Coronavirus Updates, Herd Immunity, and Asymptomatic Population are Increasing | Podcast #281
Hey everyone! In today’s episode for Beyond Wellness Podcast, Dr. Justin and Evan give a live virus update, highlights on approaches for a good immune system support aside from the defensive approaches. This podcast will give a lot of information in preventing viruses from entering your body. Check out the transcription below.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
2:17 Virus Global Statistics
7:53 Effects of Unhealthy Lifestyle
16:40 Asymptomatic Cases
30:15 Questions on Virsues
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here, I’m with Evan brand Today we’re going to be giving you guys a live Coronavirus update, want to tell you about our thoughts and things and of course just highlight offensive approaches to in supporting your immune system. Most approaches are totally defensive, social distancing, quarantine, washing your hands all fine and dandy, but those are all defensive approaches. We want to talk about offensive approaches where you guys can be in the driver’s seat, Evan, how you doing this morning?
Evan Brand: I’m doing well. And let’s give a brief intro to who we are in case people are new to the podcast. So Dr. Justin Marchegiani, he’s a chiropractic doc who’s studied functional medicine extensively for over a decade, he successfully treated thousands and thousands of patients around the world. And he works virtually where he sends lab tests to people’s homes and creates functional medicine programs to find and fix the root cause of various health issues. I do the same but I’m not a chiropractor. I have other functional medicine credentials and also work with people online worldwide. So that’s what We do on a day to day basis is help people reverse health issues that they previously had trouble with, and maybe got limited results working with the conventional medical model. And we had our own health struggles that led us into fixing our own problems, which is why we love and we’re so passionate about what we do. So that’s the brief bio behind us. And what kind of spurred today’s conversation is that we were looking at some stats here, and many people have heard about Italy being a huge hotspot, so to speak of this whole Coronavirus issue in Italy having, you know, massive amounts of infection and higher rates of death and such. But what we’re finding now is even higher percentage of comorbidities and what we reported on last time we reported on a smaller number now it’s looking like more than 99% 99% of fatalities from COVID occurred among people who had underlying medical condition. And so it showed that 0.8 so less than 1% of people who died had no underlying condition at all. So let me just break it down real quick. 76% had high blood pressure, almost 36% had diabetes 33% had heart disease that is insane.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% also i’m going to share on screen with you guys as well. So you guys can see, according to the telegraph on reevaluation by the National Institute of Health only 12% of death certificates show in Italy a direct cause from Coronavirus, while 88% of those who had died on the death certificate had at least one pre morbidity but also maybe up to two to three. So I think that’s also pretty powerful is out of all the causes of death on there, only 12% they can show a direct cause to and I’ll put this on screen here so you guys can see what I’m saying here. So right here, this is the telegraph article only 12% of death certificates show direct causality that’s important to know. And you know, when Evan and I watched the news How we do it is we compartmentalize opinion, and the pundits talking head with the data. So ideally, you just try to get the data. And then you try to formulate your opinion versus get swayed by a talking head. Now, the better the news station, people just give you more of the data versus their opinion. And that’s better, the more a lot of times the opinion and the data do do not go hand in hand for obvious reasons, right for yourselves if it leads to bleeds. And so we always want to make sure you guys are watching things with the compartmentalised brain so you don’t fall for it.
Evan Brand: So it’s tough to do. And it’s tough to do, right what you’re what you’re saying sounds easy, but it’s tough because sometimes the data may be mixed in with a testimonial, and then there’s a footage of a hospital and then there’s like a lady walking in a mask and some B roll footage. So it’s really tough to dissect that. It’s really tough to just pull out what you need from it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and I recommend don’t ever fall for any ask exposes, when someone’s doing a one off on someone dying. Don’t ever fall for that because number one is people die all the time. And you don’t know what their health history is you don’t know anything about their life. Number two, for instance, 150 people die a year, 150 kids die a year of the flu. You don’t see any expose on kids dying. You know, you could do an expose literally every single day on a child dying of the flu throughout the winner maybe even twice a day, right? But you don’t see that. Right? So why, right? There’s a reason why they’re trying to get you to feel something that they’re not really caring about that much one of the flus in, you know, in town, so to speak. So in order that you want to look at the global percentage, you want to look at averages across the board. That’s the better way to handle it so you don’t fall prey.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And you’re talking about how they’ll just do a specific story on this woman and how she had three kids and she worked two jobs, and she worked so hard, and here’s her dog and what are they going to do with her dog now that she’s gone, that kind of stuff you’re talking about where it’s more emotionally focused on one person and they they separate that they kind of leave the statistics away and hyper focus in is that what you’re talking about?
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. So they’ll hyper focus And they won’t give you of course, most people aren’t going to get a background on their health because of all the HIPAA stuff, right? So they’re not going to really give a big background on their health or comorbidities, or even what their diet or lifestyle is like. So then a lot of people just feel like it’s it could creep up on them and get them just as easily right. And I think this empowers people. So I recommend staying away from any of the one off exposes and just kind of look at the global statistics, because that gives you a better perspective on what’s happening. And the global statistics show, you know, 99% plus are going to have comorbidities. That’s really important. And most of the comorbidities, as I’ve already shown, involve some level of diabetes and blood sugar dysregulation, 60 plus percent. There was a journal article in the New England Journal of Medicine last month, looking at a lot of people that died up in Seattle and 60 plus percent had diabetes. Now once you have diabetes, 80% of diabetes, people are going to have kidney issues. So if you have kidney issues, then probably I also have blood pressure issues. So once you have blood sugar issues, you’re going to have two or three comorbidities over time just because so the older you are, the reason why the elderly is so at risk is because chronic degenerative diseases, they’re just that they’re chronic. So bad decisions may today compound over time, just like if you invest money when you’re younger in your 20s and 30s, compound interest grows it so it’s bigger and better in your 50 60 70s. Same thing with bad habits and disease, we start putting bad habits in the health bank, and that starts to compound over time and we start generating symptoms and disease over time, just like wealth investment generate wealth over time. So keep that in the back of your mind. Number two elderly are going to have typically less vitamin D, they’re they’re going to be indoors a lot more. They’re also going to have less hydrochloric acid. And then a lot of less hydrochloric acid means are not going to be breaking down protein as well. They’re going to have less muscle mass. Because they’re not having protein, they’re also going to be on more medications. And those medications create more side effects. And remember, antibodies and part of your immune responses. antibodies are made from protein. So we don’t have or digest and protein, that’s gonna be a problem. And then if we don’t have the minerals like zinc or magnesium, that’s going to create more problems. So it’s not like because you’re elderly like and you hit a certain age, you’re just magically susceptible. There are key physiological things that happen over time, that make elderly folk more susceptible. And here are the things that we can do to stop it. And that’s the digestion the vitamin D, the blood sugar issues, right, the older and the longer you have this glycaemia right imbalanced blood sugar from too much carbs or refined carbohydrate or a cellular carbs. Over time, those insulin cells will get numb and that’s a big mechanism with this whole thing that’s happening here.
Evan Brand: Yep, well said and the fact to the sedentary lifestyle that older people are having to I mean, especially if you’re someone who has in a nursing home, for example, I don’t I’ve never heard of a story of, you know, a client of mine who had a parent or a grandparent in a nursing home going and get an exercise program. And you know, it’s not like they’re getting five days a week of high intensity interval training or anything like that. So it’s just, it’s crazy. And you mentioned the bad habits. So what what do you mean by the bad habits? Well, this is mainly like the high carbohydrate processed food diet that most people are on. I mean, if you look at in general, unfortunately, if you look at my grandparents pantry, it’s loaded full of garbage, honey buns and peanut butter crackers and hydrogenated oils and corn syrup and chocolate milk. I mean, just crazy, right? It’s just it’s really, really bad stuff. So there was a lady named Dr. Sandra Webber. She’s the president of the American Association of clinical endocrinologist. She said, we know that if you do not have good glucose control, you’re at high risk for infection, including viruses and presumably, this one COVID-19 as well improving glucose control I would put you in a situation where you would have better immune function. So I mean, that’s straight from the horse’s mouth if you want somebody who’s established and has a good, a good pulse on this, really beating and reversing insulin resistance should be your number one focus right now. So instead of like being upset, here’s something kind of like, embarrassing, but here it is, you’re ready to hear it. So my wife’s sister, and their whole family. They’re posting all these challenges these quarantine challenges they’re doing and their latest challenge that they’re sharing with everyone on the world by posting on social media is a the best store bought cookie challenge. And her sister’s husband, he already has diabetes, but here they are going to the grocery and they are buying 10 different brands. I’m talking Oreos, the fudge covered Oreos, that Elmer Fudd cookies the way I don’t even know all of them. And let’s, let’s eat every single cookie to figure out, you know, during our quarantine period, what is the best store bought cookie? It’s like, no, don’t you get it, you’re missing the whole point of this. So it’s crazy. You know, people would think that based on us being who we are that people, anybody close to us would have it all figured out. Right that that all of our family members and friends and all that would just have it so dialed in. But unfortunately, that’s not the case.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you’re never going to be a prophet in your own town. Right? That that’s kind of a, a biblical quote there. So keep that in the back of your head, the people closest to you tend to under appreciate the the information you bring to the table. So just kind of looking at a couple of things here. Let’s go look at some of the statistics. I want to break it all down. We’re over the hump. My original estimates, I said, half of the flu kind of be where we’re going to be at overall from a data perspective. The problem is, it may even be way less than that. The problem is the criteria. diagnosis on the corona virus is very difficult. Number one, the symptoms overlap with a lot of other diseases IE flu, other types of Corona viruses, other types of rhinovirus there’s a big overlap there. Number one, number two, because the testing is so let’s just say shoddy meaning it’s a 50 to 80%, false positive on that 30%, I think on the sensitivity, so there’s a great chance of a lot of false positives. So that’s going to aid in more positive diagnosis. And you could have another virus another issue that could look like it and then you could have that one, be diagnosed because it’s one it’s false positive number two, on the vital and human statistics criteria, you don’t even have to have a positive test to get diagnosed. I’ll say that again. Well, you do not have to have a positive test to diagnose. Let’s go look at let’s go look at the data, bringing you guys the actual facts. Alright, so this is an article right here. This is you guys can see it. This is the guidance for certifying deaths due to Coronavirus 2019. This is the vital statistics reporting guy. This is 2020. Okay, this came out last week.
Evan Brand: And let me just preface this by saying this is absolutely insane what you were about to show us because this is why the numbers, even though the numbers look far better than initially predicted, the numbers are actually probably even better than that based on what you’re about to read.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so number one, is let’s look at this. So this is how their diagnosis in case where a definitive diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but it’s suspected or likely, right? The circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree. Remember, the symptoms for COVID-19 are going to overlap flu and many other respiratory viruses, lung issues breathing, hypoxia potential pneumonia symptoms in and around that on a death certificate as okay so right here, it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as probable or present In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment to determine COVID-19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID-19 should be conducted whenever whenever possible. So what they’re implying here is that you do not need testing to make that diagnosis. So whenever it’s possible, but you can still make it without the diagnosis because it’s probable or presume so if you presume it based on symptomatic significance or symptomatic parody, it seems similar, right, then you can make that diagnosis. So that’s just just want to show you the exact criteria that they’re that they’re looking at.
Evan Brand: All right, and this is, this is Yeah, and people that are listening, they probably are not going to see this screen that you’re showing. This is from the Center for Disease Control’s dot gov website.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, that’s really important to know. And then the other issue is going to be on the false positives. I’ve already posted a bunch of studies on this already. What I’ll do is I’ll pull my study on that up in a second here. I’ll let you kind of riff on that for a minute. Go ahead.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And regarding this stuff you’ve already talked about with the false positives. It’s not that you’re saying this doesn’t exist, it truly does exist. And it’s not that you’re saying people are not dying, they truly are dying. But what we’re saying is, it’s really tough when you’re looking at the amount of response that’s happened, based on everything being shut down, when people that are dying from other things are getting tagged as that and then you have the state by state governors coming on the news and saying, oh, my goodness, we had 30 more deaths in the past 24 hours or 50 more deaths or whatever, and you don’t have you don’t have any idea of actually, how many of those 30 were truly that versus just the naturally occurring 30 deaths that would have happened in that city based on some other respiratory thing.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110% Yep, that’s 100% true. And that’s the concern. It’s always it’s always about proportion. Okay, that’s really the key thing. It’s always about proportionality is what we’re doing proportional to what’s happening, right? Because we don’t want to overshoot in any of these things either. So we got to look at everything and proportionality perspective, I think gets really important. So we already talked about that or anything else. Evan, you wanted to highlight on that?
Evan Brand: That’s it for that. I just wanted to get back to the to the real point here, which is that if you’re kind of blessed with more time on your hands now and you’re thinking, Okay, what can I do to be proactive? That’s what you said in the beginning, which is that we want to be more action based. We want to be more action oriented, as opposed to just having so much fear you don’t know what to do with the fear. If you are fearful, I totally understand, but we want you to channel that. So possibly intermittent fasting, which is going to help promote insulin sensitivity and improve your blood sugar management. Now, this is important for if you’re a type two diabetic, this is important for high blood pressure that can help reduce that. If you’re obese that can help that possibly going ketogenic or Close to ketogenic or maybe cycling in and out of ketosis is going to be helpful as well. This is going to significantly reduce your risk of becoming seriously ill if you were to get infected that is the point is that you may possibly could get infected, but you want to do as much as you can to reduce your potential risk of severity and getting blood pressure regulated, getting blood sugar under control, those are going to be very, very important based on what we’re looking at here with this whole Italy paper.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and let me go share here one more article with you guys so you guys can see what I’m talking about. All right. Okay, so this is the big thing, right? We’ve already kind of talked about if you guys have been following some of my podcasts on this topic, is the fact that one study right here found 86% of all infections were actually undocumented. Undocumented means you have the antibodies or you actually got the infection but you have no symptoms at 86%. That’s one that’s one out of 7.14 people are actually showing symptoms. It could be even higher, it could be 10 to 20 symptoms 10 to 20 people have no symptoms for everyone that does have symptoms, okay? So for every seven to eight on the low end are going to get the infection and have no symptoms per one, or up to 10 to 20 are going to get the infection make antibodies and have no symptoms. That’s really, really important because that creates herd immunity, right? When you get 90 95% of the population with an infection, after two to three weeks are no longer spreading it, they’re going to have an immune response. So here’s 86% of all infections are undocumented. Here’s the whole higher temperature thing, right? They’re looking at basically, here are basically different cities in China and they look at the temperature and they look at as the temperature increases Celsius, the infection rate drops, and that’s important and that’s partly because of UV light, kills viruses and humidity actually makes it harder for viruses to spread. I want you to keep that in the back end. Hey guys. And there was one more study here. This has potential false asymptomatic rate, and they’re looking at nearly half of even more of the asymptomatic infected individuals reported the active nucleic acid screening might be a false positive. That’s important. This kind of supports the whole false positive thing. If you have a test, that’s half correct, you’re going to get more people stacked on. And the other component I want to highlight is, this is an article out of the LA Times large scale COVID-19 antibody testing study launched in California, so they’re doing a COVID-19 antibody study already, because there’s only 300 deaths. There’s about a 10 to 15 x difference between California and New York. That’s crazy. When we go look at the United States, we break it down. Let’s go look at their stats. And when you compare California number one who has a higher homeless population, because of the weather, so you’re gonna have more transmission because you know, the homeless are going to be malnourished they’re going to live in tight close quarters. is gonna be less sanitation, plumbing, all that stuff, right? Look at California they have 681 total deaths. Let’s look in New York, they have 9385. Okay, we do the math on that 9385 divided by 681. That’s a 14 x difference, nearly 14 x difference. And they’re supposing the reason why that happened because there’s only about a two day difference between social distancing in New York and California. And remember, it takes two weeks for social distancing to actually take effect. So two days would not explain a 14 to 15 x difference. And we also have other countries that didn’t really shut down their economy. Alright, so for instance, if we just do desk per 1 million just as a good reference point. That way we can compare smaller countries whereas the US the US is at 67. Desperate 1 million. We’re Sweden that Sweden just a little bit higher at 91. So there are only one country in between us and Sweden. Sweden didn’t shut down their economy. Okay, who else didn’t? I can tell you Denmark didn’t and they’re actually less than us. Okay. I could tell you who else didn’t was Brazil?
Evan Brand: Yeah, tell us the number since people may not be watching some people may be listening. Denmark is 49 deaths per million.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. Denmark’s 49 We also are going to have Brazil here. Let me just do a Ctrl F on this so I can find it faster. So Brazil’s at six deaths per million. I can also tell you who didn’t shut down their economy was South Korea. Okay, South Korea didn’t shut down their economy either and South Korea is at 37 out that South Africa South Korea, ads I can find them on here. I’m not sure whether or not there but they are actually less as well. I’ll try to pull them up here in a minute.
Evan Brand: That’s okay. That’s That’s enough. That’s enough points. I mean, that’s crazy. Oh, there it is. That’s Korea.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So therefore, yeah, they’re under S dot Korea 4 per million for Wow. You can see the US is at 91 and then you can see a couple of countries ahead of us. So the nice thing is we have a Decent control, meaning other countries that didn’t go to the full extent. And there’s a couple of theories out there. What does this do? So number one by us doing all the quarantine stuff and in socialized social distancing, that helps flatten the curve. Now, let’s see the curve. Here’s the curve. All right, we’re already at peak, we’re already coming down the bell curve now. Okay, I predicted this two weeks ago, this would happen like around April 10, April 11. It happened April 11. They actually predicted April 16. And they backed it off a bit. Okay. Remember, these are the same experts that came in at two to 3 million deaths. Without social distancing, then then with just social distancing being intact. They went from 2 to 3 million to 2 to 300,000. And they went from that to 100,000 to 85,065. And now they’re at 60,000 projected deaths. Okay, here it is 61,545. Now, I’ll just tell you, that’s a massive variance. That’s a massive variance when you go off 10 20 x by plugging in simple variables, and you’re that far off, that’s concerning. Okay, that means we have a bad model. But anyway, if we go look at the hospital resources, the whole goal of flattening the curves, so we don’t go outside of the shaded area, right? These are all of our resources up here.
Evan Brand: And what he’s showing resources for people listening on audio, he’s looking at a graph here, there’s a big shadow, we TP sort of over this dotted line, the TP is the capacity. And the capacity is insanely higher than what the reality of need is for various beds and things like that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. So the the purple dotted line is kind of where we’re actually projected. And then the shadow is kind of where our resources max out. So the whole reason why we do all this social distancing is to flatten the curve. But now that we’re on top of the curve, and our resources were more than adequate, well, now I think it’s time at some point for at least help people to start going to get get getting back out there and becoming asymptomatic, getting antibodies. They I already know what’s happening in California. That’s why they are, are doing the study right now. Right? Why have so many people in California not gotten sick compared to New York? It’s because there’s antibodies. And they’re actually doing this study over at Stanford right now, testing antibodies at a large scale. So that’s important to note.
Evan Brand: Okay, well, I’m gonna sneak out. I’m gonna sneak out of this podcast. But I think if you have more things to say, don’t let me end your podcast short, but I gotta run.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Sounds good. Having a good chat with you. We will be in touch this week. Take care.
Evan Brand: Sounds good, everybody. Take care. Bye. Bye.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: All right, so just to keep on rolling with you guys here. Let’s go look at the stats. So the US is already over the bell curve. So the problem a lot of people interpret statistics as a logarithmic thing like this. So they kind of look at it as like, Whoa, it just keeps on going forever, right? That’s kind of how they look at it. But no, it typically works like a like a bell curve. All right, so you can see our cases are already dropping for the last week, which is great. Now, again, are these case numbers correct? We don’t necessarily know if the case numbers are correct. But if we’re using the same faulty testing for everyone, we at least have the same baseline. Right? So we have the case numbers dropping, we have the deaths actually dropping as well, you can see that so we have a nice decline here on the bell curve, which shows us we are on the right track. Okay. And let’s compare us to Italy. All right, Italy, deaths totally dropping. And daily new cases totally dropping as well. So we’re on the right track there. So my general suggestion is people that are healthy, and people that are younger, the best thing we can do is get herd immunity going via natural passive exposure. So eventually, at some point, when we start getting back out there, the Healthy People getting out there first will be the best thing that we can do, because that will one will get over it fast or we have a 90% chance of having no symptoms. And then we create this natural passive immunity that will last me Minimum a few years, it could even last decades, right? Think about every childhood illness, chickenpox, right? I got chickenpox. I never had to worry about chickenpox. Again, that’s a lifetime thing, or at least a three or four decade thing. But either way, a couple of years on the short end, decades on the long end.
But one thing that’s interesting look, look at India. India is a big country, right? India’s over a billion people and we know like places like Bombay or other areas where their close quarters maybe not the best plumbing maybe a little bit inhospitable. In regards to that stuff, cleanliness, their cases are pretty darn low and their deaths are already dropping. They’re already kind of trending down a little bit and they only had 300 deaths in the country of 300. I mean 1.2 million people I think so I think what you’re seeing here is more antibody more herd immunity stuff, right? This is more herd immunity. This is India and again, the data is coming from World meters dot info. All right. Same thing with Italy Italy’s already on the downward track. We already talked About the study here in LA and Stanford where they’re looking at the antibody testing, I’ve actually already ordered antibody testing for myself. And I’ll be getting it tested really soon. And then we talked about the diagnosis, the diagnostic criteria and why it’s a little bit suspect. I think that’s really important to kind of highlight because it’s probable or presumed, and that’s concerning, because when there’s a lot of hysteria and symptoms overlap, which they do, okay, symptoms overlap, probable and presumed is a really easy logical step to make. Okay.
And then I wanted to highlight the the study here. So this is the 50% false positive rate there. And then we have at a minimum we have at a minimum 86% of infections are undocumented meaning they’re asymptomatic, okay, meaning you have the antibodies. You have the infection, but no symptoms. That’s one that’s 7.14 people are going to get the antibodies and no infection for everyone that gets it and that’s on the low. End it It can be even as high as a 95%, which would be 19 people out of 20 actually are asymptomatic. Okay, keep that in the back of your head. And the major mechanism I want to highlight here is going to be the blood sugar mechanism. This study here looking at type two diabetes and metabolic improvement, what they found is your phagocytes which are part of their an activity that your immune cells to like neutrophils, lymphocytes, monocytes, they act like Pac men and Pac women and they gobble up and invalidate viruses. So here’s a virus here, and it’s going to eat this virus up and it’s going to digest it and break it down. Okay? This process gets weaker when we have high levels of insulin. And so here they say glycemic control is related to phagocytic activity. Our results suggest that improving improvement in the phagocytic activity can be added to the beneficial effects of metabolic optimization. Man, people write these things as if they don’t want you to understand what’s going on. What they’re saying is Hey, the less insulin we make The better our blood sugar is, the more your phagocytes are going to act are going to gobble up viruses and bacteria in your body. So better immune health. So we have better blood sugar and better insulin levels, equal better immune levels. I wish they could just write it that simple in a bullet point type of thing. And then we know just to bring it up for you guys. Um, so we have New England, New England Journal of Medicine, I’m gonna pull this up for you guys.
And then we’ll do COVID-19 patients. And I already pulled this study up recently, but here you go. This came out last month, March 30th. And what I wanted to highlight in this study was the diabetes mechanisms. So you’re going to see right here of 58%, had diabetes mellitus 58%. And again, this is a small patient sample, but I just wanted to highlight that because it’s very, very important because we know the mechanism of blood sugar issues and weakened immune system. response. So if I can just get people to just focus on sunlight, natural vitamin D, getting their blood sugar under control, while at the same time getting on some things to support your immune system I’ve already talked about it vitamin A, C and D are going to be great things first line on the nutrient side if we can stack in and AC or glue to tie on even better. And then if you want to add a immune booster on the herbal or medicinal mushroom side we do Reishi astragalus as a good kind of stack and now my line I have a product called them you know supreme that has a combination of those in it as well as one called viruses. That’s kind of like my back label one that I’m doing now I backorder one because my other ones getting sold out. So I have two products that I’m that I’m personally taking right now my family is taking but those are options if you guys kind of want a combo product. If not you guys can also piecemeal some of the general suggestions that I’m making. I hope that helps. Let me just see if I have any questions guys and I’m happy to help you out.
Alright, let’s see what’s up. Let me go into questions for you guys. Okay, here we go.
What about the role of processed food and lowering immunity 100% Why? Why would processed food do that processed food is tends to be higher in junky crap oh hydrates and refined sugar and also bad fats, bad fats. So those things are going to weaken your cells and they’re going to increase the insulin and weaken your immune system. Yeah, Kathy writes, it makes me sick. Oh, people are falling for the fear mongering. Thank you guys for doing what you’re doing. Yep, absolutely. I appreciate it. Kathy Jane Friday Not today. Nevin does hi BP groups of deaths differentiate between uncontrolled high BP BP or control BP with people control meds. It’s gonna go with comorbidities. So if someone has a diagnosis or a disease But they’re actually managing it and their blood pressure is normal, they’re probably not going to fall in that category. There are multiple people that are going to have blood pressure problems primarily because of blood sugar, and then blood sugars and to create kidney stress and, and kidney stress is going to create blood pressure as well as blood pressure is also going to be intimately connected with heart disease. So it just depends kind of where you’re at. If you’re on a medication, and you’re managing your blood pressure, and it’s, you know, under 120, over 80, you’re probably going to be fine. But I mean, in general, why are you on the blood pressure medication because a lot of times those medications over the long term actually create more problems because a lot of them, a lot of them work by being a diuretic. And when you have a diuretic, you’re going to be pulling out a lot of important minerals that are actually important for the heart to work properly, like potassium and magnesium. So you just got to make sure you’re supporting the nutrients so your heart works good to Justin and Evan, I was wondering if I’m a high risk for COVID. Since I have HSD. You have to give me the abbreviation HST I could probably figure it out in arthritis in mass cell activation. I do eat healthy take vitamins and light exercise and 51 K. Let me just see if I can figure out what you mean by HST. See here? Nope, does not come up here. For me. I was at the the hypermobility spectrum disorder. So yeah, the third danlos syndrome issue. Yeah, it’s an autoimmune thing that affects connective tissue. Yeah, you definitely would be at higher risk. It just depends if you’re managing it now or not, like, are you stable with it or not? Of course, if you’re not stable, and you don’t have the good habits that we’ve talked about, then you’re definitely at risk. TNF alpha aisle six concentrations are high enough. rightous. Yeah, I mean, if you have an arthritic issue that’s going to be especially autoimmune based, your immune system will be more stressed. And if it’s more stressed, then it won’t have the resources to fight other infections appropriately. So of course glutathione and vitamin D is going to be one of the easiest low hanging fruit to modulate your immune system outside of just fresh air, clean water and a good whole food paleo template, favoring the lower side, the lower carbohydrate side. Doc JC writes in, great job guys. Have you heard about the FDA approved blood for blood purification devices seem to seem to figure it out. They have been mistreating to some degree thus far. Yeah, so a couple of things. I’m not sure what device you’re talking about. But the big issue that we’re finding is that there’s a lot of hypoxia. So most like flu causes more like a pneumonia. The problem with the pneumonia is we’re not quite seeing that as much we’re seeing more hypoxia, partly because the virus is destroying hemoglobin, and hemoglobin carries oxygen. Hemoglobin also has iron attached to it. So when you destroy hemoglobin, you’re also releasing a whole bunch of iron, which creates a lot more oxidative stress and inflammation. So part of the the underlying theory is maybe giving blood transfusions or purifying the blood in a way to get the iron out and add fresh human load them back in so they can carry oxygen. The next thing is let’s get them on maybe a seat, pap or just increase the oxygenation. Because the ventilators not fixing that. And in a lot of places, when you intubate, and you do ventilator under higher pressure, you can create damage to the lungs. So a lot of people are rethinking how ventilators are being used. So my general suggestion is if you have a family member or yourself, going under a ventilator one try to maximize oxygen First, use a C Pap, of course, on the conventional side, I would talk to your doctor and ask about hydroxychloroquine out ask about the azithromycin. As long as you don’t have heart issues, and I’d ask about adding the 230 milligrams of zinc, I’d follow that acute protocol. And again, that’s going to be more defensive or offensive approach, but it’s kind of late stage offensive approach, do all the nutrient things ahead of time, and that I think will help even better but in general, cleaning out the blood, getting fresh hemoglobin in pulling the iron out Also if you have access to hyperbaric oxygen hyperbaric chamber oxygen therapy, where you can increase the oxygen saturation that may be a really good option.
It’s BS, it’s a virus it’s a blood disorder. So basically the virus is destroying the hemoglobin. So yeah, I do agree the virus is a destroying the hemoglobin and the hemoglobin carries the oxygen, thus, the hypoxia. Yeah, Cindy writes and I strongly agree the news is false Toronto old man 94 black face at home the died. They claim it’s a virus. Yeah, I mean, there’s definitely a lot of issues going on here. We look at the facts don’t ever don’t ever, you know, take a single person story, a emotional piece, you know, puff piece. You know, it’s sad that someone dies. I mean, all all lives matter. Right. But in general, when we look at things, we have to look at it over a broad spectrum. We have to know what the comorbidities are at See here? It’s Elon Musk satellites. Not sure about that. I can’t speak to that, Ben. A lot of people saying it’s not I’m not sure. I mean, I just know that something you know, something is being tested, something’s coming back up, something’s affecting the immune system. I’m not sure if there’s data that it’s not a virus, but I think there’s something there for sure. See here what to do about intrinsic factor to absorb vitamin B 12. In leaky gut patients. So I mean, fix the gut, fix the gut, but in the meantime, you can always take high quality methylated b12 sublingually to improve the absorption. What’s the best sugar soft do any recommendations you can also do an organic high quality stevia, you know, do it in moderation, because when your tongue when sugar hits your tongue, it still can spit out a little bit of insulin so you don’t want to be training your body to to taste sugar in the field sugar all the time, even if it’s stevia or monk fruit, because you will maybe release a little bit of incense So you got to be careful with that. So at 20 on that meaning 20% of the time, you can use a little bit of high quality stevia without maltodextrin or monk fruits a good option. Patty rice, and thank you for sharing your facts so we can make our own decision. Excellent. Thanks, Patty. Any over the counter medications to manage if we get it, so if you actually get it, the first thing, it just depends if you’re in that risk factor group, and it depends on how severe it is because most people this thing won’t be that bad, right most. So 90% are going to be asymptomatic. And out of the out of that 10% that get it 80% will be totally mild. Write a little bit of an ache, like kind of feel like you have a mild flu or a mild cold for a couple days and it’s done. Okay, and it’s done. I know my brother actually got it. My brother works at a hospital and test for COVID-19 patients. And he felt like he got exposed. It was a two day kind of cold for him and he was up and over it but what gotta know afterwards because we’re going to test everyone with antibodies after the fact. Someone with IBD is more at risk, even though not taking immune suppressant medications. So Riley with yourself, because I know your history that you have Crohn’s. I would say only if you’re flaring. If you’re flaring with your Crohn’s. And your immune system is really stressed because of a flare, and you have blood in your stool and you’re not absorbing nutrition, I would say you’re definitely more at risk. But if you’re keeping everything at bay, because the inflammation under control, you’re digesting you’re absorbing, I would think you’re going to be in great shape. The question is, are you in the middle of a flare or not? And if you’re not, then that gives you a much better chance to be totally fine. When dealing with iron deficiency and infections, do you recommend taking iron food supplements on its own or adding some probiotics or herbs to the mix? Well, it depends. So I mean, in the context of COVID-19, I would not want to be adding any additional iron, unless we’re someone that’s a vegetarian and we know iron is very low, or a woman that’s menstruating. Quite a bit, or we know that we’re not dealing with infection, we’re just dealing with a malabsorption issue, and or maybe a poor diet issue because we’re vegan or vegetarian. So those could be possible players. It just depends. I would need more context. Tina writes in what dose of vitamins for children’s six years old? Well, I mean, I would need a little bit more reference on that. Like what for vitamin C for cod liver oil, I can just give you like vitamin D, you’d probably be fine with two to 3000 I use a vitamin D right now at least maybe for a month and retest. I would say on the vitamin C side, you could probably do a gram to just monitor loose stools. Here’s your kit. Your child’s tools are getting loose, we just back off on that. That’d be a really good you know, first thing, okay.
And again, there are some herbal immune supports that you can get for your kids I use one called immunoberry for my son, I have a couple and we use that and we do like one full dropper twice a day on that. Alright guys, hope that makes sense. Any other questions? For me, and let me know, was fun chatting, I just want to bring you guys some good Intel. I don’t want you guys to be scared. I want you guys to be in the driver’s seat. No one’s talking about offensive measures that can be done. Everyone’s talking about flattening the curve, which I think we done right, I showed you the data on that we’ve already done that. I think at this stage of the game, we you know, when the right health authorities come out and say it’s time I’ve been getting a lot of the Healthy People out there first is going to be smart, because we’re going to develop more herd immunity, and that will prevent the infection from being passed around. All right, and then if you’re in that really compromised group, then it makes more sense to me to be a little bit more quarantine, keep a little bit more distance in the meantime, and let everyone have a good chance to develop herd immunity first. And then number three, do all the immune boosting things, especially if you’re if you’re of that older age. You know, make sure you’re digesting your protein well if you need some hydrochloric acid, get that in there. Get your vitamin D Get your C up, if you need to proactively be on some glutathione or NAC do that in the meantime to really support your immune system and just kind of use common sense. I mean, people know when they get sick or if they’re immunocompromised, they kind of keep distances right. So I think just kind of do that. And if you’re stronger and healthier, I’m okay, still use common sense. Listen to what the you know, your local people are saying some places in the country are really strict right now. Some aren’t. I don’t want to get you guys arrested and tell you to do the wrong thing. But just do all the right things offensively to keep your guy’s immune system strong. Why are young people with strong immune system is dying? So that’s that’s news crap, right? Of course, people will die that are young. Of course, the problem is we don’t know anything about their background. And we need to know the statistical significance of that. Are we talking point 2% point 1% of the population, we have to know it as a percentage. So we can get a perception I can tell you like in the state of Massachusetts, where I’m from Started article saying one, not one person under the age of 60 has died of this and that was in mass. I’ve seen it in Italy, the average age of death in Italy was 79 and a half. So what you’re saying is not statistically significant by any means. And just to kind of give you guys an idea, the flu this season so far has killed 150 pediatric patients that’s between zero and 18. Okay. So you’re not seeing a puff piece. What think about a flu seasons? What, 90 days 100 days, you could almost see one to two people killed every day of the flu but you’re not seeing an X ray on those young people killed by the flu every day. You’re not okay. Because there’s not an emotional investment there is now so just know that that’s happened before and the media has responded differently. Now it’s happening again, and they’re responding differently. So just think right. Context is everything context brings you comfort, okay? contacts brings you comfort, is coconut or dates, sugar, a good surface. Dude, um, coconut sugar is and have a glycemic index to 15. So it’ll be okay. It’s still sugar, sugar more natural, but it’s still going to be sugar. So that’s okay. If you want to put it on that 20% cheat side, I typically would recommend something that would be we would have no sugar in it. And now the more the stevia or the monk fruit, first, maybe a little bit of birch trees out what’s all second or third Be careful animals can, if they eat it, they could die. So be very careful with that. And then the more natural, slower sugars maybe second or third, but again, they are still sugars is lipids, omo vitamin C equivalent to vitamin C from food sources. So vitamin C like was almost you’ll need less of a dose to increase your vitamin C levels when compared to, you know, a buffered vitamin C number one and then number two food sources. I mean, it just depends; it would probably absorb a little bit better for sure. [inaudible]
Is it okay to take Zinc in how many mg? I would say in Zinc you can take anywhere between 10-30mg, you could do a Zinc Sulfate, or Zinc Aspartate, this would be totally fine. The Zinc Glycinate, usually a good Zinc bound to a good clean amino acid is good. 10-30mg, and again in the Covid-19, Dr. Zulenco kinda had a clinical trial or more of a case study, he said 800 patients did not wanna pass from Covid, and they had a 99.9 success rate and he was doing 220-230mg of Zinc. That’s very acute. And again, Covid-19 a disease, SARS Covis-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is the disease, it’s kinda like HIV is the virus, AIDS is the disease. Okay, just kinda keep that in mind. People are combining the two. Ordered supplements from your store, I usually have them shipped to Detroit but can’t cross the border now. Will you ship it in Canada? Yes we can Dale, absolutely no problem. Sometimes there’s a little bit of delay with customs right now but we have no problem with that. I have a lot of Canadian patients. Mark writes in, could sudden loss of eyebrow hair be due to low thyroid, Yes it could be. Also see if there’s low temperature with it. And if you’re concerned we can always get you tested thyroid. If you need to order that, go to JustinHealth.com/shop, click on the lab tests section, and there will be a place for a full thyroid blood test that you can click on, order and get a prescription for and go to your local test lab, even today if you wanted. Labs are pretty sterile with protocols, our worst case just waits till everything is good to go.
It was phenomenal chatting with everyone. I’ll be back maybe later on for a live Q&A on all topics outside Covid. I hope you enjoyed the podcast, if you enjoyed, give a thumbs up, sharing is caring, comment down below, share to friends and family and if you want to reach out to me personally for a consult, we’ll put the link down for you guys. Alright have a good one, take care y’all. Bye.
Blood Sugar Issues and a Weaker Immune System – Blood Sugar & Virus Connection | Podcast #278
Hi everyone! Today’s podcast talks about blood sugar and immune system issues. Diabetes marks the second spot today in comorbidities, and more information about blood sugar regulation is coming right up. With current health concerns, it is also important that we know why our immune system weakens and how we can make it stronger. We have different kinds of viruses and infections everywhere, so we really want to lay down all the important information about having a strong immune system. Join me and Evan Brand in this podcast. More info below.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani
In this episode, we cover:
6:46 Glucose and Immune Function
11:43 Metabolic Side of Stress
18:38 Diets, Vitamins and Supplements
27:21 Flu Season
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here I’m with Evan Brand. Today we’re going to be chatting about blood sugar issues and the immune system. And of course, we’ll connect it to the corona virus here today as well. We want to make sense of why our immune system may be weak and how we can accelerate it and improve it. So we can deal with all kinds of different viruses and infections, including the corona virus. Evan, how are we doing today, man?
Evan Brand: Hey, I’m really excited to chat with you about this. We’ve been looking at several different charts and graphs, there’s just so much stuff to keep up with. There’s just so much data, they could even be overwhelming for us, you know, just because we’re looking at so many different numbers from so many different places. But one thing that’s consistent across the board is we’re seeing that people that have comorbidities are ending up in a more critical shape. So specifically diabetes is second on the list. Heart disease is first on the list. So that’s pretty interesting because diabetics are [inaudible] is in America, and arguably were one of the highest diabetes incidents of any country out there.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And there’s a phenomenon in our body that our immune system uses is called phagocytosis. And phagocytosis involves like our macrophages and monocytes gobbling up viruses. So imagine a PAC Man or a PAC woman, and they are literally just basically grabbing various bacteria and viruses. And it’s gobbling it up now, when it invalid. So basically, it gobbles up a virus imagination, meaning it’s like you taking food and you swallowing it, it’s now inside of your body and your body digest it, your immune cells to the same thing with viruses. And when you have high levels of insulin, insulin actually decreases that process. It’s kind of like if you’re nauseous or sick, you don’t want to be swallowing or eating food. Right. Therefore you can’t digest the food that you’re eating. Well, it’s kind of like that with your immune cells. When your immune cells have high levels of insulin, it’s going to be harder your immune cells will be nauseous to a lot of that bacteria and viruses and won’t be able to digest it and break it down. Now really important because that process requires that process is decreased when there’s high levels of insulin. Now, insulin helps blood sugar go into your cell. Why does insulin go high? Typically, there’s too much carbohydrates and or inflammation. Usually, it’s a combination of the two, of course, more carbohydrates and insulin to go up, the more refined and processed the carbohydrates are, and of course, more inflammatory that carbohydrates are. So some people may have a big insulin spike with grains because one grains will eventually break down to carbohydrate and glucose in your body, but also, the more inflammation the grains cause, especially if you’re gluten sensitive, that may create a cortisol spike and mobilize even more sugar, right so carbohydrates kind of bump up your sugar, but you’re immune response and inflammatory response to it can even increase it even more.
Evan Brand: So it sounds like there’s multiple mechanisms against you in this aspect. And so you really want to go lower carb right now it sounds like it’s just a smart, protective. I would just say anything you could do to lower risk right now it’s going to be smart. So that seems like one thing that’s pretty low hanging fruit 100%. They’ve been studies where they look at diabetic patients, and they actually lower their insulin levels, trying to see if I can find a good study on this. Yeah, here’s a wonderful study. Okay, here Well, I’m going to tell you why you’re pulling that up. I’m going to tell you what I saw over the weekend, which was a video from a doctor who had reported that out of I think it was 23 patients that were in his unit that were in really bad shape. 19 of those were confirmed diabetics. So 19 out of 23 that were in really bad shape, confirm diabetics. So, to me, that’s pretty telling and I’m sure there’s bigger numbers out there. That’s a pretty small patient group, but still still helpful to to have that data.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Let me go show you guys. So if you guys are listening on the podcast, we also have a YouTube version of this as well where you can see the actual video. So that’s important. So if you guys are driving, don’t worry, we’ll put the YouTube link down below. So if you want to watch the video you can, I’m going to share my screen Evan so you can see. So this is really interesting here. Let me just show you all this. So what they’re actually showing here is this. You can see here’s the ingestion rate, this is your your neutrophils and or your phagocytosis happening by your macrophages. So this is ingestion. So this is like your immune cells eating stuff. And this is blood glucose. So as you can see, as your blood glucose goes up, what’s happening to your white blood cells being able to eat these viruses and bacteria, it’s dropping. Do you see that trend there? So you can look here, let me just kind of draw it up for you guys so you guys can see it and it makes sense. I’m going to make sense of this all so you can see the general trend is this. It’s down. Now again, these are really high blood sugar range. Just 300 400 500 but you can see, even at 100, hundred and 10 that trend already starts. So let’s say your blood sugar only goes to here, like 151 60. Well, you’re still having a decreased immune function, right?
Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I’ve had instances where I’ve taken my blood glucose after doing like rice, for example, in the blood sugar can go up into that range for sure.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and the thing is, if you’re eating every four hours, or you’re drinking a lot of alcohol or soda, you’re constantly jacking your blood sugar up, right blood sugar is going up chronically, which is then driving your immune system down. And again, you have to be you know, kind of more in the diabetic range to get over in these levels. But it’s, you know, it’s not impossible for someone to go up to 151 6180 acutely after a meal. And then if you’re chronically consuming excess carbohydrates, refined sugar, processed grains, you can Keep your immune system your blood sugar a little bit low. And that could keep your immune system. You know, if you’re at this ingestion rate over here of let’s say 75 or 80, and you drop it down, let’s say to 65. Well, guess what? That’s like a 30% drop in your immune function that may be just enough to get you sick. Does that make sense?
Evan Brand: It does makes perfect sense. Well, of course, autoimmune to right, if you have some autoimmune diabetes stuff going on, I’m sure that’s gonna play into this. We’re talking just stuff that you could easily do and try to help support if you’re in the type two category, but type one would still apply.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, yep. And this is you know that a lot of different studies on this, that are looking at that or looking at glucose. In immune function. This is pretty common. So it’s really important to be able to know there’s a connection. And again, a lot of these studies connected to like diabetes or type two diabetes, which is fine, but there’s an in between area between having healthy glucose levels and being diabetic and alive. People are in this pre diabetic, whether we call it there’s starting to be this insulin resistance, it’s subclinical, it’s not at that 126 milligrams per dl of blood sugar, you may be just chronically above 101 10. And what does that mean? You may not have a 20 or 30 or 40% immune reduction, you may just have like a 10 or 20%. Right? And then that may be enough to get you sick.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that all counts, though, right? You may say, Oh, well, 10% reduction, but I want to do anything I can to to build myself up and reduce risk.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110%. So there’s a lot of studies on that, and I’ve talked about it. That’s why right now, if you’re worried about Oh, Corona virus and other viruses, right, you really want to have your blood sugar under control, so leaning more or lower carbohydrate will be helpful. Also a lot of the inflammatory films that are produced from the immune reaction, right so when your immune system goes to fight a virus or if I fight infection, it it produces these inflammatory Well, it produces cytokines to go after what’s happening, right? These cytokines create an immune response. And typically there may be lippo polysaccharides that are produced from the infection. And so what happens is these lipid polysaccharides also can create inflammation. And some of the byproducts of the inflammation that are produced are these things called inflamasames. They’re like inflammatory compounds. And what happens is these things inhibit nitric oxide and nitric oxide is really in it blocks nitric oxide and it suppresses certain toll like receptors so dark pigmented fruits and vegetables are gonna block the LPS are that bad bacterial toxin that activates a lot of those inflammatory so doing bioflavonoids elderberry. Lots of high quality fruit vegetables, especially lower sugar on the fruit ranks. We talked about how high sugar stuff can decrease your phagocytes right? So we want to make sure that We’re on top of that, and we can decrease a lot of that immune response. Right. So the more refined and processed your carbohydrates are, when you make a lot of these cytokines, it’s possible that your body is going to have a increase inflamasome activity, so we can really modulate it. So think of a lot of these compounds and bioflavonoids, we talk about, like adaptogens for our immune system, or adaptogens for our adrenals. This is like adaptogens for like the cytokine response in your body, which is really helpful.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and I don’t know how powerful that would be like eating a handful of blueberries, versus doing like Japanese knotweed or some of these other side of kind of herbs that we’ve discussed. But to me, it’s all on the table at this point.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep, exactly. I mean, you’re going to eat anyway, you’re not going to just you know, get your calories and your nutrition off of herbs, right. It’s not going to happen, but can you use good herbs and nutrients that are supplemental for the immune system along with you know, fresh blueberries or really good quality bioflavonoids that are going to be in your vegetables and low sugar fruit. Yeah, I think so. And then of course, leaning more on on the lower carbohydrate side and improving your ketone levels, because ketones one, they’re going to want to keep your immune system or they’re going to keep your you satiated. And to ketones don’t have an effect that I’m aware of clinically of decreasing an immune response. And actually, your body tends to increase ketones when you get sick. Let me let me walk you through that. So when you get sick, what tends to happen, you tend to get more nauseous, right? And then the nausea does what it prevents you from eating, right? And then what is the eating? Do you actually start going into what I call starvation, ketosis, meaning you’re not getting enough calories, but you’re also going into ketosis, too. Now, that may be more on the severe side, right? Because your body’s trying to one not worry about digesting food, it’s worrying about digesting bacteria and viruses. Now that’s more when you’re sick. But what about the in between? Can you start to push your body a little bit into here? ketosis so you’re starting to do some cellular autophagy and clean up some junk in your body. Yeah. And with the with the ketones be fueling the weakened immune response like sugar would know they won’t be they won’t be right. And we talk Sugar. Sugar is typically sucrose, what sucrose, usually it’s 50%, glucose and fructose or 55 45 of its high fructose corn syrup, 55, fructose 45, glucose. So all that gets broken down into the same thing.
Evan Brand: It’s a big metabolic stressors, the key point here and so any stress in the bucket, we’re trying to analyze those. So we’ve talked about immune stressors. We did a whole podcast on different herbs to try to help calm the nervous system, because that’s part of the stress. Now we’re talking about the metabolic side of stress. So really, I mean, if you think of this whole thing as a spiderweb if we look at someone who’s getting critically ill, we’re thinking they may have emotional stress in the bucket. They may have metabolic stress in the bucket. You know, the dietary stress, they may not be sleeping well because they’re up all night watching TV for example. So They’ve got that melatonin cortisol disruption, which is also very impactful on the immune system. Because we know Melatonin is a super powerful antioxidant. It’s one of the most powerful known to man, and produced by the body. So to me, if you’re trying to look at all the data and you’re thinking, Okay, what can I do? I think the wise decision is try to look at these puzzle pieces, look at the spiderweb and try to systematically approach each of these categories making sure you’re getting to bed on time, like I put my little girls down and I go to bed kind of early. I know I go to bed earlier than you Dr. J. I go to bed like 9:30 10 you know, at the latest, sometimes even nine o’clock and then the winter when it’s dark. I may even go to bed sooner than that. So So sleep is foundation one and then foundation to get into doubt delta and focusing on your good quality fats to stabilize that blood sugar will still do some carbs and starch right, like well, we’ll do rice maybe once a week. We’ll do some potatoes maybe once a week. But other than that, it’s mainly good meat. Good fat. That’s good veggies, nuts and seeds. And then the herbals, vitamin C is not an herbal but vitamin C, some extra vitamin D, that stuff is all being used now in New York, you and I were talking about that earlier before we hit record that they’re starting to implement some IV vitamin C into some of these critical care facilities, which I think is a very, very smart idea.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and also with the hydrochloric when alone protocol with the as the term is and the Z Pak, the doctors that are actually doing even better are adding about 230 milligrams of zinc to that protocol. And some that are even doing better also add in the vitamin C. So again, we always look at the immune function. Drugs are never essential to the immune system but nutrients are so that’s why leaning to extra zinc, or extra vitamin C, let’s say your diets great and you’re already getting a lot of those things. That’s awesome. But if you do get Exposure to something having more of those nutrients could help your immune system deal with that stress better, especially things like vitamin C, because there’s so much research on those at higher levels being very beneficial. And even if you were to get sick, your body’s gonna blow through those nutrients at a higher level. It’s just like, okay, now your drag race in your car, well, you’re gonna go through a lot more gasoline than you would if you were just driving normally, right? So you have to look at how you run in your body, if your body is already sick, or you’re under immune assault, right? You really got to bump it up even more so you can decrease exposure to the virus.
Evan Brand: Yeah, that makes sense. So, and someone who’s already stressed too, we know just by looking at organic acids testing. I mean, I would say 95% maybe your numbers a little different. 95% of people that we’re testing clinically are showing really low and a lot of nutrients. So amino acids, various nutrients, like vitamin C will show up low all the time. So to me, you may say that, Oh, this is extra supplementation. But to us, it’s kind of just baseline because so many people are deficient. So we’re actually implementing those already, even if this weren’t going on.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And I see a lot of doctors out there that are throwing a lot of doctors under the bus that are recommending immune nutrients and our immune support. But frankly, there’s two differences in care. There’s differences when we’re working with someone in care, and we’re testing certain nutrients and we’re being more specific, and creating a longer term plan. But then there’s even with patients a palliative approach where we may upregulate our immune system for an a more acute response, like if someone’s going to be having more stress or they’re going to be flying on an airplane, or they’re going to be around people that are potentially more sick. That’s a difference to the protocol, we’re going to be having more of a palliative immune boosting acute approach. This isn’t more of a long term program. It’s more of an acute response because your body may be under more stress right now. And it’s just trying to increase our terrain and our reserves, so we can deal with something more severe Specifically, so a lot of people get very dogmatic and want to nuance this and make it more difficult than it is. And of course, different people need different nutrients. But there’s also general approaches that we can use across the board to give ourselves a little bit more of a bump across, you know, the population without having to see each person as a patient test everyone.
Evan Brand: Right, right. I mean, my thought of it is kind of like a road trip, you’re not going to start a road trip with a quarter tank of gas. If you know you’ve got a journey ahead, you don’t really know how things are going to end up. Why are people close to you going to get affected or not? It’s going to be wise to go ahead and fill up the tank with nutrition now, even if you’re someone who has zero concern, zero fear, worst case scenario, you know, something did happen to you, but I think it would be wise to just it’s a prep, it’s sort of prepping your body prepping your immune system, prepping the metabolic system, prepping the nervous system. Like last week, we did a show all about that. different herbs that we love and use to help with the nervous system. All of it counts.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also, when You get exposed to put infection your needs go up. So ideally, you’re already nutritionally supported in a way where your vitamin A Levels are good, your sea levels are good, your D levels are good. So when an infection hits you, it literally bounces off you it can even gain a foothold into your body, right? We know the corona virus uses that h2 receptor site, and it gains a foothold in uses this like filament to drop off the RNA inside the cell. And then it replicates and then you have an immune response. But if we can even prevent that pesky little mosquito from from dipping its nose into that Ace to receptor site, then that prevents this whole issue from happening. So it’s keeping your immune it’s like kind of like, Hey, we’re going to replace the locks on our door. We’re going to maybe put a ring camera out there, you know, I may put an ADT sign or something to make people feel, you know, hey, we’re watching this, this receptor site this home a little bit better, and it may prevent someone from even accessing the home or the cell. Does that make sense?
Evan Brand: That’s a great analogy. I love it.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so there’s two ways to look at it. Hey, you get sick. How do we have a stronger immune response? But number two is how do we just prevent that invader from even opening the cell door to begin with? And so we kind of want to look at it from two sides of the coin if we can.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and of course you can’t sign in blood and say, hey, look, if you do all the right things, you’re going to have guaranteed protection but to me, it makes sense that you could reduce risk I mean, if we look at just try to comparatively look at vitamin D levels and the flu we know just by looking at the data you can see in general, lower vitamin D equals increased risk. So the data is there on this this is not stuff we’re just making up on the fly to sell some vitamin D you know it’s there.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep 100% and also, the patient’s got a road in here well what this fasting help well, depends. If you’re sick fasting can definitely help but we still want nutrition to come in. I would just lean in maybe on some collagen, amino acids smoothie, or maybe even just some bone broth or some gentle soup. Because when you when you are sick, your immune system just kind of doesn’t want to work as well because It’s mobilizing that energy right? When you eat food half of the energy that you take in goes to the digestion process. It’s kind of expensive. I use the analogy of using your credit card and having a 50% transaction fee on it. Hey, you buy $100 pair of shoes. Well you get a bill $50 after the fact right, that’s, that’s expensive. So if we can break everything down and make it easier on the tummy, or even go a little bit lower calorie for a day or two, but do it in response to your appetite dropping and nausea occurring if you’re not having a whole bunch of nausea or appetite drop, listen to your body, but you can always do a little bit of fasting. But try to make sure if you’re not nauseous to get enough nutrition, right extra nutrients, potassium, vitamin C, proteins, fats all that’s going to be great and if you start to feel your appetite going down, you can lean into a little bit more of a fast but you know still rely on easy to access nutrition from bone broth or collagen, amino acids or some simple smoothies.
Evan Brand: Yep, you said it best once on a call. Which was that? If you said there’s no nutrition and starving, so you kind of have to weigh that balance of potential benefits and things getting upregulated, maybe more ketone production, versus Hey, I’m just not having the blueberries and all the nutrition to me, I would still say go three meals a day, maybe you eat dinner at six, and you don’t eat breakfast till eight. You know, that’s a 14 hour fast. I mean, that’s plenty long enough at this point,
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly a lot. Now, again, the less sugar and carbohydrate you need, you actually need less B vitamins and less antioxidants because the more glucose and glycolysis that your body has to run, it actually requires more vitamins and more magnesium, so your nutritional needs will drop. But if you ain’t really getting enough of those nutrients in you’re still going to need some of them. Okay, so get to them. And there is important, a lot of the carnivore crew, they don’t get a lot of those nutrients. But if you’re carnivore, you’re also going to be leaning on lots of grass fed nutrients. And if you’re eating healthy, quality steaks, there’s a lot of biotech cumulated nutrition those animals are going to get from those plants. So it’s totally different if you’re eating animals that are all grain based versus ones that are more grass fed. So if you’re going to be leaning more on the keto or even carnivore side, just make sure that animal products are high quality.
Evan Brand: Yeah, one thing that some clients have said to me is that they, of course, they’re not glad that stuff is shut down in the city. But I have had some people tell me, Hey, now that I’m forced to cook meals at home, it’s actually allowing me to get into new paleo cookbooks that I’ve had sitting on the counter or try these new recipes for this grass fed steak or try, you know, cooking some brussel sprouts for the first time. So I want to try to, you know, put some positive light into this that people are with their families, hopefully at home, they’re eating more good quality food, you know, when everything is running, normally, people are running out and they just don’t think about it. I mean, even when I talk with William Shaw, you know, the head of Great Plains Lab, you know, here he is running a laboratory doing it. Vance testing, and I get him on the podcast. And I’m like, yeah, take us through your diet. He’s like, Oh, I eat out for lunch every day like no bill, don’t eat out for lunch every day. So I guess you could do Chipotle and other higher quality things. But in general, now people are cooking at home or so I’m hoping this is really encouraging people to, to focus on nutrition more. And I think it’s it’s been a real big wake up call for the general population that, hey, our health does matter. And we kind of waited for a crisis to focus on building ourselves up. But obviously, this is not the way I would want it to turn out. But it’s interesting now that people are wanting to wake up and think more about the choices they’re making on a daily basis, like, oh, maybe I don’t want that alcohol because I know that alcohol is not good for my immune system. You know, people are just starting to, to care more, which there’s got to be some good out of that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And then first thing is we talked about the immune system and cortisol and stress. So this video, we’re not going to go into the stats on what’s happening with Corona virus. I’ll do a video after this one where I go into the statistics of it. But let me just frame it a different way. All right? When it’s all said and done, the mortality rate of this infection is far below 1%. Number one, number 290 percent of people that get this infection are going to be asymptomatic. That means for every 10 people, or every one person that gets the infection, nine out of 10, minimum, maybe even higher. Doctor shots out of Ontario says maybe up to 20 people. So for every one person that gets it 19 to 20, are going to be asymptomatic as low as nine to 10 will be asymptomatic. That means your body got exposed to the virus, it’s maybe it’s having an immune response and you’re showing no symptoms. So in other words, there’s a 90 plus percent chance that you’re asymptomatic. And number two is, if you get sick, and you actually have symptoms, 80% of those symptoms are going to be very mild. So in other words, if you kind of look at the 90% chance, right and then you tail it with the 80 percent chance if you actually show symptoms, that’s a 98 to 99% chance that if you get this virus or get exposed to it, you’re going to virtually have very little problems addressing it, and you have a 90% chance that you won’t even know you got it. So that’s pretty awesome. So when you look at all the history and everything that’s happening on TV, you have to know those stats to begin with. And then the first thing I say is, am I doing more than 90% of the population? Or am I doing more than the 10% of the population that that’s really 10 or 20%. Out of that out of that population is getting sick? Am I doing more than 10 to 20% in regards to my immune system, and health, and I would say if you’re doing the right stuff, you’re going to be in that 99% category, for sure. Now, you’re going to see lots of anecdotes on TV of one offs of people getting sick. Number one, you don’t know their health history, too. You don’t know their diet. You don’t know what they eat. You don’t know if they have any other pre existing conditions. You don’t know any of that stuff. So the problem is, you’re not going to have access to a lot of it. And the majority of people are going to be 75. And often have multiple comorbidities like 99% of people in Italy had. So if you look at it, if I say, Oh my god, you have a 1% chance of dying, right? And you’re going to feel something. And if I say, My God, you have a 99% chance of not even having an issue at all, you also feel something with your body and your mind immune wise. So let’s flip it in our brain and look at it like from the 99% chance, and that’s not a 99% chance of living. That’s a 99% chance that if you get it, there’s no issue at all. It’s totally over your head. You don’t even know what’s going on.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and and we’ll wrap this up, because I don’t want to get too deep into this part, but I’ll do mine.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s very important, though.
Evan Brand: Yeah. Well, and yeah, and I agree with you, but what I’m going into is different and I don’t want to go off into a tailspin. But one thing that I’m noticing is that the media is focusing on Law on specific naming of people. So this celebrity has it that celebrity has it that celebrity has it. And it’s almost too, as if it’s to create, I don’t know, more fear because it’s like, oh, I know that person. They think they know that celebrity, if it’s patient 367 you’re kind of like, oh, man, that’s bad for them. But if you’re like, oh, Tom Hanks, it’s sort of, I think creates a more visceral response. But as you mentioned, Tom Hanks has diabetes. I just read an article this morning about Oh, yeah, having diabetes or being diabetic. I don’t know if he’s still fits the diagnosis or what but So, as you mentioned, just a minute ago, you lose sight of what else is going on with people. So it’s really easy to compare and think I’m a human, very human. But if they’re diabetic and their diets not good, and they’re traveling internationally, I mean, he was in like Australia, I think, you know, traveling. However many time zones to film for a movie, you can’t compare yourself and your situation to them and think that you’re just as vulnerable as them. It’s just not fair to yourself. It’s not fair to yourself to try to say, because that happened. That’ll happen to me. Because if you’re at home, you’re quarantine, you’re eating good food, you’ve got your nutrition on board, your your extra supplements on board to me. I would try not to worry unless there’s an urgent need to worry if that makes sense.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. And then, you know, like you mentioned, when you go into these one off kind of anecdotes, you lose perspective. And so like I always like to give perspective because it gives you a frame of reference to go back to. So this flu season right now. We’ve had 155 pediatric deaths due to flu. How many of these pediatric deaths have been, let’s say they did a a one off story on that person dying of flu, a 15 year old or a 13 year old or a 10 year old kid dying of flu, you don’t hear any of these things with the flu. All right, and that just tells you right now, if we’re comparing our apples to apples. There is an agenda by the media, to hyper focus on this and to hysteria is the issue. If there wasn’t an agenda, show me all the photo ops of all the other kids of flu dying, show me those stories, okay, they’re not there. And the reason why they’re not there is because people are trying to create a lot more fear in general a lot more fear and also decrease, you know, the relative risk on other conditions that happen all the time that we live with. And we’re very comfortable with it happening and we know what happens, right? And that’s the whole the pediatric fluids and it’s 155 dead so far this year.
Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s not good. It’s not good. I wish I could change things. But I guess all we can do is try to help provide just a little bit of a different perspective than just the headlines. And hopefully that can help people to just get through this and we’re all in it together. Unfortunately, everybody’s affected globally. You know, we’ve got clients all around the world, Justin, I work with people in Australia and Canada and Europe, and and it’s the Same there too. So it’s not just a US thing. Now at this point, you know, everybody’s involved. So we hope to just help everybody keep your heads up and keep pushing forward.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And also with the comparison, I don’t want to minimize any of the 155, the data flu, that are pediatrics that are kids that that’s already sad, but just know all the information we’re providing today is going to help you from all conditions. It’s not like, hey, this, this supplement is going to just help you for the corona virus of the flu virus, they’re going to improve your immune system, and your immune system will be so much more intelligent and strategic and dealing with all types of immune stressors. So keep that in the back of your head. We don’t want to make light of anything but at the same time we want to compare people’s responses and those responses reveal the the emotional overdrive to get you to feel something more about this versus that.
Evan Brand: Yeah, good point about the immune support right this this podcast will still apply a year from now even if nothing in the media is like this, this this applies all the time. So it Just becomes a little more important now that you focus on this stuff. So, you know, I’ve had some clients to reporting that their their stress eating. I mean, my wife went to Whole Foods and guess what all the cookies were sold out the graham crackers, the cookies, any kind of sweet stuff, you could still get bad food to Whole Foods, it was all sold out. So, you know, even if it’s a gluten free cookie that’s still is that blood sugar metabolic stress we talked about in the beginning. So I would say do the best you can to stay dialed in this is maybe you have a cookie as a treat, but you don’t want to go off the rails too much. Because remember that metabolic stress is immune stress and immune stress weakens you we don’t want that.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Were there any other questions? I’m sorry. You got any questions? I didn’t have them pulled up.
Yep, so in general a pull it up here. We want to be on top of our immune system. And we also talked about the reason why the fear is so important is because of the cortisol response, like you highlighted that those surges of cortisol will weaken our immune system. So the reason why I am so on top of it and you’re so on top of Because we want to have a strong immune system. And if we can reframe how things how information is exposed to us, like I mentioned, versus the 99% chance of there being no issue at all, even with the infection, then that gets us a lot more hope and that creates a different immune response.
Evan Brand: Yeah. And the cortisol affects the gut and the gut, a lot of the immune system exists or happens the immune system activity can happen from good gut health. So that’s why you don’t want that cortisol damaging that gut barrier. This why athletes after too hard of exercise and may have diarrhea, for example, you know that cortisol can be damaging on the gut.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yep. Exactly. And then I’ve Barb writes in about being worried about contacting her 95 year old mother, yeah, just remember, just say that six feet, you know, the corona virus doesn’t have wings, so it can’t fly. It’s an aerosolized droplet that has to make its way over there. So number one, if you’re afraid of being asymptomatic, you could always wear a mask which will decrease the spread out your mouth. For the most part, you’re only going to have a spread if you’re coughing, right, so if you’re not coughing, a man, you’re not actively sick, you’re more than likely fine, you just keep a six foot distance. And then just make sure if you’re going to interact with someone that could be immune compromised, make sure everything’s washed going in there, washed in between, don’t ever touch something. And then if you’re dealing with that person who’s who’s older, make sure they’re washing in between washing after you leave and, and maybe washing down any counters that you may be near as well. Right, but that’d be the biggest thing. And if you’re really concerned above and beyond worst case, you could you could wear a mask if you’re really concerned, but mask really gonna matter more if you’re healthcare people and you’re interacting with people more, or if you are actively coughing or have a cough that you may not be able to control, right. It’s like a cough sometimes or a sneeze, right? Sometimes that can be hard to control. So if you’re in that category where you feel like it could happen then mass may be smart if you have to interact with that person. But that six feet buffer zone will give you a lot of good things. window, I saw the data if you live in the same house as a person, you only have a 5% increased chance of contracting 5%. So it’s not that much more. And if you use good practices and you’re not sneezing, then it gets even better.
Evan Brand: Yeah, I would just say if you’re somebody who you’re having like tree pollen allergies, and everything’s blooming this time of the year right now, then, and you know, you’re going to be sneezing and you’re not sure if you’re a carrier, then yeah, I think that mass would be smart.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And ideally, if you if that’s the case, I just wouldn’t interact. That’d be even further, just to save that to until things pass. Yeah, yeah. I’ve been using a lot of Instacart for my groceries, and that’s been really helpful because they drop it off. And a couple things you can do is you can do some of the on guard, or feeds essential oil and you can dilute a little bit of that in water and just kind of spray everything. You know, they drop off your groceries, nothing’s really warm in there. You can, you can leave it in the sunlight for like an hour or two and the fresh air will typically kill any viruses as well. And a lot of times the instacart people one they’re wearing masks, and two the You’re actually wearing gloves. So they’re doing a pretty good job on their protocols for picking stuff up. Instacart is going to be a service, that they’ll do the grocery shopping for you. So they’re doing a pretty good job. But if you want to go the extra mile, that’s how you could do it on top of it, I just wouldn’t recommend leaving meats or butter or those kind of things out in the sun, obviously for you know, for common sense reasons. Right. So anything else you want to highlight, Evan?
Evan Brand: No, that’s it. Did you have any other questions that popped up that were relevant? If not, we’ll wrap it up.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I mean, it’s a lot of things we could talk about in regards to the immune system and what we could do nutritionally but we’ve done other podcasts on that. So I don’t want to be a broken record. So take a look. See, there’s other podcasts for the references on what to do to boost your immune system up. And we’ll try to put some links down below as well for y’all. All right, Evan, today was great. Hey, if you guys are having immune issues, or you want to be more on the preventative side, or you’re like, Hey, you know, I want to start getting my health better. Now what better what better time then everyone being at home and having a lot more time to start working on these things? So feel free head over to EvanBrand.com, reach out to Evan. And then Dr. J myself at JustinHealth.com, feel free, you can click and schedule we’re happy to help you all out. And again, especially during this time, you don’t have to drive to a doctor’s office that could be loaded with lots of you know, flu, other viruses. And this is a great way to start moving forward while you get time.
Evan Brand: Absolutely. We work hundred percent virtually we may not mention that every time but we assume most people figure that out by listening and looking on the website. But yeah, so we send labs to your door, you do those labs, UPS or FedEx picks those up and then returns and back to the lab and then we jump on a call Skype, FaceTime, Zoom, whatever, we then review those and then we make a protocol to get you feeling better. So that’s how we work and we’re very blessed and very grateful for the opportunity and the lab so far. I’ve been doing great with turnaround times. We haven’t seen any lag or delay. We’ve got nutrients that we have stocked up on Justin and I both personally so we’ve got supply which is good. A lot of places are sold out of stuff for immune. So luckily we kind of thought a little bit ahead of the game here.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and let us know what you’re doing. comments down below if you got the dreaded Corona let me know what you’re doing with it. If you got other infections right now or you’re feeling sick, let me know your experience, what’s working what’s not. And if you enjoyed this stuff, give us a thumbs up, give us a share, let your family and friends know we really appreciate it. We want to empower everyone here.
Evan Brand: Last note, I saw that one Chinese study that came out that 80% of people that tested positive It was a false positive. So that, that’s why the scratch my head.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I don’t love the idea of the testing because it’s gonna it’s gonna create more numbers and those more numbers are going to create more hysteria, more panic. And I always tell people more numbers actually mean that the virus is actually weaker, because that means the mortality rate actually drops right? But I don’t like the idea that there’s a false positive 50 to 80% of the time. So-
Evan Brand: That’s bad at a maximum 80% false positive. I mean, that is humongous. If we just deleted 80% from the numbers of the cases, I mean, that would that would be unbelievable how different it would look-
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then how I how I interpret, that’s a little bit different. How I interpreted is, if you’re around people that could be immunocompromised or are going to be older, go through the extra precautions, whether it’s you quarantine for them. Or you go through extra measures like washing hands, which you should be doing anyway. But maybe you maybe I do gloves, maybe you want to do a mass that you recycle, just to be extra careful, I’m fine with that. Just pretend like you already have it and more for the immunocompromised, more for the elderly. But get sunlight, get some fresh air. If you can leave your house and you’re not in like New York City where things are congested, go in your backyard, get some get some fresh air, get some walk, get some vitamin D, all that stuff’s gonna be great. Don’t be cooped up inside unless you’re of that population risk factor. And you’re in a part of the country where you have to be everyone’s gonna do better getting that fresh air and vitamin D.
Evan Brand: Yeah, and we’re running on your fires like always too. So this would be another good time. If you don’t have air purification, you are trapped inside. Air Purifiers are a good strategy. So we could put some links for that as well. We’ve got a couple of recommendations.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: In our budget and our air purifiers that we’re recommending will filter out viruses. So if you’re in that area and you’re in someone’s home, right crank up that air purifier. That way it’s gonna clean everything out and less chance of getting more exposure. But again, risk factors are going to be pretty low if you’re doing all the right things.
Evan Brand: Yep. All right, check out the websites if you need help once again, Dr. J. at JustinHealth.com, me at EvanBrand.com, we’ll be in touch. Well, take care.
Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent everyone. You guys have a good one. Stay safe. Peace. Bye bye.