Natural Strategies to Detoxify Glyphosate or Round Up | Podcast #345
Several studies demonstrate that exposure to glyphosate to humans (and mammals) can cause serious chronic health problems. Also, exposure to glyphosate usually manifests slowly over time and results in apparent dysfunctions in biological systems.
According to Dr. J and Evan, several recent studies claim that glyphosate accumulates in the bones, intestine, spleen, liver, muscle, and kidney. And because glyphosate is so prevalent, it will be essential to incorporate foods into your diet that help your body detoxify. It may entail making lifestyle choices that you can and are willing to do daily for the long term.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
6:04: What does glyphosate do?
10:37: The benefits of organic foods, air filters, and water filters
15:17: Glutathione and Collagen
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are Live! It’s Dr. J here in the house with Evan Brand. Today we’re gonna be chatting about natural strategies to help detoxify round ups or glyphosate. Really excited to be chatting with Evan today. Evan, how are you doing today man?
Evan Brand: Doing really well! This is a super important topic.You sea many many lawsuit around the country happen and bayer who bought monsato. They’re really trying to get out of it. I’ve seen several, I’m no law expert but I’ve seen several stories how basically they’re trying to just, throw one lump sum out there for all the cases, as there are thousand and thousand of cases coming at them, because of different cancers like non-hodgkin’s lymphoma that people are claiming that has been linked to their glyphosate exposure. Whether it was like the school grounds worker who was a famous story or other people. They’re really coming at them hard and they’re really really trying to weasel this way out of it and then I saw news just uh, last week actually, that glyphosate is actually going to be phased. I don’t know if you saw this but it said it’s going to be phased out by 2023. So I sent this new article over to Stephanie Synep who I’ve interviewed several times about glyphosate, and she goes “yeah, I saw this. They’re probably just going to come out with another slightly different molecule that’s just as toxic”. So she didn’t think it was that exciting news.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting! Yeah, I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s kind of like a lot of the medication they have many me’s for it right. Something they can re-patent, um, almost the same molecular structure so they know it’s going to work based on the previous medication or compound but they don’t really have to do too much RND on it because, it’s so close to where it was. So yeah, I get that maybe, probably, the same toxicity profile too. So that makes sense, hopefully that’s not going to be the case but either way, we have a lot of toxins in our environment and roundup’s just one that we have a lot of other pesticides, herbicides, or genocides that are out there. Obviously, a lot of potential chemicals in the water, air, and so roundup or we can kind of put roundup of pesticides – all in the same category, I think that’s pretty fair . So you know first thing is, try to mitigate the use of them on your property, I mean, I use a little bit of pesticides in a spot treating, man. Are we trying to avoid anything blanketed or anything just, you know, blanketed across the board, and you know, we don’t really play out in the grass that much, I mean so if your kids are rolling around out in the grass definitely pay extra money and have those weeds picked up by hand. I think that’s a better way to do it but every now and then, there may be a necessity to spot treat stuff but do your best to avoid that especially if your kids are playing near glass like that, or just have a grass in your yard that you know, this is the play area this where the kids go. We put a nice little rock pit in our backyard just because we know that the rock pit’s going to be perfect right? Put some like, soft help you know, small pebbles in there, um, that are you, um, still fun to play in and they have a digger pit and all that so just try to do your best if you have kids that are young that are playing; mitigate any playing on areas that have any pesticides at all; try to mitigate the use of them, 100 percent and try to have safe, safe spaces in your yard that, you know are perfectly clean.
Evan Brand: There is an alternative to roundup. I’m trying to figure out what it was the moms across America did and article on it-I’m trying to fin it here-it was like a non-toxic weed control. I don’t care about weeds; my grass looks cool and it’s got clover. We’ve got many other different species of plants besides just grass. I mean, I think it’s a myth and it’s dumb you have all these neighborhoods where they think you got to have the grass looking perfect, and grass is just like another version of monoculture. It’s like if you go and walk through my yard, you’re going to see so many different types of plants so I just don’t care. I think people have been brainwashed by the mainstream industry. Even our neighbor we’ve seen you know just out in flip-flops, spraying the glyphosate on their weeds. It’s like who said dandelions are bad? Like, that’s the first food for bee so for me, I’d rather see the field full of dandelions. I guess it’s personal preference but I kind of like it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It just depends. You know, the biggest problem with weeds in relationship to grass as they grow like, three times the speed, so if you haven’t cut your lawn for a week your grass in this long and your weeds are this long, right? So you missed the nice homogeneous, kind of, clean lawn. I’m a big long guy, I like a nice, clean, homogeneous lawn so I’ll walk out there, you know, halfway through the week if I see any weeds popping up; it’s easy because they grow twice the speed, it’s grass, and I’ll just go and take five minutes, and I’ll just pull my hand. You know, I’m like I like a really nice pretty front lawn. So I’ll go there spend 5-10 minutes a week walking around, pulling by hand, just to mitigate the chemical usage but. First thing is, decrease the chemical usage, decrease the chemical dependency out of the gates. I guess that’s the easiest first step.
Evan Brand: So here’s one. So it’s called, there’s one called Dr. Kirchner natural grass and weed killer. I’m gonna to try to look it up, see what the ingredients. There’s another one, another competitor to it called, Green Gobler. And that’s a 20% vinegar weeding grass killer. And this thing’s got crazy high reviews of it. This Dr. Kirchner k-I-r-c-h-n-e-r natural weed killer . This is just, so it’s four percent sodium chloride, interesting. And they say this ocean water-based product is made for non-selective control of broad-leaf weeds and wheat grasses results in hours. So there you go, I mean it sounds like they’re just using like, concentrated ocean water, they’ve got thousands of five-star reviews on people, people on Amazon are posting their reviews of them in their garden after spraying this stuff and it literally kills it all. This lady said here that it’s magical and safe. So there you go!
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we’ll have to put some links down below. So you have what, so what are those two products? Those ones that was an apple cider vinegar-based, what else?
Evan Brand: Yeah, and then you got this other one that’s salt water, it’s literally like, four percent ocean water concentrate, and then you have another one called, Natural Armor which is a 30 percent vinegar concentrate.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.
Evan Brand: My wife even saw one at Target recently. She saw like an organic herbicide. I had a picture of it, I don’t know if I could find it on my phone or not but, she sent me a picture the other day. She said there’s no excuse for people using glyphosate; I said I know, I know, and then she sent me that picture-let me see if I can find it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Good. That’s good. I mean glyphosate, what is does is, it it basically is a chelator, it pulls away all the minerals from the soil, and so it decreases the minerals getting up into the plant which then kill it. And so, if you’re using it even worse on food you’re eating, It’s it’s way worse. Because now you’re destroying the quality of the topsoil, you’re destroying the minerals in that soil, and we know that soil requires minerals so that plant can, um, let’s just say express it you know, express it’s full nutritional potential if you will. So if we have nutritionally deficient soil, like manganese for instance, you know, vegetables are going to have less vitamin C in it, right? So we know the minerals have a major role and they and the quality of that soil, plays a major role in the kind of nutrientsthat plants will produce. So you’re gonna have less nutrition in soil where there’s a bunch of roundup that’s chelated out a lot of those minerals.
Evan Brand: Yeah. I was gonna say, let’s hit on the mechanism . So that’s definitely a big important one, and then the other one that you and I test for in the gut is, we’re seeing the glyphosates damaging the beneficial bacteria in the gut. And this is happening at even PBB – parts per billion levels. So once you kill off the beneficial bacteria in the gut, now you see the overgrowth of clostridium, and there’s a famous chart-I know you’ve seen it before and hopefully others have seen it. But you could just look it up, type in glyphosate autism chart, and you can see the correlation where glyphosate skyrockets along with autism rates, and I’ve seen many many autistic children and we test their glyphosate levels and they’re always high. So, this is not saying causation, but this is in correlation; and William Shaw, Bill Shaw-he’s a guy at great plains lab that we, that we use for these toxic chemical tests. You know, he wrote a great paper on this. He had a paper published about the mechanism . Essentially, it was like an order of operations. It was the glyphosate, as you mentioned, will cause nutrient deficiencies but then damages good bacteria. Bad bacteria like clostridium overgrowth. Now you’ve got these organic acids that go high which mess up an enzyme that breaks down dopamine, now you’ve got excessive dopamine, now you’ve got brain toxicity and the you damage the mitochondria. So it’s a long, a long route there but, this is directly damaging mitochondria which is certainly linked to chronic fatigue and other issues so, when we’re looking at someone’s picture of health, and we see they’ve got a major overload of pesticides, and they’re fatigued, we’re not gonna say, “Hey! This is you number one smoking gun of fatigue” but, it’s certainly a big peace of the puzzle; and I can tell you personally but also clinically when we use nutrients which we’ll get into to detox these pesticides-we see that energy levels go up; and you mentioned exposure, so also, you got to consider where you live too. So even if you’re having Joe Bob next door spray, that might not be as big of a deal as more agricultural areas which is you know, partially where I am which I don’t like. There’s a corn and soybean around here. This is just part of the country where I, where this happens and there’s papers on even one mile of pesticide drift. So the question is…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Far more worried about you because, just the load, you know, if you look at the, just the load coming through.
Evan Brand: Oh, yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh, and your area is just got to be, you know, orders of magnitude. 10, 100x more than just a general uh, you know, residential person that’s just trying to knock down weeds a little bit.
Evan Brand: Totally. Which, which we’re aware of. We’re working on it and we’ve got, we’ve got an exit, so we’re working on it but, yeah. Luckily, we’ve been doing a lot of things. Are you ready to talk about some of the solutions? Obviously, avoidance, external exposure, trying to stay away from it, watching out for like, playgrounds. You know, a lot of playgrounds, they’re too lazy to pull the weeds so they’re just going to spray it so you’ll see often signs at playgrounds like, “watch out!”, and you can tell that they’ve sprayed on the mulch where the kids are playing, and then you may say, “Well, oh! We’ll just go to a rubber playground”, where you have all those chopped up tires but, those are really toxic too. We mentioned those rubber chemicals on the chemical profile for children too. I had a child, a young child actually, was a client who was diagnosed with a rare type of cancer, and we looked at the levels of 1-3 butadiene and maybe some other chemicals; and these are all from synthetic rubber, and this kid was like a stup, a superstar soccer player. He was playing indoors, like 24/7. This kid was these fake rubber mats and his levels were like a hundred x higher than 95th percentile and that was a known carcinogen so we can’t say the rubber caused it but, man, it was certainly a big smoking gun in this case.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s the chemical name?
Evan Brand: It’s so, it’s 1-3 butadiene. It’s on the great plains chemical report. It just says using the production. Yeah, just as used in the production of synthetic rubber.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So it’s definitely possible, right? So, I mean, out of the gates, the first thing is, we look at our food. Right? First this is make sure you food’s organic because you’re going to have major exposure if you’re taking things in, internally. Right? Things on the outside of the world like yeah, if you’re touching it, right? That’s going to be a problem so one try not to use it at your property or if you do you know, like you know, we try to use it more like glyphosate but kind of more natural version in the front yard spot treated. But in the backyard or in the play any area where we know that kids actually play. Like that’s just going to be off-limits. We try to make sure it’s super clean and good there; and then number two is um, you know, air is going to move all this stuff around. So even if you know you yard’s clean, your neighbors may not be clean. So you got to make sure air filtration in your home is dialed in so you can mitigate it potentially being in the home and breathing it in constantly. So air filters in the home, water filer because there’s also the worry about it getting off into the water table, and if we have a well or anything else, very concerning so you want to make sure good quality water filtration and then like I mentioned earlier-organic food and try to mitigate it’s usage around your property, or try to choose natural sources.
Evan Brand: Yeah. I’m glad you mentioned the water too because that’s important. Believe it or not, even glyphosate’s being found in rain water which is crazy. It’s literally raining down glyohosate because it’s evaporating from various farms and agricultural than it’s moving through the wind currents and then getting rained down on people, and you may say, “Oh well, that’s got to be such a trace amount it doesn’t matter. Well that’s the thing, we’re finding that these, these compounds are active against the beneficial bacteria in your gut at these per billion levels. So you really can’t brush it off. People will try to brush it off but, it’s the small levels, and it’s the synergistic effects, right? So you’ve got a little bot of that and then you’ve got it from your diet. Plus you’ve got it from your water supply, plus you’re getting rained on in your organic garden. This adds up overtime and you and I see bacterial overgrowth everyday, all day; and we know that this is certainly linked to the disruption of the gut-these chemicals. So it’s too important to ignore the air filters is a tough one. I asked Stephanie Synep about that I said, “Hey! What is the actual size of glyphosate? I can’t find it. I’m trying to figure out because you’ll see air purifiers talk about a one micron or a three micron filtration, and she said “Oh, no. There’s no way you’ll be able to filter it. It’s too small so that’s what she said bit, I can’t find anything about the size of it. I’ve asked a couple of companies about is and they say, “Oh, yeah. NO problem. Our air filter will take care of it”, and another company said, “Oh, yeah. Our air filter should destroy the molecule” but, I don’t know how you would yest that. You’d have to like, I don’t know; Have somebody spray a bottle of glyphosate into a room and then run the purifier and see what happens but, it’s removed so many other things that it’s a non-negotiable us, and I know you do the same like, air purifier…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It’s moving a lot. I mean, you know, we like the Austin Air just because they have the 30 pounds of activated charcoal and zeolite, and those binders, you know, would have a positive effects, binding up these things and so it’s definitely going to decrease the load for sure. If it’s blowing through a hepa filter and also through the 30 pounds of zeolite and activated charcoal. It’s going to have mitigating effects. It’s going to be better off, you know, on when it’s out than, than before, right? So I think it’s still a good thing to have to what degree, um, I don’t know but, in general, it’s good to have, of course the water is a big one. So I try to have all my water that I drink personally-reverse osmosis, so we have a whole house filter that’s carbon-based that filter a lot, and then I have a under the counter filter where I drink my water, and like you know, make smoothies from, or make my coffee from, or use for cooking like that’s all RO. And so we have a little mineral support supplement that will add minerals back in. Because the biggest problem with RO water is the depletion of minerals but, um, I’d rather always have the water cleaner and then add minerals back. It’s always easier to add minerals back than take toxins out.
Evan Brand: Right. Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Always easier.
Evan Brand: For sure, for sure. I mean, yeah…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So like, Oh my God! The minerals In the water. There’s no minerals. Like yeah, but there’s no toxins are way less, so now I’m okay with way less toxins and just being able to add a good trace mineral support back into the water.
Evan Brand: Yep! Yeah, and people…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you can do like, a redmond. You can do like a redmon’s real salt, you could trace mineral support with some extra potassium and magnesium-all that’s fine.
Evan Brand: I’ll do some of the sea water too. Like some of the sea water like, quinton and there’s a couple other professional brands we use of sea water, that stuff. I tell you, I was kind of skeptical. I’m like how is adding like, basically salt water going to help me bit, it sure did. I mean, it definitely is like a thirst quencher. So it’s pretty remarkable the difference.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, yourself, your cells need uh, they run on a sodium-potassium pump. There’s this gradient of minerals on wither side of the cell. I think it’s what sodium, sodium is on the outside, potassium’s in. It does a little switcheroo. Sodium goes in, potassium goes out, and you need that gradient to happen for the cells to communicate properly. So it you’re low in sodium or potassium, that sodium potassium pump is not going to work optimally.
Evan Brand: you can feel it. I’m telling you. It’s, it’s significant. All right. Let’s hit on some of like, the detox strategies if you’re ready. I think the easy one…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So the first thing is all the lifestyle stuff. That’s foundationthat we stack up. So easiest thing out of the gate is going to be glutathione. So glutathione, whether it’s s acetyl, lyposomal, reduce, whether we do, whether we’re making it with all the precursors like, NAC, ALA, glycine, collagen, right? All these things are going to be really important to help make your master antioxidant out of the gates-that’s probably the big one first.
Evan Brand: Yeah, glycine’s huge, and there’s actually some papers just on glycine by itself in isolation helping with glyphosate which is awesome. So I actually take glycine before bed. It really helps sleep too. So that’s another cool benefit but…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you can mix collagen, peptides, like I use my TrueCollagen with a little bit of magnesium powder before bed. That knocks it right out and glycine’s helpful with other toxins like strippers like xylene and things like that. It will, it will detoxify xylene-thses kind of chemicals too. So glycine is excellent, and then of course um, you know, roundup’s very destructive on the gut and so if you’re doing glycine, it’s very helpful to kind of heal the enterocytes and repair those too.
Evan Brand: Yeah. I would say probiotics are somewhere on the list now. I don’t know in terms of priority and the mechanism is the same as it is for mycotoxins. There’s some cool research coming out about probiotics actually being able to convert toxins into less toxic forms, and then that makes them more water-soluble, and able to excreted from the body. So there’s some cool mechanism involved with probiotics and of course, if you’re working with a practitioner like us, we’re going to coach you through when and how, and what we’re going to use. But that another cool piece of the puzzle. I’d say my next one is going to be micronized chlorella. There’s a couple professional that we use of it, and this is better than the broken cell wall chlorella because, it’s smaller molecules, and then that’s going to allow better transfer across the blood-brain barrier to get some of these heavy metals out. So we’ll actually use some products that are basically designed for heavy metals but, we’ll use them off-label for like mold and chemical detox.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and so like I have a heavy meal clear product that has some of the, some of the chlorella in there. It also has some of the sodium alginate, and then also some of the modified citrus pectin. These are really good binders that will help with metals and they’ll also help with uh, pesticides too which are great, and then, um, some of the research you’re talking about probiotics actually converting some of the mole toxins and also, they also have an effect binding them too. It’s that what you’re saying too?
Evan Brand: Yeah. I know it’s a conversion. I don’t know if it’s actually binding but, there’s a lot of like great planes they’re doing a lot of work on like promoting the idea of probiotics being like the universal mold detoxifier now – even better higher rated that charcoal for example, which is crazy.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s why we always talk about dealing with the gut and working on the gut before we push any crazy detox because we know, the gut’s so important. It’s like a lot of these functional medicine principles are like you know, they’ve tried and true but, if you look at the science, like you find more little nitty-gritty within the science of what’s happening, why that is the case like we just kind of know clinically, you get better results doing it so we kind of go that way, and then we just see more data kind of just supporting that hypothesis.
Evan Brand: It’s cool. Yeah, it’s fun because you and I have been basically using the methods we use for years, and then new stuff comes out that’s like, “Oh, cool!” Well, we were doing that already; now we know that it was actually doing other things that we needed it to do for. It’s like get rid of toxins. So that’s, so that’s awesome. How about sauna too? I mean, sweating has been proven to help excrete so many things. I’ll tell you, you know, I had a lady that was in her 70s. We ran a chemical profile test on her. This lady’s test was so clean, I was almost in disbelief because I’ve seen 5, 6 year-old children that are just off the charts with chemicals, and then we have this lady in her 70’s who you think just lived through all sort of different eras of toxicity. Man, I tell you, her chemical tests were as clean as a whistle. I said, “What are you doing?’, and she was in a sauna three to four times a week for half an hour. I said “Wow!”, I said, ”You are living proof that the sauna works and that sweating is an incredible detox pathway.”
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I see a lot of women, too. Like “Oh, man! I’m pregnant.Like, what’s the best way to detoxify when I’m pregnant?” I’m like, well number one, we don’t want to really push any detoxification. The only thing I may gently recommend is maybe a little bit of a, kind of a natural fiber, eating organic, drinking lots of water, and maybe a little bit of an infrared sauna. But you have to shower right afterwards just because you don’t want to move toxins to the skin, and then have them reabsorb back in. So you want to make sure you use a good 10 sulfur soap, break up that film of toxin on your skin so it flushes off your skin. So would you agree that you know, potentially doing a little bit of sauna therapy as long as you’re not depleting yourself, dehydrated, is probably a safe, probably one of the more safer, gentle ways to detoxify if you are pregnant?
Evan Brand: I guess it depends on temperature. Like I’m not going to put a lady in like, a hundred and eighty, like a hot rock one.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: I think an Infrared one…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It can be infrared were it’s lower temperature.
Evan Brand: Yeah. I think if you’re probably at like a 125 degrees or something. That’s somewhat natural that you could experience on the planet. I think would be no problem; the chlorella should be no problem, too. You know, we’ve actually…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Stays in the gut. It stays in the gut. You’re probably okay, I mean, chlorella, some kind of a gentle, more food-based binder is probably okay. I mean, if you’re gonna do some kind of a sauna and you’re pregnant, one, make sure you’re hydrated, make sure you have minerals. Start with like, three or four, or five minutes, and just kind of add like a minute of two every time so you don’t overdue. I always rather know you go at a lower level where you’re confident- you can handle it, and gently nudge it up, and just make sure you shower right afterwards. It’s probably the only detoxification means that I would really push outside of a gentle binder. Uh, that’s food-based for my pregnant females. Back on that, would you agree?
Evan Brand: I would say, I, I don’t see a problem with charcoal and chlorella during pregnancy because, you have to kind of weigh the pros and the cons, right? And we know that for example, these toxins go through the placenta. We know they go through breast milk, so here you are, willingly letting this toxins go through the unborn baby, when you could simply use a gentle binder to try to mitigate some of that or even detox; that there’s actually been crazy stuff being done behind the scenes. I won’t go into too much details because I don’t think it’s published yet but, showing that these micronized chlorella molecules can literally detox the baby before the baby’s even born. So you can actually have a baby come out cleaner than it would’ve been, chemical wise, by being detoxed throughout the pregnancy by the transfer of the chlorella from mom to baby; and then of course, once the baby’s born, through the breast milk, also there is some transfer of chlorella. So there’s some crazy, crazy stuff coming out on that but, too soon to say exactly.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. I like that. So, yeah. We have our binders, we like the binders, and again, talk to your, your OB if you’re a person that wants to look into that. When you’re pregnant, just be careful. I always recommend do all this stuff before but, if you waited and you have issues, and you got to do it now, talk to your OB, talk to your functional medicine doc before you ever do that. We typically don’t push any hard detoxification when uh, patients are pregnant just because we’re mobilizing a lot of toxins unless, we do it very very gentle-way like we mentioned before. Uh, outside of that, I would say we talked about all the big binders of water filtration. We’ll put some links down below with some of the RO and whole house activated charcoal, carbon-based filters that I personally use and Evan uses. We’ll put some recommended links that you guys have that. That’s going to be really important. I’d say air, water, organic food-those are going to be big, and then we can set them in on top of that. So uh, in my line I use heavy metal clear, my detox aminos that have calcium gluconate, and all the sulfur aminos, and reduced glutathione. Evan has some similar glutathione, and sulfur, and mineral-based products that are mineral, that are like our binders, like fulvic minerals or things that help bind up some of this things, too. So we’ll put some links down below if you want some recommended products that we personally use, and we’re kind of gave you some of the big mechanism, right? One’s binding, right? You’re binding some of it up, and the other one is you’re working on enhancing your own detoxification pathways, so they can excrete them. And then of course, low-hanging fruit, right? The solution to pollution dilution. You take any toxins, you hydrate well enough, good clean water and minerals, the more you hydrate that mineral, that toxin becomes less potent, the more it’s diluted. So that’s, it’s low hanging fruit. It’s easy to forget but, solution to pollution is dilution.
Evan Brand: Cheers! Yeah, and this is real stuff. I mean, we’ve seen many, many, I mean, hundreds of this point; before and after case studies of measuring these chemicals. It’s absolutely remarkable what can be done. So if you’re just like, “Oh, toxins are bad.”, and that’s all you get from this podcast, no. Remember that goes deeper than this. We’re talking the way you perform in terms of your mitochondreal function, your energy levels, the health of your gut. Whether you have bacterial overgrowth which then leads to bloating, and burping, and gas, and issues with your joints and potential autoimmune issues because now you’ve got chlostridium overgrowth. So if you hear this, all you think is” toxins are bad, I need to detox.”, no. Remember, this goes into every body system. This goes into adrenals, mitochondria, liver, gallbladder; I mean, the whole system is involved so don’t just blow this thing off. I still see people-I won’t name her but, there was a lady I knew from my, my town. Now she’s super big and she’s got a supplement company that’s like all these vitamin shop stores and everywhere, and she did a Q&A, and I mean this lady is a multi-millionaire, and people asked her, “Do you eat organic?”, and she said “No. I think it’s a waste of time.” It’s like you’re just, you’re just, uh, what’s the word? Not dumb, that’s the rude word. Uh…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ignorant.
Evan Brand: Ignorant. She’s ignorant. Yeah, that’s the word. She doesn’t know what that means. Like how important that truly is and how that’s changing everything from her offspring, and the health of her babies to her own health. So to people out there, if you’ve got the means to do it, which hopefully everyone can, I can see people have that brand new iphones but then they say they don’t have the extra dollar to buy the organic strawberries. You got to make thins thing a priority or you’ll see a brand new Mercedes SUV in the McDonald’s parking lot, like you’ve got to make organic a priority.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Absolutely. So you git to make it a priority. It’s shift that for sure, and again, people’s say organic’s a fad. Well, again, before 1950, everything was organic, right? That’s where the pesticide kind of fertilizer industry came kind of post-World War II, and so, everything was organic before that point. And again, like first thing I recommend in the order of priorities is, make sure your meat are organic and pasture fed first, okay that’s the first order of, um, let’s just say investment. The second thing is, eat from the clean 15-these are pesticides that have, these are foods that have a pesticide load; and then, avoid the dirty dozen. That’s kind of environmental working group thing. So we’ll put a link for the clean and the dirty dozen; and then from there, you can start getting organic vegetables that are frozen; that’s cheaper. And then of course, start to buy them, you know, more fresh and organic across the board but, that’s kind of the progression. So just try to at least start with the meats because the meats hold the most toxins, and so fats are in the toxins. So you want to start with meats first, and then you can work on going to clean 15, avoid dirty dozen, frozen organic, and then full fresh on organic. That’s kind of the algorithm there. Anything you want to say about that Evan?
Evan Brand: Yeah, local too. I mean, if you can get local beef too, where it hadn’t traveled thousands of miles from Brazil, and they didn’t cut down the rain forest to get that grass fed beef, then I would totally do that. I get my meat from 15 minutes down the road. It’s just hundreds, and hundreds of acres of beautiful chemical-free pastures. So I feel really good about it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great! I love it. Well, very good. So out of the gates here also, one last thing, if you don’t have good gallbladder function, or good digestion, right? You’re constipated, you’re not pooping everyday, you’re having a hard time digesting food, not breaking fat down or protein adequately, your stools are floating, excessive skid marks streaks-those kind of things that means you’re not breaking down fat, you’re not breaking down protein adequately, you’re not moving toxins through your bowels adequately, you’re gonna be reabsorbing that, you’re gonna, you’re not gonna have good gallbladder flow to push that out in the stool. So you’re potentially reabsorbing or not eliminating toxins via your digestive tract. And so if we have digestive issues, we got to have some stool testing, we got to fix whatever is going on from a microbial imbalance or gut infection in the intestines. That’s really important. Got to work on live, gallbladder, and making sure enzymes and acids are adequate to break everything down.
Evan Brand: Yep! Good call. And if you need help, you want to get some of this testing done, investigate your gut, look into your chemical toxicity, you can reach out to Dr. J or myself. This website is justinhealth.com if you need to reach out, it worked worldwide (facetime, phone, skype) any way you need to connect there. So justinhealth.com, and for me Evan, it’s evanbrand.com. We look forward to helping you. Also reach out. We offer intro calls too! You can chat with us and figure out exactly what’s going on, symptom wise, we’ll see if you’re good fit for care, and look forward to helping you out.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We’re here for you all, guys. Awesome! And if you enjoyed it, thumbs up, comments down below, and um, we’re here! Justinhealth.com, evanbrand.com, and write us a review too! We appreciate it.
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Glyphosate and Chemical Detox | Podcast #334
Most people don’t realize that glyphosate is not just found in farm fields and on GMO crops but is lurking in your next-door neighbor’s garage and your neighborhood park, on the local golf course, or in your kid’s playground. You can find glyphosate on nearly 100 non-GMO food crops, including vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds, and cereals like wheat and oats. You can find it in wine, beer, ice cream, and pretty much everything else. Also, you wouldn’t imagine in a whole host of ingredients, such as corn starch, beet and cane sugar, and even honey!
Glyphosate interrupts the body’s ability to turn natural sulfites from food into sulfates that the body needs to detox and stay healthy. High sulfate levels heal the gut while supporting the absorption of many vital nutrients. Sulfates assist in clear brain fog and improve memory through increased blood flow.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this podcast, we cover:
1:27 Glyphosate (what it is, how it works)
8:42 Clean Water, Osmosis Water Filter
17:12 Powerful Antioxidants
23:23 Water Plunge, Saunas
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live. It’s Dr. J here in the house with Evan, Evan, how we doing today, my friend? Really excited to chat with you.
Evan Brand: Yeah. Likewise, and this is a big topic. So Huh, you got hundreds of millions of pounds of glyphosate being sprayed on our beautiful Mother Earth every year. It’s terrible, how much is being sprayed. If you look at the stats, they just go up and up and up and up and up. And we have GMO corn and soybean accounting for the major places that people are being sprayed. So if you’re simply just cutting out, yep, those foods from your diet, and you’re eating animals that don’t feed on the soybean and corn, you’ve already done a great job. But but that’s not enough, because I recently spoke with Stephanie senath, who’s been educating and researching about glyphosate. And she’s talked about which you and I’ve known for a long time, but it’s good to hear somebody else validate the research is, it’s in the water supply, it’s in the food, it’s in the air, it’s everywhere. So you really have to put in a detox protocol on going to be able to deal with this because even parts per billion levels of glyphosate act as an antibiotic and will kill beneficial bacteria in the gut. And you and I, we don’t necessarily call ourselves gi specialist, but we are when it comes to naturally approaching gut infections and restoring gut integrity and gut health. And part of that is getting the glyphosate out of the system. So we can truly allow our beneficial bacteria to thrive. So that’s kind of the setting the stage of where we’re where we’re going today.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. So glyphosate is essentially roundup. Right? It’s essentially Roundup, it’s a pesticide. And so essentially how it works, it’s a mineral key later. So what it does is it basically thrips away or, or kind of as a magnet of all the key lay of all the minerals away from the plant. And so essentially by robbing the plan of all those minerals that essentially kills it is that the major mechanism and how that works.
Evan Brand: Yeah, it inhibits the photosynthesis, I don’t know the full chemistry behind it. But yeah, basically it starves the plant to death, and then the the byproduct, the byproduct or the the process of doing that, you’re robbing and basically cleaving off these amino acids. And that’s the problem. And that’s why it’s going to end up in joints and everywhere else in the body. Because the body’s trying to basically absorb the minerals, if you will, but by accident, it’s absorbing the glyphosate. So it’s number one thing is you got to go organic to get away from it. But the problem is, if you’re not filtering your water, if you’re not filtering your air, you’re probably still getting exposure there. Or if you eat out at restaurants, which even I and you and I, we try to do the best we can if we eat out, but we may get exposed to trace amounts there. And kids too. I mean, you send the kid with a school lunch, that’s organic, but if you don’t, they’re probably getting exposed to it there. And this stuff accumulates over time. And as Stephanie was talking about with me, the individual parts meaning like a little bit of glyphosate here, it’s a problem. But when you mix it with the dicamba and the 24D and all these other chemicals and the xylene and the gasoline additive chemicals and the plastics and the Falaise in the BPA and the other endocrine disruptors, that’s when you really get into trouble. So it’s important to hyper focus on one chemical like this, but I want people to just know, it’s the sum that really creates the problem. And you and I measure for this on the urine. So if people listening like, Well, what do I do? How do I investigate this problem, you simply do a urine urine sample. And we can measure this. And the fun part is when we get people on a detox protocol, and we retest, you can see the levels go down. And a lot of cases, we get the levels to nd non detected non detectable limits, that is the most exciting part. So I want to inspire hope with this too some of the stats are really depressing on it. But there is hope that you can get this stuff out of your body.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And so the mechanism how it works is it’s a key later pulls that away, and also affects the protein synthesis of the plants. There’s a pathway there, it’s called the shikimic. It’s kind of a funny name, the shikimic pathway that affects you know, essentially the the protein synthesis of these plants. So it disrupts that it does it by disrupting protein synthesis. And it does it by collating away a lot of these important minerals. And I think that’s part of the reason why a lot of foods that are grown in Roundup, or glyphosate is used on them, I think you’re gonna also see a decrease in nutrient levels. Part of the means why is because it’s creating a lot of those minerals away from the plants. And the plants don’t have adequate minerals in the soil. And others there’s data on it like when there’s less manganese in the soil, the vitamin C production in that plant is less for instance. So we do know there’s a disruption, there’s a correlation with low minerals in the soil can have a major impact on the nutrient production by that plan as well. And so there’s a nutrient issue on one side, and then there’s also a toxicity issue. And we can go deeper into that. Any questions on that?
Evan Brand: So the the big, the big problem with people is, here’s one of the mechanisms and people can check out the podcast. I mean, we don’t have to get into the the advanced chemistry. I mean, some of the stuff even goes over my head. But basically, one of the big problems is glyphosate is pretending to be glycine. And that’s what she talked about. Basically, it’s your body-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: it’s just an amino acid.
Evan Brand: Right? So it’s looking for glycine, but then it sucks up glyphosate in place of it, right? That’s where you get into trouble.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you kind of similar to what may happen in your body with iodine, and fluoride, for instance, or bromine, right, it’ll it’ll suck up your thyroid will suck up a lot of those nutrients which can impact its function because it’s not the primary nutrient it’s looking for.
Evan Brand: And then here’s what it says advocates claim that glyphosate is not harmful to humans, as the shikimate pathway does not occur in humans. But the truth is, glyphosate enters our gut and primarily targets the good bacteria, and then that’s when you get the bacterial overgrowth. So that’s kind of what the industry will will counteract on let’s say, well, humans don’t have chicken meat pathways. That’s why it’s not dangerous. But the mechanism is that it’s killing the good bacteria in the gut. And it’s really an antibiotic that, you know, disguised as an herbicide. And so that’s the problem.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think the big thing that if you look at some of the studies on the topic, where they look at glyphosates impact on the gut lining and the brush border, in the small intestine, the brush borders, what secretes a lot of enzymes and aids in digestion. And if you just look at the thinning out of the gut lining in the small intestine, and you look at the increase in gut permeability that can happen from that. All of those type of mechanisms are part of what’s driving a lot of autoimmunity. So when you have increased gut permeability, weaken gut lining, you have a imbalance in the healthy bacteria in the guts all of those tilts your immune system in the direction of autoimmunity, it tilts your immune system in the direction of lack of nutrient absorption, which then affects the immune system as well. So all of these things compound right gut in bad gut bacteria and balanced dysbiosis. Right, more bad bacteria than good gut permeability, increased autoimmunity, increased food allergens, less nutrient density, obviously, you’re eating plants that have a lot of Roundup, there may be less nutrients in those plants, right. So all of those things just kind of spiral out of control. And, and typically, if you’re consuming the big foods that are going to have the highest residue, they’re going to be a lot of your grains, right grains, and soy and corn and wheat and all those things. So if you’re eating a lot of those foods, that’s a lot of processed food anyway.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And that’s why you and I talked about, a lot of people feel so much better on like grain free or more paleo template, because not only are they getting rid of the allergenic foods, but they’re getting rid of the chemicals too, because everything is so heavily sprayed. Now one of Stephanie’s arguments, which was interesting was that the people are having so much gluten sensitivity is because of the glyphosate. And so she told me she actually eats organic wheat, and she feels totally fine. And I said, Well, what about gluten and zonulin? And all that? And she goes, I don’t know if that’s the full story because I feel fine. But feeling fine. I don’t know. I’d like to see like a stool test, right? And look at gut inflammation and all that and try to confirm because and look at gluten antibodies, because I still even if it’s organic You and I are still not going to recommend people going into the grains.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And then also the other element of this whole thing is what about glyphosate, when it’s heated up? What if you have glyphosate residue on certain foods, and then you’re cooking, you’re heating those foods up? What does that do to it? Because I know, there’s some data out there showing that a lot of these pesticides become more toxic when they’re heated. So that’s another area another avenue of discussion, probably not a lot of data on it, but definitely a lot of theoretical, what well, you know, what if that does make it worse, and so that’s definitely a concern. So, you know, out of the gates, I think the big thing people can control is going to be water and runoff. So everyone should have at least a reverse osmosis water filter to filter a lot of the roundup glyphosate out of that, so you’re not getting exposed via water. And then number two is do your best to eat organic or if you’re on a budget, try to do at least clean 15 these are going to be the foods that are going to have a relative peel over it right avocado, banana, those kind of things that will decrease the amount of residue because as a peel, and they just going to have less of the glyphosate anyway, and so try to do at least clean the clean 15 and then avoid the Dirty Dozen if you will, but try to go organic free range as much as you possibly can. Because it’s not just the nutrient density that’s important with organic it’s the decrease in toxic load. There’s both you win twice you you win with nutrient density, and you decrease toxic load. I think it was um, I had Joel Salatin on my podcast last year. And he talked about his eggs that are pasture fed, and he sent a bunch of conventional eggs to the grocery store. And to a lab Actually, I’m sorry, to a lab. So conventional eggs he bought at the grocery store to his own pasture eggs in his backyard, his farm, right. And he compared the nutrient levels of it. And so he just compared one nutrient full eight. And he found that his eggs had 19 times more full light than the conventional x 19 times. So if you look at it, it’s like wow, I’m getting 19 times a day. An important nutrient. And maybe the eggs cost twice as much. What’s kind of a pretty good deal? That’s a pretty good ROI on your investment there.
Evan Brand: It is. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I need to interview him. He’s awesome. And I love his books and love seeing the farming videos. A lot of people I know he has like students, though, they’ll do all the work for him. He’s got an amazing setup, because he pays like zero labor costs, because everybody wants to learn. So he’s got all these people like harvesting his chickens for him.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s a pretty sweet gig. So yeah, it’s really interesting. I think it’s good for everyone to understand that to know about it to be on top of that, and to look at your food differently, right? You got to look at it like, Alright, I’m decreasing the toxic load. So that’s one important big vector. And then I’m increasing the nutrient density side. And if you look at it like that, I think you go into the grocery store and you make different food choices. I think it was Michael Pollan talked about this in his book Omnivore’s Dilemma, as a society today, we allocate way less of our income towards food, I think it’s today, it’s like 9% of our income goes towards food. As a society, I think about I think it was 50 to 100 years ago, it was twice that was 18%. And so people prioritize food a lot more. From an income standpoint, you know, they’re willing to put more of their money where it counts. And today, that’s not the case. And so I just think it’s really important that people really look at allocating their money towards food, because that’s the foundation of everything, especially once you get sick, you’re going to really wish you did.
Evan Brand: Well, let’s take it a step further to so you got the glyphosate in or out of the picture in your diet. And now, not only are you getting, as you mentioned, potentially 19 times more folate and who knows a lot more B vitamins and other nutrients. But now you’re also getting all these different amino acids, which are going to fuel your neurotransmitters. So you’re going to be happier, yep, you’re going to be able to tolerate stress better, you’re going to be less depressed, you’re possibly going to have better sleep, you’re going to feel better, you’re going to have more energy, so you’re going to perform better at work, you’re going to be a better parent, because you have enough nutrients to stabilize your blood sugar. So you’re not hangry. So I love how you kind of illustrated that you’re not just getting less toxin, more nutrition, you’re really getting a whole better human. And that’s going to extrapolate that out to your friends, your family, your boss, your spouse, everything gets better. So it’s tough when you see people that like even the other day we drove past a Popeye’s chicken. And that’s probably like the lowest quality fast food you could get. Maybe there’s something worse McDonald’s or something. But we’ll see like a brand new Range Rover, you know, $100,000 vehicle, and they’re in the drive thru parking lot getting like a $2 lunch, but they’ve got $100,000 car, it’s like, you got to just focus on the good good stuff. I’d rather drive. You know, like I did for years, a 1990. When I had my 1992 Honda Accord, I was still buying the pastured bison, grass fed beef, steaks, all organic vegetables, you know, even though I had a $4,000 car, I probably spent 4000 a year on high quality groceries.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. So it’s a lot of it is an education thing, getting people to reprioritize kind of where they’re at and it gets number one out of the gates. And then two is just really educating people on the benefits, right? It’s like it’s all about value. So the big thing today that we’re kind of hammering on is the glyphosate component, how that affects your gut lining how that affects dysbiosis, how that affects nutrient absorption, how that affects your immune system, because 80% of your immune systems in the golf and the malt in the stomach and the small intestine. So all these play a major role. And we know that autoimmune conditions are on the rise right there massive amount of increased, not all immune conditions, 150 least different conditions that are out there now. And we know gut permeability plays a major role. We know gluten, we know Roundup, we know gut bacterial imbalance plays a major role. So if we know the mechanisms, then we can work on creating an execution plan to help believe that.
Evan Brand: Yeah, there are several charts online, you could just look this up yourself. You could type in autism, glyphosate, and you can see some of the correlation not necessarily causation. But definitely the correlation charts, where you’ll see the autism rates skyrocket exponentially, along with the exponential use of glyphosate. And, you know, Stephanie’s talked about this many times. Dr. Kurt Waller, he’s hit on this. He’s done many great presentations on autism, and has some courses all about that one of the integral pieces of his protocols I know is detox. So let’s talk about that. What do you actually do? You and I have many, many before and after on ourselves personally, but also clinical case studies where I’ve seen literally 1000s of percent off the chart, I mean levels so high that the lab can even give you a range for it. And we’ve been able to take those people and significantly reduce it, especially in children. I’ve seen kids that are four or five, six years old, off the charts with two four D glyphosate and many other of the organophosphate pesticides and holy crap, it’s scary when you first look at it. You look at the symptoms, you look at the gut, you look at the skin, you look at the behavioral problems, but man within six months to a year I’m confident most people listening could clear out 90 plus percent of their chemical load.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, 100% I think it’s, it’s super important to be empowered like that. So, so you hit a couple of the big mechanisms there. So I think one of the first things people have to look at is when there’s stress, there’s going to be indigestion, right, there’s going to be some level of bloating or gas, we’re just not breaking a lot of the nutrients down. And we have to look at what are the nutrients, we need to run a lot of these pathways, you kind of hit some right there. But we need amino acids, we need a lot of sulfur, we need a lot of the sulfur rich cruciferous vegetables, we need a lot of B vitamins, we need a lot of antioxidants. So for eating nutrient poor food, we’re not going to get those we also need a lot of good high quality sulfur based amino acids. And when you know from our healthy pasture fed eggs and animal products, and if we’re not eating those things and breaking them down optimally, then we’re gonna have problems, we’re not gonna be able to get the amino acids to make our powerful glutathione to help with our B vitamins, and our methylation and acetylation glucuronidation are phase one cytochrome p 450. Or phase two cytochrome p 450. oxide pathways that require on the phase one B vitamins and antioxidants, phase two, all the sulfur amino acids to run those pathways.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and the glyphosate messes up that P 450 cytochrome p 450 pathway too, so that was another mechanism that gets screwed up. And even if you have the nutrients and to fuel that pathway, if you’ve got a big Roadblock, there are you mentioned the glucuronidation pathway. That’s another issue. We’ve done podcast on this but the the spark notes the long story short for people listening is when you have bacterial overgrowth in your gut, which could be traced back to glyphosate exposure, damaging your good bacteria, therefore allowing the dysbiosis to happen. That then messes up this enzyme, which is the beta glucuronidation enzyme which we test for via stool now your re circulating hormones and recirculating toxin. So, like, you know, Justin and I will do protocols where we may throw in something like calcium D glue gray to inhibit that enzyme, but we have to work backwards and fixing the gut. So all this could be traced back to your glyphosate exposure sounds get reference. Sounds crazy to think like, wow, me eating conventionally sprayed toxic strawberries lead to my depression and my anxiety, but there’s the link of how it can all go down.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. So we talked about a lot of the key nutrients, right, we talked about the gluten, and we talked about the antioxidants. Also, if we have a lot of inflammation happening in the brain, what do we do? So of course, we have powerful antioxidants like glutathione we have, which is it’s twofold, right? Because it also helps with the pathways of elimination, but it’s also a powerful antioxidant. So it deals with a lot of the oxidative stress that happens from these toxins. We also have things like vitamin D, we have things like curcumin, curcumin, like compounds, or is bare trawl gingko bacopa things that have anti inflammatory cognitive enhancement benefits. Because a lot of times what we have is we have this immune response that’s over reactive that’s stimulated in the brain, we have our immune cells called microglial cells in the brain that are overstimulated. And so a lot of times, we have to attenuate that and get that kind of calm down and relax because it’s in this positive feedback loop is once it starts getting ramped up and ramped up and ramped up and ramped up, it’s kind of at this arching level of it’s just it’s continuing to increase, increase, increase. And if we can calm that down what’s powerful antioxidant compounds, while we also stop adding fuel to the fire with a lot of these toxins and pesticides, that’s going to help us a lot.
Evan Brand: Yeah, absolutely. And the big heavy lifters, we won’t say the names because who knows in the future, our ideas and thoughts may change. So we’ll be putting some links in the show notes on your app to where you can view these products. But let’s break down some of the nutrients at least in the products in case we come out with our own or we come out with better versions in the future something the biggest heavy lift or I would say is definitely going to be chlorella. And specifically, as opposed to the conventionally sold mass marketed what’s called broken cell wall chlorella, which is decent, we like to use one that’s called a micronized chlorella, which is extremely small molecules of chlorella, that is able to get across the blood brain barrier. That’s the magic sauce that most chlorella products fall short. And I literally have 100 case studies where I could show you a before and after of getting children and adults on these products. And we’ve been able to massively reduce the levels at a woman in Canada just last week, she was off the chart with nearly every chemical gasoline xylene validates pesticides, herbicides, two, four D glyphosate, the whole nine yards. And within six months to a year of doing some of this stuff. Her levels are now non detected in a lot of categories. She’s not fully out of the woods, if we could get her in a sauna, which is another way to help with glyphosate. I think she would speed it up but just the chemical detox alone using nutrients massive success.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love that. I love it. Yeah, like you mentioned binders we have different chlorella we have different maybe activated charcoal or bentonite clay compounds we have a kind of our own formulated products that we love. We’ll put the links down below, we have a lot of the glue defi on or solidify on sulfur amino acid precursor building blocks, those are really powerful. We have a lot of liver tonifying and supporting herbs to help the liver and gallbladder whether it’s milk thistle or, or, or dandelion or phosphatidylcholine. We have a lot of those nutrients that we’ve kind of formulated up. And I think that outside of that would be we get some of the B vitamins, the binders we hit some of the tonifying herbs. cloudify owns sulfur amino acid, I think we hit all the major ones out of the gates, I would just say there’s some different lipidsoma curcumin, and resveratrol and anti inflammatory compounds that the we’re looking at that really have great clinical benefits. Also binders on the activated charcoal a zeolite, citrus pectin side. So we’ll put some of our links to products that we’re personally using with ourselves, patients and family and clinically every day. And we’re kind of looking at the results that we’re getting and trying to always adjust it. So it’s the best. We’ll put those down below. Anything else Evan, you want to add today?
Evan Brand: Yeah, so the MCP, the modified citrus, pectin, that’s something we can use, we’ll often use that in a blend, and then fulvic and humic acids, those tend to do really, really good too. I don’t like those in isolation. So a lot of people have really jumped on kind of the fulvic acid train, I think it’s smart. I think they’re great. But I’ve seen, you know, before and after test results, and I haven’t been super impressed in isolation. So we might use those foam fulvic and humic acids quite a bit. But it’s going to be in a blend, it’s not going to be by itself. We’re gonna have the chlorella, maybe the cilantro. As you mentioned, milk, this whole other liver support, maybe lymphatic support thrown in there to infrared, sauna, rebounding, anything you can do to sweat hot baths, Epsom salt, where you can boost that sulfur pathway, fixing the gut getting the gut infections address, so you can get that glucuronidation pathway working better, doing the testing on your stool to see where your gut is, if your systems even working properly, to do the detox, and then obviously doing the before and after chemical testing. And I will tell you, there’s not a single non toxic human on the planet unless they’ve done a really great job with chemical detox. But just coming in your average person coming into us with complaints doing the testing, you’re going to have chemical levels off the chart, I only had one guy who came to me over hundreds and hundreds of chemical profiles who didn’t have much of anything. And this was a guy who was doing a sauna for almost an hour, five times a week. And I was like, Whoa, you’re proof that Asana excretes a lot. So everyone else they were pretty much off the chart.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I had a patient just recently to did a sauna session. And this person had eye level of mercury. And the kind of one of the biggest things I preach is you have a good sulphur soap, that’s going to decrease that lipid barrier and get a quick shower right afterwards. So you can get all the chemicals and stuff off your skin that are fat soluble metals and such toxins, make sure you do that as soon as possible. This person waited think 10 to 15 minutes. And during that timeframe that next day, they had a major herxheimer or issue. And my concern is if you don’t get those toxins off your skin fast, there’s a great chance you’re going to reabsorb them, and then you’re going to reabsorb met a very high level. And that can create a lot of herxheimer. So you got to be very careful. If you’re using an infrared sauna, you won’t want to flush those toxins off your skin fast and make sure you’re really hydrating well, and you may even want to go into that sauna session with binders and solidify them before and during just in case you reabsorb some of those toxins.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s great advice. And that’s why a lot of people recommend like a cold like water plunge or a cold shower afterwards. So you can really just seal up get those goosebumps get your pores sealed up to where everything is off. I know for me, it was crazy, because I was kind of skeptical. I thought is that really are you really reabsorbing stuff. So I did kind of a warm shower. It was soap and then I did a cold shower. And who knows maybe it was all the benefits of cold in general. But I tell you I feel so much better with a cold shower after the sauna. as brutal as it is to put that thing all the way on cold, especially in the winter. It’s cold, but man, I feel like a million bucks after that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, no, I think that’s that’s smart. So I urge patients if you’re going to do an infrared sauna, which I think is powerful, just kind of start with five or 10 minutes, do a quick shower afterwards have a good soap ready that can kind of cut that lipid by layer. Because remember, a lot of these toxins are going to be they’re going to be fat based. They’re going to be what fat soluble toxins. So it’s like imagine cleaning a pan that you just had bacon in right? With just water. You need that emulsifying dawn soap or whatever organic soap to kind of cut that friction off the pan and allow that grease to kind of come off you right? If you don’t, you’ll feel that greasiness afterwards. Well, it’s the same thing with these fat soluble toxins. You really want to use that soap emulsify what’s on your skin so it’s flushed off so you don’t reabsorb it later.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and you made a good point. I’ll just take a step further on the hydration piece and the mineral balance piece. If you’ve got adrenal issues, mineral imbalances, electrolyte problems, you know, thyroid issues, sleep issues, you’re chronically sleep deprived, you know, you’re just kind of a weak constitution. You got to be careful and go slow and steady with the sauna. If you get woozy, you get lightheaded, if you do pass out or you feel like you’re gonna pass out your heart’s racing uncontrollably, you’re getting heart palpitations, you’re gonna know you’re mobilizing too much. So when your body’s saying stop, stop, don’t push through. I made the mistake of pushing through one time. It took me like two to three days to recover. So don’t don’t do that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. 100% Well, I like it. Guys. If you enjoyed today’s podcast, please feel free put it down in the comments. Let us know what you liked about it. Let us know your own experiences dealing with chemical detoxification. And a lot of the pesticides and chemicals we chatted about today, we’ll put links down to our favorite products, detoxification, support water filters, things that are going to decrease toxin load in your body and things that are going to help your body expel toxins better. And it guys if you enjoy today’s podcast, feel free head over to EvanBrand.com or JustinHealth.com. We are available worldwide to help you all out if you need that extra functional medicine, nutrition support. We are here as well. Anything else?
Evan Brand: No, that’s it, you covered it all. And thanks for listening.
Top 10 Anti-Inflammatory Foods | Podcast #197
Welcome to a functional medicine podcast! In this video, Dr. J and Evan Brand discuss what the top 10 anti-inflammatory foods are, what nutrients derive from them and how essential can those nutrients be to our gut and overall health.
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Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
02:34 Importance of Nutrients in Anti-Inflammatory Foods
05:35 Ways and Mediums for Foods to be Consumed
10:44 All About Priorities
23:54 Glyphosate Affects Glycine
28:10 Digestion Problem Epidemic
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, guys. It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. Evan Brand, happy Monday! How are you doing?
Evan Brand: Happy Monday to you, man. I’m doing great. Summer’s going along fast. I mean, it’s already like mid-August now, and before you know it, it’s gonna be September, October, November. Then I’ll be complaining that it’s cold. So—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. Can you believe it, man? Time flies when you’re having fun. Any uh— fun stuff happen this weekend for you?
Evan Brand: Not— Not, I mean, every
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -saw a bunch of butterflies and— Oh! We did get chiggers on us. That was not fun.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [incomprehensible] chiggers are interesting. Yeah.
Evan Brand: It was two weeks— Not two weeks, two hours picking chiggers off of us. They were so small I had a little magnifying glass. You literally could barely even see it. At first, I thought it
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!
Evan Brand: It’s small. And so now, we’re all covered in chigger bites. But besides that, We’re doing good.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Very good, man. Yeah. Doing a lot of water skiing this weekend, uh— enjoying Austin. It wasn’t quite as hot as it normally is in the summer this weekend so it’s pretty fun.
Evan Brand: That’s great. Yeah. you’re gonna— You’re gonna miss out on the uh— the water. I guess I have to revisit the water.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Absolutely. Well, let’s dig in, man. Let’s talk about our top ten anti-inflammatory foods. So we make a lot of recommendations to patients on, you know, certain foods, and— You know, we tend to follow like a Paleo template, right? And the Paleo template is nothing more than utilizing anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, and low toxin foods. And we typically— Animal protein, the quality component’s also factored in, right? Organic, pasture-fed, you know, antibiotic-free, hormone-free. Animal products can have a lot of really great nutrient density, right? A lot of people that are plant-based, they kind of miss out on that. Do you know, uh— I got a lot of conversation to people on nutrient-density. So, for instance, 500 calories and grass-fed meat packs a lot of nutrition, right? You can get 500 calories of grass-fed meat in about eight ounces of meat, which is pretty reasonable, right? A lot of people, they’ll go out and they’ll get like a sev— you know, a six to eight ounce kind of Filet Mignon, or a bigger Rib Eye. Lot of good nutrients there. To get 500 calories of Kale, you got to consume 16 cups of Kale. That’s a lot of Kale! Most people would never consume that much. So the nutrient density is easier in some of these animal products, and it’s easier to get. It’s easier to access. Most people couldn’t do 16 cups of Kale in two days, let alone one day. But almost anyone could do eight ounces of grass-fed meat at one meal. And I’ll— Typically, if I go to a nice steak restaurant, I’ll even do— I’ll even do 16 in one meal for some good Rib Eye.
Evan Brand: Yeah. Let’s talk about why. I mean, why is it so important? You got to have these nutrients to—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: For one, you got to stabilize your blood sugar. And so, if you’re not getting good fats-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -good proteins in, you must stabilize in blood sugar. And then, two, all the different-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.
Evan Brand: -micronutrients in amino acids that you get from your meats. Those go into fuel hormones, and neurotransmitters.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: So this is why like Vegetarians and Vegans, they come to us so often, but they a lot of times have a mental health issue, like an Anxiety problem. And it’s because they have no protein in. Or if they do have protein, as you mentioned, it’s beans. And then they have a bunch of digestive problems ‘cause they’re eating like cups of beans a day.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So when we look at animals, right? Animals have a great ability to concentrate plant matter. So part of the reason why a lot of animal products can be superfood is because they concentrate plant matter. Number two, if you do organ meats— organ meats. If you look at like— Just Google like Vitamin A, you know, animal versus plant. I mean, you’re gonna see a lot of the plant-stuff. It’s— It’s beta-Carotene and uh— precursor compounds, right? These mixed Carotenoids, these beta-Carotene things, they have to get converted. Right? It’s not active Vitamin A. But if you get animal-based Vitamin A, whether it’s from Cod liver oil or actual liver— liver glands but they weren’t from good quality grass-fed meat, it’s already activated. So a lot of these nutrients are ar— already activated in animal-based forms. And number two, they’re— they’re concentrated, right? Part of the reason they’re concentrated is because the animals concentrate plant matter as they grow. If they’re— you know, if they’re like a natural kind of sustainably farmed type of thing, they’re gonna be grass-fed, and they’re gonna have access to it. We’re not talking about the CAFO feedlot thing. A lot of these, you know, documentaries, you’ll see like cow-
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -to make it work, right?
Evan Brand: Yup, well said. Let’s talk about gut real quick and then we’ll get into the food. So, if your-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -gut’s
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: You and I measured this on Stool testing. We look at levels of Calprotectin. We look at secretory
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: And if your gut’s inflamed, you’re more susceptible to pick up infections. So bacteria and parasites, and worms, and everything else that we see, if you’re gut’s leaky because your gut’s inflamed because you’re eating inflammatory foods, that’s a big like Domino effect. And you could take all the herbs in the world to kill your infections but you have to have an anti-inflammatory diet at the base of it. Otherwise, it won’t work. I’ll just give an example. I did a case review this morning with some clients. And they’re vegetarians. And I’ve been really trying to get them to eat animal proteins but they won’t listen to me. The biggest foundation of their diet is grains. And we’ve looked at their IGA levels, and their IGA levels are still terrible. Now, we did clear some infections, but they have a bunch of parasites. And, I don’t think they’re be— gonna be able to heal their gut if they stay a hundred percent vegetarian. All they eat is like salad three times a day, and then they poop out undigested leafy greens. It’s like your body’s trying to tell you something, but they won’t listen. So—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: E— Exactly, and that’s a really important component. We talked about some of these foods. There’s lots of different ways and mediums in which these foods can be consumed— soup, or smoothie,
Evan Brand: Yeah. Y— You got to do something.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Big time.
Evan Brand: Let’s dive in.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright, cool. So off the bat, I will just say, we’ll just kind of go into our animal products. I would say, grass-fed meat,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Totally. So, I’m gonna put the— I’m gonna put the
Evan Brand: Yup. I would add Avocados to the list while we’re talking about fats.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Evan Brand: I do an Avocado, not
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: …or Polyol reaction. I’m not sure what it was but uh— I believe isn’t Avocado a FODMAP?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It is. It’s a moderate FODMAP. It’s also a monounsaturated fat, so it’s a good one. It’s that good meme on the Face— Facebook I— I see a lot. It’s just great. It’s like an— an Avocado looking in the mirror like having a conversation with himself and he’s like, “You’re fat,” and then he goes, “But you’re a good fat.” [laughs]
Evan Brand: Exactly. I love that one.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [laughs] Is it a great little meme? So I like it. It’s a good quality fat.
Evan Brand: There’s a huge difference. Some may say a note about that. There’s a big difference even between certified organic eggs and certified organic pastured [crosstalk] local—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: So like the Whole Foods Organic Eggs, the yolk is still pretty yellow, but we get these local eggs. There’s a pasture like 20 minutes from here. The eggs are— the yolk is so orange, you can’t even believe it. You’ve never even seen a yolk like that. So if you guys haven’t sought out a local farm, go on the website Eat Wild. Just Google “Eat Wild” or “Local Harvest” and type in your zip code and you can find all sorts of farms, and you could probably find farmer’s markets where you’re gonna get legit— legit quality.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And— And Joe Salitan who runs Polyface Farm, he’s taking some of his pasture-fed organic eggs. He sent them to the lab, and he actually compared
Evan Brand: That’s amazing.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I mean, it’s like, let’s say, you do spend twice the amount of money on something— Let’s say you don’t even get 20 times more. Let’s say you get three or four times more nutrition in certain parts. Is that worth it? I think so.
Evan Brand: Absolutely. Well— So I posted on my facebook page last week. I just put up a podcast with Stephanie Seneff all about Glyphosate.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: It’s a really good episode. And I told people that of you’re not eating a hundred percent organic, that you’re slowly killing yourself. And the lady said that— that I was in an elitist and I was an
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It hits a lot of people’s hot buttons because it’s— the argument really is about priorities. Right? It’s w— where things are more important, money tends to go, right? The problem is, there are a lot of people that kind of have an entitlement, where they expect optimal health but they want to put zero time or money towards it.
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And like if you read Micheal Paulins book— I think it was The Omnivore’s Dilemma. He talked about the amount of money that we use to put towards our food in the 1950’s. It was about 18% of our daily income— or our yearly income. And then, today, it’s been down to 9%. So what does that mean? We’re allocating 50% less of our resources to healthy quality food. I think that’s part of the reason why, you know, we’re sicker as a country, is that we want cheaper, more convenient food, which tends to be more processed and more inflammatory, and less nutrition in it. So there’s a sense of entitlement out there, and we’re just trying to fix the entitlement by, one, inspiring people and motivating them, and number two, giving them the education of like—alright, “Where can I get these things? Which foods are the best from a nutrient density anti-inflammatory stand point. And then piggybacking on that, the Monsanto had a big lawsuit. Uhm—They came back Friday night to take a 290,000,000-dollar lawsuit with this
Evan Brand: Yeah, well said, and so just to clarify for people, if something is not marked organic at your grocery, you can assume that it is sprayed with Glyphosate. We have millions— hundreds of millions of pounds sprayed in the US each year, and it really should not be called conventional food. I should really be called chemical, and then— So there’s the chemical section and then there’s organic. It shouldn’t be conventional because that’s not conventional. Conventional was organic just a short time ago. Now, organic has to be labeled organic but-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: Your grandparents ate conventional in the
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: -didn’t exist.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And here’s the— he’s part of like the reason why a lot of this stuff’s skewed. RIght? If like, you’re Monsanto, and you’ve invested billions of dollars into a product, and you’re researching the product, what are the odds are that you’re gonna come up with negative information— let’s just say, shutting down this product, like sho— like showing that it’s negative and bad and harmful? Now, again, a perfect world would happen is, it would— you may— you may kind of like, you know, manipulate the study a little bit. A lawsuit like this happens and then, it sends a signal to every company. “No. We got to be really careful because we don’t want to be shut down with a massive lawsuit like this that would cripple a company. . Number two is, if I’m like, you know, Josh Mo, scientist at a university, and I want to do a study at this— looking at the safety of Glyphosate or Roundup, how do I get the ability to do a study on that? I have to license that product, that chemical, from Monsanto. Would you think Monsanto’s gonna license that product to me to use in the study? Probably not. This is what becomes, This becomes really hard to— to know the safety of some of these things, where it’s a little bit more ay, easier to do a study on Vitamin C, or an herb because there’s no major patent or massive company behind it. So it’s easier to study nutrients and herbs because it— they’re just out there in nature. There’s no patent on it. No one has exclusive rights to it. So I think it’s easier to believe some of the plant or nutrient or vitamin-based research out there. But when you have a licensed product that people have invested billions into, it’s harder to get unbiased research on those compounds.
Evan Brand: Yup. Agreed. So, eat organic is the goal. Check out the podcast with Stephanie because it will make you just really
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense, and we a little kind of— We went off the— the beat and path here for a sec but I think it’s important to highlight this because if foods have these various residues, even if it’s on our top 10 list here, it may not be a good food for that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Little different, yeah.
Evan Brand: Yup. Go for organic.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You can make that claim. There’s a little more behind that claim.
Evan Brand: Let me say a couple things about coconut. You mentioned coconut oil. I would tell people too. If you— If you like it, or if you’re looking for a swap, and you’re not doing well, with like Almond milk or if you’re still drinking conventional milk, coconut milk, you can do
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Now, let’s go onto some various herbs that we can add
Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s great. I would say Cinnamon would be one to add to the list, too, of things you should have.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: For blood sugar too.
Evan Brand: Yeah. I love using Cinnamon to help with stabilizing blood sugar. There’s actually-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -some blood sugar supplements that have Cinnamon as an ingredient, so that show you how powerful it can be, not only as a spice or a
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Let’s go into some various nuts and seeds. I mean, there’s some really good seeds. Chia seeds are great. They have really good Omega-3 content. Omega- 3 is that anti-inflammatory
Evan Brand: ‘Cause you’re avoiding the conversion process, you’re saying?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Yeah. you’re bypassing the conversion process when you’re doing animal products. When you’re doing plant, there is a conversion process. Now, the less inflamed you are and the more Insulin-sensitive you are, the more you can convert that. So there’s an enzyme called delta-5 desaturase. Should it delta-5 or
Evan Brand: Makes sense
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very high in Zinc.
Evan Brand: -feeling so good with pumpkin seeds. I found a brand that’s organic, just a little touch of salt on them, and I do great with those, and most people can tolerate those quite well.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Very good. Now, if we go to some of the fruits, I mean, I would go to the more nutrient-dense lower sugar fruits ‘cause high sugar in— in higher forms can be inflammatory just because it increases Insulin, and it causes these Advanced Glycation End Products. So we got to be careful with the sugar component. So I would say things like
Evan Brand: I would throw in the Citrus a bit too. Some Lemon, some Limes could be great.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: I do that in the morning. A lot of people say that they just don’t have an appetite to drink water, or just, they don’t like the taste of it or something, so they just don’t drink much, especially a lot of teenagers that I work with. So I just tell them, “Make a little homemade Lemonade. Do a dash of Stevia or Monk Fruit, Lime, Lemon, and drink it, and that can be great. There’s a ton of benefits to that. And even some of the heavy metal detox protocols that I’ve learned-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -the companies recommend that the client drinks Lemon to help during the process, so that’s pretty cool.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Absolutely. Is there anything else? So then we also have like our green vegetables. And then again, a lot of these green veggies are gonna be very high in Sulforaphane, uh— Diindolylmethane,
Evan Brand: Yeah. And we weave and use Broccoli extract in some of our protocols, so there’s actually really, really good solid evidence on the helping with Estrogen metabolism. So if you’d have any type of uh— Phthalate or plastic PA type exposure, which everyone has, then Broccoli extracts, or just eating Broccoli or Broccoli sprouts are awesome. I have a friend who actually makes a lot of different sprouts. He grows them and sells them at the farmer’s market, and people loved that stuff, and they feel so good.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. That’s great. And also say, uh— bone broth and/or organ meats, kind of put them on the same category ‘cause they’re more like
Evan Brand: So— Yeah. It— I believe the— So the Glyphosate, it is uh— I believe it’s a Glycine molecule that has something extra added to it. So, it replaces a Glycine. It’s like the body thinks that it’s Glycine but it’s not, so that’s why it’s so dangerous.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I imagine it may block some of the effects that Glycine would normally have on the body.
Evan Brand: That’s right.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Glycine has a lot of beneficial effects at helping to be a backbone for Glutathione, so I imagine that Roundup or Glyphosate probably decreases Glutathione function. And I imagine it probably decreases the enterocytes that line our gut, ‘cause I know there’s research that in— increases gut permeability. I know Glycine’s really important for gut function. Correct?
Evan Brand: Yeah. That would be the mechanism. She did talk about that. How it does— not only does it increase the leaky gut situation but it also increases blood-brain barrier permeability, too. So, if you have a leaky gut, you have most likely
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we’re getting some questions in here that are inquiring about like, “Oh! If I get Glyphosate toxicity, what will I do?” I mean, I would say, liposomal Glutathione is great and/or just a lot of the Sulfur amino acids to make it. So, like, we have products that we use that give concentrated Sulfur-based amino acids like Glycine, Glutamine,
Evan Brand: Yeah. So, uh— Samuel had asked about a product form Zach Bush called Restore. I’ve had clients who’ve been taking Restore for over a year. I tested their levels of Glyphosate. These were people who said they’ve been eating organic, so we know they’re getting no new exposure to Glyphosate. They’re not using it around the house, and they’ve been taking Restore for a year. Their levels wer— we’re still off the charts. So I’m not convinced. I know he’s done some research on— on his own about gut permeability, which is awesome, but I’ve seen the data firsthand, testing people, and Glyphosate levels are still high. Now, I don’t know what their levels were like before they started that product. So maybe their levels were—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] It could have been higher.
Evan Brand: …higher.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.
Evan Brand: And maybe it reduced it 10 times, so I’m not against it. I think it’s in the category of things that might help. Can’t hurt. But it’s not the ultimate cure-all. I talked with Dr. Shaw. He says sweating is key, and then Stephanie said that Fulvic acid is one of the best binders to— to soak it up and so I’ve been using a couple different tinctures lately to help with heavy metals, and it happens to have Fulvic acid in it. So, that’s kind of the go-to.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s excellent. So, in general, a lot of the Sulfur amino acid compounds I think are good to help with Glutathione. Uh— I think getting liver-
Evan Brand: I want to say the last food, and it’s sweet potatoes, and it’s because everyone is against-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm—
Evan Brand: -Carbohydrates so much, and sweet potatoes changed my life. When I had adrenal problems, I was going so low carb, and I couldn’t handle the stress of it. I believe my— my adrenals may have been just too weak to adapt to Ketogenic— maybe I’m wrong, maybe there was something else and my gut infection’s weakening me, but when I just added in a small sweet potato, just a couple times a week, that was the— Carb read feed at dinner time that I needed to really help me-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -sleep better. And then once I slept better then I had more energy during the day.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and I think, you know, we got to look at your situation as you’re definitely leaner and more Insulin-sensitive. So, just remember, if you’re an Insulin-resistant individual, right— uh— maybe a little bit overweight,
Evan Brand: You’ve got Vitamin A.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: You’ve got Vitamin B5, B6—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Potassium, uhmhm—
Evan Brand: Yeah, Potassium, Riboflavin— I mean, there’s a lot of good B’s in your sweet potatoes. I want to hit this question up, and I didn’t mean to distract if you have something else to say, but there was a question, or just a comment, from Gary, and he mentioned that the dilemma is you talk to the cardiologist nutrition people and they
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Jack Wolfson, yup.
Evan Brand: He’s a Board-Certified Cardiologist. Guess what he’s dietary protocol is for all of his patients. It’s Paleo. It’s a Paleo template, and he reverses heart issues with the Paleo template. So you can’t pay attention to the conventional nutritionist that are trained by big Pharma.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And just remember, when we— when we talk about any dietary advice, we don’t talk about
Evan Brand: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that template allows us to take meat and bring it
Evan Brand: Right. Yeah, well said. Uh— There was uh— comment here from Eva that you probably like to hear. “Hi, Justin. Wanted to say my nightly light cramps are gone since I started to take magnesium malate three times a day. That’s cool.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. Really cool. Excellent.
Evan Brand: Has a question here about Charl— from Charlie, “Grass-fed beef but grain-finished beef still optimal?” No, it’s not. You want a hundred percent grass-fed, grass-finished. They do the grain at the end because it helps to add some fat and marbling to it, but I, personally, like grass-fed and -finished.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, if you don’t have the ability to get that because
Evan Brand: That’s a good point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: There’s a good question from another person. My son had GALP He eats grass-fed meats, organic chicken. He’s Gluten dairy-free. Any thoughts?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uuuhm— Who’s
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Got to— I’m trying to find that question.
Evan Brand: It was near the top.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, got it. Uhm— So in general, I would just say first, goat tends to be driven up by fructose. Okay? So, fructose can get converted to Uric acid. And again, it’s Fructose. We had a lot of questions about this. So, like, “Dr. J, what’s— what’s Fructose? It’s Fructose.” No, it’s not. It’s Fructose. I got a big conversation with Dr. Robert
Evan Brand: I’ll just start saying it like you then. I wouldn’t say Fructose. I’m gonna have to correct myself now.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Oh, he was like, “Dude, it’s Fructose.” I’m like, “Alright. I’ll say Fructose from now on.” Uhm— But in general, with Fructose, that can be the big driving factor of Uric acid, alright? That can be the big one. So, they may need to go. They may need to decrease some of the Purine-rich meat to start, so a lot of the Purine-rich meat may be the organ meats, may be the higher fatty meats, in the meantime, while they get the carbs down and they cut the fructose down beneath like 12 to 15 grams per day. And then—
Evan Brand: And then grains too, ‘cause she said gluten-dairy free but she didn’t say [crosstalk] grain-free.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Of course, grain-free— all that. Get all that stuff out of there. I’d even do nightshade-free as well, and make sure the Carbs are very low and the Fructose— the Fructose is low as well, below 13 grams. And then start from there.
Evan Brand: And alcohol. I’ll get rid of alcohol if they’re doing it. There are people could, “ Oh! I’m organic, gluten-free!” And then they drink two glasses of wine at night.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yup. So I would start with that and then I’ll— the alcohol as well, and then see how it goes.
Evan Brand: Alright, let’s keep going here. Thanks for the feedback, Mary Anne. Uh— Did you see any other questions? I think that was most of them. We— We hit Samuel. He was asking about the supplements to eliminate Glyphosate. I commented on that already. And then, Em-Em here. Do you know of a good d— desiccated glandular supplement?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So desiccated glandular— So it’s got to be— So it’s got to be porcine. So for my thyroid support, thyroid balance, I have one. It is— It’s got some active thyroid constituents in there, so it’s something I only recommend to someone that needs it and has lab testing to support it. So, that’s a good product but it wouldn’t be necessarily recommended in unless there’s Lab Testing saying that you need it.
Evan Brand: Yeah, good point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: Uh— Last question here form Roshan, “It’s becoming evident. My Hypochloridia’s due to
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So, number one, just getting the stomach acid and the enzymes up
Evan Brand: [incomprehensible] will work better, you’re saying?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It will make it work better, I mean. So, they’re saying that the pyloric sphincter— so that’s the sphincter that goes from the stomach to the small intestine. Uhm— That is opening up soon. So I would just get the food digested better. You could always throw some bitters in to help as well. But I get that sphincter working better by getting the right pH there, and that tends to help in obviously like the low-hanging fruit, like not eating when stressed and such.
Evan Brand: Yeah. Not eating in a rush-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: -not scrolling on Instagram while—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Chewing your food up enough.
Evan Brand: Yeah. A lot of people have terrible eating habits. You know, my clients, I tell that I want them to eat in peace and they laugh and say, “But that’s so boring.” It’s like, what are you doing then? And they’re like watching TV, playing on their phone, reading the newspaper, and like in an argument with their friend, all at the same time while they’re eating. It’s like, “No wonder we have a digestion problem epidemic.”
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, I would just say, if your digestion’s better and good and you’re feeling good after your meals, you can obviously cheat a little bit with some of those recommendations. But if your digestion’s not good, then you want at least give yourself that 10-15 minutes of peace.
Evan Brand: It’s easy.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmhm—
Evan Brand: Five minutes before the meal, chill out. Five minutes after— you know, try not to rush through the meal.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And then, what can help a Hiatal hernia is on— one, there’s some
Evan Brand: I had a Hiatal hernia one time, and I think it just disappeared ‘cause I’m not bothered by that part of my—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [crosstalk] Yeah.
Evan Brand: I don’t feel anything anymore.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It could have been infection-based. So let’s kind of summarize a lot of the foods. And again, in no particular order just ‘cause
Evan Brand: Pumpkin seeds. Don’t forget—
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Pumpkin seeds. Pumpkin seeds. Is there anything else you wanted to add to that list, Evan? I think good quality hydration.
Evan Brand: Uhmhm— Don’t skip out on that. A lot of people do a lot of teas and a lot of coffee because they don’t do Soda, which is great, but you can’t skip the good
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.
Evan Brand: Organic coffee all day, great! But, okay. You got to drink water, as well. How simple.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bingo! I guess that’s excellent, Evan. Well, hey! Today was a great podcast. Appreciate everyone listening. Head over to thyroidresetsummit.com. We got a Summit coming out, end of the year to probably be in January. We’re moving it back a little bit to get more great speakers involved in the summit. More time here. And, Evan, anything else you want to say? I would just say give us a thumbs up. GIve us a share. You know, hit the— the bell as well so you get the alerts to these great talks so you guys can be involved and connected. Anything else, Evan, for you?
Evan Brand: Uh— People can reach out if they want to. Schedule a consult with you, your site. And they also— you also have those supplements mentioned on there. The Curcumin Supreme. That’s at justinhealth.com. And then, if you want to check out my site, consult with me, evanbrand.com. We love helping you all. We really appreciate the feedback. Take good care of yourselves.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Evan, you have a great day. Everyone out there, have a phenomenal week too.
Evan Brand: See you later.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bye now.
Evan Brand: Bye.
The Omnivore’s Dilemma, Michael Paulin’s book