Dr. Eric Zielinski – Essential oils for your health- Podcast #134

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Dr. Eric Zielinski engage in a stimulating and inspiring discussion about essential oils. Gain useful information in choosing the right essential oil for you as Dr. Eric shares his experiences and research studies background supporting the use of essential oil. Learn more about essential oils and its different uses in health issues faced by adults and kids.

Pick up on some knowledge bombs about essential oils and its effect on cancer, benefits in women, and use in vaping.  Acquire very useful information on different oil blends and how they can be beneficial to your health. Be taught on how and where to apply essential oil therapeutically on your body.


In this episode, we cover:

12:24   Dr. Eric’s top 3 essential oils recommendation

19:47   Frankincense and its anti-cancer effects

24:41   Tips on choosing essential oils in the market

30:40   Ways to apply essential oils

35:33   Essential oils for issues with kids

39:58   Vaping and essential oils







Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live here this is Dr. J with Beyond Wellness Radio. We got Dr. Eric Z in the house.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Hello

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How are we doing, Eric?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I’m blessed, man. So happy to be here. Thanks for having me here, brother.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. Well, I’m really excited for—to have you on and we’re gonna answer live questions at the end of the podcast, too. So we’ll be able to hit those up as well. We didn’t answer this so— we didn’t promote this ahead of time, so we’re on-the-fly doing uh— ad lib, functional medicine essential oil healthier as we speak.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And I wanna welcome everyone on my crew because I just put it up on the Dr. Eric Z and the essential oil revolution Facebook page. Pokes, tune in, leave us some comment and say hello and follow my good friend, Justin because he is the man. He knows exactly what is talking about. He helps a lot of people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, thank you so much. Now before we start, what did you have for breakfast? I’ll tell you what I had first, I had some coffee, some collagen, uh—some butter coffee MCT and I got my wife put about a pound of green vegetables in here juice.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Haha—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we threw about two scoops of collagen in there and some MCT as well. So I am ready to go man. How about you?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That’s awesome. You know, I typically don’t have food breakfast. This is my breakfast. This is my version. It’s my Matcha green tea latte.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I take the bulletproof coffee approach. I put some coconut oil in it, my Matcha green tea, raw cacao and Stevia. Man, that’s my latte. Gives me all the energy keeps me a little bit low-state ketosis till I get really hungry around lunchtime. And I rarely ever hungry during for— for breakfast, you know. I’d usually like to give my body 15-18 hours between meals if I can, you know. So that’s what we do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it, man. Very cool. I was actually watching the uh— Truth about vaccine series.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —with my wife. And I’m sitting there watching, “I know that guy!”

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Hahaha—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We we’re on the truth about uh—vaccines dropping some serious knowledge bombs. Uh—how was that experience’s like for you?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s an honor. Always an honor and a privilege to be doing anything with Ty Bollinger. I mean these— I’m just a big fan. He’s a friend, love his mission, love what they’re doing and I gotta tell you, this is— this is about misinformation and this is about helping people. And I— and I know what it’s like folks. I know what it’s like to be sick. I know what it is like to be a victim. And I called it victim very carefully. __it’s like to be victimized by misinformation. My mother was misled. She didn’t breast-feed me. My mother and father were mis—My mother and father misled. I was raised on antibiotics. I had my adenoids and tonsils taken out when I was a kid. I got on Accutane, the suicide drug, because I develop acne when I was a teenager. And one thing after another, living on the standard American diet, I had so many health problems.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Chronic gut conditions. And I realized, you know, my mom and dad did the best they could like most people in America and around the world will do. And we’re just misled. And so it’s such an honor and privilege to be sharing truth and to be sharing evidence and keep things into perspective. And that is the take-home message for folks, the bottom line, everyone needs, needs to watch the truth about vaccines. We are actually having a replay weekend—this weekend. For nothing less, than you can become a more informed healthcare patient.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. So good.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: We need to be informed. Just don’t do what the doctor says, just because the doctor says it. We should be allowed a dialogue with our healthcare providers. So I can go on and on about that, man, but it’s about true empowerment to be educated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Now you have a really unique background—very colorful background. Coz you are in chiropractic school, but you are also really— really big on the research and public health. I know you’re kinda on the PhD course. You kinda had a full ride all set up there. And then you kinda took a detour down this essential oil path.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Which is really cool, which we’ll talk about more. Talk to me about your background a little bit and how did you get to this point right now?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s a wild story, man. You know the Bible says, “A man’s mind plans his ways, but the Lord directs his steps.” And that has been my journey, man, the whole way through I— I quit a perfectly good cushy, corporate job and my wife and I followed up to the dream of becoming a chiropractor and open up a healthcare Center. And I got to tell you, I love people. I’m a people person and it’s been the hardest thing for me to look behind this computer for a living. And you know, what I was in school, I’m a writer. I’ve always been a researcher at heart. When I was in school, I took an opportunity, got a scholarship to write a first case study, got published in the peer-reviewed journal and it— the door opened up where, you know, you can have a couple different tracks. You can become a clinician, you can become an administrator, you could be a researcher, and I chose the research track.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And I was in school, just traveling the country in the world teaching continuing education to doctors because in my research, it was wild. And so when I graduated just a couple years ago now, when I graduated, I was like, “Wow! I love this vein. I love helping people and I was a research writer at the time. That’s how I provided for myself.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: A medical writer. And one of my clients commissioned me to write a series of public health reports about oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And that’s what got me. I was floored. And, you know me too, I am a man of faith but I gotta be able to understand things, right? And so when it came to essential oils, when I started looking at the evidence, and started diving in a little, literally hundreds and hundreds of research studies, I was like, “There’s something to this stuff.” And that’s where it all really was birth. And I launched an essential oil summit with my— my buddy Josh Axe, my good friend, Jill Winger. A 165,000 people attended that almost 2 years to the date and that just opened it up. Yeah, man. It opened it up to a world where I realize, Justin, uhm— we need to learn how to use these precious plant compounds safely and effectively, not just use them willy-nilly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Unreal. Very, very cool. Love it, love it, love it. So talk to me about— it’s really interesting coz your background— like you come up like a very like extroverted kinda guy. I’m really shocked that you were going down that research— the research route based on kinda your— your skill set. So it’s kinda unique that you were going that direction, in the first place.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know why? I gotta tell you. I was moved. Uhm— for those people who don’t know much about chiropractic care, you need to find a good chiropractor who knows what they’re doing coz it can be life-changing. Justin, I wrote— I wrote a case study about this girl who was on—who was autistic and nothing would help her. She was actually adopted. Uhm— her mother was actually crack mother and this baby was born premature.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And she was adopted by a loved one uh— I believe it was an aunt or cousin, she was adopted. And this girl had a lot of physical problems, emotional social, problems. They went through occupational therapist, they went through social workers, the medical doctor known could help this girl and they just decided to try chiropractic care. And this chiropractor, yeah, besides getting her on a little bit of omega-3’s, but this girl was very young. She just slowly starting incorporating chiropractic care into this girl’s life and I kid you not, this— this paper was so dramatic I documented case by case, day by day, what happened to her because this doctor did a great job. Dr. Stacy B__ If any of you are in my—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: South Dakota, by the way, I gotta give her a plug. She documented this so well, this girl’s life dramatically change like she wouldn’t— like we’re talking autistic to the point where not even looking at her mom and dad and not saying I love you at three years old. She just didn’t have the capacity like she was so—you know, things were not working. And so, slowly— slowly this girl started to become “normal and fully functioning” and I wrote up this case study. And these stories I’ve seen and I wrote up a case study of another condition, another condition, and I’ll never forget, Justin, I’ll never forget the power of—of research. When I was presenting this at Sherman College of Chiropractic, I was presenting uh—a course on how to write case studies, a lady came up to me. And this lady is a middle-age woman uhm— which is kinda odd for someone to go to school on that age that late in life. So she came up to me in her mid-40s and she goes, “Dr. Eric, uhm— your— your paper change my life.” I’m like, “What?” She goes, “My daughter had autism and my medical doctor read your paper and gave it to me and said you need to try chiropractic. It gave my daughters life back. And my other daughter who’s a teenager, she had dysmenorrhea and that’s all fixed up. And me, I’m changing my life, I’m gonna be chiropractor. It changed my life.” I’m like, “Wow! The power of research.” So I started thinking myself, “Yeah.” You know I just really felt led by God to do this because, you know, Justin, last month 265,000 people went to my website. I can’t reach that many people in the clinic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so I— I felt, you know, as much as I love being with people this is what I get. You know, you and I are— people right now. And this is my people time but, you know, as much as I am— I— I feel called to really help the masses.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. Very cool. And we get some people in the background watching this live, so if you guys have any questions pertaining to Eric or essential oils, feel free and drop in the live chat and at the end, we’ll have Eric answer those questions. Very Cool.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Man, tell us where you’re from. I’m in Atlanta. Hello, got a beautiful day. Justin, where are you right now?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Austin, Texas, baby. Beautiful afternoon.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Oh! Very cool, very cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got an Oak tree in the backyard. I love it, man. Very cool. So how did you make this journey from chiropractic to the researcher, now into essential oils? Coz you’re one of the biggest essential oil websites and resources on the Internet and you— you’re really unbiased, too, which is interesting. You don’t have your oil line or anything. So you really kinda know the best companies that are out there. So walk me through. How did you get into essential oil space? Did you have a clinical experience with essential oils? Or it really helped you improve your health or life?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know, it was really—  it was really by virtue of my client like I shared a couple minutes ago when they— I was asked to write a series of reports on essential oils. And then the light bulb went on. And so the thing about it, I was asked to write these reports and as I was researching, I saw a major disconnect between what the research says and between what 99.9% of every website says. And like, What is the difference here? Why are these bloggers not getting it? Why are people sharing unsafe practices?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And why is there such a little? And I kid you not, literal aggressive argument between the major brands, like people I’ve learned, you don’t talk about religion, you don’t talk about politics, and you don’t talk about your favorite essential oil at Thanksgiving coz this is gonna cause a family feud.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so I started looking at this like, “This is a really crazy, divided industry.” And so I — I get it. I just went up to Josh Axe and Jill Winger why don’t we host a summit, where we get everyone together, never been done before—  chemist bloggers, aroma therapist, distributors, healthcare professionals. And we all let go of her favorite brands and we just talk straight oils. Everyone told me it couldn’t. So we did it and it— it was awesome because for the first time, people were able to let go of their favorite brands, let go of their loyalty, forget about selling, and we just talked. And you know what, people disagreed with each other and that’s fine. This was an open forum. One person said this, another person said that, and you know, we get a little bit of flack for that. People so-and-so are arguing with so-and-so’s. Well good. This is what— This is what’s called a dialogue. And that’s what I wanted to do. I want to get to the bottom line of how to truly use essential oils safe and effectively because the truth is, we have limited research and we don’t know. The FDA isn’t monitoring this stuff, big Gov is hands off, people have been using this stuff willy-nilly for many years, people get cured from diseases, other people get hurt, why? And so, I literally found the need, Justin— I found the need because people wanted a non-branded trusted resource that they could go to and not worry about getting shoved down the affiliate route and hate by my oil. So I’ll tell you. I lose— and I don’t wanna say I lose, but there’s a lot of money I could be making if I sold oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know what, I’m gonna stay true to this. I’m gonna write books; I’m gonna create courses; I’m gonna have a membership site; I’m gonna provide for my family doing something that no one else is doing. And I gotta say God has been faithful. Uhm—  and we have a huge following because of it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You’re the biggest basically in the world for essential oils so I appreciate it. You’re putting some great info up there. So what are your top three—  this can be different for each person based on what they have headaches, or PMS, or mood issues,

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or anxiety, what are your favorite three essential oils? Just for you, based on your experience, what are they?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Okay. You— You’re catching a good time. I literally just handed in my manuscript for my book last week.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —to an editor. Yeah, man. Book coming on February, So all this is fresh in my mind and one thing that I really made a point in my book was the highlight orange.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Whether it’s sweet orange, wild orange, depending on the brand that you use, basically the same just a different name. Uhm— orange oil is by far the most cost-effective, all-around MVP to about—the highest concentration of D-Limonene—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: D-Limonene

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —of any other—Yeah. So tell me a little bit about in your world. Coz I’m not a functional medicine doc. When I save D-Limonene, I know what I think. But  when I say it, what do you think?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think D- Limonene is the— is the main component in a lot of these citrus lime and orange, uh— lemon and orange, essentially. But I use it in my field to help with the migrating motor complex to help with constipation, people that have SIBO and bacterial overgrowth. Their guts tend to be a little bit slow with methane gas overgrowth. So use D-Limonene and really help the intestines move and it works great therapeutically.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know, orange oil has up to 95% D-Limonene.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. And D-Limonene has also been shown in clinical trials to kill cancer cells. And D- Limonene has been shown to not only do that, but to help boost mood. And for me, aromatherapy is one of the most effective ways of getting people off of Xanax and Prozac, and other psychotropic drugs that are just so bad for you. So I love it, I love it. There’s like, you said, digestive health, mood health, good for infections, it’s antifungal, it’s antiviral. It’s like there’s nothing you can’t do on. I mean really, when our kids have 104 temperature, we apply some diluted uhm— orange and diluted peppermint oil over there back from the crown of your head to the soles of their feet, I kid you not, within minutes their temperature drops because research has shown that D-Limonene, the chemical components in these oils are in the bloodstream within 20 minutes after topical application. Like, it’s like putting on the patch, you know. It’s transdermal application.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like you would, if you were to try to quit smoking. So folks, topical application diluted is the way to go and orange. So orange, number one. number two, I’ve recently had just fallen in love with Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That took me a while. I’ll tell you. I’ll be honest with you. You know, like I joke around, you can’t go, you know, hanging out with my buddies playing football smiling Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha

Dr. Eric Zielinski: They’re gonna take my man card away. But so— I—I really did I marginalize Ylang Ylang is like the flowery perfume thing to my wife did. But man, I stumbled upon a literature review that rocked my mental world. And I’m like, “This is unbelievable.” Frankincense is known as the king of essential oils.
We get that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm. Ylang Ylang is his queen. Unbelievable effect. And here’s a cool thing, like at the end of the day, like you got this look at Ylang Ylang and I—I published an article recently about that, too. It’s—it’s harmonizing effects. So here’s what we got to remember about certain things like plant-based compounds. They should help your body reach homeostasis, okay?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s not about, “Oh! I’m hypotensive. How do I get balance?” or “I’m hypertensive, how do I get low?” You want some— you want supplements, you want essential oils, you want outside-in approaches to help your body inside out heal. And so what we found literally, Ylang Ylang helps harmonized conflicting measures. So for example, it could decrease blood rate at this r uhm—it could decrease blood pressure at the same time that it speeds up your pulse. How does it make sense? That’s counterintuitive, right? Because it helps your body reach homeostasis. And— and sandalwood is another one that does the same thing. So basically people say, “Hey, I want an oil for that.” Well, “Hey, that’s not really the best approach to this.” However, there are certain oils that just help your body just reach that nice peaceful state. And that rocked my world. Again, I never heard of harmonization in that standpoint before with conflicting measures. So we got Ylang Ylang, we got orange and the other one always is peppermint. Like there’s virtually nothing that peppermint can’t help you. It’s—and you know, I also mentioned this in my book, I include— I went out a little bit of a tri— a diatribe.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I hope my— my editor keeps this piece because I started ranting against monster drinks and red bull. Man, I’m telling you something, that stuff is horrible for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And people don’t realize one of those energy drinks has up to 5 cups of caf— 5 cups of coffee’s worth of caffeine in it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Insane.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like 5 cups. Can you imagine drinking 5 cups of coffee like now? People just take a shot and they get so, what— what we’re finding out is actually causing addiction for young adults especially. It’s causing—it’s like the gateway drug. It’s the new marijuana. People are becoming addicted not only to them because the caffeine, but becoming addicted to other narcotics because they need to get on this high. There are so many problems with arrhythmia. I had a friend who went to the hospital because of heart palpitations because he was overdosing on these stupid drinks. So why am I saying this? Peppermint shown clinically proven— if you take a drop of peppermint straight your mouth, put it in your water, put in a teaspoon of coconut oil, actually helps open up your airways, open up your bronchioles, give you deeper breathes. And as you know, Justin, more deeper breathing, more oxygen, more blood; more blood means more energy. And that’s what people are finding, if you want to have some natural energy, you can apply some diluted peppermint over your chest or your back right before you do your crazy Cross Fit, or right before you do your marathon. You don’t need to go to those sugary drinks to sustain your energy, and digestive health, and mental health, and you name, it peppermint can help you. So peppermint, orange, and Ylang Ylang. You ask me in five months, I’d probably come up with a different three but this is where I’m at right now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Peppermint is a great natural cure for sunburn, too.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Couple of drops of that, you rub it in your sunburn area, it is so cool. You think it’s coz of the mint, you think it’d be hotter, but it’s very cooling.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And SIBO. You mentioned SIBO. Clinical trials have shown that peppermint— Coz here’s the problem when it comes to SIBO and other conditions like colon issues. Because how you gonna get that remedy into the colon. You need to have an enteric coated capsule. You need to have a polymer coated capsule that will digest until it reaches the distal G.I. track, right? You just can’t put a drop of peppermint in your mouth and expect it to reach your intestines— It won’t. Even bypass the gastric juice in your stomach. So they found like 3 to 6 drops of peppermint in an enteric coated capsule can literally knock SIBO in its tracks, help with symptoms, calm the inflammation and oh, I take this back, I wanna go back to orange. Same technique with orange and and leaky gut. Orange has been actually shown to help increase your intestinal cell length and size.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So we all know about yet, but it’s—it’s nuts. So they epithelial cell tests and they found that orange actually increases it. So people that have a leaky gut, they can actually help the barrier repair itself, orange oil. I mean, “Wow!” And again, how do you get it in your gut? Enteric coated capsule, possibly putting in over your abdomen and we’ll hope that it penetrates into your gut but that’s not the best approach. It’s really tough to treat the gut.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. You also mentioned uhm— Peppermint. I know one of the big SIBO product is in the market called Atrantil. Peppermint is one of the—the main ingredients in that product so really good feedback. You also mentioned Frankincense, I.E. Boswellia.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Which is a great anti-inflammatory and you know, frankincense has the history, right? It was one of the three herbs that were—that were given, you know, at the uh—at the birth of Jesus, so to speak. And then also, really good anti-cancer herb, too. Can you talk about the anti-cancer effects of frankincense?

Dr. Eric Zielinskil Okay. This is where the confusion comes into the play. Even though it’s called Boswellia, right? You have Bosswellia serrata, boswellia—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: All these different versions and species. The known—the known cancer fighting component in frankincense are Boswellic acids.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: But— Boswellic Acids aren’t volatile. So what essential oils are—they’re volatile organic compounds.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Volatile is the—the meaning of they readily evaporate.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So when you steam distill the frankincense resin, coz again, the resin comes out of the tree just like maple syrup and sap. So you tap the frankincense tree, you get the resin, you crush it up, you distill it— steam distill it. The resin does not win, it separates. It separates in the volatile and nonvolatile compounds. Basically evaporated and those that can’t evaporate. Boswellic Acid can evaporate. So you do not get boswellic acid into your essential oils, okay? So that raises a  little bit of confusion because the research said—these are actually say otherwise and they just don’t know. And that’s the problem with some research studies. However, I have a friend and you can check out on my podcast, Justin. It’s unbelievable story how she was left to die with Stage IV, non-small cell lung cancer. And all she had left because regard—uhm her oncologist took her off of all chemo and radiation because her platelets and blood count were so low. She’s like, “We can’t do anymore for you.” All she knew how to do, her and her Husband was applied. Frankincense and myrrh and lemongrass over her tumor. And again, some me—metastatic all over. She was dying, she  was going blind, she was going paralyzed. She should be dead. Well, she’s not dead. She can see, she could walk, no cancer in her lungs anymore. The cancer in her brain’s gone. And she’s like, “Well, Hallelujah!” Well frankincense was part of that. So here’s my argument to the aromatherapy community is yeah, we can’t prove it yet, but there are many, many case studies and I interviewed Allison Huish.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: uhm— my first summit. She was on the Truth of about Cancer as well about how she use Frankincense to cure herself of astrocytoma. And so, what does this mean? There’s something— There’s something in frankincense but we don’t know what it is.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It might be— It might be uhm— the D— D-Alanine.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I Believe it is. I haven’t read on that in quite awhile.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It might be D-Alanine. It might be the other one. I us don’t know. But anyway, frankincense is known by far to be one of those healing traditional resins on the market and we’ve been using it for centuries, if not, thousands of years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just wanna make sure I understand you. So the volatile compound that’s what’s in the essential oil meaning it can evaporate. Is that where all the anticancer benefits are?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: UhmThat’s the confusion because the non-volatile compound

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s the capsule. That’s what people taking Boswellia. You’re at the Boswellic Acids

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That doesn’tYeah. That’s not volatile so that doesn’t reach the essential oils. So that’s not in your bottle, folks. So when you’re looking at risk, you’re looking at volatile organic compounds. You’re looking at things that readily evaporate so there’s no Boswellia yet in here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you can’t take the Boswellia capsule and get the same benefits that you get for the essential oils.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: They’re completely different.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And which is nice coz you take both. And research actually suggested that if you actually take essential oils with your chemotherapy, for example, it helps the chemotherapy be more effective. Like these are transdermal, they penetrate the blood-brain barrier. You know, they— there’s a lot of benefits to using probiotics and essential oils and enzymes and essential oils together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So my recommendation for people is do both. Put a couple drops of Frankincense in a capsule, take your Boswellia uhm—uhm—supplement. Take it at the same time and monitor it and apply it topically. Topical application, so key.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. And what do you think about the best essential oil companies that are out there? I know there’s a big multi-levels like doTerra and Young Living. What do you think about them? What do you think about some other ones in the market? Where can people a good quality essential oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: My answer is, I hate to say it, I can’t answer it because this is my commitment to the world. I’m not gonna recommend a brand.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Here’s a reason whybecause bias. I’m committed to being an unbiased researcher and I learned in Public Health School 101.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You can’tYou gotta get out of the brand wars. Plus I will say, too, FDA. The problem that a lot of MOM folks have right now is restricted by FDA compliance. So they can’t with say, “Hey, use my essential oils and sell the essential oils and talk about diseases that’s known as a drug claim.”  So here’s why I do what I do, folks. I have the freedom of speech. I know I really upset people by not giving this answer. But if you want me to continue researching if you want me to continue sharing how to use this oil safely and effectively, I can’t recommend a brand, or sell, okay? So with that said, I wrote an article about how to choose a brand. There are many ways, there are several essential oil brands out there. I will give you a couple tips, though, for folks that are interested.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: At the end of the day, I will say at the end of the day, you can use multiple brands. There is no number one best brand. Just don’t believe it. Here’s why Biochemical individuality. And I’m a perfect example of it. There are certain brands that their blends really respond well to me, but let’s say I tried lemon and something about that lemon just doesn’t work with my body. Why? Because my chemistry doesn’t react to the chemistry. And here’s the thing, it all depends on the sourcing, it depends on the harvest, it depends on how they source it, how they store it, whether it’s organic, indigenous, wild-crafted. There’s so many different aspects to this. You have to find what works for you. And my family and I, we use about six or seven brands consistently because we know what works for us. We have our favorites. But in the end of the day, you have to do a little trial and error. Folks, there is no magic bullet. So youyou have to sample. And my recommendation is to really wholeheartedly, and Justin, I hope you agree with this when it comes to supplementation as well, is the organoleptic evaluation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know organoleptic meaning how does your body respond? When you smell something, do you get a headache? When you taste it, does it taste sour? Is it pleasant? You get the shakes, you get nausea, Youwe need to know how our five senses react to something. So before I recommend a supplement regimen of $1000 to someone, I’m gonna give them a sample first. You know, this isn’t a—a one-size-fits-all approach. Same thing with essential oils. You need find out how your body responds, how does it look like? Put a couple of drops and you can see in the back right there, may little diffuser. Put a couple drops of let’s say lemon oil, it’s a perfect oil to start with. It’s relative orange, relatively cost-effective. Buy orange from a few different companies. Hey, invest 50 bucks, it’s worth it, seriously, it’s your health. So get orange, put a couple of drops in the diffuser and just hang out in your kitchen for a little bit. Do it while you’re getting ready for breakfast. How do you feel? I mean, really how do you feel? You get nauseousWell probably not a good idea that you use it. Does it get you little energy? Does it make you smile? Well, that’s a good sign that the brand orange works for you. You kinda have to go that way. And maybe there’s a skin patch test that you could use. That’s you know, when you buy carpet cleaner.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It says, try that inconspicuous part of your carpet before you— you potentially stain your whole carpet. Well, what do you do? You get a little essential oil, dilute it with coconut oil. Put it from the back of your hand. And what happens? You are wrapped in a rash does it hurt? Does it burn? It shouldn’t. If you dilute it properly, it should be a pleasant experience. So that’s called the organoleptic test, folks. I will leave you with this. Because this is something I think we all need toto recognize. You know, when you buy a car and I’m gonna use this analogy for the multi-level marketingnetwork marketing companies versus the others that— that don’t sell uhmthrough that way. When you buy a car, you could choose to get a Mercedes or you could choose to get let’s say, a Chevy, uhmwe could argue all day long whether or not a Mercedes is worth the money or whether you could get by with a Chevy. I’m comparing a multilevel marketing company to a Mercedes because you’re paying extra You are. You are paying extra for the service that you get. These companies have to pay 6-7-8 down lines worth of commission and so they literally raise their prices 5-6-7-10 times as much as they could. But here’s the thing, if you get value out of it, it’s worth it. If you have a support from your up line, if you trust the company, I’ll say, I know people that if they can afford it, they’re getting a Mercedes and they love it. They love the service; they love the esteem; they love the in a sense, social proof behind it. So with that said I—I  just realized you are paying more but I’m not saying you’re wasting your money just how like how I would never say that someone who buys a Mercedes is wasting her money. You gotta find value in that. If you’re on a super tight budget, you might want to think twice about an MOM and go through another vendor. There are many, many that sell quality oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. So What are those top three criteria we’re looking at? We’re trying to make sure the oils are organic, I imagine. We don’t want the pesticides and chemicals, that’s a given, correct?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: No. You know, I hate to say it. No, because it’s a problem. They actually had a study—or not a study—a whole conference around this in 2014 in Rome, Italy where they evaluated the pesticide content in organic oils and there’s no way. There are pesticide residues in organic oils. Why?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Less than regular.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yes, of course. So if you wanna minimize it, but the thing is—is if you want uhm — good, good question. If you want to completely avoid pesticides, I don’t think you can.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Unless you— really, you just can’t. Even if you grow it in your backyard coz it drift away and then water run off. So organic is in consideration; indigenous sourcing, that’s a consideration. You really want to get oils whether naturally— you wanna get the plants where they’re naturally harvested. I think that’s a great idea. Uhm— Here’s the thing, reputation, referrals— you wanna start— I’m a referral junkie like, you know, I’m looking for a new dentist. I’m going to one of  my friends, “Hey who do you recommend?” Contact two or three or four friends that you really trust, no more than five, seriously, coz it gets confusing. Contact some really close friends that you know are in control of your health and you value them; you look up and say, “What brand do you recommend?” I know you’re using these oils and start there. Contact the company; ask them about their sourcing. They should have batch reports. They should be able to send you information whether via email or whatever. They have all this stuff. Ask them for information— How do you source it? What are your quality standards? All these different things. You wanna get this Information. If a company cannot readily provide that, I would think twice. At this point, they should have their act together. And the reality is remember folks, there’s no such thing as certified this; There’s no such thing as third-party testing. Meaning no government agency that’s third-party is truly evaluating all this. It’s all internal. So all boils down to trust. It all boils down to trust because no one is forcing these companies to sell pure oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense. And what’s the best way to apply these oils? So someone’s trying to get these oils into their body fast, what’s the best way? Are we going over lymphatic sites behind the ears, crease of the elbow, behind the knees, uh— in the in the lymph node area of the throat? How do you get them into patients fast so it works therapeutically?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Good question. The fastest, most effective— fastest I should say is in— inhalation. So like this, that—  or you can actually have a diffuser. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Diffuser—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You— you can apply even apply it topically over your chest, you could get like Vicks Vapor rub uhm—  diffusing it to an ultrasonic diffuser like I have behind me. There’s a variety of ways like that is the fastest way; However, I feel the most effective is topical and there’s a research study that proved—that showed the percutaneous absorption rate of different parts of your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Number one is the genital region and it makes sense. What’s the most sensitive part of your body when you apply anything to it? Your genital.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. A lot of blood flow down there.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And there is. So you gotta think of it, Justin, traditionally aromatherapy will actually recommend anal suppositories for certain conditions. We’re talking immediate application into the blood system. So if that weirds you out, I get it. That freaks people out. So okay, let’s stay away far from from the genitals. I wanna be careful; I don’t wanna burn myself. So the next best way is the back of the neck.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: The absorption on the back of the neck is the best way to apply the oils. And next is the stomach, the abdomen. And that’s where the research studies have shown that linalool, the chemical in lavender penetrates and gets into the bloodstream within 20 minutes of applying a diluted mixture. So stomach is safe, back and neck, and then arms, and finally your legs and feet. So when people say, “Oh, apply the oils in the bottoms of your feet.” Yeah, that’s nice you get the aromatic benefit like you could smell it. But it’s really not. It’s not the most effective way of getting oils into your body because again, there’s a lot of myths out there the pores of your—  your feet are not this big like people make it sound like. There’s a lot of calluses down there; it’s tough skin; it’s hard for stuff to get in your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any opinion on cannabis oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know it’s been used for epilepsy, pain, anxiety, a lot of really good anti-cancer benefits. What your thoughts are uh CBD oil, in particular?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Well first CBD oil is not an essential oil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And that’s where a little confusion comes into play. The essential oil is much different. Uhm—  the essential oil is the essential oils, not at extract. And that’s what CBD oil is. It’s basically a solvent extract. And if they use something like hexane or some other petrochemical, I get weirded out by that, I’ll tell you, man. It has to have a solid like CO2—CO2 extraction, CBD oil is fantastic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: CO2

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You do. You do not want to use a solvent, a petrochemical solvent to get your stuff out, man. It’s bad news bears. And that’s what Bob—Rob I’m sorry, I should— should remember this. Bob Simpson, or you know, the Bob Simpson oil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: He’s using hexane. Forget that, man. So I mean, you— they actually have—  you could buy CO2 extract and basically it’s— it’s hyper atmospheric CO2 coz CO2 as we know is an air. CO2 when it’s frozen is your— your— your—  your liquid or your—uhm—your—uhm—your frozen ice, what’s that called? Help me out here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. I think you need to be the dry ice.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. CO2 when it’s frozen is your dry ice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: CO2 when it’s evaporated is in your air; but CO2 can actually become a liquid, if it’s at a constant temperature at a constant atmospheric pressure. And that is how they’re extracting. And the chemical properties of these essential oils are profound. So yes, CO2, cannabis is fantastic for cancer; it’s fantastic for pain; it’s fantastic for nausea. I mean every cancer patient should have it for a number reasons. Coz it helps with the symptoms, it helps especially counteract a lot of the stuff that happens when you’re at chemo. Uhm—and I actually wrote an article all about cannabis oil because it’s not an essential oil. You gotta remember that. There is cannabis essential oil, completely different chemical structure. Again, what’s volatile? What’s not? What will evaporate? What won’t? What will survive steam distillation or what will be lost? And so we always gotta remember even if you extract or cold-pressed it’s called a citrus oil versus steam distilling it, there’s different chemical properties. So you guys kinda look at the chemistry a little bit. Find out what is it that I want; what is it that I need; and go accordingly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Totally makes sense. Now, you have four kids. So I imagine you probably have all of the— the parental injuries and all these different things that happen with the kiddos and a lot of people they go back to the conventional medicine cabinet, right?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A lot of the anti-inflammatory, maybe the harsh medications to treat the symptoms. What are your top three oils for dealing with kiddo issues? Coughs, scrapes, headaches, burns. What are your top three for that?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You know—Yeah. Going back to what—going back—it’s a good question going back to what I share with the other three. It’d be similar. I would choose peppermint, orange and lavender.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Lavender particularly because it’s just helps her children. We diffuse lavender; We have a sleepy time blend, we’ll put lavender, a little bit of vetiver rum chamomile. We’ll give my—my wife does it. My kids call it the royal touch where she just touches them and massages their back and she gives him a nice, you know, aromatherapy massage before bed put a few drops in the diffuser and a religious helps calm the house down and get them ready for night time as we pray and read the stories. That’s really cool. Peppermint like I shared it’s—it’s—it’s—it’s the MVP Uhm— there is a little bit of disagreement in the world whether or not the aromatherapy world that peppermint is safe for children. We’ve used peppermint as young as a couple months old all the way through. Here— one thing you gotta consider children are miniature adults. They really, really are. At the end of the day, they’re just miniature adults; However, when it comes to premature babies and things, their skin are like sponges and Justin, you know, you’re having a baby soon you’ll find this out. You’ll apply—You can apply a whole like liter of coconut oil on your baby and it’ll just be—their skin will be dry in a couple of hours.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s crazy. So lit—especially newborns, their skin is so absorbent so you wanna be careful.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And some experts recommend don’t even use essential oils on children for the first couple months of their life. I’m not gonna argue that. I’ll tell you that we have, very safely, I’m talking highly diluted, like one drop per tablespoon kind of thing and we’ve done well. And peppermint is fantastic especially for those tummy issues. We use that a lot— peppermint for tummy issues. You know when the baby gets colicky, you know, they need to pass gas and things that helps, and we like— we uhm—essentially my wife anoints our kids with a—a mixture of orange and—and vanilla. She calls it her oil of joy blend. And every morning it’s— it’s what we do. We slather them up and we get them ready for school and we get them all happy and just helps promote, positive, positive emotions. So peppermint, orange and lavender are critical for my house for our children.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how are you diluting those oil? You said in 1 tablespoon, so you doin’ like a little bit of MCT or some fraction of the coconut oil? What does that look like?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Good question. There are variety of carrier oils and it all depends what you’re trying to do. And folks, if you don’t— you really wanted to learn—  and this is definitely out of the scope of this talk just because this would turn into an aromatherapy class—  you gotta get your dilutions down and I have that in uhm— I actually have a pdf that people can get, like all of it— like what’s 1%? What’s 2%? So here’s like I guess the bottom-line if your —your math person, take notes on this. In 1 ounce, okay? 1 ounce of a carrier oil, almond, jojoba, evening primrose, coconut, doesn’t matter, there’s a roughly 600 drops. So if you want a 1% dilution, which is typically safe for children for the face, for the—for the genitalia, it’s very highly diluted 1%. You’d only put 6 drops.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Six drops of essential oil per—uhm—per ounce. That’s the standard. You know, just think of it in terms like that. Which oil you use to dilute it? It’s up to you. I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s the variety one, though?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. There’s a varie— we don’t—my—my—my favorite’s my wife’s blend. She created a uh— this is on my website, too— she created a Mama Z oils base where she used coconut, almond and jojoba and a little bit of vitamin e acts as a preservative and really, really helps. You make your own. Uhm—if you want something that helps prevent oxidation, which will help extend the shelf life of your essential oil, and something that really penetrates quick, fractionated coconut or MCT is fantastic. It gets a little pricey but, you know, it’s worth in the long run on uhm—especially for burns, for you know, tumors, for things like uhm—uhm—  cold sores on your mouth, something like that. It doesn’t leave an oily ry—residue. And that’s the thing about essential oils, they’re really not oils that we think, they don’t leave a residue. So that’s where your fractionated coconut comes in. Your normal coconut oil, that works great but it’s more like a lotion, more good for your toothpaste and that stuff.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It’s a solid fat so typically you have to get a lot of body heat going to get it liquefy

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what do you think about people that are trying to get off smoking and they’re going to like a vapor e-cigarette. There’s a lot of people that are doing these oil-based vape solutions.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s your take on that? I know there’s a lot— there’s some that have like a lot of— I think uhm— preservatives in it, like uh— I can’t think—  polysorbitol, polysorbate.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: — is also I think some—some— uh—I think it’s the anti-freeze compound, I forget what it is. It’s various paraben. But again, these are preservatives that are in some of these oils that keep it lasting longer. Are there any that you like that are good to put in the vape or the e-cigarette, if you trying to convert or going off of real cigarettes?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I think those things are absolutely ridiculous. I mean our—our lungs are not made to inhale that concentrated amount of essential oils. Just think of it, it is— it’s ridiculous. I mean, you can actually cause lung damage especially because of those— those concentrated—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: compounds, those preservatives. But you know what helps with cigarette withdrawal?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Black pepper.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmm

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —proven. Research. Black pepper and he— and I’ve —I’ve help—I’ve help people do this and I kid you not, it works. You can diffuse. And I suggest uhm—at work or at night especially diffusing at night next your bed stand. It’s so easy to do because you’re not thinking, you’re sleeping and you just enjoy the vapors in your body just starts to change and even consciously realize what’s happening. I love it. So for folks that I’ve help get off cigarettes is black pepper and you can just put a few drops. There are other oils I can help as well. Again, peppermint is very good at curbing uhm—unhealthy cravings, lime, grapefruit these are all cinnamon. They’re known also to help curb unhealthy food cravings but to me and Justin, I don’t know if you agree or not with this, but addiction is addiction it’s like an addiction cascade in the mind, whether you’re addicted to sex, whether you’re addicted to food, whether you’re addicted to a drug. It ki— it still triggers the same aspect of the addiction cascade in the mind. So if something works with food, I’ve seen it work in the same with nicotine. And so person— as my experience and black pepper is great. Another technique is to put—coz a—I used to smoke for five years. So I get this, the oral fixation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so a good technique is to get some diluted— make about a 5 or I would even say 10% dilution uhm—which would be 60 drops of black pepper per ounce of a carrier oil, coconut would work nice, after the taste nice. Put that in the bowl and get some toothpicks. Have those toothpicks soak up the essential oil blend and it’s called uhm— you know, black pepper stick. Put that in your mouth, suck on the toothpick. It gives that oral fixation habit to rest; you get the benefits of the anti-withdrawal. And I tell you, it helps with withdrawals because nicotine withdrawals are killer. So yeah, folks, don’t be doing those vapor things. They’re not good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now do you still—Do you feel like it’s still a good step in the right direction where smoking is a lot worse than that? At least maybe it’s not optimal but it’s still better?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or do you feel it’s just as bad as smoking a cigarette?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. It’s just another replacement. Again, I can’t say if it’s bad—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Do you think it’s as bad, though?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I don ‘t think it’s good. I mean it’s replacing one bad thing with another. I-I am not—I’m not a fan of that stuff. I mean I—you know, is it worse? I don’t know, we don’t have any clinical trials. But to—to—to— put the concentrated preservatives in your precious alveolar just doesn’t make sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I know there healthier ones out there that don’t have that junk. So there is kind of the standard you know like—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Crappy meat to McDonald’s and grass-fed meet at the— at the local store. So I know there are different variations to that. Again, just want your take on it, but it sounds like you’re against it, anyway.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And even if you know why to— even if it were just pure—And I don’t think— I haven’t seen them. I have not seen a pure only 100% essential oil-based. I haven’t seen that. There’s always something else in it. You have to go emulsified to help you get in, become a vapor. I—the problem I have with it is is our body aren’t made, designed to have a concentrated amount of essential oils in it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like you can actually cause a sensitization response and people are findings of becoming allergic to essential oils coz they’re using them too highly concentrated. And that’s a problem, like again, you—you—you could cause some asthma and bronchial issues by inhaling the stuff in the wrong way. Again, diffusion’s perfect. Right behind me. You got millions and millions of particles of these oils in the air and it’s a well-ventilated room. Imma put it in my lungs—it’s just not smart. So anyway, that’s just my thought. Uhm— I could be wrong, been wrong before but uhm—it just doesn’t settle right with me, especially coz it’s not proven.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani Well, I appreciate your perspective on it. I think you have some really good, valid points there.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Now, last question here before we did in. Uhm— looking at female hormones and male hormones. I deal with a lot of these issues primarily on the female side, but the male side, too. We’re constantly trying to help support and balance, you know, hormones naturally and male hormones naturally. What’s your favorite oil to help improve male hormonal balance? And what’s your favorite oil for females maybe that’s a cycling female and/or menopausal females so we can cut us with those up.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That’s a good question. I don’t have a good answer for the male side uhm—unfortunately, I haven’t seen it. I really haven’t seen it. Uhm—I— I’ve seen, on the other end, in the research— a lot of research—I actually have a whole because of, Justin, I wasn’t planning on doing this and thank God, my editor gave me the thumbs up coz I wrote a whole section on it. I wrote an entire section 1/3 of my book is on women’s health because I realized research is— is— is profound. Clary sage—clary sage, geranium, Ylang Ylang and lavender. Those are the go-to oils to help the body get to that homeostasis to get the body harmonizing with hormones. It helps so many issues on their cycle, not on their cycle, pre-menopause, during and post menopause— all of it. And the thing is, it all works. It’s just a matter of finding what works for you. So there’s research showing literally clary sage helping with dysmenorrhea, clary sage helping speed up first stage of delivery, helping stage on helping uhm— with women— with horrible cramps in labor and helping throughout the process of every stage of life. Wow! Which makes sense because what’s—what’s do most midwives recommend? What it do— most herbal medicine practitioners use? clary sage—It’s unbelievable. So when it comes to men, I—I don’t know what to say. I really don’t and I haven’t seen enough research to suggest specifically on testosterone-related issues or any other hormones that I’ve seen. Unfortunately, uhm— that’s the problem with men’s health in aromatherapy. It’s is relatively untested.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. Tons of good knowledge bombs here. I love it. What I’m gonna do afterwards, too. I’m gonna do like a 3 to 5 minute video just kinda summarizing a lot of the key points here. And I will put some links back to your site, as well. I will grab all those references, the article you mentioned, how to spot the oils, how to apply it for all the kid stuff002E

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We will make sure that in the reference section for the transcription. So people want to know more info about you, click below and go to the transcription to get all of the details below.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Awesome. Thank you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, is there anything kinda last thing here as we wrap up? Uhm— is anything else you wanna add that’s really important? Any projects? Anything that’s going on you wanna let the listeners know about?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I really wanna emphasize safety. I wanna emphasize effectiveness and wanna emphasize that these oils can change your life. And it’s about balance. Uhm— this is, you know, and I’m gonna get back to my book a lot and that’s coming out in February uhm—it’s a little too soon to even be discussing the details about it yet. I wrote a section and I—I wanna end with here about how to get the most out of this book? How to get the most out of this podcast? How to get the most of my website? How to get the most out of anything uhm— there in the online space? One question I get over and over and over Justin— And not even a, question it’s more like a plea for help is I’m confused. There’s too much out there. You know when I first started this life, Justin, was 15 years ago. Basically all I had was Dr. Mercola. I have mercola.com You and I, we weren’t doing these. There were not as many thousands and thousands of health-related right websites out there. It’s really easy to find info and I’m grateful I found Dr. Mercola coz he’s a pretty trusted source. I felt and still do. So you go right now, folks, and you type up things, like “thyroid health and essential oils” you literally will get hundreds of thousands of hits on Google. And you know what, 99.9% of all of those are not evidence-based. They’re completely made up. Now I’m not saying they’re bad. I’m not saying that they’re fake, I’m saying that these people are talking about things that either they have no right talking about or they’re just passing on—or they’re just sharing their story. And I can’t discount that. I love when people share their testimonies but when people say these top seven oils are good for thyroid health says who? – coz I’ve looked. I’ve spent hours trying to find research, it’s not there. So  here’s my recommendation— is especially for beginning. In health, but particularly with essential oils, limit your teachers, limit your mentors, find two or three people at the most that you’re gonna follow and follow them. And follow them until the point where you realize, like me, I remember I’ll never feels like 2008, I kinda outgrew Dr. Mercola. I’m like, “Wow, I get this now.” I’ve been reading his newsletter faithfully for like five years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I got this stuff done, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I get it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski:  Yeah. You need to do that folks because the problem is, if you listen to 15-20 different people and let all these people’s voices get in your mind, you’re gonna get confused. I get it all the time so whether it’s me, whether it’s other Dr. so-and-so.com, you gotta find one or two or possibly three people, and follow them, trust them, vet that them out. I’m— who are they?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And so once you do, and the same thing with your essential oil company, same thing with your supplement company, same thing with your doctor, once they’re vetted, then you could really hone in and start to get good at this stuff. And that’s it. I’ll tell you. I’ll be the first to say, I’m not perfect, I make mistakes, but you know what, Justin, I regularly go back to my website and fix stuff because I realize, “Oh, that was wrong. Lemme fix that quick.” You wanna find someone like that and I would be honored and privileged, folks if you follow me. I have 150,000 people on my newsletter every week, getting my information. I have hundreds and thousands of people hitting my site every month. So I would be honored and privileged if you do, but if not, find someone that you trust and just— just dive in.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome, man. I appreciate it. Very good. And last thing, one essential oil you can only bring it to a dessert island, you’re stuck there for life, what’s that essential oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’d be orange.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Orange. I love it. And then what’s the website, Eric?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: drericz.com

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: drericz.com Eric, you’ve been an awesome guest. You’re the man; we appreciate it, helping people every day. You have an awesome weekend.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You too, man. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you.













Detoxification Issues – Mary Vance – Podcast #19

In this podcast, Dr. Justin and Mary Vance, a holistic nutritionist and wellness coach talked about the importance of functional nutrition and how by determining and addressing the underlying causes of one’s disease rather than simply dealing with it symptomatically can greatly provide relief and make a huge difference in one’s health.

Learn the proper approach to detox and how proteins and amino acids play a vital role in making our detoxification channels run properly.  Also find out what the top three stressors in our detox system and how to avoid it.  Discover the different herbs for detox as well as the healing benefits of essential oils.


In this episode we cover:

06:25   SIBO

09:33   3 Weeks To Vitality

14:18   3 Detox Stressors

19:28   Detoxification pathways

25:12   Herbs for detoxification

43:17   Resistance Starch

43:17   Essential Oils Benefits








Justin Marchegiani:  Welcome back to Beyond Wellness Radio.  This is Dr. Justin Marchegiani here.  Baris Harvey will not be here today but we have an awesome guest in our studio, Mary Vance, NC.  Mary is a Certified Nutritional Consultant in Bauman College.  She has also gone through Dr. Daniel Kalish’s Functional Medicine program.  And Mary has worked with patients; I want to say, for the last five to ten years, Mary?

Mary Vance:  It’s actually been almost 10 years now.  I finished school in 2006.  I started kind of mentoring and working with people, around 2005-ish, so almost 10 years, yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  Wow.  That’s great.

Mary Vance:  Yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  Well, I would love for you to be able to share your story, kind of how you got into the health field with our listeners.

Mary Vance:  Sure.  And you can read kind of a more detailed information on my site which is maryvancenc.com.

Justin Marchegiani:  Okay.

Mary Vance:  But the short story is that I grew up an animal lover and was raising and training show horses and dogs.  And I attended some animal rights workshops and learned about the really deplorable conditions behind factory farming.  And that really horrified me so I became a vegetarian.  And I was about fifteen and I lived essentially on rice and ramen noodles and I became severely anemic.

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, man.

Mary Vance:  Yes, right.  (Laughs)

Justin Marchegiani:  (Laughs)

Mary Vance:  I mean they were delicious but I became really severely anemic.  And that was kind of the first connection I made that, “Wow! What you eat really dictates the status of your health.”  So you know now, since you and I are working with clients and patients all the time it is kind of a no-brainer for us.  But I think a lot of people still do not really make that connection.  And so that is how it really hit home for me and I started really studying how to be a healthy vegetarian.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  You know, if there is such a thing.  And I just read everything that I can get my hands on.  I was really interested in the connection between nutrition and health.  But then of course, I was eating a lot of soy and thought that I was super healthy because I was a vegetarian.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  And all of the processed soy food obviously kind of messed up my hormones and thyroid.  And that is when I really kind of started pursuing this as a career.   Went back to school and got my education and training and then you know just learned how to rebalance my hormones on my own.  And it all kind of took off from there.

Justin Marchegiani:  Wow! That is great.  Now because you mentioned animals I am going to go into it.  I got a scratch from my cat maybe four days ago and it is kind of swollen up.  And I have done some research it’s a bartonella infection.

Mary Vance:  Oh, wow!

Justin Marchegiani:  I am actually treating it right now with some herbs, with silver, with noni, with neem, cordyceps, a couple of herbal formulas and its actually going down really nicely.  So I may get to avoid the antibiotics.  I am keeping my fingers crossed.  I want to keep my gut flora as healthy as possible.

Mary Vance:  Yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  I know you have the experience working with a lot of people with gut infections.  And I am just curious, people that have animals, do you see a lot of people that are around animals come up with infections?

Mary Vance:  Now that is really an interesting question because one of my closest friend is a naturalist and works with tons of animals and his was the worst parasite test I ever saw.  (Laughs)

Justin Marchegiani:  Gosh.

Mary Vance:  Riddled with stuff and have a lot of GI issues.  And yes, actually one of the more common thing I see and I know you do too is really H. pylori.  And then if you test one person, if they have a partner you always want to run a test on the partner.  And 9 times out of 10, the partner comes up with it, too.  So aside from animals, the moral of the story is check your partners as well.  (Laughs)

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, absolutely.  My cat gave my fiancée cryptosporidium infection.

Mary Vance:  Oh my gosh!

Justin Marchegiani:  I know.  And speaking of cats, are you familiar with toxoplasmosis?

Mary Vance:  Oh yes.  Yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  So that is an infection that literally changes the person’s brain chemistry to like, I think to actually like urine, like the cat urine.

Mary Vance:  Oh, my God!

Justin Marchegiani:  Isn’t that crazy that it can like change your urges and kind of desires around something like that?  Isn’t that crazy?

Mary Vance:  That is really scary.  I think pigeons carry that, too.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, yes exactly.  So when you deal with these people that have chronic infections, what is the best way to do it?  Do you find going out knocking out the infection right away tend to be the best thing or is there some type of foundation that has to be worked on with these patients before they get to the infections?

Mary Vance:  Well, that is a really good question, too.  And as you know, kind of my favorite repeatable mantra that I tell everyone is that there is never a one-size-fits all approach to any of this stuff.  So if anyone comes to you and they have a bunch of different gut infections or pathogenic infections or parasites going on, I mean sometimes if they are also super toxic, you know when their liver is not working properly because they are super overwhelmed with all the toxins that are admitted due to these gut infections and they are not digesting well and that creates kind of a toxic environment.  And then if you give them herbs or even sometimes the antibiotics or whatever if they have a really severe infection and that can overwhelm their detox system.  And overwhelm them to the point where they would crash and feel incredibly ill.  

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  And if their adrenals are not supported, it is really important to make sure that whoever you are working with has the detox channels working properly and they are not super stressed out and their adrenals are kind of working before you can really knock out a lot of the GITs.  And make sure that their diet is pretty stable, too.  Don’t you find that common in your practice, too?  

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  I mean, I find that a lot of people for instance a lot of toxins are eliminated via the hepatobiliary channel system.  So if your gut is backed up then when your liver and gallbladder dump all these stuff up you are just going to reabsorb it.

Mary Vance:  Totally.

Justin Marchegiani:  So definitely making sure like digestion is there, transit time is there.  Getting rid of the dysbiosis and SIBO.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  That is like, I find that really important.

Mary Vance:  Yes, SIBO is so funny because all of a sudden you hear about SIBO everywhere and its only years ago no one was really talking about it.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And now it’s… I mean I see it’s a really common cause of constipation and almost everyone I am working with that has GI problems have the tendency towards constipation.  And of course that makes, you know, detox issues much worse if you are backed up but SIBO is really huge right now.  I see a lot of those cases.

Justin Marchegiani:  And what is your opinion with SIBO?  Because I find with some patients that it is just SIBO that is causing the problem.  And then you have other patients where SIBO is kind of a sign of a deeper infection that is like underneath.

Mary Vance:  Oh, yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  And that is kind of like making the outer environment in the gut like more, you know, dysbiotic, if you will.  So what is your take?  Are you seeing more of just SIBO being the problem or SIBO and other infections?

Mary Vance:  Well, I find that with candida most often.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  You know.  If you always see yeast as kind of a secondary infection to other stuff.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, candida.

Mary Vance:  And it seems that way with SIBO as well.  Because yes, obviously the gut terrain is totally altered with these infections and then it causes the secondary infections to crop up.  But it is kind of baffling to me right now.  I don’t know if you have come across this but I will have people that go to their doctors get breath tests for SIBO and they come back negative but they still have all the signs.  And then they start eating you know, according to FODMAP and kind of addressing that, they feel better.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  So I wonder what do you think about the accuracy of those breath tests? 

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, basically we are on the exact same page.  I tell my patients, one if we see it in the stool test that is great.  But if they see any resolution of going on a Low FODMAP diet and their gas and bloating improves that is diagnostic to me.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  And then also if adding in a little bit of resistant starch makes the problem worse, I tell them it is like throwing a rock in the beehive and that is diagnostic for SIBO in my ballgame as well.  Because some of these tests can be expensive so we can do objective/subjective testing.  When we add these things and then we see if symptoms go one way or the other.  That can be huge at moving forward and knowing that we have this issue.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  So do you just use the Metametrix tests to see if there’s an overgrowth of good bacteria and that is how you use stool testing to diagnose SIBO?

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, like that or like if you are doing a 401H from BioHealth you will see like Enterobacter or you will see Citrobacter and things like that up in the abundance of the gut bacteria.  So you can see it that way, too.

Mary Vance:  Yes, yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  And then, you know, sometimes just any breath test and you will see it more of an H. pylori.  But I have just been doing the PODMAP thing and I think it is really diagnostic for patients.

Mary Vance:  Yes, I think so too.  Yes exactly.  If that works right away off the bat it kind of save some people money if they cannot afford a stool test right away.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  And right now you are doing a lot of stuff with detox.  I think you have an e-book and a specific product on your website that you are really kind of putting out there right now.  Can you tell us more about that detoxification product?

Mary Vance:  Yes, so I wrote a book called “Three Weeks To Vitality” and my main goal for writing this book is that one of my colleagues when I used to teach detox workshops which are really fun.  And we would do them right before spring and right before fall because those are kind of the ideal times according to Traditional Chinese Medicine.  That is when the liver and the large intestines are the most active and the weather is warm and those are the best times to detox.  But one of my main things in teaching these workshops and I noticed was that people were doing just these crazy fad cleanses that are really unhealthy.  And using or drinking all kinds of stuff and doing the Master Cleanse for 3 weeks and you know, some people can feel great doing some juice fasting.  But again, if you have underlying hypoglycemia or some other type of issues going on then that can again be really kind of dangerous.  And a lot of people have ended up in the hospital from doing the Master Cleanse because it severely alters their electrolyte level.  So I kind of wanted to educate people on just using food and herbs for safe holistic detoxification and that is kind of the basis for my book.  It gives you a three-week plan.  And week one is the pre-cleanse where you are kind of cleaning up your diet and getting rid of all the junk like gluten and dairy and potential food allergens, soy foods.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  The other benefit of it aside from all the education that I kind of provide and the guidelines on this 21-day program is that it is also a great way to test yourself for food allergies. You know, by eliminating potential allergenic foods for a period of time and then adding them back in at the end.  You can tell you know if you start to get symptoms that you might have food allergy issues going on.  And the same thing with coffee and alcohol.  A lot of people are drinking coffee every morning and drinking wine at night and they do not realize the impact that it has until they get rid of it.  And then you know it helps them really identify which habits are not serving them well.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, I think you said some really important things there.  Now you talked about detoxification.  So you are kind of eliminating a lot of the environmental stuff, a lot of the dietary stressors that are coming in your body, is that correct?

Mary Vance:  Yes for sure.  Because our environment is so toxic these days it is really scary.   You know a lot of people say, “Oh, our liver is our own natural detoxifier.”  And you will hear naysayers basically saying you do not need to do detox because your liver does that for you.  But obviously we are bombarded with so many toxins.  And like what we have been talking about if your gut is now working properly, if there are other factors going on.  We have those endogenous toxins, internal and then external.  So just by getting rid of all of the junky stuff that you are eating for 21 days and really eat… There are foods that you can eat to support your liver and herbs you can take.  You know, kind of healing elixirs you can drink to really support liver detox.  So yes, definitely what you are intaking day to day is really important for that but also just kind of making over your life.  That is kind of a whole holistic model, right?  Is that we identify not only just what we are eating but our lifestyle, stress and sleep and all these other factors involved, too.  And kind of look at what are some toxic patterns in your life that are not serving you well.  That is kind of the true path for healing is really looking at all the factors and not just focusing on just diet or just protocol.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  But they are addressing all those factors for health.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.  And I think a lot of cleanses out there they miss the internal toxins.  You said endotoxins or internal toxins.  Endogenous was the work you used.

Mary Vance:  Yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  And I think it is really important because a lot of infections like for instance we have H. pylori or bacterial issues we are going to see endotoxin which is hepatotoxic.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  We see a compound known as lithocholic acid which is produced by SIBO.  We see mycotoxins which are produced by fungus. For instance, if we like to do this awesome cleanse and we get all of these nice nutrients and herbs, if we do not get rid of these infections though we are not really getting to the root.  Is that correct?  Is that what I am hearing you say?

Mary Vance:  Yes, totally.  And obviously this cleanse is just designed for people to be able to do this at home.  But I do get a lot of emails from people that say, “Yes, I felt better by cleaning out my diet but is still do not feel great.”  You know, then that is a sign that there is still something going on that you have to test for.  So yes, that was a major issue.  People have adrenal fatigue and they are not going to totally get better until you really resolve some of these underlying, other factors that might be going on that are a huge stress on the body.    

Justin Marchegiani:  So what do you think are the three habits, out of your experience with thousands of patients what are the three biggest habits that are putting stress on our detoxification systems?

Mary Vance:  Well, the biggest one I think and that you would probably agree with I would not say necessarily for the detox system, in general.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance: But one of the biggest things that people do not realize and just a factor of our health is sleep.  I mean, we are still programmed in our society that if we sleep 8 to 10 hours at night that we are lazy and we are not productive.  I was just reading an article the other day that said our ancestors were sleeping 10 to 12 sometimes more hours at night.  And we gradually whittled that down.  And that is one of the gateway first wrongs in the ladder for stress which causes inflammation which then you are kind of off and running.  That is how the disease state begins.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Got it.

Mary Vance:  So sleeping is a huge one.  And then for detox, a lot of it are really focusing on cleaning up your products.  Things that you are slathering on your skin and chemical-filled cleaning products that you are inhaling when you are cleaning your house.  There are just so many chemicals that are used in our lives day to day.  And cleaning all that stuff, just remember anything that you are rubbing on your skin is absorbed and has to be detoxed.  And that includes on your food, pesticides that you are eating or herbicides from non-organic produce and factory farm meat.  Those have a huge impact.  And then of course, people are just like popping pain relievers and drinking alcohol and using over the counter drugs.  And all of those kind of really add up. And your body has this total load threshold and when that is exceeded then these toxins back up in your system and that is when problems start.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, those are really, really good points.  Now on top of that you have talked about the Master Cleanse.  I think you were dropping a serious big knowledge bomb back there.  Like that is like blasphemy in the detox world.  Can you go more into the Master Cleanse, if you will?  And just talk about kind of what your take on in this?

Mary Vance:  Yes. The Master Cleanse is very polarizing.  Some people are like they get super upset if you talk about leaving out the Master Cleanse.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh yes.

Mary Vance:  But the idea that you drink this lemon water which in and of itself hot water with lemon can be a great detoxifying agent.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  How it like stimulates peristalsis and it really does kind of help bile production.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, it is very alkaline, too.  Right?  Alkalinizing.

Mary Vance:  It is very alkalinizing, yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  So this Master Cleanse they drink that and cayenne pepper which can be thermogenic and help boost fat burning.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And increase circulation.  And maple syrup and sometimes Epson salt or something, I do not even know.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  But you know if you are drinking this 6 -7 times a day, again like I was saying earlier, if you have underlying health issues you are not aware of or if you have a tendency to hypoglycemia, I mean you are going to really crash and burn.  And people are doing this mostly in my experience when I work with clients and taught these workshops, it is not that people really care so much about being healthier or cleansing their liver.  Specifically, they just want to lose weight.

Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Mary Vance:  So you are really going to lose weight but you are mostly losing muscle mass.  You are not burning fat when you are doing the Master Cleanse.  It can really have detrimental effects on some.  And people would be like “Oh, but, I felt amazing!”  And I think that is kind of a false sense of your body’s being stressed out and you are kind of running on adrenalin for a few days and then you just crash.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, it is very addicting to be running on adrenalin, like it feels good.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes, yes totally.  Yes those are some scary stuff.  And some of these cleanses that people are buying on the store they have like really harsh laxative stimulant herbs.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  So there is pooping all the time and they are like, “Oh, I am cleansing, I am on the toilet all day.  But really that is not focusing on liver support at all.  You are just pooping a lot.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right, right.  And I find with my patients or just people in general, the main benefit that people get from doing a Master Cleanse is they are cutting out food allergens but there is no protein in their diet.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes.  Exactly, yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  Like they are just getting a total break from eggs, beef, and chicken.  Even foods that are like Paleo but they are just getting a break from it and their immune system kind of like de-stresses, right?

Mary Vance:  Yes, that is really an excellent point.  And a lot of people if they are feeling really poorly going into it and they are having lots of digestive issues then yes, and that is where people get confused, too.  Is that it is hard for them to determine if they have food allergy or if they are just not digesting food that they are eating well because their digestive system is not working and they are not producing enough enzymes or hydrochloric acid.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And then they remove all those foods or they remove all food and they are like, “Oh, I feel amazing!”  It is probably like you said they are removing allergens or foods that they are not digesting well.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, that is really a good point.  And also I want you touch upon our cytochrome P450 oxidase pathways.  Phase 1, phase 2, some people say phase 3.  I want you to touch upon that because if I remember correctly from school, it takes protein and amino acids to run those pathways.  So you look at the Master Cleanse you are like wait a minute!  There is no amino acids coming in so how does that actually run our detoxification?  So can you go down and talk about our detoxification pathways?

Mary Vance:  I am really glad you brought that up actually because I think I even mentioned that on my website.  Is that when people are just doing this kind of raw vegan cleanses or whatever like you said, your body synthesizes these potent detoxifier.   And you know these detoxifying agents like glutathione for instance break by it through protein.  By breaking down protein and through amino acids and then the liver synthesizes these really potent N‑acetyl-cysteine and glutathione specifically antioxidants that it uses to boost detoxification.  And if you are deficient in those, you are not going to be detoxing.  And that is why a lot of these combination herbal products or nutrients they contain a lot of these amino acids and glutathione, N‑acetyl-cysteine specifically.  And so many people are deficient in those because again if they are vegetarians, and they are not eating much protein or they are not digesting or breaking down these proteins…

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Then that is one way that you are shortchanging your liver and you are not getting your full detox capacity met. 

Justin Marchegiani:  That is really important.  And I want to just underline one thing you said for the listeners.  Glutathione, our master antioxidant made from proteins, cysteine, glutamine and glycine.  So I think that is really, really important.  So in your detoxification program, do you have some type of general detoxification support that is amino acid based to help push that phase 1 and phase 2 pathways?

Mary Vance:  Oh yes, totally.  So I give people options.  They can remove the food that I suggest and you know there’s protein involved and then if they want to use the supplements, there are a lot of great functional food, the kind of smoothie mixes out there that can be used for detox programs.  And a lot of them, you know, we are talking about heavy metals earlier.  So a lot of them can help chelate some heavy metals out of the body.  They are from any of these companies but you know we use like Designs for Health.  And some of these companies, they have already put together packets that have antioxidants and the herbs in them and then the vitamins and minerals you need for detox and the amino acids.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Designs for Health have one of those called Amino-D-Tox which is full of amino acids.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  So it is really easy to find a great deal of detox support packets that you can use alongside your cleanse.   And that is when you are really kind of, you know, the food part is great to address of course but if you are also doing the supplemental support and getting fiber and making sure that you are pooping regularly then you have kind of the full spectrum in place there.

Justin Marchegiani:  A very interesting.  So if I am a patient and I want to work with you and want to do a really good cleanse.  Let us say, that my diet is already good.  How would we work together doing this cleanse?  How do we move forward?

Mary Vance:  Yes.  Well, again if you are working with me or a practitioner then you can really personalize it based on what your particular health concerns are.  And sometimes, I know you use the Organix Profile probably in your practice from Metametrix.  And these are really cool test because it gives you an idea exactly if your detox pathways are congested, you know, it will tell you specifically what imbalances you have.  So sometimes, I will recommend that to see exactly what is going on or working with them in terms of any deficiencies or that test can kind of reveal if you have SIBO issues or some gut stuff going on.  Because a lot of times, people think they want to do detox because they are like, “Oh, I am tired and I am bloated, etc.”  But really they need more specialized gut work and maybe do the gut works first and then the detox.  So it really, you know, again kind of depends on the person.  And then you can recommend any testing that might reveal some underlying issues going on and then kind of really personalize it based on what they need.     

Justin Marchegiani:  Got it.  So you have like your general support and then you might customize it based off some lab testing as well to see kind of what pathways maybe are not working.  Is that what you are saying?

Mary Vance:  Yes, exactly.  Or if I kind of flag them as being a potential digestive case then, I recommend some stool testing alongside the Organix Profile and see exactly what is going on and then maybe the detox is not the place to start.  Maybe back up a little bit farther down the road until you clean up the gut or maybe they need some detox and then clean up the gut, you know.  It really depends on what is going on.  

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, yes.  And just for the listeners at home, organic acid testing is the new cutting edge testing that involves looking at these metabolites in our body.  And essentially if we have metabolite A it gets converted to metabolites B, we know there are certain nutrients that are required to help make that A to B conversion.  And if we see a whole lot of A and a small amount of B then we are basically indirectly knowing that the nutrients that convert A to B are low.  And so we are able to come in there. We can look at all the different pathways that our body needs to detoxify and we can really customize things.  And that is kind of what Mary is talking about how she customizes her detoxification programs.

Mary Vance:  Yes, I love that test.  It is really cool.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, yes.  So talk to me about some of your favorite herbs to use when you detoxify patients. 

Mary Vance:  There are a lot of combinations out there.  There are tinctures as well.   And sometimes, if someone is not digesting food well then liquid herbal tinctures are the way to go.  But you will see combination herbal formulas with like Oregon Grape root and milk thistle.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Of course, those are really great antioxidants and have some liver healing capacity.  Those two are my favorite.  Then you will find like burdock root or ginger sometimes. But what is interesting is some of those herbs are kind of more liver protective and liver regenerative and some of them actually help the cleansing process.  And it helps to actually strengthen detox.  So a lot of people are just buying milk thistle because they have heard that they are great for detox but milk thistle is actually the best detox support.  It is incredibly good in healing for the liver.  But if you combine it with some of these other herbs then you get kind of the liver protective, regenerative and the detoxing herbs.

Justin Marchegiani:  Hmmm, very interesting.  So I am going to switch gears a little bit away from detoxification.

Mary Vance:  Uh-hum. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Now because you worked with so many patients, tell me about the three biggest mistakes most patients, let us say they are Paleo literate.  Let us say that they already know about Paleo.  They already studied it or maybe are already doing some Paleo things like cutting gluten out of their diets and such.  What are the three biggest mistakes you are seeing with patients?

Mary Vance:  Oh, this is a good one.  This is a fun topic.  Well, number one, like I have said earlier, it is always sleep.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  It is so incredibly rare that I find someone who is either sleeping well or sleeping enough or has good sleeping habits.  And my podcast partner Caitlin “Grass Fed Girl” and I have done several podcast just on sleep alone and good sleep hygiene.  And you know people are sleeping with their IPhones next to their head and sleeping with their Wi-Fi routers next to their heads and the TV on.  And you know, there are street noise and their rooms are not dark for their staying up too late, etc.  And that really alters your circadian rhythm and alters your adrenal function and it affects your cortisol levels.  We are just now reading a lot about how lack of sleep can really contribute to weight gain and causes a lot of hormone imbalance.  So that is a huge one.  And people, you still tell them, “Listen, you really have to work on sleep.” And they still do not believe you.  And then some people are really relieved and finally like, “Wow! Okay, great!  I have permission to get more sleep.  But the other big one, especially with the Paleo community, this is really, really common.  I get this a lot with women especially.  It seems to be really more predominantly women.  But they will say, “Oh my neighbor lost 50 pounds in Paleo.  I have gained 20 pounds.  What is going on?        

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, yes, I hear that a lot.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  And then they are completely baffled because they have read all the amazing testimonials for Paleo online and how it is a panacea, it cures everything, or GI issues, too.  I get that a lot.  But often times again, like I was saying earlier, there is never a one-size-fits-all approach.  So your neighbor’s Paleo diet is not going to be your Paleo Diet.  And often times they are just eating too much of a particular macronutrient for them.  They are eating tons of meat or maybe too much fat for their particular physiology.  Or if they are not digesting it well that can be another issue.  And I still tell people you know, I mean you need a lot of plant.  And obviously there are exceptions to that.  Again, sometimes too much fiber can be irritating to people if they have gut problems.

Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hum.

Mary Vance:  But it is usually, in their cross fitting, they are working out really intensely and that can be an issue, too.  If they have hormonal imbalances and severe adrenal fatigue and they are cross fitting themselves to death then you are going to have some weight loss resistance issues, too.  So sometimes people are not exercising, sometimes they are exercising too much.  They are not sleeping enough.  Or they might be eating Paleo but they have not adjusted their particular macronutrient ratio.  Though they are eating super low carb, you know, they are not getting enough carbohydrates and that can actually affect hormone balance especially for women.  Like I was saying, women have really delicate endocrine system.

Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hum.

Mary Vance:  So if they are eating way too low carbs and that can prevent weight loss and contributes to some hormonal imbalances, too.  Especially, it is seemingly thyroid related.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  Then talk to be about going too low carb.  Now how are you customizing the macronutrients?  Because I would see some people that they do really well doing low carb.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  But others don’t.  So how are you customizing that?  How are looking into adjusting it?

Mary Vance:  Well, yes.  Another thing that is kind of hot right now as everyone wants to try is ketogenic diet.  And again, that seems to work really well with people who have like 50 or more pounds of weight to lose.  And that is as you know is kind of low protein and high fat and really low carb.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  But it is kind of a pain but it is really important information for everyone to track exactly what they are eating everyday and get their macronutrient ratio break down and see, “Okay, well I am only getting 10% of my calories from carbohydrates and that is really low.”  That might be too low for some people.  So it is really kind of takes all the fun out of eating basically to have to like count your carbs and track your percentages of how much protein, fat and carbs you are getting.   But I have people do that at least for a little while just to get a ballpark.  But most people I think for weight loss tend to do well with under a 100 grams of carbohydrates and then again it totally depends on the person. And if they are working to resolve some hormonal imbalances or other issues going on and then again with the ketogenic diet that everyone is kind of hopping on that bandwagon right now.  Like I said, for some reason it seems like people who have not very much weight to lose do not do well on that.  It can really make them feel poorly and people with a lot of weight to lose seem to do well.  What has been your experience with that working with people?

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  I mean, I see men always tend to do very well.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And then some women will come in and they won’t do as well and there’s typically an underlying thyroid or female hormone issue that tends to, need to be addressed.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And then also, I think people get the wrong mindset.   They are under the impression that all right, “Well, we are going to lose weight because then we get healthy.”

Mary Vance:  Oh yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And I think, I think the causality is reversed, is you get healthy then you lose weight.  And women they just have these beautiful, intricate cycle that is kind of like a symphony that is up then down.  For men, just constant, a straight line like an eeehhh, that is a straight hormone line throughout them hormonally.

Mary Vance:  Laughs. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And then the women have the symphony going on.  So you just take off one instrument out of the symphony or time it up wrong that symphony just sounds like noise.  Or like men just have this fog horn going the whole month.

Mary Vance:  Laughs 

Justin Marchegiani:  So definitely that is one of the big things I see, the hormones.

Mary Vance:  Yes, that is a really great point, too.  Because as you know, I know you specialize and work with Hashimoto’s and hypothyroid cases. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  Another thing that really gets me is that I will ask every woman who is either struggling with weight loss or I suspect hormonal imbalance, “when did you have blood work done?”  And then they will always say, “Oh my lab work is normal.  My lab work is normal.”  But you look at the lab work and there’s a huge range for your TSH which is what doctors use to primarily diagnose.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And let us say their TSH is 4 and you know that is not flagged as abnormal on the lab test.  And as you know, there is an ideal range and then there is this huge range in the lab test.   So you get a lot of people who are like kind of they are flying into the radar and they have T4, T3, TSH imbalances going on.  And that is when you want to do the more sophisticated panels and sometimes that is what some people do.  (Laughs)   

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  Yes, and you want to scratch your head even more because you can take a blood test on the East Coast and your TSH is 5 and you are considered normal because 5.5 is the normal for the East Coast.  And then you go to the West Coast and then it is 4.5 and now you are suddenly hypothyroid.  So I say the easiest cure for hypothyroid is just a plane flight, you know?

Mary Vance:  (Laughs)

Justin Marchegiani:  Just go to from the West Coast to the East Coast.  (Laughs)

Mary Vance:  That is pretty awesome.  And the worst thing is then they give you Synthroid and send you on your way.  And then those were the other people that I got.  They would say, “I have been taking Synthroid and absolutely nothing has happened to me.  I do not feel any better but my lab work is great.”  It is either a Hashimoto situation going on, and then it is not your thyroid’s fault, you know.  It an immune system issue.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  I do not want to talk about leaving out our conventional medical system because obviously it has its strengths.  But that is the one thing that gets me.  I have these people that are so frustrated working with endocrinologists and they never ask them how they are feeling.  They just look at their lab work and send them on their way.  And then people are still feeling really poorly and you know they have autoimmune issues then they are told, “Oh, if you have autoimmune it is still the same treatment,” you know?

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.  Right.  And then like the assumption that we can look at a brain hormone, i.e. TSH.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And then we can make this general assumption that this is the same thing as thyroid hormone.  Well, we can just test thyroid hormone and we can be very accurate that way.  We can look at T3 and T4 free and total but we will just look at the brain hormone and we will base everything off of that one test, even though it is totally indirect.

Mary Vance:  Yes, exactly, exactly.  And then I have a lot of people too, they will have a full thyroid panel at hand and it say that have their antibodies are really high which indicates Hashimoto’s and no one has told them that.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  No, my endocrinologist never said anything and my doctor never said anything.  I do not know what you are talking about.  You know they have been walking around with Hashimoto’s then it is not being addressed and then it is just, you know, kind of backward.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes, and I think it is really important for anyone listening.  Like the training that I have had, the training that you have had, this is not training that is available to people in the conventional mainstream medical school setting.  You really have to go outside, kind of the conventional scope.  You have to go study from doctors that have been in the trenches for decades.  And you take classes with people that are already doing this.  It is not something that is in the conventional setting.  So I think a lot of people just think, “Oh, well my doctor went to this medical school or that medical school.”  These things are not being taught.  It is so cutting edge and for the most part, anything the doctor is learning in medical school is about 20 to 30 years old.  It is very outdated.  Most of what a doctor learns is clinical or in their residency but I think that is an important assumption that people really need to readjust that.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  Those are really good points.  They only have maybe one section that they need to require for nutrition.  And so your endocrinologist is never going to ask you what you are eating.  And many times your doctor is not either.  Or they have such ancient information about what you should be eating for health and there is still kind of the low-fat dogma and exercise more and eat less fat or whatever they are saying. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  But yes, I mean that is why this holistic health community and alternative medicine is really, you know, our whole goal here is to find the root cause as well and not just keep treating symptoms.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  And I spoke with a Stanford physician recently.  You know, Stanford is probably in the top 10 for medical schools in the US.  It is pretty renowned.  And I asked her about her nutrition training while in school.  And she had to take I think a two credit class and it was online.  And you did not even have to show up.  You could just take the test at the end.  That was your nutrition class.

Mary Vance:  I know. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And I am like, “Oh my gosh! Like how can this doctor who just studies to know and at the end takes the test, how are they going to have the same kind of knowledge that when you spend thousands of hours I imagine in your nutrition program over at the school you went to?  How can they compare?

Mary Vance:  Well, and the other thing that I just do not understand is people really, I mean disease just does not, I mean in the majority of cases, right?  And the majority of cases disease does not just kind of spontaneously occur, you know.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  There are a thousand factors that go into this and the biggest one I think, one of the biggest ones is what you are eating and what you are putting in your mouth everyday.  And that is going to also impact your stress level and inflammation.  And we know that stress and inflammation are kind of the first parts of imbalance that occur. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  You know, I do not understand why we are still going along and that connection is not really being addressed in the conventional medical world?  

Justin Marchegiani:  Well, I know hundreds of people are finding your website, reading your blogs and checking out your podcasts and buying your products so people are I think slowly changing.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  It is just a matter of time before they see five-ten doctors and you know, it is all in their heads.  Or if their hormones are out of balance here some birth control pills.  Or here is an antidepressant or it is you are just getting older.  Don’t you love that one?

Mary Vance:  Oh, my gosh! 

Justin Marchegiani:  You are just getting older.

Mary Vance:  Oh, I know you I am sure get tons of people who, I feel so bad for these people.  They have been through the ringer with like GI doctors, and endoscopies, even colonoscopies, and they have had biopsies and they say, “Yes, they just gave me an IBS diagnosis because they cannot find anything wrong with me.”     

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And then they send them on their way and the reason that they need that diagnosis just so they can prescribe drugs.  And obviously the drugs are not necessarily going to heal the disease.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Or the underlying cause but at least the person will be able to function.  And obviously there is something going on.  And that is what they will say, “Well, maybe you should consider an antidepressant.”

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  Exactly and I was watching House, MD.  I am just starting the show.  The show has been on for like 10 years but I got Netflix

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And I get to go through, you know, like just back-to-back-to-back.  You are going to go on like your weekend binge of whatever show you are checking out.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  But in that show, it’s the epitome because one, there was like two really cool things that happened.  If you have not seen the episode, spoiler alert but the girl that has brain issue, it’s a parasite!  Oh, my gosh!  I could not believe it because conventional medicine, you know, their parasites only exist in the third world.  So it was a parasite and it fixed her.  But number two, the other guy that comes that is having all the problems, the fatigue, the soreness.  And he is like, “Oh, it is fibromyalgia, it is chronic fatigue.”  Well, he goes out and he gets these M&M’s, you know like candies that did not have like any, you know, they are just kind of bland looking.  Put them in a bottle and just said it was medication and said here you go.

Mary Vance:  Laughs. 

Justin Marchegiani:  So basically, the message is: if your fatigued, if you are in pain, you are tired; it is all in your head.

Mary Vance:  In your head. 

Justin Marchegiani:  And then at the very end he comes back wanting a prescription refilled, basically proving that he is right.  It is all in our heads.  But if you go on the scientific literature, like low thyroid, adrenal fatigue and gut infections can cause chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.   So it kind of supports exactly what you are saying.

Mary Vance:  Oh, yes.  And our system is kind of a disease-based model and not preventive-based model.  So those are the people that are flying into the radar because they have these subclinical imbalances or things going on that are not serious enough to prescribe drugs for, be detected and then that is how actual, real more serious diseases take hold if you do not kind of focus on these little underlying imbalances first.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  I totally agree.  Can you tell me more about like who is your ideal patient?  Like who are the people that are coming to see you from all over the world?

Mary Vance: I specialize in Women’s’ Health and hormone balance so I see a lot of digestive cases.  And I do like those cases because those like I was describing that person who has been to five different gastroenterologists and had so many of her tests done and still do not feel better.  Because even making a few dietary changes right away will give them relief while you are kind of working on healing the other stuff.  So a lot of digestive wellness.  And then like you, a lot of immune cases, Hashimoto’s, hypothyroid.  Those are all really satisfying cases to work with because people just feel so much better.  And just educating them about what is going on with them that nobody has told them about and then giving then a good protocol or trying an autoimmune diet.  So it is mostly fertility, women’s health and hormones and digestive wellness.  And of course the detox piece, too.  

Justin Marchegiani:  Got it.   And you mentioned a lot of digestive issues with these female patients.  What percent of the people that are having these infections even have digestive symptoms?

Mary Vance:  Oh, gosh!  That is scary.  If you know that there are, when you run these profiles, or they do not really realize that what they are having are kind of nagging issues that they would not even necessarily, or they can cut normal.  You know, they think they are kind of burping a lot or feeling bloated at the end of the day.  But these food allergy symptoms and digestive issues manifest as different, you know, just being tired all the time can definitely indicate a GI problem as well.  It totally depends on the person, you know?

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  So there is a lot to answer your question.

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Yes, there is a lot of people that do not really have serious GI issues, you know but there is something going on in there and they are not aware of it until you run a test.

Justin Marchegiani:  Hmm, hmm, very interesting.  And what is your experience with resistance starch been like?  That is kind of like a big hoopla in the Paleo community.

Mary Vance:  Yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  So what is your experience?

Mary Vance:  That has really kind of taken off.    

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  And I have just started sort of researching it and reading about it.  But, obviously, you know, the resistance starches resist digestion.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  So you know, I think that the people are jumping on that bandwagon because it improves insulin sensitivity, it can lower blood sugar levels.  But I am kind of just starting to do more research on that and I think it can be really useful in a lot of people.  So what have you seen?

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  I mean, I think for me, it has been diagnostic for picking up SIBO.

Mary Vance:  Yes, yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  I think some people do really well because they can increase butyric acid in the gut.   And butyric acid is really beneficial at lowering the pH and preventing bad bacteria from growing, especially people that are on lower carbohydrate diets.

Mary Vance:  Uh-humm.    

Justin Marchegiani:  There are these certain bacteria called Eubacterium rectale or Roseburia bacteria.  And when you go low carb these things get like really obliterated.  But if you do a little bit of resistant starch even while you keep a low carb diet you can keep that beneficial bacteria up.  So I think there are a lot of good benefits especially if you are someone that goes super low carb and you may get constipated.  In my opinion, that is the reason why people may get constipated on low carbs.  Even if they are not on the veggies and/or that bacteria starts shifting in your colon.

Mary Vance:  Yes, yes.  And I know that people are kind of using raw potato starch. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  I definitely think that using it for diagnostic tool is really valuable for SIBO.  But again as we were talking earlier I guess off air about people are going to their doctors and getting tests for this stuff that are not showing up until you either run more sophisticated stool profiles or you are kind of doing these little experiment with their diet and that is helping and it is really going to start to show up.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  And you like potato starch over like plantains or over banana starch?  What is your take on those?

Mary Vance:  Potato starch can actually kind of mess with certain people. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-humm.

Mary Vance:  And so I do not really use that one.  I know that it is kind of a popular one and people are using Bob’s Red Mill, I think. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  Potato starch.  Yes I am more inclined to use kind of the ones you suggest and necessarily that would be my go to. But I know with a lot of the articles I read, that is one of the main ones that is recommended.  What do you see with that?   

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  I have seen the same.  Anyone who has autoimmune I always just default to the banana or plantain.

Mary Vance:  Oh yes, because that has some irritants for autoimmune issues, yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes. I mean you get the alpha-solanine in the potato but some people are like, “Oh, but it makes us better.”  I am like, “All right, well as long as you are not autoimmune then we can try it.”  So I always recommend getting both and see which you gravitate towards.

Mary Vance:  Uh-humm. 

Justin Marchegiani:  I gravitate towards the plantain now or the unripen banana for sure.

Mary Vance:  Yes, and they are also delicious.  (Laughs)  

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  You can just mix it in with your shake, too.

Mary Vance:  Yes, yes. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  That’s cool.

Mary Vance:  Yes.

Justin Marchegiani:  Well, tell me about, this maybe like a little bit off topic or it maybe a little difficult for you to pull up the information.  Tell me about your most popular blog post.  Because I know you are a big blogger in the…

Mary Vance:  Uh-humm.    

Justin Marchegiani:  So what is like the things that the people there coming at maryvancenc.com, what are they looking up?

Mary Vance:  So probably the biggest post, the two biggest posts I can think of, well three, (Laughs) the biggest one is on adrenal fatigue.   

Justin Marchegiani:  Ah, yes.

Mary Vance:  Kind of healing a hormone imbalance.  And I think I even started off even in that post saying that you know most doctors won’t even address, you know, if people go to their physicians and say, their primary care doctors and say, “God I am so tired, you know.”    

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  That is not even really recognized by the conventional medical system at all.   That is a huge post.  Then treating candida.  You know, yeast overgrowth.  I got tons of hits on that blog post.  And then just 10 really easy daily detox tips.  Because after you, let us say, you have done all this work and you have cleaned up your gut and you got your liver detox pathways running smoothly again and you want to make sure, that is another huge question that I get asked.  How do I make sure my hormone levels do not tank again?

Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Mary Vance:  Well, there are daily lifestyle habits that you can do to, just daily detox like dry skin brushing or we were talking about like the hot water with lemon.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  Or including liver friendly foods, sitting in a sauna.  You know, exercise, sweating.  There are tons of ways that you can support your liver daily.  And also if you are working on healing hypothyroidism or hormone imbalances, you know just making sure that your lifestyle factors are in place in the most critical factor.  You can be doing everything right with taking your supplements everyday and eating but if you are staying up all night and chugging coffee and your stress levels up to the roof, you are not going to get well.     

Justin Marchegiani:  Right, right.  And on your site, you talked a lot about essential oil.  I know you like the Young Living Essential Oil company.  Can you tell me more about kind of like your take on essential oils?  Like the biggest three things that you would use them with in your life.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  You know while we were speaking earlier when you are talking about your cat scratch infection.  The Thieves Oil… (Laughs)

Justin Marchegiani:  Thieves, yes, yes.  Actually I have doTerra so I would do on guard.  But yes.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  And you can put that actually directly on it, too.  But I really love using essential oils.  My main caution that I tell people though is that I think that people are using a lot of these oils internally.  And you need to be kind of careful with how you are using them internally because we are still not sure exactly.  You know, there is a lot of evidence that peppermint, which is one of my favorites.  You are asking me about my favorites, peppermint is one of my favorites because it is really uplifting and cooling and it can relieve headaches pretty instantly and it can be very soothing for IBS type people.  Then there is evidence though because it is killing off certain gut bacteria.  And then if someone has SIBO for instance and they have an overgrowth of… That is what SIBO is basically bacteria in the wrong place and overgrowth of what is not considered bad bacteria.  It is just in the wrong place and there is too much of it and it can kill some of that off.  And so we do not know necessarily if it is killing off good gut flora.  So there is a lot of debate out there actually whether or not oils are safe to ingest.  And I think there are several that you can ingest safely.  But I do caution people about, you know you cannot take all these oils internally.  But I am a really big fan of some of these blends.  I have been really kind of focusing on the meditation practice and there are a lot of them that have specific oils in them to help deepen the meditation practice.  There is one that Young Living has the grounding blends and Believe.  And they have like balsam in them and different kinds of frankincense, especially.

Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Mary Vance:  So I like those blends.  And I love peppermint and lemon oil that can be good for detox.  And I do, I love frankincense and myrrh, too because those are really great for your skin.  So it is super fun to dabble with and I think that diffusing then and inhaling them it can really provide a lot of stress relief for people.  And like I said, using them alongside kind of yoga or meditation practice because they smell nice and they make you feel good.    

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.  What is your take on Valor?  You like Valor?

Mary Vance:  Oh Yes.  I love that one.  But Valor is also super popular.  I think they run out of it all the time.  People use that for kind of self-esteem and confidence and again it smelled awesome.  But I heard a lot of people who use that to reduce anxiety. And so yes, I think that they can be really good.  We reviewed this kind of like amazing testimonials about essential oil all the time.   I think that they can be a really good kind of lifestyle habit to help people when they are kind of working on healing.  And they are natural.

Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Mary Vance:  They are all plant based. 

Justin Marchegiani:  Oh yes.  Absolutely.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  They are really strong and they work pretty well.

Justin Marchegiani:  Very cool.  So is there anything else that you would like the listeners to know about you or anything on your radar screen that is really important to you right now?

Mary Vance:  Well, I would just say, you know if anyone wants to go to my website like you said, maryvancenc.com, there are tons of resources on there. And I actually recently written about my meditation practice and what I have kind of done to start help maybe get focused and grounded and centered.  And there are all my popular post listed and you can download my e-book.  So yes, I got it all in there and poke around.  It is not only just nutrition articles.  It is obviously, you know, with this holistic model like I was saying, it is lifestyle, wellness, sleep, stress, exercise, emotional well-being and there are recipes and just articles about nutrition on there, too.

Justin Marchegiani:  Very cool.  Her name is Mary Vance.  You can find her at www.maryvancenc.com.  Feel free and check out her detox program.  Also if you need coaching, she is available as well.  And also Mary has a podcast called HealthNuts podcast.  They are on sabbatical right now while her counterpart finishes her book.

Mary Vance:  Laughs 

Justin Marchegiani:  But feel free to check out lots of great old episodes of really good interviews and check out the Facebook, twitter, LinkedIn and all the good channels there.  Thank you so much, Mary for coming on the show.

Mary Vance:  Yes.  Thanks so much for having me, Justin.  It is always fun to chat about these stuff.

Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely.  Take care.

Mary Vance:  Okay, bye, bye.

Justin Marchegiani:  Bye.

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