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Dr. Justin Marchegiani welcomes back Keith Norris, co-founder of the Keto f(x) Summit in today’s podcast. Listen as they share great information about the Keto f(x) Summit and drop some knowledge bombs about ketosis and the ketogenic diet.
Know about the many benefits of having a Ketogenic Diet and find out how this type of diet can help in improving overall health and other conditions like cancer and seizure. Learn about some tweaks that you can make in this diet and explore how it affects thyroid and liver health.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
02:24 Ketogenic diet and Cancer
13:44 Tweaking the Ketogenic Diet
20:11 Ketogenic Diet and Thyroid Issues
22:15 Ketogenic Diet and Liver Health
25:30 Ketogenic Diet and Collagen
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. We have a phenomenal guest back in the flesh. We are live here at YouTube. We got Keith Norris, cofounder of Paleo f(x), also cofounder of the Keto f(x) Summit, which is live now. So if you have not subscribed yet, click below in the description. There will be a link for you. If you’re listening on a podcast as well, just click that link and you’re good. Lots of good knowledge bombs that will be dropped over the next two weeks. The Summit just started yesterday and we got some videos going out daily. So make sure you grab it so you get that drip, drip, drip in the inbox every day. Love it. So, Keith Norris, welcome to the show, man. How are you doing?
Keith Norris: Justin, it’s great to be on, man.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Love it. Well, I was excited to be part of the Summit. I know we chatted uh—last month and my talk will be coming up on February 6. So my listeners, make sure you subscribe so you're ready for my talk next week. And anyone listening to this show right now, give us a big thumbs up, give us a big share. Again, a lot of people don't quite have their arms wrapped around ketosis and ketogenic diet. And this is the best summit that’s gonna bring in all of the experts all across the world to get you some bite-size information so you can start applying this and getting your help better.
Keith Norris: Yeah. There’s a lot of conflicting information out there, Justin. It is you know, I mean, we see this. We see a lot of the information
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. And today, we’re gonna just chat about kinda your top 3 to 5 favorite things that you learned coz you were interviewing all these people. And again, this is not limited to all the other goodies but
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani:
Keith Norris: Yeah. Well, you know, Dom can get to it a hell a lot better than I can.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: I can give you the
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: Though, uhm–Dom and I were at NASA a couple years ago. Uhm— we were at a roundtable and that roundtable discussion was about how to keep astronauts safe and healthy on an extended uh—period in zero gravity conditions. We’re limiting gravity conditions and this is all about sending astronauts to Mars. Uhm— what we currently know right now as we can keep astronauts fairly safe for you know, about a year but they degrade rapidly and even after a year they degrade pretty far.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.
Keith Norris. And why do they degrade?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.
Keith Norris: So how do we prevent that? Uhm, so I was at the uh—I was at that roundtable talking about eccentric exercise.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Dom was talking about using the ketogenic diet to keep us from___. And there's a number of reasons why. Number one is muscle sparing, right? So that's a big plus. But one of the—one of the biggest plus is the fact that it's protected against the onslaught of radiation.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.
Keith Norris: And what a lot of people don’t realize are these astronauts
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really?
Keith Norris: Yes. So uhm—because there is— because they are inundated with so much radiation. With the ketogenic diet, there is actually protective of healthy cells against the onslaught of radiation. And Don obviously goes into the science of all this. I’m not the science guy but he goes into the science of why that works. But the trickle-down effect of that is people who are undergoing radiation treatment for cancer, for instance. So there’s a twofold—there’s a twofold benefit with the ketogenic diet as__for cancer. Number one, if someone's going to radiation treatment, radiation treatment is essentially a corporate bomb of all cells, right? And it just—so there’s colla—there’s a lot of collateral damage during that process of healthy cells. In ketogenic diet it’s very, very protective of these healthy cells.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Let's talk about the—go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead.
Keith Norris: Yup. Also, I’m gonna say that just about every cancer out there feeds off of glucose, right? So if you starve the body of glucose utilizing the ketogenic diet, that's the flipside of that. So that also aids in the treatment of cancers. So it—that was one very, very interesting topic that we discussed.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. And also, neurologically, you know, a lot of the brain cells uhm—you know, they run off of glucose to a certain degree, but as you get more insulin resistant, meaning yourself get more numb to that hormone insulin, then the brain, certain parts of the brain have a problem utilizing that glucose fuel. So getting some of those ketones up can help wake up some of those brain cells that have not been able to access glucose. And also the plaque that forms in the brain from inflammation, the enzyme insulin degrading enzyme is really important cleaner for cleaning up that plaque. And if you're too busy making insulin, then your body is dealing with the metabolism of insulin versus the metabolism of the plaque in your brain. Can you chat— did you go in any of those neurological aspects with Dom, too?
Keith Norris: Yeah. Dom did as well. And uh—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.
Keith Norris: You know I would hate to try to butcher what he will—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Keith Norris: I’ll tell you one thing that's super, super interesting about this. And this would—this comes back to what our plates actually look like when we eat.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: So NASA is very interested in this diet as well because you can't imagine like to send my cell phone into space, that's an astronomical cost.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really?
Keith Norris: Yeah. It's astronomical in the amount of fuel that it requires to send something in an orbit. So if you can cut essentially the amount of uh—food that you're sending up into orbit, that's a massive—a. it’s a space safe and b. it’s
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!
Keith Norris: That’s a massive
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. And then also the fact that ketones have a natural appetite suppression type of effects, so it really hits those satiation signals in the transverse lateral part of the hypothalamus that—that signal satiation, uh— which is great. And we know carbohydrates typically don't have that signal specially refine ones. That's why you know, everyone can go back to their college days with a— maybe ate a whole pizza to themselves or think back to the pringles commercials of the
Keith Norris: Right.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Where it’s once you pop you can't stop, right?
Keith Norris: That’s right. You know, Rob Wolf went into this to a great degree talking about how our food manufacturers manipulate our own wiring or dopamine.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-uhm.
Keith Norris: And you know, our dopamine response to food. Uhm—Evan gives a great example of a—an eating contest, right? So uh— for instance a guy that challenges to eat—I don’t know what it was—it was like—like 8 gallons of ice cream. It was ridiculous.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.
Keith Norris: Well, how did he do that? Because after certain while even with the best tasting ice cream you can imagine, obviously, you're going to get pushback from the body. You’re gonna quit, stop.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Keith Norris: So how did he power through that? He ordered a plate of extra crispy, extra salty fries so he would eat some ice cream, shell a few fries, reset the taster, so to speak. And now he was able to eat more ice cream, right? And food manufacturers know this and they are in business to sell you food and to get you to eat more. So this is how they manipulate the whole fat-sugar-salt to eat. Another example uhm—Doritos came out recently with a—I can't remember what the exact uh—anyway there's— there's different levels of heat in these chips and every—I would bet it is a based on mathematical uh— probability that they have what they call like I don’t know, like an atomic heat.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Uh-hmm.
Keith Norris:.. in the chips. So that—so now it’s is so now it's gamification of eating. So people are eating all these chips, right? And you know, “Hey, I got
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know Rob has also talked about—yeah, that’s phenomenal. I know Rob’s also talked about the—the inflammatory component, too, where you know, you may eat foods that have a higher degree of inflammation whether it’s with their fatty acid profile or because of food uh—allergy components in there. And that can actually increase your sugar levels via cortisol, via stress hormone that could also prevent you from burning fat for fuel
Keith Norris: Yeah. He did. And many people went through the discussion of—so the question being if the ketogenic diet goes off the tracks, where does it go off the tracks? And it’s— when it does go off the tracks, it’s not with the diet itself, it’s with the application. So generally what happens is a type A personality who’s already hard drive in you know, just probably not sleeping well, working too hard yada yada yada too much stress on the body now adapts the ketogenic diet and they’re not gonna ease into it. They’re gonna go full force into it. And what is at result? That's another stress from the body. It’s more cortisol. It’s more disruption in the body and uh—yes, so, you know, people— if it does go off the rails, that's a big portion or a big probability of why it went off the rails.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And that’s the big this is the application component. Coz a lot of people listen to this and you know like, “Well, I don't think that's for me.” Well, here's the thing that I noticed with a lot of people that I work with is number one, if someone's on a higher carb type of you know kick, metabolically their bodies are more of a sugar burner. So as we shift back to being more of a fat burner, they may get a little bit a kickback as it takes a few weeks to kind of Keto- adapt. But what I tell people, even if you feel— even if you feel little bit better with more carbohydrates, think of ketogenic diet as like a spectrum. You're probably going to feel better being 80 to 70, you know, 70-80 90% more in that direction on the ketogenic side. You may not be 100% but just pushing it more in that direction, you can still see benefits. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing, is that true?
Keith Norris: Yeah. Oh, totally. And you see this across the board from the experts talking about it. And I think one of the things, too, that I that I picked up is that nobody has to rush into this, right? Unless you have a condition like epilepsy or—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Keith Norris: We need to shift quickly. But just for body comp, for overall health, we have time to ease into this. It doesn't have to be a punch in the face and you don't have to go through that you know, the severe carb flu and anything like that. You can ease into this. And the other thing is you're not gonna get it
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.
Keith Norris: We just want to take progressive steps, progressive steps, progressive steps. Give yourself some leniency because one of the— one of the things also when you talk to these experts and I've noticed this myself and the people that I’ve trained is whenever you start shipping somebody into the ketogenic diet, they want to subconsciously just because of how we’ve been smacked with the fear of fat.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. I've heard—I’ve heard Dom talk about it and maybe he talked about it in your interview with him, but the ketogenic diet kinda started off 90 to 92%, fat 6-8% protein, 1 to 2% carbohydrate and this is primarily with kids that had epilepsy.
Keith Norris: Uh-hmm.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now one of the things they found is there was an Igf-1deficiency going that low protein for that long period of time. So these kids were like having stunted height things like that. I know Dom I think did posit some research over I want to say Duke where they up the protein to about 20 to 25%. They increase the Igf, which is beneficial to someone that's growing or wants to maintain muscle mass, but they were still able to keep all of those ketogenic benefits. So there’s like that 20 to 25% threshold of protein that seems to be that upper level where you can still keep the benefits. So some people
Keith Norris: And I would say also that uh—you know, so the question came up quite a bit of uhm—ca you do vegan keto?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm. Great question.
Keith Norris: Can you? Obviously, you can. Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: You can do that, but uhm—to rope back into the low protein side of things, there is a danger there, right? So, I mean you know if you're if –if you’re gonna absolutely have no animal products whatsoever, you can pull it off. You can pull
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It sounds familiar.
Keith Norris: Yeah. So, now this is a bodybuilding community, a heavy-duty bodybuilding community that uses the ketogenic diet. And uhm— if you— when you look at their protein intakes, it’s not very high it's about .8 per .8 g per pound of lean body mass, right? So they’re not even taking the full—full body weight. They are looking at lean body mass. And when you— when you run through the calculation, that’s not a whole lot of protein, right? And that's how—that’s how they set their macros. They set it with protein first using the uh—the amount of lean body mass you carry. But still, you know the uh—the old idea that uh bodybuilders need just massive amounts of protein, they've proven that wrong and they’ve proven that wrong for many, many years. He's been in the game for quite a while.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So that’s 8.8g
Keith Norris: Yup. Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s say you’re 200 lbs and let’s say maybe that's 10-15% let’s say 15 to 20% fat. So you're sitting around maybe 160-165 lean and then you do the math on that, that’s what? A 130 g of protein or so a day?
Keith Norris: Yeah. That’s—that’s not a lot compared to traditional bodybuilding requirements.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Keith Norris: They’d probably double that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. So that’s about 4 to 6 ounces of protein three times a day.
Keith Norris: Yup. It’s not a whole lot.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Interesting.
Keith Norris: By body building standards, anyway.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And yourself, how—what are your macros like and how much protein you get in a day? Maybe around 200g, 160?
Keith Norris: Yeah. You know, it fluctuates day-to-day because you know, I'm really—I don't ever measure macros really at this point now.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Keith Norris: I’ve gone through that period. I’ve done my measurements. I kind of know how it how it feels to be in. Yeah. So, uh– I don't know. I know it varies and it varies every day but I can tell you the thumb rules that I use. I always opt for the fattiest cuts possible in my meats.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Keith Norris: So that’s—that's number one. I’m gonna have meat, but it's gonna be the fattiest cut I can, given the option, right? So I find—so just this weekend, I was out. Uhm in a very nice restaurant in San Antonio and uhm—I'm looking through the menu, I’m going, “Okay, how am I gonna navigate this?” I saw a rib eye.
Justin: Oh, love it!
Keith Norris: So I tell the waiter, “I want the fattiest rib eye that the chef can find in the back.” Of course he looks at me like, “Are you crazy?” I’m like, “ I want the fattiest rib eye that you can bring out.” So it’s just uh little tricks like that that you learn along the way. You know, how can I add fat into my intake and uhm where can I do that, where can it taste better. And uh—that’s how I roll. So I’m beyond the uh—beyond the actual measuring. But there is a—there is a place for that. For people just coming into this diet, right? Because I've done this work for years. I mean, it’s just part of who I am. But somebody just coming into this diet is gonna have to do some weighing and measuring and tracking to get—you know, to get a feel for this.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And the way I kinda do it is very similar. I typically tell my patients uhm—a palm to a fist to a full hand of protein per meal. That’s gonna be dependent upon how active you are, how stressed you are lifting weights, etc. Two
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, you know, uhm—just you know, create a high level of anxiety every time you eat doing it that way. You always get your hands right there, right? So it’s easy to see. Keith Norris: That’s what we wanna do. We wanna move as quickly as we can to this being just a very, very, natural diet where you don’t have to think about it. It just—it just is. We want you to be able to end up to the point where you’re—you kinda know. You already go into a restaurant, you kinda know I'm probably gonna have to order à la carte, which I do quite often, right?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Keith Norris: I’ll just order—order stuff à la carte and you just know the questions to ask.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool.
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we got some questions coming in. So, listeners if you’re checking this out, leave us a chat here. We’ll try to answer your question. Just keep it uhm— relevant to ketosis. Uh— someone talks about here, “How do you prevent ketosis from blowing your thyroid?” I’ll grab that one first, then I’ll get your opinion. Number one, some of the early research on ketogenic diets and low thyroid used a lot of polyunsaturated fats. So we gotta be careful with those because polyunsaturated fats, if heated, can usually oxidize and rancidify. Uhm—fish oils, those kind of things. So if we’re eating whole fish, that's fine. But if we’re adding in good high-quality saturated fats, uhm—they’re much more heat stable, less chance of oxidation. And a lot of people I find have thyroid issues because of insulin resistance. So if you have a thyroid conversion issue or excess inflammation because of insulin resistance, a ketogenic diet can significantly help that. There are small percent of the population that may have lower thyroid symptoms as they go more ketogenic. We typically can see them coz they are already leaner, but that for me, that's my default starting point is a lower carb in that ketogenic spectrum. And then if we have issues, we can—we can progress the carbs, operate it and dial it in. Your thoughts, Keith Norris?
Keith Norris: Well, I was just gonna say that Justin, you went into that very discussion.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: And during—during your interview. So I was uh—you know, for the ___, I question, be sure to watch what your interview. Also, be sure to watch uhm—Ross’ interview as well. So L Ross’s with the uh—with the uh—she’s with Mark Sison’s group. Uhm—and uhm—she—I believe she still has__podcast.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, very cool.
Keith Norris: In
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s the question we get a lot about ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting and female hormones and thyroid.
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna refer everyone. Make sure you subscribe down below and get access to that. Coz that talk is gonna be next week. So make sure you sign up so you can get access to it. And then also, another the person writes in, “How important is liver health when doing ketosis? Uhm— my take on it is number one, carbohydrate is gonna be the most you know, excess carbohydrates is gonna be the most damaging thing to the liver primarily fructose. It up regulates these enzymes and the liver called the JMKY enzymes uh—jump for short, very inflammatory. And that’s where we kinda have that non-alcoholics the steato hepatitis. That’s the fatty liver from excess carbs.
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I find ketogenic diet incredibly liver protective as long as we’re trying to eat grass-fed organic, pasteur fed things. The fat can accumulate a lot of toxins so more organic. And then the other question I get all the time I wanted you to take on it is, “Oh,
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because when your kidneys are already weak, your protein, it’s not gonna cause the issue, but it's gonna be a stressor on the liver—on the kidneys to begin with. So, doing super, super low-protein, super high-fat can help with icy liver and kidney function. Your take?
Keith Norris: Yeah. I was just gonna second everything you said. Very protective for those organs and in something that uh— that just hit me when we’re talking about liver, this is completely tangential to that particular question. But, I guess Chris Kresser. Chris Kresser is another speaker in the summit. And I asked him about organ meats and especially liver.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Keith Norris: And his take on that is you know, even with the __raised animals, even in that situation, the liver does not necessarily hold toxins.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Keith Norris: It’s the job of body fat to hold toxins.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Keith Norris: Uhm so, I guess my point is whenever we’re talking about eating especially animal fats, let's try to move. And I know—I know it's not doable for everybody in their situation right now but as soon as you can, start migrating over to humanely raised paster raised animals and try to get out of the whole capital of the confined animal uhm—what the hell is it—something operation— feeding operation—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Feeding operation. Yup. Yup.
Keith Norris: So conventionally raised meats. So, let's try to move towards grass-fed, grass- finished
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% And this question I get a lot. Sam writes in here, but I actually get this intel from someone that spoke at your Paleo f(x) conference last year. So we’ll put a little plug for Paleo f(x) that's coming up the end of April down in Austin. But Jordan Rubin spoke and he talked about the amino acid profile in collagen as having less effective of increasing gluconeogenesis. And that some of the things we worry about when we eat excess protein is some of that convert into sugar and pulling us out of a ketogenic state. What's your take on maybe you know smaller amounts of collagen
Keith Norris: Yup. For that very reason, uh—Michelle generally keeps a
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Keith Norris: And uh—what I do, so that's already pretty collagen heavy because we use a lot of chicken or she does.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Keith Norris: She uses a lot of chicken feet and that but I also add collagen powder to that mix and blend it up. So, yes, uh— for that very reason, I will add extra collagen into my—and so that does account for a good portion of my protein intake.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. Yeah. Well, people are thinking about protein in their head kinda draw a line between like muscle meat protein, organ meat protein—
Keith Norris: Uh-hmm.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani:– and connective tissue ligament tendons high you know in cartilage. So kinda draw that line. So the big thing is that we want very careful of the excess muscle meat.
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That's why you are doing the rib eye where
Keith Norris: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, by the way, quick question for me. This is kind of a selfish question. Who has the best
Keith Norris: Austin—I don't know. I was in San Antonio at the Dominion in San Antonio's where is where I was. Uhm—you know when I'm in Austin, I’m a barbecue guy. And if we’re talking barbecue, I will give you this tip, Justin.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Keith Norris: Go to Freedmen's.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Freedmen’s— awesome.
Keith Norris: Yeah. The bar downtown uh—at some 24th and St. Gabriel I think. Somewhere in that area. It’s a bar but they have an expert uh— grill master there. And the barbecue is just insanely off the chain. So—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, love it.
Keith Norris: So when I’m in Austin, I’m a barbecue guy.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. Here are my top three for Austin: Perry’s downtown on Seventh Street.
Keith Norris: Yes.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The
Keith Norris: Uh-huh.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: __Chavez. And I’d say the Roaring Fork for number three. The Roaring Fork used to have grass-fed steak three years ago. They pulled it off the menu but those are my top three. And if you go to Three Forks, get the Kings Butter. Uh—it is just absolutely—
Keith Norris: Ahh. Nice. Yeah. And if Perry’s had pork chop, whoo—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, Friday that pork chop, man. And too bad, they got a little bit of barley malt glaze in it.
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It's like 0.01% gluten. I’m like, “Dude, you got to figure out a way!”
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I just go there with some activated charcoal and some enzyme DPP 4 enzyme uh to knock it out.
Keith Norris: Right. Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Totally.
Keith Norris: That’s great.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any other last questions, comments, anything else you want to mention here, Keith Norris, about the summit or anything else?
Keith Norris: Man, I would just really, really encourage people to dive into this deal. I mean 20 experts all whose interviews are between an hour an hour and a half. It's just so much knowledge and so much information. And each one of these interviewees is offering
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it.
Keith Norris: After the night, it's going to go up. It’s only gonna go up a little bit. It’s gonna go up to 99. But
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. He went, “Yeah, you indeed.” It was a normal Dom d'Agostino conversation.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely love it. And I subscribed as well. So I'm getting the videos email to myself personally and at my lunch break, I’m firing them up and I’m going through it on because it’s a lot of clinical knowledge. So if you’re a practitioner listening—
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: There’s still phenomenal information for you to be able to apply and as a— as a patient or someone coming that’s __on this, there’s gonna be so much information. It’s gonna be like tricking out of a firehouse but
Keith Norris: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know Rob Wolf does an amazing job and I know uh—Dom does as well. So lots of information, great teachers. And also, I want to plug Paleo (f)x again a lot of these people in this summit are going to be speaking at Paleo (f)x So if you feel a connection with any of the people here, the next best step is to sign up for Paleo(f)x and make a trip down to Austin before it gets hot and see some of these people in person.
Keith Norris: Yeah. Coz it will
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m glad you put the seminar a month earlier this year with Paleo. That's great.
Keith Norris: Yeah. Because even in May, it's starting to get a little steamy here. Yeah. We had to fight the__ to get that April day. But I think we got them –we got them locked in. We’re a big enough event now where we have some __, some muscle behind this. Uh—but yeah, the good thing about
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent.
Keith Norris: that you get from—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We’re gonna put the links below for Paleo(f)x and Keto (f)x. So, if you guys are interested, that's the next logical step. It's a no-brainer. Just subscribe and just get the information first and at least kick tires. And then you’re wanna go the whole 9 yards. Keith Norris, it was awesome having you on the show, man. Uh—
Keith Norris: Absolutely. Take care, Justin.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care, Keith Norris.
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