Top 5 Strategies to Handle Stress and Fear during the Current Global Health Concern | Podcast #277
Because of current global health concerns, stress is a common thing to most people nowadays because it affects businesses, economy, and so much more. Stress can affect our body negatively, but Dr. Justin and Evan Brand are here to help. Today’s podcast is about conquering fear and stress. Dr. Justin and Evan share strategies on how we handle stress during current events, the herbs or supplements that can help, foods to take and so much more. More on the podcast below.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
0:54 Strategies to Relieve Stress
11:22 Emotional Freedom Technique
16:30 Herbs and Nutrients that Help
21:20 Sauna, Acupressure
28:19 Fresh Goods, Foods for Stress
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. Today’s podcast is going to be about conquering fear. In the uncertain times a lot of this has to do with coronavirus in the economy and jobs and people having to be isolated at home. We’re going to talk about some natural strategies. Evan Brand, how are we doing today, man?
Evan Brand: Hey, man, I’m doing well. I’m looking forward to helping people relax a little bit. My wife and I have discussed that even if you don’t personally freak out. If society around you is freaking out, that kind of rubs off on you. And even if you’re not an empathic person, you could still go into the grocery store and see things wiped out and that could make you feel unsettled, uncertain, so I can’t restock the grocery store shelves. What I hope to do is you and I talk about strategies to help kind of mitigate that stress response and try to turn off that reptilian brain that fight or flight nervous system that’s freaking people out.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. I think number one is to stop listening to the mainstream media. That’s like number one. The first thing is you have to get context. And context requires you to take in data. And if people are giving you data that’s skewed or omitting data to push your physiology and your emotions in a certain direction. That’s not good. That’s not good. So my general recommendation is if you are going to listen to the media, you have to compartmentalize things. You have to be able to compartmentalize the emotion, from the facts and from the data from what’s happening. That’s kind of like number one. And if you don’t have that ability to really compartmentalize, you just got to find some more time new sources online that just kind of give you the data and not give you the opinion most news out there is editorialized it’s someone telling you their opinion, and there’s not a lot of facts or evidence behind it. So you really want to look at just the data. So then you can kind of come in there and make a more unbiased, a non biased kind of perspective on it and then find news people that if they’re going to give you their opinion, have it backed by data and then also have context we can talk about context. We’ve talked about this in our pre show. What’s happening today is what’s the context for it, you know, past examples of it. I think we are in uncharted times because the economy just went to hell in a handbasket. There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy. Essentially, everyone just decided to go on furlough for hopefully a couple of weeks because of the virus scare. So there’s nothing fundamentally wrong. This isn’t the 2008 housing crisis where millions and millions of loans were given out to people that couldn’t pay them, right. This isn’t that, okay? This is something totally different is nothing fundamentally wrong. And this too shall pass. So I think at first off regarding the economy, just know nothing fundamentally is wrong, number one. Number two, there’s countries that are doing great out there that had, let’s say, a lot of viral impact like South Korea, South Korea, for instance, is the size of California. I think it’s like 35 million people. So Korea did an amazing job getting through the virus. A lot of I think They had a little bit more common sense tactics because the the virus the corona virus is hitting elderly at a much higher rate. I mean, barely anyone on the younger side is actually passing from it. And then when we can play when we compare flu statistics, it doesn’t even come close yet it will come to a crescendo to a bell curve on this thing. And it will go up a little bit, but it will come back down very soon. And just know just know that with South Korea, they quarantine all the elderly, and they quarantine the sick and the immunocompromised and they kept their economy relatively moving. And I’m hoping that that’s what we’re going to move to in the next couple of weeks here. Right now. We’re just trying to compress that bell curve to decrease our hospitals need and usage from all the people needing vents and support at the same time. So hopefully after this couple of weeks, we’ll have a more common sense approach that can get the economy going. So I’m far more concerned about the economy long term being destroyed, the people being homeless and and not having the utilities or the food or the resource they need to act to be healthy and survive.
Evan Brand: Right. Yeah, that’s a great point. You mentioned how all these statistics that come out are people saying certain things, if they’re not backed up, you don’t want to get to, to fear monger by them. So for example, you’ll look at some of these news articles where they’ll say that they expect X amount of infection and X amount of death. But so far every prediction has been under what it was supposed to be. So if they say a million people are going to get infected, so far, it’s a tiny fraction of that you’ve got 35 million illnesses of the influenza this year, and we’re still counting. You’ve got 35 to 50,000. The numbers aren’t final on the flu. And no one’s blinked at anything. So I just I don’t foresee these numbers getting even close to the numbers of the flu. I guess maybe I’ll be proven wrong. And I’ll go back and look at this interview. And everybody’s gonna say, Wow, Evan was so dumb, he was wrong. But I don’t foresee that big of a spike where we’re going to get to a 50,000 death point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I don’t see that either. And again, people will talk and say, Hey, you guys are using reason, logic and evidence and truth but that’s going to create your responsibility. And, and if we’re not creating hysteria, people aren’t going to do the right thing. Well, I reject the premise. I think number one, people need to hear the truth, unbiased, and then actual action steps people can take that are going to empower them. So like number one, we want to have comparison that data. Okay, so first off, what is it last night it was 450 people dead of the corona virus in about three, three and a half weeks. Last week, about 1000 people died of the flu. Okay, thousand people. So let’s keep that in perspective. Let’s go look at past occurrences. Let’s look at the swine flu. Okay, over 100,000 people pass the the swine flu in this country, a million in the world. We didn’t have we did not have a national emergency call for the swine flu until we were six months into it in 1000 people had died. So there’s just not a there’s not there’s no symmetry or parody in how one response is handled versus is the common response. And then number two, if we look at the World Health Organization, the amount of like the statistics and what they say the infection is going to do or kill is always wrong initially. And if we go look at what the recommendations are, what they projected with the swine flu, I think it was like 1.4% death rate, and they ended up revising it down four years later, 2.01% they were off by a factor of 63 X, okay, why? Because when you look at pandemics they have the middle number here is gonna be how many people die. That’s number one. The second number is how many people actually got the virus. Now, this is the hard part. Because in the beginning, we don’t have all this data. We have people that have symptoms, and that test positive. So we know that number, but then the outer data is how many people got it and didn’t get sick. Now according to the head, the head CDC person in Ontario, Canada, forget his name, but he said there’s More than likely 20 x times the amount of people who are getting this infection and showing no symptoms. One study I posted on the YouTube video last week said 86% are asymptomatic. What does that mean? That means about for every one person that has symptoms seven to eight don’t have symptoms. So once you factor in the bigger number that decreases the mortality, right? As incidence goes up, mortality drops, just basic math, right? So we have to know that off the bat, because that’s going to decrease a lot of the a lot of the fear, right? When you know that these pandemics always get rounded down significantly. That’s the trend and the reason why is because pandemic math takes time to do because you need to let the dust settle, and you need to get some testing to figure it out. So my general perspective is right now testing helps with the long term trends but it doesn’t help you get better because you do a test. It doesn’t change anything. Okay? If you high risk quarantine If you have symptoms, quarantine, if not do all the good, healthy social distancing, but still get outside still get air still walk, still get sunlight. If you have a sauna, or you have access to any exercise inside kettlebells or a trx or some kind of in house yoga, do something to get some movement in there. Don’t be you know, don’t just be totally isolated in this time. It’s really important.
Evan Brand: Yeah, well said and I’ve got just a couple more stats I want to mention. And then let’s talk about some of the lifestyle stuff, maybe some herbs and nutrients to help with the nervous system. So our mutual friend say your G. Green Med info, he had a really good article linking to some of these Italian studies that just got published by the National Health Authority in Italy. More than 99% of the coronavirus. fatalities were people already suffering from previous medical conditions. And also more than 75% had high blood pressure issues in 35% had diabetes and at least 30% or more already had heart disease. And the average age of someone passing is 79.5 years old. So 99% they already had previous medical conditions.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and not to mention, because I’m looking at all the data, I look at it multiple times a day and I graph it out so I can understand the bigger trends. The thing with Italy, they’re getting hit a lot harder than other countries. And I sit there I asked the questions Why? Well, number one, the biggest thing that we can do in the beginning is a travel ban. That’s the biggest thing because that just decreases exposure, right? The whole reason why we’re quarantine quarantine is decreasing exposure. That’s essentially a quarantine for a country so to speak. So that was the number one thing that we did that Italy and the rest of Europe didn’t do. Okay. Number two is a lot of smoking, a lot of respiratory potential issues there. A lot of comorbidity, like you mentioned 123 different diseases, a lot of multi generational household living, where kids and parents can pass the infection off to grandparents that may also be living in the same home. Okay, and then also how they are collecting the data in Italy, maybe a little bit off. So essentially, you’re 80 years old and you die of a heart attack, you come in, they test you for Corona virus, they may say that, you know, they may add you to a Corona virus statistic even though you died of a heart attack, because you tested positive with Corona virus. So we have to, you know, hate is that happening is that inflating statistics, so we’re gonna have to look at all the data and compare in the end to see if that is the case or not. And then, um, you know, number two, we’re going to have to also compare flu deaths because in the end, Italy on average at about 25,000 deaths a year because of flu. So a lot. They had 500,000 cases of flu the week of January 20. That’s a lot. And if you look at people dying a flu with comorbidities at point 9% Well, that’s that’s a lot of people potentially dying of the flu. That’s potentially four to 5000 people dying of flu in one week. If they are That higher comorbidity age, right? So a lot of people maybe be taken out by Corona virus that may not be taken out by flu. Does that make sense? So we may be exchanging some Corona virus test for flu deaths, we’ll have to see how it all parses out. So what we’ll do is we’ll look at the overall mortality curve. And we’ll see if that includes all deaths, and we’ll see if that changes at all. See if there’s a spike in that or not.
Evan Brand: Yep, yeah. Well said, All right. Well, let’s move on. Let’s talk about some actual strategies now that we kind of laid the groundwork here. Yep. I think the easiest thing for me that comes to mind which is free is EFT. You and I are both big fans of Emotional Freedom Technique, the tapping technique, you can basically just look up any website. I mean, it’s all the same. There’s a couple different ways people could tap but in general, you’re starting at top of the head side of the eye under the eye, and then you can move on to under the nose, the chin, the clavicle, and there’s different acupressure meridians. Basically what this is, is acupuncture without the needles. It’s amazing. You could create a change in your nervous system. Very quickly is this just some like hippy BS? No, it’s not. I’ve actually put on a heart rate variability monitor, I strap myself up. That’s one time that I use Bluetooth in my life is when I’m strapping a Bluetooth monitor to my chest and I hook it up to my phone with a heart rate variability app and I’ll do three rounds of tapping. And I’ll just think and say something like, I’m calm, I’m calm, I let go, I release my stress, and then boom, the heart rate variability increases, indicating I’m more in a parasympathetic rest and digest state, and it can happen in as little as 30 seconds.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And what I also like about EFT is some people when they’re in a negative perspective, it’s hard to be like, think about what you want. Think about what you want to manifest. That’s hard. So with EFT you can also just talk about the problem. Hey, I’m really stressed over the economy. I’m really stressed with my job. I’m really stressed being inside right now. I’m feeling really isolated. So you can kind of just talk about the problem with yourself while you’re tapping these different meridian points. And it’s helpful because sometimes people just want to Talk about it. And if you don’t have someone to talk about it with, you could just talk to yourself while you hit these meridian points, which then comes down the sympathetic nervous system, which helps you process it better. And then as you come down from it, then I recommend switching like, Hey, you know, I’m attracting health in my life, I’m doing the right things to be healthy. I’m really blessed and fortunate in my health, and you can kind of do some of the Attractor Factor stuff where you focus more on what you want to pull in versus the problem, but it’s hard because if you’re, if the if your nervous system is on edge, you kind of have to calm it down before you can get appreciative and grateful and thankful.
Evan Brand: You’re totally right. I already feel better. I was noticing I was taking some more belly breaths than I was when we first started just after doing that. So the clavicle one. I don’t know why but the clavicle one for me, if you can only do one like if you’re driving the car for some reason, or you just you’re in a place where you’re in panic mode where you can’t think about going through the full motions of the EFT, then even just clavicle. I’m calm. I’m calm, just something like that could be enough to settle You down. And like I said, this is not just something we’re making up. There’s practitioners that they literally only do EFT that goes to show how powerful it is meaning they’re not doing lab testing and supplements and other things that we’re doing. They’re just teaching you to do EFT. And that’s their, that’s their practice. And that is successful. So it does work.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And I’ll tell you, the big thing is bugged me the most right now is the hysteria because I personally don’t think it’s proportionate. And I’m just concerned that the hysteria will go on a little bit too long and have a negative impact on the economy. And I want people to have their jobs and their lifestyle and we’ll support their families I’m more concerned longer term with the economy then this blip we’re going to get through the viral blip no problem. And we should still social distance and anyone that has risk factors should do more in quarantine. But um, yeah, so we have to we have to talk about, you know, what the issues are and then also what strategies are so, you already mentioned the EFT that’s great. Also do something to boost your immune system. Most people are talking about washing their hands and social distancing. That’s the equivalent if you have a income issue like you have, you’re in debt, that’s the equivalent of like cutting down your spending. Great, that’s awesome. You cut down your spending, you curtail your spending. But what about the other side which is increase your income? Hey, let’s do some gigs let’s Uber at night let’s let’s try to make more calls at work let’s try to maybe work harder or think about it differently or apply for a different job meaning we’re trying to get more income in so getting more income in my example, is getting a higher level of immune function.
Evan Brand: And why is that not the headline? Explain to me why you think I mean, okay, if it were so important and and in the media, or whoever’s putting out all these these kind of fear based articles, if they cared that much about the old people or whoever or society? Why would there not be hey, here’s so and so’s top 10 strategies to boost your immune system. Why is that not the top headline?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I think if it bleeds, it leads, right? Into Solution oriented and it puts you in the driver’s seat and makes you feel good about it. It’s not as much traction not as much clicks. So I think a lot of it you have to understand that there’s money to be made on manipulating your fears and emotion and when you understand that you’re in the driver’s seat. So once you get that perspective, you’re in the driver’s seat. So common sense things and again, these are generalized things. We have people out there that are like well, you have to customize it. Hey, this is not the time for customization. These are good generalized tips. Number one, vitamin D levels, getting them up is adequate. Great study posted this morning on vitamin adequate vitamin D being very helpful to acute respiratory infections. Now again, if you have vitamin D and you take too much of it fine, but you know, most people are low in vitamin D, especially this time of the year. Number two is a lot of the herbs and nutrients we mentioned last week, we can go over them briefly. Astragalus immune boosting, vitamin C is going to be immune boosting and acetylcysteine will help with the lungs and mucus that also decreases viral replicate elderberry kind of works on that neuraminidase pathway and inhibits viral viruses as well. Reishi or medicinal mushrooms, immune boosting, those are just kind of four or five right there. A vitamin A, cod liver oil, really helps with the epithelium and helps improve immune function. What else Evan, do you want to add?
Evan Brand: I would say oral and nebulize glutathione could be helpful, especially if you’re someone who does actually end up with some lung problems. nebulized glutathione can really help to open up that breathing pathway. And I’m not going to say hey, if you’re in the ICU that nebulized glutathione is going to cure you I’m not saying that but am I saying it could be helpful? Absolutely.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. And um, if I’m in the hospital man, I’m having them drip IV vitamin C I’m going to have them drip. I’m going to try to have them nebulized glutathione you may not be able to get this done in the hospital so don’t have your own. Try to have your own stack ready ahead of time I have my own nebulizer. I have my own. You know silver I’m ready to nebulize or glutathione if I need right now. I’m just doing knack. That’s enough, but I may do around here. After our call and do some nebulize go to file just to get my levels ready to go. What that does is that up regulates your redox pathways, okay? Your redox pathways are the pathways, they work in your mitochondria and they give off electrons to help stabilize oxidative stress and excess inflammation. So a lot of these infections are going to create inflammation and inflammation is gonna create a whole bunch of issues and can result in pneumonia and and decrease oxygen exchange and all these different things that require a ventilator and antibiotics. So the more we can squelch that fire, right, and support the immune system, because glutathione also modulates the T regulatory cells which help with the immune response. It’s going to help you not even pray, right. We want to be in the 10 to 20 X of people that get sick and have no symptoms. That’s what we want to be.
Evan Brand: Yep, absolutely.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s important right there too. So let’s just let’s hammer that. 90 plus percent of people that get sick, have no symptoms and get Guess what, you’re probably going to have lifetime immunity. So if we’re if we’re concerned about getting sick, well, why don’t we lead with the information you have a 90% chance of getting the virus and having no symptoms at all and having lifetime immunity? How about that? That’s pretty awesome.
Evan Brand: Yeah, well, you know, what’s interesting to my mom called me because she’s in Las Vegas and Las Vegas is basically shut down, because of all that all the casinos and the industry basically just kind of closed up overnight. And she asked me the question, she said, Evan, I looked up the symptoms, and all I could find were really like fever and cough. So she was asking me, why is everybody saying, well, this many people infected this person tested positive, that person tested positive, as if it’s a death sentence if you get a positive result? And I told her Well, I think what you said was very true, which is what I told her if it bleeds, it leads, the numbers take away from the reality of the symptoms like Senator Rand Paul tested positive. He says he has zero symptoms. He feels perfectly fine. He’s amazing and ready to work. So I just told her that if they try to change the story of Tom Hanks tested positive, but yet he feels great. That does that doesn’t sound very good. That’s not a very good article instead is Oh my god, Tom. Tom tested positive. Here’s what he’s doing, you know.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and I saw a study or information I think by the who and an article over the weekend that 95 to 99% of people that are going in that think they have coronavirus and they get tested. don’t have it. And I heard one anecdote this weekend from a doctor at a hospital in upstate New York. And I’m not sure how true this is a couple but they said yeah, hey, we have over 100 people in our hospital right now that are sick. Not one Corona. They’re all flu, which statistically makes sense. That’s why I’m like, man, I don’t understand if 35 million people are getting flu and, and like 1% of them are hospital. So a lot of people that are coming in from flu, you would think a lot of these hospitals are already occupied with flu, and that we’d be used to that level. So we’ll have to see how All flushes out statistically, I’m really, really peaked. So in general, in general, look at the data and just know you have a much higher chance, especially if you’re under the age of 6570. And you don’t have any respiratory issues, you know? Yeah. All right. And then if you do if you do do all the extra things to help those redox pathways work NAC, vitamin C, etc.
Evan Brand: Yeah, let’s get back to a few other action steps. I think acupressure mats could be very helpful. Yeah, it’s basically like a little piece of foam with a bunch of little plastic, sort of fine needles. Now they don’t actually penetrate the skin. They don’t puncture the skin, but they just sort of rest up against your body so you can lay on an acupressure mat and within five to 10 minutes you get this rush of endorphins and it’s extremely relaxing. You may get goosebumps when it happens but you can feel that parasympathetic response kind of turn on so acupressure mats or something if the massage studio is closed and you can’t go get an in person massage to me. You know if you had your your spouse give you a massage or if you had like a hurricane or some sort of like a massage tool, you know, like a lot of chiropractors offices will carry some of these massage type self massage tools, and then the acupressure mat. I think those are also going to be great just because people when they’re in the fight or flight, they tend to tense up right. So, so now you’re tensing your shoulders and your back. And we’ve got a lot of people that may have fibromyalgia or other issues that are flaring up just due to their bodies being tense from a physical perspective. And then let me piggyback on that. Epsom salt baths are something you could do at home. Now I’ve gotten several emails from some of the local floatation therapy locations. Their water’s always been purified with UV and ozone and hydrogen peroxide and all that. So they’re saying, Hey, we’re still open for business, you could still come in and do a flotation tear therapy where you’re floating in 800 to 1000 pounds of Epsom salt. And that’s very beneficial for the nervous system. But if you’re paranoid or your places are closed, you know, throw a pound or two of Epsom salt at home and that would be very beneficial as well just to calm me down.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and also there are some strategies it’s like with the accent Kind of being on lockdown. It’s like, we can talk about some of them. But if you if with the economy’s closed down, you may not be able to access them. So I’m going to talk about things that I’m doing and then maybe add these to your toolbox for next time. So I have an infrared near sauna far infrared, near infrared. So I’m utilizing that daily to increase my body temperature, the virus does not like higher temperature. Number two with the humidity and the temperature increasing studies that I showed last week in my YouTube videos that the virus doesn’t like it doesn’t live as long as replicated as well. So higher temperatures will be helpful. utilize a sauna, if you can help improve your body temp. I’m also using near and far infrared or near infrared, infrared or red light to help stimulate my immune system as well. So those are big strategies I’m doing on top of that. And then you mentioned the Epsom salts if you have access to Epsom salt, dump a couple of pounds in your bathtub, and instead around float around for 20 30 minutes and really get that parasympathetic system stimulated.
Evan Brand: And here’s one other point to even if you look into the research and you I see conflicting studies on sauna for colds or sauna for flu or viruses or whatever. Even if that’s true, it’s still been proven that sauna reduces overall mortality period. I’ve looked at dozens of studies just on overall mortality, hypertension, all those things that are comorbidities along with these deaths, those situations get improved, meaning if you’re somebody who has borderline hypertension or you do have hypertension, the sauna alone will therefore reduce the blood pressure and therefore that reduces your risk of Corona being a bigger deal if you were to get infected so you can so even if someone you know I’m always thinking devil’s advocate, well Oh, sauna, you know, conflicting studies on the flu Okay, so what it still helps blood pressure, it still helps increase circulation and increases blood flow, those are all beneficial in their own right, even if you remove the possibly conflicting studies on whether it really helps with the virus or not.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110% 110% So really, really good Intel there on that. There’s a couple of other things you said that I wanted to hit. So we’re talking about the absence Oh, also just really understand the people that are higher highest at risk or senior citizens. Why are they higher at risk? Right? It’s not just because they’re older. They’re higher at risk. Okay. Number one, older people have what? Less hydrochloric acid. What does that mean? They’re not going to have the ability to digest certain minerals, magnesium, zinc, they’re not going to have enough of the the digestive nutrients to break down fatty acids. So part of the reason why elderly people have weaker immune system it’s not. It’s not rocket science, a lot of the amino acids like glutathione precursors and nak and vitamin A and these minerals like zinc and selenium, and magnesium that are important for their immune function. They’re just so low in it. So if you’re at home and you’re in your eating, make sure your diet is pristine, get extra water mineral with minerals in it. Take a high quality multi vitamin supplement get extra cod liver oil and fish oil. Eat high quality meat like do your best to make sure your diet is perfect right now because part of the reason why the elderly are so affected is because there’s compound interest so to speak, right compounding bad habits working against them. And you have compounding nutrient deficiencies getting worse into their 60s and 70s and 80s. And now their immune system is compromised because of it.
Evan Brand: Yep well said and you know when my wife and I were at the grocery now granted if we go somewhere like Whole Foods, there’s generally going to be healthier options, but you could still buy unhealthy crap at Whole Foods. You can’t go buy tons of sugars and chocolate chip cookies and graham crackers and and all that stuff was wiped out. So I know people are trying to focus more on like your non perishable items but you want to try to think about more healthy non perishable choices so maybe like some grass fed beef jerky. I’ve got some bison jerky, I’ve got elk meat, I’ve got all sorts of different various nuts and seeds mixes, pumpkin seeds and things. like that so just because it you have to think. And I don’t even know if I don’t see so far I read that. Los Angeles, for example, is working really hard to make sure that no power interruptions of the electrical grid happen at all. So you kind of don’t have to think, nonperishable, you should be fine to be good fresh items
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: should be good. Like for me, lots of collagen, amino acids, lots of coconut oil, so I can always lean on those amino acids and fats. And then you can always buy a whole bunch of cans of lentils. I don’t love them, but they’re at least they stay around a while. So if you want to buy a couple dozen cans of that, just for more peace of mind is worst case scenario, have a backup plan. But if not, we can. There should be no shortages right now, thank you to the truckers in our country and the supply chain is still intact. There’s nothing wrong with the supply chain. So there shouldn’t be an issue with that just people be smart. No, go buy two, two months of toilet paper at one time because the supply chain can’t handle that much demand at once. So people if you’re out there, just cut by a reasonable amount and hopefully stores will start setting limits on x people are just one store yesterday guy came in and bought all toilet paper in one store at one time. It’s just crazy. I don’t get it.
Evan Brand: Yeah here locally, they’ve there’s pretty much signs on everything. You can only buy two of these for these like Whole Foods was maxing you out at four bags of frozen vegetables and for basically four of everything was butter, butter. I think you could only buy two packs of butter at a time. But here’s the thing-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s another great a great, great calorie source a buy a bunch of sticks of butter if you can, because dense calories, a lot of fat soluble vitamins. You don’t need a lot of it.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I’ll give my daughter a half tablespoon or a tablespoon of butter and she’ll love it. I mean, it’s it is super super fuel. So if you’re thinking non perishable, though, I saw no shortage of beef jerky, grass fed meats that were dried out. Epic bars are something that we’ve talked about before I buy a company called mission meats. they’ve treated me really well. They have like Turkey sticks and things like that you can have so There are and then also, let’s just say you do get a bunch of berries, you could you could freeze them if you needed to if you’re like, Okay, I bought these, you know, four pounds of berries now they’re gonna go bad, okay freeze them like it’s nothing wrong with having a freezer full of blueberries.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and then we’ve already done podcasts on what to do when you get sick and to prevent sickness. We’ve done in the last two weeks different podcasts on that topic, and I have an article on what to do when you get sick. Part One, part two. So we’ll just kind of reference those four the more in depth information and if you guys are aware of it and you digest it and you listen to it, that’s going to empower y’all and then in the future, we’ll make sure you know you’re stocked up have a little bit of extra nutrients and immune support coming into the holiday season. So absolutely, man. Anything else you want to highlight today, Evan?
Evan Brand: I could go I could go on and on with some of the stressor stuff. Ah ashwagandha is very helpful. There’s many different benefits for it. But ashwagandha is particularly beneficial in this time. Lemon holy basil, holy basil as well. I love holy basil. I feel great. On it holy basil would be another great strategy right now for the nervous system. Lemon balm is awesome mother wart is another good favorite calming herb of mine passionflower could be very helpful if you get into kind of a panic attack mode passionflower could really settle you down so if you’re in like full bump panic, I don’t know maybe a news article triggers you or you see a video or something triggers you Okay, let’s say you’re in crisis mode. top five things I would do number one, start running your Epsom salt bath. If you could throw in maybe a couple drops of some lavender essential oil into your bathtub as well turn on some classical music start listening to that put on like a nice organic with candle without fake fragrance in it. Go ahead and start tapping I’m calm I’m calm even though I have this anxiety I deeply love and accept myself. Yep, take a shot a passion flower. Get you a magazine you know I you know I bought my daughter like a magazine all about dogs she just loves look at the pictures of the dog. Find something that takes your mind off it if you go hop in a bath with Epsom salt you’re playing classical music If you took a shot of passion flower and maybe you’re drinking some chamomile tea, I think you’re going to be settled down pretty darn quick.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think you will be to 100% and then also I’m just kind of have a list of things that you can you can go to if you do get sick, so then you have that list already ready to go. Also, melatonin has been shown with this virus to be very helpful at supporting it something the virus interacts with the melatonin receptor at some way and the melatonin seems to be supportive. So if you’re having a hard time winding down at night, I’m okay with you know, one to three milligrams of melatonin before bed, they kind of get your nervous system at ease plus melatonin does drop down cortisol so acutely, I’m fine with a little bit higher dose on this just to help with your immune system and to help with the virus.
Evan Brand: Yeah, well, Melatonin is a super powerful, powerful antioxidant as well. So I think that’s got a side benefit too. So yeah, I think that’s a great, great idea.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Anything else you want to highlight?
Evan Brand: No, that’s it. We’re still available. We’re still running full time here. So if somebody needs to reach out even if it’s just for this kind of urgent Hey, I need help type situation you can feel free to reach out to Justin at JustinHealth.com for a consultation via phone. You don’t have to be anywhere you could be sitting on your couch talking with him or me EvanBrand.com is my website. And we’re happy to help Of course we’re wanting to just build up our clients in general meaning get you with hell as healthy as possible. So you have the least amount of risk now, but we’re also doing a few tweaks and other strategies to implement like the air purifiers those can kill viruses or knockout viruses to them. So So air purification, water purification, all the stuff we always talk about, it still counts.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% Yeah, and if people want to reach out, a lot of people are restricted because of the situation not going out and such as much. We’re available virtually all over the world. So feel free to head over to EvanBrand.com or JustinHealth.com and reach out. Put your comments down below. Let me know your thoughts on things. What are you doing, what aren’t you doing? And how’s your health in general? I want to know strategies that you’re using to help keep you healthy right now. That’s that’s making a difference. Anything else Evan?
Evan Brand: Yeah, last thing, and I’m opening a can of worms at the end. So I apologize. But keep in mind that 80% of your immune system or more is, is in your gut. And so if there is something going on bacterial overgrowth, Candida, parasites, things like that, I’m not going to say, quote, you’re more at risk. But I would just say that it would be good to get those gut infections and other issues addressed if you can try to gain the upper hand on those, reduce your stress bucket, reduce your toxin bucket, and that would include those infections.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And let’s shift our thinking to if I say you have a 1% chance of dying, that kind of stresses you out a little bit. But if I say, hey, you have a 99% chance of surviving, it is a different physiological response. I think you feel a little bit better when you focus on the 99% number, would you agree? I would totally agree and that affects your cortisol levels and your cortisol impacts your immune system. So try to look at everything and spin it into your favor, not saying you lie to yourself. I’m just saying you look at everything in a way that empowers You versus disempower you?
Evan Brand: Yeah, think about Okay, I just read this article do I feel better or worse after reading it? I feel worse Okay, what can I do to feel better because feeling worse is not going to help me I’m still in the same situation. I’m still in the same boat. I still have to go through my daily routine, put my pants on feed myself take care of my family. So what can I do to take that away? Okay, I’m going to focus on Hey, vitamin C. I will I’m gonna go drink some vitamin C or pop a couple cups. Okay, you know what, I feel a little better. Maybe I’ve reduced my risk by 5% great. I feel good focus on the positives. It’s it’s easy to forget.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent, Evan. Hey everyone. If you guys enjoyed this Sharing is caring. Give us a thumbs up a like a comment, share it to family or friends that can benefit we really appreciate it. You guys. Have a good one. We’ll be back and I’ll be doing live q&a this week. So make sure you tune in for more great Intel. You guys take care.
Evan Brand: Take care. Bye bye.
Overcoming Anxiety Naturally | Podcast #226
Surges of cortisol and adrenaline makes one emotionally stressed. They are gonna shut good blood flow to the body, especially to the brain, thus, causing stress. One bad result of it is the inability of the brain to make good decisions. What’s in it for anxiety? Find out more!
Today’s episode talks about mold and environmental stressors which creates histamine responses, creating mood issues, and ultimately, anxiety. Listen as Dr. J and Evan Brand discuss the important points to address these issues in a natural and functional medicine perspective. Continue for more! Stay tuned.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
00:40 Mold Issues, Blood Sugar and Anxiety
09:45 Emotional Stress
12:22 Fatty Acids
14:14 Going Organic
26:24 Blood Sugar Level Optimization
Evan Brand: Hey man, good morning! We’re- we’re a bright and early today for this.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, we’re trying to get our podcast in earlier just to free at time in our schedules to get other things done, so I think it’s great. We’re gonna be trying to be uh chatting weekly at 8:AM CST, 9:00 AM Eastern Time. So I’m really excited to be here with you, it’s a phenomenal weekend, the weather- it’s this time of year it’s just absolutely amazing. How is it where you’re at?
Evan Brand: Oh, man, it’s been magical too, it rained for like 48 hours straight, and then, all the sudden, the clouds break up and the sun comes out and the birds are singing and the grass is green and it’s growing so fast now, so, I can’t complain.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great man, excellent. Well today we talk about in our pre-show, we were texting yesterday or the weekend about doing a podcast on anxiety, and I think we can- we can just dive right in. So, off the bat, when it comes to anxiety, let’s just kinda touch upon your personal issue with the mold. So we’ve talked about mold and environmental stressors, potentially creating histamine responses, and then creating mood issues. Why don’t we go into your experience with the mold that the mycotoxins and your anxiety?
Evan Brand: Yeah, I- I had for the last 6 months to a year, I’ve had random little spurts where I was having heart palpitations, and some of that was related to my cavitations. I did that podcast with Dr. Stewart Nunnally my surgeon-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: -who cut me open and cleaned out-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -all my 8 cavitations, but that was a huge source of heart palpitations. But after the heart palpitations disappeared, I still had some anxiety. I’d have these random blood pressure spikes, and I’d hit you up, and say, “Dude, what’s going on, my blood pressure, I don’t know”, and now I figured it out. It’s related to mycotoxins because what mold does when you’re exposed, if you’re living in a moldy house or uh apartment, or a condo, or you work in a moldy office, or you’re a librarian, and you’re working around moldy books, mycotoxins prevent nitric oxide production from working properly, and you need nitric oxide to help with your vasodilation. And so, you basically have a constriction of everything which is why my hands and feet have been so cold too is because, nitric oxide is getting blocked by mycotoxins, and so, when I take my detox supplements, whether it’s binders, or supplements like chlorella, I noticed my hands and my feet will warm up and then all the sudden, I’ll feel better, I’ll get more energy, my anxiety just disappears. So I can’t say that this is the only trigger. We do wanna talk about blood sugar and some of the diet pieces too. But I’ll tell you just personal-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: -experience, I’ve had all the adrenal stuff dialed in. I’ve had all the blood sugar stuff dialed in, and I still had anxiety issues, and it was all tied into mycotoxins.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But it was better than if you didn’t have the- that stuff dialed in.
Evan Brand: Oh, yeah, if I- I mean, if I- if I was not taking daily adrenal supplements, and if I were skipping meals, or not eating enough fat, I would probably be a wreck.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, we kinda look at your history like these problems like, you have problems in the past, right, before you kinda got into this field. You had that dialed in, you were better, and then along came the mold mycotoxins stress years later, and then that kinda brought things back to a head again, is that true?
Evan Brand: It is, yeah, ’cause, when I was living in Austin and I was packing up-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -moving back to Kentucky, I mean, we’re calling you like dude, “I’m having a anxiety attack, I can’t control it”, that was all adrenals.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: I mean, I was- I was literally working with clients on top of a cardboard box with my laptop, ready to pack up and drive 2000 miles across country. So that was more situational anxiety.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I remember that too, there was a lot of blood sugar issues too, I think you are going like 8 hours without eating, and I think we made a couple of blood sugar tweaks that helped a lot.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I was probably going like maybe 5 hours which is just too much for me. Now I can’t do that anymore. And so-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also to remember the end of your day, I think there was just a big gap between when you had dinner when you went to bed. I think you were like eating at 5:00PM, going to bed like at 10:00 and then like not having your breakfast until like 10:00AM the next day.
Evan Brand: Yeah, it was a long time, and I was like 5 hours.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You was like a 15, 16-hour gap. But you know, that kinda like an intermittent fasting kind of gap but, for some people, that could be a little bit of a blood sugar stressor because when we go and utilize gluconeogenesis, that’s cortisol dependent. We will forget the gluconeogenesis which is fine, it’s normal, but it’s cortisol dependent. And we don’t quite have enough cortisol or adrenals or a little bit taxed, we may not be able to enter into those processes, uhm, optimally. So that’s something that the he’s mind.
Evan Brand: And I did not have enough cortisol, I did my salivary adrenal-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, I remember that, it was low.
Evan Brand: -it was very low. It wasn’t like completely burned out, I wouldn’t call it adrenal fatigue, but I was at the bottom end of the barrel there without being under the low end of the reference range. My cortisol sum was maybe like a 12, anything below a 10 is terrible and I was like a 12. So I was barely hanging in there with adrenals.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. So, kinda key things to think about, I want people listening to- to think about the underlying mechanism. What’s the mechanism of why you’re feeling the way you’re feeling? This is important because a lot of times, when you’re going to the conventional doctor, really, the underlying mechanism is not addressed. Typically, there’s the genetic predisposition, genetics like victimization-type of mindset where like we don’t know what it is, err- here the- here’s this drug. So people don’t really connect the dots to the cause, right? So we’re tryna trace everything upstream to the cause. So, if we look at the toxicity mechanism, there is this potential inflammation from the toxicity which then may create histamine, and that histamine can easily create issues with vasodilation by blocking uh nitric oxide, is that correct?
Evan Brand: Yup. So-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I wanna make sure I say it right, so I- I get it confused. There’s laughing gas which I think is nitrous oxi- nitrous oxide, and then nitric oxide is NO, NO, right?
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Crosstalk]
Evan Brand: Yeah, nitrous. I believe the nitrous oxide, I believe that’s fully different, I’m just gonna type in nitrous oxide, versus nitric…
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, one was- one was the laughing gas anesthetic, and then the other one, I think it’s NO.
Evan Brand: Yeah, NO and then I think it’s N- is it N2O, let’s see. Nitric oxide is NO, it’s not the same as nitrous oxide, N2O. Nitric oxide is one molecule of nitrogen, one molecule of nit- uh, oxygen. Nitrous, has 2 molecules of nitrogen and one of oxygen, that extra molecule changes the gas completely.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, exactly. So, NO, we’re talking about, not the laughing gas, when you can go see your dentist, and you make a lot of this. And now, one other thing that decreases nitric oxide, NO, is gonna be fructose. Lot of fructose, lot of carbohydrate, this is the one of the major mechanisms behind high blood pressure and extra fructose, and extra sugar, primarily in the form of fructose, right? But that’s gonna decrease endothelial synthase or endothelial uhm, synthase which it helps open up. It’s the enzyme that help with nitric oxide stimulation. Nitric oxide opens up blood vessel. So imagine we’ve got this garden hoses on the side of our neck called our carotids, and these essential garden hoses, if constricted, decreases blood flow to the frontal cortex, which then decreases nutrition, decreases oxygenation, decreases the ability for us to calm down inflammation, and that can manifest itself in depression. And today’s podcast topic is gonna be anxiety. So, very easily there.
Evan Brand: Yeah, you could have anxiety just from drinking soda and eating pop tarts. I went over to my mother-in-law’s-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Evan Brand: -and she still has pop tarts in her pantry. I’m like-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh my God.
Evan Brand: -“What the heck is a pop tart?”, so I look at- you know, I ate that as a kid, so I look at-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -the ingredient list, and there’s like 3 different types of corn syrup in there, it’s like-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh my God.
Evan Brand: -corn syrup- it’s like corn syrup solids which is guess what, that’s fructose, you’ve got high fructose corn syrup, so-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -Right.
Evan Brand: -small fructose-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: -and then you got like uh another- another corn syrup added in there somewhere- somewhere. On- and then on top of that is, you’ve got enriched wheat and uh, there was some like BHT and bunch of other preservatives in, I mean, so people say, “Oh, well, I- I’m not drinking soda”, but if you’re eating pop tarts, that’s just as bad, you’re still getting high fructose corn syrup, I mean, high fructose corn syrups’ in every process thing ever. You go to the restaurant, you go get a grass fed burger, and you get sweet potato fries, well, then you do the standard ketchup on the table, that ketchup is high fructose corn syrup. So, then you’re in the same boat again.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. And then we don’t even talk it about. You know, the high fructose corn syrup primarily comes from corn, so it’s not organic, you’re getting glyphosate which is roundup residue. And then also there’s some that a lot of the processing of high fructose corn syrup conventionally, involves a mercury preservatives. Then there’s potential mercury exposure that you’re getting too. So you have mercury and around up, and then, uhm, then you have the inflammation by the de- by decreasing the uhm- the nnn- nitric oxide which vasodilates. So we have a couple of different mechanisms that are really throwing us downhill.
Evan Brand: Yeah, people are saying, “Okay, why are you on a tangent about ketchup and high fructose corn syrup? How does this relate to anxiety?”. Well, because it’s creating inflammation, and the inflammation makes your blood pressure go up. When your blood pressure goes up, you feel anxious. You can feel flush, you can feel-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: -like your throat is closing, you can feel chest tightness, you can get tremors-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.
Evan Brand: -or palpitations like, when your blood pressure is up, trust me, I’ve had different personal experience, it does not feel good to have high blood pressure. Even if-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.
Evan Brand: – it’s just temporary.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.
Evan Brand: Oh, you mentioned the- the life stress too, like the cortisol piece. So cortisol is a big issue with anxiety. You and I have tested thousands of people at this point, we’ve seen high cortisol and low cortisol, both can cause anxiety. So that’s why it’s important to test, not guest, because you may look at someone’s case history and it may sound like, “Oh, my God, this person…”-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -“…gotta have high cortisol”. But then you test it, and they’re just flatlined.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So, uhm, very-very important. So, if you look at the diet and lifestyle stressors, that’s a big component. Of course, emotional stress is gonna be a big one. What’s happening with emotional stress? Typically, we’re having surges of cortisol and adrenaline. Right? And of course, What’s adrenaline gonna do? Adrenaline does cause vasoconstriction, it tends to shut blood flow to the arms and legs to run, fight and flee. So it’s primarily going here for prehistoric survival mechanism, and it tends to be going away from the brain, because you need parasympathetic function to have good blood flow to the in- to the internal organs in the brain. So you’re gonna have less to the brain, and that’s part of the reason why when you’re stressed, and you have over sympathetic, over cortisol, over adrenaline, you tend to have a less blood flow to the brain, and that’s why people make uhm a lot of poor decisions when they’re stressed. There was- I was reading a study at one point when they talked about uh a lot of violent criminals in jail, that a lot of violent criminal episodes have been made where in a hypoglycemic state by the criminal. So-
Evan Brand: Wow.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -essentially with that, your frontal cortex has about, I think it’s like, 25 or 20 milliseconds to shut down and impulse. So like, you see someone like that walks by that like, really, bugs you, you’re- you kinda think, I wanna get them, well then your frontal cortex goes nope, not- not a good idea. So when you have that decreased frontal cortex activation, which could be decrease from cortisol and blood sugar and stress, then you’re gonna have that inability to not- to not uhm dampen down that impulse.
Evan Brand: Well think about, I mean, I just saw a video couple weeks ago of a prisoner who was like sitting in like a courtroom, and he goes up and he just like smacks the lady in the head. One of the ladies is like standing, like testifying, he goes up and smacks her in the head and then he immediately just sits down like he realizes, “Oh, my God, what did I just do?”.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know.
Evan Brand: The prisoner diet, I mean, their diet is terrible.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah, I mean, if we were really were interested in this society, uhm, rehabilitating prisoners uh, you’d start with nutrition. I mean, I would’ve go in there number 1, and involve cri- uh, I’d have criminals working on a farm, producing all their own foods, so society didn’t have to pay for it, number 1. And then number 2, get the nutrition up. It’s impossible to rehabilitate someone with very poor uh, brain function from amino acids or good healthy fats. They done studies before, I’ve- it was uh, in the food connection book, and they talked about adding omega 3’s in the prison. And then helping to decrease the violence rate in the cri- in the prisons like significantly. So-
Evan Brand: I’ve read that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -fatty acids are very important for anxiety and mood and behavior function because number 1, your brain’s primarily fat. It’s 70% saturated fat and cholesterol. But omega 3 fatty acids are very anti-inflammatory. So if we have inflammation and going on in the brain, we have surges of cortisol, right, we have blood sugar fluctuations, we have our microglial cells in the brain are activated, these are our immune cells in the brain, they’re gonna be activated when inflammation is going on, whether it’s from foods or stress, and good omega 3 fatty acids, anti-inflammatory fats like omega 3s from DHEA and EPA, these are 20 and 22 carbon chain of fat- fatty acids are very anti-inflammatory.
Evan Brand: A lot of people are against fish or they just simply don’t do enough high-quality fish. So like in- we use triglyceride form fish oil-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Evan Brand: -we work with professional health care companies. So-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.
Evan Brand: -that’s a product that you may wanna have in your tool box if you don’t already. Don’t just go to ___[13:22] and buy their fish oil and assume that’s gonna be good enough, it’s not, they’re using ethyl ester form which is where they attach an alcohol molecule to the fish oil, your liver has to process that. If your products smells fishy, if you have fish burps, throw it away, rancid by with Justin’s product or by my product.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep.
Evan Brand: Because we wanna get you on a high-quality fish oil for your brain.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And if you’re consuming fish 3 to 4 servings of fish a week is great, even if you’re pregnant, just really- just focus on high selenium to mercury ratio fish. So your wild Alaskan sockeye, your Cod, your haddock, your skipjack tuna, these are gonna have a higher amount of selenium to mercury, and that will help essentially uhm bind up any mercury that maybe there. And if you’re on a fence and you’re doing sushi, you can always do things like some activated charcoal, things like that, just to be on the safe side.
Evan Brand: Oh, by the way, I bought a TV for the first time in ten years.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, wow!
Evan Brand: And uh, it was because I wanted to watch the new documentary called “Our Planet”-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah.
Evan Brand: -tune in Netflix with David Attenborough, and uh, I was looking at some, I mean, our ocean is basically screwed, but uh hopefully we can turn it around. But he was s- showing some of the Bluefin tuna which are like a- almost all the fisheries are being overfished and the whole ocean’s collapsing because we’re overfishing. They were talking about some of this tuna that could be 1000 pounds. It’s like no wonder they’re so toxic with mercury, they’re a thousand pounds.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I hundred percent agree. But uhm, yeah, it’s really important stuff. I’m glad you found the other TV man, I mean, I don’t watch TV outside a couple of Netflix show, I mean, right now, I mean, I watch Game of Thrones last night, that was, man, that is my show right now. Love it.
Evan Brand: I- I’ve never checked it out. But I’ll have to, but people should watch that “Our Planet” because it is- you should watch it too, it’s amazing-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: -it really- it- it really says, “Hey look, like, we’ve got a lot of issues, there’s still some beautiful stuff left on planet Earth, but, we’ve really gotta turn things around and, I- I think with our podcast, we’re helping to turn things around from an ecological perspective because we’re encouraging people to get local meats and pastured meats, and we’re trying to turn away from the conventionally factory farmed animals which are creating a lot of damage to the water table and to the soil, and, you know, buying local beef. Because if you go to the grocery store now, you’re gonna see grass fed from Brazil, and they’re cutting down the rainforest in the Amazon to grow uh, soybean and also they raise cattle for grass fed beef. And so, you wanna make sure you’re not buying Brazilian grass fed beef, and you can get it locally, it’s so easy. And then also, with your palm oils. So like if you do snacks like plantains like I do, I love plantain chips or plantain strips. Make sure your palm oil is a certified palm oil, so it’s sustainable and you’re not cutting down the Orangutan, their forest in Indonesia, they’re critically endangered now because of us. Cutting down there, uh, you’ll see it too in the- in the documentary where they just clear cut native rainforest and they’ve replaced it with just a mono culture of palm, uh, palm trees that- that for the palm oil. And so, you know, even look at Doritos like you look at the- a back of a bag of Doritos, even Doritos are contributing to deforestation because the palm oil, it’s in there. It’s not sustainably certified.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So, I mean, what’s the solution is? Okay, ’cause, we need palms, so, or you cut it down just- just plant it as you cut it essentially?
Evan Brand: Well, the- the goal is just to have sustainable farm. And so, I don’t know exactly what the- I think it’s called RSPO, there’s a whole organization that goes in and certifies them, I don’t know if that means they’re helping to protect other land like if they buy a thousand acres, they only, you know, grow palm oil on half of it, I- I’m not sure of like what they’re doing, but I do know that when you see an RSPO certification, it’s gonna say, “Hey, this is a certified sustainable…”-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: “…source” of palm oil.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of articles on these types of topics, they talk about, like the- the- the number 1 way you can fix a lot of these things, is you don’t rent these lands to corporations, you have the corporations buy it. Even the corporation buys the land they have a more- s- a stake in the land to keep it solvent so it can produce more product in the future, right? Whatever that there is, right? So, if you- if I buy a land to cut trees, I’m more likely to then replant all the trees so I have more trees to cut in the future. But if I’m just renting it, think about how you treat your car if you’re renting it versus it’s your car.
Evan Brand: Oh yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve seen some articles on that type of uh, topic from a root cause perspective ’cause you treat things differently when you own it, when you have a stake in it.
Evan Brand: Absolutely. You hit a big pothole in the road, alright, “Oop, it’s a rental, so what?”.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a rental- right, it’s the same thing when it- when you just have- I- I have logging rights for 10 years in this area. I’m just gonna wipe it clean, it’s not my property, I don’t have to worry about it, right?
Evan Brand: Yup.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s kind of a mindset. So, uh I think we start first by decreasing the pesticides in the environment, and the glyphosate, number 1, and then number 2, the mono-culture stops. And if you don’t have the conventional GMO crap and the high fructose corn syrup, that’s where all the corn, and the grain, and the GMOs are primarily coming from. So if you just go organic, you’re gonna totally support more local sustainable farming and it’s gonna be in this monoculture formats, putting tons of pesticides, tons of glyphosate, and that’s affecting runoff in our water too. And how does this connect back, well, it’s gonna connect back ’cause it’s a stressor, it’s- it’s inflammatory to the brain. And a lot of times the glyphosate and a lot of these pesticides can affect the brain as to the gut. Because what they can do is, if you look at Stephanie ___[18:40] at MIT it’s gonna decrease that brush border where you produce enzymes. It’s gonna make the gut more permeable and more leaky, and that leaky gut is gonna allow more stuff in your gut to get into your bloodstream like endotoxin which is lipopolysaccharide from bad bacteria, it’s gonna allow undigested food particles to get into that bloodstream, that’s gonna activate the immune system, that’s gonna create more gle- microglial activation in the brain which is gonna create cognitive issues, brain fog, mood related issues. So, anytime we look at the brain, whether it’s anxiety, which what we’re focusing on today. Any inflammation in the gut can then drive inflammation in the brain. Inflammation in the brain manifests in these mood-related issues.
Evan Brand: Yup. When I had- oh, and by the way, Vietnam banned glyphosate. So, good job Vietnam. Uh, I had major anxiety when I had gut infections, and so, my anxiety is much better, but then it was caused from another- another mechanism, right? So, fixing the gut was critical for me to fix my anxiety. Now we could- we probably should do a part 2 on this, ’cause, I mean, we could spend an hour just on omegas and probiotics and restoring gut health but-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: -we haven’t even got into talking about like, uhm, relora, and ashwagandha, and holy basil, and, uh, sensory deprivation tanks, and massage, and acupressure, and acupuncture, and essential oils, and, uh, gaba and- and pharma GABA and theanine and, and uh, lemon balm, and I mean there’s so much to cover with this anxiety conversation but, I’m glad that we disco- we- we discuss all of these major critical pieces first like restoring their- your brain health, making sure you’ve got good omegas, testing and fixing any cortisol issues, avoiding glyphosate so you’re not killing off your good bacteria and promoting bacterial overgrowth because if we just skip straight ahead to the magic pill like your theanine and your GABA, well then people aren’t gonna listen to the first part.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. We wanna make sure the- the biochemistry and the underlying physiology makes sense. If you- if you- that makes sense, we can plug and play various supplements, various diet or lifestyle strategies to helping to affect the root cause.
Evan Brand: Yeah. So we’ll do a part 2. Let’s do a part 2 on anxiety later because I think that we can do a whole hour just on how you use specific remedies, like I’ve got a whole timing to adaptogens, like I may do, you know, ashwagandha more towards the evening to help kinda calm down and settle at night versus I may go holy basil in the morning to stimulate. So there could be a full circadian rhythm to your supplementation as well.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And of course, movement has a huge effect. Apparently, I think, mo- movement is gonna help because you’re producing various beta endorphin which has anti-depressant qualities to it. And beta endorphin is- is a 19 uhm amino acid compound. So there’s 19 amino acids that make up beta endorphin. So you need protein to make it, okay, uh number 1. So movement is gonna help with that. I think movement also helps with insulin resistance and insulin sensitivity. So it make yourselves more insulin-sensitive and helps kinda soak up extra blood sugar. So if you have these glycemia issues, it’s gonna help soak up that extra blood sugar that’s hangin’ around. And essen- essentially give you a bigger sponge, A.K.A. bigger muscles, especially if you’re doing more resistance training and integral training, it’s gonna give you bigger muscles to soak up extra blood sugar, as well which is helpful.
Evan Brand: That’s very cool.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.
Evan Brand: I’ve noticed, my blood sugar has been on the lower end like I was- I actually- my wife let me uh prick her finger to check her blood sugar which is good. We did like a grass fed steak, we did some steamed broccoli with butter, and then we did a big sweet potato. So we have the same exact meal, we ate it at the same exact time, and my blood sugar, within 45 minutes, we’ll call it 1 hour, after that-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm.
Evan Brand: -my blood sugar was already backed down to an 80 and hers was [crosstalk]- and hers was a hundred. So I thought, hon, now of course she’s pregnant, so maybe that has an effect [crosstalk], I thought, [crosstalk] blood sugar crashing too quick, how am I already back down to an 80 one hour later and all I had was, you know, I had a sweet potato. I thought for sure, it’d be above a hundred still.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and just could be that you’re really insulin-sensitive. And sometimes if you- if you do too much carbohydrate for you, a lot of low blood sugar issues is from too much insulin. So if you stimulate too much insulin from too much carbs, that can drop a but 80 I don’t think it’s that bad it. I would wanna see how 2 hours looked-
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -and 3 hours looked and to see if you kinda leveled out, and then how you felt too.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I- I feel kinda low at- at 80. Do you- do you track it all? What number you- you feel bad at ’cause I mean, on the conversation of anxiety, like if I get a bout of anxiety and I feel kinda shaky or irritable or nervous, uh, I’ll check my blood sugar and sometimes I’ll be at- maybe a 70, maybe mid-70s, I’ll start to feel weird at that level.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s hard, right? Because what happens is, your faster your blood sugar goes down, the faster adrenaline and cortisol is there to pick it up. So if your blood sugar is like this, and it’s a slow arc-
Evan Brand: Yeah.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -and we’d take a picture of it right here. That’s different than taking a picture of it right there when you eat too much carbs and it’s coming down like this. So the steeper the angle is, the worse for anxiety and mood. Because the steeper the angle, that means you’re crashing at a faster rate, which means there’s more likely that you’re gonna have adrenaline and cortisol lift you up. So the more it’s like this, then it’s kinda tangentially coming down, less chance of cortisol and adrenaline to pick it back up. But if it’s coming like this and you grab a snapshot there, then there’s more likely to be adrenaline and cortisol and you may feel that. So when people say, you know, hypoglycemia issues, you look in the Merck Manual. What does Merck say, oh well, you know, take some sugar pills all this crap, that doesn’t fix the root cause of how the hell you got there.
Evan Brand: That’s right.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ‘Cause how you got there, we’re doing that exact same strategy, so what happens is, people that follow those kinds of conventional medical advice for nutrition, they’re on this perpetual blood sugar rollercoaster all the time almost.
Evan Brand: Yeah, the people that like travel with the glucose tablet you’re talking about, yeah, I’ll just eat some candy, let me eat some skittles, okay, my blood sugar is fine now, I had skittles.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Does not fix any of the issues.
Evan Brand: And see, I don’t do that. I don’t- I don’t do any processed sugars per se, you know, I had like some blueberries with breakfast, uh, so, I’m just wondering-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Crosstalk] what the heck is happening there? You already- you over- you overshoot your blood sugar from too much carbohydrates and refined sugar, so you have a really steep drop in your blood sugar, then it comes down, and then you’re like, “Oh, I’m gonna follow the conventional medicine advice”, and so you come back up again, and then you keep on doing these high and low peaks, and you keep on having the smooth it up with extra carbs and sugar, versus kinda come in there like this, where you’re sneaking along, versus falling off the cliff. Does that make sense?
Evan Brand: Oh, absolutely. It’s a much- it’s- it- it’s- people don’t understand, I mean, when we look at like you said, like violent crime in prisons, or we look at car wrecks, or we look at people shooting each other, or we look at any big situation happening where someone’s doing something stupid, I’d put a high amount of money on the fact that it’s probably someone who’s on a conventional American diet, with a crazy blood sugar pattern, and they’re hypoglycemic, you can’t think straight, trust me. My blood sugar is low, I had period where I was like a 58 or a 60, I couldn’t think straight. I mean-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: -you literally can’t think straight and make decisions. All you can think about is, “I gotta do something, I gotta eat something”.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And, I’m doing some kinda hand gestations here to kinda symbolize what’s happening with the blood sugars. If anyone’s listening to this on the podcast, feel free and check below. You can access the video here too, so we’re- we’re live on YouTube as well as Facebook to see that.
Evan Brand: Well let’s- let’s wrap it up, but I do wanna go one- one for the question for you, and how would you recommend approaching that? So if you’re someone who, like me, you’re away from refined carbohydrates, except I will do some organic white rice, I will do some sweet potato, those are my starches of choice. Uh, so, in that situation, is it just more adrenal support for me, is it just staying low carb for my breakfast and lunch, and only doing the carbs at dinner like how would you say if I’m looking at glucose and I’m seeing that I’m going back down to like a mid-70’s or an 80, and I wanna hang out around maybe 90, ’cause I feel better there, how would you- how would you achieve that, is it possible to do that with just like fat and proteins?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, number 1, I think with- you’re a leaner dude, so I will first look at like what your activity levels are for the day. If you’re not super active physically, then I’d be focusing on more proteins and fats for- for your fuel source, and then, you know, work on timing more your carbs later in the day. There’s some data that carb backloading, doing carbs later in the day tends to be a little bit better. Again, there are other people- this is so controversial, but I mean, there’s been research on it, people in the backloading carb community kinda know that people tend to do better with carbs at night time, there’s some data where people take their carbohydrates and they put all at the back end of the day, and then while the control group does it throughout the day gradually, and there’s been better weight loss, patterns doing it, like that at night, so there is that benefit. So, I would do more of the carbs at night, and then I would keep more protein and fat as- as kinda your foundational base. Think of protein and fat as like logs in the fire, so if you have a good fire, the logs from the fire gonna keep that fire burning sustainably. The carbohydrates are gonna be like kindling your twigs, and the more refined the carbohydrate, or the more high- higher glycemic index it is, the more it’s like, it- it’s like gasoline or paper, right, it goes up faster. But if you have logs in that fire, that’s gonna keep that fire burning long and strong versus if you just do paper twigs and gasoline, you’re up and out. So, twigs and paper and gasoline is the, uhm, too much refined sugar, not enough protein, fat, and then you have this up and down swings of blood sugar. The logs in the fire are gonna be like the high-quality protein in fat, and then we have to dial in the carbohydrates according to your metabolic needs.
Evan Brand: I need to check it act, I mean, I like data, you and I both do. So, I need to just check- check and see… You- can my body take? Let’s say I do like a grass fed beef steak, right, and it’s like, let’s just make something up, you know, 15 grams of fat and 15 grams of protein.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.
Evan Brand: In theory, I should be able to take that beef steak and convert that over to glucose, even though it’s primarily fat and protein, correct?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, you will be able to do with some of that for sure. I mean, your brain know it needs about 20 grams of glucose today. So you won’t get a- a ton-
Evan Brand: Okay.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: -of glucose out of it, but yeah, you’ll get a little bit of glucose, via gluconeogenesis, and then you’re also gonna get more ketones, right? And people that have- they’re higher in ketosis, their blood sugar may go lower, but you gotta remember, their blood sugar can go little bit lower because they have more- other fuel substrates in the bloodstream called ketones. So, they may be able to go lower. Where some is jackin’ the blood sugar up and down, through a reactive hypoglycemia e- episode, right? Reactive is up, and then you’re reacting by going down fast. It’s a steeper angle of that blood sugar dropping. You’re gonna have less ketones there because you haven’t done the right things in your diet over a period of a couple days or weeks to get in the ketosis, where you have more ketones. Uhm, a- anytime you’re surging insulin, you’re gonna be not- you’re gonna be kicked out of ketosis, because you need lower insulin levels to be making ketones. High insulin blocks ketosis. So for keeping our blood sugar under control, and we’re kinda snaking along and not jacking our blood sugar up too high above a hundred or 110, 120, then we’ll have more ketones, and therefore your blood sugar could drop a little bit lower. But I even see some of this people that are really doing a lot of ketogenic diets then they even go a little bit too long, and I’ve seen people posting 50 and 60 for blood sugar range, that may be a little bit too low. But I mean, tested out, try and see you feel, see how you look, see how you perform and see if we can uhm, connect the dots there.
Evan Brand: That’s cool. So, maybe I find it at 70, if I have some ketones running in the background.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. It gives more- it gives enough ketones in the background. I think that’s the key thing.
Evan Brand: Makes sense. Well, let’s do a part 2 on this later but we gotta wrap it up [crosstalk]-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Crosstalk] it just depends, if your body needs more glucose because of what you’re doing, uh stress wise, then, you may have a cortisol surge to fill in the gap via gluconeogenesis. So-
Evan Brand: ‘Cause that’s the thing. So, if I’m at a 70, I feel like I’m getting low, you can feel that anxiety starting to creep in at a 70, it’s like well, do I go and eat something like an apple, which I know is gonna raise glucose, or do I go do a beef steak, or do I do a beef steak in an apple to get glucose up?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, O would probably do beefsteak in an apple.
Evan Brand: Do both.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I will probably do both.
Evan Brand: So you can stabilize it with the fat and the protein, but then you do have some actual glucose coming in at the same time.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And to get- there’ll be fructose in there, but fructose is 55, 45 or 50, it’s close. So you- even though you get fructose in, you’re gonna get-
Evan Brand: But you don’t wanna do just the apple ’cause if you do just the apple, then you’re up and down again, depending on what type of the apple too. So that’s why we always talk about like putting almond butter, something else on there, coconut [crosstalk]-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or you even do a Granny Smith which has- has- half the amount of sugar as well. But then you get some of the fiber too. So it’s less- you- you’re not gonna quite have that as much with lower glycemic fruit with full fiber, but yeah, you still- it’s good idea to always have the protein and fat along with it, for sure.
Evan Brand: I stay away from Pink Lady. I tested a Pink Lady apple; I went from like a 75 to like a hundred and thirty with the Pink Lady Apple. I mean, that thing is like just candy.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. [Crosstalk]. Yeah, exactly, that’s why- my- I primarily do Granny Smith, half the sugar and uhm, I’ll typically do it with some cinnamon on it and some almond butter.
Evan Brand: That’s delicious. Woooh!
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Well, hey, Evan, let’s wrap things up, we’ll be back next week and we’ll talk a little bit more, we maybe can expand upon this topic or even choose a- a new topic. So appreciate all you guys in the background with great questions. We’ll continue to expand on this conversation here in the weeks to come. Anything else Evan you wanna leave to listeners with?
Evan Brand: Yeah, people just reach out. If you need help, work on your blood sugar, stabilize it, but, you know, this stuff can get tricky. So if you need help, don’t hesitate to reach out, we can work with you around the world. Justin’s website is justinhealth.com, my site is evanbrand.com. We look forward to helping y’all.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks so much guys, you’d have a phenomenal day, we’ll talk soon. Take care Evan! Bye.
Evan Brand: Bye.