The brain gut connection -Enteric, sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system – Podcast #39

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Our nervous system is the control center of the body. Healthy nervous system function influences digestion, energy, movement and performance. Many people’s nervous systems are working on over drive as a results causing hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue and leaky gut. Our digestive system has a nervous system unto it’s own called the enteric nervous system. Most people don’t realize that our digestive tract has just as many neurons as our brain and spinal chord. Watch this video to learn more about your nervous system.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Baris Harvey discuss everything you need to know about how the functions of our nervous system and what you can do to keep it working great for overall health and fitness. Find out more in this podcast.

In this episode, we cover:

09:19 Building a robust nervous system

13:00 Sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems

22:25 Applied kinesiology and muscle testing

36:33 Problems with most chiropractors

46:14 Enteric Nervous System

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Baris Harvey:   Welcome to another awesome of Beyond Wellness Radio.  Before we go on today’s show, I want to tell you guys about our newsletter.  So make sure you go BeyondWellnessRadio.com and hit the button that says Sign Up To Newsletter.  By doing this you will never miss out on an episode.  Be the first one to hear it as it’s sent out to your inbox each week.  You guys want even more?  Click on Just In Health link and go straight Dr. Justin’s page and get direct access to Dr. Justin himself.

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How’s it going, Dr. Justin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Baris, it’s going great! I’m actually hooked up to my emWave right now.  It actually has me red turning to blue, so I’m trying to do the whole podcast today in green in coherence in a parasympathetic state as well–

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Talk about here in just a bit.

Baris Harvey:   Yeah, it’s funny when you mentioned that, “Oh, I’m pulling out my emWave,” as soon as you do that naturally, for some reason it turns red.  It’s like it knows it’s being looked at, I’m like, “Wow, you guys are looking at me.”  Same thing happened to me right when I pulled it up.  I’m also doing that, so for people out there who’s wondering what the emWave is, it’s a way to track your heart rate variability and to actually train it so that we can get it in coherence with–so that way the communication with your heart and you brain are communicating appropriately.  So that way, you’ll be thinking with your brain but also thinking with your heart, and following like your true purpose.  So if you guys are having any stress problems.  This is a great tool and Dr. Justin does have the hook up so go to him and he will make sure that you get a nice deal on it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and regarding the emWave, I just kinda wanna make sure people know what’s going on.  So the whole idea of coherence really is that communication between the heart and the brain because they found that 70% of the fibers in the heart are actually the same fibers, the same neurological fibers in the brain.  So there’s a strong connection between the heart and the brain even just beyond an energetic type of spiritual thing, but more even just a scientific, nervous system kinda thing.  And also, when we deal with coherence the whole idea of coherence is basically heart rate variability is a marker of parasympathetic tone, right?  The more parasympathetic, the more rest and digest, the more repairing we do with the less breaking and the less stimulation.  And the whole idea is with heart rate variability is the more uneven your heart beat is, right?  Heart rate and variability, the heart rate is variable from beat to beat.  It’s a great sign of overall health.  The best, most healthiest people, the Navy SEALs and our military and such, they have great, great heart rate variability, so it’s an excellent marker for health and it’s really just the unevenness, right?  The variability between your heartbeats, not having the exact heartbeat at the exact split second, but slight bit of variability from beat to beat.

Baris Harvey:   Yeah.  Like Darwin said, it’s not just about–I know people’s take his words out of context and say you know, survival of the fittest, and not just about being the fittest, it’s about being the most adaptable, right?  And that’s why having a varied heart rate is important.  It keeps your body kind of ready and adaptable, and like you said in the healing parasympathetic state–I don’t think we need any too much extra sympathetic stress, huh, in our society right now.  So trying to do some extra things that are common healing to the body will be so that’s super important especially if you’re type A personality, putting this on and actually getting a reading of feelings, right?  I think it’s kinda hard you can’t necessary measure feelings, but this is like it’s the best tool that I can think of that would do something of that sort that kinda detects your stress before you even notice that you’re stressed out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, yeah.  And one of the things I do to get up in the morning is I activate my sympathetic nervous system.  One of the things I do is I start out, get outta bed, and I do push-ups to failure.

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I start off then with a foundation training series by Eric Goodman, it’s just two minutes where I just go and get my extensors working because we’re just so much in flexion all day.

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And then one of the things I do is I end my shower with about one to two minutes of really, really cold shower.

Baris Harvey:   Oh yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The cold shower basically stimulates my nervous system to adapt and what it does is it just starts stimulating the sympathetic nervous system and here’s a really cool study I have here.  They actually looked at adaptive cold showers as a potential treatment for depression in the journal, Medical Hypotheses.  And I just found–

Baris Harvey:   Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Two to three-minute cold shower had a significant analgesic effect and helps alleviate depression.

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It helped increase beta endorphin levels.  It helped increase noradrenaline levels and increased synaptic release of noradrenaline in the brain so–and it had an antidepressant effect.  So I always start my day with a cold shower and push-ups to failure, and a little bit of foundation work just to get my extensors in because I really wanna have good posture and I wanna be ready to go and then I go downstairs.  I’ll typically then put some coffee on, some butter and MCT coffee in my French press.  While that’s brewing for 4 minutes because I don’t wanna waste time, I put a podcast on while I do a 4-minute Tabata.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And I do that empty stomach because then I’m really tapping into fat, right?  Because I’m exercising on an empty stomach but it’s not so long of a duration of exercise where I’m getting catabolic but it’s just enough to start tapping into fat and to revving up my metabolism 10 to 20% over the next couple days to really just increase my body’s ability to burn fat and also put on muscle.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely.  And so we’re diving into this pretty quick.  People are like, I didn’t even know what the topic is yet.  So today we’re gonna be talking about building a robust nervous system and Dr. Justin is already getting into his daily routine and speaking about your daily routine, what did you have for breakfast today?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, today is kinda my standard Friday.  I know, but it’s kinda the same every Friday.  Collagen, 4 raw eggs, butter-MCT coffee, and then I’m just hyped up right now on adaptogenic herbs.  I feel like adaptogenic herbs should be in everyone’s routine.  The Russians did tons of research, spent tens of millions of dollars on it, immune benefits, stress-modulating benefits, right?  And I think you mentioned the–I wanna say Sigmund Freud, not Freud but–

Baris Harvey:   Darwin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Darwin.  Darwin, yes.  Darwin talked about, you know, survival of the fittest and we really are taking that to adaptation and–

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  These are things that you can put into your body, adaptogenic herbs. It’s right there.  It’s adaptogenic.  It’s helping your immune system, your nervous system adapt.

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Your hormones adapt.  So again, healthy lifestyle, healthy habits, and then healthy supplements to take your body to the next level of adaptation.

Baris Harvey:   Yeah, especially because taking adaptogenic herbs, that’s kinda like the–even if you didn’t know exactly what you’re doing, that’s a good starting point just because it’s not like, “Oh, it’s gonna put it, increase it, or decrease a certain hormone,” because it’s more of a modulator.  It goes in there and says, “Hey, this is out of balance, let me kind of–you need more of this.”  And it’ll crank, you know, the knob this way.  Or it will say, “Hey, you’re overly stressed out, you need less of this.”  And it kinda just modulates it and puts it back into balance.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Baris Harvey:  So, yeah, definitely.  And it’s almost like, like it just–I mean, look at the pictures of some of these like plants and take like a deep look at–especially like, if you look at like some of like reishi mushroom.  You can tell by the way it’s formed, it seems like a pretty imbalanced kind of plant.  It knows what it’s doing.  Plant power, people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely.  Absolutely, I totally agree.

Baris Harvey:   So let’s talk about–anyway, so we started talking about some of the chemical like structures that will help us, when we’re talking about building a robust nervous system.  But we know that, talking about our nervous system, it’s almost like a highway of information, right?  Our nervous system is basically like, like computer wires and if we look at–we’re currently trying to map out the human genome and we know that currently there is no computer that is smarter than our–or has that many connection or neural than our brain does.  Unfortunately, it seems like, you know, many of us today have been fed foods that don’t allow us to really explore our own brain.  I think we should and that’s kind of our goal is to allow people to feel their bodies and their brains at a fuller capacity and with that being said, we know that if there’s an accident on the freeway or there’s construction, it really slows down communication and, you know, I can’t–if I’m supposed to travel to Dr. Justin’s office and he’s down the street.  If there’s a roadblock, I can’t–hey, I can’t deliver the mail to you, right?  So what’s happening if our bones and our posture are out of balance.  What’s happening there?  And let’s talk about how to build our nervous system, you know, by–you said you do the foundational exercises every morning.  Let’s talk about why it’s so important to have a strong posture.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, posture is excellent.  I mean, it’s really important.  Anyone that’s had a few drinks one night and played the game, Jenga, right?

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You know, right?  Just that Jenga table that just like sitting up straight, you can put like a bowling ball.  You could put like, you know, 3 or 4 maybe even 5 45-lb plates when that thing is just straight up and that’s gonna hold.  No problem.

Baris Harvey:   Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You start pulling one or two out, I mean, just like–just breathing on it could knock it over.  So what does that mean?  That means that structure is really, really important to absorbing force.  Force obstructions.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So this is really cool.  So when it comes to structure.  Simple things we can do.  Like Dr. Mercola has talked about this in his new book called Effortless Healing, is having good posture.  So standing, having a standing desk is super, super important.  Actually what I’m gonna do right now is I have a stand desk.  I’m gonna go from seated into a standing position right now.  So if you hear it get a little mechanical on the background, that’s what’s happening.  But I try to stand about three-quarters of my day.  So like–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  5 to 7 hours I am standing, which is absolutely huge for health.  There’s a couple of things, right?  One, we’re activating our extensors.  Our extensors tend to be more parasympathetic, while when we go into that fetal position, it tends to be more sympathetic.  Alright?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So let’s–before we go into posture, let’s break down the nervous system first.  So our nervous system basically is just how our body communicates.  It communicates via nerves.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It also communicates via hormones, and the nerves and the hormones work together.  So in our nervous system, we have our peripheral, right?  These work go to the extremities, right?  Hands, feet, and then it even goes to the organs.  And then we have our central nervous system.  This is like our brain and our spinal cord.  So they tend to communicate together.  So let’s focus on the peripheral.  Now, we have what’s known as our autonomic nervous system.  Our autonomic basically, to substitute autonomic for automatic, meaning you don’t really have much control over it.  It’s automatically happen, like you’re not thinking about breathing, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You’re not thinking about being startled.  You’re not thinking about, you know, having to go to the bathroom typically.  It’s just–it happens, it’s on automatic.  Now, in that automatic, autonomic nervous system, we have sympathetic, the sympathetic nervous system and then we also have the parasympathetic.  So I hate these big words because medicine just uses them to confuse people.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I call it fight or flight and rest and digest, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Fight or flight is the sympathetic.  Fight or flight.  It’s the part of the nervous system that gets activated when you get startled, right?  When you’re either gonna fight, right?  Are you gonna attack or are you gonna run, alright?  So it’s when you get super stressed, you’re in traffic, right?  You’re gritting your teeth.  You may be flipping off the guy next to you, it’s like, that’s the fight or flight.  And then the parasympathetic is when you’re like deep belly breathing, maybe you’re finishing that yoga class and you’re in Shavasana or corpse pose.  Or you’re sitting there–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  In meditation or you’re next to your wife or partner and you’re just like feeling this really great contentment and great connection, that’s the parasympathetic nervous system.  Parasympathetic–

Baris Harvey:  You’re gonna put me back to sleep bringing back yoga’s thing, I was just like, “Uhhh,” at the end of yoga.  I’m falling asleep.  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That’s my favorite pose, corpse pose.  I am the best of that pose.

Baris Harvey:   Exactly.  So parasympathetic is bringing everything inward, right?  Parasympathetic tone takes blood, brings it inward to the organs to nourish, to bring nutrition inward, and also helps with digestion, right?  Parasympathetic is rest and digest.  Blood’s going inward, repairing or increasing DHEA and testosterone and progesterone, or healing.  Where sympathetic is shuttling stress hormone output, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The sympathetic nervous system whips the adrenals into action to make adrenaline or epinephrine, right?  Same thing.   That epinephrine then stimulates cortisol and the job of it is to mobilize sugar so the extremities and the arms can run and fight and flee, where the parasympathetic is driving inward and trying to help repair.  So linking that back to

posture, sympathetic tone is always going into flexion, right?  Tight hip flexors, going into that fetal position, flexing over, that’s the sympathetic.  So trying to go outward by getting your body into extension, opening your chest up, pulling your head back, pulling your shoulder blades back, keeping your external auditory meatus, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Big fancy word again.  Your ear hole–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Ear hole over the middle part of your shoulder, over your hip, over your ankles and your knees.  So just kinda having a really good kinda plum line type of alignment, that’s gonna be really important and got kinda tying the analogy back to Jenga.  When that Jenga is perfectly straight, you can put like 200 pounds on that Jenga piece, it’s not gonna go anywhere.  You pull 1 or 2 out, it’s shifting a little bit forward, just breathing on it will knock it over.  So I’m gonna take a deep breath there, Baris.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Go ahead and talk–

Baris Harvey:  I got a new analogy and I think it’s funny because we were talking about how we make up analogies but isn’t that the point to trick us info–like knowledge is really power and when it’s in a different language sometimes it’s like, it’s like a hieroglyphics, right?  What is the parasympathetic nervous system?  It doesn’t make sense to me, so by connecting with something

we know that make sense to people, it starts to fire off those new neurons and you start to build new knowledge and it connects and it sticks.  So since we’re talking about, you know, developing a robust nervous system, I go, “Hey why not through analogy so that way we can, you know, have some neurogenesis and to create some new connections today, and I thought about a good one.  A way to kind of think of how the nerves and hormones work because they’re both sending information and basically things to do.  You can think of the nerve cells and the connections almost like email or phone call, you know.  Even though Dr. Justin’s in Texas, I can say, “Hey, you know, I need this or this, or hey, we need to get this done, blah blah blah.”  You know, he could do the same thing to me or send me an email and it’s there instantly, right?  I got the connection at the speed of light and/or the speed of techno–whatever the speed it travels.  And then hormones are more like, you know, the postal service where like, for example, I recently got some Zen frames from Dr. Justin and, you know, made a phone call and sent email, “Hey, could connect me and give me a pair of these?  I’ll go ahead and send a payment to you and, you know, put it on an air flight and got it, you know, 2 days later.”  So the nerves fire instantly, whereas the hormones are a little bit more gradual but when they do hit, they do have a strong effect.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.  I mean, they are certain hormones that are fast, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The sympathetic nervous system will stimulate adrenaline, norepinephrine in like split seconds.

Baris Harvey:  Oh yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But cortisol comes to the show minutes later, right?

Baris Harvey:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Cortisol is not a fast one but your adrenaline is super fast, right?

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And then we have like our brain, right?  Our brain has an effect on the parasympathetic.  We have these things called cranial nerves, right?  The big ones there are parasympathetic are 3, 7, 9, and 10.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Don’t really have to worry about it, but again eyes, salivation, right?  So these are really important, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Taking in good sight, seeing good things, chewing, breathing in through the nose, nasal stimulation.  These are all things that are activating the parasympathetic nervous system.  That’s why when you eat, chew your food 30 times or so.  Don’t be anal about it.  Chew your food to about like an oatmeal-like consistency, you know?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  When you walk in nature, look far away.  That stimulation to the eyes is very important.  Lots of studies with long distance viewing while in nature will help alleviate depression, okay?

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Breathing in through the nose will stimulate parasympathetic fibers and put you more in a–into a coherence parasympathetic state.  So these are simple things you can do with the brain.  Now on top of that, we have this really cool nerve called the vagus nerve.  It’s cranial nerve 10.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And the vagus nerve does all kinds of stuff.  It affects the spleen.  It affects the heart and it affects the stomach and the pancreas, and the intestines and this is the nerve they get stimulated when the parasympathetic is really activated.  It affects digestion.  It affects all of your organs.  So that gets shut down when we get into a stressed out state.  So just think when you’re getting stressed out, you’re, you know, cutting off trip to vagus so to speak.  You’re cutting off that vagus nerve.  So if you wanna go to vagus, you really wanna be working on doing things to keep your body in that parasympathetic state, breathing, you know, the emWave, right?  5-second breaths in through the nose, chewing your food really well.  These are all great things that you can do to help get yourself into a parasympathetic state.  And then also, you know, avoid eating inflammatory food.  You’re gonna keep yourself totally locked in a stressed out state if you’re eating food that’s inflaming you day in and day out.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, yeah.  And well, like you said, whereas like the nervous system is working a little bit made quicker and you do have some hormones that work quicker, you know, 2-day express mail, right?  When you have like the foods working on a chemical, like it kinda has a prolonged delay effect, like you eat a food, you know, it takes a couple of minutes then it starts kicking in, like if you eat a jalapeño, like you don’t instantly just sweat but give it a minute or two and it starts to compound and you start to sweat and you start to notice those effects but they do have like a delayed response, too, as you digest it, like it will stay in your system for a couple days depending on whatever the substance is, so if you’re continuously–even if it’s a every other day thing where, you know, you don’t eat a burger every day but you go to McDonalds every other day, well, it’s gonna have a negative effect on your health in your body because you’re still, you know, it’s still lingering so by the time it’s finally–those inflammatory response finally start to end, and like, “Okay, we can relax, you guys.”  It’s like, “Oh, here, he’s eating another burger.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup, exactly.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.  So there are things that you can do to get like to tap into your nervous system.  So I love chiropractic medicine.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Very passionate about it and one of the things that I use is a window into the nervous system is applied kinesiology.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So applied kinesiology is really cool because when we talk about the nervous system, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We talked about the automatic nervous system, right?  The autonomic, well, on the flip side of that is the somatic, okay?

Baris Harvey:  Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And the somatic is just another word for the muscle nervous system.  So I’ll be so much more convenient if they just named it the automatic and the muscle, but yeah–

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I already said, they keep you confused, so don’t understand your body, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So if we can use our muscles as a muscle testing, applied kinesiology muscle testing is a window to how the nervous system is functioning.  So I can come in there and I can test someone’s psoas and get a window into L4, L5, S1 muscles so I can test their shoulder, their deltoid, and get a window into C5.  I can test their tricep and get a window into C7 and vice-versa.  So I can, you know, put force into someone’s muscle and the goal isn’t going to see how strong they are like you’re benching 300 pounds.  I’ve had a gold medalist Olympic athlete said I could literally press down their rectus femoris muscle with one finger.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Now if you would have put that guy in a gym he’d be ridiculously strong and fast but it’s not about that, it’s about applying a set bit of force and seeing how fast they can adapt to that force.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And the slower they adapt, that means the higher risk of injury and also the less ability they’re gonna have, the decreased ability–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  They’re gonna have to generate force as well.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely.  And then so, the terms for that, again you said applied kinesiology and it’s also muscle testing, I know some people get like, get kinda weirded out, like “Oh, how can you muscle test?”  But you mentioned that our muscles are basically just kind of conductors of electricity, right?  Like we have–you yourself have and myself as well have different machines that stimulate these muscles just simply with electricity, and we can show, “Hey, and yeah, they respond to electricity.”  They’re–we are bio-electrical chemical beings.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, exactly.  And we’re doing muscle testing.  This is on a direct link.  It’s a direct muscle test, meaning–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We’re looking at the somatic nervous system, right?  Just google somatic nervous system.  What you’ll find is the branch of the nervous system, the peripheral nervous system, meaning outside at the central nervous system that controls voluntary movements, okay?  We have afferent, right?  Afferent nerves go from the muscle into the spine.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And then we have efferent nerves that go from the spine out to the muscle, so if you move your muscle, right?  You’re using efferent nerves to then stimulate the movement and if someone touches your leg, the interpretation of feeling of that–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Back in your brain that’s going to be more afferent.  Afferent is going up.  Efferent is exiting.  E for exiting, A for entering.

Baris Harvey:  Hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So that’s kind of a good thing.  So we have a direct window into how your nerves are functioning with applied kinesiology.  Now this is different like if you have someone that muscle tests for supplements, that’s getting more into an energetic type of realm–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Where you’re putting maybe a supplement on your chest, that’s getting more energetic because you have to have energy from the bottle go into your, you know, you’re nervous system–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And there is some validity for that for sure but it’s not nearly as scientific as applied kinesiology for the body because we’re looking at the somatic nervous system myotomes directly.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  There’s a direct indication for that.  Now if you wanna test supplementation and even more direct way to do it–

Baris Harvey:  Isn’t it usually under the tongue?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, put it right in the mouth.

Baris Harvey:  Where you hold it for a little bit?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Put it right in the mouth because then it’s hitting your lingual nerves, now that’s direct nervous system test because it’s going into your nerves.  Your nerves to then going from the–let’s see that’s the olfactory and I think the cranial nerve number 5 is taking that up to the brain and it is telling it, “Hey, you know, what’s going on?”  The brain is sensing it and reading it for nutrients or for toxins or whatever and you’ll either get a strong or weak test.  So that’s more of a direct muscle test.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Nervous system-wise when it comes to nutrition.  So if we were talking energetic stuff, that’s not what we’re talking here.  That’s what I call, more indirect.  We’re talking about direct muscle testing.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So when I work with my professional athletes or college athletes or people that are just trying to get better from an injury, we’re going in, we’re testing all their muscles because that gives us a window into their nervous system.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And by getting a window, we see nerves–if we see those muscles aren’t working, we know the communication to those muscles is impaired.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And when we know it’s impaired, there’s a couple of things we can do.  We can apply a specific adjustment to get movement into that joint which will help the communication, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’ll get the nerves communicating so it’ll help that afferent.  It’ll help the communication going in–

Baris Harvey:  And let me cut you off real quick.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  What?  Yeah.

Baris Harvey:  Because I think you brought up a really, really good point that I want to make sure that doesn’t just slide past you real quick.  And this is gonna sound irrelevant right now, but it’s gonna make sense, okay?  So our gut bacteria is a community of cells and different bio-organisms that are basically kind of change how our mood and our body, and they communicate with each other.  The same way when we eat plants, they send a direct message to us or we just animals or–and they could be a good message or bad message.  They can benefit us or negatively affect us by the same way if someone’s diabetic and their foot is numb, they’ve having poor communication.  At the end of the day, we have to remember that all of these processes are just a form of our bodies of–it’s kind of having to have–you have to have some kind of holistic view to fully understand this or even believe what I’m sayin’.  But it’s just a form of our body more as an organization, as an organism, and not just a one static thing and that everything is just trying to get into homeostasis and basically communicate with each other.  So if you have impaired communication on any level and you’re not–the same way if you get a misinterpretation with, you know, your wife or your girlfriend or something like that, you might have an argument and be like, “Oh, well, my phone didn’t receive you call.”  We have a missed call and bam, there’s issues the same way with your body.  So I just want to make sure you that you pointed out like you had a gem in there and you started to talk about like impaired communication.  That’s I think super big, so go ahead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s awesome.  Awesome.  So where chiropractic is phenomenal is that the body, especially the spine and the joints they communicate via movement, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So if that afferent communication isn’t coming in, right?  Is that old adage in programming, crap information in means crap information out.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So if we aren’t getting communication because things aren’t moving properly or because the muscle is shut down because of an adhesion or a trigger point or scar tissue, we’re putting crappy information into the system which is almost kinda guarantee crappy information out.  So as a functional medicine doctor, I apply applied kinesiology as a window into the nervous system and then we can test, “Hey, is it by having them touch certain places on the spine, on the joints, or on the muscle tissue?”  We can see how it gets stronger, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So the body is amazing because if we bring awareness to something, we can actually–

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Get a window into how the body functions.  So if I touch my back, let’s say my psoas muscle is weak.  So if I put my leg out at a 45-degree angle and I press down that shows weak, I could have my patient then touch their lower back where those nerves are and if that strengthens, that’s the body or the nervous system telling me this area wants more input.  It wants more communication and we can provide that by adjusting that joint–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Or if I touch the muscle–if touching the muscle strengthens it, what my nervous system is saying, there’s an adhesion or trigger point.  There’s something in the muscle that’s affecting the communication and we can do a soft tissue technique like ART or myofascial release or Graston technique or a muscle spindle technique and we can reestablish communication to those feedback loops.  So this is like direct science and if any, if every doctor knew about this, we could be preventing injury.  We could have–

Baris Harvey:  Oh, yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Our patients performing so much.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, and that’s our goal.  So slowly we’re surely get our–get this out to the masses because just like we mentioned earlier how it’s just like a highway of communication and you don’t want your muscles to be like LA traffic.  You want a steady flow, you know what I mean, and it’s the same thing.  And then so we’re talking about the muscles in the spinal system and the importance.  I know it’s a big thing with people is like low back problems and even myself, you know, at a younger age I’d gone to a car accident and started like cracking my neck way too much and then so I started developing, you know, bad–and then you know, also school, sitting down most of the day doesn’t help with your posture, but I see a lot of people in the gym wearing like weight belts, you know, so that way they can squat a lot of weight and kinda protect their spine but don’t we naturally have–if it’s strong in a correct position, natural weight belts like our transverse abdominis.  Isn’t that supposed to be our stability right there?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, exactly.  When I was a personal trainer about a decade ago.  We used to see people with weight belts and we would just call them–we didn’t even call them weight belts, we called them TVA inhibitors.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We just called them transverse abdominis inhibitors.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Essentially, your transverse abdominis is like the natural corset that kind of goes around your tummy and basically for your transverse abdominis to work, you have to draw the belly button in.  Now I don’t wanna get too technical but that would actually decompress the spine.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It would actually pull the spine apart because certain muscles and their connection on the spine, it would decompress the spine and actually take weight off the spine and provide more stability to the spine.  Now when you put a weight belt on, the mechanism becomes totally reverse, meaning to activate the weight belt, you have to push your belly button into–

Baris Harvey:  Aww.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A weight belt to make it stronger.  So it becomes the exact opposite of what you would do in normal life.  So if you go and you start lifting weights with the weight belt on, you start telling your brain to push out into the weight belt to get support so then when you’re not wearing a weight belt, guess what happens?

Baris Harvey:  Oh yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You train your nervous system to push out which is actually gonna compress your spine and make your spine more unstable.

 Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.  Yeah, it’s not a good idea to practice with that.  I always say like–the only time I see people that like know to train and like really use that, and you still shouldn’t even need it.  It’s like when their doing like their max and it’s like, okay for extra safety.  But I see some people who do it just like, “Oh, I’m gonna hit the squats.  Where’s the belt?”  It’s like, that’s not just an everyday thing to use.  I think that’s supposed to be used when you’re using like Olympic type or just whenever, like your max and you need extra safety.  But it’s not supposed to be, “Oh, I’m dong squats today.  I need my weight belt.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and then even that, too.  You know, it’s great if that’s what you’re really into but man, if you can’t use your muscles, like if you can’t use your muscles as a kinetic system and you have to have something in their to stabilize you, well–

Baris Harvey:  You probably don’t need to be lifting that much weight.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, because the problem is that muscle, the performance enhancement you’re getting from lifting that weight will never ever translate to the real world.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So it’s like it’s cool because in this little bubble called the gym and that little one rep you do, that’s the only time you’ll really have that strength and that strength will never ever carry over into the real world.  So you’re much better off, in my opinion, training in a way where you can carry as much into the–from the gym into the real world as possible.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.  Because that’s like making your legs super strong and then you’re on in the field or on the court and your leg is strong and as soon as it gets up to the abs, and just like the power just starts to diminish.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Baris Harvey:  The circuit goes out and then your shot is still weak or your–whatever you’re gonna do in your upper body, it doesn’t connect, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, you see people in the gym doing their leg presses like, you know, 10 to 45-pound plate on each thing and it’s like, great, do you see that leg machine?  It’s kinda like, it’s like a 200 or 300-pound machine, there’s a lot of stability in that machine.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Are you gonna strap that machine to you when you go out in your backyard and play catch with your kid?

Baris Harvey:   No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No.  So that strength exists only in a vacuum, you know, called–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The gym on the leg press machine.  No where else will that strength ever, you know, correlate.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Now if you’re a bodybuilder where your job is you wanna just, you know, make muscles look really big, it can be good for hypertrophy, for getting those muscles to grow.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But again you can have nice big muscles and also have functional muscles, too.  So we don’t want, you know, my goal is with my patients is we don’t want big stupid muscles, we want healthy, lean or big smart muscles depending on what you want, depending on your goal.

Baris Harvey:  Exactly, exactly.  And even with that, too, because I know, some people like, they wanna be big and functionally fit, it’s almost like a type of tool that, okay, if you do use it or you have extra weak point, that’s almost like a supplement, right?  Like you can–it’s okay to isolate, but if you’re going to isolate, make sure you integrate after.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Isolate and integrate, yeah, that’s totally fine.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Like, “Hey, you wanna do some bicep curls?”  That’s fine but maybe you should also some things–

Baris Harvey:  Do some pull-ups, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Do some pull-ups as well.  Do some lat pull-downs as well.  Maybe do some kettlebell swings or, you know, some push-ups or, you know, single arm cable presses, you know.  There’s some things you can do that will still help you integrate as well.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, exactly.  Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So I wanna also talk about some of my problems with most chiropractors, too.

Baris Harvey:   Yes, let’s do that, just because I do know–there’s oftentimes people, they wanna seek chiropractic help but they’ve also heard, you know, not the best thing is about it and that’s where you can tell like the grey area and it’s like, you kinda have this, they’re either grey or not.  So let’s talk about what to look out for.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Okay, so there’s a lot of chiropractors out there, they’re, you know, are just gonna throw people into the same adjustment each time, right?  Kinda like a–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Rack ‘em, crack ‘em or in the industry they call it a flying seven, you know–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Where you’re doing the same seven adjustments each time, meaning you do a hip adjustment on one side, 2 sides, you do 2 thoracic adjustments, you do may be a lumbar adjustment, and then 2 cervicals.  So you get about seven adjustment in and they call it a flying seven because you just fly through it.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No a fan of that because there’s absolutely no specificity.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And you get some of these guys that will be like, “Well, I have great stories,” and it’s like, “Yeah, I mean, you know, even a broken clock is right, you know, twice a day.”

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You know?  You’re gonna probably get someone in there and you’re gonna adjust that hip and that’s gonna maybe get that hip flexor turned back on, but it’s much better in my opinion with the patient to be specific, to show them, educate them what’s off, turn it back on again, and again there are some patients I see where it’s more of a soft tissue issue.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Meaning there’s issues in the tissues.  The tissues are creating inflammation and shutting back that afferent, right?  That communication from the muscle to the brain, so it maybe a soft tissue thing that will then allow those muscles to turn back on and remember the muscles move the spine and move the joints.  So if those–if it’s the muscle is the primary issue, there’s no adjustment that will ever get that muscles back on–

Baris Harvey:  Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  If it’s a primary muscle issue.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Okay, so that’s my big concern and then a lot of chiropractors have the mindset of they’re getting up a bone off a nerve and I don’t like that mindset.  I think that’s a very antiquated, about 100 years old–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Kind of philosophy.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But we do know are some chiropractors that we really are getting, you know, nerves unpinched especially when we see–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Disc issues or disc protrusion or disc bulging.  There is definitely the nerve being pinched and you know that because you’re feeling a shooting sensation.  You’re feeling tingling and numbness in the feet because of a nerve issue–

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Or because of stenosis in the spine or the intervertebral foramen, that’s where the nerve–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Leaves the spine.  We can see that and there’s a lot of signals that we’ll see.  We’ll see super weak muscles like can’t hold them up.  We’ll see tingling.  We’ll see issues like that.  In my opinion, based on the research, a lot of the nerve communication issues that are being changed are due to lack of movement, are due to stuckness in the spine and that’s where I think–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:   Chiropractors are helping the nervous system is because they are getting joints that aren’t moving properly to move.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And if they’re using applied kinesiology, they can also get the muscles that aren’t working to be back on as well.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And not even just that, eating gluten.  I have had patients eat gluten and then we test our muscles that were strong and that can get the muscle super weak.  So if you’re eating gluten and then you have your muscles turned off and then you try exercising and then you injure your back and then you injure your disc, now that disc could be pinching the nerve, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So you could have a back problem that could have stemmed originally from a gluten problem–

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Because it’s shutting down the muscles which were shutting down the ability to shock absorb the force in the back which then caused the disc to then hit a nerve.  So it’s very possible that’s happening as well.  So not a fan of the philosophy of bone on nerve, not a fan of the flying seven.  I think it’s better to find a good chiropractor that’s gonna use–I like imbalance technique or neuro target technique.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

 Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  This is a form of applied kinesiology that looks at the nerves by using muscle testing.  A lot of applied kinesiologist, they have their own type of muscle testing.  Those are great ways because you can be really specific and you can see exactly what parts of the nervous system aren’t working and then you can apply the right therapy to get it better.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And that could be soft tissue, it could be an adjustment, it could even be a cranial issue.  Someone that’s bumped their head, if that cranial bone in the skull is not moving, it could shut off something in the lower back.  So we’ll get people that have gotten a car accident, gotten whiplashed and bumped their head, we’ll see maybe their glabella, they have a glabella cranial issue, we’ll adjust the glabella or we’ll adjust the sphenoid and it’s like, “Wow, like everything just starts working again,” because if the skull bone is not working, well, the skull–inside the skull is the brain and the brain affects everything, we can have problems for sure.

Baris Harvey:  All kinds of problems, yes, definitely.  So and like you said, so it’s not just about, you know, just cracking people’s bones or their joints.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No.  No.

Baris Harvey:  But at the same time, you don’t wanna just send people through the same mechanism.  We know that everybody has different issues.  Everybody’s a unique snowflake in their own right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Baris Harvey:  And to make sure that you treat their problem with–but then you’re getting getting direct feedback, rather than just saying like, “Well, I’m just gonna, you know, you’re basically just gambling at that point when you’re saying, “Well, we’re gonna have 10 patients and we’re all going to do this and 2 of them are gonna feel amazing and all the rest are gonna feel, “Okay I feel a little bit better but,” you know, you wanna use a finer tool, be more accurate–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Baris Harvey:  With your diagnoses.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And there’s a branch of chiropractic medicine called chiropractic neurology or functional neurology and that’s cool as well because we can look at, you know, eye pupil dilation.  We can look at whether your hands turn in or out.  We can look at body sway.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-huh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We can look at oxygenation on a pulse ox from one side to the other.  We can look at various reflexes.  We can look at the eye, how the eye is tracking, right?

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We can look at many different things regarding, like pupil dilation, like I said, how the uvula deviates, how the tongue moves from one side to the other.  There’s lots of different things we can do to get a window into the nervous system and in functional neurology, we may do adjustments on one side of the body over the other to stimulate the cortex on one side or to stimulate the cerebellum on another site, or we may give like eye exercises on one side to then support the cortex on the other, or we may have you, you know, count backwards and swing your other arm to stimulate your cerebellum, right?  There’s lots of cool things you can do in conjunction with applied kinesiology that really support and nourish your nervous system.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely, and then when we look at like functional neurology and also things like even bioenergetics and stuff like that and that was I think William Wright who said–under Sigmund Freud wrote about bioenergetics, so I think Alexander Lowen, but it’s funny, too, because you bring up these topics and it’s a little bit more Eastern esoteric for some people to accept and to think about.  But it’s real easy when you just sow a picture of someone slumped over and say, “Hey, what do you think their emotional state is?”  Probably down or depressed and you see someone with their hands up and with a smile, there–it’s probably victory or confidence, right?  And we know that, well, this is the same way, you know, your body affects your mind, your mind affects your body.  In the same way you mentioned, you can actually identify and see your perception through looking at your pupils or your tongue or your body and seeing how fast your body reacts, your reflexes.  How is your body taking in the information from the outside world and actually using it appropriately, are you–because like, for an example, if you’re blind your pupils won’t change at all because you’re not–they’re not receiving any information.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Baris Harvey:  Which, you know, so if you can notice, well, you’re not blind but your pupils they don’t dilate like they could be, well, we know that there’s a problem with the nervous system.  It’s not receiving the outside information and as an athlete as–or even an everyday person, you want to be able to take in information and be able to apply it appropriately so that way, your inner world, your own health, right?  Can appropriately adapt to your environment.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly, I like that and just to give everyone, just kind of a recap of everything that we can have gone over so far.  We have the peripheral nervous system, right?  That’s the outside of the spine and we have the automatic, the autonomic–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-huh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And the somatic or the muscles, and then we talked about the sympathetic, the fight or flight and then the rest and digest.  How stimulating the rest or digest is really good.  Again, I like stimulating the sympathetics in the morning through a good cold shower and some high quality butter and MCT coffee. That’s a really great way, with also having some good nutrients in my breakfast as well–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And there’s one other thing I wanted to address that I don’t think we touched upon, and that’s a whole another branch of the nervous system called the enteric nervous system.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And the enteric nervous system is basically nervous system in your gut.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah,

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s the microbiome in your gut and there’s just as many nerves in our guts than there is in our whole spinal cord.  So this is like really profound because having good bacteria balance has a huge effect on our nervous system and if we’re eating bad foods that signal that inflammation and the skewing of our gut bacteria basically stress in our gut in can create stress in our brain–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And that’s because inflammation is bi-directional.  Okay, big word, I get it.  That means there’s a two-lane highway of communication.  We eat food and crap that makes our tummy stressed.  That stress then goes on the highway back out and affects our brain which can then throw us into a fight or flight or sympathetic state.  So remember every bite of food that you’re taking in is either gonna be driving you into an anti-inflammatory state and/or driving you into an inflammatory state.  And the more inflamed we are, the more we fire up the parasympathetics.  The more the parasympathetics are fired up, the faster we break down–

Baris Harvey:  Sympathetic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup, the more we fire those sympathetics, the faster we break down and the more we shut down those muscles so then we’re gonna be prone to being slower and also getting injured.

 Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm. Definitely.  See those darn big words.  Right, Dr. Justin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I mean, I just–I mean, you gotta break it down and figure out little nicknames or little like abbreviations or little mnemonic device to make it make sense.  If not–

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You’re memorizing silly things.  It’s like mer–it’s like in school we’d memorize the loop of Henle which is like a cerebral vascular loop in the brain or the columns of Morgagni which are like the hemorrhoid veins in the rectum, and like these silly names but–

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, it’s like you gotta make of that.  Yeah, see because even, even professionals slip up and get it wrong sometimes and it’s like, so yeah, it’s definitely, like you said, it’s all about communication, right?  It’s all about communication.  So yeah, it’s–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And it doesn’t matter if you understand the name. It’s–understand the concept.

Baris Harvey:  Concept, yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  If understand the concept, you win.  Knowing the name means crap but if you know the concept and you get that, then you’re on the right track.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And again the enteric nervous system, just to be on the right track here, that’s gonna be part of that that parasympathetic nervous system.  That’s gonna really be part of it.  So the more we have that good enteric nervous system feedback.  That’s gonna drive more parasympathetic and I always tell patients, the bacteria in your gut, good bacteria eats poop and poops nutrition.  Bad bacteria eats nutrition and poops poop.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  In other words good bacteria provide nutrition to your body.  Bad bacteria provide toxins to your body.

Baris Harvey:  You always have to think about it like if your body’s a garden.  You throw in worms in there because it helps and you don’t necessarily feed the flowers, you feed the soil, right?  And you feed the worms and the worms will feed the flowers, and then if you wanna be a beautiful flower, make sure you’re feeding the right worms in your stomach.  Well, let’s say microbiome because if you tell someone they got worms in their stomach, they might not–they might not feel good about that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.  Exactly, Baris.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, do you have any more comments at all?

Baris Harvey:  Uh, no.  We went through a lot of stuff today and I think it was–it was really well-rounded when talking about the scientific aspect of it but also, you know, bringing back some of the traditional medicine and showing how we are able to scientifically measure it.  So again if there are any people or anybody out there that wants more information on this topic, make sure you send a line.  Go to beyondwellness.com/questions and you can also ask your questions–ask your questions there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Good job, Baris.

Baris Harvey:  Thank you.  And then also we would greatly appreciate it if you guys leave us a review.  Leaving us a review on iTunes definitely helps us get this message out there.  Like we mentioned, it’s all a communication and we start to show that it’s, you know, a good show and you guys leave your comments there, we’d greatly appreciate it as it helps us–helps us grow and help us send this message out to other people because there’s a lot of people in this world that need help.  I mean, heck, me and Dr. Justin are constantly on a daily basis just looking for more stuff even for ourselves.  So we’re hoping that this information gets trickled down for everybody.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I agree, Baris, and I just think if anyone listens to this and is a little bit overwhelmed, listen to it twice, but–

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’m gonna just break down the key take home kinda action items right now to kick once.

Baris Harvey:  Yeah, definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Do cold showers in the morning.  Do a 2- to 3-minute cold shower, you know, take your warm shower, like soap up, do all that stuff, get off feeling good.  Soap doesn’t really sud too well when it’s cold, but then end your shower with like a 2- to 3-minute cold shower.  Get up, have a good breakfast, good proteins, work on breathing, you know, that good 3- to 5-second breath in through the nose out, out through the mouth.  That’s gonna activate the parasympathetic fibers.  Do your best to really have an attitude of gratitude, right?  We wanna make sure you’re thinking right.  That’s gonna put you into parasympathetic state.  Chew your food well.  The chewing will really stimulate the incretins and that will stimulate the parasympathetic response.  Do your best to eat food that’s gonna be anti-inflammatory.  And go find a good applied kinesiologist in balance chiropractor that can test your nervous system from a structural perspective and help keep you in balance so you can perform well and prevent injuries.  That’s a good take home right there and feed your gut bacteria.  Good fermented foods, healthy probiotics, avoid all the crappy stuff, and if you have any tummy issues, get checked for an infection because infections will keep stressing that enteric nervous system.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.  Definitely.  Yeah, feed your gut brain so that way, that way you can trust your gut, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That’s it, Baris.

Baris Harvey:  Thank you so much, Dr. Justin for providing such awesome information.   Again for everybody else, make sure you go to beyondwellnessradio.com.  Thank you guys for tuning in.  You guys have an awesome day!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Thanks, Baris.  You, too!

 

 

 

 

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