Busting Heavy Metals Myths | Podcast #196

Welcome to a functional medicine podcast with Dr. J and Evan Brand! Watch this video as they geek out on today’s topic, Heavy Metals, to clear some myths and misconceptions about the big ones, such as Aluminum, Arsenic, Cadmium, Lead, and Mercury. Listen as they also talk about some of the significant ways to support detoxification.

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

00:30    The Big Ones

03:00    Sources of Heavy Metals

05:10    Heavy Metals and Cognitive Issues

11:52    Linked Major Infertility Issues

28:10   Dental Amalgams, Flu Vaccinations, and Various Chemicals

17:25   Inside Out Hyperbarics and Wellness Center In a Picture

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys. It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. Evan Brand, how are we doing today?

Evan Brand: Hey, man. Happy Monday to you. We’re gonna talk about heavy metals. I’ve been geeking out on this, and I thought, “Why don’t we cover this ‘cause there’s a lot of myths and misconceptions about heavy metals and…”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Evan Brand: …a lot of fear-mongering about heavy metals.” So maybe we can clear some things up today and answer some questions.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. So we’ll go over some of the major sources for our more toxic heavy metals. This will include uh—Aluminum, Arsenic, Cadmium, Lead, Mercury—those are kind of like our big ones— and some of the major ways we can kind of help support detoxification. And, you know, we talked about the vectors. We’ll talk about the detoxification. A lot of the unspoken things is actually good digestion. Right? A lot of metals are removed via our hepatobiliary system, which is our liver and gallbladder dumping out into our gut as well. So we need healthy digestion, healthy gut function to be able to eliminate metals as well. So a lot of people just think, “Hey, let’s do this fancy chelating program or this IV or this or that, but having good digestion can actually help eliminate a lot of our toxins out our stool better. We have healthier transit time. We have less leaky gut so there’s less of these metals get reabsorbed into our body and create uhm—you know, ideally, less immune issues when our gut’s healthier.

Evan Brand: Yeah. One thing that we test for— We run a stool test on every new client, and one thing we look for is a marker called beta-glucuronidase, which is an enzyme that goes elevated usually in the presence of bacterial overgrowth— they’re some other type of gut issue. And what it indicates if it’s elevated is that the person is reabsorbing toxins. So this would include heavy metals, meaning, if you buy some fancy detox tea or detox protocol, but you have elevated beta-glucuronidase because you have a gut infection or, like Justin said, your gut’s not working properly, you’re recirculating all of this stuff. And if you’re not pooping on a daily basis, preferably twice a day but at least once a day— if you’re not doing that, it doesn’t matter how perfect your heavy metal detox protocol is. You’ve got to fix these big foundational pieces first before a detox will work.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: One hundred percent. And then, just another simple aspect is, the solution to pollution is dilution. Drink enough good quality water and good healthy minerals, whether some sea salt or trace mineral support supplement, that’s gonna be helpful as well just to kind of keep your body keep flushing things out.

Evan Brand: Just sip on water all day. I mean, some people argue like you could just chug water, but I don’t know. I don’t think you’re gonna get the same benefit as just constantly sipping on it. Do you have any— any thoughts on it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, I think it depends. I mean, you know, you’re gonna absorb it. If you’re drinking a whole bunch of cold water before meal, or whatever, that cold water’s gonna sit in your stomach a lot longer and get heated up to your body temperature. ‘Cause if it’s, you know, dropping 50 or 60-degree water into your intestinal tract, that’s really cold. That may disrupt your digestion so it will just sit on your stomach for a while ‘til it gets to room temperature. So I think if it’s more room temperature kind of stuff, you could probably go faster. If it’s colder, you probably want to sip it more.

Evan Brand: Yup. Let’s talk about some of the sources of heavy metals. People may hear the topic of heavy metals and think that it’s some like new ones that doesn’t apply to them because they eat organic and they live somewhere where they think it’s not an issue. But, literally, every single person on planet Earth has heavy metals. We’re even seeing in some of the whale blubber samples taken from the Arctic that there’s PCB’s and dioxins and heavy metals and other chemicals, even in untouched places of the planet where mankind has never stepped foot. So let’s go through some of these together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Let’s start with the—what I consider the more toxic heavy metals. So, Aluminum’s one, for instance. So Aluminum i—is actually still common in vaccinations. You’ll see it on the ingredients label as Aluminum hydroxide, so that’s still there for sure. You’re gonna see in some antiperspirants, in various deodorants, uh—Aluminum cookware, utensils, Aluminum foil is very common as well, uh—Aluminum cans as well. I still drink at some Aluminum cans, just because when I go in my boat or whatever, you know, you can’t quite bring a nice glass bottle ‘cause it may break and go in the water. So— It’s kind of a dose-dependency thing, so just do your best if you’re gonna drink out of Aluminum cans ‘cause they are convenient if you’re drinking a sparkling mineral water. It

’s nice, you know, you don’t have to worry about a breaking or cracking. Just try to follow the 80-20 rule on that. We talked about deodorant. We talked about toothpaste— another big one. Toothbr—Toothpaste uhm— sugar, uhm—refined sugar, you can get some Aluminum in that as well. Uhm— various medications, had it as well. Uhm—Anything else you want to highlight there? I mean, there’s a lot of different places you can get it— pesticides, medications, deodorants, ceramics. Just trying to think of the big, big ones-

Evan Brand: Yeah, dude.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -Aspirin—

Evan Brand: So, I’ve got— I’ve got a— a paper pulled up here that was from The American Journal of Epidemiology 2009, and it’s called, “Aluminum and Silica in Drinking Water, and the Risk of Alzheimer’s Disease or Cognitive Decline,” and it was like a 15-year study, and what they were saying is, just based on doing tap water—just everyday tap water exposure—They were looking at these people in Southern France, and it was almost 2,000 people that were studied, and of course, what they find is Aluminum intake significantly associated with increased risk of Dementia. So, when we hear heavy metals, people like, “Okay, yeah. I know heavy metals are bad. Why should I care?” Well, you should care because this stuff is affecting your brain. Like Klinghardt, I had him on the Candida summit. He talked about the Alzheimer’s. He talked about Dementia and these cognitive issues, and there’s a huge link to Aluminum. So, this is a big deal and it’s not something that you want to ignore. So, I—I put the link, Justin for you in the—in the—in the chat box, and then, we may be able to share it later on with the—with the listeners.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. So, I think—I think a big kind of take-home for the Aluminum is, number one, you’re vaccinations are gonna be a big factor. Uh— The antiperspirants, the Aluminum foil, the Aluminum cookware, uh—pesticides, chemicals, uhmconventional type of toothpaste—those are, I think, the big ones.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Anything you wanted to highlight there?

Evan Brand: Let’s move on to Cadmium because we see-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: -Cadmium a lot. We know that it does come from car exhaust fumes, and there are different ways that you can measure heavy metals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Evan Brand: Maybe we’ll talk about that in a minute but— I would say car exhaust is huge—a big, big, big source! I’ve also looked at a couple of papers where they studied people who lived close to the highway, or— get this— even more interesting, people who live close to a stop sign or a stoplight.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, really?

Evan Brand: Think of the car as it’s driving by, it’s probably not as big of a deal, but a car using it’s brake pads to stop at a stoplight or stop at a stop sign, that brake dust creates more toxic off-gassing into those houses that lived closer. So, they literally, on the same street, studied uh—the levels of metals in the person on the street, where they just have people pass by, and then they studied the people closer to the stop sign. The people closer to the stop sign have more— had— have more heavy metal exposure, just from the brake pads.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And, what was that study, Evan?

Evan Brand: Uh— Let me see if I can pull it up. It was on—It was on PubMed, one of my random search days. Let me see if I can find it though.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s crazy. Well, while you’re looking for it, other major sources. Cadmium— you can commonly get it in cigarettes and, potentially, marijuana, uh— ceramics, burning coal, instant coffee. It can be found in Amalgam fillings, pikes, fungicides or pesticides. You’re also gonna see it in some paints. You’re gonna see it in some oil. You’re gonna see it in various uhm— smelt ring, or—or kind of like soldering of canned foods. Uh—Also, our— our Cadmium’s also— c— Cigarettes, that can also be a big uh—affector of the prostate. I’ve seen some studies talking about Cadmium driving inflammation in the prostate as well.

Evan Brand: Here’s the—Here’s one of the papers. So this one is— It’s— It’s titled—This was in uh— 2012 International Journal of Environmental Public Health, and it’s titled, “Influence of Traffic Activity on Heavy Metal Concentrations of Roadside Farm Land Soil.” Basically, this one was different in the city one. This one was in the country and they were checking the soil, and they found that on certain roads that had a farm right next to the road-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Evan Brand: -and they found significantly higher Lead. Let me see what else here. I know Lead was the big one, which I guess, which is-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Evan Brand: -weird because maybe certain countries are still suing Lead in gasoline, where in the US, we’ve mainly got rid of Lead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [clicks tongue] I think—

Evan Brand: I put that one in the chat box.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think there is still some Lead in certain types of gasoline, not like maybe the conventional one but I think maybe in certain gasoline in—in jet fuel. I think there may still be Lead in like various jet fuels.

Evan Brand: Okay, okay, okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Not quite a hundred percent sure on that. I’ve seen some research showing that jet fuel is—is a source of Lead, so I have to imagine there are still got to be some in there.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I just put another link in—in your Skype chat or your uh—Google chat. People can’t see it, but it’s for you. And maybe you could post it in the YouTube, but it was people—This was uh—uh— LA Times article about freeway pollution and how far that it travels and it,a nd what they found this paper that they’re referencing here. They found that the uh—the traffic pollution drifts more than a mile from the freeway.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Yeah, I know right now in Austin, we have this issue with sub-Saharan-African dust. So, it’s this weird kind of thing—You can Google it— but you have this dust from like this kind of African area that’s like over Austin right now and parts of Central Texas. And there’s a lot of allergens in it, so people’s allergies right now really kind of in full effect because of this African dust.

Evan Brand: You’re saying this is literally coming from Africa and blowing-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: -around the planet?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, literally.

Evan Brand: Holy smokes!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: yeah, exactly. So, and it’s one of those things. We got to do our best to really create a healthy home environment.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So this uh— Sorry to interrupt you. This—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: It was UCLA who did this sp—specific study in California, and what they found is that, “In the nighttime, the winds change.” And so it was going over a mile drift from the highway. During the daytime, they said that the drift, you know, didn’t change as much. But basically, they’re measuring ultrafine particles, hydrocarbons, Nitric oxide, and other pollutants succumb from the car exhausts. So, I mean, really—you know, we could talk about all of the—the detox protocols and such, but why not talk about—you could just move. I mean, if you live right next to a highway, that’s probably not a good idea. So when you mentioned Cadmium, or we talked about Aluminum or Arsenic—Okay. You could—You could stay on a detox protocol, but if you’re close to the source, you’re just gonna keep getting re-infected, kind of like with gut bugs. Like, if you’re drinking contaminated water with Giardia, you could treat Giardia and you could end up with Giardia again.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, man. It may really depend, right? If you— If you want to be living in the city or if you have to work in what- a major hub like New York City or something, you know, that’s a sacrifice you’re gonna have to make. You’re gonna have to invest more on making sure water’s on board, uh—being on more detoxification support, whether it’s various binders, whether it’s activated charcoal or Chlorella or Glutathione precursors, or like kind of liver-tonifying support. You may have to frequent infrared sauna more to help your body kind of sweat some of these things out. You may have to invest in a really good air filtration device for your house or your apartment to kind of filter some of these things out. I have one by AdvancedAir that I like that works really good on—at justinhealth.com/shop. That’s good. I like it. It’s really affordable. There’s some more expensive ones. One called Molekule, uh—where there’s a “c”—in molekule, there’s a “k”, so “Molekule” with a “k”. That’s a good one. It’s a little more pricey though. So, find a really good air filtration device that you could put in your house or in your apartment to help at least combat some of these things. Make sure water and diet’s good. And you may want to look at detoxification support a little bit more frequently, and then find a place where you can frequent an infrared sauna maybe once a week, to help with that extra sweat.

Evan Brand: There’s major infertility issues linked to heavy metals too. So, you know, Justin’s already mentioned some symptoms. We talked about the Alzheimer’s connection. There’s fatigued. There’s gut symptoms that can happen. There’s sleep issues that can happen. But if you just go on PubMed on your own, you could just type in “Heavy Metals Fertility” and you’ll find that there’s [sic] miscarriages and other sorts of ovary and pituitary issues that happen from heavy metal exposure. And in some of these studies, what they do is they’ll ggive a woman some type of a chelator. This is not gonna be a natural chelator. This is gonna be like your typical uh— DMPS-type stuff, and then, they found that they were able to stop the woman from having uterine fibroids, miscarriages and other hormonal problems.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because—Because they chelated some of the metals down?

Evan Brand: That’s right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow-

Evan Brand: It was—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -it was powerful.

Evan Brand: Yeah. This was a long time ago. This was over uh—20 years ago that this was— that this has come out. This was journal and toxicology. Just type in “Heavy Metals Fertility,” and people can read about it. But this is real stuff, so it’s not just uh—a trendy bus word to work on metals, like we all have this.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And a lot of these metals, they have a similar mechanism, how they—they irritate or damage people, right? What are they doing? They’re affecting the Mitochondria. They’re jamming up the Mitochondria, making it harder to generate energy. So, it’s like taking uh—a five or four-lane highway into a one-lane highway. They’re jamming it up. Uh—Number two, they’re putting stress on your liver and on your detoxification system. Right. Of course, these compounds are flowing around the body. There’s more inflammation. More inflammation can mean brain fog. It can mean more leaky gut. Right? All of these various things are gonna be there. And of course, these uhm—metals have an effect to damaging neurological tissue. Potentially, brain fog, mood issue, cognitive stuff, maybe even increased autoimmune conditions, Multiple Sclerosis, other auto—other Dementia-like symptoms, there’s some connection with Aluminum. There’s some connection with Aluminum and Alzheimer’s and Dementia. There’s some connection with Mercury and other MS autoimmune neurological conditions. Again, the research on this, it’s like you can find one study that says it can and then another says that it can’t. Right? That’s the problem with the research, is if you’re in a certain industry and you want a certain result, you can pretty much rent the Ph.D. to adjust the sample size and to manipulate the studies uh—in a way to find what you want. So, if there’s a study showing something negative, and it makes sense to me how, you know, hate to see what they did. This is how they came up with the results. I’m always leery now if someone else find something different. I’m always like, “Oo—‘cause it was found once.” I’m always like—I always— No. I’m always on the side. If I—If it was found once, it probably is something that we have to be careful of.

Evan Brand: Yep. Yeah, that’s a good point about the research. I could cherry pick things and—and make it look like heavy metals ‘cause every health problem ever. But a gut infection plus a heavy metal problem, a lot of practitioner ay that they go together. The heavy metals and parasites and other gut infections are sort of two peas in a pod, and then if you don’t address one, you can’t—you can’t fix the other. And I would agree.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But—But the research stuff, for instance, let me give you an example. Someone— I saw someone put an article on soy, how, say, soy isn’t that big of a deal. It’s not producing a significant amount of Estrogen to hurt—hurt a guy, or to affect, you know, boys that are being breastfed—or I’m sorry— formula-fed with uhm—soy. Yet, there are studies out there showing that soy can provide Phytoestrogens to help women with post-menopausal symptoms. So, what is it? Right? If it’s providing enough Estrogen to help a menopausal female with their menopausal symptoms, tell me why or should walk me through how that mechanism is not gonna affect men, who Estrogen can really affect this feedback loop, especially young developing boys and infants and babies that are with Soy formula. So, once I see data on one thing, yet other research is contradicting it, my feelers are always like, you know, I—I got to be careful with that.

Evan Brand: That’s smart. That’s really smart. You mentioned the sauna, so sweating— I talked Dr. William Shawl, the Ph.D. at Great Plain Laboratory. He said it doesn’t really matter in terms of detox. It doesn’t matter whether you sweat via infrared sauna, whether you sweat a hot rock sauna, whether you sweat from running or riding your bicycle down the street. The sweating was the key that he’ seen across the board over the last 10-20 years to reduce levels of toxins. This is not—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So exercise?

Evan Brand: Yeah, so exercise was key, he said so. He runs, basically, everyday.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I have seen data though that it’s showing that the—the near infrared, right? I think it’s the far infrared uhm— [crosstalk] does penetrate deeper. So there is uh—a deeper penetration where you may be—you’re ringing out uh— a— a bigger sponge if you will.

Evan Brand: I—I believe it. Here is the interesting thing. The guy eats out basically every day at restaurants, and that’s obviously conventional food that’s sprayed with pesticides and a bunch of other things, but he didn’t seem to worry about it. I was kind of let down. I’m like, “Man, you’re like a guy I look up to. You created this great laboratory.” He’s like, “I don’t bring my lunch.” And I said, “So that means you eat out everyday at— at conventional restaurants?” And he was like, “Yup. I don’t worry about it. I’m feeling pretty good.” It’s like, “Dude!” So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, I’m a big fan of the 80-20 rule, so try to do your best 80% of the time, and 20 percent of the time you can have a little bit of latitude. Now, again, that rule kind of fall South that the more sick you are, the more symptoms you have, then we go up to 90 to a hundred percent. But yeah, I agree. I mean, there’s lots of things that are out there o you try to do your best to have lifestyle habits or substitutes, or you find good restaurants that are gonna good options for you. [crosstalk] That makes sense.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Look for grass-fed— grass-fed burgers and organic restaurants. I mean, just type in, “Organic Restaurant” in your city, or wherever you’re travelling to. If you travel a lot— and I hear that from clients. “Oh, I travel. How do I eat healthy while travelling? How do I avoid these toxins?” For one, you—you’d bring your own water, or get a Berkey Sport, the little portable Berkey. You can filter-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Evan Brand: -out some of the heavy metals and pesticides from the tap water if you have to drink tap water.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally, hundred percent. So let’s keep on rolling here. Copper’s another one. I mean, Copper’s in it an actual nutrient as well, so it’s not a heavy metal, like a toxic meta per se, but you can have high amounts of it with an IUD called uh– Paragard is one. Copper pipes—older ones. There’s some Copper in some fungicides and various—and various chemicals up. Some people eat, just get too much Copper in their Vitamins, or they’re eating a vegetarian diet that’s higher in Copper and they’re not getting enough Zinc from potential meats. That’s another option. Not a huge deal with that. With Copper, you can always do Vitamin C to help chelate, as well as uhm—higher doses of Zinc as well. Any comments on that, Evan?

Evan Brand: Yeah. I just posted a podcast today with Ann Louise Gittleman, and she talked about how she had clients with major, major Acne issues-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Evan Brand: -and they were Copper-toxic, and it was because they were drinking Kombucha. So, supposedly, Kombucha is the natural properties of the tea is that it uptakes Copper from the soil, that the tea is grown-in, which is huge for the Kombucha. So she got the client off Kombucha completely—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What kind of Kombucha did she say?

Evan Brand: She said any. Any and all Kombucha. She doesn’t—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I imagined if it’s organically grown though there’s gonna be a more balanced, I mean, amount of minerals in there, right?

Evan Brand: I don’t know. I don’t know. She—She acted like it was all Kombucha. She—She said, “Stay away from it. You know, don’t touch it with a 10-foot straw, basically.” So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I—I think there’s a lot of health benefits in Kom—in Kombucha. There’s a lots of different kinds out there. Some are really high in sugar. Some are low in sugar. Some are organic; some are not. So I think [incomprehensible]—

Evan Brand: I know. How would she—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -maybe not as good.

Evan Brand: I know. It was a broad brush stroke, but it’s like, “How would you verify?” I guess you’d have to test all the different brands, like GT’s, and measure is there high Copper? But anyway-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Either way, she had them come off Kombucha and then she did some ZInc, and then this person’s major Acne problem went away. So she was talking about if you’re trying to think, “Okay. If you can’t get your doctor to test you for uh— for the Copper, look for some of the symptoms, and some of the biggest ones were— were mainly skin. And then also like Anxiety issues and fatigue issues-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand: -and uh— Tinnitus, ringing of the ears, hyperactivity, sleep issues. It was all tied in to being Copper toxic. She called it being a Copperhead, and she said she was a Copperhead for many, many years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. I mean, we’ll see. I mean, hh— I have a hard time thinking that that’s all because of Copper.

Evan Brand: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Personally, there could have— There— There could easily been some SIBO there, and this person could have been just consuming too much fermentable products ‘cause of their gut bacterial overgrowth.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A— And that could have been the mechanism, right? I don’t know, but I mean, just my clinical experience with thousands of patients, I don’t— I don’t see that being a  huge deal. Changing other diet and support the detoxification in getting, you know, more Zinc in there tends to be a good way of supporting that. But we’ll— we’ll note it.

Evan Brand: It sound— I mean, it sounds sexy, right? All the problems were just linked to that one little beverage, but yeah, I agree with you…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I— I don’t—

Evan Brand: …probably more root causes. And that’s the hard part too. Like, when you interview these people, I mean, you could just probe them and probe them and like call them out on their stuff. But then, I don’t know. Like, are you gonna end up getting— getting somewhere with it or is it just gonna go nowhere? You know?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The problem is, number one, we’re moving so many levers. It’s not like we’re having a clinical study or a clinical trial where people are in a metabolic war and we’re tweaking only one variable.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, we have to really use common sense, and that’s why I try to look at what are the major mechanisms we— we’re moving when we make a diet change or a lifestyle change or a supplement change? And the— the— the foundational levers are simple things like sleep, water, digestion, getting rid of infections, supporting hormones, supporting inflammation, reduction, and you— So many symptoms can change with just one of those levers, and if we, like, isolate each lever one at a time, it would take patients years to get better.

Evan Brand: Very cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, you know, we just do our best as clinicians and doctors to like use our common sense to— to see based on our experience what we think it was. So, yeah!

Evan Brand: [crosstalk] We— We probably moved— I don’t know— 50 needles at a time or something.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. So many, totally. [crosstalk] So next, let’s go to Lead. Let’s go to— Oh! What yo—

Evan Brand: Yeah, hit Lead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -next.

Evan Brand: Hit Lead-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: -but we got to hit Mercury, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Auto exhaust. But again, we talked about that being unleaded for most of United States. Maybe some jet fuels aren’t. You know, perchlorate’s in the jet fuels. smelting stuff, anything that’ smelted, uhm—circuit boards that require certain smelting for the wires to stick, of course. Root canal’s maybe an issue. Uhm—glazes, hair dyes, Lead pipes, uh—potential Lead paint if you’re in a house before 19—I think—76 is the rule. Uh—Some pencils, some pesticides that have Lead-Arsenic in it, rain waters, uhm—some of the cheaper Chinese herbs, Ayurvedic herbs from China, some of them are grown in very high Lead-based soils. Uh—concrete, wood, building materials, final siding, anything else you want to add there, Evan?

Evan Brand: Uh—I would add guns. You know, shooting.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Shooting booths, yeah.

Evan Brand: Uh—I have—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s good.

Evan Brand: I had a female client who—she was like a private investigator. I think she worked for the government. Anyway, she was at the shooting range every single week, and it was an indoor shooting range. She said that the airflow was not very good, and she could see like the smoke, you know, floating around her after she was shooting, and she had a lot of like the Lead toxicity symptoms. So, you know, her brain was not working very well. She was depressed. She was anxious. Her blood pressure was up. Her memory was terrible. Uh—She didn’t have any of like the crazy Lead stuff, like paralysis, and numbness, and Parkinson’s, like some of the major manifestations. She didn’t have that, but her sleep was crap and her brain was crap. So we did start giving her just some gentle uh—Chlorella-based uh—tinctures, and we did see symptoms get better. However, though, like you said, at the same time, I wasn’t doing just that. I was also getting rid of the many, many, many different gut infections that she had.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Not—I go to the shooting range like once a quarter, like when my wife was pregnant, like you know, she just did’t come with me. It was like, “Alright, you stay away.” But typically, if we go, it’s like, “Alright. Have a little bit activated charcoal and Glutathione and antioxidants kind of before and after.” Kind of clean things up, and I just choose a good range that has good uh—air filtration like you mentioned.

Evan Brand: I go to an outdoor range, but then also, I use—I use Copper bullets. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s good.

Evan Brand: They don’t have it—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A lot more—They are a lot more expensive though, so—

Evan Brand: [crosstalk] They are expensive. I just don’t shoot as many. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. There you go.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s a good option. So let’s hit Mercury next. Anything else you wanted to highlight about Lead there, Evan?

Evan Brand: I mean it’s huge. We can spend a whole hour. We can spend a whole year on Lead. It’s a big deal. You got to look at all sources, especially your Lead pipes, if you live in the old part of a—old part of a city. You know, look at the uh—Look at the Flint water— you know— crisis thing, you know. It’s—It’s bad, so—so yes, please.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and that’s why I just don’t—don’t trust—I don’t trust any government’s water, or any local municipality’s water. I have two water filtrations: the whole house and the countertop. If you’re on a budget, get a countertop. I—You pay—If you actually are paying for bottled water right now, you’ll—you’ll pay for itself in six months, okay?

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You know, you can get a good one for  two to 300 dollars, and ends up being less than a dime per gallon, so super good. And then you can filter it out. And, people are always complaining about, “Oh, you filter it out, you pull all the minerals out.” It’s like, “Come on, man” I rather have cleaner water and add minerals back in. It’s way easier to add mineral back in than to leave toxins in the water.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I don’t want toxins in my water. Let’s hit Mercury.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: You mentioned the uh—the vaccines for Aluminum. Obviously, Mercury— Thimerosal is like I think it’s 48% Mercury? The Thimerosal in—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …in vaccines?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It’s gonna be in primarily your Flu vaccine now. They pull some out but they replaced a lot of the ones that had Thimerosal in it with Aluminum hydroxide-

Evan Brand: Oh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -so it’s only in that one. There may be one version of the deep— the D— DTP, and one version NMR, potentially. There was, right now, the primary one is just the Flu vaccine.

Evan Brand: Okay. So you think Mercury is out of— pretty much out of vaccines? Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. Now, there is some Mercury that’s used in the processing of the vaccination, like not in the actual ingredients.

Evan Brand: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And if you go look on the John Hopkins ingredient label for Vaccine Safety, there’ll be a little ex— like a little like kind of star at the bottom of that, and it will say like, “Oh, like Mercury that’s used in the processing is not like counted if it’s less than 0.005 like per liter like ppm or whatever.” So there is some people that say there is still some Mercury. It’s just not in the actual vaccine. It’s used in the processing of it, and it’s still at a— a reasonably high level. So you have to take that with a grain of salt.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I would say, particularly, people that could pay mo— that should pay more attention to this would be like military people, where they travel to certain countries and they have to go and get like 20 or 30 different vaccines to go to Afghanistan, for example. I mean, how do you mitigate that? Like you said, you’ve just got to do a lot of your good detox support and binders to try to mitigate the risk of vaccines if you’re forced to do that for your job, and you can’t-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: -opt out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and there’s some research on that. Like, if you watch the documentary, Trace Amounts, they go over some of that with the Mercury. But just something to keep in mind, the big source is gonna be your teeth though. Dental Amalgam fillings, uhm— they’re typically referred to as Silver Amalgam Fillings. It’s kind of uh— I would just say poor marketing, or I should say, inauthentic marketing because they’re over 50% Mercury. So you—

Evan Brand: People have to look up the documentary Our Daily Dose. It goes into the whole history of how the American Dental Association got corrupted. I think it was back in the 1800’s, maybe early 1900’s and how Mercury even came into the picture. Incredibly corrupt history.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s it called again?

Evan Brand: It’s called Our Daily Dose.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Our Daily Dose. Alright, cool. So we’ll make sure we put links for that. I have to put that on my list.

Evan Brand: It also— Yeah. It’s incredible, man. It also talks about the uh— cremation and how anybody who lives near crematories should probably move because when they’re cremating the bodies, all of the Mercury out of those dead bodies is going out of the exhaust pipe into the air from the crematory, landing in the soil and into the air. If anyone living near a crematory— So, we’ve got to find a better way to— to mitigate— I mean, everyone dies, and we’ve got millions of bodies that have Mercury in them, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m surprised they don’t require— there’s not some kind of uhm

Evan Brand: A scrubber or something?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Something that a scrubber to filter that out. I— I would think it wouldn’t be that difficult to do that.

Evan Brand: I know. I know. I— It’s— It’s— When you watch that documentary, it will literally blow your mind because it’s ending up in the groundwater. They’re doing studies of groundwater near uh— crematories, and even the groundwater— uh— The fish are contaminated next to uh— I guess we can mention fish in the ocean but for this specific topic, I meant fish any— in any uh— freshwater near crematories is a big deal.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Well, good to know. But your dental amalgam fillings will be the biggest. And of course, things uh— like that are excellent to know about vaccinations with the flu, for sure, is gonna be a big one. Uh— Some various pesticides and chemicals will still have some of these things in there. Again, we have a list we’re going off of so I can’t give you specific products, and again, if you’re buying things from certain countries that don’t have the— the higher environmental regulations, like some of the places in China, may have a higher level of Mercury still in the paint or Lead in the paint, or you know. So you got to be careful of where you’re getting things. But again, I can give you a whole list. Fertilizers, laxatives, lumbers, paints, [crosstalk] exhaust fumes, embalming fluids— So embalming fluid makes a lot of— well, embalm— I should say, embalm— U— Yeah. Embalming fluid. That’s like basically antifreeze, I think.

Evan Brand: They use uh— Formaldehyde in them—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Formaldehyde. Yeah, Formaldehyde. Exactly.

Evan Brand: It’s not—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Chlorine bleach, sludge, sewage disposal, lightening creams, waxes, wood preservatives— I think the big thing people got to be aware of is the Flu vaccine component, the heavy metals in your mouth, uhm

Evan Brand: And the fish, [crosstalk] the Tuna.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Some of the Tuna, the higher Mercury— The Skipjack Tuna’s pretty good. It’s got a very low Mercury to high Selenium ratio. So— Selenium’s a natural chelator of Mercury, so if you’re eating fish that have Mercury in it, Selenium’s a natural chelator, and Selenium’s actually a mineral-precursor to Glutathione. So, the more Selenium, the fish— the nutrients in the fish are actually detoxifying you at the same time. It’s—

Evan Brand: What about other fish? Do you worry at all about like, even in Salmon or Cod, or Haddock? Do you worry about the Pollack, the smaller fish?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You got to look at the high Mercury to low Selenium fish. So the shark, the pilot whale, the swordfish— those are gonna be more concerning ‘cause they have lower amounts of Selenium and higher amounts of Mercury. But if you look at the higher Selenium and lower Mercury fish, Skipjack Tuna, your Salmon, your Haddock, your Cod. So, man, I think three to four servings a week is fine. There’s been some studies showing that when women cut out their fish, right— even during pregnancy time, their kid actually— their baby drops IQ of seven points because of the healthy fats, the DHEA, the DHA fats in the fish are now reduced out of their diet, which is— those fats are really important for neurological and brain formation. So I think three to four servings a week is fine, just choose the higher Selenium to Mercury ratio fish. Just Google “High Selenium Low Mercury ratio fish,” and you’ll get a nice little PDF uhm— with that in there, so you can at least plan appropriately.

Evan Brand: I guess you could, if you were extra paranoid, you could do some of the chelators that we’ve talked about. And I— I hate to call them chelators, so technically not that. Mild detoxifiers, like your Michael Ni’s C— Chlorella could help if you’re gonna consume seafood.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Totally. By the way, a— an MD friend of mine used to give me so much crap ‘cause I would use to call them [chē-ˌlā-tərs] like you just did. He was like [ˈkē-ˌlā-tərs] [crosstalk]. I’m gonna pass. I’m gonna pass down that— that knowledge to you as well.

Evan Brand: I— I— I shouldn’t even use the word ‘cause it’s technically not correct. It’s— It technically the— ‘cause the chelator is more something that is—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Like a DMPS-

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -or TSA or EDTA.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: More of a chemical bonder.

Evan Brand: Yeah. The natural stuff is not a chelator. I— It’s technically just a mild detoxifier. So I’ll just ditch the word from my vocabulary.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nah. No— No problem. I’m just giving you a little hard time there.

Evan Brand: [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But in general, cheap Chinese herbs, uhm— dental Mercury fillings, uh— pesticides, your— the Mercury in your mouth we talked about. I think those are the big things. Any you want to highlight there?

Evan Brand: I don’t think so. I mean, we could go on and on with some of these other metals. I mean, car exhaust has so many different things It pops up across the board for containing Thallium as well. Uh— we tualked about the Aluminum. Also, Tin could be your Tin cans and stuff too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: Uh— I think you could freak out and probably make yourself want to live in a bubble pretty quick if you start reading about some of these stuff. But I would just say, reduce sourcing. If you can change your zip code and move somewhere that’s not close to a highway, do it. And then, if you can get safely and healthily get out— healthily get out the uh— Amalgams with the biological dentsists— If you’re strong enough to do this, and Justin, maybe you give your disclaimer or your two cents on this, but I think you should probably be somewhat strong. Adrenal, detox-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep.

Evan Brand: -gut-wise before you go into biological dentistry if removing Amalgams.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bingo! Stronger with your detoxification pathways, good nutrition, uh— healthy gut function before you actually go into the process of removing things. I think if you want simple things, you can alway do some of the— the binders, the Chlorella, uh— the various citrus pectins, the various activated charcoal I think is— is safer, and starting at lower dose, I think, is okay. But if you want to get tested, we test— I test my patients all the time. I use a DMPS chelator for the initial test. I do a Urine Challenge Test ‘cause I want to look at what’s in the tissue. A lot of times the hair— hair is a natural method of pushing heavy metals out of the body. There’s been some studies of, for instance, one study with Autistic children showing they had less heavy metals in their hair.

Evan Brand: ‘Cause they can’t get it out, and then—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ‘Cause they can’t get it out because you actually have to have healthy detoxification to push it into the hair. So the question is if you’re detoxification’s impaired, you may not see it in the hair. And if— the hair is the indicator of what your body burden is— Well, it’s— It’s a couple steps downstream, so there could be other steps that come above it that affect it. That’s why I like the chelation challenge of the urine because y— they’re pulling out what’s in the tissue. And again, blood, it’s gonna be more acute. Like if your kid’s eating paint chips and you’re doing a blood test, you could see that Lead right in the blood. But if your kid ate paint chips like a couple months ago, the body may have taken that Lead, pushed it into the tissue, into the fat, and then now, when you test the blood, it may not come back. But a challenge may reveal it, ‘cause these metals can go into other tissues and you kind of have to agitate the tissue and pull it out.

Evan Brand: Now, are you recommending a random urine test after the provocation agent or you having like 24-hour collection after provocation?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just a two to three-hour collection. The half-life of some of these chemical chelators, like DMPS, is a three— a three-hour half-life, so any longer than that is not necessary.

Evan Brand: ‘Cause the NDF I was telling you about, that can be used as a— as a natural provocation agent. The half-life of it is around two hours, so it sounds very, very, very close, but I would argue maybe superior. I’ll have to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: I’ll have to uh— find that paper and— and send it to you ‘cause it’s pretty mind-blowing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely, yeah. So, if your concerned about heavy metals, look at some of the things we talked about, just the simple vectors. Number two, get a heavy metal test that can actually provoke and get a window into what’s happening tissue-burden-wise. Also, look at your organic acids because your organic acids can give you a window into a lot of your Glutathione and Sulfur amino acid and antioxidant precursors to run your Phase-1, Phase-2 or even Phase-3 detoxification pathways. The Cytochrome P450 oxidase enzyme pathways are important for detoxifying, so it’s nice to see how those pathways are doing. DO all the diet and lifestyle things. Get tested. Uhm— Don’t get your heavy metal fillings removed right away, but you go see a good biologically-trained dentist. Get your gut and your inflammation and diet better first, before you get that removed. And it depend how many you have, you may want to get kind of uh— a protocol lined up with your dentist. Maybe remove 25% at a time, or 50% at a time, depending on how many you have. Some people that have 20 or 25, you may not want to do more than five or six at a time. So you got to work that-

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -out with yoour biologically-trained dentist.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and some— Some practitioners, some dentist have protocols they may impleme— implement with (R)-lipoic acid and Alpha-Lipoic acid, and-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: -some other things, so just uh— We always recommend people look at the link— Let me double check the website. It’s the I-A-M-O-T—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I-A-M— Yeah. International Association of Oral and Medical Toxicology dot (.) org.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So I— I’m making sure I’m typing it in right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: IAOMT.org.

Evan Brand: Yep. That’s the one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s Dr. Jack Kennedy’s site.

Evan Brand: Yeah, but there’s a whole database there, so you can look in someone [inaudible]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Feel free you guys. Look at the uh— the video called The Smoking Tooth.  If people think or your dentist says that heavy metals stay put when they’re put in your mouth, watch that video and your mind will be blown. Oh— We’’l try to get that link put in below, so you guys don’t have to hunt it down.

Evan Brand: That video clip is in that Our Daily Dose. They show, it’s like—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Evan Brand: It’s like 2000 times the safe amount of Mercury gets released when they drill it out-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Evan Brand:wiithout any safe procedure. It’s— It’s— It’s— It should be a crime.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Insane. Hundred percent insane. But hey! Education, we start here. We vote with our dollars. Make smart decisions. And if you guys are loving this podcast, give us a thumbs up. Give us a share. We appreciate it. We get energized by your comments. We get energized by your feedback, and we’re just— We’re here to empower everyone. Then, if you want to take that next step and dig in deeper, for Evan’s help, evanbrand.com, as well as myself, justinhealth.com. Look forward to being of service. And, Evan, you have a phenomenal day. Great chatting with you.

Evan Brand: Sounds good. We’ll talk to you all next week. Buh-bye!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care. Bye.

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REFERENCES:

Aluminum and Silica in Drinking Water and The Risk of Alzheimer’s Disease or Cognitive Decline, An American Journal of Epidemiology 2009 15-Year Study

Trace Amounts, a documentary

http://www.ourdailydosefilm.com/  Our Daily Dose, a documentary

IAOMT.org

Dr. Layton’s “The Smoking Tooth” Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVBYZEsqEU,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBVjZJhPrw

https://justinhealth.com/

https://www.evanbrand.com/

https://justinhealth.com/shop

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Holistic Dental Health with Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS | Podcast #186

Welcome to today’s podcast with Dr. Justin and Dr. Joan Sefcik DDS! Find out more about their discussion regarding dental health issues and debunking dental health myths. In this video, they talked about the connection with root canal inflammation to the different body systems. Excessive consumption of refined sugar and lack of vitamin intake may compromise your dental health and overall health in a larger scope.

Watch as they discuss the alternative healing method in this video.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS

In this episode, we cover:

01:55   Nutrition is Important to Dental Health

20:17   Epinephrine Anaesthesia Causes Cavitation

28:40   Heavy Metals and Infertility Rate

31:50   Do Not Give Your Kids Fluoride

47:15   Root Canals, Bridges, and Extraction

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys! Ot’ Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. Welcome back to the show. We have Dr. Joan Sefcik, my personal dentist, on the show today. Dr. Joan, it’s great to be here. How ‘yah doing?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Great. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. And, we’re gonna go in to just kind of the top major issues that people are seeing a dentist for. We’re gonna compare and contrast some of the conventional, you know, dentist procedures, and we’re gonna talk about some of the more holistic things. We’re gonna talk about some of the Do’s, the Don’ts, Root Canals, Fluoride, Cavities. We’re gonna go into it. If anyone wants to reach out to Dr. Joan, she’s over here in Austin– Austin, Texas. Go to austindentalwellness.com. austindentalwellness.com. We’ll put her link down below if you want to reach out. She sees patients as well. So, Dr. Joan, let’s dig in. What’s probably one of the first? What’s the biggest myth out there that you kind of want to highlight, that you’re having people come to see you with, that on the conventional side, and they’re— and they’re having a health issue; they’re having a concern? What’s that biggest myth that you’re typically dispelling on a daily basis?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I guess that the mouth— what’s in the mouth doesn’t affect the rest of the body…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …because it does. Because it’s part of the— It’s not separate from the rest of the body. It…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …what’s in it? What’ going on in there? It affects everything else in— in your— in your health.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, there’s a massive connection between the mouth, the gut, obviously, the— the heart as well. We know like dental health issues can easily c— you know, have a major connection with Cardiovascular disease as well. Inflammation in the gums could be a manifestation of inflammation in the body, right?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And there’s also energetic connections.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  ‘Cause your tooth actually…

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …with the meridians, right?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yes. Uhmhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, do you notice that correlation if someone has like a Root Canal, or some kind of inflammation in a certain nerve root that look at— connects with maybe the heart meridian or the breast meridian? Do you notice connections with that people?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Oh! All the time. And even— even metal in that tooth can short-circuit that meridian.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, wow!

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhmhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. Now, talk about— ‘cause you talked about health in the mouth, how important is the diet? ‘Cause I remember how m— How important is diet to having healthy dental health? I remember, we— we chatted one time that a lot of people are just not getting enough Vitamin K2 or enough various nutrients or amino acids to build back that tooth. Build back the enamel. How important do you see the diet and— and the nutrients coming in to actual dental health?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It’ very important ‘cause the tooth is a live organism. Unless you got Root Canal, which is a dead tooth. But, it’s being fed all the time so you need your fat-soluble vitamins, your D, your A vitamins, your K2, and you’d need to— you need to watch your refined sugars. Once you uhm— Eating sugars not only can cause plaque buildup but— but actually there’s a flow that goes from the tooth from the inside out. So, it flushes the— the tubules in the tooth, and when you eat sugar, it actually reverses that flow. So, all of the gunk that’s in your mouth starts going into the tooth and down the tooth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh! Wow! And how many people like— what’s the percentage of dentist that are out there that actually understand that— that strong diet connection and are actually educating their patients in cutting the sugar out and getting the fat-soluble nutrients, and getting the Collagen and the— and the good uh— Glandulars? What percent, you think?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Not many. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— I’d be generous at 20%.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I imagine a lot of the educational information that you’ve gotten over the years, was that part of your— your dental curriculum when you’re in school or is that things that kind of read or got outside of the curriculum?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No, not at all. Uh— It is all learned after— after school.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that’s probably the big thing. It’s a lot of— a lot of dentists and medical doctors, they kind of have this— this arrogance that if it wasn’t taught in school, then it can’t be important. So then, as they go out in— in the field and they’re seeing patients, they hear information and they kind of have a filter up like, “Oh! That wasn’t taught to me in school so it can’t be important.” They kind of just block out all this extra information. So, what’s separated you from others— you know, from putting out your— your hands and blocking it versus being receptive and taking it in, and then applying it with your patients?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, I’ve always been kind of a rebel so I think that helps.[laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs]

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: But I could have a boyfriend who came down Cancer years ago.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I remember this. Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And, uhm— that motivated me to search all the alternative healing methods, and at the same time, there is uh— an MD in town that was doing Chelation and— and took me to lunch. And right be— It was right before that , and he started  talking about Mercury. He actually gave me a chart of Meridian Chart of the teeth. And that’s— This is before internet. [laughs] So, I look at the bottom of the chart and I saw it was the International Academy of Biological Dentistry and Medicine. It was an academy of biological dentistry back then. I called and went to the course, and started just learning, you know. We just had a good–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Seek out courses and find books and–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you were the former president of the iaomt.org, right?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No, IBDM.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, got it. And h— how are they different?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhm— IO— They’re both— I— I think IBDM is the original biological dentistry group, and they’re— uh— they’re–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is that by Hal Huggins?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— Hal Huggins was— was part of it too. Uhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— IBDM has always understood the energetic connections between the teeth and they’ve always been anti— very against the Root Canal because they understand how they affect the rest of the body. But, both organizations are— are anti-Mercury, anti-Fluoride, and— and IAOMT’s coming along with the Root Canal stew now because they’re— they’re seeing the research.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ‘Cause I think I found you via IAOMT like five years ago [crosstalk] so I know I saw you.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Perfect. Now, I’m just curious, right? We have like you know cavities, and then, we have the ability to like regenerate. And I had Dr. Steven Lin on the podcast last month, and we talked about— you know, how long do you wait for a cavity to kind of like continue to— to— to regress and get worse before you fill it, how much leeway does the body have to heal and recover, and at what point do you say, “Oh. It may be time to fill it.”

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It depends how far it’s gotten into that dentin layer. You have the outside…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …part of the teeth, which is like the enamel, which is the hardest substance…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …of your body. And then you have the dentin, which is a little softer and it’s full of these little tubules.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, the problem with— the bacteria can get to these tubules and get to the nerve faster. It can hide out in there. Yeah. It depends how far into the dentin that it can repair itself.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think Dr. Steven Lin said like, “Once it’s through the enamel and it’s about halfway through the dentin, that’s where he typically will start to fail. He said he’d seen a lot of teeth. I— If it doesn’t go halfway to the dentin, he says ther— there’s a— yo— there is an ability to recover. You really have to up the Vitamin A, D, uh— E and K, and then really get— you know, good— good amino acids and— and uh— and minerals on board. Would you say that’s about right?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Exactly. And, I can hit it with Ozone. I use a lot of Ozone in the practice so [crosstalk] that helps to…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Oh that’s great.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …kill the bacterial factor in it. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, that’s great. And so, with a lot of patients that you’re seeing, like to maybe a lot of dentist that are like really trigger-happy to fill it, but you may watch it a little bit longer and see if it continues t— to regress versus, you know, uhm— you know, give it a little more time.to heal and make maybe some diet and lifestyle changes?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Exactly. I’m really conservative, but u— you have to be really on it, nad uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You got to— You have to just kind of see how the patient is with their diet and— you know, if they’re gonna still be sneaking the cookies in all the time. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So, you’re looking. You’re

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS:

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: saying, “Hey. You know, what’s your diet? Are you open to making these changes?” You feel like, you know, probably not. Then— Then you may be a little bit more realistic in your approach.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yes. As I’m not a big fan of Fluoride at all either ‘cause–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh! That’s great. We’re gonna go right into that next. So— And then, let’s just go into the materials that you’re using. So, of course, like in the past, there was Mercury Amalgam, which people kind of use Silver is the— the slang— the slang term but it’s really over 50% Mercury So, it’s kind of a—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a little disingenuous calling it Silver when it’s really Mercury. So, that’s kind of still used by some dentist; more kind of progressing. What are the sources of— of filling that you’re using?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I use a uh— a non-BPA composite.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And some biocompatible composites and some biocompatible porcelains.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. And then, do you find that those like they don’t affect the nervous system as much? ‘Cause I know the metal right being next to your brain can have some effects. So, you find those two really well on a— from a Meridian standpoint?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Exactly. Actually, if I’m gonna take some Mercury fillings out, I’d follow Dr. Huggins Protocol. We actually checked the charges of each filling and we take the quadrant, the ones that have the highest charge out first because it keeps your body and parasympathetic, keeps you calm and relaxed. Because each of them has a charge and they’ve been— The saliva acts kind of like water in a battery.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: To keep this whole charge going on in your head and you want to gently get rid of those so you don’t cause too much destruction to the body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I remember when I had a uh— Not a Root Canal but I had a Crown. We took some of the top three to five materials that you like and we— we muscle test. So, we put it under the mouth. Let it sit in the saliva for a bit, and then you muscle test it. And I think it was the Zirconium material for the Crown test that’s the best.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: yes. Since it’s fairly compar—  compatible. Every once in a while you’re gonna get someone who doesn’t— isn’t compatible with something. You know–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And do you do any the— the Clifford Testing at all for the— for the compatibility too?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yes. I do. And I do— There’s another one, I do that one too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then, how [crosstalk] does it— How does it— How does it correlate with the Clifford versus some of the kinesiological testing that you do, where you put it in the mouth and let it sit too?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I mean, I can always do— I— I— I conduct tests on anytime…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmhm–

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …but— but I like the Biocomp  a little better because Clifford is suitable/non-suitable, Biocomp is uh— most reactive, moderate reactive…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …and least reactive. So, it has a three stages out of a two stage.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Got it. And you find that the uhm— the composite BPA-free fillers are— are kind of like your go-to outside of Mercury now?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yes. And there’s some that are better than others. So, I— I’ve seen from the— from the compatibility charts which ones are the best. So, I generally use those.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. And when I go in for my teeth cleanings uhm— every six months, a couple things I noticed is, number one, you’re not using Fluoride in your office. I know you use some essential oils and Ozone and such when I get my teeth cleaned Can you talk more about Fluoride and— and why you’re against it?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, Fluoride doesn’t exist anywhere naturally in the body. It’s— It’s not essential for life and you don’t need it for anything. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm–

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, it’s actually a toxin. So, your teeth aren’t made of Fluoride. They’re made of Calcium, Phosphorus, Oxygen and Hydrogen. There’s no Fluoride in your teeth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: People think that there’s Fluoride naturally in your teeth, and there’s not.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And that— Those four minerals make this perfect Hydroxyapatite molecule, and they link up and it’s this beautiful crystalline structure. But when you put Fluoride in there, which people tend to, you know, to make your teeth stronger, it— it pulls out one of the OH ions and makes Fluorapatite, which is kind of a deformed crystal. So, the teeth don’t— Actually, they may be stronger— Actually there’s the top surface of strength in it. It’s only one-tenth of a width of a hair…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …that strengthens it. So you’re gonna— when you’re like— When a dentist is poking around and probing, it feels strong on the top, but it’s not that perfect interlocking crystalline structure, the way God intended it to be.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, you have these little microcracks in it. So, bacteria can still get down there, and what you get is called hidden cavities.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmhm–

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, the top may be hard but you can get this cavity underneath, and you don’t notice until it’s huge and its top surface breaks through usually.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. And a lot of people don’t understand that, you know, a lot of the— the Fluoride that exist in nature is like Calcium Fluoride and a lot of the Fluoride that they’re putting in with toothpaste and such is Hydrofluorosilicic acid, which is— you know, a by-product of other types of— you know, fertilizer or bomb industries and such. People aren’t aware of that. And also, I think the second thing people aren’t aware of is— the number one cause of cavities in ten to 14-year old kids— is Dental Fluorosis, meaning an overdose of Fluoride.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any thoughts on that?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Oh, you see those little light spots that’s from it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: [stutters] That’s structure being deformed in the tooth. And it’s very pre— They said 41% of the kids have it now from drinking the Fluoride in the water, which they say eliminates cavities but, you know, the studies really show that it decreases decay. Areas that are non-Fluoridated and— and Fluoridated don’t have any difference in— in decay rates.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And then there’s a study over in the UK, I think two years ago, that came out, where they saw that the uhm— the people that had consumed the highest amount of Fluoride water had the highest risk of Hypothyroidism. And I guess the— the main mechanism is that Fluoride’s in that Halide Group and can pinch hit for Iodine.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah. It could repla— Chlorine, uh— Boron—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bromide?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …and Bromide and Boron, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: That’s why you get colitis with the Fluoride. Uhm— Yes, and it ruins your thyroid. It ruins your brain cells. There’s like 42 studies called saying it causes neurological damage. It’s, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you know—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It’s [incomprehensible] for your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. I mean, in university, we had to take uhm— in Doctor School, we have to take a public health course, and we did like 15-hour deep dive in the Fluoride. And we went through all of the major studies, and— I mean, just go type in Fluoride and Low IQ. You’re talking about a five to ten-point drop in IQ, which is the Fluoride consumption. And that’s— that’s scientifically proven. And the other issue too is uhm— if you were to prescribe someone Fluoride, you have to pull out your prescription pad and write them a prescription, yet it’s in the water. And…

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Oh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …you can drink as much water as you want. So, that’s kind of like a medication that’s really not being dosed according to each individual. Take—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: [crosstalk] And a—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …issue.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And a study of an FDA approved. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Right. And then— Again like for anyone listening too, just go look at your— your typical Crest or Colgate toothpaste. Go look on the back and see what it says. It’s gonna say, “a pea size of toothpaste.” Number one, who has a pea size? The commercials are— they— they will like lather it on. And then number two, it says if you swallow it, call poisoning control.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And you know when one tube, but toothpaste can kill a 9-year old kid with the aid of…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: One tube? Oh, really?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Unbelievable.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, number one, I— I like the fact that you— you’re educated on the Flouride. I think most— most dentists aren’t. Number two, you use essential oils and other natural herbs and— and various compounds, Xylitol, etc., to help improve dental health. Uh— Number three, your making the diet changes. You understand the minerals that have to go into the teeth. You understand, you know, the work of Weston A. Price, which we can— You know, you kind of already alluded to that anyway, which indigenous, you know, fat-soluble vitamins, nutrients, and then keeping all the refined foods out. Anything else you want to comment on that? 

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhm— Yeah. you know, Weston Price did become the Father of Biological Dentistry because of the nutrition thing, and he speak on the Root Canals, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Well, that’s a perfect segue. L— Let’s chat about that. Who needs a Root Canal and who doesn’t? ‘Cause this is the talk that I got patients coming all the time. It’s like, when could someone get away with the Root Canal? And then, if they didn’t do a Root Canal, would you recommend an Extraction and an Implant? How would you do that? So, like, when would you recommend a Bridge, an Implant, a Root Canal. Can you offer those scenarios?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Okay. So, you do a Root Canal when the tooth is either been killed from trauma…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm–

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …it’s— its blood supply’s been gone, or decay’s gotten into the nerve of the tooth and affected the nerve. So, a— one it dies, it gets in a irreversible process beyond the point of no return. Because actually, people will try to the herbs and do this and that, but the tooth’s dead. It’s actually just as bad as having a Root Canal. I’ve done— Dr. Huggins had some DNA lab where you can actually send a tooth in and see what bacteria in it…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …which is pretty scary. And I’ve done actually dead teeth that have died from trauma, and they have the same bacteria as Root Canals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, it’s dead tooth?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: A dead tooth from trauma. If somebody has a dark tooth in front cause they fell 10 years ago, that can be just as toxic as—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that can be a big harboring area for all these infections.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, it a burden…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: ..on your Immune System. So, if you’re fairly healthy and you’re not fighting anything or have any issues, you keep up, probably you’re body can take care of a root canal, or maybe two. If you’re ill in any way— Cancer, autoimmune, problems, I would get them out because they’re just uh— They harbor all these bacteria. They’re an energe— They’re an energetic blockage on that Meridian.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And… They uhm— Those little tubules that I was talking about in the dentin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: When you take the nerve out, it normally, when the nerve’s in there, it’s flushing those fluids out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: When you take the nerve out, it’s dry. So, nothing’s flushing those little tubules. If you take those little tubules in the— in the dentin in one tooth and stand them end to end it’s about three miles per tooth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, they’re tiny but bacteria can still go in there and hang out. So, they set up house. They’re like, “Hey! You know what, the blood supply— nothing can get to me. Antibiotics can’t get to me ‘cause there’s no more blood supply. So, they sit there and multiply and mutate, and spill up toxins. And everytime you chew, you squeeze them out in your body…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …cause you’re applying pressure. But your body can’t get into it ‘cause there’s no more blood supply. So, you know, they go to your weak organs, or— you know, it just spills out and can wreak havoc.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, can you describe the actual Root Canal procedure for most people. Some people, they— they’ve heard of it but what is the procedure consist of?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, you actually will go through the top of the tooth ‘cause each root has a canal in the middle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm–

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And you go to the top of the tooth and you take these files and you clean it out. Clean it out. Disinfect. But, all the teeth just don’t have one canal. There’s accessory canals that come off the side.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And not only are those little dentinal tubules but you have little accessory canals that you can’t really clean out. So, those basically never really get cleaned out. And then…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] So, that’s the problem. It’s that you’re drilling in there. You’re drilling in there but it’s the accessory canals you’re probably not gonna be able to get ‘cause you’d have to drill in all kinds of directions and destroy the tooth, right?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And you can’t. You can’t see them, hardly. You know, it’s— it’s— And you don’t know which way they’re going. They can tree off like a delta— you know, the river. It’s— It’s crazy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, is there ever a scenario where you would recommend a Root Canal?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You know, you have to— if someone has their one tooth on a huge Bridge, and that’s holding a l— You know, you have to take the— you know, patient by patient into consideration, and how healthy they are and how— You know, if anyone has Cancer, I would definitely get all your Root Canals out ‘cause they actually can’t uh— Root Canals emit a toxin that inhibit a gene that kills Cancer cells.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, I would get— definitely get a Mattified Cancer.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, what’s the scenario where you would recommend or you’d be okay with the Root Canal? Someone’s healthy and then what? Like what areas of the mouth would have to be on?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I actually quit dreaming ‘cause I can’t ethically do them myself anymore. I will inform the patient that that’s an option and it’s up to them, and give them all the pros and cons of what I— what I know. You know— But—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, if it was you, right? Le— Let’s say, you know, you’re healthy individual, right? Would you personally get one done yourself? You know—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. So— So, you— So, in general, you— you probably wouldn’t recommend it. So, what would be the alternative?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It’s to take the tooth out, and you want a biological dentist to take the tooth out ‘cause you want all the dead bone and infection cleaned out. So, that the area heals and the energy flows through there properly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, this is great. So, this is great. I want to highlight one thing. So, just compare. So, if you’re gonna extract it— If you’re gonna extract the tooth, how would you do it differently than a conventional dentist, what kind of precautions would you take?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I actually probably spend more time cleaning to suck it out than taking the tooth out…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmm—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …most of the time. I— I— uh— will drill it all out. I have uhm— I’ve extra special bone gloves I’ve got and I’ve cleaned out, and I make sure I feel good bone. I clean all the infection out ‘cause infection goes out into the surrounding bone, and it’s usually soft and we can feel it. I— I scrape it out. Clean it out. Uhm— I use Ozone. I use Ozonator water. I use Colloidal SIlver. You know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, basically, you’re spending more time on the cleaning process. You’re spending more time using natural compounds to get everything kind of sanitary in there. And then, is there anything else you’re doing? Is there like a dental dam that goes in place? Is there any extra precautions that are made to make sure that debris doesn’t go down the person’s mouth? 

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No. I never— never use Epinephrine on my Anaesthesia. That can cause the Cavitation. Never. Biological dentists usually never use Epinephrine in their Anaesthesia.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And, what’s the Cavitation?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Cavitation is area that had an extraction and either because of the Epinephrine, ‘cause it kills uh— bone cells, or because they’re not cleaning out the area completely, and it capsulated around it? Or if a patient has some clotting issues, if they’re Hypoclot or— or— or Hypoclotting, uhm— it just didn’t heal right, right? So, if you had a dry socket, chances are you probably had a uhm— you have a Capitation there. They say almost 80% of the bone teeth have Cavitations. So, the bone heals over. It’s a hole in the bone. And it’s like a— It’s full of bacteria. It’s septic. I’ve even— even go in there and clean them out. And I’ve actually, sometimes, gotten green gloves out of there or— or black tarry stuff.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh!

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It’s amazing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It comes out of like, you know, wisdom teeth areas. And uh— And uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And those energetically go to the heart and the small intestine.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, my God.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Anyone with heart problems aor SIBO— Actually, I think SIBO’s a good place to look for in the wisdom tooth areas.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how are you assessing the Cavitations? Are you doing the Cone Beam Testing? Are you just— Can you visually see?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You can do that. You can usually visually see them on it. Actually, I’ve been doing it for long enough. You can— you can tell.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then basically, the solution for that or the cause is the Epinephrine during the extraction, but you’re gonna go in there. You’re gonna open it up. You’re gonna clean it better. Make sure any dead debris is out. Sanitize it. And then, you’re gonna— What precautions are gonna make so it doesn’t happen again?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— I try to make sure you have a— You solid up so it’s closed up so it will heal. So, there’s no chance of dental plaque coming out again.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And usually that’s easier to do ‘cause it’s already close. You can get primary closure because, usually, like going in a new area back. When I do extraction, it’s a little harder. So I usually do suture and make sure that the thing’s closed up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. So, for you, ‘cause you’ve done this so long. You don’t need a Cone Beams but a lot of people that maybe are inexperienced, they would need a Cone Beam?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: [crosstalk] Yeah, you can do Cone Beam too. Yeah. You can do a Cone Beam, too. You can even see around. You can feel it in there. Cone Beams are great ‘cause you can tell right away.  You know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Got it! And so, let’s continue to talk about the Extraction. So you extract it, and then, you’re gonna basically put in a dental implant, and that would be your overall solution for uh— uh— Root Canal. Is that correct? 

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yes. You can do— First, you can leave a space but teeth may move.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You do a little removable, which are made out of real biocompatible little Nylon. You can do a one-tooth removal , if there’s a tooth behind it. And that’s a real biocompatible uhm— replacement because it’s— doesn’t do anything to the other teeth. You can do a bridge, but you have to  crown the teeth on either side. Or you can do an implant. If you do an implant, I would only do a Ceramic one or Zirconia one, not a Titanium one. ‘Cause that’s— that metal short-circuits the Meridian of the Titanium.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Alright, so you go. You do this extraction. You do the implant. You’re choosing biologically compatible material. You’re cleaning things out really well. You’re taking extra bit of time to make sure all the dead debris— all that’s knocked out. When would you do a bridge versus an extraction? Can you compare those two and why would you do one or the other?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— You need a bridge after an extraction.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, can you talk about the difference?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: A bridge is— Say, you have a to— tooth missing between two other teeth. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You actually crown the teeth on either side and then there’s a dummy tooth in the middle and it’s glued in permanently. So, it’s like two crowns with the— with the tooth in the middle, and then that’s glued in permanently.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, with an extraction, you wouldn’t just screw it right into the bone and it would stay. It would have to anchor to the teeth, left and right of it?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah, right into the bone is the implant.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, the implant goes right into the bone by itself, and that’s process has integrated into the bone. And I would also do a biocompatibility testing. Make sure you’re compatible with the Zirconium, ‘cause I had to have had a patient that wasn’t compatible.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: We found out later. He wasn’t— He wasn’t— He was rejecting his implants, and that’s why.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Got it SO, I want to make sure everyone understands it. So, we have the— we have the implant. We have it. Wee extract it. We pull out the bad tooth. We clean it really well. We— We implant that tooth in there. And then, every time there’s an implant, there’s always gonna be a bridge to anchor it in?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No, no, no. You don’t have. So, you have a removable…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …you taking it out. That’s one way. The bridge is another way, but you crown the teeth on either side and glue it in…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …with— with the missing tooth. Or, you can do an implant. So, the implant goes into the bone. Now, Huggins— Some— Some say an implant is still for an object in your bone so it can create some autoimmune reaction and some people Dr. Huggins just say. It could be tomorrow. It could be a hundred years from now. [laughs] But, you know— ‘Cause it’s— Your spleen might be a little stimulated constantly ‘cause it’s going— [clears throat] What’s that— What’s that— that, you know, some people have no problem at all with them. And it’s like—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Which— Which option would you recommend?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Depends on the person, you know…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …but

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: C— Can you compare and contrast an implant versus a bridge? Who would be the better candidate for— for each?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I mean, if you don’t want your— If you have perfectly untouched teeth on either side and you don’t want to crowned, then you might want to go for an implant. ‘Cause if you already have crowns on either side, or big fillings and they could use crowns already, then it’s not that, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Got it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …what— you know, how much. And if you want to not touch any, you know, a little removable and they were just least expensive route to go anyway, uhm— it’s a way to go.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how would that anchor in. Would that be like a retainer kind of thing?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, it’s little— little clasps that hook on the teeth on either side and it— it snaps in.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. So, what I’m hearing is, like kind of the more— the more your teeth are already maybe uh— have less integrity from previous fillings or previous— previous uh— crowns, then it may make sense to go with the bridge?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah. And it’s— Everyone has this. Some people love the little removable. Some people hate them. So, then they— If they hate them, don’t get a bridge or don’t do something else. It’s everyone’s— you know, has their own different—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: You know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what other procedures are we missing here? So, we went over the Root Canal ‘cause I get this all the times. We went over all the options there. Is there any other common procedures that just like, there’s a vast difference in what the conventional method is versus kind of more the holistic method. Anything else you want to add there?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, we— if we remove any Mercury in the mouth, we take…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh!

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …extreme precautions to protect the patient, and—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Let’s talk about that.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: So, uhm— if— if we’re gonna remove any Mercury, we will, of course, numb the patient up. And then, uhm— place a rubber dam. Seal that dam up. Cover up the patient. Put them on Oxygen. Uhm— We wear gas masks. [laughs] The assistant wears the gas mask, you know, and then uh— we take care of when we’re done. We use a special vacuums and— and water and special suction. And uhm— after we’re done, I actually take everything we have. The patient rinse with charcoal and take some charcoal. And I take everything. I literally put it outside. I take all the— The patient’s all covered up. We’re all covered up, and I threw everything outside.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. Are you doing any chelation compounds outside of the binders? Are you doing any DMPS or DMSA or EDTA along with that?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: No. I usually leave that up to the other physicians. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect. [crosstalk] And then, do you prepa— Uhmhm— And then, do you prepare it all, like couple days ahead of time? Do you recommend like any Glutathione or you’re just working with someone…

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …else that’s helping with that.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, we do give them uhm— some Lypo-Spheric C afterwards…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …and we have Glutathione too. The office and I do Glutathione. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Okay. That’s good.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And when I do a patient history, I mean, I see so many patients that, they have the right thought process like, “Ooh, I have all these heavy metal fillings. I should get it removed. But then, they go and they see an untrained dentist, and they just do it the wrong way. And it’s so sad because, number one, the extraction method— you know, if you’re not using the coldwater pick, if you don’t have the dental dam, if you don’t have your own patient supply of Oxygen, the chance of getting toxic is really high. And then it’s even worse for the doctor because the doctor’s going through a lot more of these procedures than the patient and they don’t have their own Oxygen either. And I think that’s part of the reason why. I think, what was it? I think the dental profession had the highest suicide rate out of any profession. I think maybe the heavy metals could be a part of that. What do you think?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Oh! It’s— I’m sure. Also, there’s a Hyper— uh— infertility rate between female dentist and assistants, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, wow.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Because the [incomprehensible]. They’ve done— They’re doing studies on it now. But, oh yeah. If you— If you just uhm— get your Mercury move without any of the precautions, you have huge exposure to it. Huge. It’s a vapor itself. Inhaling it— the vapor itself. Plus, not— not only at that getting under your tongue and absorbing under your tongue and everywhere else. It’s— It’s not good. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We’ll put a video on the show notes. It’s called The Smoking Tooth by Dr. Kennedy, and he talks about just the simple, you know, drinking of coffee, brushing your teeth, uh— just simple daily activities you can see with— with the Fluoroscope that the Mercury vapor’s coming off. And, you know, you add a— you know, a drill in there and you don’t have all these other precautions like you’re adding in. I mean, you’re gonna get yourself, you know, way more toxic. So, that’s good that you’re making a whole bunch of other changes that other doctors aren’t.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah. That video is a great video.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Yeah. It’s really good.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: It even— It even freak all of us. [laughs] We knew it already.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right? Yeah, totally.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What other common procedures you want to highlight that for the individuals watching that— you know, they’re— you know, that they may encounter in the conventional side that may not be adequately addressed?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhm— Well, we got Extractions, right? You need…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Use Extractions, [crosstalk] Root Canals—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …Root Canals, Fluoride, Mercury, uh— energetic enj— issues, I guess, you know, if there’s energetic issues in the mouth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, I guess someone that may have had a previous Root Canal— you know, you didn’t see them. They’re coming to you with some health issues. They may have had some Root Canals. How would you assess if they need to have their Root Canals removed?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I’d say especially women, if they have any breast Cancer history, ‘cause a lot of the teeth go energetically to the breast. And if their— And that’s a factor, especially if they have an abcess tooth and I asked them— you know, when they’re trying to make their decision. And what’s the history of breast Cancer in your family ‘cause that tooth is on a breast Meridian…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …just so you know. And uhm— that that could be a factor in— And I’ve seen I’d say, probably, all, but two patients, I had that have breast Cancer, had Root Canals on their breast Meridian teeth. And the other two had issues with those teeth that weren’t Root Canals, but they had Periodontal issues around those teeth. So, it’s very common to have a— to see it in Cancer patients— the Root Canals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Makes so much sense. Is there anything else you want to share with the listeners? Do you have a favorite brand of like toothpaste or a favorite kind of like— you know, toothbrush, and others like— you know, those like the electric ones, the conventional ones— any items that you use for oral hygiene that you want to highlight there, you think are the best?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Well, I use a lot. [laughs] I kind of have my spread of toothpaste. I use uh— anything from the charcoal ones to— [stutters] you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Neem or Xylitol?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: I got the Thieves ones are…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: …uhm— You know, there are some with Silver now. Uh— Uh— I think anything that’s natural about Fluoride. Don’t— And s— Do not give your kids Fluoride. Oh my! Don’t give your kids Fluoride toothpaste, and don’t give them Fluoridated drink in the water. Do you know if you get— make baby formula with uh— Fluoridated water, the baby gets 400 times the amount of Fluoride per kilogram weight than an adult?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense. I mean—

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: And— And, yeah. You’re ruining the brain [crosstalk] and everything else.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: One hundred percent. Yeah, at my house, we have a full house water f— water filter that’s Carbon-based. And then, we have a Reverse Osmosis that everything comes to the countertop and then we have a— a trace mineral support that we’ll add a little squirt into our drinking water. We get those extra minerals back in. But, you know— a hundred percent, and if you’re a woman and you’re breastfeeding and you’re drinking tap water or Fluoridated water, that Fluoride’s gonna pass into the breastmilk and there’s research on that low IQ. So, if you want your kid to reach its maximum potential, we want to make sure that that’s out of there, for sure.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah, for sure. Anything that’s non-Fluoridated is good, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect. Perfect. I’m a big fan. I like the— the XyliWhite. I use the Cinnafresh. I like that one. It’s Fluoride-free. It’s got some— you know, some uh— Maluc— uh— not Maluca but the— the Tea tree oil.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhmhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s got the Papain, some of the baking soda. That’s a really nice one.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uhmhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I like that

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Yeah, that’s a good one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. So…

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …if people are listening, and they’re like, “You know what, I live in other part of the country and, you know, could you— would you be able to just do a phone call and tell the people to review their history. Maybe review X-rays to kind of make recommendations on procedures or referrals? Is that something you do?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uh— I can. Sure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So, we’ll put your link down below, austindentalwellness.com. So, if you need to get history evaluation, you want to figure out treatment options, you want to get referrals to doctors in your area. Feel free and schedule a consult with Dr. Joan. Also, if you’re in the Austin area at all— I know people that travel, you know, far in wide, we had ____(name)___[33:37] just come up from Costa Rica to come see you from another continent. So, that’s pretty cool. So, feel free and check Dr. Joan out. She’s my personal dentist. She is great. I’m really happy that she’s on the show here, really sharing this great information. And also, the fact that you have this knowledge on the nutrition aspect and you’re combining that in, and you’re really trying to let a person’s own body be able to heal it and try to work with that, I think is phenomenal.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: That’s great. Yeah. Eat your butter. They say, two parts a day keeps the cavities away.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is there anything else you want to add? Any other like common myths or common questions that you get a lot that you wanted to spell here?

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Uuhm— You know, not that I can think of right now at the end.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect.. Well, we went over some amazing stuff— Cavities, Cavitations, Root Canals, Bridges, Nutrition health, Mercury, Fluoride. We hit like a ton of great topics. So, we’ll make sure this show’s archive will be a full transcription of this, and all the links will be below. So, if you’re listening and you’re like, “Oh, man. I want to reach out to Dr. Joan.” Don’t worry. Click below in the description. You’ll see all of the links below. And Dr. Joan, thank you so much for coming on the show. We look forward to having you back for a round two soon.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Sounds great. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks so much.

Dr. Joan Sefcik, DDS: Bye.

 


References:

Weston A. Price

Dr. Huggins Protocol

The Smoking Tooth by Dr. David Kennedy

Chart of the Meridian Teeth by the International Academy of Biological Dentistry and Medicine.

https://www.austindentalwellness.com/

www.justinhealth.com

Heavy Metals and the Gut Connections – Podcast #175

In today’s podcast, Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand discuss the link between heavy metals and the gut connections. Listen as they talk about how heavy metals affect the gallbladder functions and the outline of things that affect these functions. Also, know the different tests that can detect heavy metals.

Learn how to treat and prevent leaky gut and other gut problems from occurring. Find out the best natural treatments these two will share. Keep watching!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

01:22   The Heavy Metals and Gut Connection

06:40   Factors Affecting Gallbladder Function

11:20   Heavy Metals Disrupts Detoxification in the Gut Microbiota

12:46   Herbs that Supports the Liver

14:33   Cholesterol’s an Important Building Block for Hormones

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys. It’s Dr. J here in the house. Evan, how are we doing man?

Evan Brand: Happy Monday to you. Life is good. The sky is blue. I can’t complain.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it, man.Well, today, we’re gonna chat about heavy metals and the gut connection. I think a lot of people— they get myopically focused on heavy metals and they— One of the first things that people want to do is they want to do this crazy detox when patients first come into care. You have all these docs that want to do that. And again, I think there’s a time and a place for heavy metal uhm— testing. There’s the time and a place for heavy metal detox. One of the biggest things that, you know, we want to chat about today is, “healthy gut function actually helps detoxify heavy metals. Getting rid of parasites can also help de— decrease heavy metals. Also, bringing in healthy gut bacteria, the Lactobacillus rhamnosus species has been shown to actually decrease certain heavy metals as well. So, gut function— Again, good hepatobiliary function, meaning, your liver and your gallbladder dumping bile. Bile helps break down fat. And again, biles also gonna have a whole bunch of potential toxins. And if it may go out via the stool as well. So, healthy gut function, healthy liver and bile function is really important for fat digestion as well as heavy metal reduction. So, let’s kind of just talk about heavy metals and how it connects to the gut.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So, the first thing is, if you’ve got a leaky gut, that’s a problem. So, you’ve  eventually got to fix leaky gut. And of course, as you mentioned, people are typically doing it in the wrong order. They want to go straight to a heavy metal detox as the first step to their protocol. But, if you’ve got a leaky gut, we know that you’ve likely gut a— a leaky brain. Now, I haven’t looked too much into the brain. I don’t even know how you would do this with a test. I guess it would have to be postmortem, like, how— How could you even test heavy metals in the brain. Like, we know that with a leaky  brain that’s possible, but how would you even test that to prove what we’re saying? I feel like it’d be hard. It’s like, what do you do? You cut a piece of the brain out and test it for metals? Like how would you even do that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, regarding the heavy metals, I mean, it’d be hard that you’d have to do Tissue Burden Test. So, like, you’d have to use like a chelation agent, like a DMPS or a DMSA. Uh— I like DMPS ‘cause they shown that that can kind of like scrape the surface of the blood-brain barrier. Dr. Rashid Buttar talks about, like— if here’s your blood-brain barrier, there’s some metals right on the periphery. The DMPS just kind of comes by and just— just sloughs off that surface heavy metal uh— amount that’s hanging out there. So, that’s kind of the benefit that you get from the DMPS. It just kind of comes by the surface and just kind of scrapes off what’s hanging out there versus going in there, and uhm— you know, throw on a rock in a beehives, right? [crosstalk] That’s the big issue with metals is— I— I know a chiropractor colleague of mine that did a heavy metal chelation off the bat. He did like an IV thing and he did just kind of whim into that first, and he literally got paralyzed from it. He had parts of his body that were paralyzed and almost like, you know, with that— with the hand, uh— hyperflexion like that, right? That kind of thing, like a stroke, but he still has it to this day from doing an excessive amount of heavy metal uh— liberation off the bat. And Dr. Kharrazian’s talked about, you know, when he first got in the functional medicine doing some IV heavy metal chelations, people getting incredibly sick. So, I really want to put our focus to patients that are listening to this, and like, “Oh, I’m myopically focused on heavy metals,” think about as we get the gut better, as we get digestion better, or actually getting heavy metals reduced.

Evan Brand:  Yeah. So like, let’s talk about— You mentioned the bile already, but let’s go back to that for a second. We know that when we get your stool test back, if we look at your elevated fecal fat, to stay out of crit marker, we can know. Okay. You’re not digesting fats well. You’re probably not making enough bile. If you’ve got s— a sluggish liver, sluggish gallbladder function. To me that seems like one of the— the pinch points, if you will, of the metals.Could you speak on that a bit? Like me— the gallbladder and the metal connection?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. A lot of the metals are dumped out via the hepatobiliary system, right? This is kind of like the big issue with a lot of people and potential, like, vaccination issues. Like, there’s some Aluminum ins— in a lot of the vaccines now, and a lot of the people are concerned, because in that first year to a life that hapalic— that hepatobiliary function isn’t quite dialed in yet. So, if you’re getting exposed to some metals, it may be we don’t have quite the mechanisms to get rid of those metals, right? That’s some of the people on the Aluminum side uhm— there’s still a little bit of thimerosal in the flu vaccine still, which is a— Ethyl mercury compound. So, having healthy hepatobiliary function, meaning— hepato means liver, biliary means bile and bile ducts. So, you have liver, and then that kind of like, you have the— the bile production that happens in the liver, and then it goes down to the gallbladder, and the gallbladder holds it and concentrates it. And then, when you have fat in your diet, that produces a hormone called CCK, Cholecystokinin, which then causes the gallbladder to contract, and it produces bile salt, which then help emulsify and break down the fat. So, imagine like a big fatty, like, you know— Let’s say you cooked a bacon in the pan, right? And, you feel that the bacon coating after is kind of uh— dried, so to speak. Well, that’s like— it’s just like stuck there, right? Imagine you get some nice Dawn soap, and you break it up. It emulsifies. It breaks down that fatty coating. And that’s kind of what’s bile salts do. It’s like that Dawn dish soap. It breaks it down, so your body can absorb a lot of those fat-soluble nutrients— Vitamin A, Vitamin D, Vitamin E, Vitamin K, the EPA fats in fish oil, the DHA fats in fish oil, the healthy saturated fats as well. So, makes sense.

Evan Brand: Yeah, it does. So, what’s happening with the low-fat diet then, if you’re not getting that gallbladder to fire, and therefore secrete bile. To me, since like, you’ve got a problem on your hands.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, not having enough fat in your diet is like not changing the oil in your car, right? Everyone has the experience if you gone too long without changing the oil, what happens? It starts getting sludgy, right? And you don’t have that lubricant there for your engine, but it starts getting sludgy. And, in our gallbladder analogy, it starts actually crystallizing and forming stones. That’s part of the reason why people can have gallbladder stone issues— gallstone issues uh— is because these stones crystallize because they’re not moving. So, it’s like a river— It’s like a fast-flowing river when it gets cold. If the river’s not moving, it can freeze, right? If it’s moving really well, it’s hard for a moving river to at least freeze, especially when it gets colder. It may still freeze but it’s gonna be harder for it to freeze. So, think of the bile that’s moving. It’s just not gonna form and— and crystallize and get the stones going because it’s got too much inertia behind it.

Evan Brand: And then maybe we can chat about stress a bit. I mean, heavy metals are definitely a stress but, what about adrenals and emotional stress, and— Let’s say, you’re eating too fast, or you’re not chewing food well. No. I want to try to outline a few different things that would affect gallbladder function. Let’s say, you are eating a whole foods diet. You’re getting good fats in. You could still have gallbladder problems. Just ‘cause you eat high-fat or higher fat, doesn’t mean that you’re not po— It’s not possible for you to still have gallbladder issues and therefore, fat digestion problems.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, can you repeat your question?

Evan Brand: The question is, “What are all the factors that would— that would affect gallbladder function or suppress gallbladder function, even if you had fat in the diet, too? You heard that part about…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …low fat [crosstalk] being bad? [crosstalk] Well, I eat— I eat a lot of fat. So, what other things could affect the gallbladder?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, number one, toxins can be more fat-soluble, so we want to choose healthy fat-soluble sources or, you know, healthy— you know, fats. Right? Not with the whole bunch of pesticides and chemicals that tend to be a more magnet for kep— for— for— for chemicals, right? Toxins. So, metals are toxin as well. So, if we are, you know— If we are having metals, right? They’re gonna be in the bile. They’re gonna be in the fat. And ideally, the body’s gonna sequester those and pull those out. If we have additional metals, we can give binders like charcoal or clays, or modified citrus pectin or chlorella, which kind of help bind those things up, and help us kind of escort out of the body better. Now, when we have excess adrenal stress, that activates the sympathetic fight or flight nervous system. And when the fight or flight nervous system is activated, it’s gonna make it harder for us to increase stomach acid levels with decreased stomach acid levels. It’s also gonna decrease enzyme levels. So, -when we have lower stomach acid, we need high stomach acid to activate our Cholecystokinin, that’s CCK. And then, CCK’s what stimulates the gallbladder from emptying so, if we have good stomach acid levels, high stomach acid levels, we’re gonna have good enzyme levels. We’re gonna be able to break down the fats better. We’re gonna be able to, then, increase the CCK. And then, that’s gonna stimulate the gallbladder, which will empty, and that’s gonna have potential toxins in the— in the bile as well. So, that bile’s gonna potentially have the ability to break down fat, but there also will be some toxins that will be dumped out. So, we have to have healthy stress levels ‘cause if we have really slow motility, we could potentially reabsorb a lot of those toxin that’s in our bile. That’s why we want good motility. Low thyroid function can create low motility. SIBO and— and dysbiosis, and infections can create low motility. They can also create fast motility, which again, the problem with that is then we create a malabsorption environment. And then we talked about stress in the adrenals in that sympathetic nervous system, decreasing stomach acid, decreasing enzymes, decreasing CCK. which then decreases bile flow. Decreased bile flow is gonna prevent those metals being removed via hepatobiliary, liver to gallbladder, gallbladder back into the intestines, then intestines into the stool, and stool into the toilet.

Evan Brand: Yep, well said. So, the whole cascade can really just fall apart at the top of the food chain, as usual, with digestion. So, if you’re eating while you’re stressed out, you’re not chewing your food, your rushing through a meal, maybe your playing on your phone, or reading a newspaper while your eating— just anything that’s generally taking you away from the present moment, which is the parasympathetic process of digestion. If you’re in sympathetic, you will not digest. So, you’ve got to chill out. You’ve got to relax. I tell people if you’ve got five minutes before and after meal just to breathe and just relax— you know, even my wife, I’ll get on her sometimes. She’ll be eating the last bite of food, and then she’s scraping the plate into the garbage.l It’s like, “No. No. No. Slow down. Sit at the table for a few minutes. Chill out.” Because if you can start that first cascade, “Okay. I have food in my belly,” your in a good place. Now, you brought up infections, so let’s go a little deeper there. We’ve chatted about H. pylori lots of times but I think it’s worth mentioning here with heavy metals because if you have H. pylori that bacterial infection is gonna shut down HCL. So, if you’re low on Hydrochloric acid, now the gallbladder’s basically not gonna get this message to secrete, and therefore, you’re not gonna have the ability to push metals out. The fecal fat’s gonna go up, and it could all happen just from H. pylori alone.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. I have one study here. I want to just kind of read the abstract here a little bit. Uhm— so, off the bat, they talked about the gastrointestinal epithelium having several functions. Number one, being a physical barrier ensuring mucosal immune response and excluding or detoxifying harmful intestinal content. So, healthy gut bacteria has a major effect on detoxifying healthy content. So, heavy metals can also disrupt the gut microbiota, but low and poor microbiota, poor healthy gut bacteria can also have an effect on detoxification. So, this is why eating really good foods that don’t contain xenobiotics or foreign antibiotic sources, meat that’s not, you know, conventional, so we’re not getting exposure to antibiotics. Just not getting exposure to antibiotics in our overall life, in general, will have a big help on that. Not eating excess sugar— all of these things can affect our microbiome. Having infections like you mentioned earlier, Evan, with the H. pylori can also affect the microbiome. And then, with poor microbiota balance that can potentially affect our body’s ability to rid itself of these toxins.

Evan Brand: Yep. So, let’s go into some of the— the binder conversation a bit. You hit on clay. You hit on— What was the other one you mentioned? Could—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Activated [crosstalk] charcoal is good. Uh— modified citrus pectin is really good. Chlorella— different types of Chlorella is excellent to bind up Mercury in the gut. Chlorella is not great at pulling out Mercury in the body but it’s really good by pulling it out in the gut.

Evan Brand: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm— The modified citrus pectin is really great ‘cause that’s been shown to reduce Lead. They’ve done studies in— in retirement homes where they’ve seen that significantly reduced Lead. And I like that because it’s not like a liberator. It’s not like maybe a chelation compound that may liberate and— and you know, throw a rock in the beehives, so to speak. It’s more just cleaning up what’s hanging out.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, it’s a little bit different than like a DMSA or a DMPS— those kind of compounds.

Evan Brand: Let’s chat about herbs a bit, too. I mean, we use a lot of things that can help support the liver.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cilantro’s great, right?

Evan Brand: What about like a burdock? We’ve got Milk thistle. We’ve got uh— Vitamin A we use a lot. Beetroot powder is good. Goldenrod can be good, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Those are all really good for bioflow. Like a lot of those herbs are very tonifying and supporting to oxidative stress in the liver, like Milk thistle or Silymarin, like the Burdock, or the Dandelion root, or the Fringe tree root for fringe reactant. These are really good for liver and gallbladder flow. So, they allow things to flow better. Better flow, things go out into the uh— intestines, where they should go, and that’s gonna then help a fat breakdown. It’s also gonna with toxin elimination. And again, we can also increase the fiber, right, which is basically what modified Citrus pectin is ‘cause that finder wil— uh— bu— uh— fiber will prevent the bile from being recycled. And why is that helpful? Well, if the bile has maybe more heavy metals in it. It may not be the kind of bile that we want to recycle. We may want to get rid of it. So, like I mentioned, when you dumped out the bile, it’s gonna serve for fatty acid digestion. But it’s also may have some toxins in it, as well. So, our body likes to recycle a lot of that uhm— bile, uhm— that’s why like the Cholestyramines, which are like the older statin— They’re not really a statin but they’re cholesterol-lowering drugs, and they were basically, bile sueuestory agents— Bile salt sequestering, that means it would bind to the bile, and pull it out. Now, guys like Ritchie Shoemaker are doing that as a way to eliminate mycotoxins. Did I say a lot of mycotoxins are in the bile as well. So, they’re trying to remove the mycotoxins in mold by giving bile salt sequestering agents. We can deal with different fibers as well, and that prevents that bile from being reabsorbed. But— Again, bile’s primarily Cholesterol. What’s cholesterol, guys? Cholesterol’s a building block for a lot of your hormones. If you look at the hormonal cascade, we have cholesterol. We have pregnenolone, and then pregnenolone shoots out in the progesterone, shoots out in the estrogen, shoots out in the mineralocorticoids, like aldosterone that help with mineral regulation. And then, we have cortisol and the stress hormones on the other side. So, cholesterol’s really important. It’s not that it’s bad and you want to get rid of it, it’s that it also could have a— uh— be a magnet in the form of bile salts towards metals. And if we have metal issues, we may want to use some kind of a natural fiber to knock it out. To—

Evan Brand: Uh— So— So, if cholesterol is too low, like with the statin medication, or if cholesterol is— let’s say, in the 400’s, I guess— is there an issue being too high or too low?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, it definitely can be. I mean, it can be. So, if cholesterol’s too high, it can mean there’s low thyroid function, potentially. Uhm— Cholesterol’s like a band-aid, so think about it as if you’ve walked into a thorn bush. You’re gonna need more band-aids that there are less band-aids, right? A lot more because of the inflammation from the thorn. So, cholesterol could be laying down more internal band-aids in the arteries in the area that’s inflamed because of stress and inflammation. So, that’s also possible, too. You could be hypocholesterolemia. Again, this is gonna be something that will be chronic throughout your whole life because the enzyme uhm— that stimulates cholesterol, the HMG-CoA reductase enzyme is overactive, so, that’s gonna stimulate more cholesterol production. And then also, regarding uhm— you know, cholesterol, I think some of the research in the— I think it was the Framingham Heart Study showed like 320 or higher is where the risk factor of cholesterol could be bad for your heart. Right. That’s where it can kind of increase. So, that 320 point, we like to look at the ratio between HdL and total cholesterol. We like it— you know, below 4 ½ to 4, and that’s a pretty good way to look at it. So, if you’re HDL’s around 80 or 90, and your— let’s say, four times 90 is 360; 360 may not be bad for cholesterol if your HDL is within that four (4) to 4 ½ level. I— I may be okay with that, but we have to look at the thyroid. We have to look at the systemic inflammation. Uhm— We have to kind of take the whole entire body in— in perspective of what’s happening.

Evan Brand: Yeah, ‘cause you can’t just take somebody and say, “Everyone has to be below 200 with total cholesterol.” This doesn’t makes sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And again, the reason why I like doing like bile salts sequestering compounds, whether it’s natural stuff, like citrus pectins, or whether it’s like a cholestyramine. The reason why it’s not as bad as astatine is because, number one, Astatine’s blocking the enzyme that makes cholesterol. The problem is, that enzyme is also active for the— the Mevalonic acid pathway— that same pathway that makes internal CoQ10. So, the problem with the statin is your blocking the enzyme that also makes CoQ10, and CoQ10’s really important for your mitochondria and your Krebs cycle generating ATP and energy. And that’s a problem, because if you look at antibiotics and a lot of the pharmaceutical drugs, just type in any drug, or any antibiotic, and type in the word mitochondrial dysfunction that these medications have some negative effects on the mitochondria. So, if you’re doing that, you’re taking Astatine, which automatically lowers ther— the— the building blocks that run that mitochondria, CoQ10 Ubiquinone, right? That’s gonna affect everything. That’s gonna make your mitochondria really sluggish, and maybe decrease your ability to generate energy. Maybe, increase your chance for chronic fatigue, another adrenal and thyroid issues. And, CoQ10’s also really important for autoimmune thyroid. It really helps with thyroid inflammation, so you’re really more prone to other inflammatory conditions ‘cause those anti-inflammatory nutrients aren’t there. Plus, if you’re decreasing your cholesterol levels uhm— artificially, with Astatine, you’re also gonna have less building blocks for your hormones. And the, cholesterol levels below— Let’s see here. It’s on my Dry-erase board. Cholesterol levels below 160 increases your chance of psychotic illness, Alzheimer’s, Dementia.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’ll see a video about that later on today. So, low cholesterol— And that’s actually NIH study, right there. Off the bat—

Evan Brand: I’ve seen that with depression, too. There’s— There’s…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmhmn—

Evan Brand: …other literature out there about depression with cholesterol being too low, too. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, a hundred percent. [crosstalk] No doubt, man.

Evan Brand: That’s a trip. Well, well said about that. Uh— regarding the— the instage for people with heavy metals, the timeline is key here. So, remember, this is a— a marathon. This is a long-term thing. I don’t think heavy metals are something where you could just come in, do a couple months, or maybe even three— six months, and then just say, I’m done with metals. ‘Cause it just doesn’t work like that. The environment is just too toxic with metals. So, this is really something that I don’t know how you want to frame it, Justin, but to me, it’s something that should be daily.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, man. I think it’s gonna be a long-term thing. I think the big exposure for heavy metals for most people is gonna be Mercury filli— fillings. Uhm— Most people call them Silver fillings, but they’re greater than 50 percent Mercury, so— you know, we call them what they are. They’re Mercury Amalgam fillings. Uhm— Some people talk about fish being a big source of Mercury. I think it depends. Uh— A natural chelator of Mercury is Selenium, and Selenium— If you eat fish that are higher in Selenium in relationship to Mercury, that’s gonna— You’re automatically gonna have more of a chelator that will help with the reduction of Mercury. So, like Skipjack tuna is really high in Selenium to Mercury, while the Alaskan Sockeye Salmon uhm— Cod Haddock— So, my in site— I— if— We’ll put it up there. A good Selenium to Mercury ratio type of fish, so you can see where the Mercury’s much higher than Selenium. And again, if you want to consume some of these fish, and you’re a little bit, you know, on the edge about it, you’ll— say, you’re pregnant, or you’re just want to be careful, you can always take a little bit of Chlorella with some fish or some activated charcoal. I’m okay with that, too. But, just know that Selenium is gonna be a natural chelator for it. And also, Selenium’s really important for thyroid inflammation and thyroid conversion. It’s a building block for Glutathione, so, it’s a cofactor with Glutathione production, and it’s also gonna be uhm— tsp— the enzyme 5-deiodinase enzyme that activates T4 to T3. Your inactive to active thyroid hormone will come from Selenium as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah. You got to have at least what, 200 mics. And then sometimes, with autoimmunity, we may even bump it up closer to like a 400 hundred microgram daily of Selenium.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah, 400 microgram may be a really good spot, supplementally. You know, anywhere between 400, supplementally, to maybe an additional 400 in your diet,a s well.

Evan Brand: And, what do you do for fish? How often? What are you doing for fish?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I do one to two times a week, at least. I do Skipjack tuna, a lot of times. That’s got a very high Selenium to Mercury ratio. I also consume it with, maybe some extra really good fats and a lot of the good vegetables along with it. Uh— if I go out and do Sushi, I will typically uhm— bring some activated charcoal along with me, just to be on the safe side.

Evan Brand: I’m wonder— I mean, with the charcoal, it’s like if you’re eating that around the meal time, are you sabotaging yourself in terms of absorbing other nutrients from that meal?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, I don’t think a hundred percent. I mean, definitely less, but you kind of have to factor in. You know, if you’re more worried about some of the potential toxins that are in there, then, I would always air on the side of taking some activated charcoal. It’s not gonna soak everything up, but—

Evan Brand: Right. So, [crosstalk] you got to choose your battles.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, it’s an adsorbing compound, so it— it’s like a magnet. So, it doesn’t just like bind the stuff, like indiscriminately. It has a— an— a magnetic-like attraction to pull these toxins in.

Evan Brand: Yep. Yeah, that make’s sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s an adsorbent, not an absorbent. Right. Absorb is like— Think of a sponge absorbing a whole bunch of fluid on— on a countertop. ANd, adsorbent is like— remember back in like, grade school, you see the thing with the— with the Iron fillings, and then you put a magnet over it and all the Iron fillings jump towards the magnet. It’s kind of like that.

Evan Brand: Yep, well said. That’s cool. That makes a lot more sense to visualize it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmhmn—

Evan Brand:  Let’s look at some of these questions to see if any of these are pertinent to the— to the equation here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Let’s do it.

Evan Brand: Uh— We had one from Tessa. She said, “If you have low Iron, does this indicate possible heavy metal toxicity?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you have low Iron, hard to say. I mean, I would look at it as, you know, “Are you a Vegan vegetarian?” If you’re a female, “Are you— are you having excessive menstruation?” I would look at those first, number one. number two, there could be malabsorption in the gut. So, I would look at that first. I wouldn’t look at— I wouldn’t jump to the heavy metals with low Iron levels.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I would say, look at infections, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mn—

Evan Brand: ‘Cause Justin and I are seeing a lot of [crosstalk] parasites.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —sorption.

Evan Brand: Also, we’re seeing uh— worms. And a lot of these worms, like Hookworm, they can also cause Anemia and steal your Iron. So, definitely get a stool test run. Look for all these big bugs and see if you can find it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent.

Evan Brand: Uh— Here’s one from Addy. She experiences Chronic Fatigue intermittently. She has a doctor’s visit tomorrow. What kind of labs should she ask for? Uh— Addy, if you’re going to a conventional doctor, even if you’ve request a lab, which I would recommend, and Justin would probably say the same, is an Organic Acids Test, so you can look into mitochondrial function, as well as liver detox function, Glutathione, amino acids. Conventional docs is  not gonna have a clue what you’re talking about. You could try, but that’s what I would look at if I were looking at Chronic Fatigue. And then also, you could try getting a salivary adrenal test run, because if you have Cortisol that’s too high or Cortisol that’s too low— If you’re not in the Goldilocks zone, you could be Chronically Fatigued that way. I know I was when I had adrenal problems. So, I would say those two tests. Justin, what do you say?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean— So, you said the adrenals, right? And you said [crosstalk] thyroid?

Evan Brand: I said the Oat…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yes.

Evan Brand: …and adrenals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, and adrenal, yeah. I would add probably thyroid to that as well, because you get off three factors of the energy system, right? You have the mitochondrium nutrients, which usually picked up in the Oat. You have the adrenal, which will affect the Cortisol— The Cortisol, the Glucocorticoid steroid— Gluco meaning blood sugar and energy, and then thyroid’s gonna be your— your metabolic thermostat. So, those are gonna be the big three. But just know, like, you’re conventional med— If you’re trying to get functional medicine care in a conventional medical model, alright, i— i— it’s like gym and a square peg in a circle hole. It’s just not gonna work. They’re not gonna work. They’re gonna run TSH. They’re gonna look at you about mitochondria and be like, “Yeah. I don’t know what you’re talking about there.” And then, Cortisol-wise, they’ll say, “Well. I don’t think you have Cushing’s or Addison’s because you don’t have any of the symptoms. And then, the— ma— They may say, “Okay. Let’s run an ACTH Stim Test.” Maybe, “Let’s run a Cortisol Serum.” If they— If they placate you, right? But that’s not gonna give you the data you need ‘cause a lot of what we’re talking about are functional imbalances, not pathological diseases.

Evan Brand: `Agreed. Yeah. Well said. I— I would say her only— her only shot or her best shot would be using the conventional doctor to get the bloodwork done. But, you’ve really got to pound them that you want more than the TSH. You would want to make sure that you get also the free T3, the free T4, the reverse T3, if you can, the TPO antibody, which is your thyroid peroxidase antibody, and then your TG, which is your thyroglobulin antibodies. I’d also give Vitamin D, get your B12 levels checked. That would be great too. Maybe red blood cell Magnesium— That’s what you could use a conventional doc for. If the— If you’re lucky, they’ll run those extra markers. But if they just do TSH, you’re wasting your time. So, make sure. Make sure. Make sure. Triple make sure, they do the antibodies for you— TPO and TG.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Hundred percent, makes sense. What do you think next for questions here, Evan?

Evan Brand: Uh— Let’s see here. Most of these are off-topic, so I don’t want to divert us. Too bad. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If you guys are asking questions, we love the questions. Try to keep it as much on topic as possible. And again, if you’re liking the show, give us a thumbs up, give us a share. We love the exposure. We want to help more people. That’s our mission. And again, the more exposure we get, the more we can help more people. Plus, we want to answer your questions as well.

Evan Brand: Yup. Here’s one. So, Tessa asked here, how do you increase your stomach acid? Take digestive enzymes, just eat certain foods, or both? Uh— First, you got to figure out if your stomach acid’s low, why would your stomach acid be low? We hit on H. pylori being a big cause of low stomach acid. Also…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …eating while you’re stressed, eating in a rush, not chewing your food, just any lifestyle stressors that can impact stomach acid levels. What else would you add, Justin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So, She’s got the cart before the horse. It’s the— the HCl causes the low enzyme levels to the most part, because the HCl’s a trigger for activating Pepsin, Pepsinogen to Pepsin. That’s an enzyme. And, it’s also the trigger for activating a lot of uh— enzyme released from the pancreas. So, we need to increase acidity. So, the first thing you can do is work on the stress. Like you mentioned, chewing your food up helps increase the surface area. And then, if you want, you could add in some digestive stimulators, like a little bit of lemon juice or a little bit of Apple cider vinegar right before your meal. And you could even work your way up to some supplemental HCl. In my line, we use HCl Supreme. And we may also add in some supplemental enzymes, and we— we do them separately with people that have a lot of digestive issues because of Atrophic Gastritis, meaning their gut lining’s so thin they may be only able to handle a small amount of HCl but a larger amount of enzymes. And if we give HCl and enzymes together, we have to increase it in that ratio versus we can stop where the HCl starts to irritate, and go back a little bit. And then, we can continue to up the enzymes accordingly, so that’s why we do it that way. But, of course, we’re always focused on root cause, first: stress, chewing, not hydrating with food, uhm— you know— getting rid of the H. pylori, getting rid of the dysbiosis. But then, using the supplements to help support your gut, kind of like you would— you know— be on crutches if you broke your ankles. Kind of the same philosophy.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. And— and wer— we’re going a little bit more conservative with our dose of HCl, so if you look at something like a now food super enzyme, they’re gonna have a bunch of enzymes but they’ve got like 700 or 800 milligram, nearly, of Betaine Hydrochloric acid. That could be too much for a lot of our clients because if they have gut bugs or other infections that’s irritating, creating that Gastritis you mentioned. That’s too much. So, if you look at our formulas, we go a bit more conservative. Like [crosstalk] 200 hundred milligram would be a starting place. Two hundred milligram Betaine— You may want to start there, just because if you’ve got issues, you may throw 6— 7— 800 in and you might do— do more harm than good, and we don’t want that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Again, the people that are more sensitive, they’re gonna know. And if you don’t know, just start with the— a tablespoon of Apple cider vinegar. If you do okay there, then you could probably start a little bit higher and work your way up.

Evan Brand: Dilute it or— You’re saying dilute it with a little bit of water, or—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think you could just shoot it down straight.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, for me, I just rather shoot it down straight and get it done with ‘cause it’s so terrible. [laughs]

Evan Brand: Oh, yeah. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You could always do a shot of lemon juice, as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ‘Cause that gets the digestive support done.

Evan Brand: Yup. Are you saying just for the test or just regularly you would do a shot ACV? I don’t know if that would affect the teeth or not if it’s— if it’s touching your teeth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh— I— I’d be okay with it. It’s not gonna— It’s n9ot bathing in it, right? You know—

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The acid that in your mouth that sits around your teeth, primarily is from sugar, right? The staph mutan, the bacteria in the mouth, eats a lot of the— the sugar in carbohydrate and then spits off all these acids. So, it’s more of the sugar consumption that creat— creates the acid via the gut— via the bacteria in the mouth.

Evan Brand: True. True. That’s true. Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I would think maybe that ACV may even kill some of that bacteria as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Acetic acid— you know, a lot of these critters don’t— they don’t like a uhm— you know, acids like that.

Evan Brand: Yup. Yup. I think there’s one more question here that was on topic— kind of on topic from Neem here. He asked, uh— “How do you go about reintroducing foods after Candida, SIBO, or other infections?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: One at a time. One food at a time, every three to four days. Lower those and then increment it up. Any negative symptoms— ANy negative symptoms pull that food out.

Evan Brand: How— How do you approach it? I know there are certain people that say, “Oh, there’s uh— AIP reintroduction. You’ve got to start with like egg yolk, and then egg white, and then nuts.” Have you seen a big difference in the order of operation…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …[crosstalk] or is it really just whatever food?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I do. I have an autoimmune handout, Autoimmune Reintroduction Diet handout…

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …on my blog post. Take a look at that. We’ll try to have it posted in the show notes. But, I try to always start with like egg yolks over the egg, because some people can handle the egg yolk but not the egg and the egg whites. Right? I always like soft poached like sof the yolk is runny versus fully-cooked because of the deoxidation and the rancidification of the cooking process. So, soft yolks before going to a solid yolk. You know, uhm— and then egg whites whole eggs seconds. Right? And then next would be Ghee before butter, and then one nut at a time, one seed at a time, one nightshade at a time. That’s kind of a good general order to do it, because some people can handle the— the egg yolk soft and not cooked, or they just can’t handle the egg white at all. Some can handle Ghee, but they can’t handle the butter. So, there’s an incremental way in why we do it.

Evan Brand: And then other foods, I mean, people freak out a lot about fruit in Candida. I haven’t seen a big issue with berries. If we’re doing organic berries [crosstalk]… a serving—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —or two a day is fine. I’m not worried about that.

Evan Brand: There’s so— those people that are like, “Oh my God! You have to do this Candida diet. If you eat one piece of fruit, you’re gonna feed the Candida, and you’re protocol’s not gonna work.” It’s just not true.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We may even up the Carbohydrates during killing, that act like cheese in the mouse trap. To bait them out.

Evan Brand: Uh— that’s interesting. So, timing— I mean, we always like to talk about carbs with dinner, like maybe a sweet potato—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think carbs with dinner is better. I mean, the way I look at it is I want to stack the fasting period from sleep. I want to stack that period with keeping the carbs superlow the first two meals of the day, ‘cause then I can take eight or ten hours without eating. And then, do another six to eight hours without having really any carbs, maybe outside of veggies, so I can stack that ketogenic timeframe of getting, you know, 16 hours in without really much carbohydrate. I like that stacking period.

Evan Brand: Well, your brain works better, too. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hm—

Evan Brand: [crosstalk] Another benefit.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You can up the carbohydrates, you know, post-workout or you can even do it at night before you go to bed, or around dinner time is fine. You can add in a serving or two of fruit. You can add in a serving of, you know, healthy safe starch grain-free versions. That’s all great.

Evan Brand: Awesome. I think that was all the questions. So, if you want to wrap it up, we sure can.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think it’s great. Someone asked about uhm— lymphatic support. A Red Root or Red Clover is great. Uh— ginger’s also great. Rebounding or Whole Body Vibration’s also phenomenal. Uh— there’s some really good lymphatic support homeopathic by a company called Heal. Heal is some really good lymphatic detox support. Those are great. I like that all significantly. Well, guys, give us a like. Give us a thumbs up. Uh— hit the bell as well. That will actually tell you when we’re going live. We’ll try to go live on Fridays and Monday mornings here. I may go live once during the week, ‘cause I’m just— I’m getting so stoked with all these people listening and watching and great questions. So, hit that bell. Give me a thumbs up. Give me a share right now. We want to help people. Anyone in your life that’s having health issues, have them tune on-board. We’l— We’ll get their questions answered. And Evan, what a great show today, man. You look phenomenal today, brother.

Evan Brand: A lot of fun, you too. If you guys need to reach out, schedule a call. Look up Justin’s site. It’s justinhealth.com. You can schedule a consult there. Also, uh— you’ll check at other things, too that aren’t here on the videos. So, there’s other articles and things. There’s full transcriptions. You don’t mention that but I think it’s worth if people—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Full transcriptions.

Evan Brand: If people need to go back and read some of these, that’s on Justin’s site. So, go view that. And then, if you want to reach out, schedule a consult with me. You could do the same thing at my site, evanbrand.com. So we look forward to helping you out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Evan, hey man. You look phenomenal today. You take care.

Evan Brand: You too. See you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care. Bye.

Evan Brand: Buh-bye.


References:

Dr. Rashid A. Buttar, Trans-Dermal DMPS

Dr. Datis Kharrazian, “IV metal chelation causes people to get incredibly sick”

Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., Bile sequestering

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