the diet that doesn’t feed the yeast and then we talked about watching out for antibiotic steroids, and then you talked about treatment a little bit using anti-fungal herbs if necessary, and then the last piece I would say is the environmental molds and fungus that people are exposed to where which believe it or not, my wife and I we got some Tempur-Pedic pillows and we had them and we loved them, and I guess we slobbered all over them or something, but we flipped over the pillows and on the bottom side of the pillows was a ton of mold that had grown. So needless to say, we trashed them. So who knows if we were waking up a little bit congested due to—due to that mold and getting exposed to it there. So whether it’s in the walls or in your pillow, I mean it’s something to consider. Your—your household exposure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly, so good air filters, you know, opening the window if you can. They’ve done studies, more fungus inside than outside, so keeping the air as open. Using a good quality air filter. I have one on my website I use by Advanced Air, very good. And then one other—a couple other things is the antibiotic use drives it because you get this rebound overgrowth, right? You create a vacuum when you’re knock out all the—the crud in your gut with antibiotics that are indiscriminate, fungus tends to grow naturally, right? Weeds always tend to grow naturally number one. And then number two, women on birth control pills. That’s gonna alkalize the urinary tract and increase chance of yeast infections, and yes, I said alkalize. A lot of people don’t realize that birth control pills are alkalizing to the urine tract and that’s actually not a good thing, alright.

Evan Brand:  You want it to be slightly acidic, you’re saying.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I mean look at, let’s say a beneficial probiotic called acidophilus. You know what acidophilus means?

Evan Brand:  I don’t.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It means, acid-loving. Wait, a minute!

Evan Brand:  Ahhh!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I thought acid’s bad! How does that work?

Evan Brand:  That’s funny!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? And then wait a minute, people—they have all these stories and anecdotes of apple cider vinegar being really good for you, right?

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Because that’s acetic acid.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? And then, oh, wait. What about vitamin C, isn’t that really good for you? What’s that? Well, that’s ascorbic acid.

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Or–

Evan Brand:  Yeah, you and I are not what—well, maybe—maybe I don’t know. I can’t remember what your thoughts but my thought’s like people drinking tons and tons of extremely alkaline water with these expensive–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Terrible.

Evan Brand:  I’m not even gonna mention the name of the company because I don’t want people to guy buy it. Yeah, so the water system’s that people are buying they’re drinking like 9.5 alkaline water. That’s not good. That can’t be good for the gut. That can’t be helping people that already have low stomach acid levels, that cannot be helping that and potentially making them worse with this whole issue here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Especially if they’re drinking with food. I mean, I’m okay with pinching a little bit of alkalizing minerals in there, maybe a little bit of magnesium or some potassium salts and using it with some natural sea salt; there’s some electrolytes. But remember acidity, especially in the stomach is very important for digestion, and if you put things that are overly alkalizing in the body especially when you’re trying to digest it, where’s the first place it hits once it goes down your throat?

Evan Brand:  It’s gonna hit the alkaline stomach there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, exactly, which is not good. That’s gonna decrease your proteolytic enzymes and that’s gonna affect digestion. So I would say, you’re 100% right, like a Bulletproof kinda diet, which is you know, good meats, good vegetables, not too much sugar. There’s some evidence that fungus can feed on ketones. Chris Kresser has talked about this, but in my opinion with the Standard American Diet and insulin resistance, the real threat is too much sugar not too much fat and ketones.

Evan Brand:  Agreed. Totally agreed.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I mean, you may be able to find a scientific article on that but clinically what are we seeing? And this–

Evan Brand:  Yeah, it’s not that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We’re not seeing that and that may be an issue for some people. I’m not saying it’s not, but I’d say 80-90% it’s the other way around.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And so when I deal with fungal issues, we kinda use like a, you know, a Bulletproof, Doug Kaufmann Anti-fungal, fungal link diet where kinda Paleo-esque, cutting out the higher mycotoxin foods like the nuts, maybe the mushrooms and even the dairy, maybe some butter if you can handle it, and 1-2 servings of lower sugar fruit a day. A lot of people go too low sugar and that actually creates these fungus to go into the cyst or spore-like states where they kinda hibernate and then they don’t—they kinda live, so to speak and then they come back out later on. So a little but bit of sugar in there. Natural sugar can be helpful to kinda keep them bated to the surface.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, let’s spin—I know we only got just a couple of minutes. Let’s spin the last few minutes telling people about a couple of the remedies. Now you and I both have come across people who say, “Oh, I listen to your podcast and then I started trying to do “blank” and then I hit a wall, and then I came to you guys.” Please, if we talk about supplemental options for treatment, don’t just go willy-nilly with it on your own because there has to be a protocol in place. There has to be a specific duration, dosage, timing… like we’re very precise about this stuff so you know, I’m not saying don’t be cheap, but invest in yourself if you think you have this issue because if you just go and take some of the stuff we’ll talk about you could potentially just aggravate these issues and not get yourself better. So if we’re talking like oregano, garlic, berberine, I know there’s a bunch of other herbs that you use, too, that can be really helpful but it’s gotta be in a protocol. It’s not just 1 or 2 little things, let me just throw and—and try it and see what happens.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so overall if we line up our testing, we have like candida antibodies, IgG, IgA, IgM. We have the organic acids testings with the—the tricarballylic acid, the oxalates and the D-arabinitol. We have the fungus in the stool DNA and culture. Those are the big ones off the bat and then from the diet standpoint, kind of a lower carb Paleo-esque, Bulletproof, Anti-fungal kinda diet’s a great starting point. And looking at the treatment side, number one, the fungus may be there from a parasitic infection. I’ll say it one more time. If you’re going after fungus and you’re not getting resolution, I consider fungus to be downstream infection from a parasitic infection or H. pylori. So if you have a deeper infection and it’s not resolving with the typical herbs Evan just recommended, I’ll list them off one more time, berberines, cloves, oil of oregano, Pau d’arco, undecylinic acid, silver—if you’re using a lot of those things and they’re not going away, you gotta look deeper at underlying infections that may be present and this is where working with someone that kinda lines up and looks at the thyroid and the adrenals first and make sure the diet’s in place, looks at the deeper infections and then goes downstream to the fungus, that tends to be best way to fix the problem in general.

Evan Brand:  Well said, and I’m textbook example. I had candida show up with the elevated arabinose on the organic acid and then I had the parasites. So–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bingo!

Evan Brand:  There we go and if I wouldn’t have the stool panel with the organics at the same time, I would have thought, “Oh, I just have a candida problem, maybe the treatment protocol would have been a little less intensive,” and then I would have never got better from parasites. So–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and the last piece is, okay, you got fungus on the skin. You got this tinea versicolor or this fungal rash. How do we do that? Well, number one, we don’t feed it. Number two, we treat internally but number three, we also gotta treat externally and that may be using some topical oil of oregano or melaleuca or tea tree oil. Okay, that could be done on the toenail. In my clinic, we use an herbal foot fungus soak where we soak the feet 5 minutes a night in this antimicrobial soup mixed with apple cider vinegar and that’s helpful, and then we’ll also topically treat the skin with different soaps. One of my—two of my favorite brands are Purely Northwest and Artnaturals. They’re some really good soaps that are excellent and you rub it on area. Let it stay for 1-2 minutes in the shower or go brush your teeth while you’re waiting and then go and rinse it off. Very, very helpful for the topical treatment and again, some of the pharmaceuticals, like ketoconazole or fluconazole, they’re good but they’re also very stressful on the liver. So if you’re doing it, make sure you’re supporting your liver because they really, you know, the Lamisil they put a lot of stress on the liver.

Evan Brand:  Wow. Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Boom!

Evan Brand:  You killed it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, I think we really added some good info in there today. Fungus is a huge issue. I know I see it in my female patients with chronic yeast infections. We see it in people with the chronical fungal infections on the toes especially and remember, Dr. Mark Hyman said it many times before, what are some of the other symptoms connected to fungal overgrowth? IBS, brain fog, fatigues, joint pain, and even can drive some autoimmune conditions such as multiple sclerosis and even chronic fatigue as well.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And it can even drive all of the gut conditions. All of the gut conditions—IBD, IBS, it can be a really driving factor bef—behind all that.

Evan Brand:  Absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, and also Hashimoto’s. The fungus is known to improve or increase antibody or thyroid destruction. So all these things are really a big factor.

Evan Brand:  Wow.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Anything you wanna add there, Evan?

Evan Brand:  I think that’s it. You know, if you suspect it, like we always mention but we can never say enough, get tested. Rule things in, rule things out and go from there. Check out Justin’s site, Justin Health and new design coming you way. It’s gonna be fresh and clean, easier to access the health information that we provide and then you could check out my site, too—Not Just Paleo.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Notjustpaleo.com and if you guys want to thank us right now because we’re dropping awesome knowledge bombs. We’re giving you some anti-fungal brain candy right now, and if you wanna thank us, head over to iTunes or click just below the link if you’re listening on the podcast audio or the YouTube, click below. Click the Review button and we would love an awesome, authentic review and share with one of your friends or family so we could help them, too.

Evan Brand:  Absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Evan, it’s been great, mam. You have an awesome day.

Evan Brand:  Take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bye.

Evan Brand:  Bye.

 

References:
http://www.amymyersmd.com/2015/11/10-signs-you-have-candida-overgrowth-and-what-to-do-about-it/
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/07/23/is-hidden-fungus-making-you-ill/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090123210000330

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