Autophagy: Anti-Aging, Self-Eating Cells!

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

The word “autophagy” comes from the Greek “auto-phagein” which means “self eating.” Autophagy is a normal process in which compromised cells are cleared away. Even a healthy person must undergo autophagy, it’s one of the body’s natural modes of detoxification. Cellular damage can happen as a result of normal metabolic processes, but the rate at which damage occurs can be increased by things like stress, electromagnetic radiation, and free radicals.

How Does Autophagy Work

“Self-eating cells” sounds scary, but it’s a good thing! By clearing out old, damaged cells, you make room for new cells that are young and healthy. Without autophagy, you would continue to accumulate dead, damaged, and oxidized cell parts which accelerate aging, neurodegenerative disease, and cancer.

Naomi Whittel, autophagy expert, uses the comparison of a kitchen. Imagine cooking dinner, then wiping the counter, throwing away the scraps, and putting the leftovers in the fridge. That is autophagy working correctly.

Now, imagine cooking dinner, and leaving the mess. Grimey counters, pile of dishes in the sink, and smelly food left out. In this scenario, the smell and mess will continue to build up to the point where you will get unwanted consequences such as mold and bugs. When autophagy is compromised, dead and damaged parts linger in the body, which also leads to unwanted consequences like disease.

Autophagy Benefits

Autophagy is being touted as one of the best anti-aging hacks. What exactly are the anti-aging benefits of autophagy? Read on to find out!

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More Efficient Cellular Recycling

If you thought self-eating cells are weird: apoptosis is cell suicide! This programmed cell death can be useful for getting rid of seriously compromised cells, like those with disease, but in general apoptosis is much more wasteful than autophagy. Apoptosis also causes more inflammation and metabolic waste. Autophagy is a cleaner, more efficient way to keep cells healthy.

Virus Elimination

While a healthy immune system will turn off a virus making it dormant, it doesn’t actually get rid of them. The virus is still in your body and able to replicate. Cue autophagy, which is how your body can actually rid itself of the infected cells. If you’ve ever experienced nausea when sick with a virus, you know it’s hard to keep down anything (sometimes even water). This is your body’s way of inducing a fast–fasting sets autophagy into motion.

Additional autophagy benefits include:

  • Better skin, with less eczema, acne, and signs of aging.
  • Stronger and more resilient muscles.
  • Better brain function, including mood, memory, and mental processing.
  • Preventing neurodegenerative diseases.
  • Reducing inflammation.
  • Healthier gut; less chance of leaky gut syndrome.

How to Increase Autophagy

Fasting

Fasting, whether for several days or intermittent fasting, is one of the most powerful ways you can call upon your body to stimulate autophagy. 

One or two days of fasting is enough to induce autophagy, though days four and five is when you will reach peak autophagy. A fast-mimicking diet, in which you consume between 800-1100 calories per day, can also induce autophagy.

Intermittent fasting has a ton of benefits:autophagy being one of them! By restricting your eating window to an 8 hour block (or less), you can maintain a healthy level of autophagy daily. A common intermittent fast is skipping breakfast.

A Ketogenic Diet

When we are eating a lot of carbs and sugar, our body is burning glucose for fuel, has sharp blood sugar spikes, and high insulin levels. By getting into ketosis, using fat for fuel, we stabilize our blood sugar, lower insulin, and start producing ketones. Mixing ketosis and intermittent fasting is a great combo: once you’re in ketosis, it’s easy to go longer between meals because you start burning stored fat for energy. Ketosis plus intermittent fasting is an excellent way to mimic fasting and induce autophagy.

Exercise

Just like fasting, exercise is a ‘body stressor,’ but they are the good kind of stress! At least 30 minutes of exercise has been shown to induce autophagy. 

Sleep

Autophagy and metabolism follow diurnal circadian rhythm–your body’s sleep-wake cycle. By getting good sleep, you boost autophagy. These days, people face a lot of sleep issues, like insomnia. It’s important to practice good sleep hygiene in order to prepare your body for bed time. Blue blocking glasses, turning off electronics, and keeping lighting low at night can all help your body prepare for bed time.

Takeaway

The literal translation of autophagy as ‘self-eating cell’ does not do justice to the importance of the body’s natural process of cleaning compromised parts. Everyone can boost their levels of autophagy, whether by getting into ketosis or partaking in fasting. The anti-aging benefits will keep you looking, feeling, and functioning young!

Is fasting right for YOU? Click here for a consult with a functional medicine doctor.

References:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2990190/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3790331/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3389582/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463459/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4260725/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2991639/

Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Summer is upon us, which means vacations, BBQs, poolside lounging, and all-around more time outdoors! I have previously discussed the benefits of sunshine and spending time outside, however, for many of us, our sun exposure will be shooting up pretty quickly with the changing of the seasons. If you haven’t built your “sollar callus,” you may be more prone to burning in the sun. The most common way we are taught to prevent sunburn is by using sunscreen. Today I want to talk to you about the pros and cons of using sunscreen, and the safest ways to protect yourself against sunburn and skin cancer.

Dirty Sunscreen Secrets

This year the Environmental Working Group (EWG) published a report with shocking results: nearly two-thirds of sunscreens on the market don’t actually work, or contain worrisome ingredients that are absorbed into the body. The United States tends to have very lax safety standards regarding skin care ingredients. In fact, about half of the sunscreen sold in the US wouldn’t pass the European Union’s safety standards!

Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

Here are some common ingredients you can find in sunscreens sold in the United States:

  • Oxybenzone: Easily absorbed into the skin, and can be detected in urine, blood, and breast milk samples. Studies show that oxybenzone is a potential endocrine disruptor, affecting hormone levels. Due to their increased susceptibility and potential bioaccumulation, children are at an even higher risk. (*)
  • Octinoxate: Animal studies on octinoxate report lower sperm counts, sperm abnormalities, and delayed puberty. It can be detected in a mother’s milk. Octinoxate has hormone-like activity, and affects the reproductive system, thyroid, and alters behavior.
  • Homosalate: Another widespread sunscreen ingredient, homosalate disrupts estrogen, androgen, and progesterone.

A major problem with many ingredients in sunscreen (and other skin care products) is that there really just hasn’t been enough research done to prove their safety. And from the little we do know, all signs point to avoiding these ingredients.

How to Choose the Right Sunscreen

We know our skin is our largest organ and absorbs what you put on it. This is why the ingredients in all personal care products matter, especially for the products that we apply and leave on, like sunscreen and lotion.

Firstly, avoid spray sunscreens. Inhaling these ingredients pose a whole new set of health dangers, and it’s hard to apply them correctly. The FDA has even raised concerns regarding spray-on sunscreen. Plus, using spray-on sunscreens subjects anyone in the vicinity to breathing in these airborne toxins.

It’s important to note that SPF can be misleading. When you properly apply SPF 50 sunscreen, it blocks 98 percent of UVB rays; SPF 100 blocks 99 percent. The misinformation regarding SFP values leads consumers to believe they are more protected than they actually are. This false sense of protection causes sunbathers to spend more time outside, applying sunscreen less frequently, and ultimately, higher incidence of sunburn.

Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

In addition to the known toxic ingredients in sunscreen, about 40% of sunscreens contain the seemingly harmless vitamin A. While this sounds innocuous, studies show that vitamin A ingredients react poorly with UV rays, increasing the risk of skin developing tumors and lesions. It is recommended to avoid sunscreens, lip products, and skin lotions containing vitamin A, also listed as retinyl palmitate, retinyl acetate, retinyl linoleate, and retinol.

Badger is a widely available sunscreen that is EWG-approved. The sun protection comes from non-nano zinc oxide. Many mainstream sunscreens use “nanoparticles” which help the sunscreen absorb into your skin. While this helps the sunscreen rub all the way in so that it’s no longer visible, it also means you’re absorbing all of the ingredients into your skin and bloodstream.

The non-nano particles in a safe sunscreen such as the Badger brand mean that they are not readily absorbed. These are the sunscreens that will leave you with a little bit of a whitish-blue tint to your skin, but it’s much better than the alternative!

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Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

Safe Sun Habits

Food for thought: The EWG reports that melanoma doesn’t tend to appear on parts of the body that get daily sun exposure. Plus, people who work indoors are at a much higher risk for melanoma than those who work outside.

Sunscreen: What You Need to Know

It’s commonly accepted that increased sun exposure leads to increased risk of melanoma. However, studies show that:

  • Those who wear sunscreen are more likely to develop melanoma.
  • Melanoma patients who got higher amounts of sun exposure tended to have less aggressive tumor types,
  • Higher sun-exposure melanoma patients were less likely to die than other melanoma patients. (*)

Now, this may be due to the toxicity of mainstream sunscreen ingredients. However, there are many ways to minimize sunscreen usage.

  • Build your solar callus: Gradually work up a tan. Many of us emerge in the summer after many months indoors. You may only be able to start with 15 minutes outside if you are pale and prone to burning. However, over the course of days/weeks, you’ll build up your ‘solar callus’ and you will be able to spend more and more time outside.
  • Seek the shade: You can reap the benefits of sunlight without having to be under direct sun.
  • Cover up: Instead of always relying on sunscreen, you can simply layer up. Using clothes or sun cover ups are a great way to decrease the sun’s intensity on your skin.
  • Choose a healthy sunscreen: When you know you’re going to need sunscreen, choose a natural, non-nano sunscreen, such as Badger sunscreen.

Takeaway

UV from the sun actually provides our bodies with an essential “stress” which signals to molecules on our skin to convert to the active form of vitamin D. Vitamin D is considered perhaps the most common medical condition in the world. Vitamin D deficiency has been linked to virtually all forms of cancer (prostate cancer, breast cancer, leukemia, gastrointestinal cancer, bladder cancer…), cardiovascular disease, and autoimmune disease.

The sun is perhaps our greatest healer, but we must respect its intensity. By practicing safe sunning practices, you can get vitamin D without burning or ingesting the toxic side effects of mainstream sunscreen ingredients!

Have more questions about sunscreen? Click here to talk to a professional!

References:

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/

https://www.jabfm.org/content/24/6/735.full

https://www.ewg.org/research/cdc-americans-carry-body-burden-toxic-sunscreen-chemical

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/

Andy Hnilo – Creating optimal skin and body – Podcast #150

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Andy Hnilo engage in a very informative discussion about skin care, scar healing and recovery. Know about the natural ingredients found in Alitura Skin Care line and be informed about the products it offers.

Learn about how Andy Hnilo came up with his clay mask and how his past and present experiences as an athlete and model contributed to his success. Gain some very helpful insights about his lifestyle and the natural food supplements and ingredients that he uses for a healthy and glowing skin.

Andy Hnilo

In this episode, we cover:

06:55   Natural Ingredients for scar healing and recovery

11:57   Micro needling and laser resurfacing

16:59   Skin Health and Gut connection

27:51   Acne Issues

34:30   Plant Stem Cells

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. Welcome back to Beyond Wellness Radio. Really excited. We got Andy Hnilo here. It’s a silent “H”, right, Andy?

Andy Hnilo: Silent “H”—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Haha.. I know, right? Same with me with the last name “Marchegiani” So I get it. I feel your pain. 

Andy Hnilo: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How have you been today, Andy?What’s going on?

Andy Hnilo: Hey, I’m good. I’m good. Livingthe dream out here in Glen Oak__. I got a nice backyard now whereas before I just had a— like little single apartment. I just moved here, so—this is like my second podcast that I’ve done but, yeah, it’s fun. It’s like a whole different area, I’m trying to find good lighting, you know, nice comfortable place to do this but—wouldn’t want to have it any other way, man. I’m good. How about you? How are you?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just great. It’s like 80° Austin, Texas. They gonna be uh—going to do some waterskiing this weekend if the weather holds up nice, so really excited.

Andy Hnilo: What? Lake Austin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Lake Austin, man. Love it.

Andy Hnilo: Right on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. You’re coming down for Paleo effects in May, right?

Andy Hnilo: I am. Yeah. You’re speaking right here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I’ll be excited to check out your booth. I know you  don’t want to share.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. We did that uh—see, we did that was it the year before where we only have one product and that— it was really good. Very busy and that— it’s growing as you know – as good confer—good conferences like that—just— it’s easily the biggest Pale conference probably in the world.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Andy Hnilo: One of the top health and wellness conferences. You can go to that. I would say Bulletproof, natural products is pretty good. But, yeah—it’s big. I’m really looking forward to—to be able to have more—a lot of products now, so—most people—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Absolutely. And you actually crossed my radar screen. Number one: you had an amazing story that I wanted you to kinda talk about. Kind of that, you know, far from grace and this whole experience kinda brought you this— or where you’re at now with Alitura. I really want you to go into that story in a sec. And also, I’ve heard uhm— lots of patients and even staff members that work for me that the rave about your skincare line. They were saying, “Yeah, we’re using this line.” Just tell me more about it. And then they send me your info and I was educating myself on it and just seeing the quality of ingredients. And I know Dave Asprey was betting you which, you know, Dave puts his stamp of approval, it’s gotta be high-quality product, so—

Andy Hnilo: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love the product.I want to get more info. I got a whole bunch of uhm— product coming my way so I’m looking forward to trying it myself, number one. And number two I’m excited to, you know, for the listeners to hear your story in kinda what you went through to—to bring this kind of __?

Andy Hnilo: Well, yeah. First, thank you. That’s awesome. It’s uh—it’s always fun. I mean this uh—it all startedMarch 20, 2011. I was in an accident where I was hit by a by a westbound heavy vehicle hittin’ the eastbound lane and then run over by a landrover

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: My God!

Andy Hnilo: And I woke up—yeah. It’s pretty—pretty—pretty rough. I mean we just passed the six year anniversary with uh—about a week and half ago.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Andy Hnilo: So—it’s—it’s always difficult to remember where my family was at that point and where I was in a state of recovery. I’m justlucky to be alive, so— It’s pretty difficult but I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I’m movin’—I definitely moved past it. I mean I have something now to like—to you know, look forward to wake up to, which is the business. Definitely was uh—became—it became of that uhm— accident, so— I just uh— I’ve always been into health wellness definitely skin care before the accident but purity of ingredients were not there and the scar creams and the serums of that my surgeons are recommending that I use to just reverse the scarring and I’d stick uh two inch scar right here from on of the uh point of impact after I landed. I got slipped around a little bit and then—on the concrete I landed. Actually my jaw was punctured into the bottom of my mouth. It was like a 90° angle, there were pieces to my whole left side of my face—was uh in pieces, so I uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Andy Hnilo: There’s a very bad compound uh—maxillo—uh you know, jaw brake. So we had a maxillo-facial surgeon from Cedars-Sinai who came in and he couldn’t do it.  He needed backup so that’s when we knew something was serious and my parents, we look into someone private.Luckily my mom had connections that uh with Dr. Schendel up in Stanford University.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: He specializes maxillofacial uh surgery and so he had like on of his uh—one of his best student. I forget the term for—but he was working here in Beverly Hills.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And he came right over, his name is Joseph B___and I just knew that uhm—well we felt like we were in very good hands and so just uh—in a point of your recovery that’s what you need. But he was uh—he had this scar creams and but serums that I was going to buy but I look at the back and they were just loaded with chemicals and corticosteroids and fragrances and just fillers. I mean there’s very little active ingredient. But what is that active ingredient, you know, it’s synthetic, it’s chemical. I thought it was kinda productive in healing so I just—I was thankful to have a good surgery. I wanted to do my recovery based on my own research and create, you know—I didn’t wanna leave the house so I just started to buy my own extracts, oils, potters and everything. I just started melting things down in my kitchen. My little iron casket uh—I was serious. I was melting down cacao butter, uh beeswax, sea buckthorn, clary sage, lavender, adding CoQ10, colostrum, butter I mean just making these little paste. After, I would make a mask. I was uh—little routine there I would do daily that I would see via results and it made me feel good. So the clays were pulling out the impurities that I was going through with all the antibiotics and all the x-rays and CT scans that I had to go through. And I was just in a fog. I was in a daze. I was like a zombie. I lost my zest and it—I would have to go on walks to get that circulation from uh—from head to toe. Bottom line, I really wanted to reverse the abrasions and the scarring that I had from the accident. And I did that through just research. I mean, so much information out there and I was just using myself as my biggest science experiment. I mean, necessity is the mother of invention and well and behold, years later, I have a product on Dave Asprey’s website called Alitura clay mask and that’s what really led to—just after—you know, like you said, getting that stamp of approval from Dave Asprey and having him invest in the brand and just really back it. Obviously the customers have to like the product and so the review started flowing in. And that’s when I knew I had something.  So I just took it and ran with it. I mean people really respond to the fact that your skin is your largest organ so you really want to treat it like another__. What you put on is gonna be absorbed in your bloodstream, it’s gonna pass through your liver and you have to treat it as such. So I just—I take a lot of pride with my ingredient. And going at it with a different approach. I mean searching everywhere for things that other people have heard of or don’t use. I really like being unique in that sense. I don’t work with a research and development teams. I do it all myself. The products, I do it all on me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s run down the list of ingredients that you follow with the scar healing and the uh—skin recovery. What were the major ingredients? And we know you put in your formulas now. What were some of the big ones you found that really move the needle for you?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, man. So cacao butter, for sure. Cacao butter, Manuka.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cacao butter.

Andy Hnilo: Cacao butter, Manuka honey. The two different plants where I have stem cells. I talked to—her name is Maggie, out of North Carolina. She’s really—you know, I just, I love cold calling. And people respond to passion, you know. When you have a story and when you’re the owner of the company and not an assistant calling for someone and you back it up, “Hey, look, I just wanna – wanna figure out like what the cutting edge ingredients are.” But even before that, I would just uh—just select the basics. So right in the beginning stage of where I was making it uh—you know just ingredient-by-ingredient, step-by-step. The ones that really stood out were colostrum—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Cacao butter, the—you know the carrier of a good olive oil through things like uh—sea buckthorn I mean there were just so many. Red clover. I had 31 ingredients in that night cream which was essentially my scar uh—removal cream. I mean this was two and half inches now, I mean people after pointing out—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I can’t even see it on Skype. That’s phenomenal. You got amazing recovery and healing with that.

Andy Hnilo: Thank you. I mean I—I hit it—I just became my obsession. I really want to heal it from the inside to really build up blood and you know, help the—the cell turnover accelerate but also heal it from the outside. Make sure you’re extremely consistent uh— with that. I didn’t miss days. I mean everything had a purpose, I mean—coz I was just bummed out. I’m going to figure out a way to just see, you know, see if I could reverse all that. I wanted to be back where I was before. My goal is to be back in better shape than I was before.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Always.

Andy Hnilo: I did that, so—yes. And it’s funny, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And with the initial injuries, do you stay out of the sun for a period of time to make sure there’s not any—

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That’s why I went on uh—I went on walks at night during the day was my research time just to find cutting edge ingredients and kinda do my mixing and blending. I moved everything out of my bedroom in my living room and made my bedroom my little lab office type. And I would just sit there and I would think, I would write little notes down on a journal uhm—I would check out reputable website. I would check out non-reputable websites. I just want to hear, you know, hear different opinions and uhm— different people stories—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And what they do—that’s where I came up my blend of clays, that’s where I came up of different extracts, that’s where I came up experimenting with things like American ginseng topically, pro__ topically. I’d never seen any of that but I had nothing but time. So I figured out—believe me, a lot of things didn’t work. I mean there were some—there were definitely some ingredients that did not make the__ for a very good reason, but I mean, it’s okay.That’s you know,trial and error. It was you know—I was my own biggest beta tester for probably a year and then when I found that I had something—they say people saw me in the ICU—ICU room were just blown away with the recovery and so then I started traveling around town with my little backpack and my little plastic jar of clay and my little bottle of apple cider vinegar and essential oil blend. I would just go over their house and make some for them and they would gather there and stuff like that. And they would—I would—All I wanted just—be back. I mean, I’d never—this is way, way before Alitura. This is before I had a website, anything. It was called, “the clay mask” and I uh—yeah, I mean, hour—hour and a half later, though, I would get it right now. The feedback is great, so—I knew I had something but it’s like how do you go about—where do you go, how do you reach out to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah, Estée Lauder and just go, “Hey guys, I have this amazing mask.”So I didn’t really—It’s tough. I would just—friends of friends would refer me to make up artist and people who had Med Spas and—and salons but—I mean people like it but we don’t really have that credibility. It’s like, “What do you do?” is luckily I had a friend own a Medspa in San Diego and she took it on board uhm as a trial to some—some patients that she trusted. And they loved it, too.So then she took it on her menu of treatments. And that was like my own little victory right there. I mean I was like I, you know, I had something. I still didn’t have a name. They just called it the mineral-dense, nutrient-rich mask and it was like, they charge like 499 bucks with three treatments so it was like, “What?!?” It’s like—how do you—just to have something that people—that you created that people would pay for. I don’t care if it’s a meal— but anything. It just felt good and so that little flicker of momentum led it—led to uh— a really, you know, it’s like, man it felt good, like a little validation. And then I just went from there. I called, emailed Dave Asprey. I—I—I just uh—I tried a lot of different combinations of his email address, with like copy, pasting the exact same thing and one went through and so he uh—he took me on board as a Bulletproof ambassador, have me on his podcast and the rest is really history. I mean, it’s fun to look back on, but uhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s amazing.

Andy Hnilo: Took that and run with it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s actually amazing. So with uh—with all the things that you did in your recovery, so we obviously use some of the really awesome ingredients and did you do any supplemental procedures as well to help? Did you do like any of the micro needling or any of the laser resurfacing? Anything at all supplementally?

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely. So uhm—before the mask, I just did it right now. Actually, I do micro needling. We actually be releasing the titanium uhm– micro needle here within the next month or something. Because it really just help escort those micronutrients just pass the dermis and uh—just really uh— accelerate the absorption and uhm—it just—it turns up the mask a little bit so I would start doing that just in scar and I’d see the results and I’m like, “I’m just gonna do this all over my neck, face everywhere—even in my scalp, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Coz it just make sense to open up those pores and just you know, especially hit the part at the scalp. It just made sense to me and I would really massaged it in and just helps, you know,create a little circulation to the scalp, to the dermis, everywhere and so that was one. As far as the laser, we—I did a little pixel treatment on the scar area uhm—I can’t really say it did a whole lot uhm—I heard the the cold lasers are great. But as far as the pixel, it really became inflamed. And what it does, basically, it creates uh you know, a burn and it has to heal again. I mean maybe did a little bit but you gotta be ready for some downtime if you’re gonna be doing an intense laser like that but I hear cold lasers are good—very good these days, so that could be an option as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Anything else you did to move the needle? And by the way—

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: When are you coming out with the uhm—the—the micro needling thing you mentioned

Andy Hnilo: They are in production right now. They are in production right now. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.

Andy Hnilo: It’s a nice titanium uhm—so they’re gonna be sent to me in, who knows, maybe about by the time this airs. I don’t know. But it’s great. What we use to have that is like a nice little add-on. I mean, people keep asking me for that. I would refer them to others. And I’m just like, “Why won’t I just make my own? Make it easier for me.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, that’s great. We’ll put al the products that we mention on the show below. So anyone needs to ask us so they can get them pretty fast.

Andy Hnilo: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I know your kinda history coming into this you’re model for a while, you are also collegiate athlete baseball, right?

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So you were doing a lot with your body. You’re doing a lot, you know, your— your body essentially was your income.

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah. And so that—after the accident, I lost 17 pounds. So I don’t really have a lot of weight to lose. So I just build in that weight back with strictly through doing a lot of this uhm—this research. I’m trying these herbs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Adaptogens—uhm—you know, things like that jus to help build my blood, circulate that blood, remove the impurities and reduce inflammation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Strengthening the immune system. Amino acids have been huge. And I just—I did this morning tonic just to help build my blood and circulate that blood and really just get me going. And I have this nighttime tonic to calm down and uh—help me recover and sleep my best and that just became this—everydayIt was part of my routine. And so that was— that help me build back my frame quicker and also just help me throughout my workouts. And eating to a point where it was just—it’s similar to like uh—excuse me—a Paleo diet but it’s with a twist of lot of uh—just rich uh—tonics and things like that throughout the day. So it’s mostly Paleo with a little—yeah, it’s pretty much Paleo, I would say.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How about collagen? How much collagen are you adding into your diet?

Andy Hnilo: Two tablespoons. I use the Bulletproof Collagen Powder every morning in my coffee.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nice.

Andy Hnilo: And so throughout the day post-recovery. I—for connective tissue and joint— joint health and things like that. I mean I just feel so good uhm—just—as a post-workout as well, but in the morning adding that. It just dissolves nice. Doesn’t’ taste like much butI feel—you know my parents are on that as well. I think that’s the most absorbable form of protein and the most beneficial form of protein uhm—we can do that. Gelatin is great but I like to stick right between those two and then the colostrum. Uhm and just to hit with a little nice absorbable form of IGF-I growth factors but uhm—what about you? What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I’m still learning but, you know, I—people are so used to the Whey protein and the you know, the—the things that you—you find it—all around. I mean, I like to get the most absorbable form of protein.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. I’m a huge fan of Collagen Peptide. I have my own  line as well called TruCollagen, but—very similar: grass-fed, organic in peptide form to maximize absorption. Love the—the glycine content which is great for the enterosite turnover in the gut. Also great for glutathione precursors for the liver.

Andy Hnilo: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Also hydroxyproline. Proline, a lot of the— you know, collagen. A lot of the peptides that help kinda rejuvenate the skin, cartilage. All those things. So its—I’m such a huge fan of that. And I see a lot of patient with gut issues as well. And we’ll talk about this next because the skin is kind of the mirror of the gut. What’s your take on skin health connected to the gut?

Andy Hnilo: I just— so—maybe you can explain—I heard that from someone like yourself and so I just ran with it and started eating as much fermented foods as I could.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So, lot of crop, lot of fermented—uh—you know, beets and I like a brand Farmhouse culture is a great brand. I mean I take out a bag of those every other day. I mean so I’m going through. I mean they’re expensive but I really feel like it takes care of that gut. I mean with my diaphragm sits closer to my spine. I’m nice and light on my heat. I’m just going through uh—I’m just more uh—you talk about uh—you know functional nutrition I think that’s the essential part of it. You know I’m not creating any issues with digestion through eating those fermented foods so I’m taking care of that gut. It’s just so important. And you know that’s the thing. These probiotics are becoming like this catchphrase and I went through—I went through probiotics but I’d rather get it naturally through food. I mean I don’t—I didn’t really see or feel too much bad effects. Some of it will make my stomach bark a little bit and kinda like a little bloated, a little gassy. But now, it’s like I just stick with uh—the fermented vegetables with every meal. It just really helps—helps me but uhm—I’m open. Do you have any ideas? Are you a fan of any fermented vegetables as well?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean sauerkraut, uh– spickels, the Kombucha, the lower sugar Kombucha. A lot of the Kombuchas today have becoming like soda if you look at the sugar.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I like the GT Dave’s. 2 grams of sugar in the uh—in the ginger Kombucha. Huge fan of that, for sure.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Again, therapeutically, some people that have infections in dysbiosis, you know, they—they benefit by cleaning up the gut, right? You know, you go in the garden, you pull the weeds out before you turn down the seeds. And I find a lot of people if they have some weeds in there, the weeds kinda interact with the seeds i.e. you get some of the bloating and such. But you know some people they get a little histamine response as well. So huge fan of the probiotic.I thing that’s big to get big. You also mentioned in the past, you had a placenta smoothie. Tell me a little bit more about that.

Andy Hnilo: Ah, yeah. Well, uhm—Yeah. It so—I—I was trying everything and I’d— some people recommend. So here’s what I did. I’m talking bison liver. I chopped them off and I take little connective tissue lines. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That goes to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That’s all good.

Andy Hnilo: So I would do that, egg yolks. Coz my jaw was wide stretched.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I was trying to get much nutrition in as possible. Deer placenta, I would brake up the little capsules for those days. Uh—four capsules a day. Uh– egg yolks, bison liver, I mean (laughs) colostrum. So I was just trying to get much nutrition back into my system as I could. So I couldn’t eat. And uh—So yes, a lot of people get gross stuff but the placenta, apparently, is the most nutrient-dense source of the animal. I mean it’s some of the—Dave’s saying some of the animals eat their placenta after giving birth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: All of them do except humans. I recommend a lot of my patients to encapsulate their placentas.

Andy Hnilo: Wow! Really?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Huge benefits. I mean every patient that I had do it, they have history of like post partum, you know, the depression that occurs after because basically the fetus is a magnet for nutrition. So if you can take that and bottle it up and put in the capsules, right, you get a little bit oxytocin and some of those nutrients, too.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah! That’s—okay. Yeah. And have they done it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. I’ve had patients do it and had phenomenal results.  I mean patients with three and four kids that had postpartum, postpartum, postpartum did it, and then boom! depression was gone after that last kid.

Andy Hnilo: It’s—Yeah. Ton of B vitamins, I would assume.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And if you know, obviously, women is gonna be trying to breast-feed so you get a little bit oxytocin which really helps facilitate that milk letdown reflex as well.

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah. Wow! Well so—I mean, that’s what I would do and then I would get a little b__ from the bison liver as well, egg yolks, super__ I would just try to pack as much nutrition in there as possible. Little spirulina, beet powder—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So—Yeah. That’s what I did. I just felt so good. I mean there was a point wherein I was just rocked, you name it, seven broken ribs, collapsed lungs, and then—head to toe. When I felt pretty good shortly after and I blamed it all on nutrition or and uh—you know, topically with my mask just reduced, you know, a lot of that—just pent up uh—condensed just right around the eye area.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I use a lot of that and pulled out a lot of the impurities as well, so—yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. So walk me through kinda your history. You’re a college athlete at where?

Andy Hnilo: Yes. I went to Burkley on a baseball scholarship, 2000 to 2002 transferred to Sacramento State.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uh—played a year there and then finished up finished at St. Mary’s College in Moraga which is the West Coast conference uhm— had an opportunity— I’ve had opportunities to play professionally I just—I didn’t get draft and uh—I was really close when I was right there but it just didn’t happen and so I’m moved down to LA and I actually I’ve had a partial tear rotator cuff. So that was—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But uhm—with the partial tear as you know, it just take those weird little exercises to grow back and so I was like, “ I didn’t wanna do that at home.” So I moved down to LA and started working out Beverly Hills high school and getting back in shape to go back professionally.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I had an opportunity to at least uh—work out and play with the team which is still independent baseball called the uhm— Human Scorpions which back then was a gold in baseball league. But uhm—in being down in LA  and living in my buddy’s couch, who was an actor, he was—he head me run these sides with them which are— which are like audition sides.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And it was pro baseball film and I was like still fresh out of baseball. And so it just came  pretty quickly me and I didn’t have any nerves because I wasn’t auditioning so I was repeating lines better than he was. And so it was really cool that he did this because like man, do you ever thought of getting into this? Coz you’re—this is huge—this particular role. And I was like, “ I mean, I don’t know. What do you think?” So it was really nice just it never happens—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But he reached to the director and he’s like, “This role I’m going out for, a buddy of mine is actually better for it than I am. Would you consider seeing him?” They saw my picture, they told them about my baseball background. Sometimes things like that happens. So they brought me in and I had nothing to lose.  I did really well and I had a call back, screen test and ended up booking that role which is a lead in the future film. And so that I just gave up baseball and uh—just focused on that like representationand started really working a lot, book some operas, a lot of commercials, started modeling a little bit and then—yeah the rest is—yeah, I’ve beendoing that ever up until uh—yes so that was 2006—yeah, 2006 up until my accident 2011. So I was working a lot as well as an actor, and then the accident hit and then after that my—my attention to nutrition and skin care really just— that became my focus. And it was really— just stare me in the face my entire life. That’s my passion. You know, just health andwell-being, nutrition, wellness you name it. So that’s right where I’m supposed to be. But I still act and do a little bit of modeling but the acting is—but I’m very specific with my agent with what I wanna do.  I want it to be something fun that I, you know, preferably, honestly, baseball. I want it baseball-related and if it’s not there, then I won’t do it. I actually booked a guest star on uh—HBO or FOX called “Pitch” so it was uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: It was a lot of fun for me to play that part.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That’s awesome.

Andy Hnilo: I would do it, but you know, Alitura, my baby and my focus—absolutely. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. And regarding the baseball, what was your diet like when you’re an athlete? I mean would you be as good as it was now with good fats and all those things? Or did you learn that later on?

Andy Hnilo: I learned that later on. Uh— you know back and this was early 2000 to mid-2000, I had not heard of the “good fat” thing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.That’s_back then.

Andy Hnilo: Back then it was called, “low fat”. But what I was uhm—low carb. I was focused on uh—nutrient dense. So right then I was big into the Men’s Health magazines.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And they were good with the basics. I mean they’re still god with just telling people and explaining very clearly and easy to—to remember way on what to eat, what— what vegetables to eat, why to eat them, what to stay away from.So that’s what I focused on and I would just— some people, you know, at the dining halls, at the dormitory where I was staying,would see me doing this finicky little __and spinach and tuna and like no dressing. That was like my big thing, like—what—“how do you eat that without dressing?” I heard the dressing is the worst part for you in the South so I don’t eat it. And so that—year by year, it just accelerated. I got a little bit better year-by-year and that’s the way it’s gonna be. I’m constantly searching for new—the latest and greatest. But yeah, back then, I was 215 and it was just all—I was an outfielder pitcher.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Outfielder pitcher.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And so like, it’s all about ball.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How fast can you throw?

Andy Hnilo: 91.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really?

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. 91. But I think it could be—I think it could be a little bit more because I never got my core involved.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: It was all on—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s the key. I work with athletes a lot especially pitchers. The key really is is the lower body the glutes, could you throw so much with those hips.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah and the stride length. I have no flexibility. I would just rely on my arm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I really feel like if—coz you know with the long tossing, you’re getting all that momentum and I could throw it further, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I could—but and that usually translates to loss__ But 91 was good but I-I want—I really feel like if I got that with all the technology these days as you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I’m really tight around this area and you see the pitchers, like they’re nice and loose. Although they’re getting bigger these days, guys like Jake ___They’re getting bigger and stronger but they’re also doing things like yoga and taking care of those bodies and getting that stride length out there.  And so I—I really feel like I didn’t even dip into the potential of what I could bring velocity-wise but it’s all good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Do you ever wish that you had the knowledge you have now with like the good fats and all the nutrient density and all the things that you’re doing now with healthy lifestyle habits you could bring that back in time sometimes?

Andy Hnilo: Definitely. Seriously, I still hit. I still throw. I meanyou give me, I don’t know, like months or 2 months I really feel like I could get back into it. I’m 35. I’ll be 36 in November but—yeah, I just was down in spring training with the Cubs Dodgers. I’m hitting with those guys. I haven’t picked up a bat for, I don’t know, years. Every Spring training I do it. So I probably didn’t pick up a bat for the—year before and hit. So I mean—I just—So all those things. We’re not thinking about it. That was my biggest thing was mind I wouldjust get to caught up  where my hits, where my hands are supposed to be really are and you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And uh—but now it’s just kinda grip and rip. It’s so funny how that works sometimes it’s mind over matter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Totally. And do you have history of acne issues or skin issues?

Andy Hnilo: And so—Yes, I did. And that— that’s what got me so focused on skin care early on. I could—Man, I had bad back acne.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: And it was all—because the products I was using. That and diet.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-huh.

Andy Hnilo: It started going. Man, it was so frustrating. I couldn’t even– in my locker, I wouldn’t even turn around. I would just stand face out because it was really embarrassing. Yeah. Very embarrassing.So I just—you know, you have things that bug you and try to figure out a way to—you know, there’s always information out there. There’s like—look, I was using Clearasil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uhm—a phase. And it was al—I would always have some type of irritation, always some type of—it was—my skin was reacting to the toxins.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That’s where—that’s where it was. And then I was using the terrible body wash and I was eating bad, eating poorly. And so I just—that’s—yeah, I was what, 19-20 years old and I just start becoming interested in doing it. I did my first clay mask when I was—20—20 years old. And that night—that night and  I just had one ingredient. And I would do that every Sunday, I think. And so that – I mean 20 years old, I’ll be 36. I’ve been doing it for 13 years. I mean, I’m talking I don’t miss weeks. I just—a clay mask is—to the people out there, it doesn’t have to be mine. It could be—that is undeniably effective internally, externally. That night clay is—and there’s a lot of great ones as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s pulling out a lot of toxins and anyone can do it even if you’re healthy. What are the benefits? Are you gonna see improvements with acne, with wrinkles, with elasticity? What do you see with that?

Andy Hnilo: So what I—All of that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So what you see is you can spot treat—it pulls out—I’ve—I’ve heard of people putting my mask, you know, uh—spot treating little spider bites and it just pulls out that infection for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And bringing a lot of circulation into the surface of the skin. And the clay is so mineral-rich uh—pulling out heavy—it has like—electro charge so as far as like pulling out—it just uh—it works with your own electromagnetic uh—energy to pull out heavy metals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And it’s just, you know, the military use it for—for that uh—source like your little bed night treatment internally, externally just to help pull out and deal it—deal with a lot of radiation, and things like that.Uh—as far—yeah, as far as mineral density in—in—I would say the biggest things as far as mineral density just escorting those good uh— nutrient factors and things like silica uh— profile is over 70% and silica uh—I mean just one of building blocks of collagen, I believe so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So just—it’s—it just uh—yeah, so I would say as far as like filling out wrinkles, I would say wrinkles are just creating circulation to that surface and kinda filling out those fine lines. Wrinkles also, I think uh— can be due to, you know, poor diets as far as sugar, dairy, uhm—hydration. Maybe a little bit too much sun exposure without replenishing that lost moisture and staying hydrated. I mean, there’s a lot of—I mean, just unbelievable extracts, butters, essential oils. You just kinda recondition, you know. Just stay diligent with that. Just put something on before yougo to bed at night. You wake up— I think even—it’s—the most important time to do when you’re in__ position for 68 hours.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: You put some night cream. I mean—hit it with uh—it can just be one ingredient. I started out with Cacao Butter and I started doing that. And I’m like,

“Let’s add some manuka honey to it, well, let’s add some colostrum to it.”

And just step-by-step, I created something that’s unlike—I really—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So someone’s trying to kinda dip their toe in and kind of figure out what product will give me the best bang for the buck in Alitura line. What would that be? Would that be the night cream?

Andy Hnilo: If you’re— if you’re going to do uh— take the time because mine is a mask, like say the clay mask—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Andy Hnilo: It’s just a powder mask and you will find it—whether it’s rosewater, aloe vera juice, apple cider vinegar is uh—is very popular. If you’re gonna take the time to do it, I mean—that’s the most effective treatment.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So a mask is number one.

Andy Hnilo: Mask is number one. Uh—I would say, night cream number two.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Is that the best one for scarring as well for any skin imperfections?

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Andy Hnilo: Definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And is there a second one after what I’m saying?

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. I mean it’s so—tough to tell you. It’s—I mean the—the moisturizer is great, too.We have the body lotion, uh—serum—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any SPF in the moisturizer?

Andy Hnilo: Not that I can claim. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But it’s just uh—we’re—I’m going to release uh—uh— sunscreen here, too. It’s just uh—I’m gonna—I’m gonna be using a non-nano zinc and then I can get about a 30 SPF rating.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: — which is good. People want it. So I just—I’m going to make one in—you know, I don’t really have a problem non-nano zinc.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I mean it’s a mineral and it provides you some protective—uh—that’s what people want. So what I’ll do, I’ll just—I’m gonna create one that is, you know, without the need of the fillers. I mean where some—there’s a good brand out there, “Keys” K-E-Y-S. And they have the solar RX. It’s good. They just have—I think I can make theirs better. So that’s what I’m gonna do. But uhm—uhm—Yeah. I would say, you know, some good—some exposure but depending on uhm—you know, everyone’s history. I think it’s beneficial. Just absorbing nutrients, good vitamin D and just helping with overall sense of well-being. I mean I know people that live in San Diego that went Oregon flat-out went through seasonal depression because they didn’t have the sun.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: And so–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what’s your recommendation on exposure? Just kinda get a gentle pain, you don’t want a burn, is that your general recommendation?

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely. 15-20 minutes tops. I think uh—I read from Tim Ferriss’ book. I’ve read that anything—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: For our body.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Anything past 20 minutes, now you’re starting to burn. Uhm—so I would take 15-20 minutes daily. If you can, just get out and you know, just take your shirt off and get some good absorption all over the body or just face, whatever you’d like to. And it’s—just—it’s uh—definitely, I can. I mean so I can go without it. But I—I’d notice that—it—absolute result everytime after I get a little sun exposure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And are you able to now get some sun on those old injuries because the scars are fully-healed now?

Andy Hnilo: Yes. I do. Yeah. I mean it—it’s uh been a while but I took it. Yeah, I mean I didn’t—I didn’t coz the sun just will_ again—that scar.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I didn’t get much sun through a long time. So now uh—yes, it’s—it’s pretty much healed so I’m—I’m out and about but that’s where it’s a good point. If someone is uh—recovering and has scar I would definitely say stay out of the sun and if you do, get some very good uh—natural uhm—sunblock over that area if you’re gonna go skiing or something like that coz it’s horrible for it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. And tell me about some of the plant stem cells coz that’s—they’re unique in your line.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you mentioned—you found it from that girl there uh—over North Carolina.

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But tell me more about that. How did you get that in there? And is that a big needle mover in your line?

Andy Hnilo: It’s—uh—Yeah. Absolutely. I mean nobody uses several different ones. And I—I tried F__, Oregano Uh—I probably tried six or seven uh— forms of all the different plant drug stem cells.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I plant with a nice soluble form of uh—and Edelweiss and  Gardenia. They both have studies, too. The Gardenia stimulates collagen production. And the Edelweiss just helps firm and tone. So that—the combination, it works extremely well together and in my formula, it’s just— it’s –it’s about that particular uhm—blend is in the night cream and I’m—I’m gonna be working with bamboo stem cells, uh—ginseng stem cells on my scrub. I didn’t wanna use it in my cleanser because it’s a washed up product. But I mean I wanted to useit but it just didn’t make sense coz you’re just putting it on really quickly and washing it off. But in my scrub, you’re gonna be massaging in bamboo which is nature’s highest form of silica into the skin. It’s just uh—yes, sorry I’m just becoming—coz plants if you look, they  help prepare themselves when they—when they’re cut off. I mean—they just—they—they pinpoint that area to help regrow. I mean it’s a very, very uh—you know science—I’m very lucky that scientist started looking at that. And the fact that they repair themselves after injury and then nowhere after being cut or something like that so quickly. Uhm—and so I—I wanna see if there’s an aloe vera stem cell. There’s just got to be. I mean, if you see how quickly they repair themselves and they just grew it right back, I mean, it’s amazing, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: In saying, what’s your experience with human cell uh—stem cells?

 Andy Hnilo: I haven’t—I’m very, you know, interested in. I haven’t done any of that. Dave is—Dave is all over that. I believe he does human, I’m not sure, but uh—it’s becoming the next biggest thing as far as, you know, with the—I think I heard you and _were talking about it with his knee injury.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: — his knee recovery. And—but—I’m—as far as topically in the skin, your regenerating tissue uhm—I’m—it’s something I’m very fascinated in but uhm—I just—uh—I don’t know, maybe you can—you help me out a little bit on it. What are so—have you worked with it? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, yeah, a little bit. There’s a product that use uhm— called, “J Bio”. J Bio Serum and they basically go to tissue banks and they extract stem cells from fat tissue essentially and they spend it out. The biggest issue is stem cells, it’s—it’s kinda now you sell it and go in many different—different directions. So how do you stimulate it to go to skin versus uh—kidney or wherever direction. So the hard part is how you guide it. But there are some FDA studies right now. What they’re doing it on burn victims with they have these stem cell guns and they spray people at them just got them like massive burns. And a week or two later, like their skin’s back. It’s insane.

Andy Hnilo: What?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So that’s probably the future of medicine, I think.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s that.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Sounds like it. I had a friend who had a very bad burn—yeah, just—third degree burn all over his body and they did a—I think they did shark—shark uh—skin all over his, yeah, I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I just—it helped but man, about a week later, his skin is back.That’s amazing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve seen that same thing in a lot of Oriental countries. They use like the skin of various fish. One: because of the omega-3, fatty acids because of the hydration. I’ve seen it they do all these wraps and people look like they have fish scale. It’s pretty crazy.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Yeah. That’s what you had to do. And it’s back.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Unreal.

Andy Hnilo: It definitely didn’t take—took a lot more than a week. That’s for sure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Now tell me—we kinda went off the back acne issue. What was the needle mover for that? Were there any foods that were driving that? What did you do to fix the back acne?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, it was just processed food.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Andy Hnilo: I mean, diet, I would say diet and the products I was using Neutrogena body wash.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I was eating pizza, hotdogs, burgers. I was trying to put on weight.

Andy Hnilo: I was skinny. It was going onto my body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I was about 18-19 years old, freshman. I was competing with, you know, 22 -23 year olds which were big and working out. I was a 168 pounds so I got up to 191 at that time just by eating whatever I want.That’s all I knew.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And you know, protein-fat calorie, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: And uh—but it’s—that was one of the biggest uhm—catalyst in my uh—back acne. And my face will break out every now and then, too. So it was just uh—I cleaned that up through time. But I cleaned that up with the product that I was using. I went from that to I got—I think it was Aubrey Organics.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Organics.

Andy Hnilo: Aubrey Naturals now. But—uhm anyway, yeah. The great—switching that up. Just becoming very aware of the ingredients. I mean, just getting away from those big, heavily, marketed brands with toxic ingredients and going towards a more natural route. And that’s what changed my life. It really did. I mean uh—I don’t uh—I don’t have to worry about my back anymore.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s awesome.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And so really good. It makes me, you know, it changed my life for sure. That’s definitely why I’m so passionate about it, you know—coz you know how down then I was, and I just—yeah, feels good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’m very excited to start using your products. I got them queued up here, so, that will be great.

Andy Hnilo: Nice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So walk me through your routine. And I’ve heard it before but I want to know where is that now? What’s your daily routine like? I know you’re a big guy in the intermittent fasting. You’re doing high fats and also, I kinda want to know how you vary that routine when you’re getting ready for like a shoot, like you’re really trying to just lead out. It may not be sustainable, right? But I want to know the difference in how you—how you uhm— compare the two.

Andy Hnilo: Yes. So, as far—my current morning routine will be I get up within minutes of doing—I’m doing somethingt ’til failure.

whether it’s push-up, pull-ups—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo:–just to get that blood flow. Uh—I read at Men’s Health a while ago that really just helps—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Love that.

Andy Hnilo: –to have energy throughout the day.So, I’ll goright into that and I’ll make my morning tonic. I’ll do a lot of different Chinese herbs, spirulina, uhm—Hawaiian spirulina, schisandra, h__, gynostemma . A lot of these different uhm—Chinese herbs and then I’ll also add a little turmeric uh—so uhm—you know, amino acids, curl oil, curcumin. I mean uh—it’s a lot. But I’ll do that and so that is building off  of the push ups to really getting that blood flow and then what I’ll do, if it’s not my mask day, I’ll just mask every other day. Like today was, so—I’ll throw on the mask and I have this table in my other room right there. And so what I’ll do is hang those up side down.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Andy Hnilo: Try to collect my thoughts and I don’t turn on my phone. Uhm—working on that. I don’t turn on my phone until all this is done. And so it kinda sets the tone for the day. I mean, I’m big on gratitude, big on perspective uhm—you know, lots of music going on in the background. So for about 10 minutes, I’ll be hanging upside down. It really helps lengthen out my spine and get that circulation going—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: —between the discs. Lot of blood flow of the mask on, so like you’re really getting that blood flow from the tur_ roller.  And then the mask, I mean, it’s just insane. Yeah, it’s just part of, you know, just getting your best self getting ready for the day and just feeling your best locked in where you’re good. So after that, uhm—I will uh—shower up, get my Bulletproof coffee after and uh—I like to turn up the Bulletproof coffee a little bit, add in a little grass-fed butter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uhm—cayenne pepper, butter, m__,tribulus, cordyceps, stevia. It sounds horrible but I love it. I love it and then, I’m just good to go. And so—and so that’s what I do pretty much everyday but—pre shoots—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I—I’ve been noticing there’s like a—a little—there’s some vegetables  to tighten you up. I call it trick wrapping.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So cilantro, celery, uh—beets. Now, why is that? It almost acts like a diuretic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes it does. That’s what exactly what you’re doing.

Andy Hnilo: Ohh. Okay. So just all that water weight and so what I’ll do and I – I do uh—eggs. So like pre-shoot, a couple of days before. So eggs are getting the good fats. I’ll do the yolks down. I’ll do those raw and I’ll cook up the protein and then avocado. So eggs, avocado, celery, cilantro, uhm—there’s another one—uh—beets, broccoli, a little bit but just maybe I’ll cut down the sweet potato course in size a little bit but just get all the good nutrients in there. And then uhm—yeah, definitely intermittent fast up until 8. So I won’t eat until 2 pm. So say it by—at 8 pm the previous night, I don’t eat until 2 pm. That’s for 12-16-18 hour fast. Then my body is in that state of ketosis, I believe, after the Bulletproof coffee that I’ve had that is high in fats but uhm—low in protein. Now if I do the collagen-protein, some people would say I—that takes me out of my fast, but I don’t know—I mean, does it? Because I’m adding that scoop of collagen protein and that’s it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean it’s good, but I don’t think so. You’re still gonna be in ketosis, though. The idea of the fast is to keep the ketosis going. And the whole idea is you don’t want too much gluconeogenesis which is basically making protein—making sugar from the protein, so—I think it’s still be in the ketosis there, for sure. I’ve heard you say in the past, so you really cut the fat, though, before a shoot. Are you still doing that? Or have you modified that?

Andy Hnilo: Avocado. No, I—I used to do that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I just—I see—if anything, I just see a good benefit—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Andy Hnilo: —from the good fats. So a little vascularity—vascularity too. So say, if I’m doing something athletic for like Oakley and I really want like—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: You know, the shoots all work.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Totally.

Andy Hnilo: You know what I mean, I’m running around. So you gotta be—you gotta have some energy, so—But I—it’s yeah.  The beets with the nitric oxide content—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo:  And then I’ll combine that with grass-fed butter, avocado and then just being mineralized. That’s a big thing is—you know, here’s the big misconception about salt, right? It’s just that you know water retention, you get bloated. I noticed that Himalayan salt uh—particularly does not do that. And so I’ll do a little bit with it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: But I’m talking whenever you know, when you get in the farm, that Himalayan salt is something that can wake you back right up. And so uh—those are two things I cut down as far as the good fats and then the—the salt content, but I—when you really just want to tighten up for a job, it’s uh—that’s what I do. Yeah. Parsley is another big one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Is that beet, parsley, celery—is that in a drink or are you juicing that?

Andy Hnilo: So yeah. What I do is uh—the beet I sauté up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: And then the uh—the parsley, avocado, uhm—fermented vegetable, cilantro and celery is a mash. I just mash it up and then I’ll do uh—just  with the fork,  you know, a little  hot sauce, a little bit—I’ll do that in the day and that just satiates me. I mean it’s just something that all those nutrients are flow—flowing out throughout the body. It’s definitely something I do. Just keeps me on my—and then sardines, I know, I’m like—I love sardines, too. The nutrient content is amazing. Good fats, good amount of protein but also just it’s uh—it’s super bioavailable. I would say like to the body. It’s just—it just helps—helps uh—satia—just get the mind right, but also it’s not o—you’re not overdoing it. You’re not uh—you know, it’s not something that’s too difficult on your digestive system and you can absorb a lot from it, so that’s another thing I’ll do. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. That makes sense. By the way, how did you get the name of your business, Alitura?

Andy Hnilo: Alitura. So we’re looking around. It’s uh—it started off with “golden glow”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: And it’s just acts—like a bronzer to many people. Luckily I didn’t go. Thankfully, I didn’t but, yeah, so you know, so it’s just—we started talking with my partners as far as I—search engine optimization. Someone told me, I don’t think it’s true, but that—it’s search engine optimization—it’s like alphabetized, uh—you know, they—they prefer “A” before “Z” obviously.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: So we started going into that. So I knew I wanted it to be “A”. Uhm—but then I was—started going back and forth and it’s Latin for “feeding”. I kinda want it to be something, you know, different in language and then yeah, we just went up and took awhile. And it was uh—it was this extremely difficult. They only—they only have one, but I really feel like it uh—just embodies what our brand is about.  The logo is something—I have to tell you, the logo is something I’m really happy about. Coz we went to so many different graphic designers who were just giving me Google Fox.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: By the way, I just grabbed the shar_ you went to Kinko’s. It’s—I love my signature. I love, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And also, the whole model behind signing up on what’s inside the product. I mean, that’s my signature right there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: It just uh—the product—twenty minutes writing the same thing, “Alitura”. You know, I copied it and then send it off to the graphic designer, we kinda just tightened it up and smooth it out a little bit, but yeah, that’s how the logo came about. It’s just uh—signing up on what’s inside, you know. And that’s what—I make that to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s awesome. I know you mentioned earlier that you’re coming out with a new— a new design for the bottle, a new glass bottle. When is that coming out?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, that’s for the fragrance.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Fragrance. Got it.

Andy Hnilo: And we went—so the branding—we’re going on with an all like black matte to make that silver foil pop. Oh man, I wish I had it here. Uh—well, this is like uh—that’s a night cream right there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: And so the mask—we’re doing the same thing. The mask is a—it’s a charcoal mask.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: It’s very subtle, but man, it looks so slick. So that’s—that’s—it just—it looks great. Uhm—it’s uh—it supplement really—just—you know, coz if you can— it’s something that we can control. You know, the packaging is so important and it’s got to reflect what’s inside it. But uh—as far as the fragrance goes, it’s gonna be a lot different. I didn’t—yeah—it’s gonna be like a smoked glass coming out magnetic cap, going metal top, nice little uh—like skin Alitura.  It’s called, “Presence”. The unisex, organic fragrance. It is—it’s mind-blowing. It’s uh—I’m actually meeting with uh Rob__ to get a sample today.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool.

Andy Hnilo: My hands—it’s like a little egg so we’ll see, I’m so excited for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. I only got two questions left. Last one, I know your evolution of being kind of the model, the baseball player, kind of the individual Hollywood actor to being the CEO and the entrepreneur. What was the biggest lesson? The most valuable lesson you learn to help you go from the solopreneur to the entrepreneur running your business?What was that big lesson for you that helped you?

Andy Hnilo: Whew!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you will crystallize one thing. One thing that has been the biggest needle mover for you?

Andy Hnilo: Hmm—the one thing that I’ve maintained throughout all of the different industries that I’ve been is just—hum—the work ethic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: The discipline. If you combine the work ethic and the discipline and uhm—that’s gonna take you far. That’s—regardless of what it is, I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Having that fear of failure—it’s still like when I was 14-16 years old—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: From a coach who gave me some really encouraging words that you have a chance but there’s somebody out there working harder than you right now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: He fears uh—that I—that just has not left. There’s always something that can be done. And uh—it’s just—that’s you know, you have to be excited about the work that you’re putting in which is something do your best every single time and work—work til you—I’ve fall-I’ve fallen asleep in the parking lot in the post office before. My car rang—snapping back up. That—I mean it’s just—it feels good, you know to—you know, to—to know that you put absolutely, you know, in to everything. And then you don’t have any regrets. It’s just like, “Man, that’s pretty good.” I mean, you can’t—things that you can control such as what you put into it, how you treat others and gratitude and perspective, things like that. They all work together and–you live a pretty happy life.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I can see where the work ethic of sports probably transition over and really helped you with that.

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely.  You know, competition, dealing with failure—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Dealing with rejections, it’s gonna happen but, man, just keep going. You know in baseball, that’s—uh—that’s another one. That’s how uh—you know, dealing with failure, just being resilient, you know___ I was so scared–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, you did great. You did great, man. Last question for me: If you’re on a desert island and you only can bring one supplement. Now, this may be hard for you with your concoction and drinks in the morning. If you could bring only one thing, what will it be?

Andy Hnilo: Spir—Hawaiian spirulina.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Andy Hnilo: I mean we’re talking—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Spirulina.

Andy Hnilo: I mean we’re talking vitamin A, beta carotene,  B12, B6,  I mean, you’re gonna have a toothbrush but yeah—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ha ha

Andy Hnilo: You mix that with—hopefully some clear water on that island and I—I mean I’—oh, and it has the highest protein content uh—per uh—per body—I mean per cup it’s a—yeah, very high protein content with that. Do you know that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. I did not know. I did not know that, but that’s amazing. That’s great.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Have something everyday. So people are really jazzed up. They wanna learn more about how to improve their skin health and learn more about you and and get your products. Where’s the best way to do that?

Andy Hnilo: Sure. So our website is alituranaturals.com0020 and that’s A-L-I-T-U-R-A N-A-T-U-R-A-L-S.COM and @andyhnilo.That’s A-N-D-Y H-N-I-L-O on facebook, twitter, instagram. Uh—I love any questions that you may have, please reach out. Info at alituranaturals.com I definitely wanna give your audience a 15% discount. What’s uh—so just wanna call it uh—“Wellness15”?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We can call it “Wellness 15”. I’ll put the link below as well as the promo code below and people can use that. That’s perfect.

Andy Hnilo: Sounds good. If you have any questions, anything like that, please reach out. This is my baby. I love what I do. It’s—it’s—I—I encourage you to ask questions.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Andy, I appreciate that you know, I’m an entrepreneur myself helping patients and I just—appreciate the energy that you embody trying to create this great product to help people kinda get their health to the next level. So that’s great.

Andy Hnilo: Well, yeah. No, I throw it right back to you. You’re making people’s lives better. And that’s a—it feels good. That’s fun, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, Andy, thanks for a great interview. I appreciate it.

Andy Hnilo: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take Care.


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Skin Care with Kevin Gianni – Podcast #23    

In this episode Dr. Baris interviewed the founder of Renegade Health, Kevin Gianni author and blogger on diet, fitness and natural health.  He has done extensive research and interviews with health experts and has studied different diets and protocols like vegan, raw food, fasting and more. 

In this podcast learn more about what type of diet is good for you and why we need to run blood tests to see if our diet is working for us.  Know the different sources of fermented foods and how it provides natural healthy bacteria for good health.   This episode also talked about a good skin care line that is all-natural, all-organic that really works best for our skin without the toxic chemicals.

In this episode we cover:

09:39   Blood Testings

14:02   Supplements for vegans

28:21   Fermented Foods and Probiotics

32:22   Detoxification and Skin Care

36:25   “Kale and Coffee”

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Baris Harvey:  Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Beyond Wellness Radio.  And today’s podcast I have an awesome interview with Kevin Gianni.  For today’s episode we do not have Dr. Justin.  He is actually at the Bulletproof Conference giving a presentation down in L.A.  So he will be a little mixed up by the time he got to his hotel or over his Skype connection.  But we are surely going to have an awesome interview for you.  Make sure that you guys go to beyondwellnessradio.com and make sure that you subscribe and get the latest because we do offer up a lot of bonuses and specials and you get the access to all of the interviews a lot earlier than just being tuned in to ITunes.  So make sure that you go ahead and do that.  Also go to justinhealth.com.  You can also find that clickable at beyondwellnessradio.com and that is where you can find all of Dr. Justin’s links.  He does functional medicine and it will be awesome if you guys have any questions for him as well.  You guys can go ahead and leave him questions and also get a free 15-minute consultation.  Again you guys can also work with me.  You guys can go to reallyhealthynow.com and leave me a contact if you have any nutritional concerns and wanted to discuss that.  So on with today’s radio show, Kevin Gianni how is it going today?

Kevin Gianni:  Great, Baris.  How are you doing?

Baris Harvey:  I am doing very well.  The first thing that I always want to ask our guest is, “What is your story?”  Kind of give the background of what got you into wanting to become healthier and then kind of try to change the world, right?  And send a healthy message.  What brought you into the health space?

Kevin Gianni:  Well for me, when I was younger I played sports in high school and then I played football, basketball and tennis.  And I was always really into fitness.  So I was always working out.  I was running.  You know just really focusing on that side of it.  But my idea of a healthy energy-boosting snack before a tennis match was a pack of Twinkies and a Mountain Dew.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hum.

Kevin Gianni:  So you know the nutrition side, you can probably say was a little bit lacking.  And add to that, I used to drive my mom’s Caravan with my tennis partner, my doubles partner right after school.  After our snack and we would smoke a cigarette and then we play tennis.  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  (Laughs) Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  Somehow we made it to the stage but you know I do not know. I am sure I could have been a lot better if I actually did focus on both parts of fitness and in nutrition.  And so that kind of spurred my interest.  I met my wife after I had run a marathon and I have hurt my leg.  And I was working a job but I did not really like it.  And I said, “You know, we can be personal trainers.”  Because I am the one in the gym that everyone’s always asking questions about.  She is an athletic trainer.  The two of us together we thought could make a pretty good team and we did.  We were in Southern Connecticut and we were personal trainers for a bunch of years and then we just got a little bit tired working one to one with people about health.  So we started to go online and started blogging about all our experiences.  Whatever we were doing.  Whatever diets we were into, whether it is raw foods or vegan or exercise, body weight exercises.  Everything that we are learning about we are blogging about.   That is kind of how all this came into be.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  Awesome.  It is funny how you have a similar story with me.  I was all about athletics when I was younger.  I still kind of am but that is what kind of drove me to be like, “Hmmm maybe the big box of pizza is not the best workout food.”  So you guys were trying to get your message out to the masses versus just doing a one-on-one thing.  When did you start to notice that the nutrition side was needed to be changed for you?  Because for me, I know I did not really changed my nutrition until I started gaining a lot of weight.  When I was younger I was like super lean and was able to do whatever I want because of my sports.  But after a while, my metabolism unfortunately did not hold up.  When did you notice that, “Hmm, maybe I should change my nutrition as well?”

Kevin Gianni:  Well, it happened twice.  First it happened when a friend of mine gave me a collection of MP3s and I popped them on to my IPod.  I was running still after college.  I was a personal trainer and I started running.  And I just went running again and he gave me these MP3s.  And every once in a while I will bring the IPod with me to run and so one day instead of listening to some music that I have I said, “Oh, maybe I should listen to some of these MP3s”.  And the information that was on some of these audio were just so mind blowing to me.  It was so simple but so mind blowing in the same kind of space that I just totally, my mind just totally switched about nutrition.  I just was not thinking about nutrition in that way.  And the audios were by David Wolfe.  They may be part of David Wolfe’s, known some of his work.  And so that kind of put me into a really interesting space because I was already healthy.  I mean had very little body fat.  I have a friend, you know, like doing the calipers on me.  And he was just like, “Wait a minute.”  He was a personal trainer, too.  “Wait a minute.”  I have never seen anyone at this reading.  I think it was like one percent or some five percent.  Almost maybe too low depending on what your opinion is.  And so I just said, “Well, maybe I will just try this broccoli thing that he is talking about.”  Because if I am healthy now and it feels good I want to be even more healthy.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  And so I went on this long experiment of vegan and raw food and that was not fully raw for 6 years but I was definitely vegan for that long.  And it was an interesting experience.  My wife and I, we traveled around the country interviewing different health experts trying to kind of get to the heart of what the best diet for any human being is.  And along the way my health actually started to decline.  So I started to get some adrenal fatigue which I did not recognize what it was at that time.  I just knew that I was tired.  I was not able to get out of bed.  I was grumpy.  I was just feeling strange.  Just you know, kind of, I would fly off the handle quickly and I get angry at things very fast.  I just did not know what was happening.  And eventually it got so bad that I needed to go to a doctor.  And luckily, we have traveled around and we have seen so many fantastic health practitioners.  I had a Rolodex.  Well, not a Rolodex, that is an old term.  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  (Laughs)

Kevin Gianni:  I did not really have a Rolodex.  I had a hypothetical or imaginary Rolodex of all these people that I could call.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  And so I called Dr. James Williams, J. E. Williams who is a not only a colleague but a friend.  And he ran some of my blood.  He did some blood testings for me.  And this was kind of my first foray into functional medicine.  I have known about Dr. Mark Hyman for a long time and Ultra Wellness was the book.  But what really influenced me as well was the one before that with Dr. Mark Liponis.  I knew about it but I have never really fully bought into it.  And so Dr. Williams did ran a whole bunch of blood test on me.  When I got them back, you know, the proof was kind of right there on the paper.   All the blood markers he pulled maybe, I do not know, 30 or 40.  The evidence was right there that what my diet was not healthy for me.  And my Pregnenolone was in a 6 which is like the equivalent of an 85 year old man.  And I am at that time was 31.  (Laughs)  Like even serious things happening and I do not really know what would happen if I continued any longer.  So, that kind of spurred me on what do I do next.  It is really tough to be in a situation where you were eating a diet for so long and just get indoctrinated by the philosophy behind it and then you look at the numbers on the paper and just say, “Wow! I do not know I am doing it wrong?  Or it is just not working for me.”

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  Yes, so I kind of have two questions on that but one I kind of go into a question that I wanted to prepare for and I noticed that even on your side at the renegadehealth.com that you supply testing as well.  And this is probably one of those reasons why you found it important because it is important to you for your transformation in your journey going along.  But just to explain to the listeners, why is testing so important?

Kevin Gianni:  It is important for two reasons.  One is more like a scientific kind of reason.  The other is just almost like a mind, just a chilling out kind of like mind relaxing reason.  I tell you it is a mind relaxing reason to begin with.  So anyone who is listening to this or anyone who listens to health podcasts or watches videos or reads blogs, health blogs online, health books or whatever, there is always this argument about diet.  You know, what diet is right?  And there are so many camps.  I mean there is low carb.  There is high carb.  There is vegan. There is Mediterranean.  There is Atkins.  Paleo.  There are all these diets that people are trying.  And for me, the blood test I kind of describe as the ultimate proof that your diet is working and it gives you permission to try any diet that you want and if it works for you, you can run with it.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  There is just one thing.  You know one thing that I cannot stand is like sitting at the dinner table around the holidays and listening to Uncle Tom, you know, who has read like half of a health book in his life talking about the benefits of protein, you know.  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  It is like, you know, suddenly you are a vegan and you are in front of your family members and they are suddenly telling you what you should be doing in your diet.  And you have been around the country for two and a half years and interviewed hundreds of health experts.  And their reference is like CNN or Fox News for health.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.

Kevin Gianni:  And within that, when someone is challenging you about your diet there is always this thing where you just like, “Uh-hmm.  Are they right?”

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  You know there is always this kind of like, “Wait a minute.”

Baris Harvey:  Yes, where you are second guessing.  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  Exactly.  And so the blood test really gives you a piece of mind.  I think it allows you to continue doing what you are doing or it gives you a pre-warning sign.  You know, so not when it is too late.  But if you know how to read them correctly as a good functional medicine doctor would or even a health practitioner.  These days everyone’s getting in this which is just great.   You can adjust your course before it gets too bad.  And that is where it gets into the, you know, the second reason, the more scientific reasons that our audience are trying to maintain a homeostasis.  And if they are not maintaining that you will see it on the blood test, and then you can make minor or large adjustments in the diet and tweak just enough so you can stay healthy.  Because I mean the ultimate goal is to live long, happy and healthy, right?  So by doing a protocol blood testing on a yearly or twice a year, or for some people who are sick maybe they need to do it even more frequently.  What that does is it kind of narrows your course.  So you just do not shoot off too far in one direction and then shoot back across the other way.  You kind of can stay within these parameters of optimal wellness or beyond wellness, I guess that is right?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  Definitely.  And for listeners out there the previous episode if you did not listen, we talked about Functional Lab Testing 101.  Yes.  Definitely.  That is a really good one.   I did not even think about the peace of mind thing where we can think, “Oh, do I have or are my markers right?”  I can kind of assume I feel good but I do not know.   But if you get the blood work done, and you get the salivary test and all the different metabolic markers tested then you can actually see like, “Okay, I am on track or okay there is something messed up that I did not know about.  And I can feel even better than I do now.”

Kevin Gianni:  Well, you can save money, too.  I mean that is another big thing.  If your vitamin D levels are fine you can pause your vitamin D supplements.  Or if your B12 is good, folate, I mean like if your B vitamins are fine you do not need to take your multivitamin or super green grass herb, you know, that kind of whatever.  And then you can look at that as a decision that you make to like so and I am not knocking super green herbs supplements.  I take them.  Believe me.  Then you can make that decision based on not like a fear-based kind of thing like, “Oh my gosh, do I have enough?”  It is like, “Oh, I just want to add this in.”  And that is coming from a much better a place.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  And speaking of supplements and you talked about being vegan and raw vegan in the past.  What are some supplements that you noticed might be important for someone who is out there who is a vegan listening to the show or maybe a raw food vegan?  What might be important for them to take?  Because there are going to be some vitamins that we know like vitamin B12 they might be low in iron.  Some of these nutrients that are hard to get from plant-based foods.  What are some supplements that you think might be beneficial for vegans?

Kevin Gianni:  The first thing, of course, before the supplements is when anyone is doing an extreme diet like vegan or raw food, and look, I think just any healthy diet can be considered extreme just because not too many other people are doing it, right?  A Paleo can be extreme as well.  You know, so I am not just calling out like eating raw food is extreme.  Because I think you know in the outskirts of diet there are actually some really good places that are extremes.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmmm.

Kevin Gianni:  But first off, get your blood tested. Do not mess around.  So you are doing something that needs to be monitored.  You need some because it is like you are moved from just like surviving to now you need to be and then you put yourself in a scientific experiment.  So you need to monitor yourself.  So that is like the first thing to do.  With supplement, yes I mean a lot of people talk about B12.  People who eat meat as well can be deficient in B12.  I have seen studies.  I mean, you never know some of these studies but I have seen everything from like 15% to like 80% deficient.  (Laughs)  So I do not know the numbers there but I mean the blood test will be able to tell you.  You know, if you yourself are deficient and forget about whether half of the population is or not.  You know, vitamin D could be one that a lot of people need to.  You know for some people a plant-based protein is really good because you metabolize fast.  You are a fast metabolizer if you are hot.  If you are more like in the Ayurvedic space like a Pitta type body type, warmer, sweatier, more fiery.  Those types of people definitely need some extra protein.  We can get it from plant-based foods, too.  I mean it is not like you just need to go straight to supplements, or to a protein supplement but those type of people definitely function better with higher protein in their diet.  Omega 3 is always a big one.  You can get some plant-based omega 3 as well.  Or if you are just not vegan enough to be able to accept like krill oil or something like that then that can be something that you can take as well.   But there are also some plant-based essential fatty acids that are good as well from algae.  So those are like the main ones.  But that is not always the main ones for everyone, right?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  Those are things, like the first that you would tick off the dial if you need to get healthy, right?

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  And like you said that usually does not mean something everybody takes.  Like I take, you know the fish oil capsule and my buddy who is a vegan he is going to take an algae thing to get some extra omega 3.  So, definitely, definitely important things to take.  I am going to go back real quick.  You were talking about your traveling across the country interviewing different experts, interviewing different ideas.  So two things.  One, you are recording all of these interviews on your camera, right?

Kevin Gianni:  Yes.

Baris Harvey:  So you have this massive, massive content on YouTube that people can find.  They just search Kevin Gianni or Renegade Health or they can find your YouTube page.  The second thing, how were you selecting your experts and was it like just recommendations off the same thing or are you getting a lot of varied ideas?  And how would that change like on a week to week or day to day basis on how you ate?  Like if you just went to one doctor and said, “Oh, now like kale is the most awesome food in the world.”   And the next guy says, “Well, it has all these things that mess with your thyroid.”

Kevin Gianni:  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  Like how do you go?  Would you just buy a bunch of kale one week and the next say like, “Oh, I made a mistake!”  And then the next week say, “Oh I need more.” How was this kind of journey going on?

Kevin Gianni:  (Laughs) I have this kind of a duality kind of principle about all these.  It is like you trust very deeply but disbelieve at the same time.  It is kind of like this thing where I kind of define the edges.  I think it helps because believing, you know, we could go into one doctor’s office and set up the camera and listen to something and I would be just totally into it.  I would be totally convinced this is exactly what I need for my health.  And I would go out and I make it a point to do my best.  And let us say I do about 80% of the time.  When I do an interview with someone I do one of the things that they mention.  It is just ingrained in me now like that is what I could do.  I do it every time I read a book, too.  When you read a book that could be like a thousand things you can do.  I just pick one and I do it.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  And if a want to revisit it I can.  If not it is fine, too.  But that is really kind of what I focus on.  It is just like one thing.  So you go to one doctor and they say just like you said, “Eat a lot of kale.  Raw kale.  Eat it with your smoothies.  Drink it with your green juice.”  And then you go to the next doctor two days later in Cleveland or if you are driving up through Ohio or something from Columbus to Cleveland and then the next doctor said, “Well, you should not be eating it raw because now it is going to damage your thyroid and you are going to be sluggish.”  And you are just like, “Whoa!  Wait a minute!”  And so for me, I always take the baseline of kind of longevity studies.  And that is where this new book that will be out in July 2015.  I wanted to separate myself from like the minutiae, like the little details and then take a larger look at kind of everything.  That is all our diets and what it kind of comes down with.  But the thing that we want, again, what most of us really want is longevity.  So it is that long, healthy, happy life.  And so for me, what is the best way to figure out what that is?  Well, it is just fine cultures of actually live long, healthy, happy, right? (Laughs)  And then see when they do it almost try to be constructive a little bit.  Unfortunately, when you go to the studies of some of these cultures what you realize is they do not give a crap about nutrition.  (Laughs)  They are going to eat what is there.

Baris Harvey:  Exactly it is just like, “Oh, this is what is food on the mountain.”

Kevin Gianni:  Right.  Which is why I think it kind of gets us into trouble because I have seen it in Peru when I have spent some time with the Caral. The Carals was long lived as some of the people from the blue zones, you know like Dan Buettner’s book with the people like the Okinawans, the Nicoyans, Sardinians or Loma Linda, the Seventh Day Adventist in Loma Linda, California.  But the Caral, they were longer lived before they started coming down from the mountains up in the Andes into the cities.  And I have been around some of my Caral friends who, they will be up in the mountains and they will be eating just like Apopka and potatoes and like 80 to 90% of their diet is of potatoes.  And then they will come down into the city and they will just walk into like a little corner shop and just buy junk foods.  You know what I mean?  I do not think it is just a thing like it is just food. (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Kevin Gianni:  And they just eat it.  Whatever it is that is just available they will eat.  And obviously there is this sensory kind of explosion that comes with high salt or high sugar or high fat kind of foods.  So I always go back to these very basic kind of friends like, “Well, alright what would the Okinawan do?  Or what would someone from Sardinia doing?”   And they just would eat like real food.  You know, what I mean.  Like you know my friend Sean Croxton said you just need real food.  So with that baseline it is real easy to kind of explore but also just always know that is the bottom line.  Lots of plants, you can eat some meat it is great.  Do not eat too much oil; you do not need too much.  And salt is okay.  But you do not need like totally blowout, you know.  Just neutral with salt.  And just enjoy your life.  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  Right.

Kevin Gianni:  Really comes as a simple equation.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  So that really kind of guides you to just eat raw food from like becoming orthorexic and getting crazy into these things.  I could guess if we go to different experts and then like, “Yes, I am going to take this tactic and implement it now.”  And then you have a lot of people switching what you are thinking.   There might have been a period in time where there might have been a little orthorexia in there, right?  Maybe, I do not know.

Kevin Gianni:  For me, yes.  I mean I remember I would be sitting in the RV, at this time I was a full raw food vegan.  So I have this big bowl of salad.  And I mean this thing was, I probably could have fed a horse, right?

Baris Harvey:  (Laughs)

Kevin Gianni:  And I would sit there and I would chew this salad for an hour.  Take an hour, an hour and a half.  But I would literally look at the clock and then I would just eat and I am going to be thinking about things and then I would just maybe read something and still eating and still eating.  And I just get up and, “My gosh, I just spent an hour of this day eating, one twenty fourth of this day eating this nacho salad.”  And what was crazy about it is that about 30 minutes since eating that salad I was wondering what the heck I was going to eat for dinner.

Baris Harvey: (Laughs)

Kevin Gianni: Because I was just so consumed about my food, right?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  And that is orthorexia.  You know what I mean.  So, I was so concerned about it.  So what happened was after all these stuff kind of happened and I have adrenal fatigue and then I started to go off with vegan diet kind of just was a little bit disheartened by everything.  And I am like, “Well, this extreme diet did not work the way it would everyone.”  Well, not everyone but the people that I was talking to would tell me to do this super powerful longevity diet.  I might as well eat literally like I want as long as it is organic.   That is just like eat real foods maybe like squared or something like that so make it double.  And that does not work either.  You know, there is definitely a sort of conscious moderation that needs to be put into play when you are consuming real food, too.  Because again you know based on some of our genetic response, a little bit, our bodies respond to factors like taking the genetics too far.  Let us say, well, you know we are all just so super individuals.  I do not know how super individuals we are.  There definitely is a collection of types.  You know, whether five or ten, or twenty or forty even a hundred.  You know, there are definitely collection types of people.  So you cannot just follow a whatever-goes-diet if it is organic.  I will not.  And there are some rules that you cannot pass by for your health.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  It is funny.  Something that I would like to say when I would compare myself to Harvey’s it is like, “Oh, well, like a polar bear is going to eat a bunch of meat and a panda bear is going to eat a bunch of bamboo.”  So that one is like vegan and one is carnivorous.  But neither of them is eating McDonald’s.  You know what I mean?

Kevin Gianni:  True.

Baris Harvey:  So there is kind of like the individuality part.  But then we know out of baseline kind of thing where it is okay but we know generally most people should eat this type of way.  But there is still your kind of genetic individual kind of spectrum as well.

Kevin Gianni:  I think the most solid piece of dietary evidence that I found through all of the research I have done, all of the interviews that I have done is that the diet is not what is getting you to be healthy per se.  It is what you need out of your diet, right?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  So, if you look at all the different peoples who are eating and living long.  So, the Okinawans, you know, at one point they were eating 85% of their diet of sweet potato.  Then you look at the Nicoyans who tend to eat rice, beans just typical life in Central and South American kind of cuisine.  And then when you look at the Greek and Sardinian people who are eating, you know, just again a lot of fresh vegetables and some meat.  I mean the medium is different, the food is different.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  So it is not like you can just pin all your health on one food.  It is not just like goji berries are the most important berry in the world.  It is no, they are not.  I mean there are blueberries which are amazing and they grow in New Jersey and they grow in all these places that are local to Americans but we go to goji berry from China.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  It is funny that you said that because my girlfriend, she is a Nicaraguan and you mentioned that a lot that is in the American cultures.  You may be eating like rice and beans and it is totally different than if I was just preaching like, “Hey, well, you are supposed to be Paleo.”  And we eat meat and we do not eat beans or legumes or rice and it is like, “Whoa, maybe that is what her family’s generation after generation after generation has eaten.”  And so sometimes it might be hard to change something like that and maybe it is okay for her to eat a little bit more of that than I would be able to handle.

Kevin Gianni:  Yes.

Baris Harvey:  Definitely.  So I want to talk about probiotics real quick.  I know that this is something that continually grows in the market.  I never really watch so much TV but when I do I will see even a commercial on probiotics or even like your plain yoghurt would probably say something about like they have probiotics in their yoghurt or what not.  Can we talk about probiotics real quick and then talk about where can we find rich probiotic sources in our food?  And whether it is more important to make sure that we are getting that in our food first.

Kevin Gianni:  Yes.  I definitely subscribe to that sort of belief system and there are probiotics out there that can be kind of like therapeutic probiotic.  But for me, getting my healthy bacteria from fermented foods is absolutely the first place to go.  And I have heard so many stories.  I have known Donna Gates for a long time.  And I have interviewed Sandor Katz a few times and I have just heard so many stories about people healing from eating just a regular dose of healthy bacteria every day.  But for me, again it is one of those things that if you were to put the top 10 list of things that are good for your health.  I mean again, I have talked about what you need out of your diet is more important but probiotics is probably up in there.  Maybe in the mid, between 7 and 5.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  Can you name some…

Kevin Gianni:  You want me to name some foods?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  For me just cultured vegetables.  I mean just eating some sauerkraut; homemade sauerkraut, raw sauerkraut and not the sauerkraut that you will find in a plastic a bag at the grocery store.  It is probably by far the best.  And you can put this on anything.  You can put it on a salad.  You can put it on whatever you are eating.  It literally just goes with absolutely everything.  And that is the first one.  Sometimes I have some kefirs.  I do not drink a lot of dairy or eat a lot of dairy anymore.  To me it just does not settle that well.  I am not saying that people should or should not eat it.  So kefirs can be really good. And it is always best if you made them.  Here in the Bay Area there are always someone who does it better than you, right?  (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  Right.

Kevin Gianni:  You can find it somewhere.  But that is not the same for everywhere.  So, if you are not in the area where you can access this then you are going to have to make it yourself because it is better.  Because you know that the bacteria are thriving.  But that is really important.  And that is why I get skeptical about some of the probiotic supplements just because you know a lot of the ones that you are just going to find at maybe in your local health food store.  But definitely you know some of the other places if someone is walking into Trader Joe’s or something like that I would be really concerned buying your supplements there.  But you know, I question the effectiveness of these bacteria in the actual strength of the strain if you are buying them off the shelf at a grocery store.  And that is not to say that you should not do that, I am just saying it is really good to add in.  It is almost like an insurance policy to add in the fermented foods as well.   So you can actually be pretty darn sure that you are getting what you need.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  And like in diverse kind of foods and also I know a lot of people sometimes if they are on a more strict kind of diet sometimes they feel like they are limited.  Well, try some probiotic foods out and it really enhances the flavor of your food as well.  So it is really a good idea.  I wanted to go into skin care and detoxification real quick.  I know that nowadays there are so many new toxic ingredients put into just everything that are introduced to earth because of man-made toxic chemicals that we created.  And sometimes we start to fix all of the things wrong with our diet but then we are still smearing like horrible stuff on our skin.  You with your wife actually came out with an all‑organic and all-natural skin care line.  Can you tell me a little bit about it and why you guys came up with it as well?

Kevin Gianni:  Well, we are eating a healthy diet.  Well, at least a healthy diet we thought was healthy.  But we are definitely purists at that time and to some degree I still am.  And we were getting a lot of questions.  That is right; we are getting a lot of questions as we are doing our videos people would ask me and Marie, “What are you putting on your skin?”  And I never would have thought of skin care.  As a guy it just never really came out across my radar.  I was focused on food now and I was focused on some fitness before so like skin care I just did not get it.  I mean, like we just use soap in the shower, right?  And you wash your hair with shampoo, you know.  (Laughs)  So that is my extent of body care.  And so we started to look around for a product that we can just recommend.  And once we started doing that we realized that there was a lot of shady stuff going on in the skin care industry including when we decided finally not to actually just represent a line.  We decided that we wanted to create our own.  We went to formulators and we would get a list of ingredients that we would look at them like, “This is not what we want.”  And they said, “Well, you do not have to put a couple of these on the labels.  It is fine.”   And we said, “Whoa!  Wait a minute.” (Laughs)  What on earth is happening?  This is like a bizarre world.  This is not how I do business or this is not even how I am as a person.  You know what I mean?

Baris Harvey:  Yes.

Kevin Gianni:  This is crazy, totally for me.  It is like under reporting your taxes or something, you know.  It is just stuff that you do not do.  So we ended up finally running into an organic spa in Arizona and Annmarie found a line which was used, “Oh, my gosh!  They just absolutely made them.  And so we contacted the owner of the company and we said, “Can we sell it?  Can we have it on our online stores?”  And she said, “No, we only sell to spas.”  So we were really disappointed and hung up the phone and the next day I was like, “Wait a minute!  Why don’t we ask her if she can help us formulate a line?”   And so we called her back and she said, “Sure!”  So it was kind of like, “What did we ask her the first time?  Why did not she recommend she could do that for us?  Maybe she did not think we would.  So we did that with her and since then it has been five years now.  We have been providing this super natural organic but beyond organic kind of products.  But a lot of people are really enjoying it which makes us very happy.  Nontoxic, none of that garbage in there and everything is on the label, you know.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  The way it is supposed to be, right?

Kevin Gianni:  Uh-hmm.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  That makes a big difference.  And you guys can find that at Annmarie Gianni or just annmariegianni.com kind of like Marchegiani, has the same Italian last name.  So, yes definitely.

Kevin Gianni:  Uh-hmm.

Baris Harvey:  So you also have a book coming out in the future like you mentioned called “Kale and Coffee”.  Can you tell us just a little bit about that and what would we be looking out for?

Kevin Gianni:  Yes.  This book is kind of the synthesis of my extreme diet, getting it healthy and then turning around and saying it is good.  I am just going to eat whatever I want as long as it is organic and then gaining 30-35 pounds and even more depending on where you started.  Like when I was eating raw food I was like 160 pounds and then I got up to 223.  So I mean, I am not going to count like good 20 pounds from like 160 to 180 because that was like underweight, right?  But I have totally flipped the switch and went off on the other side just because I was tired of it.  I really was just done.  And then of course when you are 30 to 100 pounds over your ideal body weight you do not feel comfortable or do not feel good either.  And it was very strange to me because I have never felt that way.  And I have worked with people who, you know, were even 120, 130, 140 pounds overweight and I just did not really feel, at that time I did not feel the way I think I can feel a little bit more for them.  I almost wanted to go back and call my personal training clients and apologize a little bit and just say I did not even understand, you know.  And so when I kind of put that sort of hat on, I wanted to see how I could get back to being healthy in where I could have the healthy things that I really like for my healthy lifestyle or my extreme diet lifestyle.  But also kind of have a little bit of, “Hey, you know what?  I can do this.”  So just to give up some of the real strict kind of diet and have some of the things that I really just did not want to live without.  And for someone, for anyone listening that could mean anything.  For someone that could be a little bit of carbohydrates, to be able to have sugar, to be able to have coffee, can be a little wine, beer or whatever.  You know, whatever your thing is.  And so I went back and I re-analyzed everything.  I looked back at almost all my interviews and I did new research and I came up with this book that essentially just picks out the most important things that you can do to live that long, healthy and happy life.  And that kind of puts aside all the other stuff.  There were a lot of research about different foods and particularly categories of foods like sugar and carbs, gluten, coffee, alcohol.  And I just analyzed them and really kind of come down to the conclusion about whether these are healthy or not.

Baris Harvey:  Yes.  Definitely.  So you mentioned that thing in your book because I know that it is unique and different for everybody.  And you had adrenal fatigue in the past.  You mentioned coffee.  For you, how does that kind of plan, how does that work for you?  Or if it does not work for you what are some alternatives?

Kevin Gianni:  I want coffee to work for me so badly. (Laughs)

Baris Harvey:  (Laughs)

Kevin Gianni:  I want it to work.  And I have tried so many ways for it to work.  But for me because I do tend to have adrenal type, whether I just am an adrenal type, I tend to get adrenal fatigue very fast.  Caffeine, it is just not good for me.  And even green tea.  When I was writing the book like I was not even drinking coffee anymore because I knew that would just make me a total monster.  But I was drinking green tea and I got to the point where I was starting to feel how I feel if I drink coffee on an extended period of time.  And so I just kind of stepped back from that.  You know, when I drink caffeine I get heart palpitations.  It could be a genetic thing actually.  So for me, it is just you know that side of my life is almost over.  I still would have green tea every once in a while but for me I just know I cannot do coffee.  But with that said, for the book I did interview Dave Asprey and we did talk about mycotoxins in coffees.

Baris Harvey:  Uh-hmm.

Kevin Gianni:  And I told him the grains and beans that we eat they do tend to sit in place for a while sometimes before we even get them into our pots and pans at home. And so you do know your better options.  I think Dave’s coffee is a better option.  David Wolfe has a longevity coffee which I think is a better option.   So there are better options.  But for me it is just one of those things, it is just not on that list of things that I can still have. (Laughs)  You know what I mean?

Baris Harvey:  Yes. Definitely.

Kevin Gianni:  It is disappointing.  Every once in a while I will have a cup of coffee but I have come to a point now where I just know that I need to stay away or else it is just going to make me feel miserable.

Baris Harvey:  Yes. Definitely.  So, for you out there, you guys can get genetic testings.  I know there is 23andMe and there are some other companies.  But sometimes you can just tell.  Like I have not done that test yet but I can tell I am probably a fast metabolizer of caffeine just because I can drink coffee and go to sleep.

Kevin Gianni:  Yes.

Baris Harvey:   I have like the exact opposite results.  I know there are some people that are like, “Yes, I can drink green tea and sometimes get jittery.”  And it is like, “Okay, yes.”  So if you are in tuned with your body sometimes you just know.

Kevin Gianni:  You just know.  And I am a slow metabolizer of caffeine.  So I have that mutation in my, oh, actually I do not know if that one is a mutation or it is just normal.  I do not know which one is but I have it. (Laughs)  I have this slow metabolism with coffee.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, definitely.  So for the listeners out there, you guys can find Kevin at the Renegade.  Is it Renegade Health show on your YouTube, right?

Kevin Gianni:  It is Renegade Health show on YouTube and it is renegadehealth.com on the web.

Baris Harvey:  Definitely.  Go there and then also Annmarie Gianni for the skin care line.  Do you have any other sites that we can point you at or are those all?

Kevin Gianni:  No, man.  That is it.

Baris Harvey:  Yes, you got a lot of stuff online and a lot of content.  And like I said you have a thousand videos on YouTube.  It is great.

Kevin Gianni:  It is 937 I think.

Baris Harvey:  Oh, there you go, yes.  It will be where your podcasts so get there soon.  Yes. Definitely.  And then also, yes you have a podcast.  Is that also called the Renegade Health Show?

Kevin Gianni: It is Renegade Health Radio that is on ITunes.

Baris Harvey:  Definitely.  You guys subscribe there as well.  Kevin, thank you so much for coming on the show today.  And for the listeners out there make sure you go to Beyond Wellness Radio, subscribe and go to ITunes and give us a rating.  It really helps to get the show out and boost our visibility to other people so we can get this message out.  So thank you guys so much.

 


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