Food Allergies and Skin Reactions | Podcast #264

For this episode, we will be hitting some of the skin reactions due to food, which is common to everyone. Dr. J is with Evan Brand today to talk about the different types of food allergies, the skin reactions to it, how we are going to address it and how can we prevent it. Review the podcast below.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

00:16 Food Reactions and Skin Issues

04:32 Nut Sensitivity

10:00 Importance of Chewing Properly

14:31 Vegan/Vegetarian Diet

19:05 Gut’s Connection to Skin

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live. It’s Dr. J here in the house. I got Evan Brand here right before the Christmas holiday. I think Today’s the first day of Hanukkah, Happy Hanukkah. Merry Christmas. Christmas Eve is tomorrow. Really exciting. Evan, how are you doing today man?

Evan Brand: I’m doing wonderful. I brought up the idea of food reactions and skin issues. And this is something that a lot of people experience and they don’t even know it. Think of your kids who you feed like a gluten free cookie. And that cookie is loaded with potato starch and rice flour and corn flour and and then your kid gets a rash on on a face and then you don’t even think about it. So like our daughter summer. That’s what happened to her probably, I don’t know, maybe a year year and a half ago when we were trying to feed her some rice snacks. It was like these little rice cookies or rice crackers. I don’t remember exactly what it was. And she started getting a rash and I thought okay, What the heck is going on here. And this is a very, very common thing that adults experience but they don’t pay attention to it or they’re covered up and makeup. So the women don’t see what’s happening. But underneath all of that, there’s some mechanisms that are dysfunctioning, which is probably your gut barriers messed up, or your immune system is messed up, which your gut is basically your immune system. And so why don’t we kind of break this apart a little bit?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so just in summary, will be hitting kind of some of the skin reactions due to food, that’s going to be the big thing we had off the bat. Well, I have a four month old son who actually had some skin reactions recently, and we noticed some nuts and seeds and eggs were actually a big deal as well. So some women who are breastfeeding and their kids have skin issues. The first thing you want to look at is your diet. The natural tendency is to go to the pediatrician and typically it’s going to be some type of corticosteroid cream, a lot of time that’s going to be recommended, but a lot of times but changing the diet helps. In this particular situation. His skin was awesome, more reactive because it was just super, super dry. The time of the year, so we just use a pure lanolin. And that helped as well. But also making some diet changes also really, really move the needle. So one of the first things we can do is make diet changes on top of that, and sometimes people who are already coming into this health space on a paleo template, they’ve already cut out grains and, and maybe the junk food and the refined sugars and the not so good fats, but then they’re like, wait, I’m still having an issue. And it could be eggs, it could be knots, it could be seeds, it could be those, you know, will be the bigger foods that could also be a problem, maybe even nightshades. And I say autoimmune template, maybe the next thing we want to jump on versus just a strict paleo template.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And it’s hard for kids to write. I mean, my little girl is what she is eight months old now. And your little boys? What coming up on four months?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. My second son Hudson. He’s almost four. And then my son Aiden and my first son Aiden’s two and a quarter or so? Yeah.

Evan Brand: So see, the interesting thing is a lot of things that we see in kids Like our own kids are the things we see in the people that we’re working with clinically, because I’m not saying that the infant gut is the same as an adult gut. But in the sense that the adult that comes to us that has all these problems, they have a leaky gut, and they probably have low diversity just like a baby does. You know, a baby basically comes into the world with the leaky gut and low diversity that you have to build up and create, you kind of have to manufacture a good microbiome and an infant. So a lot of things that we see in our own kids. It’s interesting because we see the same thing in adults. So you mentioned your son having issues with eggs. Same thing with our little one, we gave her some eggs and then boom, immediately a rash on the cheek, and we gave her some almond butter and then boom, immediately a rash on the cheek. So I want to point out one thing, which is that these foods that are put into the Paleo or like the ancestral category, they’re really not that they’re really not that paleo meaning. If you take like an almond butter bar, for example, how many almonds Would that have taken to create that bar? and How hard would it have been for our ancestors to take the almond off the tree? I think the almond is sealed up in something, isn’t it where you have to probably crack it open and get the almond del verse, right? When you eat a bar. It’s just so hyper process. It’s like, yeah, it’s organic. It’s this and that, but it’s like, that never would have happened in nature. So I think a lot of our food reactions may happen just because we’re being exposed to things that we shouldn’t be exposed to like an almond bar that’s like 200, you know, 200 almonds, for example.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Now, in regards to that, I mean, it can be more of an issue when there’s already a potential nut sensitivity to begin with. And then you’re eating the equivalent of like multiple handfuls of nuts, that could definitely be a problem. But in general, if you’re pretty good health, that could be a good option for like an 8020 thing where like, there may be like a healthier cheat, paleo cheat wise that is in your ballpark, and that’s kind of where you want to try. I think it’s great for that, but we just want to make sure we don’t make those things, staples.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and don’t get me wrong. I love a good organic all mimbar here and there, but just when it comes to food reactions, I’m trying to find a picture of it. This is the sad thing. I’ve never actually been to an almond tree to see how the Omen sits on the tree. I’m sure it’s encapsulated in some sort of shell. Yeah, I see a picture here. So yeah, so it is encapsulated of some sort. So I mean, you think about an ancestor they would have been having to crack that bad boy open. I mean, you probably would have been tired after 1520 almonds worth of cracking, you know, you’re not going to eat just handfuls and handfuls and handfuls or scoops and scoops and scoops of butter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, 100% I agree. So we have those are other types of food reactions when that when the kids are younger, it’s different because mom has the full ability to control what’s going in to her into her breast milk, right so we have that. The next thing is as kids are starting to eat their own foods now what? So the first thing I always look at is trying to use safe starch alternatives over any kind of grain. I think it’s always safer so I always go to a yucca flower, or a cassava flower or some kind of an arrow root, which is usually a combination of primarily Yucca as a good, healthy, safe starch if we’re going to consume something processed, right? So I always try to keep that in mind. Number one, we don’t get a lot of those in our society, right. And number two, we don’t have the gluten sensitivity component, because there are other types of grains, corn, rice, and oat that you know, are in that gluten free category. They don’t have [inaudible] or zien, in the form of corn. And these are cousins and sisters and brothers of gluten and there could be this case of mistaken identity just like as a family resemblance in certain families. Well, there’s a, an immune resemblance to the immune system in regards to gluten. So we gotta keep that in the back of our head.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So if you just look up gluten cross reactivity, there’s actually some testing out there some highly advanced expensive testing that you could do if you wanted to try to get an answer on paper, but a lot of times you can just figure it out based on how you feel if you get a rash. For example, Like I was doing organic blue corn chips for a while I love done this is like couple years ago and then I started to have reaction he would either be like a headache or just some change with the scan. And so you’re basically saying that with the receptor, corn can sort of fit into this gluten receptor meaning that the body gets tricked. It’s sort of like, Oh, this is gluten and then boom, it’s going to go create this inflammatory response. But it was an accident. It wasn’t actually gluten it was corn. And this is the same thing with chocolate Believe it or not, and coffee as well. What else is on that list? Potato was on the list. yeast. You mentioned rice. I mean, gluten cross reactivity is a huge, huge linked to skin problems. So this is like the low hanging fruit to look at.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, there’s definitely that so we have to keep that kind of in our mind. That’s like the first thing because there are a lot of people that come on to this camp and they just, you know, gluten free is a very trendy thing. We always draw a line between gluten free processed and grain free alternatives. That’s that’s really, really important to kind of highlight number one. Number two poor digestion- even foods that we’re consuming that were our that we’re having an allergen is 32. And immune response to is a big deal as well. So the more we can break that allergen down, makes it easier for our gut to process it.

Evan Brand: And why is that process failing, though? So that’s the thing that people don’t they don’t get. It’s like, Okay, I’m eating, I’m eating good. Why am I still having these issues? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, because if if a food is naturally inflammatory for you, or creates a stress response in your body, that stress response is going to make it harder for you to make enough enzymes or acid to be able to process the food to begin with. So we have to just know that that may be an issue and combat it with more enzymes. That make sense. Yes. And kind of like, you know, there are certain foods that are like we call it like an intolerance, an intolerance is lactose intolerance, where maybe you can’t break down that sugar and milk, ie lactose. But if we give you more enzymes, the lactase enzyme you can handle it. So it may not necessarily be an allergen issue, and maybe an intolerance issue. And it may be a combination of the two because the more intolerant you are to something, the larger that molecule is in your gut. And the greater chance that that thing will then now there’ll be an immune reaction to it. Because we were able to break it down into like a peptide type of form a really small form, if you will.

Evan Brand: Yeah, what you’re saying without directly saying it is there’s like a spectrum of reactions. So it could be just a very, very minor quote, food intolerance, or food sensitivity, and then you go all the way up to like, straight allergic reaction where after you eat the eggs, you’ve got the gall bladder pain, you’ve got the sniffles, you’ve got a headache, you know. So in in between that spectrum, of course, there’s other root causes beneath so it’s not just the eggs that you blame, then you have to investigate the gut and figure out what is the gut compromised with some sort of infection? You mentioned the enzymes Well, why is there not enough enzymes in the first place? Is this just age? Is it not chewing food enough? Is it that they were stressed while they were eating they’re like scrolling on Instagram while they’re trying to eat their meal?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The food in itself is stressful. Yeah, so the easiest first thing to do is just get more enzymes and acids in and make sure you’re chewing your food up well and you control the stress in the environment. Those are the first two to three things. And then from there, if we still have problems, then we can of course start cutting their paring back foods, or just trying to cook the foods better people forget that the reason why we cook foods and part of the reason that our brains evolved is through fire, we were able to cook you know, imagine eating like raw flesh, very hard to digest that and process that as soon as you start cooking it with fire, you’re able to start pre digesting a lot of that food and that food then makes it more accessible to your gut into your brain and to all of your organ system. So just by cooking that food up better using an Instant pot or steaming those vegetables or you know soft Tang it you access more nutrition like if you look at like I think it’s you go to like my food data, you go to the US Department of Health with a look at nutrition like like nutrients and food and if you just compared the nutrients and raw broccoli to cook broccoli, the nutrition nutrients actually go higher and cook broccoli. Why? Because we can actually access those nutrients we can access them. That’s the difference.

Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s activator. So the the overall vegetarian vegan people, that’s why if we were to just throw out of a label, you know, if someone said hey, Dr. J. Evan, who are the most malnutrition, you know, most malnourished people you’ve seen on data, like looking at amino acid profiles or like some of the ion profiles, it would be like a raw vegetarian, a raw vegan. And here’s the interesting thing. Those people have a lot of food reactions to that’s probably what led them to that sort of diet in the first place, right? They’ll say, Well, I was reacting to everything. So I just went raw, or I just went carnivore, for example, that could be another flavor of diet where people go to an extreme but they’re missing the root cause of trying to calm the immune system down, restore the gut barrier and clear the infections.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Have you ever seen a raw a raw vegan eat in front of you?

Evan Brand: Dude, I never have, I probed some of them because I have clients that will say that they’re all vegans when they start working with us and I’ll tell them straight up Look, I’m really going to push you not to be a raw vegan anymore but just walk me through your lunch, and then they’ll tell me through their lunch and it’s like beans and arugula.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I’ve seen a couple I’ve seen a handful of people that I know that are raw vegans and I’ve had lunch with them. Here’s my experience number one, is they need a salad that is absolutely massively big because you know if we just have like some protein and a little side salad, that side salads maybe going to have like 30 calories in it right? So they literally have a salad that’s just absolutely massive which is great. Right? No problem with that. But number one, is because there’s so much fiber in there literally takes them about 45 minutes to eat the salad. And it’s kind of it makes sense because if you look at cows right which eat grass, if you look at how much time cow spend eating cows literally spend 16 hours a day eating 16 hours of non stop eating So it’s interesting. If you’re a good vegetarian or vegan, you literally have to be eating for 30 4050 minutes straight at a whack now, where you can kind of sidestep, that is you can do juices like you can do celery juice, or you can juice that, which allows you to get more than nutrition without having to chew a whole bunch. And too, you can steam it or saute it and that kind of makes it more accessible to but the raw vegans, they’re really handicapped in that way. And of course, they are going to need extra amino acids, whether it’s from hemp or a free form amino acid formula, you can do it. From a vegan perspective, it’s a lot harder and it’s much more unnatural. And you’re gonna have to rely a lot on protein powders for the most part, or you’ll be doing rice and beans and you’ll be getting 400 grams of carbohydrates if you want, you know, half a gram per pound the body where you’re going to be consuming a ton of carbohydrate.

Evan Brand: Now, let me ask you this great points. Do you think it’s just a correlation? Do you think it’s just a coincidence that when we do see like a raw vegetarian vegan person, they’re having all these food reactions, they’re reacting to everything. Food they’re getting watery eyes are getting skin rashes are getting hives. That’s what led them to that diet in the first place. Do you think it’s a coincidence that they’re still very sick on that? Do you think it’s due to lack of collagen and things to build back up the gut barrier? So they just stay with the leaky gut? So they’re stuck with veggies and they’re still miserable? Or, or do you think it’s just that? I guess it could the answer could be both. They had a bunch of infections or something or they went to Bali and got a bunch of parasites that screwed up their gut, and then they felt bad. So then they went that-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a combination of two. So it all depends where you see them in the cycle. Okay, here’s the cycle. Okay. We call it I’ve heard it described as the vegan holiday. It all depends where you’re coming from in your diet. If you’re coming from a standard American diet, where you eating junky meats, lots of hormones, pesticides, lots of crapple, hydrates, refined sugar and you go to a vegan diet, you’re always going to feel better. It’s always relative to form what you’re coming from to where you’re going to number one. Number two is how much inflammation Like they may have added inflammation through lots of anti nutrients, but the drop and inflammation from all the other crap was greater, so they’re going to feel better. Does that make sense? So there’s this detoxifying effect that from just cleaner foods organic, lots of nutrition and vegetables, less hormones. So there’s that vegan honeymoon that happens. Number two, and then the people that actually do better with it are the ones that are more ectomorphs. They can handle more carbohydrate, good. It’s very hard to be on a vegan diet and not consume a ton of carbohydrate, very, very tough. If you look at the amount of calories you get from just vegetables is no way right, six ounces of protein sources. In animal products like grass fed meat, you need 16 cups of kale to compete with that. No one’s going to do that in a day. And it’s much easier to eat six ounces of meat than 16 cups of kale. It’s just not going to happen. So you need to get other complex starchy sources along with that, that to get the correct amino acid profile and then you Need to combine it with other foods like rice or beans or lentils or whatever. And so then you get about a 65 to 70% carbohydrate split. So then now you your carbohydrates have to be over what the food pyramid recommends, which is about usually a 60 on the carbs 15 on the protein 25 on the fat, and now you’re upwards of 70%. And so if you’re not exercising a lot are pretty active, you’re pretty screwed. So in general, people do feel better, because plants are easy to digest the meats, but when the plants become excessively raw, you’re not using cooking to help break that down, it can become hard. So a lot of the anti nutrients, the phytates, the oxalates a lot of that fiber on a damaged gut can be very, very hard to digest. And then once you start factoring in something like ceiba or bacterial overgrowth, where the gut bacteria is very high in a lot of despotic things like central bacteria, Prevotella, or Pseudomonas, and then you have a lot of these higher fermentable carbohydrates like onions or broccoli or brussels sprouts or Garlic, then that can really feed a lot of these things and you can get more gas and more bloats. And that can disrupt motility, whether you’re on the more on the diarrhea side or on the constipated side, and that’s very common. And of course, that’s gonna make it hard for you to absorb nutrition.

Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s great, great points. I want to go back to some of the band aids and things you mentioned the SIBO. So of course, we’re going to be testing and looking at your gut and trying to get that resolved because a restrictive diet regardless of how restricted or what type of restrictions, there are, that’s, that’s still not root cause right? Like, someone could just say, Well, I feel fine. I’ve got five foods that I can eat it’s like well, that’s not a way to live. You can only five things otherwise you’re miserable. That’s not a way to live, you’re missing something. So in the meantime, though, you mentioned enzymes, which can be good. And then also you and I can use some type of herbal antihistamines, so we may throw in like one ingredient we use Japanese Sephora. That is something that naturally contains course attend and course attend can help stabilize some of these reactions. You’ve got stinging nettle, which can be helpful. You’ve got sodium bicarbonate is added to some histamine solutions we use vitamin C can help with histamine reactions. What else I mean there’s a ton that I know of I don’t have the full list.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I would also say just DAO enzyme [inaudible] oxidase and you can get that in kidney glandular tissue, which helps break down the enzymes. And some people we need just be on a lower histamine diet as well. That could be a big one, too. I’ve seen people when we go after like h pylori infections or gut infections, sometimes this the body gets overwhelmed the immune system and detoxification system get overwhelmed. And the skin gets used as a means to push things out of it’s very possible. That’s the case. So we kind of gone on a couple of tangents, but I want to bring it all home, right? Anytime we have stressing the got the skin can be effective. So I’m just trying to like zoom out. Okay, here are all the things that can happen in the gut. But anytime I’m talking about the gut, the skins intimately connected with that as well. So just keep that in mind. Your head everyone listening, the more we can reduce inflammation in the gut, we automatically help the skin number one. And then number two, when we have issues with the skin, we can always do things to kind of help. I mean there are different essential oils that can be used if it’s eczema reaction. peppermints excellent. calendula is really good. If it’s eczema or psoriatic reaction. Usually psoriasis is more flaky, eczema isn’t. And there’s an autoimmune component. So we really just we default back to that autoimmune diet. I have parents that tell me Well, my kids on it like 60% or 70%, or 80%. It’s like, it’s not enough. That’s the equivalent of your kid having a peanut allergy. And being like, well, he only eats peanuts one day a week. It’s like no, doesn’t work. Like you’ve got to be 100% to see the benefit because every time you stimulate the immune response, there’s a reaction and there’s a reaction and part of the healing comes from not not stimulating that immune system, and then we give healing nutrients to comment down whether it’s college Or whether it’s dgl, or Allah or just kind of soothing things, ginger, these are all you know, clean amino acids, these are all really good things, the parasites in our gut, those leaky gut junctions are made from amino acids are actually needed to help with. That’s why the gaps diet is so high in glycine, from organ meats and collagen, and bone marrow, so high in glycine, because the glycine really helps with the inteiro site. tight junctions so and that’s an amino acid and it’s going to be an amino acid that’s going to be lower in plant based products too.

Evan Brand: Yep, absolutely. That’s the that’s the ding ding ding that I was waiting for you to do. That’s like, Okay, if you’re still listening, you’re still vegan after this podcast. And please reach out to Justin schedule a console and let us can let us convince you with science. That’s the thing. It gets really silly when you see various documentaries that come out and it’s all emotional. You and I’ve talked about this before where there’s like an emotional drive behind some of the things but people just lose the clinical piece and so we don’t have an Agenda beyond getting people well, we could care less about this or that and the politics of this or that that’s not our goal, our goal is just to help you get better. And so we use the laboratory testing and we use the data. And of course, most importantly, we use your symptoms. How is your skin doing with this diet change? How is your skin doing? Now that we’ve resolved these issues? Now that we’ve added in the collagen or the bone marrow, we’ve added extra glycine and bone broth? How are you doing? How are you feeling? And our results? And if you look at all of our five star reviews, that’s all you have to know. It’s, we’re doing this to get a clinical result and an outcome that allows people to have less symptoms and to enjoy their life more. And so there’s times where we have to change our opinion on stuff because of that, if we try something and it doesn’t work, then we’ve got to go back and go back to the drawing board.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, the key thing is just look at how we’ve evolved from a food perspective. When you go back and you look at hunter gatherer societies and you look at the nutrition that allowed our brain to grow evolve, it’s easy to see because you can connect the dots. And the only way, the only way you can come to a different conclusion is if you don’t if you are missing that, that accurate timeline of how we got to where we’re at now, if you miss that, then it makes sense. But if you really understand it, or in summary, in summary, all foods don’t cause new disease, right? If you had that mindset, you would not fall prey to the, you know, low fat scam of the 80s and 90s. And, and all trans fats and the margins and the vegetable oil spray. If you had that mindset, you don’t fall prey to that thing. So if you have a different lens and a filter and how to to look at things and perceive things, you won’t get propagandize. Yep, absolutely. Very cool.

Evan Brand: Like I said, there’s a lot of things we can do testing wise, looking at store looking at organic acid testing, there’s nutrient profiles, there’s ways to measure your gut barrier, as Justin talked about kind of sealing up the gut to fix the skin issues and reactions. And so you could drink a gallon of bone broth a day and not get any better number one because bone broth can be Hi and histamine depending on whether it’s store bought or home cooked, or how long you cooked it for. So, you know, people just think you could just sit bone broth and stay in your pajamas all day and fix your gut. But that’s not how it works. In reality, you’ve got to do underlying, you gotta find and fix underlying causes as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, an example is this, okay? people listening to that. Just imagine, you put aloe on your sunburn every day, but you still go out past, you know, the amount of time you should be outside and you get burned every day. I’m going to go outside, I’m going to get burned. But I’m going to just rub aloe on every single night and then you repeat that cycle. Is your skin ever going to heal? No. And it’s the equivalent to what people’s guts are. They’re just, they’re sunburned every day, and they’re just continuing to ravallo on it.

Evan Brand: I love that. I love the analogies. It really just helps clarify things I need to get better at analogies.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, then with an analogy is it sticks like you don’t have to memorize that analogy. It resonates. It’s in your soul. You get it because there’s a picture. you visualize it in your brain. You’ve had that experience before and you’re thinking It’s not something you have to memorize. It’s not a mechanism that you have to read and study and memorize it.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, people walk away with a couple of, you know, pictures in their brain about the concepts we’re talking about. I think we’re in good shape. Is there anything else you want to highlight in regards to food reactions on the skin?

Evan Brand: I would say that they are reversible. You know, I’ve had my fair share of food reactions as well just in various stages of healing with my body adrenals gut, and on and on. And so things that you react to now are not things that you necessarily will react to in the future. We’ve had people that were on such limited such restricted diets, and they were so happy that they could add back in nuts and seeds and add back in eggs and add an avocado again and add in citrus. So don’t just assume that because right now you can only eat five foods or 10 foods or you can eat this and you wish you could whenever going to say go eat gluten and all this other garbage but I’m talking real good foods like let’s say cashews but you have a bad problem with cashews or eggs but you are in pain every time you eat eggs. The good news is a lot of this stuff is reversible, you just have to get to the root cause. So if you try the digestive enzyme route, you’re still struggling, look deeper, reach out clinically, even if you don’t work with us, you work with somebody else. As long as they know what they’re doing, and they get you better, we’re happy. But of course, we would love the opportunity to help you. So Justin and I work with people around the world, we send these advanced lab tests to your home, if we need to send you out for blood locally, we get blood locally, we do a lab review, we review it all together, we lay all the puzzle pieces out on the table and we put those in the correct order, which is the secret sauce to getting people better.


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Creating a Healthy Home | Podcast #201

We all care so much about the sense of wellness around our home. But sometimes no matter the cleaning that we do, we wonder why we still feel not comfy, and healthy. Chances are, we’re missing out important details – details on molecular levels.

Today’s podcast talks about molds, air filters, the scents that we wear, even the healthiness of waters we drink. Watch this video as Dr. J and Evan Brand give us the geeky advice in creating a healthy home.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

01:15    Mold Issues

02:41    Air Filters and Paints

14:30    Bug Sprays

16:49    Chemicals in Water

20:02    Air Filter Systems

27:10    Enhancing Detoxification

32:23    All About Scents


Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani, Evan how we doing today my friend?

Evan Brand: Life is good! Look, it’s like 88 degrees in October this is unreal in Kentucky everybody is like freekin‘ out, but– I’m loving every second of it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent man! Love to hear it. So, what’s going on? any other updates for me on the health front? Let’s cook ’em.

Evan Brand: Hmm… Not too much is cooking I’m still working on my course as you know our time these days is so valuable and limited that its– I had this idea in my head like I was gonna get this thing done by the fall and then here it’s comin’ out on the fall and I don’t have it done. So, I know we’ve chattered off here about our– our courses that we’re working on and we just have to make time to do it. But that’s my only update and in terms of projects everything else is just– stay busy with the clinic and us keeps spreading the– spreading the good word, I mean, we get so much good feedback that I know we’re on to something great and we need to keep goin’ until– I don’t know when, I– I don’t see an expiration date for– for– for when our hustle stops.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I hundred percent agree with that, that make sense to me. So, we chat about in the pre uh– show here that we wanna chat more about kind of healthy home, creating a healthy environment, air water and such, uh– in that realm so, why we don’t dive in? Go ahead.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So, the reason I– I brought this topic up is because I had a guy who– uh– came to me for his wife’s health issues and what he noticed is that everytime they left the house, her symptoms would get a little bit better. So, even if they went to the grocery store for an hour, if they went to their parent’s house for a night or two, you know his wife’s joint pain, her brain fall, her energy levels her symptoms would all change, it would get significantly better. We’re talkin’ 60-70% better just by leaving her house, okay. So, some would say well maybe that’s EMF, maybe that’s magnetic fields, maybe that’s charged electricity, maybe it’s this or that. And turns out it was a mold issue. And so they had mold in their basement that they weren’t aware of–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh huh…

Evan Brand: –and I guess that mold was circulating throughout the whole HVAC system they got a test on from the E– E as an Evan, M as in Mary, S as in Sam, L as in Larry. em–, they’re like the mold scientific laboratory. They got a test kit from them and the mold levels in their house were off the chart. And so they’re moving. Because they already had paid somebody to remediate and it didn’t work. So– they just decided to downsize anyway into a smaller house ’cause their house didn’t need the size than it was but now they’re moving, and so hopefully she gets better but man, this just goes to show you, no matter how perfect your supplement protocol is, if you got an environmental–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh huh…

Evan Brand: –issue, like molded home or other toxins in your home maybe bad paints or lead or whatever else, you can still be sick despite having a good supplement protocol and all the lab testing and all that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, hundred percent agree. The couple things that I do with my home is I got a couple of different air filters. I have uh– an advance air– air filter I have uhm— an Air Doctor one as well as a Molekule. So, I have three different air filters and they work really well, keeping the environment good, I mean, for a while, I just didn’t need to even have an air filter in my office and I’m like, “Wait a minute, I’m in this– couple hundred square foot room like most of my life, like let’s make sure the air quality is phenomenals“. That’s one thing I’ve done in the last handful of months to upgrade some of the air filters, get more of them and, that’s made a big difference, I mean I definitely feel like uhm— I’m breathing cleaner air, uhm— you know, you’d walk into– your office and you kinda’ feel like “Hah! I just kinda feels a little bit, you know, just not fresh, you know, not super fresh and that’s really improved which I– I do enjoy that. And then of course, uhm— the water filtration aspects’ great, I mean I have a whole house water filtration set up, as well as a, under the counter reverse osmosis set up with a– a post filter that adds minerals back. And those are the two big things, getting the air right, and getting the water filtration right. I like the whole house, ’cause it takes care of everything, and if I’m in like, you know, upstairs, like in– don’t have to buy shower filters for all the showers like and, just drink out of the water in my– in my bedroom at night if I need to. But I typically, you know, ninety percent’s gonna be consumed through my under the counter reverse osmosis, and it’s doubly filtered right through the whole house and then through the countertop.

Evan Brand: Yeah, your hair, your– skin, your nails, I mean you can see a lot of like, physical improvements too. People say, “Well why is it so important to filter the air?”. Well we hit on like the mold piece, VOCs are another thing, the Air Doctor that you and I both use, uh– that does filter out– VOCs which is great so if you did for some reason have like a toxic paint that’s off-gassing, you can’t filter some of that. Now I would say it’s best if you can go in and use like a mineral-based paint. The one I use is called Romabio— R-O-M-A-B-I-O, they’re out of Georgia–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ain’t that water-based though?

Evan Brand: oh, it’s potassium. It’s literally like ground-up potassium, and you mix it with water and then you paint it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it’s water-based

Evan Brand: I guess so, yeah ’cause you mix. It’s half and half.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Evan Brand: You take this bucket they give you, you add water, and then you put it on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean it’s tough ’cause you go water-based, it definitely doesn’t quite last as long.

Evan Brand: Ahh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The oil-based paints, they have a lot more VOCs but they get hard. They get really firm afterwards and it becomes more solid so its– you know, double-edged sword. We’re having some painting on this week so– guess what, we’ll be out of the house for the weekend, just we’re– goin’ on a family trip. So– when I’m gonna have my air filters crankin’ anyway and–

Evan Brand: What are you gonna, are you doing any– are you doin’ any special brand or what are you– what are you looking into for paint?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh I just use the standard Sherwin Williams uhm— because it– it works really well and it last long. Cause for me it’s like, there’s gonna be VOCs, but I’m just gonna run the air filtration and keep the windows open.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I’m not gonna be in the house so– that way when I’m back, I’m good to go.

Evan Brand: And I don’t know, it’s like cause that stuff’s gonna off-gas after it’s dry, or do you think that the off-gassing is not as much?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, it– it’s after 7 days, it’s– it’s done.

Evan Brand: Really?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I mean having the air filtrations gonna– you now, mitigate it. Cause that, the air filtration will mitigate all the VOCs.

Evan Brand: True. I just was more paranoid than you so I just got the mineral-based stuff. It’s still on the walls so far but if it– if it fails then I’m– I may switch over to something else.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well it depends like if you’re doing wall stuff, water-based paints’ fine. If you’re doing like cabinets, or things that are opening and closing, and getting wear and tear, that’s where you want like, an oil-based paint.

Evan Brand: Okay, we just did walls.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so for like a harder door that’s being opening and– opening and close or cabinets, uh– for your walls I think water-based is probably fine cause you’re not– you know, there’s not wear and tear on the walls.

Evan Brand: Okay, okay, good point. So– so let’s go back to the water piece, you know, I was mentioning like hair skin, nails, you know, we have a lo– a lot of compliments from people that– that do start to filter their water, they’re like “Man! I didn’t know my– my hair would get better”. So for example my wife and I with her skin. In the winter time, we used to put on lotion all the time. Now, I never have to put on lotion. My skin is so much more– I would say regulated I guess with– with– the– the filtered water that we bathe in so I had to recommend it if you don’t have it already if you don’t want to invest in a whole house filter. They’re really not that expensive, they’re, you know– with plumbing, paying a plumber included, maybe a thousand bucks for your whole house. And the one I have from the Pelican System, it last for 5 years before you have to change it so– that’s pretty awesome. But if you don’t wanna do that, you technically could just get the shower filters. Justin and I have talked about different brands, the Berkey one is what I like, the Berkey shower filter. And it reduces I think like 98% of the chlorine and some of the other chemicals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it, yeah, I mean I thi— I think those are gonna be, you know, very very important kind of things that you can do to help improve health. Now, I mean– with the air you mentioned we have the VOCs that we’re cuttin’ out, we’re also cutting out potential pet danders. Uh– wh– what else are we removing ___[07:20] the air filtration?

Evan Brand: Well, I think the Molekule – correct me if I’m wrong, cause you have one, I do not – is– I believe that thing kills viruses and bacteria too. I do remember reading something on their sales material about killing pathogen so, I mean, not that random people that are sick are coming into your house but if you’re concerned about living in– a place where– you’re– let’s just say you’re having people come in or out, or maybe you’ve got roommates or something, I’d like to have something that kills bacteria and viruses too, and I believe that system does. What about molds? Didn’t they say something about molds’ pores that it can kill too ’cause it’s like a Zepa instead of a Hepa filtration?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah it has this– electrical component to it that– that actually kills a lot of the viruses and a lot of the compounds and it has the– the post-filter afterwards. So it has this component there using light where it kills a lot of these compounds and then it goes to the post-filter. So I mean that’s this interesting new technology so, you know, I have all three of these different kinds of filters. So I’m experimenting and trying them out but, I think it’s something that’s noteworthy; I think a lot of people are using it; also it looks really nice. I like it. It just really– it’s like a nice piece of furniture that sits in the corner and it’s taller and skinnier so– it doesn’t take up a lot of room. A lot of these air filters that look so steril and medical–

Evan Brand: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –where it’s like “Oh, man! It’s just appalling seeing it in the corner of your living room”. Uhm–

Evan Brand: [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But this new– I like this one. And the other ones, we just hide iin the corners in our bedrooms but this looks really great and it does filter out the viruses. There’s this uhm– this– this– light kind of compound to it that really makes a– a big– a big difference. So I mean–

Evan Brand: [interrupts] Okay. So I– [crosstalk]. I wanna chat about testing a little bit you know, people are like okay, “Is my home toxic?”, “what can I do to test?”. Well the – that’s a mold laboratory – I think they also do water testing as well. So just check out and you can actually order test kits from there. They have facilities all across the U.S. and maybe internationally, I’m not too sure on that part, but you can do a mold test. I believe what you do is you collect a bunch of dust, like let’s say on your dresser. You just scoop some dust into this, and you send it off, and they’re gonna let you know what the contents of that are. So that’s the first step in terms of testing. The second step is to test your body. Uh– Justin and I use a test from Great Plains, it’s very good called a MycoTox Panel and you can actually test for Ochratoxin and– Stachybotrys and all sorts of other potential pathogens that could have come from food but could also come from environment. And then also, we ran a panel called the GPL-Tox which is a chemical profile test done via urine, and we looked for certain chemicals. One that I look for all the time is Perchlorate. And Perchlorate, is– it’s– crazy how many people in Florida have this chemical off the charts because of rocket fuel. When you use rocket fuel, I guess Perchlorate is an ingredient in rocket fuel. So people that live Cape– where Cape Canaveral is, where they’re lau– launching a– rockets and such, the people that I– I’ve worked with near Cape Canaveral, their Perchlorate levels are off the charts. And on the lab, it says, it disrupts the Thyroid’s ability to produce hormones; and– you and I were looking at some research earlier, the mechanism of this is it’s inhibiting the iodine uptake. So it’s almost acting like fluoride or bromide what it sounds like. Well maybe it’s blocking this receptor and then iodine can’t do its job so– uh– that’s– that’s huge and– and– where this Perchlorate come from, well if it’s not from rockets then it’s from fertilizers, it could be coming from bleach, but then it’s also in your tap water. The good news is, some of the filtrations we talked about can actually filter out Perchlorate. So literally, every single day if you’re drinking your tap water at your house and the fridge filter does not count, because the fridge filter does not filter Perchlorate–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.

Evan Brand: And you’re cooking, let’s say like you’re doing some steamed broccoli, you put that water in there, that water is now coated all over in your steamed broccoli– that’s Perchlorate, and you could be eating little small bites of Perchlorate every day and you wonder why your thyroid doesn’t get better when you take thyroid supplements. So this is the level of– specificity you have to have in the modern world and I don’t get paralyzed by it, I mean you and I focused so much on action steps that– some people are like, “Oh my God the world’s so scary and dangerous”, but it’s like, there’s an action step associated with this though.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, a hundred percent. So on the water side, you know, we just really wanna make sure at least and under the counter– slash countertop filter that– you know, that has a– a tank that can filter everything out really well. There’s a couple of cheaper options if we need as well. Of course, we can always go to a whole house which makes it even easier because in all rooms, and everywhere, and showers are taken care of as well. Uhm– there’s various air filters like I mentioned, the– the Molekule, they have– the– the Peugeot technology which is interesting. That’s the– the phyto-electrical– uhm— component one. That’s the newer technology that’s just come out in the last couple of years. So, with that, the Peugeot is the photoelectroche— electrical– electrochemical oxidation. And it– basically uses light to break some of these chemicals down. So it uses basically an oxide component and oxygen component. It creates C02 water trace elements as– as it reacts with the various virus or component and actually kills these things. So that’s kinda’ cool. And then we just have our basic Hepa Filter technology that just– is– you know, down to a 3-micron level that filters these components down, so we have that as well. Uhm–

Evan Brand: The reason it’s good that we also have the Air Doctor and we recommend you all get one too is because, that one filters down to .003 microns, so most Hepa systems especially something you wanna get at like Walmart or Target, filters down to 3 microns, but like car exhaust and diesel for example, a lot of these industrial pollutants, those are actually 2.5 microns in size, meaning that a 3 microns’ system won’t work. You’ve gotta go smaller, you’ve gotta get .003. So that’s the– that’s the specificity, you gotta pay attention to, cause if you go to Target and you get a Hepa filter for like a hundred bucks, yes it’s better than nothing but we want you to have no pollution, no car exhaust floating around in your bedroom.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yup, 100%. So, I mean, lookin’ at that, is there anything else you wanna talk about in the chemicals like the Perchlorate, I think it’s really powerful because that’s just the component like you mentioned with the rocket fuel that can kind of come in there and bind in and it– it– affect iodine, the uptake into the thyroid gland and iodine’s used to make thyroid hormone. Remember T-4, T stands for thyroxine, the 4 stands for the number of iodine molecules. And then you have this iodination process where all these iodine molecules are bound up. And then you have uhm— the enzymes, the ___ [13:40] uhm— comes in, pulls off an iodine and makes T-4 to T-3 which is your active thyroid hormone. So we need a healthy iodine but, you know, we also make– need to make sure that chemicals aren’t coming in and blocking the uptake. And a lot of uhm— a lot of toxins that are again aquarium based, they put stress on the liver, and when the liver’s stressed, that’s gonna deactivate the amount of these enzymes that are being produced cause these enzymes come from the liver and they help activate, take the T-4 and convert it to T-3. So if we have more liver stress, it’s gonna affect the conversion enzymes. It’s also going to affect the iodine uptake as well, so it’s couple of different mechanisms. We have the iodine uptake, and then we also have the conversion of the thyroid hormone.

Evan Brand: Yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention in terms of like home toxins, are like bug sprays. Lot of people talk about bugs whether it’s like ants, or roaches, or wasps, or bees. And a lot of these insecticides, these also are tested on the GPL-Tox. And I see most people add elevations in these toxic chemicals. So if you’re spraying for bugs, even if you’re not doing it, and you’re hiring a “bug man” to come and spray. I had one client– she was off the chart with the Permethrin category of uh– toxins, and she said, “Yeah, I’m scared of spiders every time I see one I call the ‘bug man’ and have him come just bomb my house.” And I was like, “Oh my Lord…”. So– there is a uh– a company, I th— I don’t know if it’s the brand name or the product name called Orange Guard that we have used with great success, it’s like an orange peel extract and we had a–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep.

Evan Brand: –we had an ant problem at our old rental house and so I just sprayed the perimeter of the house with an Orange Guard, it smelled delicious like oranges and it got rid of the ants in like two days and there was no toxins in walls.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah in my property here we use the company called “Chem-Free” and they came out and they use some essential oil blends and, a lot of times like for the bees, they would use like a peppermint oil type of blend, and they use that for like the cockroaches as well, and they would spray. That one’s good. I mean, I like it, because a lot of these components, they aren’t super toxic, or they aren’t gonna be as toxic on the essential oil side, and– you can– and they worked. They actually knocked some of these uh– insects and roaches down which is great so you can still have– you can still have y– you know, the effectiveness of knocking some of these animals out but not creating the toxic environment as well.

Evan Brand: There’s another company that you can look up, you can even get them on Amazon. They first were revealed on Shark Tank it looks like, but it’s called the Wondercide. And Wondercide they had like natural pet care products but then they have home pest protection stuff too. So they do have like uh– a p– a peppermint insect repellent. And they have like an indoor pest control, and then they have an outdoor one which is what I use for all the ticks, because the ticks are really bad in Kentucky; and it’s a cedar oil. So you hook it up to your water hose, and you just spray it, and it makes your whole place smell like cedar, which if you like that smell, good. And– we did see reduction in ticks for sure. It didn’t cure it, like it’s not gonna magically eliminate bugs but it sure repelled them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally, yup. I think that’s great. [crosstalk]

Evan Brand: So Wondercide– Wondercide, if people wanna look it up they have like organic soaps and stuff like that too but mainly I’m talking about for their home protection.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. You know, what other compounds are we worried about people getting exposed to that could be an issue. And of course we have the pesticides from our food, uhm— we have ate with the chlorine based water. Not just the chlorine but the chloramines that may form as well. So that’s one of the nice things that filtering out a lot of the chlorine is the chloramine compounds also get reduced. We have the reduction in fluoride. Remember, fluoride can have an effect of blocking out that thyroid receptor side as well because it is a halide. It’s in that 7th row on the periodic table of elements and that could be a problem. And remember, the fluoride in your water isn’t just fluoride, it’s Hydrofluorosilicic Acid so there are other nasty components that are in there. It’s not just like oh– uh– sodium fluoride, it’s other stuff that’s uhm— in there as well. So if you go look at it in your water filtracing— water filtration center, you’ll see it’s got this number, I think number 4 on there which by the CDC it’s– means it’s pretty darn toxic.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And again I would say they dilute it down to a certain amount part per million but still uh– not good if you’ll look at the amount of part per million in– two phase, right. You’ll look at the pinky side of it, read the back of it, it says, “do not swallow”. It’s– it’s got a poison control label on the back of it. So I– I’m very careful on fluoride. Just go to PubMed, you’re gonna see a lot of studies on fluoride decreasing IQ poi– I– your IQ by 10 points. Uhm– studies up in Great Britain, study that came out about 2 years ago, looked at fluoridated communities and non-fluoridated communities and drew correlation of more thyroid diagnosis or diseases, diagnoses, in communities that have more fluoride consumption. And we know the mechanism potentially could be that these fluorides, the halides that’s then blocks out the iodine and we need iodine for this iodination process to make thyroid hormone, right?

Evan Brand: Yup. And the– the other chemical I forgot to mention so far, lot of it is being banned and removed but it’s Triclosan or Triclosan, and that comes from a lot of your conventional soap, it’s an antibacterial. There’s studies on that showing that it does reduce your uh– T-4 level. So it does reduce thyroid hormone levels. If you’re washing your hands 5 times a day, let’s say you’re a nurse or something in a hospital setting, you’re using this conventional toxic soap, that’s not good. That means it’s no surprise that a lot of people in the healthcare field themselves have issues, I mean, some of it could be the toxic soap they’re using 20 times a day. And then all the skin care stuff that’s in the– that’s an easy one we test for all those chemicals. Nail polish, on that chemical profile test, they look for nail polish, they look for resins, they look for hair dyes, lot of women dye their hair, and then cosmetics so– gotta make sure all that stuff’s clean. If your shampoo or conditioner has like artificial fragrances in it, we know those fragrances can hide Phthalates and all sorts of other endocrine disrupting hormones.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%, absolutely. So the air stuff we talked about, the VOCs, right, the vo– volatile organic co– compounds, right. Uh– we just talked about, you know, a lot of the pet stuff, the allergenic stuff, the mold stuff a lot of these good– the better filter can filter out some of the mold, of course we have to figure out where that molds coming from, so you may wanna do an ERMI Test, to see if there’s any mold in the house, or if you can visualize or see it, it’d be good to have that remediated by an expert– typically use some concrobium on it afterwards to help, but you really wanna get someone that can remediate it, it–  if it’s an issue. Uhm– so that’s on– another component there. Anything else on the air side, the air allergen side Evan?

Evan Brand: Well I was just gonna– I was telling you before we got on air here. I brought– maybe you should look into this. It’s really this fun, you don’t need it but it’s fun. The uh– IQAir system, they have a portable air quality monitor system and I can test the levels instantly of the CO2 level in the house as well as the pollution level. It’s looking for the 2.5 micron molecules so I guess in the city or to be– pretty helpful but where I live, you know, there’s not much around to– to pollute the air. But what I’ve noticed is, in the morning, you know, you’re breathing all night, so you’re exhaling a lot of CO2, and we know that CO2, once you hit like a thousand parts per million I believe, the– headaches, fatigue, can start to happen, and my C02 levels in the home typically in the morning are about 1500. And if we just open the windows up, for 10, 15 minutes, we can get the CO2 levels down by like a thousand points. So we go for like the red category to the green category in this meter. So I mean, that’s free, first of all to open your window. Now if you live like in India, and your air is so toxic, you probably don’t wanna open the windows. But if it’s a decent air outside, and– you could open the windows, that alone, is something that could significantly change how you’re feeling.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. Yeah I– hundred percent agree. Uhm– anything else with the water component. Of course, we talked about all the different compounds in there, now the big things that I use, one of the good ones that I like is the Air Doctor, that’s a good one. If you go to my site, I have the Air Doctor as well as the advance air setup those are both good units. If you go to and click on Justin Health approved products, I have some links to those, and again, Evan and I only gonna recommend products that we actually use. I think it’s important that you actually use the product and you believed in it, I think it’s great. Uhm– it’s nice to have people that are guinea pigs that can kind of sign off on it as being a good product which is great, so if you wanna purchase that, you can do that, you can get more information there. Uhm– the other component is the Molekule, is a nice one. It’s a little bit more expensive. So the other two, the Advanced Air and the Air Doctor, are about half the price, that’s a good first step if you’re tryin’ to get your foot into the– into this area of cleaning out air quality and improving it. If you wanna go a little bit more whole hog then the Molekule’s a– uh– a better option uh– on top of that, looks a little nicer as well. So those are my top three. Now there are some whole house systems but you gotta look at the fact that, you know, I like the fact that I can bring my unit with me if I were to travel, if you– if you’re moving, those kind of things and maybe a little bit more difficult to– pull it out, install it so you have to look at you know, are you gonna be in a long term. And also it’s nice to be able to bring it and put it right in your room and be able to have control over it.

Evan Brand: Yup, well said, and a– the whole house system is I mean, they do exist on the market but I do not heard too many good things about ’em. I know they can work but I think it’s better off to just have a purifier in your room because it does. In this, maybe this is just like theory or marketing talk but in theory, the– HVAC system has to work harder because when you’ve got a– a whole house air filtration system sitting on top of your– what do you call that, your– What’s the name of that Justin like where the fan is connected to your HVAC system?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: A blower, where it’s connected to the blower? You have to–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: –that blower has to blow harder through all the multi-layers of the filter. So it makes that system work harder and make shorter the life of it. [crosstalk]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah and you also– yeah and you also have these vents and things. There’s a lot of– there’s a large distance between where the air is coming from and getting cleaned out, and then through all of the vents to where it gets to your room. It’s just nice having it purified right at the spot where you’re at, so it doesn’t have to really travel more than a few feet to get to you.

Evan Brand: Right. Yeah, so, that’s what I would do. And I have test– that’s cool thing. I’ve tested Air Doctor and all the other systems to discuss with a portable monitor. The lower the number the better. The number coming out of the Air Doctor it’s a zero. So, I know that it’s legit, pure air coming out of it which is great. [crosstalk]. Yeah you gotta check it out man. It’s uh– if you just type in IQ Air, and you type in– it’s called Air Visual Pro, I’ll put the link up in the Hang Out for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh great!

Evan Brand: I’ll send it to you. I don’t think the– the– the listeners will be able to see this link but I’ll send it to you. But it’s called Air Visual Pro, and– you know, I’ve got a practitioner account with them so you do get a slight discount as a practitioner. And uh– and that’s what I have and it’s just a little small thing, and it’s like, you know, smaller than a computer but it runs on batteries and I just– I just– I’m ___ [24:15] with it man. I’ll take it to the restaurant and say, “Hey what’s the air quality in your…”, take to my friends’ house and say, “Hey, what’s the air quality in your house?”. It’s just fun.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, that’s really cool! Oh wow. Amazing. I wonder what the– what 2008 Olympics, was it 2010 in China? What they had in Beijing?

Evan Brand: Oh gosh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I heard the air quality was just absolutely terrible. I– I just see on the IQA website it has one looking at– at Beijing, versus the one looking at the office in the Beijing has the ratings that are to the roof meaning mo– more toxicity.

Evan Brand: Yeah the cool thing is there’s an app with that uh– device as well so you can check your air quality and see how it compares to like other cities. It’ll show you what’s the tiniest air, what’s the most toxic air, and– and people they can, if you want, you can have that thing hooked up to Wi-Fi which I didn’t but, that way you can upload your data and people can see it around the map, “Hey, here’s this guy in– wherever, and here’s his air quality”. So it’s pretty neat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Anything else you want to address here so far Evan? What do you think? Anything missing?

Evan Brand: I– I think– I mean– we’ll always do a part 2, part 3, you can never stop talking about toxins but I think we’ve covered a lot today. Clean up cosmetics, look at yourselves, look at your shampoo and conditioner, don’t dye your hair– Now there is an organic hair dye but I don’t know anything about it. I know it exists, so seek out like organic salons, don’t get your nails done like, “that’s bad”, like maybe go to an organic salon. I measured a nail polish resin every single week in clients, the women who get their nails done every week on the GPL Tox, their certain chemical is off the chart. And it just– it causes headaches, nervous system issues, thyroid issues, so– I don’t– I’m– I’m a guy so I don’t get my nails done so maybe for women, they’re like, “Oh my God, I have to have them done”. Maybe there’s a better way to do it I just don’t know of any.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Evan Brand: But– but look at it, get the GPL To– if– if you have– if you’re a woman listening, and you don’t believe me, run a GPL-Tox, look at your toxic load, and then maybe you’ll believe me. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or it’s this you know, do your best to find a higher quality organic salon that has some products that are gonna be less toxic. And, or– if you need to, just– take some extra antioxidants and or glutathione before you go or at least support those path while you still spread it out. A lot of those toxins are gonna be more water soluble, so it– it’s not something that you’re gonna like hold on too as much, so if you take good detoxification support you’ll secrete it pretty fast. And you just try to find you know, I know like some of the salons my wife would go to there’s like a small little upgrade where they can– choose an organic product that’s less uh– toxic low. So that’s a good option–

Evan Brand: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –if you– have that.

Evan Brand: Yup, and a– I interviewed doctor Shaw, the guy who invented that toxic lab, if you wanna hear more about detox, just look at fandbrandwilliamshaw, S-H-A-W, calls and that interview, because we chatted all about mitigation strategies, and then also more about like you said glutathione, NAC, uh– precursors for detox, amino acids to help detox, sweatings, saunas, so that’s a good one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And also one of the things that shaw said from that interview if I remember correctly, you tell me if I’m wrong, he said something like one of the best things you can do to e– to enhance detoxification is to to sweat more.

Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s a– that’s a– it was a number one thing. He personally did not use a sauna, all he did was he– likes to go for runs and ride his bike outside and sweat. And he keeps his chemical levels tested and they’re always relatively low. He said, he did not see more of a benefit unless someone was too sick to exercise. To exercise and sweat, versus sauna and sweating. He said the whole near infrared, far infrared, the whole– debate about it all, he said sweating is the key, it didn’t matter how you achieved it in his words.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s interesting too because remember, Shaw also– didn’t really eat organic either.

Evan Brand: You know, that guy he– he taught at restaurants every single day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so there was a differen— I mean, I find that with a lot of my– my PhD researcher friends, there’s kind of a disconnect uh– with what they’re studying and applying it in their real life. It’s kind of this weird thing. I f–

Evan Brand: I agree.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –I forget uhm— I think it was Alessio Fasano? He used to be a gluten researcher over at Harvard, he’s got a lot of uhm— you know research on gluten and how it increases ___ [28:07] which can create leaky gut. Yeah I’ve seen– I’ve heard people that have gone out to dinner with them and they’ll order a big freakin’ ball of pasta, and eat it right in front of you. You’re like the premier glutton researcher and you’re talking about how gluten creates you know, gastrointestinal permeability a.k.a leaky gut, and you’re sitting there eating a bunch of gluten?

Evan Brand: Tell me about it, that’s a [crosstalk]–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You know, here’s the deal, like if I’m gonna cheat, right, I get it, like I may cheat sometime, I always try to just do to a gluten-free cheat, and I’m sure it hel— aren’t gonna cheat in front of people that are health-oriented or patients, I wanna be a good example. If I’m gonna cheat, it’s gonna be like, you know, no one’s gonna be seeing me, so to speak right?

Evan Brand: [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So the fact that you’re– you’re doin’ it openly in front of people means that you’re probably doin’ it a lot more frequently…

Evan Brand: Right. I know. Well doctor Shaw, I was blown away by that, I said, “So you eat out everyday?”, he said, “Yeah, I don’t pack my lunch”. And I thought, “Man, so you’re getting glyphosphate exposure everyday”, and we know parts per billion is enough to damage gut bacteria and affect mitochondria. I mean, that just means bold to me so, I don’t know man, I guess they always say once you uh– there’s– there’s a saying about this I– I don’t know the exact saying but something along the lines…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That you don’t want to bless or something? [laughs] or–

Evan Brand: well, well, no, he used to say–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: He knows. He’s not– he’s not– he’s not ignorant but I guess, there– there is uhm— what is it, there– there— there’s knowledge is power, but– but true knowledge is applied, uh– no, uh– knowledge is power only if acted upon it, only if applied. So you could know all these stuff but you gotta truly apply it to get the benefit right.

Evan Brand: We– well the saying, I was thinking of was something along the lines of like your hero, like a lot of times people have like a hero, or an idol like, “Oh I really look up to this person”, and then they figured out how they truly are, and they’re not what they think they are. There was a movie about that, I don’t remem— oh, w– wait– it was uh– it was that– it was called “The Fault in Our Stars”, it was a book, it was a movie about the girl who had cancer and she loved its author, and this author, she was just obsessed with him and she goes to meet him and he’s like a miserable alcoholic drunk.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: Did you see that movie?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I– I saw that movie, that’s a good one and the I think– yeah, I won’t give the spoiler but that was a good movie, yes.

Evan Brand: Yeah, so– so– yeah, so– maybe your— your idol may not have as dialed in as even you do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. Let me just add one la– last thing, so, the–

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –the key things that we’re lookin’ at on the– on the water side, of course, are gonna be– fluoride, chlorine, uh– pharmaceutical drugs, whether it’s birth control pills or statins or antidepressants, people flush things down and it’s hard to get those filtered out.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh– we’ve mentioned the chloramines,

Evan Brand: Hard drugs–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And–

Evan Brand: There’s hard drugs in there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hard drugs, potentially heavy metals, mercury, lead, parasitic cyst and or infections debris, so those are gonna be the big things on the water side, and on the air side we have the asbestos, right? That’s can create the– the Mesothelioma cancer, we have– various dust mites, uh– pollens, fungus, bacteria, viruses, we have the phemaldehyde, right?

Evan Brand: Poten– [crosstalk]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, we have the uh– the PBDE– the– what is it, the–

Evan Brand: It’s a PDB–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Pyrrhotites.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, PDBEs, yeah. uhm— the wha— what does it stand for? Help me out, uh it’s– it’s a– it’s a bromidated compound. Polybrominated diphenyl ethers. [crosstalk]

Evan Brand: So that could be– in your couch cushion, that could be in your the– your office chair, that could be in your children’s pajamas unfortunately, which is ridiculous,

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. They put a lot in the– the kids’ mattresses, so we spend extra money to buy an organic wall mattress that didn’t have the flame retardants…

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we also spend extra money to not get the flame retardants in– our babies’ uhm— not stroller, what are they call, not the– what’s the terminology the–

Evan Brand: The car seat?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A, the– the carrier– the carrier. So there was one brand I think it was uhm— I think it was Uppababy, I think it was the Henry, it was the only one on the market last year we bought and it did not the PBDEs the flame retardants so we did the Henry one, we did an organic mattress that didn’t have any flame retardants. And of course we have– we have uh– a fire alarm in my son’s room so if there’s an issue, we’re gonna know. We don’t need a– heaven breathing toxic chemicals for such a– a low-risk issue.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Then we have the leads, especially if you have houses before 1978– 1978, lead could be used in that. We have various pesticides esp– especially spread out on the lawn, or if you live on the golf course there could be a potential pesticides going in that way. We use various uhm— phthalates which could be from vinyl flooring, it could be from shower curtains, it could be from detergents it could be from the PVCs in your piping, it could be–

Evan Brand: Oh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –from the food packaging.

Evan Brand: Here’s a– here’s a PSA man, this is the biggest announcement ever, please, everywhere I go in society, I smell people’s terrible laundry. You go in line in the grocery and you stand behind somebody in their flower-fragrance on their laundry. It didn’t used to be like that back back in the day, I don’t remember smelling people’s laundry.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Dryer sheets man. People use, like a– we have the most hypoallergenic uhm— cleanliness detergent, I mean we have one I think, we upgraded, we’re using seventh generation like un-scented but we upgraded one more beyond that. If you go to we searched the number one brand on there, just zero smell. People are using one, they’re using– laundry detergents that’s got a whole bunch of crap in, but then they also use a dryer sheet on top of it. And it is like–

Evan Brand: So that’s what it is…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s the dryer sheets.

Evan Brand: Oh my.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s totally disgusting, I mean, oh my gosh, it just gives me headache.

Evan Brand: I get yeah– I get an immediate headache and part of me thinks well, does that mean I have a leaky brain, or does that mean that I’m just sensitive to it because it’s a toxic chemical. I feel like everyone should get a headache from it because it’s toxic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well for me it just smells nasty. It’s just so overpowering– it’s so overpoweringly– str– overpoweringly strong. It’s like people that need to– consume very high sugar foods. Like for me, my taste buds get overwhelmed, right?

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it’s kinda like that I mean, I think you just– you get a little bit uhm— you know, the less alcohol you drink, a beer kinda gives you a little bit buzz, it’s kinda like that, the more you gotta exposed to it. I imagined that probably it wouldn’t be an issue.

Evan Brand: So here’s my– here’s my– here’s my couple announcements–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Sure.

Evan Brand: –and then I know we gotta–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Sure.

Evan Brand: –we gotta wrap up. Switch over to free and clear, unscented laundry detergent, even whole food cells, their own brand of organic laundry detergent it’s all plant-based and packed in so I they help the grease and all that crap. How do you close– Go fragrance-free, and then, do a fragrance-free or free and clear dryer sheet if you absolutely have to have it. We personally use the wall balls on our dryer, and that works as a replacement of dryer sheets and you never have to buy dryer sheets, the wall balls work perfectly. And then number 2 thing is– the perfume. So there’s a chemically can test for called xylene, that’s the parent chemical on the toxin report. So many people wear perfume, especially like I go to the park and you’ve got these women in their work out clothes, and they run past you, and then 2 seconds later comes the breeze with them of their perfume. It’s like good Lord, let’s go to nature, to just pollute it with– with pot– so many different potential toxins from the laundry, to the perfume. So please, please please, nobody wants to smell that crap, and you’re making yourself toxic, I measure it everyday so from a clinician perspective, I’ve got proof– what these perfumes are doing to you and nobody else wants to smell that crap either.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, for me, the deodorant that I use actually has a really nice scent. Uhm– I use a brand called native COS– native COS and they have a coconut vanilla uhm— it’s actually a women’s uhm— deodorant but it’s smells great, I mean it doesn’t smell overly feminine at all, it smells very neutral.

Evan Brand: It’s real though.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s real, so like for me, the deodorant that I use, I– I can smell it from the outside so it has the slight kind of uhm— you know, nice coconut vanilla smell, but it’s totally natural essential oil based, so– for me that’s where I get my scent from a native of couple brands. I– I put another ordering last night for a nice little uhm— rosewood, sandalwood blends. Sandalwoods are great essential oil for– for a guy. If you wanna have like a nice little– kind of slight masculine, kind of musc smell to you, sandalwoods’ great for a guy. My wife would use some lavender every now and then, and that’s a great– great kind of lil— a little bit more of a feminine undertone. So if you want a– a slight kind of smell to yourself, a good essential oil that’s non-toxic can be great.

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah. I’m not against scents completely. But if you have to smell, if you just wanna walk around smellin’–[crosstalk]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow, and you know, sometimes, less is more, right?

Evan Brand: Absolutely, so yeah, look at those natural ones, the native, I do have some of the native too. They sent me some some stuff there, I want to respond to the podcast, and then– I– never heard anything back, so I may have to reach out, say “Hey, free deodorants for all listeners!”, that’d be cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah I’m sensitive like I will react like my armpit will get super red, and their coconut is excellent. There’s citris herbal musk, I didn’t react a little bit too but I can use it for like 3 or 4 days in a row and then take a week off and I’m fine; it’s just like…

Evan Brand: Good you said that cause my wife had the same thing happen with the citris one and the lavender.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: She can only do it three days and then her armpit goes super red and inflamed she has to do with unscented only.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, unscented, try the coconut, vanilla too. That’s worked great for me. And they have uhm— they have a rosewood or sandalwood that just came out and they have one other– I think eucalyptus– mint one that’s out as well. So I ordered like 3 or 4 flavors last night, and the coconut vanilla is excellent.

Evan Brand: [laughs] Is that flavors? You could– you could it eat, you could–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, you can– it– I mean, it’s clean, you know. And again for me it’s like, “You know, I’m– I’m busy, I’m working, I’m sweating– I wa— I also want protection as well. And let’s face this, a lot of these natural, you know, deodorants, they don’t really provide much protection at all and–

Evan Brand: The native– the native works man.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good, I mean, at the end of the day, I’m like, “Yeah that smells great!”.

Evan Brand: The listeners didn’t hear that but he sniffed at himself. That one– that one in the Primal Pit Paste was the other one for me that worked pretty good but is a little harder to put on so the native is the best in terms of like, I’ll rate that number 1 for now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And like, the– the Primal Pit Paste is got a little bit more of a sticky coating to it, where like the native is like a very dry coating, so if you like, put your shirt on whatever, you don’t feel like it’s stuck up in your armpit there so that’s kind of a nice thing about that.

Evan Brand: Yup, we went longer than we were supposed to but we just– we started thinking of all these other tangential toxins that people need to be aware of so I hope it’s been helpful, uh– if you wanna reach out to Justin you can, his website is justinhealth— so, you could reach out and schedule a consult with him, and he’s also got another doc on staff, so if his availability is crazy you can get with him. And then for me, my website is, you can reach out there. And– either way, whether it’s us or whether it’s somebody else that knows what they’re talking about we just hope that you get the help that you’re looking for and that you can achieve the next level of health as soon as possible.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Let me just hit the last three things.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right on to another big one which is a– you know, it’s a– element in the soil and that can come up at– you know, for its– its– it’s actually in the rock, you know, in the foundation of where your house would be deep underground. And when you’re there it can come up to the house and that’s linked with potential lung cancer at levels I think greater than 4 ppm as what the CDC wants to blow. Uhm– we tested our house at one point, it was 8, so we have uh– we got a right on kit in there to help filter that out. We haven’t– down below .5 so radons and ___ [38:47] especially, you know in the midwest, in south that can be a potential problems so if you haven’t got it tested you can buy a radon meter on Amazon or you can pay someone I think for 75 bucks that come out and have your house tested, that’s important.

Evan Brand: Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Of co– of course just like respiratory particles such as, you know, wood stew, fireplace, kerosene pipes, cigarettes, those kind of things, cigar smoke. And then we mentioned the volatile organic compounds. These are gonna come from paints, paint strippers, woods, aerosols, air fresheners, auto products, dry cleaning, clothing, household products, those are the big ones so. A good uhm— air filter will help with a majority those and of course a good water filter will help at the components we mentioned. And again, for me,, water are the ones that I personally use in my house.

Evan Brand: Yeah, you mentioned that a– the air freshener so I forgot about that. I’ll tell you, uh– one little thing I do, this is a secret, I’ve never revealed this, but now the secret’s’ out of the bag. If I go to a place- a public place and there’s a plug-in air freshener, I pull that thing out and throw it in the garbage before I leave. So if I go in the– if I go in the bathroom, and there’s a plug-in or you walk in and then– [sneezes], and you get sprayed with fake chemicals as soon as you walk in to go pee, I just pull the thing out the wall and throw it in the garbage.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%.

Evan Brand: That’s my little public uh– that’s my little public duty. I’m helping all of you guys have les fragrance in your bodies.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well you were doin’ that uhm— survey last year where you tryin’ a– a petition where you’re tryin’ to get the uber drivers to pull the– the scented things out of the car, right?

Evan Brand: Yeah, I got over 2000 signatures on it and there was someone else kind of uh– I don’t know if it was food [crosstalk] benlycnh who shared it or something– somebody shared it and then they got thousands more signatures but I’ve still heard no updates on it but uh– luckily it’s very rare for me to have to take an uber or taxi but this problem happens every day where me– even they’ve asked preposted about how he talked in uber and the guy had like seven little Christmas tree fragrance–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awful.

Evan Brand: They have like– he had a headache, he was dizzy, and etc. after he got out of his uber so, this is a real problem and I hope one day that we can educate people and just do natural fragrance or no fragrance at all.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, uh– the good– the essential oil, there’s gotta be some essential oil like, you know, the–

Evan Brand: The citrus one. They have a citrus– there’s a citrus like odor-absorber that would work perfect to people can put under the car seat–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, yes.

Evan Brand: No one would know it’s there and it would take care of all the toxic–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It would stop a lot of the odor. That’s to– totally make sense Evan.

Evan Brand: Yup. But that’s all I gotta say so check out the links and then you can check out for consults or We love helping you guys. We really appreciate the good feedback, so feel free to write us a review on the podcast on iTunes because it does help us.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great, and we’ll put the links below on some of the products that we like and use personally so you guys know it’s already betted. Give us a thumbs up, give us a share, give us a shout out, give us a comment down below; we appreciate you guys engaging; sharing is caring, thanks for everything. Evan, you have a phenomenal day, we’ll talk soon.

Evan Brand: Take care man, bye.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Bye.


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