The video introduces revolutionary NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) and EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) methods to overcome anxiety and depression, emphasizing their effectiveness in rapidly creating positive changes by addressing the root causes of negative emotions and thought patterns.
Key Takeaways
Introduction to NLP and EFT
[00:00] Presents NLP and EFT as cutting-edge tools designed to conquer anxiety and depression through fast, profound shifts in emotional state.
[00:15] Emphasizes the rapid effectiveness of these techniques, often producing noticeable changes within minutes.
Understanding the Problem
[00:30] Explains that anxiety and depression typically arise from deeply ingrained subconscious patterns and emotional responses rather than conscious thoughts.
[00:45] Contrasts with traditional therapy—which often takes years—by highlighting NLP and EFT’s ability to work directly at the subconscious level.
How NLP Works
[01:00] Describes NLP as a set of tools for understanding and modifying patterns of thinking and behavior, based on the premise that neurological processes, language, and behavior are interconnected.
[01:15] Involves identifying the brain's specific ” strategies ” to generate feelings like anxiety, then reframing or replacing those strategies.
[01:30] Through reframing perceptions, individuals can create new, empowering mental associations that lead to lasting positive change.
How EFT Works
[01:45] Introduces EFT (or “tapping”) as a method combining ancient Chinese acupressure with modern psychology, tapping on designated meridian points while focusing on a negative emotion.
[02:00] Demonstrates tapping on points such as the top of the head, under the eyes, and collarbone, while voicing acceptance phrases to release emotional blockages.
[02:15] Shows how EFT can quickly neutralize intense negative emotions, offering immediate relief and longer-term resolution by addressing energy disruptions.
Benefits and Effectiveness
[02:30] Stresses that by working directly with the subconscious mind, NLP and EFT bypass many of the limitations of conscious-only therapies.
[02:45] Notes that significant results often occur in far fewer sessions—sometimes a single session—compared to conventional therapy.
[03:00] Concludes with an invitation to schedule a session with Daniel Hill to experience the transformative power of these techniques for yourself.
All times are approximate and based on the video’s progression.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [00:00:00] Hey guys, it's Dr. Justin Marjani. Welcome to the Beyond Wellness Radio podcast. Feel free and head over to justin health.com. We have all of our podcast transcriptions there, as well as video series on different health topics ranging from thyroid to hormones, ketogenic diets, and gluten. While you're there, you can also schedule a consult with myself, Dr.
Jay, and or our colleagues and staff to help dive into any pressing health issues you really wanna get to the root cause on. Again, if you enjoy the podcast, feel free and share the information with friends or family and enjoy the show. And we are live with Dr. Jay in the house with Daniel Hill. Daniel's, a regular podcast guest on the podcast, so excited to dive in.
We're gonna be talking all aspects of N-L-P-E-F-T, different psychological techniques to improve performance, to help with mood related issues, anxiety, depression, PTSD, traumatic stress. So we're gonna dive into all these aspects. Again, we've done a lot of different. Topics, whether it's relationships or dealing with all kinds of other work stressors, family stressors.
So we try [00:01:00] to summarize some of the techniques here today. So if you miss previous podcasts, don't worry about it, but feel free and still go back and look at those. And we'll do some guided techniques here on the show. We wanna be actionable and hand on oriented. So we're gonna dive in. Daniel, welcome to the podcast.
How you doing, man?
Daniel Hill: I'm good. Lovely to be back. You get to speak.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. And you're over in the uk, so you're across the pond, so to speak. And we got a link down below, so if anyone wants to reach out, there'll be a schedule with Daniel Link where if you wanna dive in, you wanna see if Daniel can help you.
He sees patients all over the world like myself. So there'll be that accessibility for you. If you're diving in and you feel like this content really resonates, just click that link down below in the description. All right, Daniel, so let's just take off here a little bit. You've been in this field dealing with patients clinically, what, over 15 years, right?
Daniel Hill: Since 2006.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Can you just briefly, how did you get to this place? It's common that people are into the mental health community, that they go down the conventional psychology, psychiatry, like the mainstream units [00:02:00] of mental health. Tell me about your experience with the mainstream and then how you got to where you're at now.
Daniel Hill: So I was guided to do it because I went down the conventional route. I took antidepressants. I think in my teenage years I've struggled with autoimmune disease in a massive way in from the age of 16. Nobody was really giving me any answers. I just went down, I dunno, I did a bit of everything because I was looking for an answer and it took a hell of a lot of.
Reflection for me to begin to accept that there was a psychological and an emotional component to what I did. And the only thing that I'd covered up to when I started to train in this in my early thirties, I'm now 50 was counseling. So it was just psychodynamic therapy. So a brilliant psychodynamic therapist but it wasn't going deep enough.
And why was [00:03:00] I still struggling with autoimmune disease and how could I make my life better? And just consciously talking about things wasn't helping. Me to really shift and change. And then I started, it was actually my elder brother started getting into that Anthony Robbins. And I was like, this is weird.
This is very American, for us Brits. And but it was interesting just listening to him talk and then it was he seems to apply this to everything in life as well as health and health was the main thing. That was the thing that I was looking for all of my life to better my health, to better and then it became bettering every aspect of my life.
So I, I was already going to Tai Chi and Qigong at the point of, I dunno, 20, 25 years ago. And my meditation and Tai Chi teacher had studied EFT and I remember I did a smattering of EFT emotional freedom techniques as a tapping technique where you might have seen people tap on their face and their body and they alleviates anxiety.
And then I read a book about a guy, who had [00:04:00] healed autoimmune disease down in London. I live in Birmingham, near the home of Led Zeppelin, not far away from the lead singer. And the drummers buried just at the other side of the town. So I say to American clients, I live in the spiritual home of Led Zeppelin.
But I went down to London, which was a massive thing for me to go down to a different city. I live in a town. And, but this guy's life was mirrored mine. And then I, it was the it was the will and the wish to, to better my life. So I, within a short amount of time after doing an anti Robbins barefoot fire walk I made the decision, what have you not yet done.
That could help you in order to manifest your outcome. And so I went and studied with him in 2006 and seven down on Harley Street, which is one of the most prestigious, what is the most prestigious medical street for private healthcare in the uk on London, in London. And I started my studies down there.
And the course that I did was a master diploma in clinical hypnotherapy, [00:05:00] NLP, neurolinguistic programming, life Coaching and Emotional Freedom Techniques. I did that for 18 months. And it was at a place called the Optima Health Clinic by a guy called Alex Howard. And. Threw myself into it. And before that, I'd done a lot of training anyway in all that I was doing.
As much as I just got a general interest in psychology and bettering yourself, and I was, anything from Anthony Robbins, Bob Proctor, we've shared some of these things like Napoleon Hill, I was just deeply into mindset. And then the, is it the power positive thinking by Norman Vincent Peele?
Just lots and lots of those kind of things. Dennis Waitley, I remember listening to a whole course on him. And there's lots of you'd call them maybe new age. Psychological authors a different take on life. And it just became a passionate thing. I was just like it opened up a complete doorway to life where we begin to see [00:06:00] ourselves as energy and like cellular energy and energy can shift and change.
So it's about working on your vibration. And if you hire your vibration, then that's gonna have a knock on effect on your health.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But then let's hit that other things. So let's hit that, 'cause that term vibration, it sounds a little woo, but I wanna go into that a little bit. Okay.
All right. 'cause we know everything at a molecular level is moving. It's vibrating at some level. Even the solid wood that you see when you look at it under a microscope there, there's. Movement happening, but just talk about that. So when you talk about vibration, what does that specifically mean and what are simple things that we can do to improve our vibration or improve our energy?
Daniel Hill: So what other the things like meditation for example. If you walked into a room of people who've been meditating for quite some time, you might pick up a different feeling in the room. It might be that the fact that they're just not talking. So it's it's unusual that all these people sitting around and not talking.
But meditation, stillness in itself has a higher vibrational energy [00:07:00] field. If you walk, like I still enjoy football. And if I go to the football where people are shouting and angry, or even if they're joyous because the team's doing well, it has a different energy around it. You could watch something on the TV that would be, very violent.
It's gonna have a different vibrational frequency to it. It's gonna have a different vibe we can call it, and then you can be around people that are significantly out of their ego and more in their heart, more present that has a different vibration to it. If you're just talking in terms of feelings of vibrational, you, I'm sure everybody who's who's listening to this has met someone in the past and they, from that a romantic relationship has bloomed.
What was it about the vibe of that person that drew you to them? It's a vibe, right? Something. Yep. So what is it that they were vibrating? What is it? Correct, vibrating happiness joy, kindness [00:08:00] openness, authenticity, all of these things have something in it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think people who are around, people that have high energy, they feel better, being in their presence or people that if you're around someone that has low energy, 'cause energy always tends to go from high to low.
Tends to right. Water tends to flow from high pressure to low pressure. Temperature tends to go from hot to cold. And so when you're around someone that's, we'll call them like vampires, they're stealing your energy. But usually people, if you're, around someone who's moderately close to you, but you have good at good energy, good outlook you're gonna feel more energized.
And vice versa. If you're around someone who's overly tired, you could also feel pulled down as well. So I think people intuitively feel that. So that makes sense. I get that. Alright, so now you're, you've made these switches here. You're away from the conventional cognitive behavioral therapy.
The medication, the covering up of symptoms. I think there is some benefit to just some people who have emotional stress issues, just don't talk about their problems. I think talking about an issue takes it, inside and brings it to light. Now you're talking about it and now maybe you can come up with.
Conscious tools or actions or new [00:09:00] habits to, let's say, address that. So I wanna just address that component where we're talking about it, we're conscious, we're aware we're doing things in the physical world to neutralize that thing. But then also where does the subconscious stress come in? Okay, now you're consciously talking about it, you're aware of it, but where does the subconscious stress where maybe there's an issue and it's not really in the conscious mind, it's more subconscious behind the scenes.
I think people can intuitively relate to that if they have a computer and nothing's open, but the computer's running so freaking slow in the background. Everything's slow. The mouse is laggy. And then you look and you get a virus. And that virus, even though you don't see it on your desktop, but it's still causing the computer to slow.
And I equate most of these subconscious stressors is to like a virus on your hardware, if you will.
Daniel Hill: It's a good analogy. Most people carry an enormous amount. Of viruses, we could say that take up energy and they're gonna be low vibrational. So there's two things we get hit by, which is trauma, but then also something that I call limited belief conditioning.
And the [00:10:00] limited belief conditioning is effectively trauma, but it comes from undigested trauma in, from lineage. So it's like both your parents would've carried that and their parents. And their parents. So it goes back and, why does some families, struggle. I think there's a there was a study with twins and the one, the twins were healthy and the one twin went to stay in the family that had genetic diseases and problems, and the other one didn't.
And the tenancy is gonna be much higher for the twin. Because they're in the environment. That is, genetically poor. We could say for them to manifest that because it's actually the thing that switches genes on and off is the, IS environment. And then we get into the science of epigenetics.
It's those things that we need to work on and ultimately it's about expanding your consciousness. If anything, if I was to say what it is that I do for a living, I transform people's lives by expanding people's consciousness. We tend to [00:11:00] see, feel, and hear in a blinkered way by our conditioning and by trauma.
So what we've known all of our lives dictates how we interact. So the rest of our life, unless we begin to address it. And it's always knowing that you've got to a place where what you are running the program in your head is no longer serving you. It's a limit, it's a limitation, and it's no longer serving you.
So it's addressing that and nipping it in the bud and going through it. So all problems or challenges that we go through, we must go through and we birth a new consciousness. In doing so. In fact, I shared something with the, with a client the other day, and I've been working with him on and off for a while, and I shared with him the hero's journey.
Do you know the hero's journey we talked about before?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. So the hero, if you wanna do a refresh for the listeners, that's great.
Daniel Hill: So the hero's journey is if it's a monolith and it's basically every famous [00:12:00] parable or tale or story, we can use Finding Nemo Dory wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland any of the Shrek movers, we, we start with our hero who's going in life, da dah, da dah, everything's normal.
And suddenly we get a call to adventure in terms of health. It could be we suddenly develop a health issue. And what we start doing then is seeking an answer to overcome the challenge. That's. Descended on us. And ultimately it's a circle and we go through trials and tribulations. And when we come out of all of that, we come with a new consciousness because we've had to go and find within what we felt we had without.
So if you think of what happens at the end of Dorothy and the Tin Man and Scarecrow and the Lion, literally they go to the wizard and they're like, the thing that you that you were searching for is already within you. [00:13:00] And it's the limitation that we have blocks us from that. So we are looking at that and the
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I put it on screen right there if you can see it.
Daniel Hill: Yeah, I can see that. That's from Wikipedia. I think that one. Yeah. Yeah, you can see mental help are coming in just at this first part of that. So if you're going through whatever challenge it is, whether it's,
Health, relationships money the call to adventure is the pain that you experience in the first bit.
There sort of the supernatural aid will be something a little bit out the ordinary will give you an inkling that you need to follow this. It might be somebody says something or it's something like a little bit, maybe without getting too woo, it might be just. It won't resonate with you.
And it's, somebody just said something about something body and it might be how you've got onto this podcast, for example. It might be randomly just come up in your feed. But there's, I think that's the supernatural aid part is literally life opening up for you.
Saying [00:14:00] there's other alternatives. There's another way of thinking and being and operating in the world. And life is conducive to balance and regeneration and rebirth and the expansion of consciousness. Yeah, we moved through the, it doesn't sound very good, right at the bottom at six o'clock 'cause that's Abyss death and rebirth.
That's almost like a bit of a crisis point. But you can see helper, mentor, there's people all around, even right to the, when you come out from this deep unconscious the unknown is the unconscious and known is the conscious. So you take it that what you're doing in that whole sort of. La submerged, two thirds in the unknown is all the unconscious stuff.
This is you rebirthing. This is, yeah. It's like the, what's the par What's the what's the story of the ugly duckling? The ugly duckling keeps thinking is the, I'm the ugly duckling, and eventually the ugly ducking looks into the water and goes, ah, I can see a magnificent swan. That's [00:15:00] who you are.
Yeah. I watched the,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: yeah, I watched the Karate Kid just recently. And you could think of Daniel Russo.
Daniel Hill: The original
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: one,
Daniel Hill: yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, the original. Oh, it's great. Absolutely. And so he's getting bullied. He's getting picked on. He is getting beaten up. Mr. Miyagi, the mentor comes along the way.
Remember the challenges right. Wax on, wax off. He makes him wax the, wax and wash his car. He makes him paint the fence. He makes him sand the deck. So he is going through all these trials and tribulations. He continues to get bullied more and more. And then he's working on his karate skills.
He's getting better, he's mastering all the things Mr. Miyagi tells him. And then he, they have that competition at the end, right? And then remember he does the swan kick to the face, which actually is an illegal kick. You should have lost the competition if you really wanna, go there.
I know, but he won, right? He won Chad Low, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Was if you go watch the Chad
Daniel Hill: McQueen, I think No. Chad McQueen? No. It
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: was. Steve mc,
Daniel Hill: Steve McQueen's son.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. McQueen. Yeah. That may be past,
Daniel Hill: yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, interesting guy. But if go watch the, yeah, I think that was [00:16:00] Zika. Zika is his last name, but he was in Cobra Kai.
So if you go watch Cobra Kai, then it's the sequel, but that's the journey right there. That's the thing that most people, most movies deal with. I think most people's life has some kind of bearing of that. It may not be stretched out over six months or a year, maybe, a decade.
Yeah. But I think that's interesting. Anything else you wanna add to that, Daniel?
Daniel Hill: So it's a, it's whatever you're going through is actually an opportunity. There's a gift within it. Even though it might appear bad, the challenge that you are facing is there for you. It's like the, it's it's like a, it's like a gym and you're gonna go there and go, I can't do that.
I can't overcome that. But the challenge. It's there and it's on your path and to surrender to that and to use it. And through that you will birth a new consciousness and become a new you. And the payoff of that just might be health, relationships money, all those wonderful things that you imagine.[00:17:00]
But you wouldn't be able to manifest them as effortlessly and easily as wonderfully if you hadn't become the person that you were born to be. And I'll say again and I'll say in the in the PC way, the poop that we go through is the manual for tomorrow. So the bad things that come into our life are there for us to use.
And then they are the springboard to the new expanded consciousness that we wish to see within our mindset. And that is ultimately I think not just within this own inner world. It's within the world of entire. So we can look at the entire world and go, it's, there's a lot of. Discombobulation a lot of conflict and there's a lot of challenge.
But actually within all of that, we are constantly rebirthing a new consciousness all of the time. All of the time. And it never ends. It's like a it's cyclical. Yeah. It never ends. It's constantly, it's birth, rebirth, birth, rebirth, birth, yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Good points. And so I think the [00:18:00] average person listening they may have some kind of a health issue, right?
And so on the functional medicine side, we're dealing with all the foundational things that your body needs, right? Water, electrolytes, good diets, anti-inflammatory, nutrient density. We're trying to avoid toxins. That's foundational, I believe, because if you don't give the body the raw material that it needs the software that you put into it, which I consider this kind of more software, that hardware, you only can run great software to the point to which that hardware is up to date.
If you ran an iOS. Today what are we on? I iOS 16 or 18? If you ran that on the first iPhone, it just, it couldn't do it right? Because the hardware is gonna be limiting the software. Yeah. And so the first thing is we wanna make sure the hardware is ideal. Good fluid, good nutrients, sleep, so important communicating just being able to communicate thoughts and ideas.
That's important. Now we have the software update. So what are the big kind of software things starting out? Someone's coming in, they're dealing with a trauma, they're, they have chronic anxiety. They may be making some of these foundational changes, but maybe there's something in their past. [00:19:00] What's the first step?
And why don't you just give a quick little three to five minute Hey, this is where we're at, soup to nuts, E-F-T-N-L-P, this is the foundation, and then let's go up from there.
Daniel Hill: So we make a peace list. Write down all the things in your life that are causing you stress right now.
Yeah. That are gonna be from, that's past, that's present, and that's future. So past that is stuff that you know, that you're consciously still carrying. And write it down as a bullet point statement. Everybody can do this right now because it's it can be psychologically purging to do it. ‘Cause you realize what's going on in your head. So write down all the things now. Bullet point statement. Anything to do with family members, anything to do with past relationships, anything to do with bosses, anything to do with friends anything to do with any kind of loss that you haven't fully got over.
Any, anything that's happened to you physically, emotionally, psychologically, even spiritually you might say. So something where you feel a victim. Okay, this work is about becoming a victor and you're using what it is in order to become, [00:20:00] I went through all of that and I've become, I've I still got through regardless.
And write them down just as bullet point statements. This isn't. Counseling and psychotherapy. And we don't need to go and talk about endlessly about, certain family members, but write it down as a bullet point statement. And there might be subtext around that. So if there's something about your father, you write down, never felt loved by my father, and then zero to 10 how true is that statement?
10 being absolutely 100% true, zero. Nothing. And then that makes our work measurable because we can bring that number down. You might then, after a few sessions, if you bring that, let's say it's a 10 outta 10 within the first session, you're going to mute that to the point that I would imagine most of the time and within an hour and a half session, depending on my work with the client that's gonna be down to a six most likely within the first session.
Second session, we're gonna go deeper into it. Up further, we're gonna get it down to what, probably about three and a half. And then there's gonna be various aspects that may come up about that issue, which is, it wasn't the fact that I didn't love, I wasn't loved by [00:21:00] dad. It was the fact that. Something and there'll be a specific around that, which will be he, I dunno, I'm just making this up.
So I didn't feel loved by dad, but actually he had an affair and that was something that was blocked in your mind. And actually it wasn't the affair, it was the fact of. You felt neglected and you felt, let's say, this is a girl. This other new woman was more important than me. And so she learned, the girl learned that I'm not special person and I'm not significant and I'm not important.
And she took that as a limited belief conditioning. It's not, could say it's a trauma. It is, but it's what I still would call limiting belief conditioning. So she enters every single relationship thinking she's not important and she either, depending on her Enneagram type of personality, type of astrology, it, she could then be a people pleaser.
She think if she's that way inclined, if she's a security type, she's then gonna be even more paranoid that someone's gonna leave her. If she's a control type, she's gonna be even more controlling because someone's [00:22:00] gonna potentially threaten her at some point. Also, all of these things are all linked in.
Then we get deeper and deeper into it, all this stuff. Because as you work on things, it's like deforestation. So you begin to you knock that out the park and it's Hey, that all's good. Guess what? A whole nother level underneath there, which was there, and you're like, whoa, what's all this stuff under here?
Rear Didn't even know I was carrying it. You didn't know where you were carrying it because all of the main stuff was on the top. And that's when we start working with our stuff. It becomes easier and easier and easier. Easier. I think it's a bit like, cleaning your patio or whatever, to begin with.
You're gonna give a good once over, if it's really mucky, but then you start doing the really good work and you're getting in the, all the crevices and you, I dunno, you having to do all different other things in order to bring it up to the standard that you would like it. So after we do a peace list and we make more peace on what's, what you're carrying in your head on your past, your present, and your future, we then create a wishlist.
And the wishlist is things that you would like to manifest into [00:23:00] your life because we all get more of what we focus on by placing more attention in what it is that you wish, you're then using your mind rather than have your mind use you and effectively that's as simple as I can say how I work it.
It's not that complex. But it is on a level when you start getting into it, because most people are very much used by their mind rather than have their mind use them
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: a hundred percent. So a couple things I wanted to highlight. So first thing is not being a victim is important. Now, some people may have been victimized, right?
Whether you're a kid and you're parents are mistreating you or doing things that aren't healthy, right? You're a victim. If your friends wrong stabbed you in the back, blindly, you may be a victim. But the question is, the only thing that keeps you from getting what you want is the story you keep telling yourself.
That's a Tony Robbins quote. Yep. And then all, there's another great quote that I have here. It's not what happens to you, but how you react to the matter. And so I look at any trauma in your life, go back, look at it. Think about it. How much does it activate your [00:24:00] sympathetic nervous system? Breathing deep or breathing shallower and shorter heart rate goes up.
More adrenaline, more cortisol, feel anxiety, feel irritated. If you can't talk about, or just even think about that issue in the past, then there's some trauma. Or let's say that sympathetic nervous system should not be going into overdrive. And so we have to change how we react to that situation. And so I think forgiveness is a really important thing.
And I think there's two levels of forgiveness. People do not do a good enough job differentiating this. The first level of forgiveness is, Hey, I forgive you. And I let go of the resentment to whatever that trauma was, and I let go of it. 'cause I do not want to be attached to it. That's number one. But the second level is, hey, that person actually physically came to me and wanted forgiveness.
And I actually let them back into my life. So the first level is you're making peace with the situation so your body can deal with that memory, okay? And not be, go into this sympathetic response and that's for you. [00:25:00] And the next level is whether or not that person comes back into your life and whether they actually ask you for forgiveness.
So step one is more for you, the step two is for them and whether they come back. So I would love to draw that line because people just say, oh, you should just forgive, but what does that mean? And there's multiple levels of forgiveness. I wanna clarify that. And so that's really important because if that's how you let sociopaths.
Back in your life and they continue to hurt you and hurt you because you're not being discerning. You're casting pearls before swine, if you will. And we know biblically that's not good.
Daniel Hill: I think deeper levels from working with people and on mind, own journey, that we go even beyond forgiveness, literally just to acceptance.
So we even go beyond the, even the place of where we are. I forgive you. It's just actually even you even removing the eye from the equation and there's just an acceptance of this is just how it is and how it was Correct. You're not attached to in, in any way. It's, it doesn't have the limitation that it once used to have By your ego.
Yeah. That this shouldn't have happened. [00:26:00] This sh if this hadn't happened, I would've been fine.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I think it's, this is where boundaries come in, right? This is where boundaries come in. Okay. Someone may have wronged you. Let's say I let someone, 4,000, 5,000, whatever amount of money, and they promise to pay it back.
And they didn't. You may say, you know what? I'm gonna forgive it, don't worry. But if they came back the next day and asked for more money, you'd say no. You'd say, absolutely no. That's a boundary, right? We're being discerning, we're putting boundaries up. Good fences, make good neighbors so we don't get walked on.
So now people have been walked on, they have this emotional sting. They, when they go to think about this event or this person, all these sympathetic nervous system responses happen. Walk me through it. I'm the patient, let's create the scenario. Anyone listening can tap along with us? Go ahead, Daniel.
Daniel Hill: Okay. So zero to 10. How high is this in your nervous system? It's a
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: seven.
Daniel Hill: Okay. Give it me as a bullet point statement. What's the issue exactly? Just put it as a bullet state. Let's
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: make something up. My, yep. My boss and I got into a major argument. [00:27:00]
Daniel Hill: Okay. And the subsequent, and
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: it's a work stress.
And when I think about this person, I get really mad. I get really irritated.
Daniel Hill: Okay. So my boss. So my boss tick me off. Okay. All right. And then I would literally be going zero to 10. What did you say it was? Sorry. Seven. Seven. It's not big. But okay. Should we do an example of EFT?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And so what's the level that is healthy?
Is it below five, outta 10? We wanna keep our emotions at that level.
Daniel Hill: The way I was taught, I remember it was three outta 10. And in my experience, I think when you get clients down to like threes I think that's normal really. That means you're in
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: control, you're in control, your emotions.
You think about it, you may have a tiny memory or a sting about it, but you're in control. It's not gonna wreck your day. Yeah, I think it's not gonna change your physiology.
Daniel Hill: No. We had this conversation which was about, if someone has stolen $5,000 from you and it, and we know that it's actually we need to forgive.
When we're forgiving that person, we are we're doing ourselves a favor because actually they've stolen the [00:28:00] 5,000 pounds and they've also stolen our peace. Correct. So by forgiving them, we're actually, we're creating more peace inside of us. So we're triggering the parasympathetic by going into more of a peaceful place.
Except if we go to a complete zero place, are we, will we have a learned our lesson? It's happened to me. I let somebody a thousand pounds and it compromised a relationship. And I rem I, so I went through all of this. I had to go through all of the tapping. What I learned was never lend to friends again.
And he wasn't even asking me for the money. So it was me. I decided, and I, it was a big lesson for me to learn, but sometimes when you're helping people out of these jams, actually you are taking away the thing that they need in order to transform their own consciousness. So by making it easier you potentially, not saying it always is, but potentially can take away the challenge.
So then you miss the opportunity to really grow and expand. And for [00:29:00] example, if let's say I completely forgave my friend, even though he was originally saying he was gonna pay me back and pay me back interest, I went no interest. But he just never paid me back. And it, I just it got deeper and deeper into my psyche.
It was getting me to be awake at night. It wasn't like I was short of a thousand pounds, but it was the fact that this is not. This isn't, it's on the expectations, which is the biggest thing in relationships, and I just wouldn't have treated someone else in that way. Yes. So to get bound down to about a three again, I think, it's like you think about it, think about that issue.
Now it's probably down to a two. It's sad. It's, that's what I feel really, it's a sadness. But equally I needed that for my own life and he would've needed it for his. I think most people when they come and make peace lists and they come to this work that they're tens, nines, and eights. You don't think, you don't get sevens on there really when they're making a peace list.
And if you asked anybody in life, even the people who are just functioning and don't think they need any kind of this work whatsoever, [00:30:00] they're gonna be running tens, some tens, maybe not masses, but there's gonna be some tens, and it will be to do with past, present, or future. That's gonna, if there's no, I'll be very surprised.
Most people will be carrying at least one 10 somewhere, and it might be an issue that they don't ever want to go back to in the past. It might be something in the present that they don't really know how to get over or around. Or it might be a fear in the future.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright, so let's start tapping on keep carry something.
So let's start going through, so let's just take this trauma. I'm at a seven. We can even just pretend we're at a 10, right? Okay. We have this issue, it's a work stress. Or we can go into the example of a money stress. Let's hit it.
Daniel Hill: Okay, so you begin always tap.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so first off, just what's happening physiologically here.
So how can, how I explain people? We have our nervous system, right? People in maybe the energy world, call it chakras, but we know we have nerves throughout our body. We have our central nervous system and our sympathetic nervous system is that fight or flight response. And we have different nerve plexes, whether around glands, right?
Thyroid, pineal, [00:31:00] gland, hypothalamus our gut, and all the nerve plexes there. Our sacral area where a lot of our genital organs are, right. Testicles, ovaries, et cetera. So these plexes, these hormonal systems have lots of nerves, lots of blood flow and energy and nerve inputs running through it. And essentially the more trauma we have, essentially that flow of that nervous system, that sympathetic nervous system is getting too upregulated.
And so we're trying to do different techniques to dampen that response. So when that fight or flight comes back on, which it will, it just won't be at that same threshold. It won't be dumping the adrenaline, dumping the cortisol lowering our sex hormones. It won't be doing that. So we're gonna feel more in control.
Do you wanna add more to that?
Daniel Hill: Yeah. It releases blocked energy in the body. If we look from from a
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: similar acupuncture points that when people do needling, yeah. Yeah. Ar acupressure they're trying to help that flow. That q maybe it stop the flow, it stop blood flow, nervous system energy.
They're allowing that flow to, to flow better, right?
Daniel Hill: Yeah. It's it's helping us just [00:32:00] to create a sense of ease. And the first point we go to is the, what we call the karate chuck point. And this is linked with the lymphatic system. So anywhere on here, take two, three fingers, and you just, you ju you're literally tapping the si, the fleshy point at the side of your hand.
Flashy. Good. Excellent. You just tap here to begin with. The opposite is you could just do the so spot, which is just here. But it has the same effect with the lymphatic system. Sometimes I'll get results when, I'll do sessions with people and they'll just talk. They're just talking.
We're talking for 20 minutes, and we're just tapping here.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I find personally if I'm stressed out over something, I'll just talk to myself about what that issue is while doing these points. Yep. And I just find that just my stress over that matter just comes down.
Even though you didn't solve it, you didn't do anything, it's just helping that nervous system. And I'll put a link to a study in the description. Where they used EFT on patients with different stress and anxiety issues and they measured their heart rate variability. Yeah. Essentially the more variable your heart rate is, the [00:33:00] more parasympathetic tone we have and they saw an improvement in parasympathetic tone compared to the other therapies.
And so that means more parasympathetic means less sympathetic. So that's important because that's how we go anabolic and heal and recover. So that's just one, one point to hammer that even research is coming along to catching up with these things. 'cause with modalities like this, people have known it's worked, but they're like, what's the science?
But we just say, you know what we know it's working, but we'll let the science catch up. And a lot of times the science catches up decades later, but we know intuitively, clinically it works.
Daniel Hill: So one of the things I remember was hyphenate the word disease dis-ease. So another word for that would be unease.
Yes. So what, the more ease that you can create emotionally and psychologically, the more a disesase is gonna find it hard to stay in your body. Correct.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then why though? Because I'm all into the why and I think the reason why is 'cause the more your sympathetic nervous system goes high, the more cortisol we make, the more cortisol we make, the more glucose we're mobilizing [00:34:00] and all these things, cortisol and excess glucose inhibit our immune system.
And so if we take it. Yes, we know that intuitively, but what's happening physiologically, that's what's happening. And then if we can go in and get that parasympathetic more activated, then all these other markers improve, go down and the immune system comes back up too.
Daniel Hill: So I did my training at clinic in London called the Optimum Health Clinic.
'cause I struggled with autoimmune disease chronically for two decades. And I spent so much money and saw so many practitioners, but I wasn't working on, although I'd done counseling, which was a psychological way of working, I hadn't done any of this work, which was going at an emotional level.
And I remember when I was studying down in London and, they said 'cause most of the people there were to do with recovery from autoimmune disease and it was reframed that if you are running away from the saber tooth tiger and you've just eaten the wooly mammoth, the energy doesn't need to go into digesting the [00:35:00] wooly mammoth in your tummy right now because it needs to get away from the saber-tooth tiger.
Most people are running that stress. Yes, the same is for immunological. The cut that you made on your finger this morning. The energy doesn't need to go there right now because it needs to get away. The energy's all going towards getting away from the saber-tooth tiger. Now the saber-tooth tiger Actually.
Even though it does, he doesn't exist or she doesn't exist, we are still running those kind of stress levels. So just think of it in terms of energy. The energy when we're more relaxed is freed up into survival and more into healing and digesting food and all these other things. I do. Cold water bathing.
It takes away all of the energy from my mind and I get this lovely state of stillness because the energy doesn't need to be in my mind, it needs to go around my organs to keep me alive. 'cause suddenly my body goes, ah, we're in freezing cold water. When
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: you jump into a [00:36:00] coal plunge, your brain. It's almost like a force meditation 'cause you are just so focused on where you're at right now.
Yeah. And just getting through that and then your breath. And so people that have a hard time meditating, these are the modalities I recommend jumping into. 'cause it almost forces that meditation on you. Yeah. I did before church y yesterday I did a cold plunge for three minutes and it was wonderful.
It just starts my day off. Wonderfully.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Just think about it as your energy, and this is where, where's the energy going? Running your computer. When we're running too many of the old programs, it starts getting sl sluggish. And the old, the, like Justin was saying, if you start installing a really old program, it just won't even work at all.
It's the hardware. It's too old, right? We need to update and we need to defrag and we need to clean it, and we need to do all these things. So what this is doing is freeing up en that energy, so the energy starting to go towards your healing. So ease, dis-ease. Ease. In fact, if you hyphenated the word, instead of going, oh, I've been diagnosed with a unease.
[00:37:00] As opposed to I being diagnosed with a disease. One of my most specs expensive books in my library is $129 by Dr. Michael j Lincoln and any a type five now passed away, but he just goes into every single illness to the, the nth degree, talking about the dise that's running within your mind the psychological submerged unconscious patterns that are in your mind.
And I love the little play on words. Sorry.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love the little play on words. It makes it, it just sticks,
Daniel Hill: so he, this hyphen
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: knees?
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Yeah. He ri he he talks about the patterns, so the limited belief conditioning. So he goes, this all got started in the highly dysfunctional family where da, dah da.
And so it suddenly from a very young age, you are running this pattern of I need to be in this state of alert or up here on some level. Yeah. And then actually the brilliantly if you look up chronic disease under C I remember him saying that 'cause that's like a. [00:38:00] That's a solution for all of it.
And it, he just says chronic disease, hell no, I won't grow. They are refusing to move forward and ex and expand out of a deep dread of a better future that they can't yet see. So people stick within their consciousness, stick within their own bubble, their own limited conditioning, and they stick with the unpleasant present.
So it's, I think that's the thing. They would rather stay with the unpleasant present, which I like. I like that, that play on words, that they would rather stick with the unpleasant present than take a risk on a better future that they do not yet know. I like that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A couple other play on words. Incurable means curable within incurable.
Curable within, yeah. Or pain. Pay attention inside now. Because the pain is manifesting because you're ignoring the body's needs inside. Neither good one is
Daniel Hill: impossible. You don't, if you don't time possible.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: There you go. Impossible. That's a good one. If you don't listen to your body's whispers, you have to [00:39:00] endure cries.
That kind of goes back to the pay attention inside. Now let listen to what your body's telling you. The more you ignore it, the more pain and symptoms manifest. Go deeper. Get stronger. Let's kind of recap. I want to just, I want to go through the whole process. Start to finish. Someone's tuning in.
Let's just start. All right, so we're starting off with the lymphatic point here, the karate chop point, and that's doing what? And then end. What's our speech? What's our mindset? What's our language look like here?
Daniel Hill: Doesn't have to be, the way that I was taught was that you, you say a setup phrase, but after, nearly two decades of using this, you can just get on in it. Sometimes clients will be afraid of going into it or consciously afraid of going into it, or unconsciously afraid. When you're unconsciously afraid, you just won't even know where to start. So it, the, what the mind does is stick with this place of either we can call it denial or amnesia.
And it's some clients will just go, I don't even remember my childhood. So it was so bad that the unconscious has chosen to develop something called amnesia in highly dysfunctional childhoods. [00:40:00] You've got the possibility of schizophrenia. You're gonna have genetic components there, but it will have triggered you to literally start believing something else because your current reality is so bad that you have to.
Choose something else, but the majority of us you're either gonna consciously know what it is that you need to work on or you won't know. But that's why we start here. It tends to loosen up things just by starting here.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I know a lot of the EFT kind of practitioner stuff, it's, it's usually some kind of an incantation of, even though I'm dealing with this stress I deeply and completely accept myself, I think.
Yeah. I think the first thing is, it's like you're bringing attention to the issue and you're trying to create some level of self-love. I accept myself, I love myself. I can deal with this issue. I, that statement takes away the victim. It starts melting away the victim energy. I think that's part of the what, part of why that's good.
And we talk about an energy that definitely when you go from victim to acceptance or victim to responsibility or accountability, [00:41:00] there's an energy increase there.
Daniel Hill: Some people won't be able to say that. And so some clients have gone, I just can't say that. Can't say it. I say so you used the word instead.
I'm open. So even though I'm mad as hell about my boss and I was gonna swear then, 'cause I Yeah. Clients will swear throughout my sessions. Yeah, sure. Freud started using swear words. 'cause it, it's it's emotionally cathartic in doing so.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Daniel Hill: Even though I am.
Such and such about my boss. I deeply and completely love and accept myself or I'm open to deeply and completely loving and accepting myself.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Daniel Hill: Is that suggesting that you are And it puts you in this place where to love and accept the self is to own the feelings and to move through them.
And what you're doing here, like I've said, the poop that we go through is the manure for tomorrow. So what are we doing effectively with this? We are working in it, we're going into the emotions and we're changing them. It's like getting a pitchfork and a great big pile of poop. And we're airing it. And we're transforming it.
If you kept doing that over and error or less, it'll [00:42:00] be less pungent. It'll be less stinky and it'll be more manageable and eventually it's going to break down and it's going to help you for the transformation of your consciousness. 'cause there's gonna be good stuff in it.
Within it, there's good stuff.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah the manure today have to change the problems that you're dealing with. Today is the fertilizer for tomorrow that allows everything to grow. And become mature and become better.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. And we going into that cycle, evolve. If you look at the hero's journey, it's a cycle, birth, rebirth, birth.
So it's birth and death. Birth and it's all life. It's an endless cycle. Yeah. This is why within Christianity would be, we're talking about end, what do they call it? Eternal life. Yeah. So it's that the opposite. We often think the opposite of. Birth is death. The opposite. The opposite of death is life.
Life and death. Life and death. Life. It's actually birth and death. Birth and death. There's no opposite to life. So life, it will just continue to, right? That's a good point. It's on an endless cycle. So this is why, in Christianity it would be like talking about eternal life because [00:43:00] it's literally never ending.
So by, by transforming things and going through it, we're going, the two phrases that I remember when I was in London, which is in order to heal it, we need to feel it. What we are doing with emotions, we're doing things like EFT, we're feeling them, but we're digesting them while we feel okay. So we are feeling it, truly feeling it in our body, feeling it in our heart, feeling it in our mind.
We are feeling it, staying with it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And if someone's coming in and they're having a hard time even talking about the acceptance. This is where it's good for someone to bring on a practitioner or someone's really struggling or feeling that emotional release. I think this is where bringing a practitioner can be helpful because it's very common I find to deal with some of these issues and your nervous system tends to shy away from the real painful ones.
I know you've told me in this kind of line of work, you don't have to go after every issues, but it's like in bowling there are some issues that it's like the front pin, if you knock the front pin down, all the other [00:44:00] pins come down behind it. And I think it's easy for us to say let's just get that ninth or 10 pin off to the left or right.
Let's just try to nibble around the edges. And a lot of times if you just go after that front pin, which could be the hardest to go after, 'cause your subconscious can put all kinds of walls around stuff. We may wanna ignore that. And that's where I think bringing a practitioner in to really figure that out and go at it and help navigate you through it when these emotions are coming up, can be very helpful.
Daniel Hill: I did a lot of five session packages back in the day when I first started. You'd be amazed what you could achieve in, five sessions with clients. Totally. And I sometimes would have clients come and they'd say, I've looked you up and I'm interested in what you do, but I'm working with a psychotherapist at the moment.
I go, I get, what, how many years have you been working with 'em? About three years. Have we got far? Not really. And I, so they come see me for five sessions and then carry on with their psychotherapy and I'll be okay.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I think psychotherapy if you have conscious issues and you're aware of it and you can develop a conscious tool, I have two
Daniel Hill: years up,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Better communication, better stuff.
That's good. But at [00:45:00] some point it's stuff underneath where the emotion comes up and you're just overwhelmed by it. And there's not necessarily a conscious explanation of some of that stuff. Yeah. It just really is under the skin. And that's where these things, I think are important.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. I'm not pooing psychotherapy whatsoever.
Yeah. I had two years of it and I saw a brilliant psychotherapist. She was an NEA type nine, very kind and taught me lots of things and helped me, and that was the right thing at the right time in my twenties. But I knew that I had to go deeper and I wish to go deeper. And then I got interested in hypnosis.
I had my first session of hypnotherapy when I was, I think it was in 2000 I think it was. And it was just fascinating and like how deep can we go? And then I just got interested in anything that was to do with the unconscious or just that helped me to expand my consciousness.
Yeah, Justin will know. I'm hugely into the Enneagram as a transformational tool and it's just 'cause I was guided to go there [00:46:00] and I just took it like, as far as I could. And there's an eight hour audio program that I listened to, 80 times. So I was that obsessed with it. But you've gotta go with where, your gut's telling you to go, where your heart's telling to go and where, life is telling you to go.
Like when I studied I could have studied in Birmingham in the big city next to me. I knew I had to go to London. I can't tell you why. It was just. My inner compass was telling me to go down there. It's what I needed to do. So sometimes, when you're manifesting these things, whether it's health or or anything, or bettering your life, this is opening up to a new sort of world, which is it's it's so deeply unconscious that there's, I mean that the mind has 80 billion to a hundred billion neurons.
Okay? That's a lot of neurons. Okay? The gut has a hundred million neurons. That sounds like a lot. It's a thousandth. If we, let's say that we call this a hundred billion. So the gut has a hundred million, that's what you [00:47:00] need, a thousand, a hundred million. So that's like effectively I say to clients is when you begin to listen to your gut and your intuition, it's like listening to a why sage down there.
With 999 upstairs here in a committee meeting. Yeah. There's one sage that doesn't deviate, that doesn't, change. It's this is what you need to do. This is the, and this is what will happen. And it's hard to listen to that one voice. But if you can quieten the mind, the 999 can all learn meditation and they can learn to chill out a little bit and learn to have a nice country walk and look at beautiful nature.
You'll get an access to that. Why Sage? Within all of us. That's speaking. Then we have 40 thousands in the heart. If that's a thousandth at a hundred million, what's 40,000? This is why. Again, listen to your heart. Follow your heart. Trust your heart. It, there is a percentage down there. It's gonna be T point N [00:48:00] one or something.
But a lot of the work that I do with clients is actually getting into, in contact with other intelligence that resides inside of us. Let's continue this all the time.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's good. Let's go start to finish. Let's go start to finish. So we're coming in here, 'cause normally we're not in this kind of loop for usually this is the starting point with the whole setup of the eef et t.
So let's just take it, start to finish again so the listeners can do it along. Okay. So we're hitting our points. Go ahead.
Daniel Hill: So we're tapping and we're gonna go back to your issue, which is 10 out of 10. And we're gonna say, even though my boss has really ticked me off, we're gonna use the PC word.
He's really ticked me off and I feel angry about that, connecting with the word. I'm open to deeply and completely loving and accept myself. Little, repeat it again. You repeat it three times. We're gonna do it the way that I was talking. So
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: acceptance. Even though I deeply and completely accept myself.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Even though my boss ticked me off,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: even though I have this, I'm really angry about that.
Daniel Hill: I
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: feel this anger, I feel this [00:49:00] emotional stress. Yeah. Yeah.
Daniel Hill: Okay.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I deeply and completely accept myself.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Or
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I'm deeply,
Daniel Hill: completely open to loving and accept myself.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I'm open to it. So essentially address the issue.
Bring the issue to the forefront.
Daniel Hill: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then leave with some kind of open and acceptance. And self-love statement. Yep. That shows you about, you wanna you're opening the door, you're opening the emotional door to fix this. Yes. And you're saying, I deserve it. Yes. I deserve it.
Daniel Hill: Because to love and accept the self is to free up the energy and give it to you.
If your boss has ticked you off, your boss is also taking, robbing your energy now as well. And he's not saying, I want your energy, but you feel he's still robbing you of vital energy. And that energy could go into your own being. Okay, we say that about three times, then we go to the top of the head and we say, okay, this anger about my boss.
And it might be like, we're talking about
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: the issue that this boss anger, this work, anger this,
Daniel Hill: and I'm gonna make something up. So we're gonna say this anger that [00:50:00] he didn't recognize me for doing my a the anger to this anger towards my boss for not believing me. Let's just make that up. You told him the truth, he didn't believe you.
Okay. And he didn't what? I told the truth, he didn't believe me. Okay. And that has all different types of connotations. So we go down here, this anger that he, my boss, did not believe me.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I like to do two points at once if I can. Do you have any thoughts on two points at once? Yeah, so I'll do both sides of the eyebrows.
Daniel Hill: I normally, I norm, I normally do either this way, it's just, might as well take two fingers. You can do
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: this or you can spread the fingers up right at the tip of the eyebrows on each side.
Daniel Hill: So beginning of the eyebrows around here? Yeah. Okay. So there. This is a good PTSD point. It's good with all different types of trauma.
The head is a central meridian, so it basically covers lots of different emotions and different that links to different organs throughout the body side of the eye. It, which we doubt, we'd say again, it's a good one for the [00:51:00] anger. This is a good one for anger and rage. Another good one is the finger for anger.
So this one would be I'm ticked off at my boss 'cause he didn't believe me. He did not believe me. We stay here again. We can do one. I might as well do both. Sometimes you I'll do this, so I'm driving sometimes and I'll just tap on myself. If you can do two go by the power of two.
Okay. Under the eye. We're gonna do it both. Again. I'm angry at my boss. I'm damn well ticked off at my boss. And you can use the uncensored version if you wish. Because he didn't believe me. He did not believe me. I also used a lot of different inflections in how people say things 'cause in language it's like he didn't believe me.
He did not believe me. He did not believe me. He did not believe me. He did not believe me, or he did not believe me. Every single one of those, it's emotions,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: different feelings. It's cathartic in a way. It's cathartic.
Daniel Hill: So you're releasing. Yeah. Become careful with he didn't believe me.
He didn't believe me. He didn't believe me. He didn't believe me. [00:52:00] They all mean something different. So you cover the bases with that. Get playful with it. Top lip. So this is an anxiety point under the eye top lip. This is to do with shame embarrassment. Actually it's embarrassing. It's
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: anxiety here.
Shame, embarrassment right here.
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Embarrassment. They're linked to embarrassment. Where's that linked up? It might be liver, kidney the, they're, I forget now, but they're linked up with organs. And then we go down here. Again, if you're doing it by yourself, you can do two at the same time.
Yeah. Do it this way. Then collarbone about centimeter down roughly from where your collarbone ends. So my collarbone there ends, there's now a little gap here. I'm, I've got my fingers right there on the two little nodules of where my collarbone is. Just a little bit further down there. And if you take four fingers, okay, you can go like this all the way down.
Keep it relatively central. But you're tapping all the way down here. Okay. Some people I see and they're tapping here. Fine. But this is the point. It's just about down here. So you can either do one hand, you can do the other hand, I, if you [00:53:00] take four, you're gonna get it. You're really gonna get it.
And that's another anxiety point. Okay. And then the spleen is under your arm. This is another point. Lower brass strap, almost in line with the nipple. There's my nipple there. That, so you're about here, four fingers. So you're gonna go around here. This is, I do
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: a little, I do a little side karate chop.
Just in like this? Yep. That works. Brilliant.
Daniel Hill: You can do both if you wish. Look a bit like a monkey. You doing Or you could hug
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: yourself too.
Daniel Hill: You could do that way. You could do that way. This one is connected with the spleen and it's connected with the fear of the future. With some clients, if, depending on their issue, I'm just like, okay, if it's a future issue that they're being particularly paranoid over, we go to that reality and we just keep thinking about it while we're tapping here with this particular issue.
There might be a fear that he's gonna say something again. There's a fear that I'm gonna have a confrontation with him. There's a fear that I'm gonna lose my job. There's a fear that he's gonna not give me a reference if I leave the job. You're covering it on some level. Should we go even [00:54:00] further?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Go ahead. What was the next one? Isn't there a liver one? Is there a liver one?
Daniel Hill: You can go the liver. Okay. But the liver point here people who suffer with depression will often have it'll feel painful around here. So it's around here. Again, if for ladies be under the, like the, your, the bra cup would be here and it would just be around there.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. The underwire area. Yeah. It
Daniel Hill: Feels a little bit sore with some people. And yeah, you can tap on that one. That'll help with depression. Help towards depression. Certainly it can free up something and that gets stored within the liver. Then we go to the side of the fingers, we go to the side of the thumb.
Just take one finger. Which side? Take two if you like. Okay. So it doesn't really matter 'cause it's just the side, but the way that I do it, if I'm doing open it up and the side closest to you? Yeah, the closest to me. So you supinate it. You might catch a little bit of the nail and a little bit of thumb at the same time, or the finger as you move through.
Again, you're tapping there. Each one of these is a different correlation with emotions. I forget what the thumb is. I [00:55:00] know that the little one's anger and we skip the fourth, but for just for sake of doing it, do the fourth 'cause we're gonna cover the fourth on this one. So just catch the side of there and while, let's say think about the issue.
So if you're thinking about the boss, thinking about the anger, stay with it also. Regulate things through your breath in as much as you're breathing in healing energy and you're breathing out what you need to let go of. So thinking about letting this go, letting it go. And if you can take a breath into your heart energy at the same time,
so infra four out alpha eight, something like that, or that kind of ratio. There's something that happens within the processing of things by breathing it into the heart energy. Maybe it's a sense of love for the self, but right. Also, we know that it triggers the parasympathetic. Anybody struggling to sleep at night?
You do deep fry, deep diaphragmic breathing for, a minute or two by breathing in, breathe into your heart center. Breathe out. [00:56:00] Same for double the amount of time. Sometimes I'll do four or breathe. Breathe in for four. Count for four, breathe out for eight. It, you begin to release a lot of stress and it does trigger the parasympathetic.
So if you can do that at the same time whilst you're doing these techniques, you all building into the creation of ease. Ease. So that thus we are starting to think about the boss. Let's called him Bob. And we're thinking about Bob. And actually we don't get so angry when we think about Bob start becoming a little bit more rational now, even though we've only even done one.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So now you're checking back in. If I'm at seven. We're every round or two we're saying, where are you at emotionally? Gimme that scale. Yeah,
Daniel Hill: you do. You do about two or three rounds before you'd even bother checking in because you, a couple of rounds, you're not looking for miracles that, just to begin with.
Especially this is rooted in
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: years of trauma or years of this pattern kind of being entrenched that we gotta. Rewrite that pattern.
Daniel Hill: Those clients that come to me that new to all of this, they can be scattered and we gotta, [00:57:00] you keep them direct on one issue at a time. Because what's gonna happen is like the unconscious is gonna go, oh, brilliant, you come to work on me.
Finally, I've been carrying all this stuff for ages, and so those kind of clients can be scattered. So it's oh no. Now I'm really angry at my dad. It's no, let's stay with work. Let's stay with Bob. Let's just knock this one out the bug. And it might be, there's a thing with dad 'cause the unconscious generalizes, distorts and deletes.
So if Bob the boss, Bob, did not believe you actually that correlates dad back to dad because dad has never fully respected you in the way that you've always wished him to respect you. And there's been a carried anger there that you've never been able to make peace on. And it might be that dad has his own issues or it was a misunderstanding, or it might be even people start beginning to feel a bit more compassion for Bob at work because maybe Bob's really stressed.
Maybe Bob's not speaking with his wife. Maybe Bob's got a problem with his child. Maybe Bob's got a health condition that he hasn't disclosed. Maybe a [00:58:00] bother suffers with depression. Maybe a Bob's an alcoholic. Maybe Bob had a really nasty childhood. We're only able to feel like this and have that kind of awareness after we've det traumatized ourself.
We, we start thinking more rational or rationally. Yeah. Okay. So we've done the little finger. Now we're gonna go to the triple warmer nine gamut san and we go okay, so about between centimeter, pinky and ring. Yeah. Pinky and ring. Yeah. Yeah. Between those two fingers. Yep. Yeah. And just go in so you, you can feel where my knuckle is there.
My, this finger's on my knuckle. That finger's there. So we move the whole thing up there roughly about there can you do three
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: fingers like that along the whole piece?
Daniel Hill: I always do. Th I always do two. Two. Okay. Three. I suppose you could do three. I always use two. I feel like I'm getting a bit more accurate there.
More accurate. Yeah. It's a little bit harder to get in there. Sometimes I can just manipulate this point and think about things and just
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Almost can come in, whack it and then rub it to resetting yourself. [00:59:00]
Daniel Hill: Yeah. Whack rub. Yeah. You are gonna get it. You whack rub it, you're gonna get that point there.
So this is it's a hard, once you
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. You can anchor your elbow against your side, so then you're always in the same spot.
Daniel Hill: Okay.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Versus if I always,
Daniel Hill: I can get, if you put it on your lap, you're gonna be able to get it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. You get it. Exactly. And if you look at it too, when you do it.
Yeah, it's much easier
Daniel Hill: if you get your finger actually in there and press it a little bit. It will get a little bit painful. You'll know too far up here. You've got nothing fleshy there, too far down here. You're too near the knuckles, so it's in between that point and that point there, and it will just feel a little bit fleshy.
Take a deep breath in.
And release and let go. Okay. Now we're gonna do some things to exercise your brain. So we are now going to exercise the left hand side and right hand side brain hemispheres. So how do we do that? We're gonna count and we're gonna hum We count because that's the logical that brain left hand side of the brain hemisphere.
Yeah. And we're going to [01:00:00] hum because that creative right hand side of the brain hemisphere
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: music sound right? Yeah.
Daniel Hill: Light up the brain like a Christmas tree.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we're going
Daniel Hill: back and forth. Yeah. We're also, we're going to move your eyes because this is also linked with your unconscious mind because most people will check for the past.
Up the here. Okay. Past is visual, then auditory. And then over here is creative. This side is most usually creative. So if you're thinking about something from the past or the future by going and accessing your past and your future, you're knocking all out the park as much as possible.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Quick question for you.
I just noticed that I was yawning. Talk a little bit about yawning and what that means.
Daniel Hill: So yawning is a really good sign. Doesn't mean that you're bored when you're working with me. I just worked with someone earlier and though she'd only just got up in the morning, she yawned her head off the virtually the entire session.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I'm doing a lot of yawning right now myself. Yeah. I'm like, wow. I feel like I
Daniel Hill: usually do. I usually do, but I'm doing it and I'm being interviewed and I'm [01:01:00] not yawning right now. Yeah. The yawning is a way of releasing. Sometimes the tear ducts will open. Sometimes you might even burp.
Flatulence is something that, that can happen as well. So it's a way of just releasing people who've got digestive issues. Might well burp. And it would just be endless burping that's just coming up. It's just a sign of energy releasing and letting go. Your tear ducts can open. You are not crying so often.
Sometimes you can have clients, even myself, you just have your tears are streaming again, it's a way of the body releasing. Yeah. The biggest one is yawn. So you, we used to call it like the EFT yawn is a good thing.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Daniel Hill: Yawning is letting energy in. You are. Why do we yawn?
You'll tell me you are the doc. Why do we yawn in general? Why do we yawn? What are we doing?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's a great question. I would say unconscious doing I think there's a releasing of something. I think there's a fatigue aspect and maybe it's a stimulation to the nervous system.
Daniel Hill: But actually we're trying to get more energy to the brain because we're [01:02:00] taking a deeper breath in.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes sense too.
Daniel Hill: Okay. So we're taking, it's also a
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: stretch. You stretch of the jaw. It's kinda yeah. So
Daniel Hill: waking up in the morning. Yeah. So it's really full of fully energizing the system. Yeah. When I used to do athletics, I was an 800 meter runner. I was three seconds off the women's world record at 15 years old.
I would yawn my head off before I would do an event really? And I'd be like, why am I yawning so much? And basically my unconscious knew I was about to push myself to the nth degree in order to run as fast as I could. And it was taking energy in unconsciously, just taking as much energy in, it was almost like you would do it before you do deep sea diving or something.
If you're doing it, snorkeling, it's take those deep breaths in, then you're gonna go in, you're literally oxygen yourself as much.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes sense. Alright, so we're on this pattern, so let's go with the eyes and the singing left brain. Okay, let's do that.
Yeah. So
Daniel Hill: we're yawning. We're yawning. It's all a good sign. We tear ducts are opening. We might be barking, we might be farting. Who knows? It's all good. Then, [01:03:00] okay, so you I would say just keep it simple as much as let's do the eye movements first. Yeah. So you are coming here. Okay. Rotate your eyes all the way, one way as round as possible.
So you look down here and you're going all the way round.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Doesn't matter. Just do both sides. Doesn't matter. Okay. Just both ways.
Daniel Hill: Just make, go around like clock face. Do that a few times.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Left to right to left.
Daniel Hill: All the way round. Yeah. All the way round. Okay. I evolve this further and I use eye movements in different ways as well, particularly with clients where we get a bit stuck.
But just keeping it simple that way. Then we're gonna count and let's just count back from 10 to one simple. 10, 9, 9, 8, 7, 6, 6. 5, 5, 4, 4, 3, 3. 2, 2, 1, 1. Eyes again. Round all the way round. One way round all the way the other way. Hum. Most obvious one. Happy birthday.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We're doing the
Daniel Hill: right brain hemisphere. Sounds a bit [01:04:00] weird when you're going through something that's quite traumatic. Still thinking about Bob. The bus. Okay, now we do the whole thing all over again. Now we've broken that down. Each time you do the whole thing like that probably takes 1, 2, 3, 4.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Let's just do it one more time, just all the way through fast.
Let's go. Excellent.
Daniel Hill: We don't need to go back here. We're already don't need to. So back
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: here. Good? Yeah.
Daniel Hill: Even though I'm still angry at Bob, the bus. Okay, Bob, the bus he didn't let, and that it'd be, you get into specifics. It's corny results that are terrific. You must be specific. Why are you so angry about Bob Bus?
He didn't believe me. And what does that mean? It means that he doesn't respect me. Ah. Bob does not respect. He didn't respect me. He did not respect me. I'm angry. I'm incredibly ticked off 'cause he did not respect family, ticked off. He did not respect me. He did not respect me under the eye. He did not respect me.
He did not respect me. He did not respect
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: me.
Daniel Hill: It might be something else it [01:05:00] might have evolved to. He didn't listen to me. He did not listen to me. He did not listen to me. Do you know what's even deeper for me, Daniel? He did not trust me. I thought we were close. I thought he understood. I thought we had a good, he did not trust me.
He did not trust me. He did not trust me. He did not trust me. Collarbone. He accused me. He accused me. He accused me. He accused me. Deep breath in. He accused me. He accused under the arm. He accused me. He accused me. He accused me. He accused me. He did not respect me. He didn't believe me. Good, excellent. Now we go to side of the thumb.
He didn't respect me. He didn't believe me. He accused me. We do it. We're gonna do the middle one. We do. We do. We don't have to do this finger because we're actually picking it up on this point here, but we do it anyway. [01:06:00] He didn't believe me. We come back here. He didn't believe me. He didn't believe me.
Excellent. All right. Okay. Rotate your eyes all the way one way. Rotate them all the way the other way.
10, 9, 9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3, 3, 2, 1, 1. Okay, we'll just keep it simple like that. Okay. So let's say we've done it another time. Okay. So we've done three rounds of that. And I'd say, okay, ground yourself. Feel your feet on the floor. Feel the chair support you. You're standing. Just feel stood in your energy.
Okay? And just pick up the, have a drink of water. Look outside, look at a picture on the wall. Just change your thinking. Excellent. Alright then. Okay, then. Okay, Marie, how do you feel about Bob now? How do you feel about Bob, your boss? Gimme a zero to 10. Don't have to get into deep content.
Gimme a zero to 10, and there's no way that will still be [01:07:00] exactly the same. Then in the worst case scenario, you're gonna have cracked the tent when 9.5. Or a 9.75, but there's gonna be something with some people, some kind of shift, some pe always a shift. So you're beginning to crack it over because you're
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: addressing it, you're addressing it, you're saying you deserve to, to fix it.
You're expressing love. You are, you're integrating the brain, both sides of the hemispheres while working through the stress, the trauma.
Daniel Hill: Yes. You're beginning to sense it from a different perspective rather than just your ego and just your unconscious. And just as a victim, you begin to have that it's like the blinkers are certainly like this, suddenly like this.
Ultimately we need to go like this, which is, having a full sense of flow with everything, animals you know how animals don't really get traumatized? There's a saying that the only animals that get traumatized are zoo animals and pets. If trauma happens in the animal kingdom, the animal will.
Actually shake off the trauma. And this has [01:08:00] been seen before in the animal kingdom. There's various videos where animals will shake off trauma. Whereas we have s downloaded trauma for thousands upon thousands of years. Maybe as we became more civilized, we sucked it up and it got stuck.
So these techniques help to begin to release trauma. So since Justin's gone away let's do another round if you are, if you're with me. Okay. So whatever the issue is, tap the top of the head. Turn onto something that you know that's going on in your life. Just focus on that. Give it one word. Give it an emotional word.
What is it that you feel? Breathe in. He's back. Okay. We'll quickly do it. We'll go through this. What do you feel? What do you feel? I feel breathe in, pause, release, let go. Now you can just do that. You can, you don't have to do any of the finger points, any of the other movements as well.
Sometimes I'll just tap with clients and we finish on there. [01:09:00] This is like the shortcut, so it's just head. Eyebrow side of the eye, under the eye, nose, top under the nose, chin, collarbone, under the arm. But you can get into the other stuff as well 'cause it begins to get even deeper questions.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's great.
And so what happens if you're dealing with mental, he like mental health things like bipolar or borderline personality disorder. Are those kind of disorders maybe preventing people from finding these modalities? 'cause maybe they're a little bit more numb to the reality of what's happening. Or can these melt some of these other conditions that may be there in the background or at least melt the symptoms of it?
Daniel Hill: Yeah, what's your experience? I think so, but you could either melt the symptoms or, the thing is that modern life likes to put on labels to people. And I, I see, like I've said with like schizophrenia or I've even said with that, it's it's trauma and limited belief conditioning. And I would go as far to say as the same as with bipolar.
Without going into too much depth the bipolar. Clients I have picked up in [01:10:00] the past tend to be Anya type fours or have four wings or seven wings. So there's a, that's really interesting. We don't usually find Anya type nines. This is something, I'm going into a depth here, but certain personalities, there's more of a predisposition to manifesting bipolar.
I've never met at a bipolar or worked with a bipolar client that's in Anya type nine. Doesn't mean that it's not possible, but there's a tendency for some personality types, like Anya type fours are quite deep human beings. There's a great depth to them. Sevens are a little bit deep, but that they're deep in a different kind of way.
They tend to feel that something's missing in life. Sevens of a fear of missing out fours of a fear that just something's missing. But putting that to one side, it's still. Just I sense stuff as trauma and limited belief conditioning. So yeah, you could do this on, you could use these techniques on yourself in order to be able to feel more of a sense of ease.
Again, think about any of those labels. It's all a label [01:11:00] of physical, psychological, or emotional unease. Dis-ease. So now you've got a label. Okay? The more that you can create ease in your life on any single level, the more that's, that label is gonna be. It's like you'll lose if you, if it's like a sticky label, you're beginning to make it really challenging for that sticky label to stick.
'cause it's gonna start to lose its goo a little bit because you're getting into more of a state of being and more of a state of presence, more of a state of ease. And that is on every single level inside of us. And if you go and research anybody who's transformed, and truly transformed, they've been through really hard.
Experiences, and they might have been labeled, with all different types of things. So there's another in component that I'm gonna bring into this, which is something from the NLP world, which is write your recovery story and write your transformational [01:12:00] story. So if we go back into the hero's journey, so if we think about Finding Nemo, okay, finding Nemo, what happens with Nemo?
Nemo gets lost, gets Nemo gets abandoned. Doesn't Nemo have to find his dad or his parents or something? And he goes on this journey anyway, and it's scary. And, but ultimately the end of the story is that Nemo gets, transforms and it's happy ever after. That's what we're looking at. So write your story, even though it might seem absolutely ludicrous, you'll find that people who've been like I, I watched, the Will Smith the pursuit of Happiness, if you remember that video or that film. He's like nearly homeless, like painting stuff and he works so hard, but he has this vision in his mind of becoming a broker at this firm. And he works for free for, I don't know, what is it, month, two months or whatever.
But he's having to, while he is doing all of that, he's sleeping like in a toilet, in a train [01:13:00] station, but he just has this vision. So it's vision and it's it's auditory, it's hearing and it's feeling kinesthetics. So go to your outcome. Even if you are only mass man, manifest 10% of it, 25% of it.
Would it be worth it rather than staying where you are? So write your story, write big, write big. Justin's only got to this place because he once saw it. Same with me. So it's, you write your own story. Just because you are where you are doesn't mean that's where you're gonna finish. This is just the chapter.
What's the next chapter look like? And if you wish to write chapter 10, which is the happy ever after, write that because that's your pull and your motivation to do it. So I'm not forcing but be pulled because the pull of that transformation where it's going to be better is a good energy.
That's why you're getting up every day and doing these techniques. That's why you're looking [01:14:00] after yourself. That's why you're drinking water, eating good food taking supplements. Why are you doing all of this thing? Because you've sensed the outcome. You are in alignment with the outcome.
You've already made the the decision. The word decide comes from the, it's Latin, it comes from cut and off. You're cutting off from the old self. Which no longer serves you. All of the old conditioning, the old software, the old beliefs, the old way of navigating the world, this way of navigating the world is like this.
Hello.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. Wow. Wow. A hundred percent. I love it. Very good. Everyone here listening, hopefully we provided some really good practical information. And again, you can take. The flow that Daniel created here on video. And just take in whatever that sentiment is that you're dealing with and put those lines in.
Put those thoughts, put those emotions in instead, and if that helps you, great. And if you feel like you need to go a little bit deeper, feel free. Daniel sees patients virtually all over the world. There'll be a link [01:15:00] if you wanna dive in and schedule with them. There'll be a link right below if you wanna do that.
You can. And I always recommend work on the health. The health is a foundation. You can consider EFT or NLP. All these modalities sit on top of that foundation. The healthier you are, the stronger everything else works. So if you're not sleeping, not drinking, not hydrating, you're doing too many, you recreational drugs, all those things, create that more weaker foundation.
So get the foundation solid and then everything else will sit on top of that firm foundation better. Anything else? Daniel, you wanna leave the listeners with?
Daniel Hill: Use the word wish rather than want.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love that one.
Daniel Hill: It's on the back of my business card actually. And I when I first started this work I only realized that the other day, and it's of a girl holding this dandelion clock, blowing it. There's no limitations when you're a child making a wish.
The limitations only come when you reach adulthood, which is this blinkered sense. Yeah. So just by using the word wish rather than want is forceful, wish is more powerful. It comes from your heart. The 40,000 neurons here, it might be completely [01:16:00] overpowered by the 80 billion neurons that are saying the committee up here that goes, it's not possible.
This is where you become impossible, is I am possible. All of those correct. So just use the word wish. Wish. This is what I wish. I love it. You, when I hear want magic, I feel. Yeah, go ahead. You become the magic, you become the magician in your own life and your own reality. And this is the magic because it's based around love.
And love is magical. Yes. It's a, it's, you're loving yourself by manifesting your wishes. Yes, I agree. It's very powerful and it's sacred. It's a sacred thing. If you wish to get better health, you make a sacred commitment with yourself and the life, which is, this is what I wish, and I'm not gonna settle for anything less than the best.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And Wish has this manifestation creating something out. Nothing where want, I just think of my little kids coming after to me. I want this, I want that. But when you're wishing for something you're manifesting, you're creating, right? You're going within to create that thing that, that wasn't even [01:17:00] there.
You're using your
Daniel Hill: mind, right? You're using your mind rather than have your mind use you. There's a lovely statement, which is my something along the lines of I think it was Frank Andrews said, your mind cannot possibly understand God, but your heart already knows. Minds were designed to carry out the orders of the heart.
So what you are, then you're communicating here. This is the central thing. This is what you wish. This is your outcome. This is what, how you would like your life to be. And now you're using your mind in order to create that. So it's coming from here. This is the nucleus, this is what's important.
Because when we do things like this, there's a breath in there's an authenticity, and there's an aliveness and a truth to it. This has so much falseness. So what's true? Love it. Love is true. Love is real and true, and we're loving ourself in doing that because it feels expansive, it feels open.
Love it, possibly love it. It opens you to the possibilities.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you. Thanks Daniel. Thank you. [01:18:00] Thanks Daniel for everything. Appreciate it. Guys. If you wanna reach out links and information down below. Hope you guys enjoyed it, and if you guys did and you know any family or friend that could benefit, please feel free and share a link.
All right guys, have a phenomenal day. Take care. Bye Daniel.
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