Addressing EMF, 5G and Improving Your Athleticism – Justin Frandson | Podcast #379

Exposure to artificial radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (EMFs) has increased significantly in recent decades. Therefore, there is a growing scientific and social interest in its influence on health, even upon exposure significantly below the applicable standards.

In this video, Dr J and Justin Frandson discuss the possible harmful effects of EMF and 5G on our well-being and what the strategies are to keep our athleticism and overall health performance. To find out more, make sure to like, subscribe, and watch out for more evidence-based health tips!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

0:00 – Introduction
0:28 – Athleticism
4:57 – Concussions
16:03 – EMF
25:30 – Correlation vs causation


Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here, really excited. I have Justin Fradson on today’s show. We’re gonna be talking about 5G, EMF, natural ways to help eliminate that, reduce it, neutralize it and also talk about improving athleticism as well. Justin, welcome to today’s show. How you doing, man? 

Justin Frandson: Really great. Thanks Dr. J for having me on. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, awesome. And you got a new book that’s out called athleticism, whole body, whole brain performance. Can you just kind of what inspired you to write this book and what are some of the key take home points you want to highlight out of the gates.

Justin Frandson: Oh yeah, I’m pretty stoked on this book, I  must say, this is my life journey just. Oh, and between those two hard back cover so, I mean, I started working with the athletes about 25 years ago. Started I had a Scripps clinic in La Jolla and work with the amateur and professional athletes develop sensory, motor, nerve work for sports performance. We do whole body, brain training, ambidexterity, and I treat concussions and do a bunch of stuff. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK, that’s very cool. So let’s talk about the, the, the ambidexterity training. What does that look like? What are some of the exercises? What are some of the therapies you run your athletes through to improve that? 

Justin Frandson: Well, we’re one of the only sports performance programs that actually has an ambidexterity program. And that’s great. The crust of it I think is, is to really get these bodies being a whole body and whole brain.Performer. So we do everything from juggling to washers to cup stacking. Uh, a lot of martial arts stuff as well. Stick training, just coordination with the hands and integrating with foot movements.Those are some of the ambidexterity stuff, just with the hands that people would think of. We also do the same things with the rhythms, with the feed and then everything’s nonlinear semi circles figure eights connecting to the infinite flow of the universe. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So is someone coming to you and saying, hey, I wanna be a better athlete? These are some of the skill sets that I need in my sport and then you kind of come in and recommend various kind of modalities within your clinic. Is that how it works? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah definitely and then or I get bridge training post PT guys Sir kind of fed up with PT and or their sessions have expired and they don’t know what to do. They’re kind of left high and dry. So we bridge that gap all the way to high level performance and then do a lot of treatments as well for injury recovery like a stretching therapy and brain and trainment, light, sound, frequency, vibration, those are all my go to. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. And so when you have people that come in from PT, what do you see some of the big shortcomings of PT that maybe prevent some of the people that see you? Like why they’re not healing all the way? There are certain modalities or shortcomings philosophically or modality wise that are missing in that? That you kind of bring delight, if you will. 

Justin Frandson: Definitely. I really feel PT’s are some of the most gifted facilitators out there, but unfortunately a lot of them are held within the restrictions of billing and so they’re just going to ice, they’re just going to do 5 minutes of yeah, fascial work. They’re not able to do, use their gifts to the extent that they use them. So I think that one of the downfalls of the PT system is a really locked into the insurance space method and protocols most of our PT or excuse me post OP physical therapist so your session has expired. You certain point then you’re pretty much you’re done. I mean you then there are where do you go? And I have that same experience. I tore my ACL playing basketball while dunking on a guy and when I landed, he then bends his knee in the side of my knee and tore the ACL. And went through PT out of scripts clinic in La Hoya where I was officed out of. So the Orthos brought us in there and to work with the PT in them so they could have the system. So I’m like OK, I’m going to use this PT even though I got it three from a handful of other PT’s, well, he starts billing me. It was like $750 to ice my knee for the first visit. And then and three weeks, four weeks, four weeks in I had expired all my, my and I had like I had. I had like the best insurance he could have and I was done in like a month and so. And then he had built the just crap out of me. And so I’m going this is just a flawed system. And it ended up being my niche where I could take over that bridge, bridge that gap to where they really missed out on. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK, got it. And so when you see people that have come in with concussions, what’s your first step to addressing that outside of the, you know, the conventional model, right? The conventional model a lot of times is like sunglasses go sit in the dark corner maybe? Don’t, don’t fall asleep for a little bit, right? Is there anything else you’re doing that’s kind of specifically improving healing? Anything nutritionally, anything neurological exercise wise, to kind of help facilitate that healing? 

Justin Frandson: Well, the first thing I do is they go to a chiropractor. So the first thing I do? So go to Chiro, get everything adjusted. Make sure everything is structurally in place. I mean, that’s number one. When they come to see me, what I do is what I do. They work on sensory nerves so I level their horizon and get them connected to their center line, which is basically obviously their longitude latitude line. One thing I know where they are in space, everything will start to heal. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So how does that work? Is that upper cervical type of stuff? How do you do that? 

Justin Frandson: No, through light therapy and muscle lights. OK, you are soggy. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK. And so what’s the input? You’re adding light or anything else to help that? 

Justin Frandson: Light and I use essential oils and I use muscle testing and energy work to do it. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. Excellent. And so someone comes in, they have these concussion issues, right? You’re using these different modalities and that’s you’re seeing that helps celebrate healing. Are you doing anything with a red light? Are you doing anything with nutrition at all?

Justin Frandson: Well yeah, I mean like red light is what we use, so I actually use GRT light most of the time Umm. And it’s red LED and infrared and it has different policies and mechanisms and then I’m actually using essential oils as well and nutrition is huge because your stomachs, your second brain. So, right. I had a guy who just had a client actually two days ago. Crazy. You bring this up, but he put a breath mint. He’s 14. Little kid got a concussion and I had seen him three times prior and I’m working on his nerves, on his REM patterns and he was, he held in the beginning of going right to left on his eye movements without moving his head, just moving his eyes.He put them in his mouth and I go to retest his eyes, and he goes weak. And guess what? Events are full of artificial… about his nervous system. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes sense. Nutrition plays a major role, whether it’s additional toxicity coming in through junkie sugars or artificial sweeteners or potential food allergens or junkie fats, right. All those things matter. And what kind of diet changes do you make, I mean, most people that I see that come to me and they’ve seen PT in the past, most very rarely even look at nutrition or anything in that realm or get extra nutrients to help build back connective tissue or joints or bones. It’s kind of ignored 100%. You see it also, already conventional medicine too. What kind of changes do you make out of the gates in those areas? 

Justin Frandson: Well, the big thing is looking at all the different stressors of the body and you gotta look at what John rates like down regulates the nervous system. And so comically food, drink, air, EMF. So food is just basically eating real stuff like eating a real balanced intake. That’s a real food that’s not modified, that’s not real in pesticide, herbicide and also growing in the garage. That doesn’t come out of a bag and from an industrialized manufacturing plant. So some of the basic stuff on that. I love structured and structuring the water. Just get hydration down, have them start to own their power a little bit.More and then sleep is the other biggest thing which our grounding bags help with. So kind of normalizing a full spectrum of these athletes and you know that that’s where we’re really diving into. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any specific diet recommendations, are you making sure proteins are adequate? Or is there a certain amount of protein you want people to eat in relation to their weight? Half a gram per pound? One gram per pound of body weight? What does that look like for protein?

Justin Frandson: Yeah. I haven’t really gotten too granular with them on that. I just say balance it out. What I do look at is we have an MCT oil called Lean Oil. So it’s from the palm kernel, so it’s medium chain triglycerides.That’s right. So they’re the very fattest fuel. Uh. But you gotta kick in the oldest people valve, get some protein in the body. Yeah, first thing in the morning. I mean, these are some things that I like to do. Uh, and? That’s kind of where I go out and I’m not big on digitally quantifying like these specific ratios and it just feeds your body what you feel is right for you and does your food really well and dying, but enough fuel in your system too, so you’re not burning adrenaline. You’re burning fuel. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that makes sense.Absolutely.Yeah, I mean I thought protein is really important because if you’re athletic and you’re using your muscles, you’re creating this breakdown, your body trying to heal that back up. So proteins and it’d be really important. Also protein is going to be very blood sugar stabilizing, very satiating into preventing you from overeating, obviously good fats or super important because every cell in our body has a good healthy cell membrane and we need good healthy fats whether it’s coconut oil or good healthy grass fed pasture fed animal products. We want to really be avoiding a lot of the junkie more inflammatory process fats Omega 6 trans fat. So I think that’s, you know, important to have those components dialed in for sure. That makes a lot of sense. What’s next? So you see patients, they come in to you, your. What’s the next step the average person’s missing to make themselves more athletic? Like, if you could do one thing with the average person, what would it be outside of some of the things we’re already talking about now? 

Justin Frandson: Well, the first thing I recommend to them is to start balancing more, so when you’re probably the number one thing I dressed in the book. If you don’t balance, you can’t do anything. So that’s the biggest thing. I think right behind that would be flexibility to have some range of motion and once they get established a functional range of motion. Then you go into the stability components, and then we start to develop a foundation that we build on for speed, power, coordination, and it is just a human disguise of limits. And it’s unilateral versus jumping off of both feet and you just take the athletes and our new dimension. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that’s why I always like unilateral work, because I find that you can really show weaknesses to people. A single like deadlift for unilateral kind of opposite arm pull. I feel like when you do things that are unilateral it really exposes a lot of weaknesses. and imbalances in the body so that that’s really good. Plus you don’t need a lot of weight, you don’t need a lot of load. When you’re rolling, you’re only using half of that foundational stable unit. So that’s cool. Yeah. What’s one thing? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah. But the other thing real quick is I’ve been doing a lot of B3 bands. And which is blood flow restriction and, I found that’s really helpful for me because of limited time for workout. I’ll throw on the ban, it boosts my nitric oxide buildup and endothelial vascular growth factor. So I think more growth factors.That, you know what, I’m in my 50s, so, uh, I could use all that I could get right now naturally, and that’s been a fantastic way. And my strengths improve, my speeds improve. So for a quick workout, those B3 bands have been awesome for me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. And the goal of those bands is like a rubber band, almost like what they do if they were to take your blood, they wrap it around there and that’s restricting blood flow. And then as a result, it’s what, increasing growth hormone, increasing NO2, essentially. 

Justin Frandson: Yeah. The nitric oxide is oxide for it and what happens is, you develop these buffers and you just develop more growth factors from it. But B3 bands have Airways in that restriction, so you’re not starving the muscle of oxygen, you’re just constricting it. So my whole thing is like resistance. Resistance and the subtle resistance are vascular systems that just don’t have it until you put a ban on it. The two activities that restrict or provide resistance for your respiratory system are swimming because you’re exhaling into the water or playing a horn instrument as a musician. Other than that, we don’t develop that respiratory system with resistance. So there’s ways to look at fast resistance, respiratory system resistance versus just traditional strength training resistance and so that’s why we’re looking at all these components.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. Excellent. And so you are also very passionate about EMF and you sent me a couple of goodies which I appreciate. You sent me some EMF kind of neutralizing crystals, a Faraday bag, a couple things and they have a website, EMF rocks. Let’s talk a little bit more about EMF and just kind of some of the negative impacts out of the gate that you see, for instance, with your athletes that you work with? 

Justin Frandson: Ohhh, yeah doctor J. I mean, I saw an endurance athlete come through and this one.Higher arm when weak from wearing a smartwatch on his wrist. And so I’m like, oh wow, yeah, get that radiation off your wrist. His whole arm just got better. It got stronger again without me kind of radiation. Was it hooked up to Wi-Fi or was it just like a simple what kind of signal was it? Was it Bluetooth? Yeah. So it’s Bluetooth. They’re about 2.45 billion waves per second of one directional wave form. So let’s breakdown the.Difference of why that’s so challenging for our body. We’re built on scalar waves. Distributed equally in every direction. Man made stuff. Whether it’s electricity, dirty electricity or wireless, they’re all basically one directional wave forms or they don’t work. So when you put something on your wrist like Wi-Fi at 2.45 billion waves per second when our body optimizes that one to eight when we sleep and heal an 8 to 12 when we’re in the alpha state when we’re in the flow state, we’re competing. That’s where really close with the Schumann resonance of Earth, which is 7.83 Hertz so, when we add in 10 zero speed and it’s a one direction polarizing waveform, that’s localized radiation when someones weak or toxic or just has a sensitivity to it for some way shape or form even too young old. Their blood type is an RH negative.Those people will be more sensitive to EMF. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so what kind of EMF are we talking about? Like, are we talking like the Apple Watch? Would my small little Fitbit that’s charting my steps be enough to throw me off? 

Justin Frandson: Oh yeah, that muscle tests weak with that fit. Now out of the gate, they’re having challenges. And they had to lower the signals kind of where Josh still made a documentary movie called Take Back Power on the smart meters. They were ramping up these smart meter signals. They had to notch it down because everyone was getting sick and couldn’t sleep. Same with fit that it’s still now enough where you’ll task a week with it. So I would never, I mean again, this is my whole deal, Doctor J is we gotta get back to listening to your body and how your body feels, not having something tell you how it feels. This meta universe is not OK. It’s not the direction that we want to go into. 

Dr. Justin Frandson: So is there any technology you recommend if someone wants to kind of track their steps or make sure they’re doing enough activity during the day, what’s the best way to do that? Is there a certain way that you could adjust that so as a lower lower drain on you? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah, I haven’t really dove into the lesser of the evils. What I would say is. You only test athletes. We’ve established a baseline, maybe in the midpoint and point, and the task we’re not doing day-to-day. So know your stuff the day, track them and then use that as your baseline to say, hey, yeah, I feel like I did a few less than I did, you know, or I did way more today. And you’ll know that your body will just feel it. You don’t need something to tell you how you slept or what you did. You have to.Look into yourself to start to feel again.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes sense. And so what’s the, what’s some of these wireless signals, what’s the mechanism? What’s actually happening? How is it disrupting us? You kind of went into it a little bit more. I want to make sure I understand. Like how is that actually happening at a biochemical level there? 

Justin Frandson: OK, so when we introduce one-directional waveform. What happens is there’s an oration effect in our body, it’s just a secondary effect. Doctor Martin Paul talks about the voltage gated calcium channels opening up less. Yep, letting the positive team into a negative cell, in turn causing tremendous cell and DNA damage. Once that vibration secondary effect happens, what I’ve seen clinically as people’s eyes, their teeth, they’re large and they’re thymus and then they’re large intestine are the four primary areas that decharge EMF. We can use our grounding bags to tap on them and recharge those areas. I’ll go into that a little bit, but then the next level is what we see are cognitive, so focus, memory, behavior, anxiety, fatigue, stress, lack of sleep. They’re gonna be the first signs of EMF toxicity and challenges that people will feel especially.Actually.You know, athletes and they’re gonna make poor decisions, you know, when they’re competing. So this is a huge thing. So the other thing is, you’re going to see more non trauma concussion symptoms, so you’re gonna see basically headaches, more severe headaches, so, migraines. Uh, in the years. Muscle twitching, bloody noses, I mean, these are all the different things that you’re going to see. It’s going to be nausea, fatigue, tremor. Ears, bloody noses, and you go to Vancouver talked about this, the first attack of U.S. embassy workers on foreign soil with microwaves. You know, that was that’s a real deal. These guys are sick for months and then the hospital and they couldn’t get better because they were so toxic, then you go into the bigs, cancer, suicide, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, cardiovascular, and then, now after fertility and yeah, so I see a note here. Yes, today’s stress. Yes 245 ways per second destructores water. Yes, 60 gigahertz, which is a 5G level, changes what oxygen molecules are made out of as well. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so we have different kinds of Wi-Fi, right? You could have the EMF put it in that camp. We have EMF maybe on our wrist from our smartwatch. We can have our Wi-Fi signals in our House, right. And then we’re going to have cell phone towers, especially the 5G, those, those kinds of the big ones or is there anything else missing?

Justin Frandson: Yeah. So we categorize it into three different types? Yeah. Milligauss magnetic resonance would be one where you get a magnetic resonance where you get a milligauss meter. That is in the 50 to 60 waves per second spectrum. Then we do dirty electricity, which is a static in the line. It measures amps to volts. That would be 4000 to 100,000 waves for a second approximately. And then you have the acoustic meters, the radio frequency meters that measure for the wireless signals from 50 million to several billions per second. So there’s meters to actually quantify and those stressors and those levels of each of those singles. So wireless would be any wireless signal Alexis, NASA units computers that aren’t hardwired. Uh, you’re others smartest.Of the self driving mechanisms and cars, all that stuff off your it’s all wireless. The Dirty electricity would be static in the lines from bad wiring, grids crossing outside your home, rats heating lines, signals going in and out of a junction don’t meet.That would cost static transformers on LED lights inside these new homes will cause lots of jury electricity and then the the milligauss is all the electricity in your home.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So what do you actually do about it? Right, because these stressors are all around us. You’re not going to get rid of Wi-Fi. You won’t even get rid of cell phone towers. Obviously you could do your best to be far away from them or from, you know, at least not to have one right on top of your kids school right nearby. You do your best to kind of mitigate exposure, especially when you’re sleeping, you can control some of the Wi-Fi in your house hardline, or turn it off when you sleep. What can, what are the actual practical things outside of like don’t do it or don’t use it? 

Justin Frandson: Practical for. Well, I want to dive into something else, too. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Sure. Let’s go ahead. Let’s hit that first thing, and then we’ll come back to it. 

Justin Frandson: OK. Yeah. So there’s a book I want everyone to read. It’s called the invisible rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg. Have you heard that one? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I Have. I heard of the author before. 

Justin Frandson: Yeah, he’s one of the biggest names in EMF, and if you guys haven’t read it, I highly recommend it. He categorized as a history of electricity and life and correlates every major pandemic to spikes in the in the.Increased electrification of our atmosphere. So let’s do a little physics and biology lesson here. Our atmosphere is made of Ether and plasma, OK, these waveforms travel through these plasma waves and particles travel through because of that is our air. We’re connected. We are one with the universe, alright. This is how we are made off of scalar with. So everything has a residence that carries a frequency and on man made stuff is all one directional or one word, so if you’re standing up outside of it and you’re in the sunlight. You’re not in the sunlight in one spot and then out of it in another spot. It distributes equally in every direction or biofield of our body resonates. It doesn’t just go out like straight out of your right ear. It’s a residence all around you, the human residence of Earth, you’re not in the residence in one spot and then out of it in another. It’s up there. So that’s what these scalar waves are based on. And so this book, the invisible rainbow. Anything before 1918? Uh, well actually let me backup anything we’ve had since 1889 were solar flares, we’re cosmic shifts. That’s where people have got sick. So they called the flu the flu because it would fly in when there was a solar flare, a cosmic ship. People’s bodies would adapt and then, you know, they get better and then we move on to someone you know because their body just adapted when they needed to at the level they were capable.That’s what we saw before 1889 when we introduced electricity in the homes. So we got home with electricity got shoes on so we’re not grounding and 1918 winner introduced radio waves that was the that was the first the Hong Kong first excuse me that was that was, uh, 1980 Spanish flu and then satellites in the Van Allen belt where the Hong Kong flu, World War Two radar and then 5G for the last two years. So basically what these doctors are saying like Tom Cowan, Andrew Kaufman, Zac Bush, Kelly Brogan. I mean all these and they’re and MD’s, you know, not that MD’s other and they’ll say, well, I’m more of a Cairo guy myself, but this, these doctors that have been medically trained are out there saying that electricity stressors is an environmental toxin and a biotoxin, and what we’re doing is we’re adapting to these toxins and that’s what’s happening right now. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK. How do you distinguish correlation versus causation because at the same time the last 100 years you know we’re doing a lot of other stressors being introduced whether it’s toxicity and our food nutritional deficiencies, you know excess antibiotic usage as a lot of other things. So how do you make the correlation of these things happening, but is it really dry? Is it really the root cause or is it just another stressor that our bodies are having to deal with, among many others? 

Justin Frandson: Well, that’s a great question. I mean you no one can argue that all these combinations of stressors don’t add up to be a stressor, but I think, when there’s a breaking point, like look, we can call and talk to someone across the globe instantly, I mean, right? So there’s no scratch in your head that you can broadcast something instantly. There’s no scratching your head that there’s a shift in the atmosphere.Yeah, that’s gonna mess up our REM patterns. So there’s too much there for me to go and do that EMF is not often the number one stressor right now. Zach Bush will say it’s glyphosate for the last 40 years of research.I’ll go back and say, hey, look at the invisible rainbow. The bibliography is 150 pages, so most reference books for reading and this is 1889 when it starts. So, there’s no scratch in your head. For me, I live in Newport Beach, California. Healthiest place on the planet. No one gets sick in June, so this year everyone was getting sent to everyone. But a lot of people were getting sick in June. That’s when they ratchet up and turn stuff up. People’s bodies will shift. There’s times where there’s going to be higher levels of certain stressors that are going to be that shift, and that’s what I feel are these triggers for. A lot of these major pandemics and Tom Cowan and a former MD turned in his license, but he’ll say when you pollute the ocean, you know the Dolphins will get sick. Yeah it’s not backed off and given  that often a virus or hey let’s look at their genes you know and in 2020 all get sick now that would be stupid. So we’re looking at things like it’s all environmental toxins that are the challenge here and I feel the top two or you know, EMF, obviously the 5G and then glyphosate.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense. No, I think that’s a big one for sure. And So what can we do about it with the EMF, right? I mean, there’s different devices that you can plug into your outlets to kind of help clean up some of the dirty electricity you shot me over, different things. What we can do is like a Faraday bag and you can put your phone in that or turn your phone off, or definitely don’t sleep near it. Definitely don’t keep it right on your person, especially in your pockets next to your genitals or sensitive tissue. You mentioned crystals and different things like that or rounding math. Let’s kind of go over the top three to five things that the everyday person could do. That’s pretty easy and simple.

Justin Frandson: Yeah, well. First, I distinguished the difference in products out there. So if someone’s looking for a product to clear. Basically what we want to look at is, is it a GMO product or is it an organic product because we all want to get it, we all don’t want something that’s been modified. So for me, I look to the healing power to kick off her residence, to create a coherence with us. So we hand my crystals. The crystals have moisture, magnetic properties in it, you know, that’s where our money bags look like.The other man made devices are devices that are looking to over power another device like. That’s a futile effort, so that’s a genetically modified signal, that’s non-native, that’s looking to replicate what nature already does. So, my first thing is awareness and understanding of the different products that are out there, because if you’re going to look at a product.To solve this. You gotta look to nature to do it.There’s no one who is more intelligent and has those medicinal qualities like Mother Nature. So the first thing would be our grounding bags in your home and you not having bags in your home, you’re outside and you’re getting grounded outside so you’re getting barefoot your touching a tree, you’re gaining bodies of water. You’re doing your grounding protocols outside. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And the goal of grounding is what like you, the goal is you dispersing some kind of positive ion charge in the body. Is that what you’re doing? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah, so one of my favorite books is called Electric body Electric Health by Eileen McKusick and she talks about your body being a body battery. You get a negative ionic charge from Earth, and we pull those electrons from it. You get a positive charge from the unpolarized light of the sun coming from above. And then breathe in the minerals and hopefully we get it from our food, but this is how our body battery recharges. And so we’re getting that, getting grounded by nature, being outside, so the sunlight will do it.Getting in those resonances, the negative charge we’ll deal with the bodies of water, touching trees barefoot, laying down on a picnic. Gardening, climbing rocks, all that good stuff like that’s gonna get you that grounding, that negative charge. So that’s how our body battery works.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s good. So you really happened and dispersed a lot of those positive ion charges which you’re going to accumulate when you’re around a lot of these wireless frequencies. Is that correct? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah, definitely. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how does the crystal work? How do the crystals work and do you have to keep them in the bag so they don’t get dehydrated? Can you take him out? 

Justin Frandson: Yes, exactly. They have to stay in the bag and they’re sealed and you use it as is, so you keep it sealed. They come like this. And there’s about 1 pound of crystals in here. They work the same way nature does as they kick off a resonance to convert the one directional wave forms and then they feed us the electrons. So that’s the way Mother Nature works. That’s why it feels so good to go to the beach and get grounded and going? You’re recharging your body battery. Literally, scientifically, that’s the physics and the biology that’s occurring. So, as far as using these protocols, well, you can do is you can accelerate this product going to your body. You can hold it top on it. Cover your eyes. Cover your teeth. Cover your thymus. Cover your large intestine one at a time and that’ll accelerate the medicinal properties to recharge you. Because when people have layers of toxicity sucking their energy field and biofield. They’re going to be more sensitive to EMF. If they have toxicity internally they’re going to be a more sensitive EMF, so an internal flush would be protease, digestive enzyme and then apple cider vinegar. That will be a very subtle detox for internal stuck EMF. External, you’ve got your grounding protocols outside and you gotta do the tapping with the grounding bag inside.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK, that’s cool. And with the crystals there are certain types of crystal people can look forward to. I mean obviously we, you know we’ll put your site below is a good resource but is there any specific kind of crystal that you find works better. 

Justin Frandson: Well, yeah, they’re the average person won’t be able to find it, unfortunately. Amethyst Shanghai black tourmaline. They are known to have Tesla property or magnetic resonance. Well what happens is they’re getting overrun too quickly with all the access to EMF in our world. So we had to deploy a 1 pound bag of crystals of hand mine that would have moisture with the magnetic, so the combination of the moisture with that Mech properties is what allows them to be exponentially stronger for repelling EMF. So the average person is never going to find these colloid crystals anywhere. They’re hand mine, they’re over 85% of here. You’re not gonna find the purity and be able to bring that rest to your home like we have with fees.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. And so the average person can do what with the crystal just put it in, put it on the night stand when they sleep to help kind of provide a filtration of a lot of the EMF frequency. Can they just get a small one, put it on their person. How do you use it? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah. So Doctor Justin, when you put it on your bed. At the head of the bed. And if it’s not on it,  If it’s under it.Lean it against the leg of the bed, at the head, the back. They’ll sleep 30 to 50% better.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. That’s good to test it. I mean, the whole idea crystals always seem a little out there for me, but. You know, I get it like we can’t see Wi-Fi, we can’t see all these things around us and we know everything does have a frequency to it. So the more you can kind of harmonize that or or or neutralize the negative impact of these frequencies, it makes sense. We know there’s a stress component, especially 5G. And so crystals are one big tool. What else? Anything else we can do that simple? You mentioned the internal stuff, you mentioned enzymes, apple cider vinegar, you mentioned some clays or binders, what else? 

Justin Frandson: I mean those are some great things to do. People like carbon C64. I like doing methylation so I like to open up methylation pathways. So I need methylfolate, it is great. You gotta do magnesium. I like some calcium as well as magnesium. And it’s probably one of the biggest things that everyone really needs, like on a day-to-day basis. This is uh, uh, but for EMF protection, just keep hydrating yourself. Get some good distilled water with some minerals in it. That’ll be the most mineral dense water will do. And then structure it. That would be even better.So those are kind of the things that we’re looking at.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good, Justin. Well, we had a bunch of good things today. We’ll put the links down there below as good references for your site where they can get more information. Any other coordinates or information you want to leave to the listeners here?

Justin Frandson: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me on you got.I just really wanna encourage you to understand physics and biology and what health really is. And good health is really connecting above and getting grounded into nature and smiling and living and touching and hugging each other and being together and that’s that’s the answer. That’s the essence of living for life, having fun and smiling. A smile is the most contagious thing on the planet. So there’s bioenergetic resonances that naturally occur in nature that are stronger than anything. And I want people to stop living in fear and understand what true health is and that our viruses are just our adopted system at work. We’re dead proteins that we produce so there’s No Fear, there’s nothing flying around to kill anyone. We just smile and live for life and you guys the most important thing you can do right now for your health is to do all those and make sure you’re getting out in nature and getting grounded by nature and then when you’re inside use your  grounding bags and then also establish pro, turn your Wi-Fi off, turn your electrical off in your bedrooms. Create your home into a really quiet resonance so it’s closer to as human residence, not these one directional, billions of waves per second when you’re trying to sleep and heal. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good, Justin. I appreciate it. What are your sights again? We have 

Justin Frandson: We have clinics all around the country and then is where we have our curated health and performance products and that’s spelled athletic SM for those of you who have trouble spelling athleticism. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: OK, perfect. I will put links down below. People can get access. Oh, by the way, Faraday bags. How, how do you use those by the way? And do you always keep your phone into a Faraday bag? Is it only at night when you’re kind of putting your phone away? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah. So we have two sides of the Faraday bags. Thanks for asking, Doctor J.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How does it work, by the way? How does it even work? Like, what is it exactly? 

Justin Frandson: Yeah. So people think of Faraday, they think of a very change where no frequencies going in and out of our static bags are 7 millimeters, so frequencies go in and out of them. So that’s the difference. But there’s a physics component that when you put a polarizing positive charge inside of it, it fairly back squash it to what bio would consider safe levels and muscle testing. Applied kinesiology, would our body would feel safe levels that we can handle now what also happens so it dampens the signal strength of your cell phone to safe levels, your phone may or may not ring inside there, but what it also do is is it’s it does is it stops the data harvesting so it slows down the aggregation of all the information, they’re coming from you. That’s the drain on your battery. That’s why everyone’s battery dies so quickly because they are listening to everything. They’re aggregating every bit of your information every second of the day. They know all your biometrics now, if you’re giving him your retina scan, your voice, your face, your Palm imprint, I mean these. These are some of the most individual imprints of your body you don’t want to use for commerce so avoid using fingers, palm print, voice, Retina Face, imprint to get access to your phone, you don’t want that information. You don’t want to use it for commerce because they know your passcode, they know where you live, how fast you drive all this information. They’re just aggregating, sending it to AI to create this meta universe, so as much as I love technology is allowing us to connect where we probably one of because you’re more in Texas and I’m in California but this stuff is cool, we just have to develop proximity protocol with it and understand that it’s enhancing and certain times and then when you’re not using it and get it away from you. They’re already back. If you have to sleep with your phone on at night, make sure things inside the bag are tested and put in there, seal it. You’ll have the best night sleep, your phone will still ring and you won’t have the thing tapping on your shoulder all night long. Saying talk to me, talk to me. This is that it’s essentially, that’s what it does. It’s always looking for a signal. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is your phone safe if you put it on airplane mode and it’s on you? Is it safer? Is it still less signal? 

Justin Frandson: Way better. Way better, because there’s not that wireless looking for that signal. So definitely get it. Get in airplane mode. The next step would be to save your battery because they’re still gonna aggregate through airplane mode. They’re always having these signals on these.Telecommunication companies, they want all your information. They’re beaconing stuff. So they’re always doing this called surveillance marketing. It’s why Apple’s a multibillion dollar company. It’s not an office selling devices. Yeah, they sell a lot of devices, but.It’s this marketing that they’re doing and listening to. They’re selling your information. That’s where they’re really making the substantial revenue from. So slow down this aggregation information actually on your biometrics and we’ll be able to stop this meta universe and really get back to connection with God and getting grounded by nature. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, with a lot of these tech companies you are the product, it’s good to keep your privacy and keep it yours. You know, have control over that. So I like having tools that put kind of these controls back in your hand. So Justin Fradson, really appreciate today’s podcast and we’ll put links down below for some of the some of the good products.That we talked about here today, and I’ll put links to the books that we chatted about in the show notes as well. Have a phenomenal day, Justin, great chatting with you.

Justin Frandson: Hey, thank you, Doctor J, man. Appreciate you.


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The Body Electric – EMF, Infrared Light and Energy Medicine | Podcast #307

Hey guys! In this video, we have Dr. J’s guest, Dr. Christine Schaffner – a neuropathic physician. Here, learn how to protect yourself against EMF, wifi, and cellular wave frequencies. In this summit, we review the benefits of grounding near and far-infrared frequencies. We also learn about HRV and techniques to help get your nervous system incoherent so you can heal and improve your health faster. 

Infrared therapy is now typical in medicine, dentistry, autoimmune diseases, and veterinary medicine, to name a few. This therapy is natural, safe and enables it to be offered as an alternative treatment for various health conditions like muscle pain, joint stiffness, and arthritis, to name a few. 

Infrared therapy’s key benefits are cardiovascular health, pain and inflammation, muscular injuries, detoxification, and potential cancer cure. Moreover, watch the full podcast to know more about the summit, how to try this, and its full details.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

4:10      Heart, Brain, Sensory Neurons

9:12      Photobiomodulation

15:45    Wireless Technology, WiFi, EMF

20:59    Benefits of EMF Reader

22:28    Infrareds

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live is Dr. J here in the house with Dr. Christine Schaffner, really excited to interview Dr. Christine today. You can find more about Dr. Christine at We’ll put the link below for y’all. Dr. Christine, how you doing this morning. Nice to meet you.

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Oh, it’s so nice to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. So I know you have a summit coming up called the Body Electric 2.0 summit, where you talk about all things, from energy medicine, to sound medicine, to EMF to all kinds of sound vibration, all kinds of cool little things. We’re going to dive into a couple of these aspects today. If anyone’s really interested in this content out of the gates, we’ll put the Body Electric 2.0 summit linked down below so you guys can get more access to that awesome information. Dr. Christine, how are we doing?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: We’re good, we’re good. And I just appreciate the opportunity to share this topic. I’m so passionate about this field of medicine. And you and I both treat really chronically ill complex patients and I love our functional medicine. I love our naturopathic medicine, I love the realm of what we call bio regulatory medicine. But I think we’re still in this pioneering pioneering opportunity to really integrate more therapies and more approaches that utilize the understanding of our biophysical nature, and that we have this Body Electric. And this is the title of, you know, the late Dr. Becker’s work. And he was ahead of his time, but knowing that, you know, again, we’re beyond our biochemistry. So we obviously have hormones and cytokines and all all the ways that our body communicates and regulates. But we also have this electromagnetic nature. And I always start with the heart, because I think people can understand that. And we know that our heart has the strongest electromagnetic field in our body. And I had Dr. Roland McCrady, from heart math, they’re doing amazing research on really how the heart informs the brain. And the heart is really the great orchestrator in this electromagnetic nature in our body. And even if you think about beyond the the field in our heart, we actually have a sensory nerites, about I think about 40,000 in our heart, and we have direct lines of communication from our heart to our brain. And so getting our heart in the state of what we will call coherence and sounds complicated, but it’s really simple and how we can practice things like gratitude. And you know, the things that make us feel good actually have this really important biological effect to regulate our body. You have our electromagnetic nature of our heart, we know we have brain waves that are measured with EG so we know that medical science, conventional medicine understands the applications and the implications of biophysics to either diagnose and to also understand where we want a treatment. So also beyond that we have ultrasound right using sound waves with our eyes, using magnetic resonance. And so you know, when we think about that, too, so we have that understanding. And then I’m I have Dr. Beverly Rubik, who’s a biophysicist, from UC Berkeley, I’ve just loved her work over the years. And she coined the term biofield. And she put that in PubMed in 1996 1994. So it’s a medical term that was searchable, and that people could really research this understanding that we have this field of information and energy that surrounds our body that is comprised of low light emissions, and it’s measurable. You know, I’m hoping, you know, in my lifetime, we have more and more things that we can use in the office to measure this field of energy. And it’s not just this random field of energy that’s kind of kind of this offshoot of all of the biophysical things that are happening in the body, but it’s actually a field of information that also informs our body. So in order to really heal a chronic illness, and to heal our biochemistry, we have to look at this field of information and energy around us. And use tools and therapies that can help heal where there could be incoherence or dissonance or stagnation in our energy that can translate into physical symptoms. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s try to connect it to patients so they can get an application and how it actually improves their health. I find if we have all this information, but we can’t really apply it, then it’s not as useful. So out of the gates, you kind of talked about some of the coherence stuff and some of the heart I think you said, What 70% of the heart neurons that are actually they’re actually like brain neurons or neurological tissue, not just heart muscle, is that correct?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: There’s 40,000 sensory neurons in the heart so meaning that that we are our heart has a brain you know, and information and energy. information goes directly to key parts in our brain to that help us not only have more coherent brainwaves and more organized neurology but also helps to connect to what we call the limbic part of our brain. That is a lot of where our store trauma can happen are kind of automatic react. can happen in life. And so to make it really practical, and I love that, again, really simple practices of getting in the state of positive emotion can actually help to strengthen the rhythm of our heart. And that informs our brain and so on a gratitude practice, a lot of kind of self help gurus, you know, are like recommending this, you know, gratitude journal, and you know, the work of Joe dispenza. And I love Tony Robbins, and you know, all those wonderful people who really have these morning rituals, often or even evening rituals or bookend your day on, you know, having this, these, this gratitude practice can be not just a feel good energy, but it can really make your body heal.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So in regards to the kind of the execution of that, for myself, it’s breathing, right and try to have some type of gratitude and focus on my breath, try to really activate a lot of the parasympathetic neurons by breathing through my nose versus breathing through my mouth, and then focusing on good breath and then all the gratitude, is it. Is it that simple? Or is there any more nuance to it so patients can, can execute it?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, you know, I think for this piece, it’s really that simple. There are measurable tools and more wearable devices are things that people are implementing, we want to look at what we call heart rate variability. And yes, it’s a direct window into our parasympathetic nervous system. And the more variability we have, the more that our body can switch into parasympathetic mode. And it’s kind of a marker of longevity and health. And so that’s another tool that we can track on heart math, you can actually buy devices through heart math that track heart rate variability, and that can be biofeedback to see when you’re in the states what it does heart rate variability, there’s also the aura ring. There’s also like, elite HRV, there-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You have a favorite one for you, that you use with patients are yourself?

Evan Brand: Yeah, you know, I’ve been using elite HRV. And then there’s also the aura ring. I like the aura ring, because you can turn off the Bluetooth. And so I have a lot of sensitive patients to EMF, so they get a little wary of trackable devices, which I totally understand. And then in the office, I do I have a really unique therapy called sound of soul that actually measures your heart rate variability, and then converts your heart rate variability to music, and then plays it back to you. And so, yeah, this ultimate biofeedback of turning your own heart rhythm into music to actually create more coherence in your body. And it translates into, like a lot of not only feeling of peace and parasympathetic states, but also can be very healing for the emotional body. I have an Austrian researcher, and I’m the creator of this, Rasmus, Count burghausen, who’s on the seminar as well. And he studied with Dr. emoto, who is the water guy right? Now you can put intention with water and how that change the crystalline structure of the water. And, you know, we are mostly water right. And so I had a lot of speakers to talk about all these nuances with water to so we know about exclusions on water, structured water and deuterium depletion and hydrogen water. But, you know, knowing that we’re water, you know, and knowing that we can change the water in our body by, you know, having, you know, positive sounds. And there’s, I mean, I can’t go down the list of, you know, this other direction. But that’s another tool I use in the office to look at heart rate variability and how the music of your heart can improve your heart rate variability,

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. And so the best kind of at home things that people can get their hands on out of the gates, I know the M wave, is a wonderful device that you can do obviously, or ring is excellent as well, any other kind of wearable or at home things that you do yourself personally, or that you recommend for patients so they can look at this kind of dial it in and optimize their physiology. 

Dr. Christine Schaffner: As far as heart rate variability and heart coherence, I think we have that covered. You know, other tools that I use at home are in the realm of photo bio modulation and sound medicine that we go in depth on Body Electric 2.0. And and happy to share more about that as well. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, let’s talk about that. So what’s photobiomodulation? I’m guessing something to do with light. 

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah. So you know, this is, I think, such a fascinating part of medicine. And we are wired to respond to light, right? So we have things in our body called chromophores and chromophores are they respond to different wavelengths of light and light is part of the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum. And so, you know, it ranges from UV light to infrared light and everything in between. And each of those sections of light or colors or light, or they correspond to different wavelengths of light. And then different wavelengths of light have different activities in the body. Right? So the things that we’re thinking about when we think about photobiomodulation is, okay, what’s the wavelength of light? What does that translate of what we call depth of penetration, and our tissues is it scratched the surface, or is it gonna go deeper into the body where we can affect even more change. And then there’s a whole other realm, not only called photobiomodulation, but it’s called photodynamic therapy, which we talked about also in the summit. And photodynamic therapy is pairing something called photosensitizers. So natural substances and also synthetic, that actually make us more able to receive treatment from like, for example, things like riboflavin, or blue, our, you know, green tea, or poly MBA, or our teas are all the things those substances actually get taken up to. This is where I just continue to like marvel at nature. So inflamed cells and cancer cells more naturally take up those photosensitizers. And then they’re more vulnerable to different wavelengths of light. And so for instance, if we’re trying to, you know, affect the mitochondria, we might use, you know, red light, paired with methylene, blue, or so forth, where we can use that combination. And that’s an in office tool. At this point, we use IV laser, we use topical laser, but at home, you can use more photobiomodulation tools. And so the things at home that I think are really helpful are in red, and infrared I have on my desk here a sauna space photon that I love with bread, I put it on all the time when I’m you know, working and that helps to penetrate a little bit more deeply into myself. And it helps to not only have a heating action, which improves circulation, blood flow, detoxification, but it also helps to tell part of our mitochondria to help to produce more energy. And so, so yeah, I think that, you know, more and more tools, Dr. J, are more affordable, you know, and, you know, more accessible I also have even like a little Jew, traveler that I haven’t made that my daughter loves it, you know, but it’s red and red light. And so, Eddie Weber makes the laser helmet, so it has red and infrared. And I think that is, you know, is that Weber medical, an outfit out of Germany. Dr. Weber is this wonderful German physician who really pioneered the use of photodynamic therapy, especially with oncology. But the Webber laser helmet is infrared, so it actually penetrates through the skull into the brain. And so can you compare that with photosensitizers? Or just do it alone, and that can help clear things like amyloid beta or things that affect and trigger neuro inflammation or improve the glymphatic system, you know, at night and so, um, so yeah, there’s a lot of exciting tools in the realm of photobiomodulation and photodynamic therapy, but the the premise of that is that we’re wired to receive light. And then also there’s a whole we have people who are talking about color puncture on the summit. Dr. Peter Mendell is a German naturopath who, you know, knows the work of Fritz Albert pop with a biophoton theory that our cells again not only communicate with biochemistry, but with bio photons. So low light and low light, low level light emissions. And we know when healthy cells healthy cells emit coherent organized light, and disease cells do not. So they’re incoherent, low, low levels of light, so you can add, add biophotons to the body to help heal the cells. And on colored puncture. We have Dr. Peter Mendell and Rosemary Horne talking about it and it’s a wonderful adjunct therapy to the work that we do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, so the things that people can do at home out of the gates is get some kind of a red light device. I have a Jew Jews nice, we’ll put a link down below for the Jews. I’ve seen some of the sauna space light bulbs, those are nice too out of the gates pretty inexpensive. Anything else that any like any other tech devices that people can get access to that they can apply in their daily life?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, you know, I think I’m not only like thinking about photobiomodulation photodynamic therapy, but I think also another key point Dr. J’s circadian lighting. So I think, you know, our, our brain really responds to light in the cycle of light throughout the day. So the natural rhythms of light and we’re around a lot of what we will call junk lighting, we have a lot of inappropriate wavelengths of light at different time. Eating rhythms, so, you know, you want kind of blue light in the morning and you want more red and Amber lights during night to tell your pineal gland that it’s nighttime to produce healthy amounts of melatonin that really help to not only help restore your sleep, but to heal your brain. I’ve been a fan of Dave Asprey truedark circadian light, I have it here. I can turn it red at night. When I’m working when I’m too late. We should be in bed, but I don’t know to you know, read. Again. There’s all sorts of screen savers to to help and then of course, blue blocking glasses. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, cool. So the blue Blocking glasses I like and then what’s that true dark technologies that just the light that goes on that goes brighter that more red at night meltdown?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, you can basically change the, the wavelength of light throughout the day. So you can use the brighter blue tones during the day and kind of like a red or amber at night. It’s really nice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Something to kind of bump cortisol during the day with the blue but then also maybe decrease cortisol and more kind of support melatonin production at night with more the red and amber light.

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, and you know, we need blue in the morning to break down and melatonin so so we’re Yes, yeah. So, you know, and then, you know, again, if we’re overexposed to blue light at that time, we’re not getting that signal and everybody, you know, still producing melatonin, and that’s optimal levels.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that makes sense. So what about wireless technology? What about EMF? What about Wi Fi? What are things that we can do? Because sometimes, you know, we have to engage in this to work and to do all the things we got to do. One, is it safe to what are things that we can do to mitigate any stress that may be causing on our body?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, you know, it’s a great question. And I think we’re learning more and more each year. You know, obviously, technology makes our life very connected. And there’s so many that we you know, benefits of it, but it does have, you know, effects on the body. And it’s cumulative over time, right, that electromagnetic radiation has a cumulative overtime effect. And I think, why it’s such a problem right now is because there’s no breaks during our day. And you know, that we are not exposed to all sorts of either microwave or RF or, you know, dirty like, or magnetic fields. And so, I have Nicholas Pino and Lloyd Burrell on this, you know, talking about EMF, and you know, the thing that I like patients to focus on because it can be so overwhelming. And when you have an icy chronically ill people who often have a neurological illness. And you know, when you’re trying to heal from a neurological illness, you really, this is really important, because this can be very disruptive for your, for your health, and it can affect peroxy nitrite. It can affect melatonin production live, if I own it can put you in the cell danger response. So we know this. And so how do we break the time, you know, that we’re exposed, and I think focusing on your sleeping location is really important. This is a time when your body needs to heal repair, it’s the time that the lymphatic system works. And so you know, if you can do kind of layer things, right, so, turn off your Wi Fi at night on if you’re really sick, I wouldn’t encourage you not to have Wi Fi in your home. If you, you know, again, don’t bring any devices in your room, try to, you know, not bring your phone in your room or your iPad. And then again, looking at dirty electricity in the wiring of the wall. So that has to do with household wiring. And you can measure that with something called a stetzer filter. There’s also greenwave filters that come with little devices that you can plug into your outlets and see, you know, is there a disharmonic electrical field being emitted from the the wall and our being our body and then the solution, it’s an expense, but it’s simple, you just put a filter that helps to create more of a harmonious harmonious electrical current from the wall. So thinking about dirty electricity turning off the wind, I know again, depending on how sick people are and where they live. I mean, if a cell phone tower or 5g towers like right across the street from you, you might have to up you know the protection. Again, just focusing on the bedroom first. So you can work with a building biologist. I love the work of Brian Hoyer, we show that healing people like that who can come and measure and really give you specific guidance for your home and what to spend money on. So is that feeling pain? Is that you know, films over your windows? Is that asleep canopy? Is that moving your bedroom into another place of your house because you know distance is your friend. And so a lot of times if we can manipulate those variables people can find you know how they can at least optimize their sleeping location.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What about like EMF harmonizing devices. Obviously, I have I think I saw some of the green wave electricity filters right. I think that’s what you were recommending earlier about some of the EMF harmonizing devices you’ll see put on on phones or like little pens or maybe even a grounding mat. Are those worthwhile? Do they have a beneficial effect?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: It’s a great question. And, um, you know, the greenwave are dirty electricity that are you know, work and they’re these harmonizers right. I haven’t been the backpacker, many back on the, you know, summit and she has a company called the matrix where she works with a French researcher. And, you know, I was I’ve been always really skeptical of harmonizers because I think okay, how, you know, how does that work with, you know, my, you know, limited understanding of biophysics, right. I my mind is opening that there’s a place for harmonizing technology. You know, when we think of just principles of physics, we can you know, change energy and information to to either make it a helium frequency or harmful frequency. And what you matrix does is it’s these, these little, I have one of my phone here, you can put them in your shoes, they have grounding discs, the grounding discs are quite cool in that, you put them in the bottom of your feet. And when you walk on them, they’re these crystalline kind of disks that when you walk on them, they stimulate what we call a piezo electric effect in your, in your body, and it structures the water in your body that I think makes you more resilient to the oncoming stress. So I think about harmonizers, if there’s a way that the harmonizing technology can increase your resilience to the, you know, constant assault, you know, of this information in and day out, and I think this is, I think this is where we have to go, and I’m excited that there are more people looking at this and studying this, because, you know, unfortunately, we’re just gonna be it’s gonna get worse before it gets better before we can change technologies.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And are you quantifying a lot of the benefits of these devices? Like, do you have a good EMF reader? I know, there’s one out there called Safe and sound, that’s pretty good. We’re or there’s a trifield meter? That’s pretty good to where you can, you know, you can try some of these different block or technologies and measure it, how are you quantifying it outside of just how you feel?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, you know, it’s a good question. So, you know, there are, of course, data points, you know, with patient care. And then, um, you know, as far as looking at shielding technologies, you know, we think about looking at, you know, whether they’re affected by, like you said, the safe and sound leader, the coordinate meter is kind of like a red, yellow, green kind of system, that can be very helpful. Again, you know, knowing what you’re measuring, so if you’re measuring RF versus magnetic fields, so try and feel. So those are, you know, you know, great tools. And I also just think that, you know, working with a building biologist, is going to be the most helpful because they look can also measure what we call body voltage. So looking at how these, how these mitigation tools actually change the effect on your physical body, right, so they can, you know, look at the body voltage to see how these things change, actually, the effect on your body. There’s an Austrian group, I’m geo vital. They train people to look at this. And that’s Brian Hoyer he studied with him, they have a lot of great information there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, cool. Excellent. Anything else you want to let patients know or everyday person know about this kind of technology? I know, a big question I get all the time is near infrared, far infrared? Or both? What’s your take on on the two? And how are they different? You know, in regards to wavelength and such?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, yeah, so we have the infrared spectrum, right. And so there’s a near middle and far, so it depends on you know, where you are in that category, I think all of them have, you know, a benefit the forest gonna be a little bit more, you know, penetrating. But I think that, you know, having a range, if you can kind of have a mix of all of those wavelengths, that’s going to be the best. But again, I think that’s, you know, I don’t think I think we can kind of maybe hyper focus on that a little too much. I think that whole spectrum of wavelength is healing for the body and just finding a tool that’s accessible and affordable for you and that you feel something from I think is really important. And I am I didn’t answer one of your questions Dr. J about grounding. Grounding mats have been around and some are better than others, I’ve seen people feel really good from them and I’ve seen people get worse and when you have a grounding mat, you want to make sure that is grounded. So you want to make sure if you have to plug it in that that outlet is the absolute measure that like Home Depot does look at that. So that’s really important. [inaudible] beds are their friends of mine and they have a really nice grounding pad, it’s more expensive, but it’s it works very well people need that kind of support. And then again, you don’t need a fancy grounding pad you can just go out in nature and put your feet in the ground and that that works and I think grounding is just another practice like gratitude. You know that one that really can help our physical bodies in so many ways decrease inflammation help with blood flow and circulation and so forth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it and so we have the the shortwave, that’s more like the regular infrared red light right and then the longer wave that’s what you may get like at an infrared sauna. 

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, it depends like Infrared Sauna can be it can be near middle or far the kind of the range nomination got it. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so the short is good for what and the lungs good for what?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: it’s just depth of penetration. So the longer length the more depth that will penetrate into your fat cells right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So short maybe like topical skin or inflammation on the surface-

Dr. Christine Schaffner: – Penetrate I mean, I don’t know off the top of my head those centimetres penetrate but you still get that’s that’s the that’s the category of wavelength of light that gets the farthest in the body and then it’s Just semantics with the, the near middle and far, but it’s gonna all of those are gonna penetrate more than red light.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that’s what like 700 nanometers and up to two to 3000-

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Red is 660 nanometers and near infrared is around 880. So I think Yeah, the cutoff is like 700 to 1200. 

Yeah, it’s links down below for your summit, we’re gonna do, we’ll put the link down below for anyone that’s listening, they just want to click, you’re good to go there any other real world kind of applicable information that people listening and they want to start taking control of their health? How do they use some of these cool techniques? Is there any other aspects that we haven’t talked about yet? You want to share?

Yeah, you know, there’s one other aspect that I’m really excited about is that’s the field of sound medicine. So, you know, we know altra sound is a sound waves to diagnose. So treat our bodies therapeutically. And you know, we are I had a woman who’s a neurologist, Dr. Choudry, who wrote a book called sound medicine if you want to dive deeper, and she’s a neurologist, who also studies ancient Indian texts that mapped out the body that we all have, every body part has a resonant sound that can bring it back into balance. And so, you know, we can use sound medicine through mantras chanting, Eileen McKusick talks about biofield tuning. So using tuning forks, I talked about sound of soul. But you know, finding [inaudible] was on the summon, and she uses a lot of meditations and sound therapies to also, you know, just to also leave help the body emotionally, as well. And so I think, um, you know, sound medicine, I love sound baths, you know, there’s a lot of things now through zoom that you can do in the comfort of your own home, but we’re wired to receive light and sound. And I think that can be finding the tools and therapies that are accessible to you. And those categories can really support your healing on a lot of levels.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s excellent. Dr. Christine, really appreciate it. Well, we’re gonna put the links down below for the summit, or And then your site is We’ll put the spelling and the link down below for anyone listening. Any other coordinates, you want to share the listeners with your podcast, or YouTube channel or anything else you want to share?

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, thank you. I have a podcast that you can find on that website, the Spectrum of Health, Dr. J’s been on it. And I also my clinic is called eminence health where we have a team of doctors who treat complex chronic illness with all of these modalities and more. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you’re primarily in the in the Seattle area.

Dr. Christine Schaffner: Yeah, so I’m in Seattle, I’m a naturopathic doctor. So I can see new patients and a number of states have acquired a number of licenses over the pandemic so I can treat more people, virtually who are new and I have a presence in Seattle in California.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. Dr. Christine will really appreciate you sharing these excellent information. Again, for more information, y’all. Click down below getting access to that summit, where you’re going to get 20 or 30, other really good experts, speakers and all these different topics and you can dive in. Dr. Christine, thank you so much.


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Dr. Jack Kruse – Functional medicine mistakes, EMF, sunlight and your mitochondria – Podcast #135

Dr.  Justin Marchegiani and Dr. Jack Kruse talk about the mitochondria and the environmental effects on it. Learn more about the importance of sunlight exposure and other light exposure as Dr. Jack shares his views and personal experiences about it.

Know about solar callus and be informed on ways to optimize light exposure including the processes and benefits involved. Discover more about biohacking the environment and get some valuable insights on the different types of diet that correlate to the location where you live.

In this episode, we cover:Dr. Jack Kruse

07:44   Sunlight and blue light exposure

16:20   Diet and its correlation to environment and climate 

32:30   Optimizing light exposure

44:11   Biohacking the environment

52:37   Assessing redox potential







Dr. Justin Marchegiani
: Hey there! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. We are live here with Dr. Jack Kruse, neurosurgeon. Again, really excited to be having Dr. Jack Kruse on the show. Again, Dr. Jack Kruse went to dental school, then medical school, and then a neurosurgical residency. This guy is a modern day Renaissance man. Put a lot of time and effort into get to where he’s at now. So we’re really excited to have Dr. Jack Kruse back in the show.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Hey, what’s going on?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s not too much, man. You just got back from the neurosurgery uh—just a little while ago trauma, you mentioned so I’m glad that we had better connection here. We’re connected again.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we we’re talking—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Sorry about it—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. No worries. I mean you’re in the trenches. I love it. You— your clinically getting your hands dirty every day, you are on-call last night like you mentioned, too. But before we had cut off, I want to bring back the couple key topics you were mentioning. One was the top functional medicine mistakes. And you were kinda echoing some of the EMF stuff, some of the sunlight stuff. So I’m gonna let you roll on that for a few. Go ahead.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. Well the two biggies for me. I’ve been in that rehab to have everybody uhm—restate their position on—on their theories. One is SNP’s and the other one is probably adrenal fatigue.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And I think adrenal fatigue, the number one thing that we both need to agree on is the name should probably go by the wayside.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Because functionally, it’s uh— it’s a problem with brainstem and specifically the periventricular nucleus. And that nucleus is supposed to be balanced by another nucleus called uh—vagal motor complex.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And that’s six different nuclei in the brainstem and basically that system  runs  the parasympathetic system and the periventricular nucleus  runs the sympathetic system. And when we talk about homeostasis or balance, those systems are designed to be yoke properly with the proper circadian signal that are present in the environment. The thing that people do not realize is when you alter the environment, it alters the response of all these brainstem nuclei. And the key way it happens is actually via the mitochondria. And mitochondria are, you know, these double layer uh—organelles that deliver most of the energy in the body. And when I say most of the energy, I wanna give people a really good visual so they understand it. Uh— I think we can compare it to like plants because I think that’s a good way to start. Uhm—when we think about plants, plants are completely connected to the earth’s magnetic field and the 

canopy is into the sun 24/7 so the reason they don’t have to eat is their pulling all  of their electrons that are excited by photons uh—in those two ways. Uhm—they’re not designed to move across the tectonic plates so they use a different system. Uhm— most people know that system is called photosynthesis. The uh— interesting part are us since we’re animals, more complex, we move across  the tectonic plates and we’re moving in and out of the canopy. That means that we have to have backup system in us that plants don’t have to have. And what people functionally do not realize is they look at a chloroplastin and they look at mitochondria, they’re exactly the same.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Meaning they were both once bacteria, that compare with what we consider endosymbiosis. In other words, we_them and we change their function to be uh— an energy producer. Uh—what people don’t understand in animals, is that, on average and I’m giving you averaging on being a 70-kg adult, meats on average to make 85 kg of ATP per day. So I want you to think about that. If you have to make more ATP per day than you weigh, that is the function of a mitochondria. But here is where it gets really interesting. Food only provides 1/3 of the amount of electrons to make ATP. Well, guess what is—is supposed to provide the other two thirds? Sunlight—and how does that happen? It’s a function of the protein in the intermitochondrial membrane called uh—Cytochrome C Oxidase which I think most people know. And Cytochrome C Oxidase is a heme protein just like hemoglobin in our skin. Uh—and what it does it absorbs best in what we call the optical window. And the optical window grows from about 700-1400 average specifically in the red infrared range. And what does it do? It makes ATPase spend much faster and we create uhm— several things from that. Not only do we create ATP, we create the other 2/3 of the ATP that food don’t  provide us. The other key thing is the faster the ATPase spends, the higher magnetic flux we create in a cell. And that’s where magnetic fields come and—and most people who are in the allophatic and functional medicine don’t functionally really understand how the magnetic field is generated and how it’s designed to alter as current that comes across the intermitochondrial membrane in the form of electrons. And also—In fact, everything in the environment, okay? Everything functionally comes down to electrons.  If you don’t believe me, there’s your— And I know everybody who’s a doctor, if you remember back to basic Chemistry in high school, they said that just the change in electrons show changes chemistry everywhere. That’s what valence chemistry is all about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So electrons are really important to talk about how to— how do you affect, how do you change or reduce the oxidation of these electrons coz oxidation is essentially a loss of these electrons. That’s what causes the rust—the nails—

Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s—that’s—that’s too far down the path. You need to understand something you’ve got more simple. How do we program electrons? Here’s—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Here’s the interesting thing. Everything in the world—everything has electrons in it, okay? So how do we program electrons naturally? You do it by sunlight frequencies. In other words, an electron becomes excited and once it gets excited, it goes up to this state. The difference between this state and this state is the redox potential. That’s what you just asked me. But you have to realize what excites the electron first is the key. And the interesting thing if you look at the mitochondria, as it’s laid out, Cytochrome 1 and Cytochrome 5 which is ATPase that redox potential is designed go from about -400 all the way to zero where oxygen is. So it’s the same effect. So what is light’s real goal? Light’s real goal is to figure out how to take an electron after it’s been programmed as it falls to the ground state, it capture the light energy that programs that electron. And that’s what makes a tomato’s electron different than a cucumber than a stake that you’ve just said. And there’s a frequency—a rosetta stone frequency in everything, in all our environment and your mitochondria pays attention to that. That’s the reason why I told you earlier that we’re designed to pay attention to the environment, and it’s not an endogenous defect within us. The defect is created because there is a disconnection in the system in terms of how it’s able to connect to nature and the reason that’s occurred for our species is because we think all the things that we come up are really great because we don’t understand the owner’s manual, what’s built into the mitochondria and how it works.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So how are we applying this with the sunlight? Is there an optimal time of day? What exposure look like? What part of the body is getting it? Are you wearing the glasses all day long to block out the blue light? How are you applying this so that you can get the maximal electron benefit in your life?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, Justin, you have a pretty interesting perspective already coz when we first started talking outside, you noticed I wasn’t wearing these.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You asked me to come into my office to do this coz you’d get better audio, I was not kinda like not terribly into that—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Haha—

Dr. Jack Kruse: I was up all night uh—on trauma call. Just finished a big spinal reconstruction so I’ve been inside. I missed the sunlight today. So I wanted the  actual sunlight. I mean—I don’t—I don’t wanna be around any blue light right now because of what I had to do last night. So what happens to me last night uh— the blue light that I was around uh— from the operating room and everything else, took my respiratory proteins and stretched them out. And see, here’s the interesting thing, those fibrous respiratory proteins, Cytochrome 1, 2, 3, 4 and the ATPase which is Cytochrome 5, the further they get stretched out, the less electrons. Meaning, the cart drops precipitously. And just so you know, what is the linkage between that? And this is very important for everybody to understand. Every one 1 Å increase, decreases electron calling between those by a factor of 10.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: So any time you’re in blue light, for example, I’ll give you a perfect one for right now. Since we’re talking on Skype, you’re on a computer monitor, you have no protection on your thyroid gland.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You have no protection on your eye. You are creating adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism as we speak.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And I don’t care how much medicine you take to off-set that. If you do that long enough, it ain’t gonna work. And the functional medicine paradigm says, “NO, if I replace this, I can get you back to normal.” And I’m gonna tell you, epic fail.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ok. So this is good. I’m learning—I’m learning a lot of new things. I typically do the blue light sunglasses at night to—to lower the cortisol and raise the melatonin at night.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Let me tell you why it’s a bad thing. Do you know, there’s a thing in Physics, when they talk about uh—degrees Kelvin and the color temperature. You know what, uh—when the sun rises in the morning, do you know what the Kelvin is? When it rises, it’s 1800 Kelvin. Right now, what you’re looking at, is 5700 to 6500 kelvin. Here’s where it’s good news. You asked me to call you at noon. Noon central standard time where we both are, that’s when solar light is at 5700 Kelvin. You know what it is around 5 o’clock in—in our CST? It’s 18—I’m sorry—16,000 Kelvin. So here’s the point that I’m trying to make to you. That change in Kelvin adapts over the day. Your pituitary gland via hypothalamic pituitary axis, that’s the rosetta frequency that’s turned on. That’s where circadian comes. That’s the reason why your testosterone is supposed to be  highest at 10 am. But if you do, what I had last night or what you’re doing right now, you’re ruining that. You’re also ruining your—your thyroid because what people don’t realize our thyroid’s exposed. Blue lights penetrate all the way in to the fat layer. That is where actually the arterials are.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s actually a problem. So when you’re inside, I always want people covered up coz I don’t want that effect. Now, when you go outside and you have this exposed, that’s a really good thing. Why? Because 42% of sunlight is your—it’s infrared-A. It’s 42%. You know why? It’s what we talked about before. Cytochrome- C oxidase is the red light Chromophore. Meaning that it works in that window. And here’s the biggest issue—what’s the biggest red light Chromophore that we have in our body? Water.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And that’s the reason why cells are 99% water by uh—molecular size and what’s—what surrounds the mitochondria? It’s called the minos layer. It’s spelled as M-I-N-O-S.  What surrounds the ATPase’s so it suspends? Water. Do you know there’s very few things thermodynamically in the world that 100% efficiency? But guess what we found in the last two years?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What?

Dr. Jack Kruse: The ATPase when it’s surrounded by exclusions in water, spends at a 100% efficiency. See? That is the stuff that people need to learn in functional medicine—to understand how to optimize people because if you take someone, say who’s an IT worker, who’s 12 hours in the basement of the hospital. You know, inputting data for the hospital and they have, you know, retinal tears, there are RTE in their eyes, they can— their glasses look like coke bottles. And they have all these uhm—different things like adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, migraine, headaches. You cannot fix that person with anything in your office until they realize that they are suffering from a light deficiency problem. And that’s the key because that’s the levers that turn on this anterior semiconductor circuit that goes from your retina into your pituitary, and from your pituitary, goes right in to your brainstem to turn all these things on.  And what controls them is the frequencies of light that are in there. See? We are beings of light. And people do not realize this. This is what the science of quantum biology has been teaching us over the last hundred years. But the problem is, if you don’t read it, you don’t realize what’s already been published.  And when I talk to people, people are really surprised to find out that this stuff is actually published like 10 years ago, I was crazy __. Now you can go out and buy books about this and read about it and go, “Wow!” Coz I know when I went to Dental School  and I went to Medical School, I never learned about any of it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So what does it all look like from an application standpoint? Because I’m in trenches seeing about 50 or 60 patients a week and I’m trying to create diet and lifestyle application shift habits to make these— to make the person heal or help them send out their body into an anabolic state? So sunlight— walk me through your routine. What does that look like for you? Daily basis.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, let me—let me just say this, uh—if you remember the equation I gave you before about ATP for uh—a day?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And food is only one third. Let me ask you a question, just from third grade Math. Does it make more sense to focus in on one third or the two thirds?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now two thirds, of course. So you’re focusing on—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Two thirds.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The reducing EMF and then getting the sunlight, getting the right exposure.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, that’s where the 2/3 come from.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And that’s the point. The point is it’s kinda like Dave Ramsey, you know, always go for where the— you know the best thing for the buck is.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And I—I get very frustrated, you know. All my members know my position on this. I don’t think food is important as everybody else does. But the one aspect of food that’s critically important is DHA and it has to come from seafood and it has to be, you know, ordered in SN-2 position coz it has to be paired by medic to get into the central nervous system and get into the peripheral nervous system. And that is what actually controls the central retinal pathway that turns the things on and off at the appropriate times that a functional medicine doctor wants and that an allophatic doctor wants, in fact, the patient wants. They don’t know this. They don’t know the level of complexity uh— that’s present there and it’s really important that we begin to teach people that. So for example, the number one thing I tell everybody the—the best healing in the world uh— for anybody, I don’t care what their disease is to make like the sphinx every morning. What does that mean? Go google a picture of the sphinx, much looking in the direction of the sun. And I want all four extremities grounded. Why? Because when you’re grounded, you have a complete wireless connection. It’s no different than your coffee maker at home. Does it work as well when it’s not grounded? The answer is no. The current is decreased. What do you know about current? Basic Physics. Well, the slower the current, the less the magnetic fluxes. What did we talk about before about the ATPase? We want that __. We want it kicking out as much ATP as it can because the more it kicks off, the less that we eat. That’s the real cause of obesity. It’s not what everybody else believes. So you’re a fat slob. Uh— and you eat too much and you don’t exercise, right? I got news for you. I got pretty damn good data that I actually I ate more and exercise less and lose a 150 pounds and you know, 12 years on now and I still have a 130 pounds of that off.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now looking at your diet recommendations and in your epi—Epi-Paleo Rx book.  We’ll put links down below so people can access that book. But you really talked about people overemphasizing macronutrients and you want to bring it back to the micronutrients and you really stress and emphasized the DHA for the electron benefits that you mentioned. But the bottom of your peer__ primarily the shellfish, the oysters, the crustaceans. You also emphasize a lot about organ meats, too. Now, those types of foods are gonna be—are gonna promote a lot of insulin sensitivity. Meaning they’re gonna help with insulin resistance. Is that a possible mechanism that help— help you lose a lot of that weight or you—

Dr. Jack Kruse: No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Put more on the sunlight piece?

Dr. Jack Kruse: What—what people don’t understand in functional medicine, actually in medicine, insulin is a solo hormone. In other words, you can eat carbohydrates at a high level as long you live on the equator. And that’s the reason why the Maasai are able to do what they do and why somebody in Chicago can’t do that. Since Chicago is set at 40—42nd latitude. What’s the power in sunlight?  Are those electrons as power—the photons is powered to do that. At the end of the day, the answer is “No.” And see, the reason why this is really important for people to understand, we are right now in a paradigm that is wanting to blame food and GMO’s and all these. I agree that it’s bad. But it’s not the key source. The key source is the altered light frequencies that we have built into our climate in ways that we don’t even see. Because remember, our camera only allows us to see the center part of the visible spectrum chance. Guess what part we can’t see? UV and IR. That’s what the single, most important for regeneration in our system. Purple and red light which is reason why when you bind it and you see all the pictures—take a look at the picture—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: —on the wall. That’s the brain working at the sun, okay? Look at the colors__This is—this is not just my opinion. These are reminders when I come into a podcast with a guy like you here after what I did last night. I need to go home and get into pool and do the things that I need to do to offset how I killed myself faster last night and have 3 color. Why? Because I know how to recover.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I know the prescription to do it. The prescription to do it is to get as__ as possible and a strong sunlight and get cool into the pool while this is going on. I happen to be fortunate. I live in the 28th latitude. Right now, the temperature up is about 90 degrees. You know, even though it’s__. Uh—it’s a beautiful sunny day. Uh—with my skin type, I will be able to probably recover most of my chronocycle about 2 to 3 hours. Now, is there other way to do it? You may know I built a device with one of my co-inventors called the Quantlet. Well, a quantlet even on it’s best day, can only replace about 10% of the joules or centimeter square that sunlight does. So I always tell people nothing can replace sunlight. But if you happen to be, say a neurosurgeon that does 500 cases a year and you rarely get outside, a quantlet is probably a pretty damn good investment. Or if you’re an investor banker works in New York City, you probably need one of these. Why? Because we can turn your radial artery into another eye to deliver more light energy in that optical window to do what? To make that ATPase speed faster.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. So let’s talk about what your—kind of a day in the life of Dr. Jack Kruse. So forget the fact radio called in for trauma surgery last night. So if you have the ability to wake up, how are you getting all four extremities grounded at the same time? Are you in the water? Are you lying on your back? What does it look like?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. For me, the simple things I do outside. And I have a place where there’s grass out my front door and the sun comes up right there. Most people who are friends with me on Facebook, I’d usually take a picture of the sunrise and send it to people and show up. I never miss—I miss today which is kinda what pissed me off but uhm—and I usually will slap down, put my hands down. Sometimes I’ll sit uh—in the__ with my hands down and I make just like the sphinx.  And I do that for about anywhere between 5-16 minutes. Uh—it’s easier obviously when I’m in different places like at the beach or in Mexico. But that’s been a routine of mine probably for the last 12 years. And the reason that you wanna do that, you are resetting 2 light signals in your body. Both the Vitamin D cycle  and the Vitamin A cycle. And the Vitamin A cycle happens to be the most important cycle in the morning. Why is this important? Because remember, no matter where you are, except on the equator, you don’t make any vitamin D until UVB sunlight kicks in. Well even in the equator, it’s not present at uh—the AM_

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Jack Kruse: The key thing that’s present there are the most powerful light is usually uh— UVA or more infrared. Uh—it takes about an hour on the equator for it to show up. But where most of us then outside of the tropics, uhm— you don’t make that until a lot later. And people are surprised to hear this. The key frequencies in the morning uhm—is from blue light.  And blue light is good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Jack Kruse: When it comes to the sun. Because that’s the switch that actually tells the pituitary gland to make all the hormones—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The cortisol ramped up—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Right. We make all the hormones that we secreted between 6 and 10 o’clock. Here’s the interesting part of this that people don’t realize. Do you know what your off switch is for the pituitary gland?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Melatonin.

Dr. Jack Kruse: UVA and UVB light.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: When the sunlight hits your skin, what happens? You release nitric oxide, the arterials come to the surface.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. Of course. Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Guess what it does? It turns off all your sex target hormones. I want you to think about something. The first light you see everyday is your computer or your cellphone. And I already told you that’s 5700 Kelvin. Are you gonna be able to turn on the signal since it never sees 1800 and gradually goes up to 5700? The answer is, “No.” You just told your brain that it’s the middle of the day. You slept all day until it’s noon. You just created a mismatch and you don’t even realize you’re creating this mismatch. And that’s the reason why when people do this 2-3 weeks at time, when functional docs or allophatic docs were—say you’re—all their melatonin, cortisol and your sex target hormones, they’re always flat. And you know, people always talk about like an adrenal fatigue, everybody’s completely crushing low. But what you guys tell people and what I tell people, the reasons why are radically different. And it completely is tied to light cyles and it can only be fixed until you understand the light cycles and how this anterior visual pathway works in the eye. Because the two major reason why we get light in are through the eye, and through the skin. The mechanism are different and the proteins that we used to do it are radically different but the ones we started off talking about this morning, you know, with the sunlight rises is the Vitamin A cycle. Why? Coz anytime blue light comes through the eye, it has low color temperature, it separates retinal from the photo receptor and that separation has to then be recycled. The other thing that happens that turns over DHA in two loops in the retina. One is called the short loop, and one is called the long loop. If the vitamin A cycle is right, short loop completely recycles DHA. That means you don’t need eat a ton of seafood. That’s the reason why people on the equator don’t have a big need for the fish. And if you look at the fish, they’re endogenous on the planet, they’re low DHA sources.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you’re saying that people —So if you’re saying that people were on the equator, living on the equator but they were still eating refined, kinda junk food diet, you’re saying that they—they would be sidestep obesity if the  EMF—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Correct.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And the UV light is dialed in?

Dr. Jack Kruse: If they have strong light cycles. That’s the reason why we have endo—indigenous peoples who live inside the tropics. Like the perfect one for you to learn about is Maasai.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And also the Hadza. They are able to eat very high carbohydrate diets and the reason why is they live in a strong UV and IR environment. The problem is, all your patients, my patients—no, they never get there. And that’s the reason why we have the false precept that carbohydrates__ they’re not bad. The environment that we are in makes them appear bad. And that perception—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So how are you—go ahead.

Dr. Jack Kruse: is important.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm. So how are you applying this with your patients? Are you seeing these functional medicine patient one-on-one? What kind of clinical results are you getting?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Very good. I mean that’s part of the reason why I came down to the gulf south because you know, down here we’re 50th and 60th uh—in just about everything. And everybody is a train wreck but the cool part is all the—the uh—how shall we say it—the recipe for recovery is built into this environment. Promise you gotta get them clicked in. And I’ll give you a perfect example. Where I am in the gulf south, uh— a hundred years ago, when it was really hot, people would be outside on their porch and—and having cake and doing all these things, what happened over the last 100 years? Now when it gets hot, people come inside, out of the sun and into air conditioner. Well, that means the best time for you to be outside, they’ve been brought inside. What does technology do? Same thing. It has brought us out from outside to inside. So let’s talk about the flipside. What do people on the South do when it’s December? Like when if it’s below 50°, people  here look like they’re dressed for the__ when in reality, what should they be doing? This is the perfect weather. If you ask somebody which is from Chicago, 50° in December, they would be like 2 thumbs up. They’d be like, “I’m all in.” And people don’t realize that your eyes and your skin pay attention to that. And Tristan talk about this, me and you, you have the shirt on, I have the shirt on. We have clothes on—that’s—that’s society’s belief that have been put on us. But let me ask you a question. When you crawled out of the vagina, did you have any clothes on? Stop for a minute and I want you think about Discovery Channel. Do you any animal that comes out of it’s mom’s vagina that has clothes on?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Of course not.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Okay, so let’s think about this. When me and you get together at some point, we plant a tree. You put all the nutrients in the water ground but I put tarp over it. Will that tree live or die?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely won’t live.

Dr. Jack Kruse: So guess what? The first specie ever created was 700,000 years ago didn’t start to wear clothes. Got it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so sunlight is incredibly important. You—you made that clear. I think you made some good points on that. And—and what does that look like for you, though, from an exposure time? How do you prevent getting burned and getting all this collagen deterioration from being__all night?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, I’m not worried about that. That’s a bunch of horse shit, okay?

The bottom line is I’m looking to see for myself on this but I just tell you there’s an app called D-minder that Dr. Robert from Boston University as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You can get it down there. What it does? It download your GPS coordinates, where you are, and it tells you precisely how much sunlight you’re getting and how much vitamin D you make. So the easiest way for a novice to learn about their light environment is you know, to download this app and begin to play with it and see how much Vitamin D you can make at your specific location, your altitude. Because what people don’t realize the three variables for Vitamin D function are latitude, altitude and population. That’s—population density is the one that most people don’t understand. The more you live around the other idiots, the more you get dehydrated coz they’re all using non- negative devices. And the reason why this is an important thing and why you see me here drinking my green valley mountain water is the isomerization step of vitamin D3 that occurs in your skin, requires you not to be dehydrated; otherwise, your cholesterol will be really high and your vitamin D3 conversion will be low. And that pretty much describes just about everything with diabetes and metabolic syndrome. In fact, I think the epidemic uh—in most patients with lipids is tied to this factor and anybody who then says well giving them the statin makes any sense. What does a statin do? It actually increases the respiratory protein distance and we already talked about what that’s a bad idea. What is the link between Cytochrome 3 and Cytochrome 1? For your listeners who don’t know. It’s called Coenzyme Q10.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Coenzyme Q10 ferries electrons between those cycles. So if you’re stretching them out, are you making Cytochrome C more happy to make more ATP or less happy? It—and see, this is what I’m saying, when you understand how the system is wo—how the system is built, you begin to start to go, “Yeah, why are we doing some of these?” This doesn’t make any sense but the key factor, the reason why it continued—we continue to miss health and functional medicine, allophatic medicine, is because we’re focused on food and not on light. And that’s the key problem because that 2/3, 1/3 thing. And allow me to make one of the point, Justin, while we’re here. This is very important.  For those people who don’t get science, let’s give you another analogy to understand it from say, a car. If you and I went out and spent $250,000 and you bought a Ferrari, pulled all the money together, does it make more sense to focus on the fuel? Like should we put 87 in, 90 or 93 octane? Or does it make more sense to make sure that me and you spend our money, tune in the engine up so that we go 200-220 miles an hour all the time? See that’s the difference between functional medicine and the mitochondria. And I’m with the mitochondria. 30:08 And I’m the mitochondria. You guys focusing on food.  I don’t even wanna talk about food. The only time I wanna talk about food is when we talk about electrons and protons because the input in mitochondria is electron chain transport. It’s not called protein transport. It’s not called carbohydrate transport. It’s not called fat transport. And until you come to my level, I refuse to go to anyone else’s level because nature has built this into us. It’s there. We know about it but we ignore it. Why? Because the science is too hard for some people. Well, I’m sorry. It’s our job to understand how these things fit together. Until we give people the truth, not the half-truth, we’re gonna continue to struggle. And I look at it like this. All—everybody is a practitioner. We’re all in these together; we all wanna do the right thing, but we all gotta start focusing now. You go to your next functional medicine uh—talk, I hope you get on the microphone and you say, “Hey, let’s think about this. How can this one there, you know, be a provocateur?” Uhm— because they’re not. Until people start talking about these things, we’re not gonna change anything,  Justin. And to be honest with you, that’s why I do podcast. That’s the reason why I go out and talk to people. Because I want them to understand: A. Am I Crazy? Or maybe do I have some interesting perspectives that people haven’t thought about? And then B. I wanna direct you to things that are published and books that are written that surely did— maybe this is something that we have missed. Maybe we’ve been stepping on the stone at the 6th level instead of going to the 1st level. Maybe that’s the reason why people still wanna give Rhodiola for adrenal fatigue because that’s not gonna work until you fix your environment. And I always told functional guys, Rhodiola works because they have excited electrons from the damn cell. That’s the only reason it works.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we create a checklist here so the patient’s, people listening have that checklist to optimize their light exposure. What does that look like? So we get up, we see the sun rise, we get all four extremities with the view of the sphinx as you said, right? We dial that in, we get— what’s the exposure amount look like? And we just try to get in the morning? What does the rest of they look like? Can you go to your daily routine?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, I would go to my daily routine but remember, my routine is based on my N=1 and that is why __. And as practitioner, you have to start to realize that what you gonna recommend to one person is not the other person. What—what are the variants? A.  What diseases they have? How bad is their mitochondria? What’s their heteroplasmy rate? What’s their appetite look like?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: What’s their job? Uh—what are you—what’s the goals? There’s a lot of different variables but for me, I’d give you a perfect example. I know as my day job as a neurosurgeon is my single biggest risk. So for example, days that I am in surgery, I spend more time in the sun than I would in days that I’m in clinic.  Anytime that I have a chance when I’m clinic to go outside, I tend to go outside as much as I can. So lot of people would call that coffee or smoke break, I call it the sun break. Even if you get 5 or 10 minutes at that time, it’s a help. Anytime you’re out in nature, it’s a help. So the answer is try to do it. Uhm—anytime that you can be connected, for example—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Are you worried about getting burned, too, though? Like—

Dr. Jack Kruse: No. Not me. And you can see that I’m Irish and I have freckles. Uhm—

10-12 years ago, I would be out on the sun at night, get burned pretty quick uh—but I built up a solar callus. Why did I built up a solar callus? Let me explain something to you uh—and you’re probably interested in this. The two diseases that you know very. One is psoriasis and one is type B diabetes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know it’s common to both diseases? The skin gets thicker.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And you know why the skin gets thicker? Because the skin is looking for more sunlight. People who are diabetic usually are designed to be in a strong UV environment. That’s the reason why. They eat carbohydrates. Carbohydrates will actually thicken your skin. Turns out in psoriasis, a lack of UV light thickens the basal level. That’s the reason why Dermatology use 312 megameter light to shrink that well and plaques go away. That’s what the plaque is, it’s thickened at high internal rates almost like a pre-cancer state. If you look into the science of psoriasis, you should see everybody who has psoriasis, they’ll tell you it’s pre-malignant state. You—you’ve risk factors for all the cancers. Why is that? Coz you’re not near the regenerative uhm—light sources which is UV and IR light. So what’s the answer? You just have to go outside. Coz guess what? The shit outside is free.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How long does it take you to build that tolerance so that you can get that to work out?

Dr. Jack Kruse: It took me—It took me about 2 to 3 years. But did I know what I was doing when I started? No. Because all the variables that I just told you, I didn’t really realize how important they are. Now I do. Now, you know, I have a__, my uh—heteroplasmy rate I got it pretty dialed in coz I did a biohack for about 12 years. On average, I would say in the winter time I need about 1½ to 2 hours; In the summer time, I usually go 3-5 hours per day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: In the sun? And you’re doing no sunscreen at all?

Dr. Jack Kruse: There’s no freakin’ chance that I would ever wear that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you’re not at all either?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well if I get burned, if I get red, I have no problem. The next day, I come out and I look like uh—the way sun is designed to work. This is probably a good thing for people to hear. You’re designed to absorb all the UV frequencies in your melanin. So my freckles hold the UV light. That’s where all the excited electrons are. At night time is when you off load this into your system. So you noticed if you hang out with me for 3-4 hours, say now and the__, the next morning when you saw me, I wouldn’t be as pink. And why? Because I’ve off-loaded those things into my cellular structure. See the problem is you have to think about yourselves kinda like plant. When it’s really thirsty for water, that is gonna be delivered to places where you need it the most. So think about for your skin. Most people have their arms exposed, they don’t have their belly or their legs or other thins exposed. So those parts of your body are starved—absolutely starved for light. So if you’re smart, you start looking at, “Okay, what do I always have covered all the time? Those are the parts that I nee to uncover and get out there.” And what you do is slowly build up your solar callus. You do this through what I call, mitoact. You start to figure out empirically how your system is optimized. There’s no different than looking at the dashboard of your car, figure out, “Okay, look. My temperature’s too high. I need more gas. I need to use that.” The thing is we’re not teaching the people in allophatic medicine or in functional medicine. And if you go to one of my blogs called the redox rx wall. I give you 30 different labs that link directly to redox and  I told you how those things are linked to redox. So you read this and you start looking at your labs and you start, “Okay, I’m gonna start doing this. Let me see how these things go up and down. And when people really see how it really goes and when they start to become—what I’ve been calling—more connected with nature, in other words, you reconnect with nature. You—your wireless relationship to the sun and your complete connection  to the earth through your feet or through leather su—sole—shoes. This is something you can’t miss. And if you don’t fix this, I don’t care what your idea in a clinic, it ain’t gonna work.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. So with the glasses—you’re wearing those glasses all day long. Is that correct? Not just the night?

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m wearing these glasses anytime I’m inside.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Inside.

Dr. Jack Kruse: In this light day. You’re making me look—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha—

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know that I didn’t have these on when we first started talking.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. You’re in the car and the sunroof opening you. You can get exposure. Totally.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Exactly. And that’s the point. And the thing is, one of the things in functional medicine that I think I can take a lead on because it’s not talked about enough is that we need to wear protection from blue light during the day when we’re inside.  We really do because people don’t understand that circadian variation occurs. That’s why I wanted you to understand. There’s 1800 Kelvin all the way to 16,000 Kelvin. Computer screens are optimized. Most computer screens between 5700 and 6500 globally by technology companies. So the safe—you’re working all day. And say for 10 hours-12 hours seeing patient, that means you’re getting a complete solar signal for noon the whole day. What do you think that does with your central retinal pathway? What do you think that does to your HP axis? What do you think that does to your brain cell? And then—then you wonder why people are coming in to you are zombies and they’re trash. The problem is selling the pills and herbs aren’t gonna fix that problem. That’s like—I had a saying that—that I get in trouble with with someone. It’s like pissin’ in the wind.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Haha— Yeah. I totally understand what you’re saying. Just so I understand your routine, 1-2 hours in the winter, your 3 to 5 hours in the summer.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Correct. Like today, I can tell you. When I get done with you, it’s gonna be a lot because we don’t get—just because of what happened to me yesterday, I will increase it and I’m gonna use something called the__. How am I gonna get more sunlight because it’s already 1 o’clock. I’m gonna get in the pool and stay in the pool and keep it. Top half in the sun, then I’m gonna reverse it. I’m gonna put my head in the water, a lot of my top body out. The reason why is I’m creating a bigger circuit so I can move current more from my body. And I’ll do that this afternoon to offset what I did last night. Because last night I killed myself faster and that’s why I told people that are talking to me, “Health is the slowest form of death we create.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. So you’re not worried about any collagen degradation or any skin cancer at all with the sun exposure? You feel like you’re doing it in a way you’re not burning per se, you’re and where you’re building up that solar uh—what’s that? What’s the word?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Solar callus.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Sollar callus. The melanin exposure. Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, it’s just—it’s normally that. It’s also your skin thickness becomes optimized. The thing—the thing that becomes interesting it means to you, you realize what your optimal amount of sunlight is per day. And it’s pretty easy to figure out within 4-6 weeks. The real problem that most people are gonna find if they live in the 42nd or the 50th latitude, they’re gonna realize that is a problem. Like for example, that’s the reason why people have that vast number of big problem and the reason why is they live in the wrong latitude. Because their mitochondria is not optimized for those—for that latitude. And it’s magic when they go south. Well, here’s the problem. Telling people about—MS, like you know, there’s a functional allophatic medicine doctors pretty famous in Iowa State, you know, Terry Wahls

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: She tells everybody to__ And I just scoff at it. And if she was so right, you know, she’s got her MS better coz she’s doing well. Is she reversed,yeah? No. She’s not. And you know why? You know where Iowa is? The 42nd latitude.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You wanna get better? Guess what? Go down in__. You wanna do better? Go down to Ecuador.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now how much would that has to do with Vitamin D as well? Because we know there’s a big correlation with vitamin D. So if you are at the higher latitude, what can you do? Can you supplement Vitamin D? What kind of light could you put in your house?

Dr. Jack Kruse: No. The question about supplementing sunlight, I have a blog it’s called Time 11. It’s—the title of it says 10 Supplement Sunlight. The answer is no because when you give somebody a supplement, what did you just do? You learned it in—in school that we are a series of negative an positive feedback control so when you design to mix something in the body and you take an exogenous source, you completely uncouple that system. You actually make it worse.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But if someone is that environment, what can they do?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Change. Change the way they think about it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Are you saying move change? Or—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well move or go up to a higher altitude, like for example, I have a member who I’ll share one of things he did. He lived in uh—Seattle. And he knew that he had these big problems becomes huge__he’s got all__. What did he find? He found that if he went to end Oregon because it’s out uh—5000 feet elevation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: People don’t realize when you go about 5000 feet, you can actually raise your vitamin D levels even if you’re at a higher latitude. That’s the reason why the Swiss uh—do so well in Swiss Alps. Yet people in Finland in Helsinki are—have record rates of autoimmunity, diabetes and obesity. And that’s the reason why. Now, the other reason effect, they have big effect  for the United States, is population. So if you happen to live in a very popular state, I don’t care if you’re naked outside on Rodeo Drive in Los Angeles outside, Jack R. Stan speak in San Diego and Los Angeles. You’re not gonna raise your Vitamin D. I talk to functional docs all the time like try to know what I can understand. These people live in San Diego, they live in Los Angeles and I check their Vitamin D and they’re at 31. I put them on 20,000 a day with you know, 5 milligrams of K2. They come back and they’re at 38. He goes—they just don’t understand why. That’s what __ out a little dehydrated. And the reason why? I __ being in crap relations. Just do a regular chem 7 and—and—and variably you’ll see they’re over 15:1. And I explain to people the reason why? The isomerization step is—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse: It needs water to make Vitamin D. And people don’t understand this. So when I hear people default straight to the vitamin D thing, it’s either they  have to make the Mercedes aim it, or they’re trying to get people on a program. That’s not the answer. And the thing is we’re gonna make those people worse if we just throw Vitamin D down the__ Now, we need a flip side. Since I’m a surgeon, I’m trying to deal with these issues on a much more acute basis and If I can raise somebody’s redox potential by utilizing these things during that timeframe, those are the times that I’ll use it. But what do I always make sure to tell the person? We’re gonna do this in the __period but then you’re gonna change.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So what kind of case studies do you have? You have patients that you’ve seen that you’re doing—making these clinical changes with? Adding these different protocols and what kind of clinical outcomes are you seeing? And also, what if people are doing these things they’re not getting better? What do you look for next?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well that’s when you—that’s when you have to become a biohacker of the environment. In other words, there’s something in the environment that your—that you don’t see. See, here’s the big—the big risk for most people. Non-native EMF, see your mitochondria is essential that’s connected to all the way forms in your environment. Non-native EMF, you can’t see, sense, taste or touch, but your mitochondria does because of that oscillation I told you earlier. So the key is that’s when you have to start buy gear. For example, you know that none of us can see–uh—uh—uh—X radiation. And none of us can see uhm—uhm—radiation decay. But if you had a guided__ you can see it. Well there’s this thing called the trimeter. There’s a thing gauss meter. That’s why guys like my—the friend I told you about from Seattle. I teach him how to __and biohack our environment. When they do that, then they find their problem pretty damn fast. And they’re like, “Whoa!” I mean I had people literally did not even realize that we’re—there uhm—their power source coming into our house is right where they sleep. I said, “Okay, well if you’re not gonna change it, what you need to do is have the electrician out put a kill switch to kill.” If you got some time, I got a great story of one of my members in New York City. This—this will blow your mind.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I wanna hear it. I’m gonna grab my Tri-field meter real quick, hold on. So this is the one you’re referring to, right? The Tri-field meter?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how are you using this? How are you applying it to look at EMF sources?

Dr. Jack Kruse: The one other big one is probably the most important one especially for the coming 5G explosion is gonna be a Cornet 88F. RF—RF radiation is horrible.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Almost anything that uses uh—pulse electro magnetic frequency, PMF, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse: It’s talked about all the time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m not a big fan of anything that uses PDMF.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You don’t like it, huh?

Dr. Jack Kruse: No. It has to be understood. I like it but it has to be understood. And most people who are prescribing me things don’t really understand truly what they’re doing to people who have these problems. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: The easiest way to—to really understand your environment is when you see these bad signals, you do something about it. So one of my members who happens to be a laser physicist, him and his wife, they own a company that sells fiber optics in the city of New York, okay? 3 out of 5__ they have the contract for that. Verizon has the other two. So I have a thing on my website called the EMF boot camp. We’re teaching you basics of how to hack your environment, you know, with these devices and I hired an electrical engineer for everybody to learn. So he bought a house in Brooklyn and he tested it and it tested pretty well for this area, so he bought it. And he lived there for 2 or 3 years and he noticed about 2—I think it’s 2 ½ years he told me—that 6 out of 8 of his neighbors came down with cancer. And he was like, “This is crazy. I wonder why this happened?” So he’s got two sons and you know I told you that him and his wife are both laser physicist. They do a lot in fiber optics. The kids started playing around with his gauss meter. And his gauss meter, imagine this is magnetic field—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: The kids came in and told this person that uh—“Dad, you need to look at this.” And it was red light. It was over 2,000gauss

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Jack Kruse: So him and his brother put painter’s tape. You know that blue tape everywhere in the living room. The center of the living room is where the biggest field is coming. They trace it up into the wall, up into the ceiling, and they knocked the holding ceiling to look and it turns out the gas line and the water line were there. They follow it all the way right the street. Now I told you this guy has got a really big company. So he’s got a construction on. He follows it out with a plumbing system all the way to a tree. And the tree, right outside, like the big maple tree you have in New York City. And what did he find? The roots of the tree grew into the___lines. And the reason he always saw the magnetic field is the electric field is dissipated by the ground. So he had just an isolated magnetic field and he knew exactly what the cause was. And he went to all the different places on the block and found that the gauss meter was off the charts in those places as well.

So here’s the point, he tested it. If you can’t assume that how it is today, it’s gonna be how it is next week especially when you have those idiots outside your window putting the new fire G cables in or putting direct TV on your neighbor’s house. Putting the smart meter in your neighborhood—and that’s the mistake that most people make. It’s the biggest mistake that I think allophatic doctors and functional medicine doctors don’t realize. They don’t realize the number one question that you should ask as soon as somebody comes in, “Tell me about your environment.” And when they tell me, I wanna know how they know. Do they have these devices? They understand how to use them? And do they need to be doing it? I—I told people it’s kinda like carbon monoxide sensory house. You should go around with these devices once a month in your environment and never assume anything.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So what does that look like? We get one of these meters maybe a try feel. What are the key meters everyone should have at home to test these things?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well i—instead of wasting our time talking about that. I will tell you, this guy that I told you, in Seattle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: His name is__. He wrote a guest log about his experience.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: In the side stair, I list all the meters that everybody should consider. It has amazon links to all of them. And you can learn about them and pull them up. So I don’t want people going out and spending money on things that really is a waste. I want them to start the simple thing. So for example, a tri-meter is relatively cheap.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And the Cornet meter, the RF meter’s also pretty cheap. I think those are the two.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: That people will start with. But then I think you need depending on your environment, for example, if you live in city, you absolutely need a __50:22. You absolutely have to have it. Uh—if you live in the downtown area, there’s no question, you need to have it. But then, there’s other effects and the effects uhmm—in fact I just wrote about this. I wrote at ALS blog because the upcoming NFL draft.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I did it uh—because there’s a couple of players in this draft that have significant soft tissue injuries. One of them is named uhm—Marshon Lattimore, from Ohio State, best quarterback in the draft. He’s missed two uh—seasons at Ohio State. But he’s back in at 42nd latitude in Columbus.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh. Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And see, everybody he has surgery to fix it, the kid’s a phenomenal player but if I was the Chicago Bears, if I was leaning at Patriots, I wouldn’t draft this guy. Now if I was a Jacksonville Jaguars or say the San Diego Chargers, he’d be much harm on my list. Why? Because I understand that he needs to be on a much higher light environment. Best place for him is probably Miami. Now, does anybody in the NFL understand—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: — this garbage. No. And why did these players develop neurodegeneration when they’re 40, 50, and 60 years old? That’s what the link is what I just told you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you’re saying more melanin in the skin is gonna decrease theUV absorption essentially?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Right. Where did blacks can come from? From the equator.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: My friend__

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Natural sunblock.

Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s the reason why when you said to me earlier. The shade is one way to do it. But how to make you do it? It make dark skin first. Why?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Coz that’s where we evolve. We evolve in East Africa West, okay? White guys like me and you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: We came much later when we went to higher latitudes. And that’s where SNP’s came from, that’s where heteroplasmy rate change. Remember there’s an equatorial DNA but there’s all these other DNA’s for our mitochondria that are altered based on where we live. What is the key drive?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what test are you running for the uhm—for the SNP’s? Is that the 23andMe and what are you testing?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well the 23andMe is one thing you do but just now there’s now SNP testing that you can order for Genova.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And some of the other functional places to figure it out. But the key thing that I wanna know is I wanna assess somebody’s redox potential almost as soon as they come in. Why is it their redox potential? What am I saying—I’m saying that amount of net negative charge in the body. So how could somebody simply do that? You have a body voltage meter. You could tell that way. I think there’s an easier way.  How can I look at that labs. That’s why I told you earlier when we talk, read my redox rx. There’s 30 different labs there that tell you how we all link into it. Are some of them simple, Justin? Yeah. You know what, one of the simplest ones are? Next time you talk to somebody look at their teeth. Look at the color of their teeth. If their teeth are naturally white, that’s a pretty good sign that redox potential is good. If their teeth are yellow, guess what? Their redox potential is not as good as what they think. And the reason why? Dentin and one is uh—both of them are floor for proteins. They __when their body, when the cells are emitting specific frequencies of light. They’re on the blog on that, too. Remember what you asked me, “Jack, you used to be a neurosurgeon” See? This stuff, every place you look, you can find an answer but the problem is—and I would say this, Justin, and I say this, it’s really important. Humans are really good at seeing but they suck at observation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And—and let me tell you something. What makes you a really good doctor, what makes you a really good scientist is the people that observe nature very carefully and don’t put their precepts, their beliefs, their dogma on the observations they see. And one of the biggest problems I think that I see in modern science is that we have allowed dogma, beliefs and paradigms to affect the way the study is done. For example, you know how there’s this big thing right now in nutrition where there is a fight between the low carb and the high fat  people and all those nonsense. You know where all our ideas came from? From metabolic studies that were done 1940’s and 50’s that we can read about in many books. Let me ask you a question, Justin. Where are metabolic studies done?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well they’re don in the hospital, inside. There’s obviously gonna be—

Dr. Jack Kruse: On the blue light?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: On the blue light, okay? Now you open up Albus__ or Western A Price’s book. You know, Western uh—diseases of civilization.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s all in the environment.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And just for disease, see these guys that look like the Donna__ 70 years old.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know what the difference is my friend?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s outside—

Dr. Jack Kruse: They’re in the natural environment. And we __ and we think that’s the same. And it—it’s that simple. Remember, when we talk about earlier about the tree. I said to you, “Would the tree grow with the top covered?” And you got it immediately.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Hopefully the people listening just got it. Well, what am I saying to you? The beliefs that we have in nutrition, I don’t believe anything that’s published in nutrition today. Why? Coz it’s never been studied the right way.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So how are you applying it? How are you eating? So walk me through that. I know you mention as a matter as much. So give me the run down, right  now. It’s gonna be—

Dr. Jack Kruse: First, simple—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Spring, summer—more carbs now?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. Yeah. And it’s very simple.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What  is breakfast like?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Eat what grows in your environment. Eat what grows in your environment. Let me explain this to you coz this is so important.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: What is the entire food that this planet is built on, my friend? It’s called


Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Okay. The entire food web. That means when you talk about food, you need to understand light. So can you eat a pineapple uh—in_ Gourmet right now? The answer is, “Yeah, you can.” You go to whole foods and get it. But what is interesting about that? The answer is, “No.” You can’t do that coz it never grows. Therefore, when you’re a stupid, idiot that feeds the pineapple at the 4th latitude, even in May, you’ve created a mismatch. You’ve created a gut problem. You’ve created a mitochondrial problem.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And you don’t think it’s a big deal. Why? Coz you don’t understand how photosynthesis links to those electrons. So you’re at the ground state and this state and what is your body designed to do? Capture that. Well, if you do that, your respiratory proteins are stretched out, you can’t capture that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So what does that look like for you? So you’re saying lower carb, higher fat?

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m not saying that at all.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m saying your environment dictates what you eat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s go for some of the examples. Go ahead, yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: For example, I’m not—uh—say in December, gonna eat kumquats. I’m not gonna eat pineapple.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m not gonna eat coconut. I happen to live at a latitude where those things are—are present. 28th latitude is the most that you can get. Uhm—so what I usually do in the winter time, I’m just like the—I’m going to be uh—ketotic and I’m gonna drink more water and gonna be more connected to cold and the light environment around me. So I’m gonna be pretty naked a—a lot of the year.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nice.

Dr. Jack Kruse: With my shoes off in the backyard when it’s like 30° and 50° here. Now what happens in the summer time? In the summer time, all—my carbs increase all the way up to June 21st. Why? That’s the summer equivalence.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: When do they start to decline? From that time—the time that I eat no carbs, the only time I eat no carbs is for about two weeks before and after December 21st.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. So right now, you’re  on higher carb cycling?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Correct.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Good. Higher carb right now and then fat—is that pretty high as well?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Uh—I wouldn’t say pretty high coz you know you don’t need a ton of fat in the summer time when you live in 28th latitude. Remember what I told you before about the Maasai? Got it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: It—it’s—it’s that why I said, the paradigm that you believe in and I’m glad that when your non verbal communication talking to me is very interesting coz when I say something, I know that you’re like, “Man, I don’t know If I’m buying that.” That’s—that’s the belief system that he got.  He have to realize that when you understand what I’m saying, this seasonal approach, it is linked to photosynthesis. And every place on this planet, it is tied to that. Just—you have to change that system doesn’t mean we can do it. You know, it is like we can do it but should we do it? That’s the asked question we ask people. And that’s not the question that most people do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So how do you tie in cold? How you cut tie in the cold thermogenesis with the sun and with the—with the UV? Like how do you package this all together?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. I’ll try to make it as simple for you as possible. The easiest way is to understand what this cold do. It condenses the respiratory proteins so that means it bring it  closer together. Anytime they come closer together it makes electron toning easier. So eve in if you have fewer electrons, or fewer higher power electrons, the fact that they are closer, they are more energy-efficient. So can you be more energy-efficient doing it? Yes and it turns out when you’re energy-efficient closer together, that means you release more free heat. When you release more free heat from mitochondria, what does that do to the water around it? It heats it up. What happens to water when it’s heated? It shrinks. That’s how the respiratory proteins come together. You don’t put water and stick them in your fridge. Right now, what will happen in two hours?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: It flows because water is different than just about any other liquid in this planet. Thermodynamically, it expands when it cools and it shrinks when it’s heated. But we don’t realize the best huge reason why the mitochondria recede. Then I want you to look at something else, Justin. I want you to think about this. What is the basic plan for uhm—for photosynthesis? CO2 + water and sunlight makes sugar.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know what the mitochondria does? It reverses that equation. It takes glucose, makes CO2 and makes water.  How do you like that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Both of them are endosymbiotic bacteria that we have figured out. IN other words, this is the yin and this is the yang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: So a mitochondria can only work and this is working right. So let’s go back to your original question. You want to jump straight to every functional doctors and I said, “I’m not letting you do it.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha—

Dr. Jack Kruse: It’s the biggest mistake you all make—everytime. And you need to understand why my perspective is what it is and when you do, you start go get all, “Hmm.” So for example, I’ll give you another good one. I don’t know where you’re located but just—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m in Austin, Texas. Somewhere in the nice, lower latitude.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. You’re close to me as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Are you in Nashville or New Orleans?

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m in New Orleans.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: New Orleans. Okay. New Orleans. So uh—the issue—the issue is if you live in Austin, say you’re a computer programmer and you’re inside in the blue light all day. So you’re giving yourself a chronic summer time signal, okay. And say you eat carbohydrates 24/7. What do you think the result will be? You’re gonna get just about every disease  on the planet. What the problem is that we believe the food is what caused it. What we don’t realize is that the blue light is what really cause all the changes and it stretched out the respiratory proteins because of the mitochondrial work. So when you give somebody prescription who does that—ketosis. It helps things. And what does ketosis do? It t__things down a little bit not enough. And those people staying in ketosis diet kinda ketosis is a bad thing to be in because you never get autophagy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: In other words you never get to recycle your new mitochondria. The key thing with our bodies—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How about if you eat and fast, though. If you combine some minimum fasting in there, couldn’t you increase the autophagy?

Dr. Jack Kruse: __the key things to do. But what happens like when you follow my leptin reset.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: What you will find is people who have to eat like six times a day, wind up finding out that in 6 weeks, they can eat 3x a day and then eventually when they do long enough, you’re only gonna eat once a day. I only need once a day. That’s it. And it’s usually at the 4-6 window, okay? Now in the beginning, when I started all these, I didn’t have to do it. I had to do it differently. Why?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Because my Ferrari was a Nissan Central blowing black smoke.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Jack Kruse: See how the pieces fit together?  They’re all dynamic and you know, I think in both our paradigm, see how we’re trained is we don’t realize that it’s that dynamic. You know, we think it’s more static and I think it makes more sense to our brain to think about that way coz it’s easier to understand but I don’t buy that. And I don’t buy that now because I become a mitochondria. I become that person that is understanding nature through that organelle and that organelle was the key to making understanding food differently because  I began to look at food in terms of chlorophyll A and chlorophyll B. In terms of an exciton, what an exciton is, how it’s made, how seed get its basic energy. Food is basically light energy. It’s no different in that the key to deciphering I think to understand, we need the resetic code. And that resetic code is built into the latitude, altitude and population that is where we are. That—that is actually how the food chain is optimized for this planet. That’s the reason why people around the equator can eat a much higher carbohydrate diet and not get any problems with it. It’s also the reason why the Inuit diet primed in1950 is highly ketotic because they were never around, UVA or UVB light except for 3-4 months out of a year.  So most people don’t realize that vitamin D foods, there’s only two. It’s uh—its’ seafood and mushrooms. Well guess what? That’s a big staple that made in the Inuit diet. But to get the vitamin D you need, you gotta eat the eyeballs and you gotta eat the skin of the fish. Well the Inuit do that. That’s the reason why they’re the indigenous people that did well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So when you’re eating at 4 pm at 4 PM to 6 PM window, are you still getting adequate calories during that two-hour time period? And I know it’s not what you’re eating—

Dr. Jack Kruse: I’m trying to think what I eat for dinner last night. Uhm—Oh, I know what I had. I had a—I had beets that were baked and I took the uh—you know the greens off the least—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And—and cook them in uh—butter. Put some—some uh—spices like I think I put basil, oregano, salt and pepper and turmeric. And I had sausages, pork sausages. Uhm—and pork is much bigger part of my diet time of year because you need the cysteine content because of sunlight. And if you wanna know why I’m not gonna give in to it, I got a blog called energyandepigenetics12, cysteine is the rarest amino acid. It’s the one that glutathione is made out of.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Huge. Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse. So you have to know that when you live in a strong solar environment, you wanna have a little bit more sulfur in your diet. And—and it turns out that sulfur—sulfate cholesterol, sulfate in vitamin D3 is the key to high solar environment and turns the skin thickness, you know, it goes back to the solar callus that you and I talked about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know in the past, all these stuff is yoke together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I think people do vitamin or do some UV exposure and made it kinda like chronic uhm—hemochromatosis. The elevated iron levels, very high ferratin 3-400 levels and they’ve seen their ferritin levels drop. Do you see that as well clinically?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. I mean you can see a variety of different things but here’s the funny thing. If you really, really pay attention—This to me is one of the most interesting things that happened in the last 2-3 years. Well hospitals are now starting to look at zip codes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Jack Kruse: In terms of diagnosis codes, so we in medicine are now seeing some very interesting trends. There were certain diseases tend to show up more in certain zip codes and no one in epidemia kinda knows why and I think I kinda figure it out that it has to do with the local environment. The non-native EMF in different environments is highly variable. So say when you’re using first and I just said before, you may find one person have from one part of town have a very variable response compared to somebody else. And you’re gonna say, “Oh, wait a minute, I’m at uh—28 latitude, it shouldn’t be like this.” Well I’ll give you, for example, I happen to have a friend who lives in Austin, who lives around that _ place and he just recently moved somewhere else. His results have been—radically different. In the nude part of Austin__ I told him I give him a couple of ideas to what to check out. He winded buying uh—an acoustimeter and he wound up buying uh—buying a flicker uh—uh monitor and he found out that the lights in his new neighborhood at night time had a much higher flicker effect and that was the cause of his problems. Actually  the simple thing is when we go out at night, make sure most of your skin is covered and make sure your eyes are protected. And flicker is really hard to protect yourself from. I told them because you move from the low flick environment to a high flick environment, and he found out that Austin had just changed the lights and the street in his neighborhood like three months before he was there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Interesting. And what do you think about UV and thyroid? Is there any specific dose of UV—good. So let’s hear it.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well hypothyroid—hypothyroidism is uh—is absolutely deficiency.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How does it affect reverse T3, though, and our T3 and the deactivation of the thyroid?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Reverse T3 is leptin resistant. Remember what I told you about the semi conductive circuit. The retina, SCN and leptin receptor. It’s gotta work properly. You turn the sun, once the leptin receptor is properly turned on, you don’t make any reverse T3. Everything goes T3. Because what is T3? It’s thermogenic and makes—and releases heat from the mitochondria than shrinks water.  All—all these things I gave you already. It’s all there. The key thing is when the semi conductive circuit’s broken, that’s what causes disrupt and that’s why reverse T3 goes up and that’s why the  optic resistance functionally is a light-mediated problem.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now I also heard you talk about leptin resistance from using

 hCG to modulate leptin resistance as well.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You can. And that—that is one of things I did a long time ago before I realize  how the physics of  the organism truly works.  And I called that one of my you know, seminal biohacks to figure out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Why this work. Because you know, most allophatic doctors I’ll be the first one to be honest with you—I thought 15 years ago,  that hCG  was a bunch of horse shit.  And then when I started to learn about this intricate brain circuits, I started to realize, actually, there is a role for this. And actually is uncovering—actually how this whole system really works. And the problem is I think the practitioners at UJCG don’t realize that it’s—it’s kinda like rhodiola for adrenal fatigue. It works while you use it but as soon as you take__ you don’t realize that you have to have the light change with it. It’s an epic fail. It’s great for clinicians.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Coz it’s like uh—it’s what I called uh—Uhm—but you cannot sustain weight loss using hCG until you fix the light environment that makes it—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you gotta get the light and the EMF dialed in. That totally makes sense. And then you mention some stuff about the MFL a little bit earlier. What’s your take on this uh– TCE the Traumatic Chronic Encephalopathy—the Will Smith movie.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s your take on that as a neurosurgeon? What  do you see coming into your clinic? And would you let your kid play football?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Read my card wall. It says all. The implications—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We’ll link to it. What’s the reader’s digest version, though?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Readers digest version: Anything that disrupts electron change transport mitochondria is something you need to stay away from. And what happens is this kid started off when they’re younger and you have to realize the more damage they have when they’re younger, the worst it is when they get older. Uhm—in terms of what I let my kids play, uh—knowing what I know now, No. I wouldn’t let them play soccer, I wouldn’t let them play hokey, I wouldn’t let them play football. Uh—but I would let them play—like if they didn’t play when they were younger and they wanted to play like uh, say late in high school or college, I personally think that’s the reason why if you think about—coz you know we got the NFL draft last week. It’s kinda some interesting thing. I looked at it like this kid from Washington University. I want you to think about this is gonna be really interesting for you. You know, John Ross ran the fastest 40—He run 40.20 but when he run it, he actually pulled uh_ and he didn’t run the second one. He was inside the RCA Dome in Indianapolis under Xeon blue light that was not run by a DCA converter. It was run by the AC current. So he was set up that the flicker effect of those lights are ridiculous. But he still run that time. I told you, if you can run that fast, your redox is good. But I want you to think about where he originally lived. He lived in Los Angeles.  He used to plant Snoop Dogg’s uh team when he was a young kid. And Snoop Dog said, “This kid was the faster kid ever.” So I want you to think. Now, when he went to Washington at the 45th latitude, that’s where he went—the University of Washington. He tore ACL’s and they repair them and obviously he’s doing pretty good. Uhm—but if you’re in NFL asking me the question you just asked, would you draft John Ross knowing that he’s gonna have a 10 or 15 year career? The answer is, “No, I would not.” But will he be good the first 5 years of his career? The answer is, “Yes.” If you have to beat the Seattle Seahawks, the New England Patriots, the answer is, “No” because they played at a high latitude. If you were the Miami Dolphins, the Tennessee Titans, the Houston Texans, the San Diego Chargers, my answer would be, “Yes.” Now I’m gonna tell you why I said that, when you get off this podcast, I want you to open up the google box.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse:  And look at the top 20 rushers in the NFL history, you know what you’re gonna notice about 19 out of 20?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Throughout south

Dr. Jack Kruse: The south east of the United States. Everybody knows the most famous guy, Emmit Smith.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Emmit Smith.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You know where he’s from?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: From Florida. He went to University of Florida, so probably Florida area.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Pensacola right on the gulf of Mexico.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Florida. Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Gulf of Mexico happens to be one of the best places to grow up. Why? 600 miles from Pensacola. Do you know what’s in the the bottom of the gulf?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What?

Dr. Jack Kruse: A hole when an asteroid hit 65 million years ago. And do you know where— where you came from? You came from that change. Coz what’s out there? Dinosaurs. What came? The age of mammals. What—what is different? Mitochondria. See that? You’re back to the same story again. And you didn’t even realize it. The only guy in the top 20 list that breaks the rules is John Riggins.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How about Jim Brown, though? Didn’t he play for the Browns? That’s Cleveland.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Played for the browns but where was he originally from?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm he went to Syracuse, too.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yup, Syracuse. But what time did he—was in college? Played for in his early 50’s.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. 57, first round draft pick.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Let me ask you a question. Was there uh—  a google then that you come in to do what we’re doing now? Or is he outside riding his bike, playing ball in the sun?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. He’s from Georgia originally, so yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: There you go. See that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Pretty shocking. He was north. He was up north for a good 15 years. That’s still pretty good.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And you know, he played how long, my friend?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 10—

Dr. Jack Kruse: 19 years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But for a running back, that’s pretty good, though.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Was he smart to bail when he bail?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Definitely smart.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, here’s the point that I’m trying to make to you. We can have this conversation. Most people who are sports fans never even think about these things. So far, I’d give you another, for example, uh—Well I’m trying to give you a really controversial one. I’m talking about Junior Seau. You know he comes from—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: middle of the Pacific Ocean. He played in San Diego. He was probably the dominant—dominant line backer, right, of his time. When did he start going south? When he last San Diego.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Patriots.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Everybody knows what happens after. He wanted to kill himself. And why is that the case? Where do—where do humans vary in mitochondria? Here in their heart. What is the other thing that we know about NFL players? Their cardiac longevity also is in_. See? The thing is the way mitochondria work is very similar to __. Those guys are really good early in their career but they burn out fast. That’s what we call__.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: What is—what are the stars in the world that live the longest? It’s red giants.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Jack Kruse:  You think about all the things that earlier about cytochrome C oxidates, proteins and red light force. And what I—we just say about blue light? Blue makes you burn and live faster. It speeds time up. Red slows time down. So does purple. And the reason why purple works is because purple electrons actually gets sliced by this slicer in the mitochondria called the Q cycle. And the Q cycle is run by cholines and Q10. One of the biggest functions of the  Q cycle is to take a highly excited electron and turn it into light frequencies in the red light. So what do we do with purple light? You’re slowing it down and then turning we’re turning it into red light for cytochrome C oxidates, which is the third—uh—the third cytochrome. And what does cytochrome do? It makes more ATP. We’re back to the story we started. 2/3 vs. 1/3

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 1/3, right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s the reason why UV light isn’t toxic. That’s the reason why dermatologist and your question before, you asked me I think three times about collagen.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Now you know the reason why. Because the reason that he got this belief, the reason why dermatologist got its belief because they don’t understand how light works. The physics of organisms, the physics of cells, what you understand it. Makes sense. And I’m sure—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But you’re also not getting burned either. You built up that solar callus—

Dr. Jack Kruse: I don’t care if I get burned. I don’t care if I get burned.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really?

Dr. Jack Kruse: I don’t. I could care less.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And here’s the uh—here’s the—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But you have a nice thick solar callus now, though. So you built that thing up.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I know. But you know, next week I’m getting ready to go to Mexico. So the sun is already—probably like July—June and July is strong down there. So from that standpoint, I don’t really worry about it. Uh—but I’m not gonna tell you if why I’d be going to the equator and stay up for 12 hours a day. I know. Obviously, I wouldn’t do something like that. But once you do this long enough, it becomes pretty obvious and intuitive how long you need to be out there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And why you start seeing improvements in your own redox potential. There’s labs I told you. You don’t have to be a doctor to figure this out. You can actually look at it yourself and go through it and say, “This makes sense.”  I mean one of the easiest things I tell people, if you’re anemic, you need to get out on the sun. And you know, how many times do you hear about the B12 and the D3 story from functional docs. They have no idea anybody who’s B12 deficient is light deficient. They have solar deficient. They’re missing UV and IR light. They’re missing purple and red light. And what’s the first thing that they do? They reach for the pill. And I’m like—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So if you’re a vegetarian, you’re not eating, you’re not consuming B12, if you’re just getting sunlight, would that be enough to replete that macrocytic anemia?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Probably not. Because you know, and the reason I say that uh it’s kinda interesting. Take a look at where vegetarians tend to live. And the best country to go for that is India. If you draw a line in India.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Right to the middle and below it is all the vegetarians and above it is all the meat eaters.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Jack Kruse: What’s the difference? The light. The light vegetarians get light in India coz they’re always in strong light cycle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm. Interesting.

Dr. Jack Kruse: And guess what happens in the north part, up by the Himalayan Mountains? They’re up at 29,000 feet. Why are all the_ is dark skinned? Now you know the reason why. Because they’re getting more UV light even though they are at a higher latitude because their altitude is high and what else is the benefit? No people are there. Why? Because the mountains are huge.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Jack Kruse: See, all the things we talked about, when you start thinking about it, you start going, “Damn, I actually never have thought about this.” And I told people this all the time. Remember the terminal electron receptor for mitochondria’s oxygen. How do you make oxygen? UV lights hit ozone and you make O2. UV lights make oxygen. And you don’t even think about it. But you have this thing, “Oh, I can’t go outside coz UV light is bad for me.” Why? It’s what’s put up in your head by your mother, your doctor, or somebody else. That’s the reason why you feel that way. For me, the strong UV light usually mean that you’re gonna have pretty good O2 and anytime you have O2, O2 is you’re thermal electron receptor.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey, Jack, I lost you there.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. And you went totally dead you just—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. I know.

Dr. Jack Kruse: You just froze.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No problem. I’ll add this to it. We’ll wrap up here. I’m gonna recording again. Right. Go ahead. So you we’re saying there before we were cut off.

Dr. Jack Kruse: I don’t know what I was saying. Uh—Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you were talking about the redox—

Dr. Jack Kruse: Oh, yeah. The redox potential is the key to healthy living. The more negative charge you have in your body, you’re better off if you do.
The fastest way you develop net negative charge is realizing that you have to have electrons to be programmed by somebody. And the more electrons that you can contain, the better you are. That’s the reason why the density of the water at the pools is much higher and colder because there’s more electrons in it. That’s the reason why DHA and—and the fish comes from colder—colder water. So if you understand this, basically, you just need to get your shoes off, take as much cold off as you’ve had or go to these clothes that they now make anything that penetration of UV and ion light. You know I think one of them is called__ That’s what I would use. Uhm—so that you can actually be naked without being naked when you’re outside no matter where you are. And this is fundamentally why just about every research study you read about vacation uh—told you that you spend 7 days in a strong light environment, everything gets better, your diet, your weight and everybody says it’s just relaxation. No, it’s a lot more than just relaxation. It’s about balancing the—the vagal motor system and the periventricular nucleus through light assimilation through the skin and your eye.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. I appreciate that. And if you’re stuck in a dessert island, what would be the one supplement you can bring with you outside of the sun?

Dr. Jack Kruse: Water.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Water. Okay. I appreciate that. Any last words here? You wanna  put out there for the listeners?

Dr. Jack Kruse: I just tell you that keep your mind open like a parachute. The thing is that made me say some things that you heard here today that are very counterintuitive to your beliefs, concepts. But remember, beliefs and paradigms all they are is precepts to the truth. The truth is always a moving__ of approximations. And the truth is designed to evolve so what maybe true today we might found out tomorrow is not so true uh—and the best way for us to define these things are is to observe nature in her form. She always morphs. You know the nature, the—the environment that we have in the United States in 1900, 1930’s in not applicable to 2017 anymore. And if you don’t believe me just go over your grandmother’s house and ask for how many people she knew who had Alzheimer’s disease or Parkinson’s disease when she was 6 years old. See these diseases came out of nowhere, same thing with autism. Autism is a mitochondrial disease. That’s where it comes from. It comes from the modern environment that we built in. We’re not cognizant enough and when we hear that the first time, it shocks you and it shouldn’t shock you. It’s the reason why in  1900, colon cancer is the 37th leading cause of cancer and today it’s number 2. Did all of a sudden our genes change in 5 generations for a lot of that to occur? No, the answer is not. But change the amount of assimilation of that energy in mitochondria is what changed the gene. That’s the key. There’s 2 genomes in us the one that’s most important is the mitochondria. Become a mitochondria then you’ll be a lot better, folks.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Dr. Jack Kruse, I appreciate it.

Dr. Jack Kruse: Alright. Take care, man.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You too, Jack. Take care. Bye.



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