How to Overcome the Flu! – Dr. J Live Podcast # 167

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand talk about ways on how to overcome the flu in today’s podcast. Learn about the different natural and healthier ways to support your immune system and combat the flu without turning to the flu vaccine and its unnecessary side effects.

Know about the importance of vitamin D in strengthening your immune response and find out about the negative contributions of sugar to your immune system. Also, gain additional knowledge about stress, autoimmunity, and IV therapy in relation to the flu. 

 

In this episode, we cover:

07:06          Natural ways to up regulate your immune system

11:07          Vitamin D effects on your immune system

14:03          Cons of Flu Vaccine

23:47          What sugar does to your immune system

28:08          IV therapy treatment

 

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live! Dr. J. in the house with Evan Brand. Evan how are we doing today, man?

Evan Brand: I’m feeling much better. You help me get through my weekends so I’m grateful for your help. Uh—we’re doing a podcast on this soon. I got my stool test results back. Will do a whole show on it likely. And I showed up with Cyclospora, SPP, which is a parasite infection and I also showed up with a bunch of other bacterial bugs. So it happens to the best of us and uh—luckily, Dr. J was there to help me through the weekend. I felt terrible. My head was killing me. My freakin’ blood pressure was going high. I was like, “Dude, help me out here.” And uh— luckily, you and I were able to implement some protocols and I’m feeling more sustainable today than I was.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Were you able to work in and be able to do a podcast and have some logical back-and-forth conversation, must be doing pretty good, for sure. Yeah, that’s good. So let’s kinda chat about it. I know number one; the first thing that happens is when you’re having a lot of diarrhea, right? That was the first thing that happened.

Evan Brand: Yep. So loose stool came up. That was first symptom.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Evan Brand: Thought it was completely unrelated, then went to sleep, woke up in the middle of the night with just a throbbing headache.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: And got up the next day and I thought, “You know what, something just doesn’t feel right.” I’m feeling a bit dizzy, just feeling out of it. Got the blood pressure cuff out, tested my blood pressure and it was above 140/100 at the time. I continued to track it a bit obsessively, but ended up maxing out in the 150’s with my blood pressure for my top number about 110 was the highest for the low number. I’m like, “Dude, at what point do you start worrying about major issues with blood pressure being that high.” And you’re just like, “Don’t worry too much about it.” So did a bunch of electrolytes, bunch of magnesium, bunch of vitamin C vitamin D, bunch of adaptogens, mushrooms, the whole 9 yards. Got it down I was able to finally go to sleep over the weekend. You know, getting the levels down to about 130 something, then during the day, blood pressure went right back up. So I started doing some more deep diving, which is the stuff I sent you in a text message about Cyclospora and turns out, basically, every symptom I had from headaches to nausea to just general G.I. upset/dizziness, it could all be tied into this—this parasite. So, now we have our answer and then I’ve got some herbs on order and uh—hopefully, gonna knock this thing out in a few weeks.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. So, off the bat, it sounds like you—you had the flu, some kind of a viral infection going on there. Now, leading up to it, right? Let’s kinda chat about some of the big stressors. Number one, you got a new puppy.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And now puppy is like can be harder than babies, right? So that was a major stressor that I think was you know, screwing up your sleeve. You had to wake up two- three times to take the—you take the puppy out to pee at 0° weather, right?

Evan Brand: I wish. I wish it was two or three times a night. It was like five or six. And it was like 0°F. I was up every hour and a half for a week out there in the freezing cold with the dog. And then the dog wants to play and it’s not playtime at 4 AM. So then you’re trying to get the dog back to sleep. That was a recipe for disaster like you— like you and I talked off air. No matter how many adaptogens I take, if you are—if you’re not sleeping, you can’t— you can’t replace that. There’s no pill for that— for sleep deprivation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. So, of course, you know we try to keep it simple. We go down to the diet and lifestyle simple things. So your diet, I imagine was pretty good. You weren’t cheating with a whole bunch alcohol during the stressful period. You weren’t consuming a whole bunch of junk food, right? You don’t—

Evan Brand: Yeah. I don’t drink alcohol so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So you have the major stressful event, which is just the sleep, like the six times a night. The freezing cold kinda temperature thing that kinda compromises your immune system. And we know that there is a massive flu going around you know, I think 36 different states have this flu infection and it’s you know, it’s everywhere and potentially you could interact with it. What it sounds like to me.

Evan Brand: I wonder if I did you know I guess it doesn’t matter at this point, but I tell you, based on the way I was feeling how they say a flu makes you feel like you got hit by a train.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: That’s how I felt. I wouldn’t be surprised if I picked it up. But I felt like my turnaround time was pretty quick. I mean, it was what? Maybe 48 hours or so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If you, I mean the thing is the benefit is you’re doing some of the Reishi mushroom supports. So I’m gonna take some Reishi right now. You were doing that during the whole treatment and before. And again, you were doing some adaptogens. I’m gonna take some adaptogens and some Reishi mushroom right now. And then we chatted— we just really up your dosage significantly. We get you a lot of sleep. One of the big things that I think is just incredibly underrated but really strong potent fresh juice ginger tea where you actually get the little ginger pieces. I call them cloves but ginger pieces. It’s like a clove size, like a garlic clove size. Two or three of those. You juice them, right? In like a Vitamix or actual juicer or ninja and blend them, right? You blend them. So if it’s a juicer, you juice it. If it’s a blender, you blend it. And then you can run it through like a coffee strainer or a coffee filter or French press. I like the French press, right? Add 12 ounces of hot water to it. Uhm—add a little bit limejuice, little bit of uhm—honey.  The honey really makes it palatable. If you don’t do a little bit of honey, it’s really spicy and really abrasive.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Honey makes it a little bit more soothing and makes it a little bit more softer on the mucosa of the throat and the tissue. And it has some great viral adhesion qualities of ginger really helps with antiviral. Ginger also helps the blood pressure. So I wouldn’t be surprised if you— we’re going back in time if we really hit the ginger out hard, that that would help with some your higher blood pressure issues. And we were really concerned about your blood pressure partly because you don’t have a cardiovascular history, you don’ have heart disease; you don’t have chronically high blood pressure. So we were just kinda postulating. The blood pressure probably because your sympathetic fight or flight nerves has activated inflammation coz of the virus. And you probably losing some electrolytes and minerals because of the diarrhea. So—

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Of course like more sea salt, more mineral, more electrolyte formulas, more bone broth. Get the extra minerals in your system that you’re losing and try to make the food easier to process and absorb if there’s some kind of a stomach virus that’s causing the loose stools.

Evan Brand: I’ve got something else cool to share too. Uh—you and I had chatted over the weekend about some literature on PharmaGABA.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: And hypertension and I ended up finding out 200 mg of PharmaGABA—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: ..was able to reduce blood pressure by about 15 points. So, I went from I guess it in the 150’s down to like a 130. Of course all the other stuff was a factor, too. Electrolytes etc. etc. but the PharmaGABA really, really turned off the fight or flight nervous system and all the sudden I felt much better. I feel like my head was being squeezed in a vice. I could feel the pressure of the relieving after 10 minutes chewing one of those up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. I mean that’s great. You can use things like that. That’s kinda like an artifact of the infection, right?

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: This blood pressure stuff and the head—that’s kinda like artifacts of it.  So, of course, you know, there’s couple of ways to look at it. Like there is immune support. We can talk about the various immune support. So in my Immuno Supreme, there’s a couple of things I put in there. Medicinal mushrooms, right? Reishi, Maitake, Shiitake Cordyceps. These are immune booster. It makes sure immune system is stronger, right? It help kill different things. There’s herbs like Astragalus and Echinacea and Golden seal, which up regulates certain natural killer cells and immune antibodies to help go after the infection. And then there’s things like ginger, which can actually hit on or you know, kind of start attacking the virus. We can increase things like Monolaurin, which digests the viral envelope, which then exposed—exposes the virus coz it’s glitz cloaked in this viral envelope that prevents the immune system from seeing it. So Monolaurin extract can help undo that cloaks. Now the immune system can see it. And we can also do things like silver. So like in my line, we use Monolaurin Supreme or Monolaurin Synergy. And that’s gonna help with the viral envelope. I put a little bit of Monolaurin in the Immuno supreme. We do the ginger, which really helps with the virus from sticking and then we do the silver as well which really helps attack on the virus as well as. So there’s things that we can do to attack the infection and there’s things we can do to up regulate the immune response.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I’m a fan of doing both. If we can hit it from both ends, that gives us the best chance of success.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I agree.  Plus fixing my sleep. You know, it was tough sleeping when your head feels like—once I’m able to sleep, I felt so much better the next day. And day time, you know symptoms would come back only really had the loose stool that one day, though, just the first day. It didn’t happen again, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So it was just like a one—a one time deal. And we chatted about it, too. You know, I said, “Hey, this may be a good time for you to use the Ibuprofen because you’re doing all the natural stuff and again, I don’t think you did ginger at the time.

Evan Brand: No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The ginger may have helped with the headache. Maybe that would’ve helped. But if you’re doing all this stuff and the headache is preventing you from sleeping, in my opinion, you’re better off getting the headache suppressed so you could sleep.

Evan Brand: You know what I did? I forgot to tell you the help was the Bragg’s Apple cider vinegar drink.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: The Apple Cinnamon one, it’s got like 8 g of sugar, but at that point—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: I didn’t care. I was like, “You know what, I need some cinnamon.” My blood sugar is off. My appetite wasn’t as good. I could use the— the blood sugar help with the chromium and the cinnamon there plus the Apple Cider vinegar. I felt probably 10% better just based on those.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. So, you know, there’s a couple different things you can do there. So, of course, that’s gonna be helpful in general keeping the sugar down. I mean if you do a little bit of uhm— carbohydrate maybe that’s in the honey that you put in the ginger tea, I’m okay with that. If you’re using a really good quality honey, there’s gonna be some immune benefits from the Propolis and the bee pollen in the honey. So I’m okay with that.  So, in general, right? Like we crossed off all these things that we were doing and maybe if we added the ginger earlier, maybe the headache would’ve gotten better. But, in general, like if you’re in that crossroads if we— sleep is so important that if we have to use a pharmaceutical or over-the-counter thing to get you to sleep, I’m okay with it in the shortest term possible.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I ended up—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It really maximize all the natural stuff first. Cross everything off your list first, though.

Evan Brand: I may have considered it. I didn’t even have any luckily. I mean I just—I don’t stock Ibuprofen at the house so I couldn’t go to it. But luckily, once I just quadrupled the magnesium, it let up enough where I could sleep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And again, like for me, same thing. Like I may use ibuprofen once a year because I maybe consume too much alcohol one night, which I very rarely drink. But I find that if I’m going to consume alcohol, guess what I do now? I do more detoxifying herbs and amino acids for glutathione and then charcoal. If I do that and maybe some vitamin C, I can probably have a couple extra drinks and be fine in the morning coz I’m detoxifying and binding up a lot of the toxins. Plus, I just choose cleaner alcohol versions. You know, a dryer champagne, a dryer Prosecco, uh—clean alcohol version. Not any gluten-free, crappy, sugary drinks.

Evan Brand: Let’s chat about Vitamin D, too. Can we hit on this? Because vitamin D— there’s some literature now that showing that vitamin D is more effective than—than the flu vaccine and many people, I mean what? 90 percent of people are too low with vitamin D and then the cold and the flu when does it happen? January— in the middle of that the dead of winter when everybody’s vitamin D production is minimal because they’re covered up and the sun’s not over here on the northern hemisphere.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. So there’s a combination. Number one that is a lot of holidays around wintertime. Thanksgiving, New Year’s, Christmas. So people are consuming a lot of sugary crap, right? Which also includes more alcohol, too. Uhm—there may be more stress because you’re traveling right? You’re in this like going to the airport, there are lots people, you’re in a plane, which is basically a recycle tube of oxygen for 3 to 5 hours, right? So all of those things compound and make your immune system more stressed. And then you have the bigger stress, which I think is the lack of vitamin D. And vitamin D is so important because when you have adequate vitamin D levels, you increase this antimicrobial enzyme or peptide called that k__ And that’s like a natural antibiotic. And that can really help digest uhm— bacteria in your body that may be you know like a staph or strap or a pneumococcal infection in the –in the making.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I took 10,000. I’m sure I could’ve done more but I didn’t want to take all of uh— my wife’s supply. She has her little cute pillbox organizer with all the vitamin D laid out. And I was like uh, “I’m gonna just steal your vitamin D for a few days.” And so I was doing 10,000 a day uh— for what was it? Two or three days and I think that probably move the needle little bit.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Smart. Typically, what I’ll do is I’ll do uhm—vitamin D, a 100,000 IUs and will do that for three days straight. And then will drop down to 10 to 20,000.

Evan Brand: Wow.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You really want to do it like super high for full days to really get the immune system up regulated.

Evan Brand: That’s crazy. So I could have__ then just fine then.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. I mean you’re gonna make just in sunlight, you know, getting a full minimal erythemal dose, you’re gonna get about 20,000 in the sun anyway.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, I’m okay with that for a short period of time, for sure.

Evan Brand: Are you a bigger fan of going with uh— capsule or you like in the— the drops? like some of the emulsion drops that we can use?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I have an Emulsi D Synergy that I use. It’s great. Uhm—that’s  helpful or you do some capsules, too. But I’ll typically do the drops coz I can just knock it down, throw it in a drink and can be done with it.

Evan Brand: Yup. Cool. Well said. Do we hit on Zinc at all?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Zinc is great. I mean 30 mg a day is excellent. You can do it in a l__ form. Can be very helpful for the throat. And again, we did like uh—an immune boosting podcast recently. We’re just trying to really take this one, this podcast and focus it more on the flu. And again, there’s flu vaccines that are out there. Not a big fan of the flu vaccine because number one, they’re basing it off of the flu that was in Asia the previous season. And 70 to 80% of time, it can be wrong. And number two uh— flu vaccines and tools they have mercury in it, which is not good for your immune system. And it’s a live virus a lot of times. You have to go look at some of the most are live viruses that you can actually give someone the flu if you just got the vaccine. And if you look at some of the side effects of the flu vaccine, again, you have to go to your local pharmacy asked the flu vaccine insert. I’ve done this. Go read the side effects of the flu vaccine. Side effects of the flu vaccine are actually the flu. They will not call it that, but they will say headaches, fever, chills, fatigue, you know, lethargy, right? They’ll say all of the symptoms that—

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What we classify as the flu, right? So the vaccine can actually give you the flu. And then number two is uhm—Coker database is pretty clear that a majority of flu-like symptoms aren’t from the flu. They are from other types of viruses—adenovirus, rhinovirus, paramyxovirus. These types of things that are out there. So the question is the flu vaccine is only going to help you 10 to 20% time for that flu virus but the things that we’re talking about are gonna up regulate your immune support for all viruses. And that’s why the natural way, in my opinion, is so much better.

Evan Brand: It is better. It’s not even an opinion. It’s a fact. I mean, look, here’s a piece of literature right here from the CDC this year. This article was the December 29 and it states that this year and I think it’s probably all years, but they’re saying their flu vaccine is anywhere from 10% to a maximum of 30% effective.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.

Evan Brand: 10-20%? That’s terrible.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s awful. I mean the placebo effect is 20% effective. So, basically, you know, the flu vaccine is in the same realm of effectiveness as a placebo.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’re gonna get a little bit of mercury in there.

Evan Brand: Why, though, when you go to like Whole Foods or maybe not Whole Foods but some of these other local groceries, it’s like, “Oh, we’re gonna donate of a meal to a child in need if you get a flu vaccine or we give you like a gift card.” It’s like are they just making that much money on flu vaccines? I don’t understand.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I mean, they’re highly government-subsidized, right? So they’ve already, you know, people already bought these things so there’s an incentive to unload it, right?

Evan Brand: Uhh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s really the big thing. Yeah. I mean they’re subsidizing. That’s part of the reason they’ve got to unload them. So they’re doing everything they can in the power to unload them. And again, the issue really is, let’s say the flu vaccine is 100% effective. Let’s pretend it’s not 20% effective. Let’s pretend it’s a hundred percent. I already mentioned that other symptoms that are out there aren’t even flu- based, right? 80+ percent aren’t flu based like I mentioned. So even if that vaccine’s a 100% effective, there’s still 80 to 90% chance that your issue isn’t even flu-based. And that’s really the key point coz we want to really work on up regulating the immune system making it stronger.

Evan Brand: Yeah. The immune system’s—It’s this time of the year plus the sugar like you mentioned, the travel, the time zone stressors. It could be flu, but it could be flu plus Streptococcus and Staphylococcus and Pseudomonas and Cyclospora like me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Evan Brand: And everything else.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. And also, the other component is uhm—timing. So if you have all the stress going on, let’s say you wait like a day or two to start hitting on your immune support that can make all the difference in the world. So like, imagine, like something happens, like you don’t wait for like the infantry to come in like two days later, right? You get the Navy SEALs, you get the Delta force, you get the Army Rangers in there now to surveil and start coming up with a plan. You don’t wait and hold back for a couple of days. Same thing with your immune response is you really want to get the—you know, the A-Team out there right away and that’s why getting the immune supported within a few hours is important. So I recommend everyone have, you know, at least one or two, maybe three things on hand that you can really hit. So like for me, Immuno Supreme. That’s kinda like medicinal mushrooms, little bit of Monolaurin, some Echinacea, some Goldenseal, a little bit of Astragalus, little bit of Elderberry. That’s kinda like my multi-tasker right there. And again, you can find a link down the show notes, justinhealth.com/shopimmune support Number two, you can do something simple like either a vitamin D or a vitamin C. Vitamin D, hundred thousand IUs for three days and then bring it back down to 10 to 20. Uh—number three, vitamin C. Allison asks, “How much vitamin C during the flu?” I would go up to about 8 to 10,000 g, I’m—8 to 10— 8 to 10 g a day, 8 to 10,000 mg a day. And probably be right around bowel tolerance. And if you hit bowel tolerance, where you have at least two stools, back off a bit. So we have the Immuno Supreme, we have vitamin C, we have vitamin D, and then, of course, something at home we can do the ginger tea. So we’re gonna actually juice pieces of the ginger 2 to 3 ounces of ginger juice. Add some hot water 10 to 12 ounces. Add a little bit of honey teaspoon to a tablespoon and a little bit of limejuice. And that will be a great first step. Sip that throughout the entire day. And I think that’s a great first step. And if you want to be like an extra good student, you know, you can do some additional Reishi mushroom by itself. Uhm—you can do silver by itself. And that’s I think it’s a really good starting point. I—I even go little bit more. I’ll even do Astragalus by itself, too. That makes a really good starting point in like, you know, I was maybe down for the count for day and a half to two days but I was still able to work 10 hour a day, see patients, do my thing at home, cook, do all my stuff and I was still able to function even though I was starting to feel it because I hit it hard. Day and a half- two days later, a hundred percent gone.

Evan Brand: Yup. That’s the goal. And obviously, the functional medicine testing is important, too, because if you feel like crap, you’ve got to figure out, “Okay, what are the biomarkers that are going on that allowed me to get to this level?” Yeah. It could just been a fluke. Something you pick up and then it’s gone.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: You don’t have to worry about it. But, you know, the G.I. map that we both use has been upgraded. So now we’re able to test for other things. So, we’re able to actually test for things like Epstein-Barr now on the stool panel, which is cool and worms.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: We’re seeing hookworms and thread worms and these parasitic pathogens, the H. pylori piece, bacterial overgrowth, fungus, Candida. We’ll look at the immune system, gluten antibodies to see if you’ve been cheating. I mean, there is so much available on the testing that if you get sick, consider that your— your time. Okay, now I need to go run an OAT test as well and go look at my nutritional markers. How’s my mitochondria? How does my B vitamins look? How is my liver detox function?  That’s the excuse that you may need to get yourself tested. So if you’re trying to do self-treat, you’ve got that medicine cabinets. It’s full  or you’ve got that supplement graveyard, you can whittle that down to just the foundations like Justin and I’ve done. We’ve got just the key component. But that’s because it’s based on labs. It’s not just guessing and checking. So you always wanna make sure that you guys know you have to get to that next step. I know what’s going on. I knew that I had the Cyclospora plus the stress. It filled up my bucket. And my bucket overflowed and now I’m draining that bucket with your help. And now I’m sleeping better and uh— my stress load has gone down significantly. So now I’m able to—to come out of it, but as you see, if the stress doesn’t go and I’m still not sleeping and I’m still stressed and other things are my bucket, I won’t get well. But I saw it coming, the train hit me, I called you, you help me through it. I made it out. Now the train’s gone. The train is leaving the station  and I’m—I’m coming back to normal.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Hey, we’re able to have a high-level conversation. You are able to see patients today. You are able to do uh—you know, all the work you got to do. So that’s phenomenal if you can function that level. And I get people on the Facebook live. Again, we only can do this conversation two way on YouTube, right? We have to choose your media, Facebook or YouTube. We like YouTube better. So feel free, uhm—if you’re on Facebook, you know, go to the YouTube channel— justinhealth.com/YouTube Y-O-U-T-U-B-E subscribe. Hit the bell and you can watch the whole back and forth conversation with it. I’ll put a link in the show notes description on Facebook afterwards. So you can subscribe at Justinhealth.com/YouTube subscribe. Hit the bell. Pound that bell so you get the notifications and then you can watch this conversation and you can ask questions as well.

Evan Brand: I think were done. I think we can wrap this one up. If you want to reach out for help, get a consult with Justin or myself. You can look us up. Justinhealth.com that’s for Justin. You can check out the store, too. We’ve got some cool herbs on there. Myself, Evanbrand.com and look us up. Stalk us. Study our content. We’ve got hundreds of hours of other free stuff so go study and become the smartest person in your family so that you can help them when they’re down and out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna  drop a couple more knowledge bombs but as a little collateral here, I’m asking everyone listening now smash the bell because the bell is what’s gonna tell you when we come up again. And were gonna try to consistently be on Mondays and then Fridays I’ll do live FAQ’s. I’ll try to give like a 24-hour note on this. But if you smash that bell, that’s gonna help you to know when we’re going live so you can get your questions answered. Number two, give us a thumbs up and the share right now so more people can get access to this information. By you sharing, your helping other people get healthier, which is going to be better for everyone.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: My philosophy is anytime your healthier, you’re a better employee you’re a better CEO, you’re a better mom, you’re a better dad, you’re a better parent, you’re a better neighbor, you’re a better everything to everyone when you’re healthy. So this is kinda how we ask that you help us get you healthy. And outside of that, uhm—phenomenal. So outside of that, also, sugar is a big one. We already talked about it before. Sugar is going to decrease your phagocytic activity. So phagocytes are these little Pac-Man that go around in the bloodstream and try to gobble up bacteria. When I was coming back from Kansas City, it was January 3rd, I overcome my infection. I was like sick for a day or two, I knocked it out. I was like feeling it. I was like getting better and getting better, getting better. Uhm— sleep was good. Number one key is for three days after you start feeling good, continue with immune support like you’re sick. That’s number one. Number two, be very careful of alcohol. I was on the plane Southwest gave me these like free drink cards and they have really nice sparkling wine in the menus like a Cava, you know, it was like a dry one, like, “This is great.” I love sparkling wine like the holidays are coming over, let me have a glass of champagne on the airplane.” Have a nice little glass and the throat issue just started coming back.

Evan Brand: Oh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And at 9 o’clock, I juiced some ginger, I hit hard. I hit the immune support. I hit ginger the next two days. Gone. So it—it kinda like creep up a little bit, but I went and pounded it down by doing all those things that I practice.  So just to keep that in the back of your mind if you feel that.

Evan Brand: It’s like, “Hey, don’t be doing that yet. We’re not ready for that yet, Justin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Exactly.  So I think some of the alcohol or maybe some of the carbohydrate just started weakening my immune system. And whatever like little virus or a bacterial critter that was in there, it was to peek his head back up.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We showed him who’s boss, so—

Evan Brand: Nice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, anything else you want to mention here, Evan?
Evan Brand: I don’t think so. Just make sure that you’re asking these questions. You know, your— your symptoms are not a deficiency of antibiotics or steroids or whatever other ace—ace inhibitors and all these other drugs that I mean think about it, if I would’ve ended up going to a conventional Doc for my blood pressure, I mean, just based on one high reading, they’re likely to throw you on some type of a blood pressure medication. And we know the side effects of those are just huge. So, I mean, really just trying to take a deep dive into the natural perspective first. It’s much easier to pull somebody from sickness if they’re not already on 10 or 15 drugs. If you’re already that deep into conventional medicine, you’ve already been on acid blockers and steroids and antibiotics. I mean it’s like, “Oh, good Lord!” It’s just—it’s extra work. We can do it, but man, natural medicine is superior for these type of issues.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% I got a couple more questions. Let’s hit them real quick. “So after the flu, I really have sugar cravings. What’s causing this?” Well, number one, it depends, right? If you took in antibiotics that could be a yeast overgrowth that’s happening. So, did you take antibiotics? yes or no? Number two, typically, when you get sick, you to tend to lose a lot of weight coz you have no appetite. So if you’re throwing up, you’re easily nauseous, you may have the under eating, so your body is craving a lot of nutrition. So you gotta get back in the swing of good proteins, good fats, extra bone broth, minerals, tea to kinda get things going. And then get the blood sugar stability back on track.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Next, just stress in general make anyone more susceptible to infections or some people just more vulnerable to others. Uh, Robert, in general, yes. Stress will make you more susceptible because high levels of cortisol, right, will suppress your immune system. And “Is ginger tea safe to drink every day?” Yes I’ve no problem drinking ginger every day. It’s a tonic, really good. If you look at uhm—a lot of Chinese restaurants or Asian restaurants that serve like sushi, they typically always have a little bit the ginger on the side. Why? Because it helps with digestion. And it’s also anti-parasitic as well. And “What would you do if you’re already dealing with an autoimmune disease?” Well, you know, get rid of the infection, right? Support the infection but then you gotta get to work and reach out to someone, Evan and myself to get to work on the underlying autoimmune disease, body systems that are not working and the underlying stressors above that.

Evan Brand: Yeah. There’s probably other stuff going on outside of that. It could be co-infections, could be bacteria, yeast, fungus, parasite, H. pylori. All that stuff in your bucket. The leaky gut situation has to happen for autoimmune disease to be present. So if there’s still gluten or some other food trigger, you gotta address all those. I mean obviously, yeah you knockdown the flu, but you still got other work to do. So, yeah, functional medicine guy’s important.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And also, Xander writes about the IV therapy and the cocktails. Yeah, IV therapy, I think can be great like if you’re sick, like there’s an acute like one-day thing, especially if you have loose stools, or Myer’s cocktail or a nice vitamin C drip, I think can be helpful acutely. Problem is, it’s not sustainable longer-term. You know, if you’re paying 50 or 80 or a hundred dollars an IV and your sick, you need it every day. May not be the most cost-effective way, but I think if you know, it’s a one-day kind of acute thing, is it totally okay? Yeah. I much rather see you run to your natural path and get an IV then run to your ER and have them put in antibiotics. Especially most of the time, if it’s a virus, you’re just destroying your gut for no reason. If it’s a virus infection and they’re giving you antibiotic, and most times, they don’t culture it. So they’re not gonna run a culture.  They’re not gonna even see if it is. They may just diagnose off of symptoms. And there’s some overlap between virus and bacteria where it may be hard to know the difference.

Evan Brand: Sure are. And it’s not gonna do nothing but give you potentially fungus and yeast to come right back with a vengeance. And you got more stuff to work on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yup.

Evan Brand: You’re creating more work for yourself if you do that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then Matt talks about DXM. I think the one deficit is the herbal extract, but it helps with mucus. It helps kind of decrease mucus. Matt was mentioning that it’s a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Uhm— so regarding “Would 5- HTP be dangerous?” I mean, in the short run, uhm— I wouldn’t worry about it. Again, I typically only recommend things like Mucinex or the Guaifenesin extract if the cough is keeping you up at night. Like if you’re coughing all night and you can’t go to sleep, you’re kinda in between a rock and a hard place. Coz we know how important the sleep is for the immune system. So I would use an herbal extract or I would use a Mucinex product uhm—or is the one that I used by another company called Mucopect, which is phenomenal. It just has the herb without all the dyes and colors and crap in it. Coz that can decrease the mucus. But again, the body is trying to use the mucus to kind of like flush out, you know, the viral adhesions. So I will just use more ginger tea and natural toxins, you’re anti-toxins that kinda can help with the cough reduction. Uhm— but again, if you’re sleep is being impaired, you got to get the sleep on track. And I would err on the side of using those if the sleep is being impaired.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Anything else you wanna add, Evan?

Evan Brand: I think that’s it. I’m sure I could keep blabbing, but I think we killed it at this point and uh—I think we should wrap it up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. I’ll see you this coming Friday for my live FAQ. So be there, be square. And give us a share and a like and smash that bell right now. Appreciate everyone’s time. Have a great week.

Evan Brand: Take Care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks. Bye, Evan.

Evan Brand: Bye.

 


REFERENCES:

Immuno Supreme

Monolaurin Synergy

Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar

Emulsi D Supreme

PharmaGABA

How To Boost your Immune System So You Don’t Get Sick – Dr. J Live Podcast #163

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand talk about immune health, which is such a relevant topic this flu season. Learn how sugar contributes to a weakened immune system and find out why vitamin D is important in supporting one’s immune system.

Discover some of the natural herbs and supplements to boost your immune system. And gain valuable information on topics like root canal, Raynaud’s phenomenon and glutathione in connection with your immune system.

In this episode, we cover:

02:13   Sugar and the Immune System

11:30   Glutathione IV

16:34   Supplements to boost Immune System

18:30   Raynaud’s Phenomenon

19:24   Root Canal

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Dr. J is here. Evan, what’s going on, man? How was your weekend?

Evan Brand: Weekend was good as always. Hannah, my wife, showed me a picture. You are out there a waterskiing. She said like, “Is he freezing?” I said, “I don’t know. I have to ask him.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, man. It was phenomenal. I mean it was like maybe 65 minutes cold when you’re in colder water and you come up and the air hits it. But I had like a 3 to 4 mm uh— wetsuit and I am getting or I should say waterproof gloves and socks for next week. But I plan on waterskiing every weekend of the year that I’m here in Austin—So that is—January as well.

Evan Brand: That’s impressive. Who drives your boat?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh—I get one of my—my buddy here in Austin as well. He skis as well. So we both kinda just take turns.

Evan Brand: Uhh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: He’ll drive, I pull him and vice versa.

Evan Brand: That’s a lot of fun.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Well, we’re proud of you for getting out there and practicing what you preach. Getting sunshine, getting movement, getting immersed in the elements of the earth and water and sunshine. That’s great.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Totally. And also, you get the cold water thermogenesis going, which has some really good health benefits activating that good brown fat really up regulates metabolism, uh— lot of good HPA axis stimulation when you’re exposed to cold like that. So that’s pretty cool.

Evan Brand: Awesome. Awesome.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Awesome.

Evan Brand: We’re gonna chat about uh— immune health, immune function. Know, this time of the year everybody starts coughing and getting sick. It makes you paranoid makes you want to wear a mask everywhere you go, uh— which I don’t do, but I want to stay healthy. I don’t want to get sick, so that’s a big topic that we can hit on. Oh, look! Look! Speaking of—Samuel just commented. He just got over the flu. So there we go.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Look at that. Exactly. Exactly. So, I got an article we’ll talk about here today. It’s called, “What to what to do when you get sick?” Part one and part two. So if you go to my page here, you can grab that link by putting the— you know, what to do when you get sick in the search bar. We’ll put links, too, below these in the podcast as well as the YouTube videos, so you can access any of the things any supplements or any products or any of the material. Uh— really easy access for you. So, we’ll make sure that’s put in the reference section down below.

Evan Brand: Alright. So, I think we should hit the food sensitivity immune piece. I feel like a lot of people, if we use the immune system bucket analogy, a lot of people have their bucket full already due to food sensitivity. So do you want to open up the conversation on it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. One of the big things is glucose and vitamin C that they look very, very similar to the body. So when you take excess amounts of sugar, especially refined sugar and you increase your blood sugar, uh— that can actually have a effects on decreasing vitamin C absorption or decreasing vitamin C activation. So, vitamin C binds to receptor sites on the macrophage and helps with uhm— you know, the stress of dealing with infections or you’re—you’re basically little pacmen and women gobbling up crap inside your blood stream. And vitamin C’s important. And if you have a lot of sugar in there, that’s gonna impede vitamin C from doing its thing. And sugar also has effects in suppressing the immune system, where they looked at vitamin C absorption or vitamin C activation over time period and you can see that you have significant immune decrease when you’re consuming refined sugar especially excess amounts refined sugar. And don’t forget, refined carbohydrates or more starchier carbs can convert to sugar. So if you were more in the insulin resistance side, that can—even—too much starch can really throw you off, for sure.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Now, what about the testing aspect of immune health? I mean, you’ve got your conventional doctors where they’ll run things like your white blood cells, where we can see things that get affected. If someone’s have like a chronic of virus or something that’s affecting their immune system, we’ll see like the white blood cell count drop. Uh— what else could we see conventionally? Would— would like the DHS ERP? Would that be valuable as uh— immune markers? Is that just gonna be completely and another ball field due to due to its inflammation?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So if we’re talking like an acute like winter flu kind of thing, you really don’t have time to do a lot of testing. I find that the faster you act on whatever is going on, the greater chance you have of reducing getting sick. So, of course, we have the diet and lifestyle components, right? We have get more sleep. Your immune system sucks up a ton of energy. So when you’re trying to kill a bacteria or virus, you really want to make sure your immune system has extra reserves. So get more sleep coz you’ll be more tired. Number two, decrease the refined sugar and excess carbohydrates from your diet, especially grains and refined sugar and alcohol, right? Uh— number three, I would say once we have the stress and the sleep and the diet on board which is kinda like everything, we would then move towards supplements. And of course, we have one our favorite things is medicinal mushrooms. So I am a big fan of Reishi or Cordyceps. You could even to Chaga as well. Doing these at 1 to 2 caps per hour too is a phenomenal way to boost up and up regulate your immune system.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I take mushrooms pretty much every day. I’ve been doing the uhh—an adrenal tincture. That’s Ashwaganda, Reishi, it’s got Chaga, Cordyceps. I basically take all of it together. I wanted to hit on the piece of vitamin D. Many people get their vitamin D check with their conventional docs and their levels are at 20 or 30 and that is just not high enough. And we had a question here from Prince about vitamin D from eggs and fish. “Is that enough or do we need to supplement?” Oh, no, he didn’t ask that. He said, “Do we need exposure to sunlight?” Yes, of course. If you can get exposure to sunlight, that’s great. But you know, there is such thing as a vitamin D winter. So if you’re at a northern latitude like in the Pittsburgh, you’re not get much vitamin D from the sun. So, maybe an hour a day. So, a lot of times it does take supplementation. Dr. Mercola, he prides himself on not having to supplement with vitamin D, but he lives on the beach in southern Florida. And he is out for three hours a day walking on the beach almost naked. So, he’s one exception, where he can omit supplementation. But for most of us, you know, that’s what it’s gonna take to get us into the optimal level. We know when we’re talking about flus and colds and all that, vitamin D is not at the optimal range. That can be a huge factor.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, 100%. A hundred percent. So, off the bat, there is a couple things here. So we talked about vitamin D makes a big difference. Uh— one of the things we do is we’ll do vitamin D hundred thousand IUs which is a lot of vitamin D for three days. That really up regulates your immune system and up regulates these antimicrobial enzymes call cathelicidin. And they gobble up bacteria. So, high-dose vitamin D is one thing I do. We’ll do the medicinal mushrooms called Reishi. You know, Reishi or Cordyceps. I created—I formulated a blend called Immuno Supreme. And that’s a good blend of that has got Monolaurin in there. I have a Monolaurin Supreme as well you can use by itself. Monolaurin is nice because it can gobble up virus, digest the viral envelope. It’s kind of like uhm— viruses use the viral envelope, so the immune system can’t see them. It’s kinda like Harry Potter when he puts on the invisibility cloak. No one can see him, but when it’s off, you can see him. Well, same kind of thing with your immune system. Viruses have their own invisibility cloak. And the Monolaurin helps break it down. We’ll add in the Reishi or the medicinal mushrooms like the Reishi, the Cordyceps, or the Chaga, right? Those are super, super helpful. They get the immune system up regulated. I talked about the vitamin D hundred thousand IUs. I also make note of the vitamin C. We’ll get the vitamin C are pretty high as well, maybe 8000 mg 9000 mg which is equal to eight or 9 g daily. You know, just below bowel tolerance.

Evan Brand: So the Monoluarin, would you use that more like a spot treatment if something comes up? Or are you saying you may even do that throughout a winter season?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great question. So, off the bat, let’s kinda like break things down into symptoms or let’s just kinda give you like a general scenario. So, this morning, I woke up, my throat’s a little bit dry. So, my wife had the heat on a little bit higher in the house. Sometimes the heat could do it. So I’m kinda like, I’m on high alert. So, of course, I am smashing my adaptogens, right? I’m hitting up a lot of Ahswaganda right now. And I’m gonna go crush some vitamin D a bit.  And I’m also gonna go juice some fresh ginger. I’m also drinking some apple cider vinegar drinks. I kinda do some apple vinegar shots throughout the day coz that really grabs a lot of the mucus off the back of my throat, which is helpful. I’m gonna go make some fresh ginger tea. Ginger shown to have positive effects at knocking down biofilms and it has effects at preventing viruses from heating or adhesing onto the various cell walls. So keeps the viruses from sticking, so to speak. And it really helps the immune system against viral activation and it helps the lymphatics. So, keeps things moving, better lymphatics is gonna help my macrophages, you know, the little Pac-Man or woman of your body, gobbling up crap, right? So that’s helpful. So doing those things— the Apple cider vinegar, uhmm— the ginger tea, uh— the vitamin D, and course, I start to slam the mushrooms, too, because the medicinal mushrooms get your immune system like up regulated. It’s like saying it’s like taking the army, right? Or the snipers and putting them on high alert. They’re all like perch above, they’re looking down, they’re looking for anything that comes out to move, right? So that’s kinda what I look as the medicinal mushrooms are doing. It’s really getting the immune system ready.

Evan Brand: Now, how about Monolaurin? How would you compare and contrast that?

Is that, do you cycle on? Do you cycle off? I mean, what’s your take?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s a great question. In Immuno Supreme, we put Monolaurin in there. So, there’s a little bit in there, but it’s not gonna be at like a therapeutic level, where if you were to take it by itself. So if you have a sneaking suspicion that there’s a virus going around, right? And you know there’s some kinda virus that’s in the area, your kids bring it home, you just know, right? It’s flu season. You’re thinking it’s a virus issue. Then number one: I’d be hitting ginger tea. Number two: I’d be using the Immuno Supreme, okay? Number three: you can add in— you can add in additional medicinal mushroom, okay? Number four: you can throw in some silver and number five: you can throw in some Monolaurin by itself. I’ll typically do between 2 to 5 things depending on what’s going on. So number one, if I’m under a lot of stress and I start getting sick, then I’m like, “Crap, I need to really hit it hard.” Coz I know my immune system’s more stress. If I’m more relaxed and there’s not a lot of stress going on and I’m sleeping really good, and I may just choose two or three things to start with. So and if I know people around me are coming down with the flu, then I’ll hit more things to help with the flu. Silver, medicinal mushrooms and of course, I’ll hit the Monolaurin by itself— couple of grams a day. 3-4 g a day.

Evan Brand: I like turkey tail. I wanna make some Turkey tail mushrooms. I have been using those a lot, too. And also, Astragalus. We love Astragalus, so I use it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Astragalus is one of those herbs that kinda has an adaptogenic effect. And it cleanses the blood, too. And I will use that by itself. So I like five or six things in my medicine cabinet. I just stocked up last week ordering like three or four bottles of Reishi. Come the holiday season, I actually start adding in medicinal mushrooms that support my immune system at a low dose. I’ll do about  3 caps today. And if I start to feel anything, that goes from 3 to 12.

Evan Brand: Yup. That’s good. We got a question about glutathione IV for a healthy woman in her 40’s. “Is it worth it?” “And how often should I get it?” I’ll speak on it first and hear your take Justin. Uh— I’ve seen hundreds of times on the organic acids test and there’s actually some literature on this, that if you’re taking your precursors for glutathione, like you’re N-acetylcysteine or your vitamin C even in oral form, that you can actually boost up glutathione. So needing an IV if you say you’re a healthy woman, I just think it’s overkill. And it’s probably not necessary unless you just had some crisis thing going on and you needed a quick IV for it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. Great point, Evan. So let me lay it out. There’s two scenarios, right? Scenario number one, is working with the functional medicine doctor as a long-term plan. From a long-term strategy, glutathione IVs are very expensive over a long-term. I mean, if you’re looking at like $30 $40 an IV, and you’re doing that couple times a week, long-term it’s not— it’s not a really good cost-effective solution. I much rather be using glutathione precursors and/or liposomal glutathione over a long-term kinda functional medicine program, okay. Number one if it used punctuated-wise because you’re in the middle of a—a heavy metal cleanse, or you have a lot of mold issues in your home and you’re using it as a punctuated circumstance, or you’re traveling, you decided to go to one of these natural clinics and get an IV coz your traveling and you’re under stress, that’s fine. Punctuated, short-term specific reasons it makes sense. Over a long-term, I don’t think it’s the most cost-effective because there— number one: you get stuck every day. Number two: it’s a little bit expensive. You’re better off using the precursors in the liposomal glutathione moreover the long-term. But I still see value in it and I kinda just outline those scenarios why.

Evan Brand: Yup. For sure. Uh—I’d say can we zoom out a bit. Let’s do like a 30,000 foot view of other things that could be affecting or suppressing someone’s immune system like dysbiosis in the gut, bacterial overgrowth, parasites, the candida issues, adrenal issues, heavy metal issues, liver detox problems. These are things that we see every single day in the clinic by running organic acids and stool testing. If you’ve got parasites or you’ve got chronic bacterial infections like H. pylori that’s suppressing your ability to make stomach acid, you’ve got the list undigested food because of the H. pylori that’s affecting your gut barrier creating leaky gut, therefore allowing the immune system to get under attack and create autoimmunity. So, I think from like a high point of view, outside of just the seasonal illness stuff this time of the year, if you haven’t approached and tested for your infections, your heavy metals, your detoxification markers, now’s a good time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think it’s great. So, you know, looking where you’re at, I mean, most people that they’re not gonna stuck their medicine cabinet up with maybe five things, but I’d say let’s look at two things, right? So number one, I think the vitamin D is really important just because based on where the Earth’s latitude, the angle of that is at the this time of the year, it’s lower or its less direct, so you’re gonna have less UV exposure, so getting vitamin D is really hard. So getting the vitamin D up. And I went over the acute protocol for it. 100,000 IUs for three days. And step number two is some kind of immune booster. So, if you’re just a regular everyday person and you’re taking some adaptogens like I’ll just take more Ashwagana, which is great immune boosting benefits. Or if you want to add something in additionally, I recommend a vitamin—higher dose vitamin C, bioflavonoids and/or medicinal mushroom or if you want a multi-tasker, in my line Immuno Supreme is a good one. And I’ll put my link below and I know you have couple that you like in your line, Evan. We’ll make sure we put the link for those, too.

Evan Brand: Speak on the testing. Let’s talk about this. I mean, dysbiosis. If you got gut infections, you’ve got parasites, bacterial overgrowth like this is something in your bucket that you can take all the Reishi in the world, but if you’ve got infections, you’ve got infections—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. So again, there’s the zoom in and zoom out, right? So, over the long picture, over you know, over the— over the long run, big picture, we want to create a comprehensive functional medicine protocol that involves supporting the adrenals, fixing the gut, fixing the absorption, which then helps the detox, which then helps the immune system, right? So when that— in the long run, this is ideal, okay? But in the short run, people are like, “Hey, I want to be more natural. I want to be more holistic. I don’t want to— you know, get a vaccine or flu shot or you know beyond a synthetic NyQuil or whatever these drugs are that just control the symptoms. I wanna actually get healthier, but I don’t have time to jump into a functional medicine program. I’m starting to feel down now. What the hell do I do?” So the herbs that I mentioned they’re kinda like the quick fix in the short run. And of course, the easy things you can do in the short run, too, is cut all the sugar out, cut all the crap out, really increased nutrient density, more bone broth, ginger tea, right? Lots of good greens. Those kind of things. Lots of good healthy meats and fats. That’s you know— the diet stuff, the sugar stuff and then we talked about a couple supplement stuff. And in the long run, the goal will be to get you out of functional medicine plan, where we address all the other barriers that you mentioned that would enhance the immune system over the long run.

Evan Brand: For sure. I would give a couple other mentions, too. Uh— zinc can be helpful. You don’t have to go super high with zinc. You could do 15 mg of zinc –

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Evan Brand: Uh—and then there’s also some elderberry, which you don’t necessarily have to do long-term and then uh— Echinacea, too. You could bump some Echinacea up for a couple weeks and zinc, Echinacea, Elderberry. Uh—I’ve even seen your—your B pollens or your B propolis can be cool. Uh—sometimes, people are doing a little bit of the Manuka honeys, but sometimes it can be abused. So, I think those are couple good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We try to __a lot of great info about—you know, actionable info. And again, a lot of people are doing this. We’re putting it out there so everyone can kinda listen to what things, you know, really resonate. And I’ll put a link of some of these products that we—you know, I provide. Evan can do the same as well. So if you want some things that we formulated, we personally use, you can check what we have or you can go look at your local health food store and see what is near you as well. But that gives you a pretty good perspective there. Of course, big picture is we want to get, you know, fix the underlying issues. Short-term picture is here are some immune things that we can do to boost you up in the short run. So, today, I already hit the Reishi up and I’m gonna go hit some vitamin D up. I’ve already hit the Ashwaganda up and I’m gonna also hit my Immuno Supreme up as well. And I’ll do the Reishi again, three capsules around lunchtime and I’ll do three around dinner and before bed. So, I’m doing 12 a day right now just to make sure I’m up regulated. And also, I got my bedtime set tonight for 9:30- 10 o’clock. And I’m gonna get—I’m gonna sleep till probably eight, which is a little later than I normally do. So I’m gonna get a good 9-8, you know, 9-10 hrs. 10 hours, I’d say tonight to really make sure I recharge my body.

Evan Brand: That sleep is—I mean, sleep is free, too. So that’s always good and it actually has a huge effect. You could take all the supplements in the world, but if your sleep is terrible and you’re scrolling on Instagram till 2 AM, that’s bad. You’re not gonna be healthy. You’ve gotta—you’ve gotta address the lifestyle, too. You wanna answer a couple of questions here? We’ve— we’ve got one about – as we get deeper into winter the temperature, gets colder what you recommend for Raynaud’s phenomenon, cold hands, body’s—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You gotta fix the Raynaud’s phenomenon. That’s typically associated with autoimmunity, where it creates a vasospasm in the extremities and the vasculature spasm and then, you don’t get the blood flow there. So it gets colder and you can like, you know, make a motion on your finger and it just stays. It just stays there coz it’s not circulation. So, typically, there’s a thyroid component or an autoimmune component. I’ve seen these hundreds of times, where we actually get to the root cause and that tends to get better on its own.  So that is going to be— there is the symptomatic approach, which is get some better gloves with some heat warmers in there.  Root cause approach is functional medicine program that gets to the root cause: leaky gut, autoimmune, thyroid issues, for sure.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. A question about root canals. Person had a root canal removed, taking antibiotics. Suggestions on supplements to take after I’m done with antibiotics. I wish we could’ve prevented the root canal coz there’s a lot of issues with three canals. But you got it removed, so that’s good. Uh— suggestions on supplements to take after done with antibiotics. I mean what’s your take, Justin? There are so many—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Definitely good quality probiotics.  Ideally, we want to avoid root canals at all cost.  And again, if we get a root canal—Ideally, you want to have an extraction. You don’t want the tooth to be there because it’s basically like a diabetic who was a gangrenous limb and he just—you hollow out the bone and then there’s the skin flap there. It’s kinda like that, if you will. Coz what happens is the tissue is there. The tooth is there. But the immune system for that tooth is now gone. The circulatory and the immune system’s gone. So it’s where bacteria and viruses tend to hide. They go where the immune system isn’t, right? They’re pretty smart. They’re stealthy, right? They’ve been around millions of years and they have mechanisms to figure that out. So they’re gonna hide in that tooth cavity and you’re not gonna be able to touch it because the— now the bodies don’t have the capacity to reach the immune system that far, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. They’re scary. Dental stuff is huge. We should probably get a couple functional dentist on the show.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna get in my end, Dr. Joan Sefcik in Austin, I’ll get her in and we’ll chat about – we’ve that we’ve got a lot of talks about it. But, in general, if you had its root canal and it still there, do some oil pulling to help act like a magnet the pony crud that could be there. Uh— I’ll look at tooth meridian chart and see where that tooth’s meridians on. What meridian, what organ system or neurological pathway it’s on and see if there any symptoms that you’re dealing with that time up in regards to the root canal and those organ systems and see if anything resonates there. And then number three: try to get ahead of it. Prevent it. If you’re listening and you haven’t gotten to try to prevent it. And number four: I would say potentially look for an extraction and then maybe a bridge option coz that way, you’ll at least have something in there that’s you know, bacteria and viruses are not gonna be able to live in like a sterile ceramic or sterile surgical steel type of implant.

Evan Brand: Yeah. But uh—for this person who had already taken the antibiotics, I would just say that you’d want to do—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Probiotics right now.

Evan Brand: You’d wanna do the probiotics. And I would say the leaky gut support, too. So you and I both have leaky gut formulas.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: It could be helpful. So things that have the slippery elm and the marshmallow root. I’ve got one called the GI Soothe. What’s your—what’s your version called?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. GI Restore. Uhm—that’ll kill the viruses. Gargle it for 1 to 2 minutes and then swallow. In that way, it’s gonna be heading in that inner around that area, where the— the work was done. So if there’s any infection that’s held for sure.

Evan Brand: Yup. That’s good advice. Uh— supplement about HCl. Can you get an ulcer from HCl?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, you can. If you have atrophic gastritis and your gut lining’s already really thin and you’re taking Hydrochloric Acid, it can definitely create irritation to the point—especially if you’re trying to work it up to tolerance. You’re trying to push it higher thinking that’s better. Then that could definitely create an issue there. So, of course, number one, if you’re feeling burning or irritation, don’t do that and back the dose often. Of course, take it with food. And then number two is adding some of the healing nutrients that Evan and I talked about. Whether it’s the the Gastro Soothe the G.I. Restore or something that has an L-glutamine kind of uh herbal anti-inflammatory support formula will really help with the gut lining.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Marshmallow, chamomile, all those things are great. A lot of L-glutamine of course, bone broth and ginger tea is also great, too.

Evan Brand: Cool. Awesome. We’re good. Well, I think we— I think we hit it all. Riley had a question about the vagal tone essential oil. Yeah, it’s helpful, Riley. It’s a good. It’s an essential oil formula and it works. So, it’s something else to have in your toolbox.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. One of the herbs that are in there may be frankincense or lavender. Evan Brand: I have to pull—Let me pull it up—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A lot of these things what they’re really designed to do like a lot of the essential oils just help you relax a little better and the more your relaxed, meaning your—your nervous system kind of down regulates. There’s little bit less adrenaline flowing, your heartbeat’s a little slower. You can kind of relax, you start breathing a little bit deeper and it shifts your nervous system into a parasympathetic type of state, which is the rest and repair.

Evan Brand: Rest and repair. Yeah. What makes sense.—so this has got peppermint, Roman chamomile, nutmeg, so lemon balm and ginger.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ginger is really great. You know, anti-inflammatory. Peppermint is great as well. Excellent for inflammation, too. Really helps relax you. Uhm— you mentioned chamomile’s really good for the gut, too. And then, what else? Yeah. I think there’s a lot of good things in there.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I sold quite a lot of it. So, I mean, it’s definitely a helpful—a helpful thing. I don’t think it’s a miracle cure, but it’s a good—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is that a product that you provide?

Evan Brand: It’s a good thing to have. I do. Yeah. Ameo

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, you like it?

Evan Brand: Ameo is like—and I’ll send you—yeah. I like it. It’s good. I’ve got some at home. I use it. It’s cool. I’ll send you the link and—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I have one or two. I have one by Doterra called Balance, which is good. There are some other ones I think on guard is a really good immune boosting one. You can take a couple of drops of On Guard and put it in some water and drink it. That’s really good immune booster. And also, too, if you’re traveling, you’re gonna be on an airplane, get your immune support boosted up because you’re just in a tube with a whole bunch of recycled air, right? And you know at least 10% of the people on that plane are probably actively sick and coughing and hacking, right? And that air just get totally recycled. So I’m always like, “Oop!” You know, I’m getting my immune support going, right? I’m predicting the worst when I get on an airplane. So my immune system is ready for the assault.

Evan Brand: Agreed. Agreed. And a couple questions—“Can you take immune supplements with food?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Yup. Yeah.

Evan Brand: You sure can. “Do herbs contraindicated each other? Like oregano and Echinacea?” Anyone—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I don’t—I think you’re okay. Typically—

Evan Brand: Yeah. I was gonna say typically not. I mean there’s a couple cases where you know, you can’t mix medications with certain herbs, but even that, is—is not too big of a deal. Look up drugs.com and you can type in your—your pharmaceuticals and you can actually compare that—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s cool. And also, you just got to be careful. The big contraindications tend to be ones that have effect blood thinning like ginger is a natural blood thinner. And like if you’re going in for surgery, there gonna want you to be off blood thinners. That would include like ginkgo or ginger or fish oil. So you just have to be very wary of it if you’re going in for surgery. You just have to look up and make sure a lot of the herbs that you’re doing aren’t having blood-thinning effects because you don’t want to be cut open and then bleed more. That’s not good.

Evan Brand: Yup. Yup. Cool. You wanna hit that question on brussel sprouts?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Lots on the sulforaphane and the buzz about Rhonda Patrick for detox, immunity and general health. I think you’re referring to Rhonda Patrick. I think she’s on the Joe Rogan show just a little while back. Uhm— but, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of those cruciferous vegetables are great. There’s not a lot of refined sugar and such. So it’s not hurting your immune system. It’s a whole bunch of added nutrients for detoxification, which are great. Lot of antioxidant, which are great. Run those detox pathways better. I think there are a lot of good things a lot of good things about it. Again, I would need to know a little bit more about uh—detox immunity because it’s a lot of things that we use for detox and for immune health and gut health that we mentioned. And again, it’s not gonna all hinge upon broccoli or cruciferous vegetables. That’s maybe one small component. A lifestyle component, too. So, I wouldn’t hang my hat on all that.

Evan Brand: Uh-huh. Agreed. Yeah. I would say it’s helpful. I’ve done my own sprouts, too. I’ve actually purchased uh—some sprouting equipment. I’ve done it myself. I know Mercola talks about he does sunflower sprouts and stuff. So, yeah, is it a needle mover? I mean, maybe. It’s maybe 5% of the equation. Could it help? For sure. It’s not gonna hurt you. And it’s—you’re getting a lot more bang for your buck out of sprouts as opposed to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And again, uhm— Charlotte asks, “Should you take biofilm disruptors and antimicrobial herbs at the same time?” In my supplement protocols, we always have ginger tea as an option that I—I push and suggest coz ginger is highly effective at disrupting biofilms. So, I’m a huge fan of adding in good quality ginger tea. And then, Riley uhm—said any supplements for sulfurophane or broccoli sprouts? Uh— typically, I would just look for a really good organic ground-up powder substitute. And then you just take a couple scoops of it and throw it in your shake. So I would look for a really good, organic substitute. I know we have one that we use that a special order called Paleo Greens. That’s one that we use. If you needed that as a special order, you could email the office and we could provide an invoice for you. But that’s one that we use. We look for organic. Uh—we want make sure we’re not throwing a whole bunch of concentrated pesticides and that you know, a wide array of green vegetables that we like, too.

Evan Brand: Yeah. There’s a patented version called__

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s a different one.

Evan Brand: And it’s like 8% sulfurophane and there’s a couple different professional healthcare companies you’d have to get it through practitioner, but there some out there that are in extracted uh—broccoli sprout with I think it’s—let me tell you what it is—one capsule you get the equivalent of 500 g of fresh broccoli or 100 g of sprouts. So, I mean this put sprouts to shame, to be honest.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Because of the concentration.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great.

Evan Brand: Also to you too, excellent chat here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it.

Evan Brand: I think that’s all the question. We’re probably good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I just want the people to have the big picture is the big picture is get your immune system looked at and supported. 80% of your immune system lives in your gut. So making sure your digestion good, you’re infection free and you’re not adding in nutrients are not adding in toxins or excess sugar that’s gonna shut down your immune system. And then of course the sleep and then from there, that’s the big picture. Short term, we can always add in some of these natural herbal medicines that have been around for thousands of years to really get your immune system up regulated. And again, take a look at my article, “What to do when you get sick” part 1 and 2. There are some great options there.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Make sure you’re not too stressed, too. Make sure you’re not overworking. If you’re working 60 hours a week, I don’t care how many supplements you take. It’s not gonna—not gonna counteract it. You can’t out supplement your way out of a bad lifestyle. So, make sure that’s addressed and you know, if you’ve got bad people, get rid of them. If you got a bad job, try to change it. You know, there’s—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And one thing you can do, too, is get one of these apps. Like here’s one called, “Calm” Another one called “Headspace” Every couple of hours when you get stressed, do a 2 to 3 minute meditation, right? Maybe five if you have five.

Evan Brand: Yeah. It’s a piece of cake.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Like after this call, I’m gonna do a quick 5 minute meditation. And then I’ll get back into generating maybe other video after that and seeing patients in the afternoon. So the more stress— stressed you are kinda leverage now in the technology that’s out there to help get your parasympathetics more activated. Evan, great chatting with you.  Again, we talk about supplements. Take a look at some of the suggestions that we made in the reference section and also give you some ideas of your out uhm— abroad and you can kinda look at things that gives you good __ to choose from.

Evan Brand: If you’re listening on YouTube, make sure you hit subscribe on Justin’s channel. Subscribe. Subscribe. Subscribe.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: YouTube is not giving people a lot of notifications. Hit the bell and then you’re– you have a higher likelihood you get notified.

Evan Brand: The algorithm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cross that bell and then you get all these little tip that say we drop them up. Evan, you take care.

Evan Brand: You take are.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright. Bye everyone.

 


References:

Why You Keep Getting Sick, and What You Can Do about Those Flu Symptoms | Part 1

Why You Keep Getting Sick, and How to Boost Your Immune System | Part 2

Justin Health Immuno Supreme

Justin Health Monolaurin

Justin Health GI Restore

doTERRA Balance Essential Oil

doTERRA On Guard

Paleo Greens

Ameo Essential Oils

drugs.com

 

Top Anti-Aging Foods

Top Anti Aging Foods

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Everyone ages, the question, therefore, is not will you age, but how will you age? Will you suffer from chronic pain and inflammation, develop diseases such as dementia, diabetes, and cancer, lose your mental capacities or your ability to walk and run? Or will you remain in good health with good posture, retain a great state of mind and mental clarity, keep balanced hormones and healthy relationships?

The truth is, the choice is yours, and it is exactly that: a choice. If you are determined to live a long life with your body and energy at their fullest potential, you can do so! However, there are no magic creams or pills that will prevent you from showing signs of aging. The secret to aging gracefully and successfully lies in a series of healthy diet and lifestyle choices which we will outline below.

What is Aging?

What is Aging?

Disease, dementia, cancer, loose saggy skin, slowed brain function, slow and weakened body: these are NOT predetermined signs of aging! These are the consequences of the Standard American diet (SAD) and lifestyle that have been normalized by our society. Recent discoveries have shown that inflammation, the shortening of your telomeres, and  mitochondrial deterioration are what control the aging process.

Click here to schedule a consult with a functional medicine doctor to determine your personal causes of inflammation and illness!

What Causes Aging?

What causes aging?

Inflammation causes the diseases and health decline that are hallmark symptoms of aging, which can eventually lead to autoimmune disease and cancer. This can be combated by finding the root cause of inflammation (commonly diet-related) and taking steps to prevent it.

Telomeres sit at the end of our DNA, and their length is related to our biological age (different from our chronological age, which counts birthdays, your biological age is how old your body is in relationship to your health). Telomeres are shortened by unhealthy habits such as smoking, and eating inflammatory foods.

Our mitochondria produce 95% of our energy, in the form of ATP, but the byproduct of the energy production is harmful free radicals which cause damage to the mitochondria. Science has shown certain foods, as well as the enzyme CoQ10, to be powerful in defending against free radical damage.

How to Age Successfully

How to age successfully

We are able to curtail disease, wrinkles, and a general decline in health through taking proper care of our bodies. A big part of preventing disease and deterioration as you age is dependent on your diet. The following foods are just some of the many healthy options we have that are full of the nutrients and minerals vital for good health and longevity:

Bright colored fruits and veggies provide beta-carotene and vitamin A, which protect against cellular damage and premature aging. They are also great for your skin and eyes, meaning less wrinkles and better vision. These include: bell peppers, carrots, sweet potato, and broccoli.

Leafy greens, such as spinach, collard greens, lettuce, and kale, contain several top antioxidants. Lutein and zeaxanthin have been shown to reduce the risk of cataracts and macular degeneration. Beta-carotene, vitamin C, and sulforaphane are cancer-fighting antioxidants present in leafy greens. The folate in spinach improves your short-term memory and might even lower the risk of developing heart disease and cancer. Vitamin K1 is found in collard and salad greens, which is linked to vascular health, strong bones, prevention of heart disease and Alzheimer’s disease, and can treat certain cancers.

Eggs also contain lutein and zeaxanthin, making them an unexpected friend of your eyes. They are a natural source of vitamin D, as well as choline, which protects your brain, nervous system, and heart. Be sure to buy organic, pastured eggs for all the benefits they have to offer!

Blueberries are chock-full of antioxidant power. By fighting oxidative stress, blueberries can help neutralize the damage caused by free radicals. They help reduce the risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, and arthritis while boosting your vision and immune system!

Citrus contains vitamin C, which helps your body produce collagen. Collagen is responsible for healthy joints as well as tight, healthy skin. The quercetin in citrus has anti-aging properties and also helps fight inflammation.

Takeaway

Takeaway

You are what you eat, so if your goal is to be healthy and thriving in old age, the food choices you make today need to be healthy ones. Luckily, these foods are not only dense in important nutrients, they are also delicious!

Click here for a consultation with a functional medicine doctor and a personalized health plan!

REFERENCES:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3370421/

http://www.cell.com/molecular-cell/pdf/S1097-2765(16)00081-2.pdf

https://www.jci.org/articles/view/64125

http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/101399BlueberriesMayImproveMemory.htm

Fibromyalgia Natural Solutions – Dr. J Live Podcast #159

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand discuss about Fibromyalgia including its cause and symptoms. Learn how some of the symptoms connected to it such as anxiety, depression, IBS, memory problems are also seen in other health conditions.

Listen as they talk about some of the viruses, infections, gut health, heavy metals, thyroid and adrenal imbalances as possible contributing factors or underlying issues leading to unfavorable health symptoms. Gain some valuable information regarding natural solutions and lifestyle changes that you can do to combat these symptoms.

 Natural Solutions for Fibromyalgia

In this episode, we cover:

 

02:15   Fibromyalgia Symptoms

03:48   Viruses and Infections

07:20   Gut Health

10:31   Adrenal Issues

13:19   Heavy Metals

 

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s Dr. J here in the house. Evan, how we doing today? Happy Monday!

Evan Brand: Hey, man!  Happy Monday to you. Life is good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We had a little technical difficulty here. But we are rolling. The show must go on. So, any any updates for me here that you want to bring to my attention before we dig in and get dirty?

Evan Brand: Well, I’m just excited. I’m excited to talk with you about fibromyalgia. This is one of those things in that category like IBS where the conventional doctors—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand:.. give people diagnosis and then they just end up with drugs in their pockets and they don’t have any real success. And people struggle for years and years and years, they end up with these other symptoms that come along with fibromyalgia like anxiety or depression or IBS. And once again, conventional Docs, they just don’t really have a high success rate with this issue.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent agree. And fibromyalgia is one of these interesting types of diagnoses. Basically you have to have uh—central allodynia pain, which is kind of like this uh— pain that may be true like 11 different random spots of the body. So they look for these different pain, tender spots, shoulders, chest, hips, back. And they are looking for like at least 11 out of the 17 or so spots. And if you have it, great, you have fibromyalgia, right? Coz basically what is a central allodynia? That means your nervous system is so hypersensitive that it’s dectecting, you know, you rubbing like this, just things that shouldn’t cause pain. It’s sensing that it’s pain. And that’s the biggest issue coz  the nervous system is so upregulated, it’s like having an antenna that’s so hypersensitive that it’s picking up stations uhm— that shouldn’t be picking up.  And it’s the same kinda thing. Your nervous system is an antenna that’s picking up all these nociception or pain sensation where it shouldn’t be. So we want to get to the root cause of why that is. Go ahead.

Evan Brand: Yeah. There is uh—conventional drug that a lot of people end up on. The Lyrica, which I’m sure you’ve heard of.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: Huge pricing commercials for it. And I’ve had people taking that and they just don’t notice much and then sometimes the side effects, maybe not without drug, buy any of the drugs, can be worse than the actual thing that you’re trying to fix into the first place. So that’s just— it’s scary because when you want to get a root cause answered, you’re not gonna get it unless you start running some of these functional medicine testing that we’re talking about. So I just have a list of symptoms I wanted to read that could come along with the fibromyalgia. So that could be anxiety, that could be concentration and memory problems, depression, fatigue, headaches, irritable bowel syndrome. Now, that sounds like a lot of other things that we need to talk about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And here’s the thing, right? A lot of people may have gluten sensitivity or hypothyroidism or heavy metal issues or gut microbial imbalances, the issue is that some people may manifest with Hashimoto’s. Some may manifest with fibromyalgia symptoms who have a lot of the central allodynia pain. So it is interesting because some people, they can have the exact same core underlying issue, but have a totally different diagnosis. And all of diagnoses is a constellation of symptoms that are typically put into one category, right? The chronic pain symptoms—that’s gonna be in the fibromyalgia category. Memory symptoms—that’s gonna be in the category. Fatigue symptoms— that could be in the thyroid or adrenal category. Gut issues— depending on where that inflammation is located, that could be in the Crohn’s or Ulcerative Colitis or there’s no inflammation in the tissues that can be in the IBS category like you. So this is where it’s tough because all conventional medicine is tyring to categorize known symptoms in the categories call the “disease”. We are trying to trace it upstream. And the hard part about functional medicine is certain people can have the exact same imbalances and manifest with totally separate diseases. That’s the hardest part people to wrap their heads around.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Let’s go into the viruses. My wife when she had joint pain several years ago, you said, “Evan, the first thing you need to look into is going to be some of the viruses.” And so we got a blood test run on her. She did not show up with Lyme, fortunately, but she did show up with the cytomegalovirus and then also the mycoplasma. Can— so can you speak about those a bit? And how that could be causing joint pain that could get misdiagnosed?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. So there are certain infections like mycoplasma is one of them they can manifest in the joint tissue, for sure. So that’s one of those conditions that an infection can really be driving a lot of that joint pain. And we know certain infections and certain imbalances can manifest with certain symptoms. Like we know that hypothyroid issues, low thyroid function can manifest having low thyroid hormone in joint pain. We also know like infections like mycoplasma can also cause or call  the lower thyroid function and then potentially manifest in joint pain. We also know it could potentially manifest in the joints and you know certain antibiotics like Minocycline to help knock it out. We prefer to use some of the herbs coz it tends to be safer on the gut microbiome in the long run, number one. And then with your wife symptoms, we notice that she already had a pretty good diet.  And there was a tick bite involved in your wife’s last issues. Is that correct?

Evan Brand: That’s right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And so because of that, you know, we were leaning towards, “Hey, let’s just to after the infection and see what happens.” And when we knocked out the infection, everything got a lot better. So that was good to see that.

Evan Brand: Yeah. It was so— it was so it was so easy, too. So simple. Just modify the immune system, all of a sudden things are better. So, if you have fibromyalgia or you have joint pain and general pain stiffness, you gotta make sure you roll those in. So go to your doctor if you’ve got a natural path or functional medicine practitioner, that’s even better. Try to get them to test you for the Lyme, plus the co-infection. So coz like I said she had a negative result for Lyme, but she was positive for these other things, Cytomegalo and the Mycoplasma. So you gotta go look for them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. So, again, any issue any like disease issue, like if you’re someone and we’re focusing on fibromyalgia today because that’s got a certain bit of symptoms that manifest in pain. So if you resonate with that, great. This is going to help you. If you don’t resonate with fibromyalgia symptoms, but you have something else, this podcast is still gonna be helpful because we always trace it back to the underlying imbalances, which can manifest itself in different symptoms. But one thing that’s gonna be uniform across the board is looking at the gut. The gut is really important coz that’s where a lot of your immune system is. 70 to 80% that’s where your body digests and breaks down nutrients, that’s where uhm—your— essentially you digest and break down all the food you’re eating. So if we’ve a bottleneck in the breakdown of our nutrition, we’ve a bottleneck in how our immune system functions, if we have a leaky gut and your immune system’s being overreactive, or if we have an infection there, that can create a lot of underlying stress that may manifest itself in different symptoms. And again, kinda linking it back to fibromyalgia, if you have these chronic pain issues, those 11 kind of places a central allodynia pain to touch, right? Your diagnosed 11 places of pain on your body, at least. And you have the fibromyalgia, the diagnosis, then we definitely have to rule out the gut. And again, here’s a thing that really throws people for a loop is that you can have gut issues and not have gut symptoms – that’s the really hard thing. You may not have the bloating, the gas, the diarrhea, the constipation, the acid reflux, and you may still have a gut issue.

Evan Brand: Uh-hmm. H. pylori we see it every week in the clinic. So if you’ve got H.Pylori, you’ve got that bacterial infection, that’s suppressing HCl production, therefore you’re not digesting your food. So if you’re seen floating stools or you’re seeing undigested food particles in your stool, that could all be adding up to this whole picture of the depression, the anxiety, the fatigue. Maybe even skin issues, too. So maybe you don’t have the fibromyalgia diagnoses, but you’ve got fatigue, depression, anxiety maybe some sleep problems maybe some skin issues. That could all be tied into leaky gut— that intestinal permeability. It could be something as simple as H. pylori or like Dr. Justin Marchegianientioned, it could be H. pylori plus Mycoplasma plus maybe some bacterial overgrowth like the SIBO case or plus parasites, which is something we often talk about, plus fungus. You know, typically it’s not just one thing. Most of the time, by the time people get to us, they’ve been suffering for quite a long time and therefore, there’s usually a handful of things that we’ve got to address. Now on the thyroid, is the pain going away just a side effect of you fixing your thyroid? Like all the sudden thyroid function improves and the pain just goes away. Could it be that simple if that were your biggest root cause?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well 100%. So you can see it quite frequently that just getting someone on some T3, some thyroid hormone can really help because they may be on thyroid hormone, T4, but they’re not able to convert and activate it. So there’s TSH, right? The pituitary hormone that most conventional docs measure to look at thyroid function may look nice and pretty but they’re not making that conversion from T4 to T3. So their T3 levels may be low, and if you come in there with some activated T3, you may start to put some of their thyroid symptoms on remission. Now, we have to understand, from a functional medicine perspective, what’s palliative and what’s root cause. So we have to make sure we actually fix the underlying conversion issues, if it’s nutrient or if it’s inflammationm if it’s gut, if it’s immune. And we also had to fix the underlying nutrient absorption issues, the infections, the autoimmunity, right? So whatever those issues are. So, we kinda understand that there are certain natural medicine things we can do. There are palliative, which are great. And there are certain things like, I think you mentioned earlier about the uhm—your child has a little bit of eczema and you know, putting a little bit of coconut oil in there helps. But you recognize, that’s palliative not root cause. So we try to get to the underlying foods that may be causing it.  Same thing in this analogy with thyroid. And thyroid, low thyroid hormone can express itself in about 70 different symptoms—hair loss, fatigue, uhm— brain fog, anxiety, right? All these different symptoms. Also, the pain symptom is one of the.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. And if it’s Hashimoto’s, if it’s an autoimmune thyroid condition, that T3 could help symptoms improve. In this case, you could get more energy, could help reduce pain. But if you haven’t stop that autoimmune attack by addressing infection, supporting the adrenal glands, making sure the diet is dialled in, and you don’t have any foods that are creating antibodies against the thyroid. You know, those are some of the big three needlemovers you got to have on board to fix this thing at the root and not just be stuck on T4 or T3 or combination for the rest your life.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. So we also know that adrenal issues— adrenal imbalance is not necessarily adrenal fatigue, of course, you know, most people in the conventional medical world will hear adrenal fatigue and think adrenal failure like Addison’s disease, okay? Which is valid but we also know that there can be imbalances in cortisol that may not be a full disease failure kind of situation. It may be just lower adrenal cortisol issues, lower DHEA because of HPA axis dysfunction. And if that’s the case, we want to make sure we support that because adrenal, zero adrenal glands produce cortisol, which is your natural anti-inflammatory hormone. And again, people that have chronic pain issues, a lot of times, we put on like COX 2 inhibitors, things like that. Severe pain, of course, Opioids is an Oxycontin, which is a another big issue in itself. But also, Prednisone and Corticosteroid drugs that basically have the ability to knock down inflammation, the problem is, why aren’t your own glands working enough to cover up that inflammation, too? So, if we get the adrenals working better, we can kinda make some of our own homemade Prednisone on our own—our own homemade Corticosteroids to help cut that inflammation down.

Evan Brand: So talk about what happens. Let’s say somebody is on the steroids long-term, that’s also going to affect the adrenals as we’ve seen on some lab results.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It will throw off some of the feedback loop, so will disrupt the HPA axis, that’s the brain talking to the adrenals. That’s that nice feedback loop or that kind of internal thermostat that our body has. So we do have that there that we have to work on because that can affect that thermostat. Uhm—number two, it can really throw off your blood sugar. So taking a lot of synthetic steroids that when we create protocols for a patient, we may use small amounts of precursor hormones like Pregnenolone or DHEA. And these are gonna throw things off in the same way that a drug would. Because these drugs are very, very powerful. They can mess up the feedback loops. But if you’re using a corticosteroid, it can really mess up your blood sugar and in the long run, it can even create osteoporotic situations. It can really thin out the bones. It can really weaken the gut lining because these steroids break things down,right? They’re anti-inflammatory but they are also very catabolic. So it’s great in the short run, right? When we get back on track, but not good in the long run coz it can really mess up our glandular physiology. How that—how our hormonal systems work. And the feedback loops that kinda keep them connected.

Evan Brand: I think it’s worth mentioning heavy metals, too. I don’t think it’s good to be

necessarily the number one cause for most people, but we notice that if there is a gut issue, let’s say somebody does have these gut bugs, they could have a detox problems, too. Just coz their body, their liver is just so overburden. Let’s talk about metals a bit. So could be just amalgam fillings or could be occupational exposure or could be too much of a lower quality or too big of a fish like a tuna that’s causing issues. Let’s talk about that for a minute.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. So we can definitely have toxicity issues like Mercury which can be very inflammatory. Mercury also is similar to the halide group so it could fit into the receptor site where Iodine would typically bind in. Fluoride and bromine can also pinch-hit there as well. So that can create a lot of issues regarding that. Mercury can also jam up the mitochondria. I mean feel free and go to PubMed and just type in “Mercury and mitochondrial function” and you’ll see increase in heavy metals can decrease mitochondrial function. And again, as—as glycolysis and our Krebs cycle turns and we have betaoxidation on the flipside, we generate about 36 ATP’s per pump and those ATP’s work is kind of the cellular currency for energy, right? It’s how our body kind of you know, creates energy and you know, has aerobic metabolism to create ATP, which is our body functions and that’s kinda the byproduct of having a healthy metabolism.

But if we go in there and all these gears are moving spitting out all these ATP, which is basically cellular energy, and we messed that up, we throw kind of a monkey wrench into the gearbox, that’s gonna prevent optimal ATP function, which is gonna throw off our energy and our body ability—our body’s ability to function, right? Lower energy is gonna create symptoms. Anytime you have lower energy, you  tend to start having brain fog issues, mood issues, fatigue issues, pain issues, sleep issues because energy is the byproduct of a healthy metabolism. So when energy goes, metabolism is going down. And when that’s starts to go, other symptoms tend to manifest as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I’ve gotta say two things. One is glyphosate. If you’re not 100% organic, make your goal to be a 100% organic as close as you possibly can. I love that people are honest. I had a guy who on his intake form, I asked the question, “What percentage or diet is organic?” He said 0%. I’m like, “Man, you’re getting glyphosate.” We can measure it. We can prove it on a piece paper, but just know if something is not labeled organic, especially your fruits and veggies, assume it’s contaminated with glyphosate. Just like Justin mentioned about Mercury, antibiotics, glyphosate. Those are all mitochondrial killers and so there’s nothing worse that you could possibly do than have glyphosate in your system. Now, fortunately, you can detox it by using the sauna. There’s other methods that we talked about but just make it a goal. Throw out the—you know, go donate or throw out the non-organic stuff. Swap it out. Pay the extra buck. Pay the extra 2 bucks. It’s gonna be much, much more valuable in the long-term and much cheaper in the long term because you’re gonna prevent yourself from having health issues associated with glyphosate toxicity.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. Hundred percent. I had a conversation with someone recently that say, “Hey, you you realize organic food doesn’t have any more nutrients than conventional food.” And I said back to them,”Well, it depends.” There are some studies that do say organic food does have more nutrients. I mean there are some people that say that’s there are some studies by Temple University that shows a much higher level in nutrition with organic food than conventional food. I just think it depends on what kind of organic we’re talking about factory farm, you know, big corporations have started labeling things organic. And again, are they gonna have the same high level as a local farm regarding fertilization, you know, rotating the crops. I mean, if you just have an organic farm without pesticides, but you just continue to heat that crop season after season, don’t let it rest, don’t switch spots, and don’t you know, add synergy to the land, right? Some synergy is like, for instance, when the cows pass on their— basically have their manure, their bowel movements, you’re bringing the chickens afterwards to kind of help uh knock out all the grubs, right? Which prevents other animals from coming in. So you can add synergy to the land that helps, number one, increase uhm— fertility to the soil, right? Increases that top soil. But number two, it helps other past and creatures from growing, which can create havoc down the line. And so, in other words, uhmm—some people can really hit that soil hard and decrease the nutrient densities of the organic food. It has less nutrients, anyway. But anyway, so let’s just pretend this person is right. They told me organic food has the same nutrition as conventional food. Alright. Fine. We do know the research is quite conclusive that organic food has less pesticide residue. Of course, coz to be organic, you can’t have pesticides on it. So just the fact that— let’s the nutrient’s density is the same from organic food. While I’m definitely not getting the pesticide exposure, which Evan mentioned earlier with Glyphosate or Roundup. It’s so important. coz there are so many studies on that coming out that it’s very toxic on the body, on the liver, on the gut. And essentially many other places.

Evan Brand: You know, the European Union, they’re successfully banning it. I’ve been trying to keep up with this is much as I can. It looks like glyphosate is seeing the end of the rope in the European Union. I hope something is to follow in the US, but I just don’t think it’s gonna be anytime soon here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I agree.

Evan Brand: One of the thing I wanted to mention is on the CDC’s website about fibromyalgia, they say that much much much higher rates of ankylosing spondylitis occur with fibromyalgia and Justin and I mentioned this on a mini podcast. That’s an autoimmune condition. And so it sounds like what they’re saying without saying it because maybe they’re not noticing the link, is that this whole thing is likely just a autoimmune issue. The IBS, like you mentioned, the Crohn’s or the Colitis, the Hashimoto’s, like this could all just be autoimmunity at the root. And we’ve just got to go through all of our causes and fix the autoimmune issue and then all of a sudden you can reverse the symptoms.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. And again, there’s like over a 180 autoimmune conditions. So my analogy is anytime you have a physical chemical or emotional stress, or  you know, imagine having this fancy pearl necklace, every time you put tight, that’s a physical chemical or emotional stressor in your life. And let’s just say every little spot where that pearl connects to the necklace, they’re not all the same strength. There maybe some part to that chain that are little bit weaker. Think of that as genetic predisposition at work. You’re gonna have certain genetic links in the chain that are going to be a little bit weaker. Now what does that mean to you, as that stress comes on, that part of the chain may be more likely to break than another part. Let’s say  Pearl 33 is more likely to break them Pearl three or Pearl four, right? Now, Pearl 33 may be ankylosing spondylitis. And that stressor may be Roundup or could be Hashimoto’s or let’s say Pearl 4 is Hashimoto’s for someone else, right? So think of every little link in that chain as a different disease that could manifest if that link is broken. And where that link you for you, is gonna be based on your genetic predisposition. What we have control over is not pulling that damn chain type. Let it go. Let it relax, right? How do we do that? All of the diet and lifestyle things. Just cutting the Round up out. Eating organic. That pulls the stress off. And getting that good sleep, having good thoughts, fixing your gut, fixing infections, making sure you can digest and break down all that really good food that you’re eating. Get your hormones under control if there’s imbalances there. Does that make sense, Evan?

Evan Brand: Oh, it sure does. I mean, just like you picture a big wall think of like a submarine. You’ve got a 1000 switches in all these red switches are flipped on. We’re just gonna go down the list and just flip all those red switches off, and all of a sudden you turn off, you’ve not pulled the trigger. You’ve got the loaded gun, but we’re just gonna decide not to pull the trigger. People think that like genetic testing is the end-all be-all and “Oh, my gosh! I’m genetically predisposed to X.” It’s like that doesn’t change the protocol at all. That just means you need to be even more diligent. If your family had a history of this condition or other conditions, you just have to be more diligent. That doesn’t mean you’re toast. That doesn’t mean you’re definitely going to get XYZ disease or condition. That just mean you got pay attention. You’ve gotta make sure you’ve got all the pieces going in your favor.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And I pretty much work with the genetic stuff. I don’t get so hyper fixated on it. I just assume the worst for everyone. And that way, we’re making the changes in hydration, with sleep, with water, with toxicity, with gut. We’re not gonna give synthetic folic acid. We’re gonna give super high quality methylated B vitamins. We’re just making that assumption for everyone because I can’t be hurt by making that assumption in that direction. If I make it the opposite direction and say, “Hey, it’s okay. You probably don’t have a folate issue. I’m gonna save some money and put some crappy synthetic folic acid in my multivitamin instead of high-quality activated folate. Then I can go wrong, right? I may save a little bit of money but because we’re interfacing with our patients daily and weekly, we know that we’re better off rolling the dice in favor of there being an issue with that. So we always have the higher quality nutrients in there to cover our butts.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And I had a a woman who emailed me this morning she said, “Evan, I had a reaction to gluten. Do you think it’s time that I go get tested for celiac?” And I told her, “It’s better cheaper and likely safer just to assume that you’ve got a massive allergy to gluten,” Then you just need to stay way because really, going to the gastroenterology process where they make you eat— what is it two slices of bread for like a week or two and then they cut out a piece of your intestine to try to see if all those cilia where destroyed or flattened. And then a lot of times, there’s even false negatives there. So you could do all that work. Destroy your body, create inflammation and then say, “Oh, it says negative.” It’s like just stay away and be more diligent. Don’t tell people that it’s a preference. Just tell it—  tell people at a restaurant it’s a gluten allergy. Make  they change their gloves. And you’re gonna be much safer as opposed to waiting for that diagnosis. So that’s kinda what my message is. If you have these symptoms, maybe  you’re not been officially diagnosed with fibromyalgia, but you’ve got these symptoms, you’ve got pain and the sleep and fatigue. Just go ahead and think, “Okay, maybe I’ve got XYZ but now I’ve just gotta start working on all these big pieces we talked about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. And someone’s chiming in here on the YouTube live here, chat saying that uhm—their local farmer told him it’s certified organic, allows them to spray toxic pesticides two times a year. Not sure what kind of certification that is.  Typically, the USDA certification’s pretty good. The fied has to be—the land has to be for three years without pesticides to even get that certification. So I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same USDA certification, number one. And a lot of farmers they’ll use other compounds that tend to be a little less toxic to help with spring. So like for instance we have our property done which had to use probiotic spray and we tend to use essential oils. And again, there may be chemicals in there, of course, but they may be harmonious and have less toxic burden. I’m more worried about the toxicity of the pesticides. And let’s say you bought an organic food that was, you know, in one of these farms that was spray twice a year,  well, isn’t that gonna be better than a farm that’s sprayed weekly?

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I’m kinda like good-better-best. Hey, if I’m gonna cheat or if I have a choice option between something that was spray weekly versus twice a year, I’m still gonna go with twice a year because that toxicity burns is gonna be good. Also, we can just utilize the Clean 15 and the dirty dozen. Great, if we’re gonna buy a food that’s conventional or somewhat conventional with pesticides. Let’s look at the Clean 15 and see the foods that have less pesticide residue and avoid the dirty dozen and/or just get a really good uhm— vegetable or fruit wash that you can wash off some of the external pesticides at least.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And some of the regulations under the USDA, there’s a difference between 100% organic and just certified organic. So, obviously, the best thing to do which is contact a local farmer, which is what I do. I buy some bison meat and other products locally. And I know that they don’t ever use chemicals ever and if they do have to use chemicals, they’ll tell you. And they’ll say, why, what happened how much, what did they actually use. So if you just look up local harvest and go look up type in your ZIP Code, your location, go find some local people and just talk with them. That way, you  don’t have to guess anymore whether something’s actually legit from the grocery store. I still go to the grocery, but I try to source other things outside where I can check the person’s hand. It’s just a lot more viable experience that way.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And again, we just have to do your best, right? Sometimes we don’t have the best options you know, when we’re traveling or we’re going out to eat. But if we can control the 80 to 90% when we’re home and we’re in our house and the foods that we choose in our area, that’s gonna be the most important thing. Also, when you’re healthy, you get a little bit more wiggle room; when you’re chronically sick, you don’t. So if you’re chronically sick, then you really got to be careful and make the best decision possible and uhm— if you’re not, then 10 to 20%, I’m totally okay with. And if you’re going to get exposed to things, activated charcoal is a great option uhm— taking some extra detox support may be helpful, too. So all that’s really good if you know you’re gonna be getting exposed to not so good things.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Take in your enzymes, too. Take in your acids, your enzymes. You and I both use enzymes that are gonna contain special ones that helps. So if you do get  to it. exposed to gluten, that can help reduce the flareup. If you are sensitive, you are react to it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And then James here, talks about uhm— his fatigue still lingers daily, can’t shake it. Thyroid tested good with me, uhm—Modafinil works great and gets me to the day. And Modafinil or Provigil aspirin is a big fan of it. Not a huge fan long term. I mean I think it’s not fixing any of the underlying issues. So the diet helps I mean I would look more at the adrenals, I’d look more at the mitochondria. I forget your specific case, James, I know you’re doing good for a while. So if you just had a backward slide recently, we’d wanna chat and figure out what underlying stressors have creeped up or make sure the infections are gone, or make sure the mitochondria are functioning as optimal as possible. So I wanna look a little bit deeper. I’m fine, though, using Modafinil Provigil punctuated time frames, you know, a work deadline comes up, major stressors you know, you have to induce some extra stuff on the weekend with your family or work stuff, then fine. Take that to really upregulate your body but just keep in mind there’s something deeper we got a look at. And just  you know, things like sleep and things like hydration and people forget those all the time.

Evan Brand: Yup. Very simple but sometimes the most simple stuff moves the needle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean Daniel talks about here, uh— talks about what can cause jellylike lumps in the semen sometimes painful to pass. Well first off, I would do like a urine analysis first, just to make sure there’s nothing, no UTI your uhm—you know, nothing that’s kidney or bladder base. Make sure there’s no infections in the piping, so to speak. Uh—again, I would also rule out epididymitis. Make sure there’s no infections in the epididymis. There could be a bacterial issue that’s just causing these uh— the semen to kinda agglutinate or stick together. And also, even just run a sperm analysis. Just to make sure this— the semen are actually alive and it’s not a whole bunch of dead semen uh— in there as well. So, I would look there first. If the diet’s good, if everything else is good, I would just make sure any type of infections and that urinary area are also clear too. E. coli, those kinda things.

Evan Brand: Awesome. Well, we gotta wrap up. Both of us gotta get back to our calls, but we hope you guys enjoy the show and leave us questions. You can leave us questions in the future. So if you didn’t catch this live, go to Justin’s YouTube channel. Go on his video, write in your questions, we’ll try to answer as many as we can or will save those for future show. And then same thing for topics. If you have topics that you want us to address, please put them on there. And if we need to reach out for a consult, check out Justin’s site. It’s Justinhealth.com You can schedule a consult. If you wanna schedule a consult with me, check out my site EvanBrand.com and we are happy and willing to help you. So please reach out if you’re suffering around the world, just phone in and Skype consults make it easy for us to help you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And check us out on our podcast channels, too. We’re trying to do our videos here on YouTube, but we’re also trying to record everything in higher-quality audio. So, if you want to hear  us in some higher quality audio, check out our podcast channels. Again, if you go to Evan’s site, EvanBrand.com or my site, Justinhealth.com click on the podcast and you can subscribe to get updated, audio as well. Anything else you wanted to add, Evan?

Evan Brand: I think that’s it. Awesome and Ross, yeah, Mastic Gum is great for H. Pylori.  Awesome show today, Evan. Great as always. Appreciate your energy and your insights and let’s chat real soon.

Evan Brand: Likewise, man. Take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take Care. Bye now.

Evan Brand: See you.

 


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Depression Solution – Dr. J. Live Podcast #158

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand talk about depression and anxiety. Listen as they discuss some of the possible root cause of such condition. Understand the mechanism of depression and anxiety medications and learn why they may not be the best possible solution to the problem.

Gain an understanding on how diet, especially a vegan diet, becomes an important factor when dealing with depression. Explore how gut infections relate to depression and anxiety symptoms and know some of the natural solutions and recommendations in addressing depression and anxiety.

In this episode, we cover:Depression and Anxiety solutions

00:56   Medications mechanism

03:40   Vegetarian Diet and Depression

05:41   Gut Infections and Depression

14:00   Natural Solutions

18:18   Low Thyroid and Mood Issues

 

 

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here. Hey Evan, how are we doing today, man?

Evan Brand: Hey man, I am great. We had a fun off-air chat. So I’m excited to chat with you about this important topic today— depression, anxiety, you know, mental health in general. But we’re gonna—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: ..specifically focus on depression, anxiety. As I was telling you, the center for disease control, they change the ranking over the past couple years. Now depression is the number one leading cause of disability. It’s actually grown over heart disease. It used to be heart disease was number one. Now depression is number one leading cause of disability. So that’s pretty alarming. I predicted this about four- five years ago I could just see the trend of society and now, it’s happened and it’s official.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Depression is really important because a lot of the medications that are out there. I’m just gonna pull out my little Bluetooth headset here—all the medications that are out there, typically, only treat the symptoms. So you kinda have medication from like the 80’s called tricyclics, right? And these tended to—to work with a little a side effects that a lot of the current days SSRI’s or SSNRI’s, right? These are medications that work on blocking the reuptake of serotonin and norepinephrine or dopamine. And essentially it’s allowing more neurotransmitters to sit in between the pre- and the postsynaptic neuron. So neuron—neuron, pre-post- right? Before, after and then you have all this in between area called the synaptic cleft or the uhm—essentially that’s where a lot of the neurotransmitters would hangout. The longer those guys hang out in that area, typically, what happens is you’re gonna have uhm—a recycling of those neurotransmitters at a higher level. So the longer those neurotransmitters sit in that neuro- synaptic cleft there, the faster they get broken down. So that’s why over time, a lot of antidepressant medications have to go up because of the fact that those met—those chemicals are being broken down at a much faster rate. Does that make sense?

Evan Brand: Yup.  Well, the problem is, too, these medications they’re not addressing the root cause now. I know in some cases, they could be life saving therapies because they pull people out of a super deep depression or maybe they were suicidal. But as time and time goes on, the percentage used to be 80% of serotonin was coming from the gut and then it jumped up to 85 or 90% and then now, I keep seeing new literature coming out that the percentage is almost close to hundred percent now of serotonin from the gut. So we really have to address any gut infections we have to test for those, we have to find them, we have to fix them. If we really want to get to the root cause, the brain, of course, is a factor, but man, the gut seems like the biggest factor to me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, it’s a major factor. And again, uh— one of the listeners here in the live chat brought up a lot of the shootings that have been happening recently. Yeah, these medications have a black label-warning, black box warning on them for suicidal tendencies, violent acts, these kinds of things. So it can really alter someone’s physiology and biochemistry were it may predispose them to—to these kind of violent act. So, again, I look at these type medications really only being used in a life or death kind of, “Hey, we’re gonna get this person stabilize so that  they don’t do something that they’re gonna regret.” But then we have to work on getting them off these medications and get to the root cause.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that really has to be the end goal. We need to have a transitional goal in mind so we can get to the root cause whether we start adding in specific amino acids, amino acid therapy. A lot of these neurotransmitters they come from amino acids. So there’s kind of just like the replacement model of, “Hey, let’s add more amino acids into buildup serotonin and dopamine in the brain so you feel better.” There’s that component, right? And that may be really important especially if you have a lot of malabsorption, like you’re not breaking down proteins and fats, you have low stomach acid or enzymes. It may also be important like you’re a vegetarian or vegan and you’re not getting enough of these high-quality proteins and animal source which tend to be the most nutrient dense. So there’s a lot of different things that may drive that from an amino acid perspective. And you talk about 90+ percent in the gut. The question is, “Can that serotonin cross the blood brain barrier?” I’m not sure we know if it can. From what I understand, it can’t. But uhm—a lot of the precursor amino acids like tryptophan, and/ or 5-ACP can cross the blood brain barrier.

Evan Brand: Uh—got it. Okay. I guess, so you brought the vegetarian/vegan point. This is huge. You and I both work with so many vegetarians and vegans and sometimes, they’re just not willing to add-in things to the diet. So whether it’s like egg or even fish, they just don’t want to add it in. And I’ve seen the most depression anxiety problems from vegetarian and vegan. So I wouldn’t even say it’s like just a coincidence anymore. I mean I’ve seen it so often that it’s just—it’s it’s— gotta be causation in this— in this aspect.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, you’re gonna always get higher quality amino acids, proteins from animal products. It’s just how it is. Uhm—you’re not to get a whole bunch of anti-nutrients with them, right? The way animals defend themselves with teeth and with claws. The plants defend themselves are with anti-nutrients, compounds that make it harder to break down uhm—their constituents. The lectins, phytates, mineral blockers, anti-nutrients. They make it hard to break down some of these plant. That’s how plants kind of survive, right? Animals survive through uh—claws, and being able to run, fight and flee. But once you have an animal, right? Once you already killed it and you get that meat in the table, it’s not gonna  possess the same amount of anti-nutrients. And it tends to also have just pure protein and fat where a lot of the plant-based proteins are gonna have a whole bunch of carbohydrate along with it. Unless you’re doing like a pea protein powder or rice protein powder where the starch component has already been removed from the proteins.

Evan Brand: Yup. Yup. Well said. Uhm—let’s talk about some of the gut infections. How this could relate into depression, anxiety symptoms. We could talk about H. pylori. We had a question about that, too. So, we’ll go ahead and address it. How can H. pylori cause depression? We know that it’s gonna reduce stomach acid. If it’s reducing stomach acid, even if you are eating those good quality organic pastured animal proteins, you’re not gonna digest those. So you’re gonna have undigested food particles creating the leaky gut situation that can stress out the liver. We know there’s a link between mood issues and the liver. Sometimes it’s fatigue, sometimes depression, sometimes anger, irritability uh—things like that. And then you’ve got the aspect of the aminos. So I just already hit on. If you’re not digesting these proteins, that first domino could be affected all because of your low HCl production due to the H. pylori then all the sudden, you have no amino acids. Now, you’ve got no raw materials to manufacture neurotransmitters. So this is huge.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hundred percent. So—so there’s a couple different components, right? Dan writes, “Can H. pylori cause depression?” Yeah. Well, number one, it’s gonna do it by a couple different ways. Number one, it’s gonna lower stomach acid and enzyme levels which make it harder to break down proteins and healthy fats which you know, fats tend to be a really important building block for the brain. And the proteins tend to be the building blocks for the neurotransmitters. So if we have decrease in the raw material of the brain, right? And we have decrease in the neurotransmitter raw material, then we’re gonna have issues with optimal mood health, for sure. Number two, is a lot of the uhm—bacterial components of H. pylori have what I call lipopolysaccharide or endotoxins, which can cause depression by itself. It does it through going to the brain and creating inflammation to the brain. It passes through the gut junctions, creates leaky gut, goes to the brain creates inflammation and create mood issues in the brain. It also can uhm—it also can just create leaky gut and which can increase the immune system. And when the immune system is kinda over reactive, it  can suck up a lot of energy. And when your energy is lower, it tend to have more likelihood of being depressed and being anxious. Typically, lower energy and depression tend to come hand-in-hand.

Evan Brand: Yup.  I had H. pylori have multiple parasites. So we had a question from Dawn. He was asking what parasites are the most destructive and what parasites would cause the most amount of depression. I don’t know if we can rank it like that 1-2-3. Number one is gonna cause the most depression but I know when I had Giardia and I had cryptosporidium, I had weight loss, I had H. pylori, I had fungus, I had Candida, I had SIBO, you know, pseudomonas and bacterial infections. I was just very, very, you know, not right in the head. My sleep was off which then affect my energy, which then affected my mood. So it’s hard to say like was it chicken or egg. These parasites cause depression or was it the fact that my sleep was disrupted, therefore I wasn’t actually waking up rested. And that made me tired and depressed. Uhm— Justin, do you have any comments to add about that, like parasites, could you rank them at all, saying crypto or Giardia’s worst than dientomoeba or blasto in terms of the amount of depression it creates?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I would definitely say you—your parasites that are tending to cause more problems because they tend to be a little bit more endemic. They tend to cause more information. But regarding in which ones, it’s hard to say. I’ve seen people have other parasitic infections that cause more problems uhm— than what they typically say on paper. Like some people have uhm— Dientamoeba fragilis but that’s typically one that may not cause a lot of symptoms. So the question is, well, why did it cause a lot of symptoms for you and not the other person. So, again, things like histo and crypto, it tend to cause more problems, but sometimes you may have a less virulent type of parasite infection and it may cause just as many issues for you. So the question is if you have an infection and you have symptoms, especially if you have  an infection and you have digestive symptoms, we got out work on getting the digestion better and then fixing the infections next.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. So we have a question about “Is it possible to for your partner to give you a parasite or if it enters your body while your system fight it off?”  The literature is not clear on parasitic infections. Now Justin can tell you about like some of the correlations we’ve seen where partners have infections. We know 100% H. pylori is passed all the time. 90% of the time, I have someone that shows up with H. pylori, the spouse eventually has to get involved. We have to get them tested and we end up having to create a protocol for them, too, because I’ve had people where we create a protocol, the H. pylori’s gone on the retest of the stool and then the symptoms come back a few months later. We do another stool test, then all of a sudden H. pylori’s back again like what the hell happened. Typically it’s the partners. So then we have to get the spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend tested. They usually are the source and also we create a protocol for both of them and all of a sudden they get better. Now parasites, though, I don’t know. Justin,  what’s your thoughts on passing all the parasites you know, kinda back and forth between each other? What have you seen?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think that’s a 100% probable. We see it a lot with our chronically ill patients that tend to get reinfected over and over. That’s a factor that we always look at to make sure we get the partner, the spouse addressed coz you can definitely pass it back and forth. And I’m more worried about the inflammation, I’m more worried about leaky gut, I’m more worried about the LPS and the endotoxins making the way to the brain and creating inflammation and symptoms there. I’m also worried about just of the maldigestion, not breaking things down well not having enough stomach acid, enzymes, bile salts. So just affecting the digestion, number one. Affecting the leaky gut, number two. And then eventually making its way to the brain. Leaky gut will also cause leaky brain and that could also create more symptoms as well.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said.  I mean the leaky brain thing, most people don’t talk about it. I think we’ve— we’ve hit or— we’ve hit on that topic on many episodes but I don’t think we’ve done a full one. So maybe we should add that to the list. The whole leaky brain episode. But, people, you do want to realize, if you have leaky gut and this could just be caused from non-celiac gluten sensitivity. If you’re eating gluten, we know that’s creating the leaky gut situation. That’s creating leaky brain. If you take a GABA supplement and you get relaxed from it, you have a leaky brain. And that’s not good. Because then you’re sitting in traffic, you’re breathing in diesel fumes and other pollutants. That stuff is having direct access through the blood brain barrier, which normally would protect you so that the integrity of that barrier is super important. Uhm—there’s another question here about depression. Could it be caused because of a lack of dopamine? Is supplementing with tyrosine sufficient enough to help depressive moods? Yes and no. The thing with the amino acids is it’s like a spider web. So if you do start modifying serotonin, things can get messed up with dopamine. If you just start pounding L-tyrosine, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s gonna fix your problem either. So, really, you wanna get organic acids test first and figure out what’s going on coz we can measure dopamine. A lot of people think they have low dopamine but it’s actually too low serotonin or some people have low serotonin and they think that it’s that. But it’s actually not. It’s actually low dopamine instead. So, vice versa. I hope that made sense. But across the board, you could be low in GABA, you could be low in your catecholamines, you could be low with your norepinephrine, epinephrine, you could be lower cortisol. So even cortisol can be a component of depression because if you’ve got adrenal problems, that cortisol rhythm is too low, your batteries aren’t charged or you’ve got too high cortisol, or your cortisol is all over the place fluctuating high and low, which could all be due to these infections. That’s the perfect recipe for depression. So tyrosine may or may not be the solution for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And I have one article here. It talks about dietary proteins having a substantial effect on the composition of gut bacteria. And they talked about for instance, suggestion of intake of dairy and meat protein at recommended level may be beneficial to maintain balance composition of gut bacteria compare with soy protein. Now, again, some of the studies are rat-based so it’s not gonna be a direct correlation, but having a healthy gut bacterial level may decrease some of that gram-negative bacteria which is some of the not so nice uhm—bacteria that tend to cause more of the LPS, right? The lipopolysaccharide and endotoxin. So if we can get the gut bacteria more in the balance, that may decrease the LPS, help with healthier gut integrity, help with less LPS getting into the brain, which creates a mood issues that way, too.

Evan Brand: Yup. So did you want to go into some of the natural solutions now? I mean, we’ve hit on neurotransmitters a bit. We hit on infection, so finding and fixing those. What about some of the free stuff, like just exercise alone just increasing BDNF, getting the movement, getting the blood going. I mean that’s huge.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Evan Brand: I mean exercise has change my life.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I would say that the BDNF, the Brain Derived Neurotropic Factor really helps with mood, helps with healthy, uhm— myelination, improvement of brain building uh—keep staying away from grains is really important because that can decrease blood flow up the garden hose. It’s called the carotid artery to the brain. If we decrease blood flow, we’re gonna, one, not be able clear out inflammation as well. We’re also not gonna be able to bring oxygen and nutrition to help the brain, too. So gluten is a big one. I would say, of course, your amino acid, serotonin 5 HCPL tyrosine, of course, B6 is really important. And if we’ve got bacterial imbalances that will affect B6. Also, healthy probiotics can help with gut inflammation. Remember inflammation in the gut will create inflammation in the brain. So healthy levels of Lactobacillus, bifida bacter, probotics will help cool down inflammation in the gut, which may help decrease some of that that glial site activation in the brain, which again is—is an inflammatory cell in the brain. It’s a white blood cell that it’s in the brain called the glial cells and when those get activated, it can create uhm—brain fog and it can also create mood issues, too.

Evan Brand: Oh, I wanna go back to the diet piece. So there is a piece of literature out there, a study of 9,700 vegetarians including some vegans, they were twice as likely to suffer from depression as meat eaters even after adjusting for variables such as job status, family history, and number of children. And then it goes on to talk about the lower intake of omega-3 fats, B12 and folate, which all can affect depression risk. Uhm—so on that note of the Omega 3’s, yeah, DHA, fish oil supplement could be helpful, but also, you’ve got pastured meats. You know, grass-fed beef alone contains so much more Omega threes than your standard typical low-quality meat. So, that is a really, really good piece of the puzzle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Uhm— definitely getting 3 to 4 servings, 4 ounces of healthy fish per week is gonna be great, wild Alaskan, sockeye, skipjack tuna, you know, kinda  high selenium to low mercury type of fish. You can just google that, high selenium to low mercury fish. It’s typically the higher ones are gonna be like the uhm— the shark pilot whale, those things, swordfish are gonna be much higher in mercury to selenium. Skipjack’s gonna be great. Wild Alaskan sockeye is gonna be great. Cod, Haddock, Sole. These are all gonna be higher selenium, lower Mercury. That’s great. And if you want to be on top of it more, you can do your 2 to 4 g of fish oil per day is excellent. That will have EPA and DHA in it.  You know the ones like my Omega supreme has lipase in it. It’s also a triglyceride form, so it’s better absorbed, number one. LS oxidation, number two. And then the actual lipase will help you break it down in case there’s some fatty acid, you know, the digestion uh— digestive compromise things going on in there, too.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Well said. If you’re buying fish oil supplements, people, if it smells fishy, throw that stuff out. It’s garbage. It’s ethyl ester form. If you go to Target, Walgreens, uh— any of these big box stores and you’re buying fish oil, it’s crap. Do not waste your money. Buy professional grade supplement. Check out Justin’s site, justinhealth I’ve also got one, evanbrand Just look us up. Find our stores. And we’ve got good fish oils because if you’re not doing professional grade, you’re wasting your money and there’s actually literature now that if it is an oxidized rancid fish oil, you’re actually creating more inflammation when the whole goal is to suppress inflammation and help depression. You’re making it worse if  you’re doing the low-quality like a Kirkland’s or a Costco or Sam’s Club or these big box uhm—fish oils, vitamin Shoppe, GNC. All those guys. That’s all consumer grade. It’s all ethyl ester. That’s not good. You want triglyceride.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.  And Teresa mentions a low T3. So if you have low thyroid levels, poor T4 to T3 conversion, right? Or lower thyroid or active fiber hormone T3 or tri iodo thyronine, that’s important. Low thyroid can create mood issues. It can create depression. So we’d want to get to the root cause of why the thyroid is low. It could be just a combination of an autoimmune issue driven by gluten and other infections it could be a nutrient conversion issue like selenium and vitamin A, copper, zinc, magnesium. It also could be uhm—you know, gut bacteria issue. It could also be a stress issue like cortisol, right? So adrenal function has major effects on mood, too. If the adrenals are hyper or hypo functioning, there could be some mood issues there. It could be fatigue, it could be anxiety, it could be depression, it could be a combination of all three. Typically, anxiety and depression tend to come together. Some people can have them just individually where they are either anxious or depressed. But some people they tend to ebb and flow between the two.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. So if you have thyroid problems, you’ve got to investigate the gut, you’ve got to investigate the adrenals. We talk about that, but we can never stop talking about it because your conventional doc is not bringing this up. When you go there and you show up slightly off with your TSH, they’re not gonna say, “Hey, maybe you have gut infections. It’s causing conversion problems. Maybe you have adrenal problems that’s messing up your conversion of active thyroid hormone.” They’re not gonna say that. So we have to keep talking about it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent. And so outside of that, yeah, Tessa makes a note,
“Hey, I don’t have a  thyroid.” Then you really have to make sure you’re on a full-spectrum thyroid glandular and your T3 levels are at a therapeutic level, at least above 3.0 for T3 free. Ideally, I’ll make sure T4 is above 1.0  That’s a really good starting point. And then James mentions, “What about Olympian labs omega-3 fish oil?” I’m not quite sure. It could be good, it may not. Typically, you get what you pay for. Number one, you want to make sure it’s a triglyceride form. Number two and ideally you want to make sure it’s in, you know, this is like a plus, like I , add in the lipase coz I have worked with a lot of patient that have compromised guts and I want to make sure they can break the fish oils down well. So that is another important component.

Evan Brand: Yeah I’m looking at it right now. I can’t find any information about whether that brand is a triglyceride form or not. So I’ll keep digging and see if I could find it. But, Justin and I were biased because we want people to get better. We have to actually follow up with our clients and speak with them. And if they’re not getting better that comes back on us. And so we really want to use and we always use the highest quality professional grade formulas, which tend to have tighter quality control and better certain—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And also just better potency, too. I remember  I had some issues in the supply chain because some of the nutrients that we were getting, were testing positive with some—some metals and some other not—not so nice compounds. So they sent it back to the manufacturer. So the nice thing is we’re always trying to look and make sure there’s no other contaminations where let’s say a lesser quality company may just say, “look the other way and just let it go.” So we’re trying to put that quality control on it to ensure that there is not to be any extra crap in it that could throw you off, so to speak.

Evan Brand: Yes. So I ended up on the Olympia labs website here for this fish oil. It looks like and this is just to cheap, right? So if you see something for 30 bucks for a 120, that— it just sounds too cheap already. So to me, that tells me not gonna be triglyceride form. I read the entire description. I don’t see one word that includes a triglyceride form. So to me, it’s ethyl ester. You could always contact them and say, “Hey, is it up ethyl ester triglyceride?” But I’m gonna bet a hundred bucks that it’s gonna be ethyl ester which is inferior. You don’t want to put that in your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. But again, if you’re doing three or four servings of 4 ounces of fish a week, you may not even need fish oil. Uh—again, if you have extra inflammation, or extra brain stuff going on, cognitive stuff, mood stuff, then I would recommend supplementing it. Just so you get extra bit on top of it. Just to ensure that you know, what you’re getting is getting to where it needs to go. Is there anything else you want to add, Evan, about depression or mood stuff regarding functional medicine here?

Evan Brand: I think that’s it. We hit the gut, we hit the adrenals, we hit the thyroid aminos, liver function, digestive, anti-inflammation. I think we’ve hit all, man.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. Well, hey,  great talk today. We’re doing some quicker podcast so we can get more content out there to everyone. Hope you appreciate it.  If you enjoy it, give us a thumbs up. Subscribe. Click on the bell now. With YouTube, they make it so you don’t get a lot of the notifications of new videos and new content unless you are subscribed and you hit the bell. So click on that bell. Do it for Evan’s channel as well and myself. That way, you can get all this really good spoon-fed information for you guys to continue to improve your health and your friends and family health, too.

Evan Brand: Yup. If you need to reach out for a consult with Dr. J or myself, go to Justinhealth.com Evanbrand.com You can schedule consult with this. We’ll help you via phone and Skype. We work with people worldwide. We’ll help you get tested, get to the root cause. So look us up. Book a call if you need help. Don’t try to piece it together for suffering. We’re here for you. So have a great day. Take Care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Thanks, Evan. Take Care.

 


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Low Body Temperature! – Dr. J Live Podcast # 156

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand engage in a very informative discussion about low body temperature. Learn how different potential stressors like thyroid issues, adrenal issues, gut health, autoimmune conditions, nutrition and low calories cause low body temperature. Find out about the role of micronutrients in thyroid hormone conversion and be aware of the medications that have a negative impact on mitochondrial function.

Gain information about the different foods, including modifications in macronutrients, and various supplements, which will improve your health and prevent different stressors that are possibly causing low body temperature.

In this episode, we cover: low body temperature

03:27   Thyroid issues

07:05   Beneficial Nutrients

14:14   Toxins and Medications

22:51   Food and Supplements

33:46   Calorie Intake

 

 

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live here on YouTube. It’s Dr. J in the house. Evan, my man, how are you doing brother?

Evan Brand: Hey man, happy Monday! We’re talking all fair about that shooting this morning so my mom, she worked right next door last night at the Hotel Luxor which was uh— right next door to that shooting event in Vegas. So I called her this morning and she’s safe and sound and she got released, so she’s home, hopefully sleeping. I’m sure she’s extremely adrenally stressed at this point, but hopefully she’s resting and settling down from all that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Lots of empathy for all the people out there going through that. It must be just incredibly stressful.

Evan Brand: It’s insane.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s just so difficult. So wishing everyone, you know, speedy recovery from that. That is just so difficult and man, everyone’s adrenals are revved up from that, right?

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s go into some stuff here where people, we would get— put some information out there about improving everyone’s health.

Evan Brand: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh—and just continue to empower more people. So let’s dig in, brother.

Evan Brand: Yes. Yes, so you and I want to chat about low body temperature, which is something that so many people have. I’ve had it in the winter for a long time. I’m hoping that since I work so much, my gut and my adrenals that I don’t have it this winter but cold hands, cold feet you know that had been something that I mentioned going on with me for—for several years. I know there’s a lot of different causes that you and I wanted to go through. So how should we open this thing? Should we talk about hormones, thyroid, how do you want to lay the groundwork?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, we look at body temperature. Temperature is probably one of the best indicators of your metabolism, right? Because the more energy you have, typically the— the better your temperature is. And so typically, you’re gonna have symptoms of cold temperature which are gonna be cold hands, cold feet those kind of things. Also, fatigue, but now there’s also objective ways that we can test your temperature. You know, with the thermometer, obviously. We can do axillary temperature, which is armpit. 97.8 to 98.2 is—is Fahrenheit is a pretty good range to be in. Or 98.2 to 98.6 orally. And so you can kind of assess your temperature. You can do it in the morning and then you can also do it in the afternoon as well. Kinda do it just for before eating. That gives you a pretty good indication but if your metabolism is low and your temperature is low, it could be caused by an interplay of different things. We’ll go into it. It could be thyroid issues. It could be adrenal issues. It could be gut issues. It could be nutrient issues. It could be mitochondrial issues. So all of these things are potential stressors that could be driving that problem.

Evan Brand: I’d say number one is probably thyroid issues. Wouldn’t you suspect because so many people we talk with they have adrenal issues with them on top of that there is a thyroid problem. Like maybe elevated reverse T3, whether you’ve got that blank bullet going on or they just got a low free T3 or like you and I’ve chatted about with adrenals, you’ve got the conversion process that happens where you take the inactive T4 hormone, you convert that to active T3.That conversion process gets messed up if you’ve got chronic stress. And chronic stress as you mentioned, could be gut infections, it could be emotional stress, could be chemical, heavy metals. It could be circadian rhythm stress if you’re working third shift, for example. That could be enough to change this whole cascade. Wouldn’t you say?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. I mean, again, all of those things can be intimately connected. The first we look at is thyroid because thyroid hormone has a major effect on our metabolism. And our metabolism is the sum of all chemical reactions in the body. And our metabolism is pH driven, right? So if our pH becomes too alkaline or too acidic, like you know blood pH, which exists in a very fine-tune range, right around 7.35+ or -1/10 of point there. And if that pH shifts up or down, that can affect how all of our enzymes in our bodywork. So that can affect temperature and there’s things like—uh like a diabetic coma, right? Where blood sugar can go to he— or too low typically. If someone’s type I dependent and they don’t have insulin, they don’t get sugar into their cell, which can create ketoacidosis. And that can really, really drop that pH and that put you into a coma. So our pH is very driven and has a major effect on our metabolism, so, totally.

Evan Brand: So let’s hit on—let’s hit on the thyroid peace. Now autoimmunity is something we talk about so much. Would you say a common symptom of someone with Hashimoto’s, for example, could be low body temperature or possibly even a fluctuating. Maybe their low body temperature if they’re a bit underperforming but then couldn’t they just bounce right back and get actually hot if they bump into hyperthyroid. If they’re in the Hashimoto’s state, and things are still fluctuating.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. So, if you’re having Hashimoto’s and your immune systems constantly attacking your thyroid, your thyroid hormone can spill.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz every time it’s attacked, hormone spills out. Eventually those follicles run dry and you’re not gonna quite have that hyper kind of symptoms. So in an acute attack, hyper symptoms may be increased temperature are common, right? You can have like PVC’s periventricular contractions. Uh—you can have, you know, kinda this—kinda heart palpitations. Your heart’s kinda beating erratic and hard, uh—anxiety, night sweats, irritability. These are all hyper thyroid symptoms. You feel warming, right? You feel excessive warmth or temperature. But then, in a chronic state, that will eventually lead to a hypothyroid kind of environment, where your body temperature just gets very low.

Evan Brand: So someone has had Hashimoto’s for quite some time, let’s say there’s been a pretty significant tissue destruction, you would say someone will not end up being hyper long-term with Hashimoto’s. It’d probably be hypo long-term.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean you can—hyper feels very similar. Hyperthyroid Grave’s feels very similar to a hypothyroid autoimmune attack. The difference is with hyper, typically, there’s a specific antibodies or immunoglobulin compounds that come back. So with Grave’s, you’re seeing TSI immunoglobulins or you’re seeing thyroid TSH receptor site antibodies. So that’s what’s typically common in Grave’s. And when those things are high, it’s accelerating the thyroid hormone to produce excessive amounts of thyroid hormone. So there’s like a production stimulation where with the autoimmune attack, from like thyroglobulin antibodies or TPO antibodies is it’s more the spilling of a thyroid hormone out of the thyroid. It’s spilling out where the antibody attack from Grave’s, it’s stimulating the thyroid to produce more.

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: With Hashimoto’s, you’re not getting the stimulation. You’re more or less getting that spilling effect, which eventually, you know, will run dry.

Evan Brand: Got it. Got it.  Okay. So we hit the autoimmune piece. What else would go on thyroid-wise that will be an issue with temperature regulation?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, again, there’s also certain nutrients that have a major effect on thyroid uh—conversions. So we know things like selenium are super important for thyroid conversion. So someone may have decent thyroid levels from a T4 perspective, uh— but they may not have that activation, right? They may not have that conversion uhm— that’s so important.

Evan Brand: So could it just be the lack of trace nutrients, trace mineral selenium, zinc— things like that activators.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So here, we are live on Facebook now, too with the low body temperature podcast. So getting back onto our common thread. Yeah, micronutrients like selenium are gonna be important for thyroid conversion. It’s a five—the enzyme that converts T4 to T3 inactive thyroid hormone to active thyroid hormone is a 5 deiodinase enzyme. It’s also important with glutathione and detoxification. So, yeah, that’s totally uh— important micronutrient that will affect thyroid activations. So when we look at thyroid function, we’re looking at are there blood sugar fluctuations? Are you eating grains or foods that are gonna cause that thyroid antibody attack that could cause the hormones to spill out and eventually deplete the hormones? Your thyroid follicles carry about four months of thyroid hormone. So again, if you have a chronic Hashimoto attack, where the thyroid hormone’s spilling out faster than you can synthesize and make more, then you’re going to definitely get to that depletion state where you’re gonna go hypo from a temperature standpoint. You’re gonna go almost hypothermic. That temperature will drop below that 97.8 – 98.2 armpit temperature wise or 98.2 to 98.6 and I’ll put a handout down below to my uh— metabolic temperature handout. So people can actually track their temperatures and it’s basically a graph of three different lines. And then the top brackets where you want your temperature to be through which ranges 97.8 – 98.6 We want to be checking off daily that your temps are in this bracket not the bottom or the very bottom.

Evan Brand: Got it. Okay. So what else? Should we talk about the nutrients next?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Should we talk about the nutrients, right? Vitamin A, we talked about uh— zinc, copper, selenium, magnesium very important nutrients for thyroid conversion. Now if you’re eating a whole food diet, you’re gonna be typically pretty good. If you’re having enough HCl and enzymes, you’re gonna be good as well because we need those type of compounds to be able to ionize the minerals. So it’s the diet component. It’s making sure we have the ability to break down the foods in our diet that are nutrient dense. Uhm— number three is making sure our stress response is okay because stress hormones will affect thyroid conversion. Cortisol being hyper— very high— will affect thyroid T4 to T3 conversion that inactive to active thyroid hormone. Also, if cortisol is too lo from chronic stress. So there’s this, kinda Goldilocks effect that we see here with thyroid hormone kinda need it to be not too high, but not too low to have optimal conversion. Does that makes sense?

Evan Brand: Yeah. It does. Well said. Let me mention about the gut, too, coz you just hit on the fact that you’ve got to have absorption. So even if the diet’s good, which many people listening to us, they probably already dialed in like a Paleo template but they could still have this symptom. You may want to check for infections. Coz like Justin and I talk about almost every week at some level, there could be an H. pylori, bacteria, yeast, fungus, something going on in the gut that’s stealing your nutrients or preventing you from optimally digesting. And then that issue is compounded, if you’ve been taking any type of anti-acid where acid blocking medication something simple as Tom’s or something more strong like a prior was it Prilosec or Zantac.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So, yeah. Totally.

Evan Brand: Keep that in mind. If you’re looking at your medication list and that includes acid blockers and you have cold body temperatures, it’s probably cause you’re not digesting your foods therefore the thyroid is not getting fed the nutrients it needs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Totally. And also a lot of medications could affect your mitochondria. Just Google antibiotics and mitochondrial function, you’ll find that antibiotics can negatively impact mitochondrial function. And you’ll also find that other medications can impact the mitochondria. And the mitochondria is like the little powerhouse of your cell where it generates a lot of ATP, which is that currency of energy in which your body runs. So that’s really important and also an important nutrient call carnitine really helps that mitochondria utilize fat for energy, generate ATP out of that good fat, you know, it’s called uh—beta oxidation where you’re generating energy from fat. And carnitine is an important nutrient primarily made from methionine and lysine. Now, I did a video call why vegan and vegetarian diets can make you fat? Now—no—don’t make you fat. But you know, why they the can—meaning it’s not a hundred percent. But if you’re insulin resistant and you’re doing it the wrong way, where you’re emphasizing maybe too much carbohydrates, not enough protein and more gut irritating foods, yeah, it can definitely predispose people that have an inflamed guts and work more on the insulin resistance side to gain weight. And one of the big things is that when you eat certain animal rich amino acids, there are some plant ones as well, you activate the cells in the brain that are called—hold on, one __my notes—uh—tenocytes. And these tenocytes are receptor sites in the brain in the third ventricle area of the brain. And there’s a direct blood flow between them and the hypothalamus. These tenocytes, one, they sense satiety but the big thing that senses satiety for them is arginine and lysine which are really high in animal-based foods. So these amino acids really get that sense of satiation so that means you’re one, gonna have appetite regulation. Coz when you actually start feeling full, you tend to not eat all the crap, right?

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So the more you can keep your cravings in check, the more you eat healthier foods because you got control over your biochemistry. You’re not reacting. You’re acting based on what you know you need to be healthy. But those amino acids are primarily gonna be higher in animal-based foods especially lysine as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Well said.  So in a roundabout way, if you are a vegetarian or a vegan and you’ve got low body temperature, it could just be something as simple as a carnitine deficiency. I mean you could probably get a little bit in beans maybe—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A little bit in beans, a little bit in almonds, a little bit in plums and avocados, for sure.

Evan Brand: But even then, once we talked like—we talked all the time, digestion of those foods is probably not very good and the concentration of those is gonna be much less as opposed to a grass-fed beef.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. In my video, I talked about, you know, if you are a smart vegan where you’re not emphasizing a lot of the grains, you’re doing safer starches, you’re getting lots of fats from avocado, olive oil, coconut oil, you’re supplementing DHEA in the form of algae, right? And if you’re getting B12 uh—supplementation and you’re getting a good multi- in there and you’re getting lots of— you’re getting some protein supplementation in there, maybe from pea or hemp, right? You may be okay on a vegan-vegetarian diet, but it’s just— it’s still less than optimal just because of the fact that you gotta go through such extreme lengths to get high-quality protein sources without all the carbohydrate. Coz vegetarian-vegan diet’s typically are packed with 60 to 80% carbohydrates for that 20 to 25% of protein you get.

Evan Brand: Yup.  Well said. You hit on the mitochondria, too. We should take  that a bit further and talk about more toxins. You hit on antibiotics, some mitochondrial issues there. Makes perfect sense. We work with people all the time where they say, “Oh Justin or Evan, as soon as I took a round of antibiotics, all of a sudden things went bad.” And it could be temperature –temperature issues, it could be sleep problems, it could be gut issues, digestive problems. And so also with mitochondrial issues, we’ve got toxins. So if you’re not using 100% organic, that’s an issue because glyphosate and these other pesticides and herbicides, fungicides and insecticides— they all compound with each other. So it’s not that one chemical by itself will kill you, but if you get a little bit of glyphosate from your non-organic berries, you combine that with a little bit of conventional vegetables coz you did a salad at a restaurant, you combine that with in antibiotics that you’re getting from meat. If it’s not labeled “no antibiotics” you stock all those upon each other, you’ve got some bad mitochondrial problems here that you need to fix. And we can measure the—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. The enzymes that are needed to help move those gears that  kinda crank around that mitochondrial Krebs cycle and then flow in so the beta oxidation process. Uhm— you need certain nutrients. You need B vitamins, you need magnesium, you need zinc, the healthy levels of amino acids. You also don’t need all the toxins— the aluminum, the pesticides, the glyphosate. So those things can kinda gunk up the gears of that metabolic machinery. So it’s not only what those gears need to keep it lubricated, but what it is we don’t need to put in that will prevent those gears moving. So it’s a combination of avoiding certain things, right? And again, the medications are a double-edged sword. I’m not saying don’t use them. I’m saying just really make sure they’re— they are prescribed specifically for what you need. And it’s the last case kind of thing with antibiotics. We really want to go to herbs and botanical nutrients over antibiotics. They may have a time or place, but we want to use it only when we’ve exhausted other options.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Well said. And you and I were talking off air, we can quantify a lot of this stuff, too. So you’re talking about measuring your temperature. We can quantify what’s going on in the gut, right? We can test the gut, we can test the thyroid with—with blood using functional reference ranges and using functional numbers that conventional doctors don’t use. They’re only going to detect disease. We’re going to detect the issues before disease occurs. We’re gonna look into the gut so we could test you for infections. We could test the adrenals, look at your free cortisol rhythm so the uh— HPA axis, the hypothalamus, pituitary adrenal axis, you hear us talk about, you know, that is a factor in all of this. If your brain is not connecting the signal to the adrenals and adrenal to the thyroid, that whole system gets often chronic stress. And it’s up to us to figure out when we talk about stress what’s in that bucket. Is it just your job, your bad boss, your relationship, the divorce you’re going through? Is it that stuff only or is that stuff plus chemicals in the diet, plus nutrient deficiencies, plus infections, plus not having enough quality meat in the diet.  You see how these things can all add up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And just to kinda look at the thyroid component again, there’s dysregulation up top where the TSH is either high extreme, higher extreme, low. Now it can be extremely low because you’re on thyroid hormone and the body needs more thyroid hormone. The body is sense— sensing more thyroid hormone in the brain, but there’s less than the actual tissues. So that you’re keeping the thyroid hormone higher, but that’s keeping the TSH low. That’s step one. The TSH may be low because of HPAT access dysregulation. That hypothalamus pituitary and that adrenal thyroid axis. There’s some kinda short-circuits happening in there because of the stress— the emotional stress, because of the physical stress, because of the chemical stressors. And we have to address those while we support the nutrients to get this hardwire back on track. We can also have low T4 levels. Coz if T4 is low, we’re gonna have low T3 over here. So we got to make sure the nutrients for T4 in there like I mentioned before the vitamin A, the zinc , the copper, magnesium, selenium, uhm— amino acids, tyrosine and potentially iodine. As long as we know that there’s not uh— autoimmune attack that’s the lease active going on. And then number three, after that, we let see how the T4 to T3 conversion is. If T4 is good, how does T3 conversion look? Is it this big drop off? Or also is there a very high amount of reverse T3 because of that stress? All those can make a big difference. And then one person ask here—James asks, “Well, is hypothyroid and hyperthyroid hypo and hyper kind of the same for treatment?” Yes and no. With hyperthyroid from a TSI thyroid stimulating immunoglobulin or TSH receptor antibody attack, we’re more concerned about coz it tends to be more chronically high which can increase the chance of a thyroid storm and then potentially a stroke. So we take that very seriously. We refer that patient out to their medical doctor uh—for monitoring. We don’t want—we wanna make sure there’s not a stroke going on. But typically, the treatment will be, you know, PTU. Uhm—basically  uh—propylthiouracil or methimazole. Things to basically block iodine uptake to make thyroid hormone. Or though— you know, typically, go to a thyroid radioactive thyroid kind of ablation or even a thyroidectomy. I’ve had patients where we’ve been able to avoid those because we give nutrients to help modulate the thyroid response and modulate the autoimmune response like carnitine, like blue flag, like lemon balm, melissa uhm—into certain adaptogens. They could also help kinda dampen that response. There are some protocols that even show higher amounts of iodine can block that sodium uhm— iodine’s import that transfers iodine into the thyroid. So there’s a couple of different protocols you can use to help. And of course, all of the diet and lifestyle things are the same. But we take the Grave’s autoimmune attack a little bit more seriously just because of the repercussions of it not being treated appropriately, what will happen, we really want to sidestep those.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. So get the TPO antibodies checked. Get your eTG antibodies checked, you talk about the TSI. Now, have you seen where TPO TG would be high at the same time as TSI? Where it’s gonna look like Hashimoto’s and Grave’s at the same time?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It could. I’ve seen it before.  Yeah. It definitely can. So get—we’re  gonna really get patients on an autoimmune protocol to help lower any autoimmune attack from the food, from the gluten, from the leaky gut. And we’ll also work on blood sugar stability coz high and low blood sugar fluctuations have a major effect on the immune system.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Now another person asked here, the reason why you know I’m such a huge fan of how we do our podcast is coz it’s literally on the go and we’re infusing questions from people on YouTube here right into the conversations. So it’s like—remember those books you read when you’re like a kid and you read it and it’s like, “Oh, if you want the character to do this, turn to this page. If you want the character to do this, turn to this page.”  You can totally change how the book goes.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, it’s kind how our podcast are. So interjecting here uhm—, Gerald asked, “What about T3? How does T3 work?”  Well number one, T3 can just help support low T3 levels. And if there’s some kind of conversion issue, that can kinda biased time to fix the conversion aspect, number one. Number two, giving that T3 in the Wilson protocol uhm— that can have some effect on clearing out the receptor sites. So that now the T3 works better and binds better uhm— in the future. You can do that by starting low and then tapering up, holding it and then tapering it back down. In the Wilson protocol, Dr. Dennis Wilson does that with time-released T3. But we do a glandular’s in it. That can still be helpful as well. We’re using that as a way of clearing out the receptor site but were also not, you know, thinking that that’s gonna be the only issue. We’re also banking that there’s other things that we’re gonna be fixing that will allow it to be a long-term solution, right?

Evan Brand: Got it. So you’re saying the thyroid glandular’s can be used for low—a low  T3 situation.  That’s the fix that’s going to get you better enough to keep moving the needle in other departments.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. Like in my line, we have Thyro Balance which is a—a really glandular uhm—nutrient thyroid support from a glandular perspective. And then we have that we have Thyro Replete which is nutrients for the conversion. So there’s some herbs that help with conversion like coleus forskohlii and ginseng and then we have the nutrients for conversion that I mentioned—the vitamin A, magnesium, copper, zincs, selenium—all of those—and tyrosine’s. We wanna make sure all those are in there. Uhm so we hit it from all angles. I mean if we knew exactly what that missing like nutrient component was, we could hit it more practically. But it’s too difficult to do that.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’re better off using multiple methods to hit it. That way the patient can get better faster.

Evan Brand: Agreed. And you mention the adaptogens. I’m so glad you did. We use those all the time. I take them every day in some shape or form, whether it’s ashwaganda, holy basil, shoshandra. There are so many options and people ask, “Well, can I just take a bunch of adaptogens and fix myself?” Uhm— it doesn’t work like that. You just want to use them as one piece of your toolbox. You still want to be getting to the root cause. So adaptogens are life-changing but if there’s root causes, you can take all the adaptogens in the world and it won’t fix you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m gonna take my ashwaganda right now—

Evan Brand: Perfect.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A little bit of immune support. But I mean, like yeah, if you’re doing okay and you’re like, “Hey, Dr. J and Evan talked about some ashwaganda and some of these nutrients. I want to try it out.” Fine, go ahead.  But if you’re actively having issues that are you know, the symptoms that we mention here whether it’s on the hyper or hypo side, you really want to get someone on board to help guide you because it’s never just one magic bullet. It is—it’s a whole bunch of things that we’re doing together. And the more chronic it is, the more you have a you know, that momentum working against you. You got overcome that inertia to stop that— that snowball effect and start pushing it back uphill. So, yeah, if you’re in pretty good shape, fine you know just try some of these things. But if you’re in not so good shape, you want to reach out, for sure.

Evan Brand: Yep. Cool. Oh, we got time for one more question. Uh James said, “It’s not a thyroid question.” He’s taking an antibiotic for root canal this week. “Will this affect the result of organic acids test and stool test if he collects the samples while antibiotics are still in the system?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean if we’re doing some of the genetic base testing, it shouldn’t have an effect on it. If we’re doing a stool base to antigen-based testing, then it would.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you should be okay but we’re doing the G.I. map which is you know, what my go-to is. It should be okay according to the lab. I try to avoid it— doing it. So I would say in a perfect world, if it’s not gonna delay your treatment, I would say get to the antibiotics give it like a day or two to let it wash out and then do it. But if uhm— timing doesn’t work out, just do it, get done.

Evan Brand: I would also look at Mercola root canals and read about those. I mean maybe you’re too far down the rabbit hole and you can’t avoid the root canal. But you know there are some other options you may have available if you’ve got a good biological Dennis maybe will sit down with you and say, “Okay, root canal’s option A but maybe there’s a option B C you could look at too because we’ve had a lot of people to come to us with infected root canals and maybe Jessica can speak on this a bit. But I’ve seen it as a big needle mover for people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. There’s a book by Ramiel Nagel that talks all about root canals. It is highly recommended. You take a look at it. Uh— fat-soluble nutrients, vitamin A, vitamin K are very helpful. Uh—oil pulling that kinda help extract any toxins that may be in there and you don’t want a root canal you want to get the tooth pulled out. Uhm— you want to get an implant put in using biologically appropriate material. You don’t want the gangrenous tissue still in the system without the blood flow. And the immune response to be able to get it is just a harboring place for a whole bunch of bacteria and viruses to hang out.

Evan Brand: Right. Yeah. Well said. So James, look into that. Maybe it’s not too late. Uh—hopefully, you’ve got some other options you can pursue it’d be much— much safer and much healthier in the long term. That way, you don’t have a hidden dental infection. There’s a guy named, Simon Yu that you and I should reach out and interview. He’s over in St. Louis he talks a lot about hidden dental infections. I think that’d be a good show.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. Absolutely. Hundred percent. So couple of things we wanna talk about. Oh, also carbohydrate, I think is important. Again, my bias is towards a lower carbohydrate template—Paleo template. And again, I hate the word “diet” because it assumes something is temporary and it assumes that it is fixed; where a template gives us flexibility and modification and may change day to day. It may change uh—meal to meal. I tend to be very lower carbohydrate my first two meals of the day and then after that, I may increase in carbohydrate at nights uhm—you know a bit of the starchy based. So I’m very strict during the day. It’s high-quality. It’s— set—it’s 60 to 70% fats, the only carbohydrates are vegetables and then good proteins and then I go higher at night. On the carbohydrates side, maybe a little bit of sweet potatoes and some butter and cinnamon or maybe I have a—some dark chocolate or have couple more berries than I normally would. So there’s that component. So I always go lower carbohydrate to start because so many people are insulin resistant just because of the fact that we eat too much carbohydrate and were inflamed. So I always go lower carbohydrate to start and then typically, patient will do be better and will feel better because insulin resistance can affect T4 to T3 thyroid conversion, which can cause lower temperature. Now, in the double edge side of the fence, if people go too low insulin, they may also get poor thyroid conversion as well. So just like I mentioned cortisol has a major effect on thyroid conversion. Well, guess what? Insulin has a major effect on thyroid conversion. Type I diabetics— guess what? With low insulin levels coz of the autoimmune attack to the beta cells of the pancreas, they have low body temperature. So if you go too low carbohydrate, and this is for certain individuals not everyone, I know people are gonna be like, “But I’m low carbohydrate and I felt great and it reverse my low temperature.” I get it. Again, there are exceptions to every rule. There are tall Chinese people that play basketball even though they are more shorter in the population. There are exceptions to everything, okay? We got to get that in. So yes, there are some people that a low carbohydrate diet, the majority I would say would help partly because our consumption of refined carbohydrate and sugar is higher, but there are some people when they’re chronically load, they may increase that carbohydrate just a bit. And that ups the insulin a little bit which then helps that thyroid conversion. They’re like, “ Dude, my hair started to grow back better, my temperature’s better, my energy is better.” Boom! You at least now figure it out for you. So exceptions to every rule, figure it out. And uhm—if you feel great going low-carb, great, keep it there, hang out. But if you start getting some of those hypo temperature symptoms, then we’ll just ratcheted up a little bit.  And I primarily ratcheted up starting at night.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: They’ll still get the benefit of keeping it lower carb during the day.

Evan Brand: Well said. I mean that’s me in a nutshell. I went very, very, very low-carb ketogenic, I guarantee. I was probably ketogenic most of the time and then I started to get cold and so I added in some starch with dinner and all of a sudden my body temperature’s perfect now. I feel good. So uh—if I go too low-carb again, it may come back or if there’s a huge piece of stress on my plate, the low body temperature may come back. But for now, I’ve been able to reverse this and been able to clear out all the infections with your help in terms of protocol a couple of years ago getting rid of all my gut bugs, plus supporting adrenals, getting the diet dialed in, getting my sleep improved, blacking out my room. All of those things are still important. So I hope this has been helpful. I gotta run. You’ve gotta run, too. Uhm—or are there any last questions that we could answer? I closed out the chat window. Uh there’s just one thing I want to say is it’s not about being higher carb or lower carb, have a –have a foundational template which you— which you go back to and then you can customize it. And then if you increase carbs, you can still get some of the benefits by having that first 20 hours of your meals relatively lower carb, higher fat, moderate protein and those last four hours you pop up a little bit and so you can still get some of those benefits. If you’re like, “Oh, I feel better with higher carbs.” You can still get the benefits of the first 20 hours of your day kinda in that ketogenic state and then pop up the carbohydrates later. So it’s not an either or thing. We can kinda straddle the fence but we want to customize it. I don’t give a crap if—if low-carb is your missing link and being low-carb all the time helps you, that’s what we’re gonna do. If being low-carb and a little more high carbohydrate helps you out, I don’t care. I’m all about the results and not about what tool I have to use to get the job done.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. For me that looks like the breakfast like a pastured sausage, maybe a handful of macadamias, maybe a handful of organic blueberries. Lunch—I  probably do some leftover steak and veggies like a big thing of broccoli with some butter. Dinner— that’s when I may do some type of pastured meat, a little bit of some veggies and then starch, so it could be a medium-size baked sweet potato, butter, cinnamon. That’s all it takes and I feel good. So just to kind of give people an idea what is that look like. That’s what it looks like.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. That’s great. And a couple of questions here. Uh— Stephanie talks about menopausal women with lower estrogen and a low estradiol vaginal tablets. Well, this is interesting because typically low estrogen can cause hot flashes. And why does that cause hot flashes? Because typically the FSH and the LH starts to rise in the pituitary which is that signaling hormone trying to yell to the ovaries to make more progesterone and estrogen. So when LH and FSH primarily FSH goes high, that can create some vasodilation effects and create the hot flashes. So by giving a little bit of thyroid—giving a little bit of uhm— female hormone support, we can drop down that FSH then we can also modulate the receptor sites with some herbs as well to help with how flashes. Whether we use maca, or  we use dong quia, or black cohosh or raspberry root, or shepherds purse. There’s different nutrients or herbs we can do to help modulate that. So again, you could still have hypo, low thyroid issues, but have menopausal issues because of the low estrogens, which could drive the hot flashes up. So it’s kind of a conundrum. The hot flashes may—may overshadow this low thyroid thing over here. So as we get the female hormones fixed, you may notice the low thyroid comes back later on because it’s just not a secondary issue and the primary issue is the menopause. Once that’s ruled out, now this one comes to the surface.

Evan Brand: Got it. Well said.  We should probably do a whole show just on low estrogen if we haven’t.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that’d be great. I mean, I see estrogen dominance is a big problem.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Where estrogen –the ratio of estrogen is higher than progesterone, right? So progesterone should be like this 25 to 125 times more than estrogen. But if that ratio starts to creep up where estrogen gets higher, that’s estrogen dominance. The problem is a lot of people, though, where that ratio—they’re estrogen dominant, progesterone’s slow but estrogen is also low. So they get this estrogen dominant, but also low estrogen sums at the same time. So it’s kinda like this conundrum. It’s like this little tug of war that’s happening there.

Evan Brand: Wow. Put it on this to do list. It sounds like it’s gonna be a fun one for us to dive into more. And I’ve probably got some stuff to learn from you on that topic as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think it’s great. Well any last questions, comments, or concerns, Evan?

Evan Brand: No. I think this has been good. People, you got to get the testing run because if you don’t test, you’ve guessed. So if you’re trying to figure this out on your own, even if you’re not working with Justin or myself, then get the test run. Find a functional medicine practitioner they can take care of you. We are accepting new clients, so if you do need help, feel free to reach out justin health.com evanbrand.com We run these labs on all of our clients because it’s the foundation. We’ve got to have the data. We’ve gotta have the puzzle pieces on the table; otherwise, you can’t move the needle. We could throw a bunch of random stuff at you might help, can’t hurt, but we want to get you better. There’s a systemic process that we do step by step by step to take you through this. So happy to help. Reach out if you got questions and thanks for tuning.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh! One last thing, man. I forgot to add.  This is so important. Low calories.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just not eating enough calories will cause low body temperature. It’s shown to cause a low level T3. Now this is important because if your diet is 25% crap Ola and let’s say you’re eating 2000 calories a day and then we switch you over— we switch you over to a uh— autoimmune kinda Paleo template, but you’re only able to—to—to switch over 75% of your diet because you don’t—you don’t have enough you—you can’t replace all the crap that you’re eating with the good stuff, right?

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because if you’re eating a whole bunch of crappy carbohydrates and stuff and then you replace it with a whole bunch of really good vegetables or lower sugar foods, well guess what? You’re probably didn’t replace the calorie amount either. So now you got this 25% calorie deficiency. So now instead of having 2000 calories, right? Now you’re having 1500 calories and maybe metabolically you need 2000 calories. Now you’re 500 calories in the hole which means your 500 calories deficient of various nutrients. So now your metabolism goes low coz there’s less fuel. That’s important. I see a lot. So you gotta  work with someone that really can make sure you’re exchanging the foods and you’re getting enough calories as well. Coz calories equal nutrition. if you’re eating real foods.

Evan Brand: I’m glad you mentioned that. That’s such a simple but common issue. If you’re going AIP, you are going Paleo, you’re eating real foods, you could have an entire plate full of broccoli and it may only be 50 calories.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Dude, great job. Way to kill it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And of course, the infections like you mentioned can really suck down the energy. Of course, acute infection, you know, you’re causing a fever, right? Because the immune system’s trying to up regulate itself because a lot of the bacteria and crap there uhm—they’re like—they’re mesophilic. They—they thrive in a medium temperature. So when you go a little bit higher, you can actually kill them off with a higher temperature. But these chronic bugs can really deplete the energy the body and create this kinda lower temperatures as well. For sure.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And I went—I went to low-calorie for a period of time, not intentionally, not on purpose. It just happened. I was eating meats, I was eating veggies and  I track my calories for a few days and I was eating m—and my activity level  and all that. I was probably 4 to 600 calories deficient. So just added in an extra tablespoon of butter here and there, half of an avocado here and there, handful of nuts and seeds. And I was right back up to where I needed to be.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Like here’s a seesaw right?

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So if like carbohydrate is here, if carbs go lower— this is fat over here. The fats have to go up.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you keep the fats here, you keep the fats on—on this side low, and drop the carbohydrates, that’s where the problem happens. The fats also have to go up. That’s the biggest issue. Proteins typically stay in the middle. Typically, proteins only go up if you’re doing a whole bunch of protein powders because proteins and fats are intimately connected. Uh so if you’re eating real whole foods, you know, it’s hard to get just proteins in whole foods, unless you’re doing maybe like venison or rabbit or like boneless chicken breast. But if you’re eating full fat foods, you’re gonna get fat. And then if you’re adding fats to your vegetables, you’re gonna get extra fat without the protein there as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So keep that at the back of your head.

Evan Brand: Perfect.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Anyone listening here, give us comments below. Give us some shares. Give us some likes. We want to hear thoughts in the comment section. If you’re listening to us on iTunes, that’s great. Click below and subscribe to our YouTube channel. You can see Evan and I’s mugs going back and forth in our little combos here. And then you can give us some comments below here on YouTube. We love the see the feedback. And Evan, hey man, you have a great day. We’ll talk soon.

Evan Brand: Take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care. Bye.

Evan Brand: Bye.

 


 

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Foundational Nutrients for Optimal Health – Dr. Justin Live Podcast # 155

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand dive into the topic of nutrients and their importance to our bodies. Listen to this podcast and learn how B vitamins, Magnesium, Vitamin C & D, Selenium, Zinc and Omegas contribute to achieving a healthy body. Understand how these vitamins and minerals support different bodily functions and gain an understanding on how their deficiencies affect our health and cause unfavorable symptoms.

Explore other topics related to nutrients as they answer questions about leaky gut, H.pylori and some blood pressure medications which contribute to nutritional deficiency. Know some of the best sources of supplements and product recommendations which have been proven effective based on their practice and professional experience.

In this episode, we cover:

09:00   B vitamins

11:25   Minerals + Magnesium

28:15   Vitamin C, Selenium

31:18   Zinc

33:10   Omegas

36:26   Vitamin D

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we’re back. It’s Dr. J here with Evan Brand, my man, how are we doing today?

Evan Brand: A happy Monday. If you’re watching in the future I guess the day doesn’t matter but for us it does.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I had a great weekend, man. I was doing a little waterskiing action today. It was phenomenal—actually yesterday, I’m sorry. Great, great day and back in the saddle for an awesome Monday. Got some patients coming up right after our live podcast. How about yourself man? Anything good happening for you?

Evan Brand: Uh—Actually, Yeah. I’m going to create a pretty cool piece of content as soon as you and I get off the call together, I’m gonna go eat some lunch and a I’m gonna drive about an hour away to a local hemp farm where there’s a guy who has a Kentucky hemp oil company that I’ve been seeing his products everywhere. His son was having a major seizure disorder. His son was having hundreds of seizures within a week. And he started to use cannabis extracts to help his son and now his son has not had seizures for years— several years. And so this guy he moved from Northern California where he was growing medical cannabis and now he’s just growing hemp in Kentucky and so I’m driving to the farm. I’ll probably end up doing a podcast with him coz I don’t think it’s gonna be easy to do it in the field, but I’m gonna  try to take my camera and puts— maybe a 45 minute little video together, try to interview him, get a little bit his story and share his products coz I’ve been using the CBD with my clients. And as you and I talk about with inflammation and the anti-anxiety benefits, you can pretty much use it with anyone. And it’s going to help regardless of the case whether it’s like Lyme or Hashimoto’s or H. pylori. Whatever we’re dealing with our clients, I mean we can pretty much use CBD across the board and we might notice some beneficial changes and it’s definitely not gonna hurt somebody. So looking forward to going to meet that guy. And stay tuned because I have a video probably the next week that’s gonna be published on it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Yeah. I think CBD has some really good benefits. I use on handful of patients for pain issues, for sleep issues, uh—for anxiety, just from immune balance. And I do fine. It’s— it’s very good. CBD or Cannabis Diol is the non-psychoactive component of marijuana or hamper cannabis, if you will. THC Tetrahydro Cannabis that’s gonna be the part of the marijuana that gets you high and kinda gives you the munchies. So you get some of those benefits with the CBD without the, you know, the higher the munchies afterwards. And I’ve seen it work very well with seizures like you mentioned, very well with autoimmune and pain stuff. I mean it can be very therapeutic. I don’t think it fixes the root cause but I do think it’s very, very therapeutic. It can help.

Evan Brand: Right. Well said. Yeah. Definitely not gonna fix the root cause but I’ve had some people too that are in California, other states where they can even get recreational cannabis and I tell people go for it if they asked me because if they’re doing a tincture or they’re doing a spray or sublingual, they’re not having to smoke, they’re not having to use a vaporizer if they just don’t want to get the high, there’s— there’s tons of different options where you can do a high CBD. And a very tiny amount of THC where people can help fix their sleep. I had a __ in California she’s had chronic pain. She’s had Lyme forever. She said if she does CBD by itself, does pretty much nothing; but when she adds just like a milligram, so do say, 10 to 50 mg CBD, 1 mg THC, all the sudden the synergistic effect happens and the pain goes away.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. They can be very helpful. It’s a good tool in your functional medicine uh— pockets, so to speak.

Evan Brand: Yup. Hey, Robert, thanks for joining us. James, thanks for rejoining us. Our topic, well, we figure we’ll do a Q&A but our topic initially is about foundational nutrients kind of what the things that are actually worth your time and money because Justin and I were so many people come to us after they’ve been to other functional medicine practitioners. And we’ve got a kind of clean up the mess and there’s like 20 or 30 or 40 supplements that people are taking. And we like to try to whittle that down to just some of the foundations. And some things people are taking might help and can’t hurt, but if you’re spending a thousand bucks or something crazy amount on supplements, we really want to give you the stuff that just gonna move the needle coz why take something if it’s not gonna do stuff for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And again, kinda foundation before we go in is a Paleo template to start. And again, that’s macronutrient agnostic. It could be high-carb, low-carb, high-fat, moderate fat, high-protein, moderate protein, right? So we’re just focusing on the anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, low toxin foods. That’s number one. And then from there, the next step above that is making sure we have the lifestyle stressors in order: sleep, hydration, uh—not eating when we’re really stressed, that’s number two. And number three is actually making sure we can digest the foods that we eat. We eat a really good diet but we can’t break it down. That’s the equivalent of going to the grocery store and leaving that food out on the counter, not putting it in the fridge for a week or two. It’s gonna rot. So the next step above that is HCL and enzymes and digestive nutrients so we can break those really good foods down. That’s our foundation. And once we have that, that’s where I think some of the nutrients come in. So with my patients, all of them, they’re on all either the Multi Nutrients Supreme or Multi support pack which has the extra, kinda stress handling nutrients that are gonna be in there which are gonna consist of high-quality B vitamins that are methylated or activated like P5P uhm—of course, like your B1, B2, right? Thiamine, riboflavin right? These are all—niacin—These are all important nutrients. Of course, activated LMTHF folate, of course, methylated B12 or some kind other adenosine hydroxy B12.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh—chelated minerals like calcium and magnesium and zinc and selenium, right? All chelated meaning they’re bound to specific amino acids, so that we can have better absorption. When we have an amino acid, kind of uhm—they’re next to it, it’s like an escort or a bodyguard for that nutrient to get where it needs to go in the body, if you will.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. A lot of these nutrients people are—I’m hearing feedback. What’s going on your end? Maybe your speakers are a bit loud.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’m good on my end. I don’t hear anything here.

Evan Brand: You don’t? Okay. Leave us a comment in the YouTube if people hear the feedback at all, if you hear my voice echoing. A lot of people are so deficient in nutrients, even with an organic diet. And that is something that you and I see and measure on the stool test and then we see and measure that on the organic acids test, too. You know we’ve got a lot of people that come to us because they’ve heard us talking about like a ketogenic diet or some other high-fat diet. But then we can measure something called the steatocrit on the stool test. And so, if people wanna quantify, “Well how am I actually digesting”, “What can you guys teach me about my nutrients?” and “My diet’s perfect, I’m one of those guys, I want to try to fix everything with diet”, well, we can take a look and see if that’s actually working for you. So if we see steatocrit that’s high, that’s a fecal fat marker. You can look at your stool, of course, but it’s better to have a number. And if we see that your fecal fat marker’s high, well, we know we’ve got to give you some good fat digesting enzymes, help out the pancreas help out the gallbladder. And then also on the organic acids panel, we’re going to look at the amino acid markers, so we can see do you have the raw breakdown materials? Coz your proteins—like your animal proteins and pastured animal products—those are all made of amino acids. That’s like the breakdown products. Stuff like those and that’s what fuels your brain chemicals, your neurotransmitters and so, if we see you’re super low on amino acids, that’s a problem. So we have to fix it.

And like you mentioned, why is it happening? Well could be infections like Robert is  uh— he’s a left us a comment here. He is talking about that he’s had Blasto, he’s had Klebsiella, he’s had Citrobacter—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: He’s resolved a lot of his infections through Dr. J’s uh—antimicrobials,  which is awesome. I guarantee you are getting robbed for a long time of your—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. 100% So the first thing is, right, we have that kind of diet. So think of like your health is like running a business. So every year that you’re unhealthy is like a business, right, having more expenses than its profit, right? Where then its revenue— gross revenue, right? So you’re going a little bit more into debt, a little bit more into debt. The difference is you don’t go into bankruptcy court, right, and go bankrupt. You have symptoms. And those symptoms eventually may lead into a cluster of diseases or pathology whether it’s diabetes or it’s just obesity or maybe it’s cancer or heart disease or you’re just in this in between where you kinda have chronic fatigue, you don’t feel good, you’re kind of depressed.  And then you’re in this in between where you go to the doctor and they’re just like, “Oh yeah, you’re just aging.” or “Here’s an antidepressant.” or “It’s all in your head.” And then you’re stuck with these kinda in between kind of diagnoses where you’re not— you don’t have a disease, but you sure don’t feel good and you’re not getting any answers, right?

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So that’s kinda the big thing that we see. So we’re like, alright, so imagine that that’s the equivalent of business $1 million in debt. Well just because you start having good business practice and start pulling a profit, you gotta now make above and beyond that million before you start coming back in the black. So that’s where it’s really good for some of these supplements to come in because they kinda, you know, act like a mini bailout or a mini—a mini business loan to kind of bring you back in the balance. So things like B vitamins are great because you burn these up when you’re stressed. And if you have a lot of dysbiotic bacteria, these cre— the good bacteria produce healthy amounts of B vitamins. If you have a lot of bad bacteria, you’re not getting the B vitamins and you’re also getting a lot of toxins, too, which create leaky gut and create more stress and cause you to burn B vitamins and also creates a lot of lactic acid which eats a lot of your B vitamins. So B vitamins are really important first step. And we have B vitamins like B1, which is Thiamine or B2, which is Riboflavin or B3, which is Niacin and B6, which is Pyridoxine 5 Phosphate or Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, B9, which is Folate, uhm—B 12, which is amino, B12, right? Uhm—Methylcobalamin Hydroxyl  Adenosyl Cobalamin, right? These are important B vitamins especially if you’re a vegetarian. B12 is gonna be one of those that you’re missing. So any comments, Evan, on the B vitamins and how important they are.

Evan Brand:  Yes, sir. Absolutely. And I’m gonna address Robert’s question at the same time answering uh—or adding a comment. He said “Can these infections result in high homocysteine levels?” The answer is absolutely yes and there’s a journal that I’ll send over to Justin so we can put it in the show notes. It was American family physician was the literature but it was an article all about vitamin B12 deficiency and basically what happens is whether it’s H. pylori or like they even talk about in this article which is surprising coz most conventional medical people they kinda disregard parasites, but it’s talking about the link between parasites and B12 deficiency and then the link between B12 deficiency in elevated homocysteine levels. So, yes, we may give you some type of supplement, It’s gonna have the B12 like we always talked about. We’ve gotta get to the root cause, too. So we’ve got to fix those infections like I’ve had. We gotta fix those, too, at the same time while supplementing. So let me send it to you, Justin, so we can—we can share with the listeners.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That sounds great. I think B vitamins are really important just number one because of the stress component; number two because of the gut bacteria component; and then number three just to kind of—most people are still stressed so they need those B vitamins just to help kind of breakeven every day. So that’s the first component. Uh next let’s talk about minerals. So one of the first important minerals is gonna be magnesium because it’s a mineral that has over 100 or 1000 roles 1000 and enzymatic roles in the body, right? It has a major effect on dealing with enzymes. So with Krebs cycle, with energy, with blood pressure, with mood, with, sleep, with relaxation, with stress. Lots of different roles in the body and it’s one of those that are just incredibly deficient in our food supply. There’s lots of studies on magnesium deficiency and that’s it literally prevalent over 50% of the population. So this is important and if we’re not eating organic, then the magnesium in our food will be lower. So magnesium is one of these things that we wanna make sure is in a high quality supplement. I put it in my supplement via magnesium malate. So it’s bound to malic acid which is a Krebs cycle kinda intermediary nutrient. So it’s really important for the Krebs cycle and that way we can at least guarantee a couple hundred milligrams but because it’s chelated, we you know, it—more of it gets into where it needs to go which is really important. So magnesium is another one of those very important nutrients.

Evan Brand: Good. Well said. Yeah. And if you bought magnesium at Walgreens or CVS or Walmart or Target probably magnesium oxide, we talked about this before, but it’s about a 4% absorption rate. So if you’re taking 100 mg, you’re getting 4% of that; if you’re taking a 1000 mg, 4% of that. So take a look at your supplement bottle, flipped it around and look at the form of magnesium. If it’s oxide, you could use it for constipation that’s about the only benefit. But like Justin’s talking about the to help fuel the enzymatic processes and help Krebs cycle and promote energy and all that, it’s not going to do anything. You’ve got a look at the malate’s; you’ve got a look at the taurates; you’ve got the citrate’s; the—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Glycinate.

Evan Brand: Glycinate, the threonate. So there’s many, many good ones out there. And Mercola, I don’t know if he’s just saying this like anecdotally or if he’s got some literature on it, but  Dr. Mercola’s recent talk about EMF and how he believes that the magnesium can help mitigate the EMF and he’s recommending like 2 g a day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Evan Brand: — of different forms of magnesium. It makes sense, but I don’t know the mechanism of how that would help.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Well if we look at the big magnesium foods, right? Magnesium is gonna be lower in foods, but it’s gonna be highest in our green vegetables— spinach, swiss chard, uh— pumpkin seeds uhm—you know, kefirs, things like that, almonds, some legumes, avocado, figs, dark chocolate—dark chocolate’s a really good one, uh— banana. Again, you just have to be careful because if you’re kind of having autoimmune issue, more on autoimmune template to start, well, seeds are out, any dairies out, legumes out, uhm— some of these—half your foods are gone.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So you have to be careful like the big things are gonna be high quality dark chocolate, uh—lots of good greens. And if you can do one of these nuts or seeds like the pumpkin seeds I mentioned, that’s a really good place. But if not, that’s were leaning on a good supplement is gonna be helpful, but the green veggie, I think will be the key uhm—to that. So we just gotta keep in in mind, you know, there may be some foods that are really good for us made nutrient profile but they may have an inflammatory profile that’s— let’s just say, kinda contradicts or kinda—the risk outweighs the benefit of getting that nutrient coz of the inflammation.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I agree. So if you’re autoimmune protocol, if your digestion’s compromised, which it probably is if you’re on an autoimmune protocol coz you probably had an autoimmune illness and that’s what we’re recommending an AIP diet. Sounds like a magnesium supplement will be much— much, much more necessary and helpful. Uh— we had a question from Linda. She said, should she be concerned if every time she goes to the stool, so every time she poops uhm— there’s an oil slick.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I don’t know if I would say– I don’t know if I would say scared but concerned, oh, right, yeah. I mean I would be scared if there was blood in the stool.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Like you know decent bit of blood and it wasn’t just from a tiny bit of a hemorrhoid issue. But if I saw blood in the stool, I would be scared, for sure. I would definitely get that—some kind of a hem—some kind of an ulcer or cancer, make sure that’s ruled out. But with just the slick in the stool, I would be concerned because you’re not digesting your fat which means vitamin A, D, E, K your fat-soluble nutrients like your long chain fatty acids like EPA or DHEA or you know, coconut, good fats like that, you’re not absorbing those which means you’re gonna have blood sugar issues and you’re gonna have malabsorption, for sure.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Absolutely. So in that case, Linda, if you listen to us before, we’ll sound like a broken record, but if not, uh— you know, if you’re working with Justin or I, what we’re gonna end up doing with you would be looking at the stool test, we’ve gotta measure that fecal fat, the steatocrit marker, we’re gonna look for infections. So we’re gonna look for parasites; we’re gonna look for yeast; we’re gonna look for fungus; we’re gonna look for anything that’s gonna be stealing your nutrients or messing up that absorption. H. pylori if that’s suppressing the parietal cells that make hydrochloric acid in the gut. Now your whole digestive cascades is falling apart, we’re gonna look at medications. So if you’ve got a history or your currently taking some type of acid blocking drug we’ve got a factor that in coz that’s such a huge factor for fat digestion, too, if you’re just suppressing that. So we gotta look for those underlying causes but eventually, yes, we could fix the situation and probably add enzymes back in. Let’s address uh—Haley’s question, too, Justin, coz uh—it kinda ties into this. She said that she’s— her digestive enzymes can make your pancreas and gallbladder quote unquote lazy. What are your thoughts? We know that’s not true. With melatonin, yes, you can turn down the production of melatonin if you supplement. But with enzymes, my understanding is we’re only feeding the fire. Justin, can you comment.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well even with melatonin I talked to Dr. Ron Rothenberg about that and he says long as the dose is relatively low that that won’t happen coz it’s a positive feedback loop with these things. But when it comes to hydrochloric acid and enzymes, one of the major feedback loops for HCl and enzymes is gastrin, right? And gastrin when you take supplemental HCl, enzyme levels are –or gastrin levels don’t drop. So it’s not like you get testosterone testicle shrink  in size.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s not like that. So my bigger concern is that someone’s not making enough enzymes because they don’t have enough hydrochloric acid in the stomach and my concern is that’s— there’s not enough HCl on the stomach because of the sympathetic stress response, right? That fight or flight from food or from emotional stress or physical stress, so we, of course, we’re fixing that stuff upstream, right? Eating in a good, stress-free environment, not hydrating with food hydrating before, you know, we’re after biting after an hour or two but after, you know, 15 minutes before. And then we’re taking enough hydrochloric acid to lower the acidity so we can activate our own enzymes. But taking something is gonna be great coz I’m more concerned about that food sitting in your gut and not being digested and basically rotting and rancidifying and putrefying, creating stress by sitting in your gut.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s my bigger concern.

Evan Brand: I agree. So we hit the minerals. You talked about those you did great. We hit our magnesium which is gonna be probably number one. There’s a whole organization dedicated to magnesium deficiencies. If you type in gotmag, it think it’s gotmag.org. There’s like stage 2, 3 and 4 symptoms. You could even have insane symptoms, big issues, heart arrhythmias, atrial fibrillation, all sorts of other like heart-related issues due to magnesium, if you’re deficient. So if you’ve got some heart flutters or some weird symptoms, the cardiologist, they’re not gonna know you’ve got a magnesium deficiency, they’re just gonna end up putting you on like a beta blocker or some type of heart rhythm drug like they’ve done to my grandmother. And they’re not addressing magnesium and these drugs they’re using are likely gonna deplete magnesium even more. So we could get into some really, really big serious health implications if we don’t address something that simple as magnesium.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, hundred percent. So again, big source of magnesium, in my line, I have one called Magnesium Supreme. That’s a magnesium malate. That malate’s are– the malic acid so that helps in the Krebs cycle, it helps with energy but also has a relaxation effect. So that’s one of the ones I formulated. I still even like a little bit of magnesium citrate at night. I think it’s great. It may not be the best absorbed, it’s cheaper but it’s still good. So I like my Magnesium Supreme and then we use the Malate— Magnesium Malate in all the multis. And the multi-nutrients Supreme, in the twice or in the Multisuper pack. So that’s kind of what we have. I like those. I use those daily. I think they’re great. And then for kids that may be uh—you know have serious gut issues, we may do like a magnesium threonate kinda gel to help or magnesium chloride kind of uhm—Epsom salt bath, too.

Evan Brand: Nice. And with the anxiety like PTSD, traumas, phobias, the supplement in my line is called Calm Clarity. And I’ve used that one with great success with people especially veterans who come back from war and they’ve just got a lot of emotional trauma or women who’ve been through some type of abuse threonate crosses the blood brain barrier. So that’s another form of magnesium and not any one form is perfect but you can use a combination of these. So like Justin mention, you wanna cycle. Maybe you’ve got some malate here, you’ve got some citrate here—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: You can add different forms.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And then we’ll put show notes and links to some of these things. So if you guys want to support the show, we always appreciate that.  We’re just trying to get you the best information possible. Now, I talked about the magnesium foods. Some of the B vitamin foods, okay? Again, you’re gonna have like if you go online and look you’re gonna see the fortified ones which are gonna be cereals and orange juices which is basically crappy, crappy B vitamins.

Evan Brand: Garbage.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The worst quality. So do not count on any of the B vitamins from those foods. And number one, you shouldn’t be eating those foods, anyway coz they’re very high in sugar. With the orange juices and the grains are obviously gonna be the gluten thing which are gonna be inflammatory as well. So cut those out, nix those out. But you’re gonna do really with fish, with vegetables, with fruits, with meats, with leafy greens, egg yolks. So a lot of  the Paleo versions of those are gonna have super, super high amount of B vitamins which is great.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Like Pop Tarts, like fortified with 12 vitamins and minerals. It’s like, “Oh yeah,  let’s just eat pop tarts, high fructose corn syrup and genetically modified glyphosate sprayed wheat flour. We’re gonna be just fine.” Not true, not true, not true.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Remember, when you take in a lot of sugar and refined carbohydrate, all that refine carbohydrate converts to sugar and when you look at the Krebs cycle, how that Krebs cycle pumps around and it goes through all these kind of uhm—you know, reduction reactions where all these hydrogens kind of accumulate. It takes magnesium to run those cycles and if you’re basically—if it’s costing you more magnesium to run the cycle than you’re getting in, this is what we call nutrient debt, right? You’re not getting as much from it than you are— for the cost to run it, okay? So keep that in the back of your mind.

Evan Brand: Luckily the human body is resilient. I mean if that— if we we’re like a car, you and I use car analogies, if we we’re at such a nutrient debt like most people are, the car would be dead. But luckily our body will still survive. You just won’t thrive in these situations. You could have hair issues, skin issues, nail issues, like you said, autoimmune diseases, cancer, you’ve got bad skin, you’ve got acne, you’ve got poor sleep problems, you’ve got anxiety, depression, you’ve got chronic fatigue, you’ve got obesity. I mean, a lot of these diseases that have skyrocketed 10,000% over the last 20 years, there’s many, many factors that we can address in one podcast but like you mentioned, just a nutrient— the nutrient density of the soil has been reduced which is why—and I didn’t tell you this yet, but I uh—expanded my property. I bought the acre next door as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, cool.

Evan Brand: I’m gonna have a 1 acre farm and I’m gonna have as much of my food come from that as possible. Not the meats coz there’s a couple restrictions on having animals but my goal is to provide 50% is my goal. Uh— 50% of my own food. I’ve already grown stuff this year. I’ve had watermelons. Last year, I had bunch of sweet potatoes, I had strawberries, I had broccoli, carrots, all organic homegrown. There’s no more local—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great.

Evan Brand: ..that you can get than your backyard.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s great. And you can even team up with some farmers and make a deal and say, “Hey, you can use my land and I’ll give you half of what’s on there.”

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz then you don’t have to worry about it at all. And you kinda make this deal, they get free land but they get half the food. Hey, there’s enough food for you and your family. The rest may go bad anyway, so you may end up giving it away, anyway. So that could be a good deal for you.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I’m gonna try to do some pecan trees and I’ve got all sorts of ideas.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cool. Yeah. Very cool, man. I think it’s important that uhm— people have to understand that your body is like a business. When a business starts having low profits and starts— the revenue starts dropping, the business has to either get incredibly efficient or typically, more than likely, lays people off, right? It fires people, right?

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And it goes off, it fires people that are least essential to driving the profit. Well, the body does the same thing. It just starts allocating resources to other areas. Some dead skin, it’s okay, we’ll have some irritation, it will get wrinkly and creepy, it’s okay, no problem. Fingernails—weaker, more brittle; hormones will be a little bit lower that means you’ll have a lot of cycles, you know, symptoms with your cycle; you’ll have lower libido; you won’t be able to recover from strenuous work out; you won’t be able to put on muscle, that’s okay, no big deal. And uh—yeah, we won’t—we won’t put it– inflammation as much so you’ll be a little bit more achy, you know, you’ll be little bit more prone to osteopenia or osteoporosis. That’s how the body thinks. Uhm– that’s how it allocates. It’s all about survival. We are really about surviving. So those nutrients help run those systems. We really want to make sure that we have enough nutrients to run systems. There a lot of people they’re focused on calories and if you’re eating a real whole foods those calories will have nutrition, but today, it’s possible with the whole pop tart analogy or the junk food analogy, you can get a whole bunch of calories and not a lot of nutrition on the flipside. So you gotta keep that in mind.

Evan Brand: Agreed. You wanna hit a couple more questions or should we try to move the conversation into some more nutrients. I’ve had vitamin C just echoing in my brain that I have to just talk about vitamin C.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Let’s hit that. I wanna hit one last thing on magnesium and we can tie it to vitamin C. There’s a lot of the medications that are out there will actually create nutrient deficiencies. And one of the biggest ones are the blood pressure medications, the water pills, the Hydrochlorothi—Hydrochlorothiazide, the Lisinopril, the ACE inhibitors, right, the beta blockers. These will actually create magnesium deficiency which magnesium is really important for regulating blood pressure, so that actually create more blood pressure, which creates more dependency on these medications. So you can see that vicious cycle. So keep in mind the nutrient deficiency aspect with these drugs. Same thing with birth control pills and B vitamins as well and magnesium. So those are couple of common medications. And then the granddaddy of them all is gonna be the acid blockers that will affect nutrients in many directions, B vitamins, minerals etc.

Evan Brand: Yup. The Omni— is it Omni with an “n” or is it “m”? Omne—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Omneprozol. O-M-N-E and then prozol.

Evan Brand: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: That’s great.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Prilosec that’s the trade name of it. That’s the—Omneprozol is the generic. So yeah, these are the medications. These are the family of meds we got to be careful of. So, kinda tagging into your vitamin C. I’ll let you the ball with that Evan.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I just wanna—one more comment on the Prilosec.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And the thing that’s scary is these acid blockers used to be prescription and now they’re over-the-counter. So people just go to Target and they just go buy a 48 pack of these, six month supply and they throw that giant value pack 20% more pills into their shopping cart and they just go home, “Oh, yeah, Prilosec.” It’s like, “good God”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s really interesting because you know you get all the people that say, “Oh, you have to be such a super, super smart medical doctor to prescribe these drugs. They’re so dangerous. You need to have, you know, a medical Dr. kinda looking over you. And of course, that it—that is true with in a lot of cases, yeah, they contradict themselves coz then these drugs seven years later when the patent goes out, once they go generic and there’s no money behind them, they go over-the-counter.

Evan Brand: Oh my God.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Look at Ibuprofen, right? It kills 20,000 people a year and now it’s over-the-counter. It’s okay.

Evan Brand: Ugh. Insane isn’t it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. So I mean, you kinda talk on both sides of the mouth and you know, we pointed out. Uhm so, yeah, in general, the medications that you’re gonna see that are gonna be out there, primarily are gonna be the patented ones. Once that seven-year patents off or if they can create a mini-me version of it, then it’s over-the-counter and anyone can buy it. It’s up for grabs now.

Evan Brand: Fortunately, beta-blockers and antidepressants are still prescription only. So, that’s good. We’re saving a lot of issues with that. But yeah, let me get back on subject. Vitamin C is huge. It’s gonna be stored in the adrenal glands, typically.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So Justin and I are gonna  measure your nutritional markers when we run organic acids testing on you. We’re gonna look at a lot of nutrients. Nine times out of 10 vitamin C shows up low because people burn through it like jet fuel, just like B vitamins that Justin mention about stress, same thing with vitamin C. There is a reference range most people aren’t even on the map. I’m seeing people at like a point level, like a decimal point level when they should be hundreds of times higher. So I’m typically gonna be using about 2000 mg and I’ve had people say, “Oh Evan, I’ve taken vitamin C for years they still show up low because they were using some garbage they got at like a health food store. Even thought it’s a health food store could still have inferior quality or it’s a consumer break— consumer grade product they bought at Whole Foods or Amazon or somewhere else. And they’re not using professional grade or they’re just using ascorbic acid only, which is decent. But to really boost up the levels, you’ve got to have the antioxidants with it. The quercetin, the rutin, the bioflavonoids.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mixed ascorbate.

Evan Brand: Yeah. You gotta have the mixed ascorbates, too. You’ve got the magnesium ascorbate, the calcium ascorbate, the sodium ascorbates. If you just do—like  what is it? emergency that garbage that they sell at the check out line at Walgreens or other places where it’s not only is it just rate ascorbic acid it’s got fructose in there, too, which is gonna destroy blood sugar. That’s not gonna do anything. You could buy a year supply of that and not move the needle. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent, man. So may—uh—Vitamin C is really important. I also say selenium is one of these things that are very important as well because it’s important for thyroid conversion. Uhm— it’s important for liver detoxification, it’s important precursor for glutathione, right? And we like to give that neither like a Selenium Glycinate or Selenium Methionine kinda bound to one of these sulfur amino acids.

Evan Brand: Let me ask you this.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: What do you say to all these people, “Oh, Justin, I don’t need Selenium. I eat three Brazil nuts per day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well I mean I think that’s a really good source of selenium; the problem is the amount of selenium in those brazil nuts can vary tenfold. So you could either be getting 50 µg or 500 µg. So the problem is you just don’t know how much you’re getting in each of them. So I think it’s good if you wanna do a Brazil nut or two a day.  Just make sure that the uhm—the multi you’re taking guarantees you at least 200 µg of selenium per day. And I think you’re in a really really, good place.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And we talked about the absorption issue. So if somebody has got some gut bugs, doesn’t matter if you eat the Brazil nuts. You could probably eat a whole bag and not boost up selenium, if you’re deficient and you’ve got things stealing your nutrients or compromising your digestive quality.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And it’s just good to have that insurance policy with selenium. Uh—it’s gonna be hard to overdose with it if you’re in that 2 to 400 µg range and you’re using a good quality like Selenium Methionine. You’re gonna be in really good shape. And again, just kinda tag teaming, we got a lot of people talking about hormone stuff. Selenium is really important for hormones especially testosterone and then we even have Zinc, right? Whether it’s zinc aspartate or zinc methionine or uhm— zinc’s really important. The zinc fingers have a lot to do with the genetics like the DNA the epigenetics. So having enough zinc is really important to activating— having good affects our epigenome. Zinc is extremely important for making HCl. It’s a really good building block for our sex hormones as well. So gotta love zinc and when you’re stressed and you have low hydrochloric acid level, zinc can go low. And you can do is a tally test. We do some Zinc Chloride or—is it Chloride or Sulfate? I was getting confused.

Evan Brand: I think Sulfate for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. So Zinc Sulfate. We could do a Zinc Sulfate test. The more metallic you’re tasting it is, the better— the better your Zinc is. The better or the more neutral taste, the lower your zinc is. That’s a good little kind of rule of thumb test.

Evan Brand: So people heard that, they’re like, “What the hell is he talking about?” So basically, uh—Justin and I can send a high-quality liquid Zinc Sulfate and based on the status of your zinc, that will change the flavor of the zinc. When I took this test a few years ago, I think they say, “hold it in your mouth for up to 30 seconds” So you put a little bit zinc in your mouth, you kinda gently swish it around. I swallowed it,. I tasted nothing. That was when I had all those infections. I literally tasted nothing. It tasted like water.  My zinc was trashed and then as you improve infections, you get your digestion better, your supplementing with the right type of zinc, all the sudden you could put the zinc in your mouth and then it almost tastes like your licking a piece of metal like right away. That’s the goal but would you say, Justin? 95% of people they’re not going to taste the metal right away which means they’re super deficient.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean a lot of them are gonna be deficient if they have gut issues or stress issues or malabsorption those kind of thing for sure. So I think that’s a really important one look at. So we hit the Vitamin C, we hit Magnesium we hit Selenium and we hit Zinc.

Evan Brand: I’d say Omegas and vitamin D would be two others we have to mention.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think Omega-3 is really important which is—the typical Omega-3 fatty acids there is ALA Alpha Linolenic Acid. That’s the omega-3 in flaxseed oil. We have EPA which is 20-chain carbon which is Eicosapentaenoic Acid, that’s EPA. And then we have the_ DHEA. These are the 20 and 22. The EPA or the DHEA are the fats found in fish oil. These are the really important ones. These have all of the anti-inflammatory action. They help block this prostaglandin E2 pathway which gets inflammation jacked up. They also are really good building blocks for the brain and the neurological system. And the ALA are the Alpha Linolenic Acid from the flax seeds and the vegetables, that actually has to get converted via this enzyme, I think it’s Delta 5 Desaturase. And that enzyme converts the 18 carbon to the 20 carbon and things like insulin resistance and inflammation and stress can affect that conversion and knock it decreased function by 80 to 90%. So you’re not getting those really biologically active omega-3 fatty acids when you’re doing a lot of the plant-based Omega-3’s because of those mechanisms I mention. So getting the really good Omega-3’s from the fish is going to the best way. Plus the fish actually bio accumulate how the plants get it which will typically is the algae, right? A lot of the good vegetable, Omega-3 supplements vegetarian ones are gonna be algae based. Well the fish concentrate the algae. It’s kinda like the grass that cows concentrate the grass. So you’re kinda getting that bioaccumulation in a more concentrated form when you’re doing some of these really good fish oils.

Evan Brand: Well said. Yeah. Pastured meats, too, you will get some— you will get some fatty acid. So your bisons, your elk, which are my two favorites.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Your grass-fed beef, pastured pork. I would assume you’d get some from pork.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. More than likely you’re gonna get some from any of the animal products. The healthier they are, the more pastured they—the more pastured, the more biologically appropriate their diet is, uhm— the better chance that you’re gonna get more of these Omega-3 fatty acids than the more inflammatory Omega 6. But again, Arachidonic Acids are really important building block which is an Omega-6 fatty acid, but that’s gonna be a really good fat, too. So you don’t want to say, “Oh, all Omega-6 is bad. It’s just gonna really be a lot more  of the Omega-6 that are gonna be driven from vegetable oils like refined vegetable oils, right? The good vegetable oils are gonna be olive oil which is a—a Oleic Acid which is really an Omega-9, your—your uhm—short chain fatty acids are gonna come from your butters and ghee which that’s gonna be more animal-based. MCT oil or your Caproic, Caprylic uhm—Lauric acids. These C6, C8, C10, C12 fatty acids, these are gonna be in the coconut. That’s great. Uh—so those are gonna be some of the really good ones to start with. All avocado oils, another really good neutral one as well.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I just wanna point out the fact that we’re hitting a lot of really good foundational nutrients but we could do entire episodes just on magnesium, just on vitamin C.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We have that on magnesium. I know that.

Evan Brand: I think we did. Yeah. So if—if we feel like we’re glossing over some deep aspects, then that’s okay. The vitamin D that’s huge. It’s really a hormone called vitamin but vitamin D is important we like to your levels at preferably 60 or above. I say nine out of every 10 people are gonna. be deficient in magnesium As you get older, you can’t convert sunlight into usable vitamin D as much. So even if you’re getting plenty of sun exposure which I’ve talked to people who garden for six hours a day, they are still deficient in vitamin D. And so in less— you’re like Dr. Mercola, where he said he hadn’t supplemented in seven years, something like that, 5-6-7 years, he lives at a very south latitude in Florida. He’s out on the beach hours— three hours a day with so much skin exposed and he keeps his levels at about 60. So I unless you got that amount of time and lifestyle to dedicate—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Evan Brand: ..to sun, it’s gonna be really tough to keep it at adequate level.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I hundred percent agree. So Vitamin D is really important. We try to do it with actual sun exposure, uhm— don’t burn, kinda get your Minimal Erythemal Dose, MED, if you will. And uhm— supplement the rest. If you can— if you just do a really good 25 hydroxy vitamin or a regular vitamin D3, mine’s uh—Emulsi D Supreme and it’s got the uh—MCT oil and the vitamin D3—D3 in there which is a really good form. Again, you can also add some K2 in it. My biggest issue is you don’t get enough vitamin D with the K2 ones but just make sure getting some really good K2 in your foods which fermented foods are  gonna have a lot of K2 uhm—a  healthy gut bacteria makes some K2 and then also a healthy grass-fed butter or ghee are gonna be other excellent sources of vitamin K2 as well.

Evan Brand: So Designs has one that’s got 5000 IU of D+ K warning K2. I can’t remember the name.  But it’s a pretty good one and I’ve used it before think. I think—I think it’s gonna be called the Su—I think it’s Supreme.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: That’s what is it. D Supreme.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. The problem is the vitamin D levels in it are very, very low. That’s the only issue.

Evan Brand: I think it’s a 5000. What are you—what are you talking about using? You talking about using 8 or 10 thousand or is 5,000 good in your eyes?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It just depends. I like doing the liquid Vitamin D just because if I need to use it therapeutically like someone’s sick, right? I may do 100,000 IUs—

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that ends up being like 20 or 30 pills. It becomes doing too hard, so it’s easier to take like 30 or 40 drops put in your smoothie and you don’t even know you had it.

Evan Brand: Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I go more with the liquid, but again, your great vitamin K sources are gonna your green leafy’s, fermented foods like—like Natto, of course, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, broccoli, fermented dairy, prunes, uh—high quality uh— grass-fed butter or ghee. So you really, you know, you can get a lot of those uhm—make sure you’re getting a lot of good nutrients from those foods. Make sure their organic and that will help significantly. So if you’re doing a vitamin D, you really want to make sure that K2’s there and make sure those foods are really good in your diet and a lot of good multis and have a little bit of K2 in there, too.

Evan Brand: Good, good. Well said. Shall we look at a couple questions here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. Let’s hit them.

Evan Brand: Okay. So uh—we had a question about Mercola’s complete probiotic. It’s probably decent, Justin and I use professional grade. So if there’s a consumer grade product out there, we’re always gonna say ours is better because we’ve got healthcare manufacturers that make our products. There is very, very, very stringent restrictions in testing and manufacturing processes that we use and so were always going to push you towards our probiotics instead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: His is probably good, though.

Evan Brand: Yeah. I’m sure their good. I mean Mercola’s, you know, he’s very detail oriented. So I’m sure his are good but we’re biased. So we’re gonna want you to buy ours.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So you could check out uh—justinhealth.com Check out his line. He’s got several in the gut support section and I’ve got a few formulas, too, that I’ve got on my site evanbrand.com You can check out those.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect.

Evan Brand: Alright. Let’s keep going. What else as we’ve got here? Uh— Robert he asked, “What foods and supplements can you take to speed up restoring low secretory IGA?” What do you think? I think a lot of the gut supports like the leaky gut formulas, your slippery elm, your marshmallow roots, chamomile flowers, anything that’s kinda fix a leaky gut situation maybe some mushrooms to support the IGA for the immune system.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think making sure the infections are gone, number one. Making sure the diet’s good. Making sure you’re breaking down the foods that you’re eating. Uhm— number three, once the infections gone, adding in a lot of the healing nutrients.  So in my line, we use one called, GI Restore, which is a lot of those same nutrients. Uhm—it’s got the glutamine, it’s got the slippery Elm, the aloe, the DGL, a lot of the healing, soothing nutrients. Getting the probiotics up is gonna be really helpful, you know, the Lactobacillus, the Bifidobacter strands, various strands there. Also very high amounts Saccharomyces Boulardiis is proven to help improve IgA levels. So those are really good things that you can add in there. And just making sure the adrenals are supported.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Because a healthy cortisol levels have a impact on your immune system which has an impact on your IgA. Coz your IgA is that mucosal that first-line defense for your immune system.

Evan Brand: Yes. So chronic stress, too, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: If you’re taking all the supplements in the world but you have a terrible boss and you hate your life, you’ve got to address that chronic stress component coz that’s gonna be the number one cause that’s going to drive down the secretory IgA.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hundred percent.

Evan Brand: Uh—there’s another question here. There was a supplement a person had to had a tiny bit of soy lecithin in it should they be concerned? What’s your take?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I wouldn’t worry about soy lecithin. It’s tough. Uhm—soy lecithin is more of an emulsifier. It’s more to help with the digestion and the mixing of that product is typically not gonna be soy protein in that.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The soy protein is really what causes the problems. Lecithin’s more of an emulsifier. So as long as it’s a good quality product uhm— I’m okay with there being a little bit of soy lecithin in there.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And I’ve got a couple formulas that have it in there. I’ve had people say, “Oh my God, I’m allergic to soy.” They’re fine. They have no issue. that’s not actually— it’s such a— it’s such an extracted form that it’s not like you’re eating soy. You’re not eating soybean.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. And then in my line, I think I may just have a few that have soy lecithin in there. But we were able to make sure that it’s guaranteed that it’s non-GMO soy. So you really want to make sure it’s at least non-GMO soy lecithin. And as long as that’s there, I’m okay with it.

Evan Brand: And it’s gonna be a tiny amount. When you look at the formula we’re talking and the other ingredients, it’s not an active ingredient. So could be 1% of the formula.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And less, you know, single digits fraction of percents for sure.

Evan Brand: Yup. Good. What else we’ve got here? If you feel like hitting this and we can, we can save it for another day—symptoms of chronic intestinal infections. I think we hit on that already with the hair, the skin, the nails, the acne, depression, anxiety, fatigue.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. All your— all your common symptoms, right? Your uhm— your intestinal symptoms: bloating, gas, diarrhea, constipation, bloating, acid reflux. And then your extra intestinal which are all the mood-based and energy-based: fatigue, mood, joint pain, depression, anxiety. Those kind of things, sleep,—

Evan Brand: Autoimmunity—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hormone stuff, autoimmunity. And we got a whole podcast on that. So just google digestion or parasites or leaky gut and you’ll get a whole bunch of podcast and videos on that topic.

Evan Brand: Cool. Robert said he loved our podcast on histamine and it hit home prior to having infections no foods were problem, uh—post infection, fermented foods read havoc on him. So thanks for the podcast. Thanks for the feedback Robert. We love to hear that the histamine podcast was a killer one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I’m looking forward to chatting with you soon, Robert. I know uhm—you’ve been doing good work on your— on yourself there with uh— some of those good informational put in the podcast. But if you need more support, let us know. I’d get retested. Make sure we get to the root cause coz if those issues are still there with the post histamine stuff, there may be some additional critters hanging around.

Evan Brand: Yep. I agree. Another question about chronic dry eyes. “How often have you seen this with your patients? I’m working on healing the gut do you think there could be other root causes to dry eyes?” Justin, what’s your take?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Chronically low cortisol. You’ll see load—you’ll see dry eyes. Typically, get your diet stable. Once your diet’s stable, you can add a lower carbohydrate kinda diet. If those dry eyes are still there, gently taper out that carbohydrate every couple of days. You know, 10- 15 g of carbs primarily at nights. Do the safe starchy versions: squash, sweet potatoes, plantains, those kind of things. And you may see those dry eyes start to go away. You can even try a tablespoon of coconut oil and a teaspoon of honey, right, before bed as well that may help.

Evan Brand: Cool. So what else we’ve got? “Can I re-infect myself with H. pylori with makeup like lipsticks that I’ve used when I had H. pylori? I’ve no idea what the lifespan of that is on the product.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It is possible. I mean I would just look at uhm—the lipstick stuff. Maybe just get a razor blade and cut that end off there. I think you’d probably be okay with that. Uhm— typically, you know, as you knock out the infection, you know, you’d still be using it. So eventually, you’d wear off that but I think if you wanna be on the safe side, I think that’s a good thing to keep in mind.  Even more important uhm—things that you can quite excise as easy like partners, right? Spouses. Ideally getting them at least treated semi- “semi” meaning maybe we only use one supplement just coz the compliance is so important. I would really be more—more imperative on the spouses and the partners.

Evan Brand: I agree. Partners are probably much bigger issue, much bigger carrier and reinfection source than your makeup and lipstick. I don’t know of any high-quality lipstick. Maybe they’re out there, but I would just throw that stuff away and maybe does discontinue using lipstick, too. I doubt you’re missing out on much in you know it’s— there’s parabens and all sorts of other stuff.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And they have some really good things on the market now that do a lot like food-based ones where they are like extracting cherries and all these different food-based ones that kinda produces the fruit-based stain and kinda gives you a similar look but it’s using nutrition and foods versus, you know, some of the synthetic things.

Evan Brand: Uhh..okay, okay. So maybe you— maybe you stick with the lipstick then. Alright. James said he had a over sympathetic—let’s see having over sympathetic with sexual activity does blood pressure med Norvasc affect ED issues? That’s kinda like—I don’t even fully understand what you’re saying coz it’s kinda like a piece together thing. Are you understanding what he’s asking?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think what he’s saying is those medications have a potential side effect of erectile dysfunction? I would just go to RXlist.com and put that medication in there and look at that long list of side effects. I can—I can do it from right here while we continue with the conversation. What was the medication called again?

Evan Brand: It’s N-O-R-V-A-S-C. Norvasc.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, cool. I’ll pull it up here in a second. N-O-R-V-A-S-C?

Evan Brand: N-O-R-V-A-S-C. as in Charlie.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Norvasc. Got it. Okay, cool.

Evan Brand: Then he’s saying, even with Viagra, it doesn’t correct lack of sensitivity.  So, yeah, I mean here’s my easy quick answer. If you didn’t have those symptoms before  and now you’re on this drug and those symptoms are happening, how could that not be a factor?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. This is a an—an—Am—Amlodipine, which is a basically a calcium channel blocker, okay? Which is a calcium channel blocker, which again, magnesium kind of does the same thing, FYI. And if we look at the side effects, uh—feelings like you may pass out, swelling in your hands feet and ankles, pounding heart beat or fluttering on your chest, chest pain, heavy pain spreading arms and shoulders, nausea, general ill and there’s more uhm— side effects as well. So—

Evan Brand: It’s like a commercial all of a sudden.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know, right? Let me see here: dizziness, drowsiness, tired, stomach pain—

Evan Brand: What is this—what is that? That’s for blood pressure? Is that right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. This is for blood pressure medication, but I think what you said is the best advice if that wasn’t there before and then you started taking the medication and it started happening, as long as your blood pressure is not too bad and you could taper down or you could come off with your doctor’s approval, uhm— I would have no problem doing that and seeing if those symptoms improve, then you know. Coz in the end, if it’s not a side effect on RX list.com but you take the meds out and it gets better, does it really matter that they say it is? We know clinically, right?

Evan Brand: Yep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely.

Evan Brand: There’s so many ways. Didn’t we do a whole podcast—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Don’t—don’t come off. If your blood pressure is 160-170 and you’re on blood pressure medications, coz it will go that high afterwards, don’t come off it. You really want to make sure that if you’re on a medication and you wanted to try and see if there’s an issue, one, fix the root causes; but two, talk to the medical doctor that prescribed it and make sure they’re in concurrence—you know, in agreement with you on the taper that you’re going to do. Make sure they are on the same page.

Evan Brand: Yes. Some people they go to the other end of the spectrum where there are so anti-pharmaceutical that “I’m getting off of this.” That’s bad. You— that’s like stroke territory. So don’t do that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You just gotta be careful. Some people if you’re like 130 or 140 over like 80 or 90, not too bad. You could probably come off as long as you’re fixing other root issues, but just have a blood pressure cuff by your bed, test it in the morning, see where you’re at. Just you— you want to do it responsibly. If you do it and you want to get to the prescribing doctor on the same page as you. You don’t want to go rogue.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Any other questions you wanna hit up?

Evan Brand: Uh let’s see. What else we’ve got.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I have one here. We got one on Facebook here from Michelle or from

Mitchell. “Can L- tyrosine for dopamine support be too stimulating? How much should be taken to minimize side effects?” Yeah. It can be for some people. Uhm— tyrosine can kinda provide precursor supports to dopamine which then above that can go to adrenaline, so it can be. I think starting at 500 mg and working up to maybe, potentially 3 to even 6 g a day is okay. But start low and slow and if you know that it is stimulating, use it more in that first half of the day not the last half of the day.

Evan Brand: Yup. That’s a simple fix. Good answer. Uh—Nora had a follow-up here. “Thanks for answering the question. So can I successfully eradicate H. pylori and other pathogens as if I live with people who have it. Do they have to do treatment in parallel with me?” Well, if you’re sexually active with people, you’re kissing or simple enough, even just sharing straws, sharing cups, drinking after each other, that’s enough to infect them. So even if it’s not a partner, but it’s someone, “Oh, hey, let me have a drink  of that.” That’s enough to still pass H. pylori. Justin and I have seen it hundreds of times.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. The stronger your immune system is, it becomes less of an issue so like with Evan and myself, we have stronger immune systems coz we  work on that. We maybe less prone because our IgA levels are up high enough where the tiny bit of that in your system, our IgA would squash it. But if your IgA is lower and you got more the stress going on and you have poor hydrochloric acid levels, then for sure. That could happen.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And I had low IgA, too. So that’s something that you’d want it measured Nora and check with the stool testing and look for your IGA figure out which your first line of defense is looking like. If it’s low and weak, you’ve just got a lot of chronic stress, then, yeah, you’re gonna be more susceptible to—to pick it up. But to answer the question, “Could you eradicate it?” If you live with other people, yeah, you could but there’s gotta be a lot of things in your favor and you’re not sharing or sharing cups or drinking for most people or kissing them etc. Uhm— Anthony—well there’s one question about—from Anthony. He said, “It’s been over five years with gut issues, irregular stools, many doctor visits.” He found out that he had a whey and casein allergy. “Where should you start to get help?” Oh, wow! That’s a hard one to answer. Uh—right here. Justin and myself. justinhealth.com evanbrand.com I mean we’ve dealt with people who’ve already been to many doctors. I mean it’s such a common story. We always asked the question, “Hey, kinda give us your history. What—what’s been your experience with other practitioners? What have you tried to help? What have you tried that hasn’t helped?” I’d say 90% of people we talked with they’ve already been to a either a Gastro doctor or some other type of doc for their gut issues and they’ve had no success and only prescription drugs like I got recommended to myself anti-spasmodic, anti-acid drugs. If you’ve got a regular Bell’s, man, you’ve got infections. I can put money on it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I’m a huge believer— I want every patient to at least go in the conventional medical workup before they come see functional docs or functional practitioners like ourselves just to rule out big picture pathology stuff. You know, it just makes it so we at least know that the big glaring stuff is at least been looked at and addressed and assessed. And now we’re looking more functional imbalances which is really what functional medicine is treating. It’s not medicine from a conventional disease based medicine; it’s medicine from a uh— nutritional kind of support perspective working on supporting systems, not treating symptoms and disease.

Evan Brand: Yup. We’ll take one more question here.  Uh from Charlotte O: “How do you feel about NOW foods brand supplements my health coach is using them on me. I think NOW foods is okay it’s once again, a consumer grade product, so it is going to be likely less high-quality. I have seen some fillers and some of their products. I have seen them do some inferior forms of certain nutrients; however, they’ve also got a lot of really good products, too, where they’re stepping up their game in they’re using the methylated bees and the higher qualities with the Omega’s, so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And plus, people doesn’t know. NOW has another line. It’s a higher up line. It’s called “Protocols For Life” That’s their higher-grade line. So if you like NOW, look at Protocols For Life.

Evan Brand: Is protocol uh—will that have to be through practitioner or is that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Couldn’t say it’s a practitioner one but it’s a little bit higher grade but it’s—it’s made by the same company. It’s their one step up.

Evan Brand: But overall what’s your take on NOW?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean I think they’re okay for certain things. You know, uhm— so as a kind of initial kinda get in your foot in the door kinda thing, I think it’s okay. But of course, you know, we—we have are our bias because were trying to get the highest quality in everything. And part of that is because we actually work with patients face to face. It’s not like they go online and buy something, we never see them again. We’re working with them face-to-face so we have to know that what we’re recommending is the best because we need to seek clinical outcome. So we have to know that. So it’s a little bit different for us because we gotta go all out and make sure that nothing is held back.

Evan Brand: Right. So when you’ve got these other companies and people out there promoting stuff, they’re not working with people one-on-one. So it comes directly back on Justin or directly back on me if we give him our product and it doesn’t work. That’s not very sustainable for us. So that’s why it’s much, much better enough for us. That’s why we have access for people that don’t work with us. We allow other people outside to access our uh—products because they’ve been tried and true and tested. And if they didn’t work with people, we wouldn’t carry them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And if it doesn’t work, too, then it allows us to say, “Okay, there’s not some crappy filler or there’s some sub—sub nutrient in there. Let’s look a little bit deeper.” So it gives us the confidence that we just need to look deeper now.  So it’s gonna be on both sides.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And just a firsthand experience with NOW foods and the secondhand, I guess, through clients. I’ve had people taking like their super enzymes, for example, and I get their digestive health markers investigated on the urine and stool test, and it looks terrible. Their digestion is not working at all even with the high dose of their enzymes. So does that mean the quality is bad? Does that mean they’re not dosing it properly? Maybe they’re not consistent as much. I don’t know. Probably a combination of factors, but I always switch over people over to my professional enzymes and then I retest and then all of a sudden, it’s fixed. Is it compliance? Is it quality? Probably both.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And you know everyone has got their bias and we kinda state our bias there. You know, we’re trying to be uhm— super transparent. Uhm—but yeah, I think there 95% of companies that are out there are bad. But I think that would be in that—I would say they’re in that 5% at least are better, for sure.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Yeah.  Well, that’s it for questions. Anything else you want to hit before we wrap it up. I think we did pretty good today.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think James uh—who is it—someone came out there—was it James—Yeah. James asked about Tom Brady. Again, love Tom Brady. Huge Patriots fan. Again Tom Brady does lots of things I would say go back and check out the podcast I did on him a year and a half ago for more specifics but he does use the green stuff. He does kinda promote like a Paleo-Alkaline diet. A lot of people have really uh—let’s just say Tom Brady like have a vegan cook. So because he had a vegan cook, Tom Brady was now on a vegan diet. No. He eats 20% meat. That’s far from vegan, okay? So just kinda keep that in the back of your mind. A lot of misnomers about Tom and he has a lot of a different training uh—modalities, too, that I’m hoping— I would love to get Tom Brady’s coach or strength coach on there.

Evan Brand: Or just get Tom Brady and the coach in a three-way podcast.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I would love that, man. I would love to hang out with Tom and get some secrets down. That’d be awesome. I think he may need to wait til he retires to truly unveil some of the stuff. But we’ll see.

Evan Brand: That’s true. That’s true. Well, reach out. I’m sure there’s a media/press person and tell him, “Look, we’ve got insanely popular health podcast. Uh— we’d like to interview Tom and his coach.” But yeah, they’d probably be like, “No way, dude. We’re not giving you the secret sauce, hold on.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. I know. Exactly, so— I know Alex Guerrero is— is his—uh  coach that does a lot of the stuff. So I mean— really, really interested to get Alex on a uh— podcast. That’d be freaking awesome.

Evan Brand: Never hurts to ask.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, absolutely, man.

Evan Brand: Well, let’s wrap this thing up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We had a great call today. I’m late for my next patient here, but uhm—keep dropping knowledge bombs all day, man. Really enjoyed this call with you. Anything else you want to add or say?

Evan Brand: Well I think we mentioned it all. If people wanna work with us, we work with people around the world. So Skype and phone consultations is what we do and all the lab testing except for blood you do at your house. So if you want to get help, get to the root cause, reach out justinhealth.com or Google  Dr. Justin Marchegiani or myself evanbrand.com or type in Evan Brand. Find us. Subscribe. And if you have more questions, concerns, get a hold of us. That’s what we’re here for. We love helping people. That’s what makes us thrive so we won’t help you thrive, too. So, have a great day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And leave some comments below. If you like this podcast, tell us. Tell us what you like. If you don’t like stuff, tell us what you don’t like. And tell us what you want us to talk about next time and give us a thumbs up. Give us a share. We really appreciate it, guys. And you all have an awesome day, Take care you all.

Evan Brand: Take care.  


References:

justinhealth.com

evanbrand.com

gotmag.org

https://justinhealth.com/products/magnesium-supreme/

https://justinhealth.com/products/emulsi-d-supreme/

https://justinhealth.com/products/gi-restore/

rxlist.com

https://www.nowfoods.com/

 

 

How to Create Healthy Hair and Skin

healthy, beautiful hair

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

How to Create Healthy Hair and Skin

Thick, luscious hair is an immediately visible sign of good health. However, many of us struggle to obtain shampoo commercial locks. There are many ways we can target healthy hair growth, including dietary changes, the use of topical aides, and determining any possible medical interferences.

Dietary Components

Dietary Components

There are several foods and supplements you can consume in order to aide in hair growth.

A Vitamin B complex containing both biotin and other important B vitamins, which have been shown to strengthen hair as well as improve skin and nails.

Collagen promotes the growth of not only hair but also supports skin, nails, and joints. One of the best sources of collagen is in bone broth. Read more about the benefits of bone broth here! Sometimes bone broth isn’t enough and a high-quality grass fed collagen supplement is needed. Click here to see the one Dr. J recommends.

More foods to eat for hair growth and full-body health include the omega-3s from wild-caught fish, antioxidant-rich green tea, and foods rich in vitamins A and C such as bell pepper, broccoli, and sweet potato.

Note: Be sure to avoid the common culprits of many modern diseases and health issues: trans fats, sugar, and alcohol.

Click here to consult with a functional medicine doctor to discover your way to healthier and more luscious hair!

Topical Aides

Tropical Aides for Healthy Hair and Skin

You probably already have several items in your pantry that can be applied to your hair and scalp to stimulate hair growth and prevent breakage!

Coconut oil is extremely moisturizing and prevents damage to ends, which means less split ends. Applied to your scalp and roots, coconut oil can stimulate hair growth and healthy follicles. You can also use coconut oil as a conditioner in the shower!

Aloe Vera contains many vitamins and minerals that are vital for strong and healthy hair. It is also powerful against dandruff, as aloe vera is antibacterial and antifungal. Whether used as a topical aide and left on the scalp or taken internally, aloe vera is a powerhouse for luscious locks.

Rosemary oil is believed to increase cellular metabolism that stimulate hair growth. There has even been research showing rosemary oil working as well as conventional hair loss medication!

Medical Issues

Skin and Hair Medical Issues

There are several medical issues that may prevent hair from achieving its healthiest state, including disruptive medications and nutritional deficiencies.

Medications can cause more damage than one might realize. Blood thinners, steroids, antifungal medications, antibiotics, cholesterol-lowering medications, birth control pills and other oral contraceptives, NSAIDs, chemotherapy medications, thyroid medications, antidepressants, acne medications, and high blood pressure medications are just some of the commonly prescribed medications that can cause hair thinning, amongst other issues.

Click here for help from a functional medicine doctor to determine if your medications are inhibiting hair growth!

A zinc deficiency due to stress, poor diet, leaky gut, use of medications (NSAIDs, acid blockers, antibiotics, etc) will inhibit hair growth. Grass-fed beef and pumpkin seeds are two great sources of zinc to add to your diet.

Poor digestion and gut function will wreak havoc on more than just your hair growth. Many people experience thinning hair and hair loss due to incomplete protein digestion as a result of insufficient stomach acid. Likewise, a healthy microbiome is necessary for your body to carry out its daily routine. Leaky gut and other gut problems affect all areas of your health, so it is important to keep your gut in check.

Hormone imbalances can be due to stress, pregnancy, menopause, PCOS, as well as thyroid and adrenal issues. In fact, even male-pattern baldness can be attributed to hormones. It is very important to have your hormones checked if you are experiencing hair loss or other issues that may be linked to your hormones. Luckily, once the issues are resolved, normal hair growth should resume.

Tackling healthy hair growth both inside and out is sure to see some results. Working with a functional medicine doctor to help you determine any hormone imbalances or interferences from medications can help make the process go a lot smoother.

 


Sources:

http://drjockers.com/healthy-hair-care/

http://drjockers.com/10-nutrition-tips-for-healthy-hair/

https://draxe.com/vitamins-for-hair-growth/

https://draxe.com/natural-treatments-for-thinning-hair/

https://draxe.com/how-to-thicken-hair/

https://draxe.com/hair-loss-remedies/

https://draxe.com/coconut-oil-for-hair/

 

Tips for a Healthy Pregnancy – Dr. Justin Live Podcast #153

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand dive into a discussion about having a healthy pregnancy. Gain some valuable information as they talk about nutrition, diet and lab tests before and during pregnancy.

Learn how different factors such as estrogen dominance, autoimmune  diseases, toxic substances and nutrition issues affect fertility. Find out about In Vitro Fertilization (IVF), understand the reason why some people choose this option of conceiving and discover some of the natural solutions and recommendations to health-related and nutrition issues that hinder people from having a natural and healthy pregnancy.

 Tips For A Healthy Pregnancy

In this episode, we cover:

11:08   Factors affecting fertility 

21:36   Food sensitivities and miscarriages

25:00   In Vitro Fertilization

35:14   Blood sugar in pregnancy

36:08   Thyroid issues in pregnancy

 

 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani YouTube channel

 


 

 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live here. Dr. J in the house with Evan. Evan, how you doin’ man? How’s your day goin?

Evan Brand: Life is good. How are you doin’?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. The first podcast officially as a dad—feels really good and really rewarding. Little bit sleep deprived and my wife is taking the brunt of it, but I’m doing my best to uh— be a supporting about— a very supportive husband providing all the nutrition she needs, cooking all her meals. We got a little fridge right outside the baby’s room put upstairs. And I got—it’s stuffed with bone broth, Kombucha, sparkling mineral water, uh— filtered water electrolyte and hence, she’s got a handful of meals. Paleo meals I already prepared. She’s got some really good healthy snacks. She gets some collagen smoothies and shakes up there, so I got her like stock up some. My goal is to try to feed the baby uh—kinda proxy, right? getting all the nutrition she needs and therefore, she could take it in as easy as possible and then provide the best nutrition for the baby.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely, man. Well, congratulations. I’m super happy for you. It’s been a— been a long time coming. When you’re waiting for stuff like this, a day feels like a week and a week feels like a year, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And the baby’s name is Aiden Raymond Marchegiani. And Aiden means little fire, so. The boy— we’re really, really stoked to have him and we’re just trying to provide him as much nutrition as possible. He was in the NICU for a day and a quarter. Maybe two days, let’s just say. He had a slight collapsed lung birth. He was doing great and then as soon as the cord was cut, which we’re trying to delay clamping as much as possible—but it’s a C-section, right, so like you know while the baby’s got the cord attached, you know, mom’s open bleeding, right, so with the weighing out the benefits—

Evan Brand: Ahh..

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Normally we’d wait ‘til that cord with pulse turn til it’s white. You know, go white and such, which maybe 10 minutes or so. We didn’t quite have that luxury, so, you know, we framed it out with the OB. Had a time we delayed as long as we could, and as soon as that cord was cut, he crashed. His O2 suction levels dropped. They put a  C Pap on him. They got his O2 up; they run a chest x-ray and right after there’s a slight collapsed lung. But in a day and a quarter, day and a half—healed.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So he was super, super resilient. And we just—you know, we have to contribute the fact that my wife’s nutrition and sleep and all that stuff was just really great during her pregnancy. And that probably attributed to his resilience.

Evan Brand: I’m glad it all worked out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And you guys are home safe.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean the NICU docs were pretty—I think very shocked. They were telling me if we could be in there up to three weeks. And she was like, two days.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it was pretty great to see that.

Evan Brand: So the people are probably like, “what happened?” you know, “You guys talk so much about holistic self why a C-section? Do you care to elaborate some of that?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Let’s talk about that. I’ve talked about it in other podcast, in other episode, but people may not listen everything, so will kinda make it so it all connects. My wife had a large fibroid removed about a year and a half ago— about the size of a baby’s head. There’s a very big fibroid. She’d taken birth control pills for 15 years, you know, in her late teens into her early 30s.

Evan Brand: You think that might have caused it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that’s a contributing factor if you listen to my podcast with Dr. Horwitz, he’s a fibroid expert and he says that you know, estrogen dominant states can definitely drive fibroid growth. There’s not a lot of research on it. I don’t think there’s gonna – there’s gonna be a lot of motivation to do a lot of research on it, but we know estrogen dominance can cause things like fibroids to happen. And then the question is, what can drive estrogen dominance, right? We know stress drives it. we know, you know, estrogens drive it. We know phyto estrogens, right? We know low progesterone states can drive it. We also know birth control pills can drive estrogen dominance, right? So it’s the milieu, the hormonal milieu. And also, just not getting pregnant. Getting pregnant later in life can also drive it because when you get pregnant, you’re really driving a progesterone dominance state. And then breast feeding, right, you’re keeping progesterone levels really high, too. So my wife got pregnant at age 40 and we decided that to get the fibroid removed just because one, it was so big and number two, we just have a smaller fertility window.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The fertility window’s a lot smaller and we can get that fibroid removed we can get pregnant like that. And again, her hormones are that of a young 30 year old woman. So we had done work with her, helping her hormones, PMS, all that was really good. Her hormones were that of someone 10 years younger. She just had this big fibroid which acted like an IUD, right?

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Intra Uterine Device which basically just— imagine this fibroid there just sucking up blood flow so that when an egg comes in, it’s not gonna be able to stick because there’s not enough blood flow to sustain it, right? So soon as that fiber was removed, we get pregnant. Two weeks after it was removed. And the doctor was like, “Okay, you know, you can try.” But he’s kinda not expecting much. But as soon as we tried the first time, we got pregnant. And yeah, we actually uhm— lost that baby but it was a blighted ovum. So none—is really a baby. There was no like heartbeat or anything, which is the sack but we lost it which was tough, but you know, we just kind of attribute it to the fact that she’s went to a major surgery, right? She was under general anesthesia. She’s on pain meds. Probably wasn’t the best time to try to get pregnant. We only did because the doctor said it would be okay. But as soon as you know, that— the hCG dropped and she got her period back, we tried again and then we got pregnant. So uh—that’s the baby we had now, Aiden, so, we’re very stoked. So the reason why we had to do the C-section, coming back, is because the incision was along the posterior section of the uterus which had kinda weaken the uterus which had her increase her chance of a uterine rupture. And because of that increased chance of a uterine rupture—the uterus rupture is you know baby and mom can die. So they had to pull the baby out four weeks sooner week 36 just to ensure that uterus wouldn’t rupture. It’s only a 1% chance but you know we spoke to midwives and OBs and no one recommended— no one would even do a natural birth.

Evan Brand: Oh, wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just because of the liability was so high. But I was able to watch the whole entire surgery. And I literally—you know, they her uterus in her hand and I was like, “Hey, can you look at the backside?” This is after the baby was born. They turn at the backside. “How’s the posterior incision? Let’s look at it.” And she was like lookin’ at it, “I can’t even see an incision.” So the uterus healed up so strong and what I attribute that to is I have my wife on the Tru Collagen every day. She was doing about 30 g of collagen every single day. And I know that those collagen, amino acids had to— made a huge difference in helping to provide extra building blocks to the— to her uterus to heal up. But they couldn’t even see an incision to the back.

Evan Brand: Well, also, you mentioned she had no stretch marks, too, which is a pretty remarkable testimonial.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. She had no stretch marks. Again, the baby came four weeks early so some women will say, “the stretchmark comes that last 2 to 4 weeks” But again, in my opinion a lot of people are getting a lot of their protein from muscle meats which is, you know, still good. But, again, collagen is gonna be connective tissue protein. That’s ligaments, tendons, cartilage, hide skin, right? So you’re getting a lot more building blocks that are gonna help the connective tissue and the skin. And a lot of what’s happening with the stretching of the skin and the fascia and all that tissue is gonna be connective tissue-based. So I think that providing one, lots of healthy fats and two, providing all the extra collagen peptides really help number one, her uterus heal, number two help the skin heal and number three, I also think it will help uhm—the breast. A lot of women, their breast tissue kinda gets flattened and kind of, you know, really just kind of uhm—just flattened a bit. Maybe the breast will start sagging and hanging and such after a long time of breastfeeding. I think the connective tissue support will also help the integrity of the breast tissue as well.

Evan Brand: Ahh.. That’s interesting.t I believe that there’s probably gonna be benefits. I mean, I wonder if we compared standard American women compared to hunter-gatherer women. Like what was the difference in their skin quality probably huge difference coz the hunter gatherers eating the marrow and the collagen and the bones and doing more stuff than typical women do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean if you look at some of the anthropomorphic kind of research, like they talk about literally taking the organs and like harvesting them. And the organs would be like literally given to the women that were fertile, that were trying to get pregnant because they knew the organs were incredibly, you know, nutrient dense. And there’s also research to these women like would literally give birth uhm— that— that day and be back out on the field later on that day or that next day working.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s crazy, right? I mean they probably had a lot less stress in her life, too, right?

Evan Brand: True.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very, very little stress, but still uhm— it’s amazing what the body is capable of doing. So that is kinda like my back stories that just kinda summarizing uh—history of fibroid and there are natural ways to reduce fibroids and I’ve seen them reduced and it help with those kind of situation in the past. We just—we’re dealing with the time window, right? And if a woman’s like in her 20s or early 30s and has a few years, hey, that may be a good thing to try, but in my opinion, uhm— you know, if you’re up against a pregnancy window, getting it surgically removed is good. But if you listen to my interview Dr. Horwitz he said women that he’s removed the same fibroid three times. So what does that tell you? That just because you remove a fibroid, that does not fix the underlying issue of why that fibroid is growing anyway, right?

Evan Brand: That makes sense. So the birth control, for example, could’ve been one thing. There gotta be an insulin components, my guess.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s probably an insulin component, too, for sure. There’s probably toxicity component too, right? Coz a lot of toxins are estrogenic compound.

Evan Brand: Yup. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So there’s some of that. So we’re trying to do our best to support all that and again one, of the protocols will be doing is using some systemic-based enzymes or peptidase etc. to really help. She has one tiny fibroid still there. It’s in around the fallopian tube. The fallopian tubes is so patent. So it’s still open and I literally was like, you know, you’re yellin’ at the OB, “Hey, can you check out her left fallopian tube. How does it look?” She’s like, “Oh, that little, tiny fibroid—like you know, half of the fingernail, still there in the fallopian tube, but it’s not growing. So, you know, our goal is we’re gonna try to work on dissolving that one naturally uhm—you know, over the next few years.

Evan Brand: That’s amazing. So when it had to be cut out, you can just go in there with tweezers and yank it off or something, it’s not that easy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. The fallopian tube’s kinda—you could, but you’d compromise the fallopian tube.

Evan Brand: Oh, wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And the fallopian tube is still open, so it doesn’t make sense. She had one little, tiny fibroid actually uhm— there at the incision site, where they cut the uterus to deliver the baby. So actually, she got two for one. They removed that little baby fibroid at the incision.

Evan Brand: Wow! Did you see that? What did it look like?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, it’s just—I got pictures of it, but uh—yeah, it’s just like a little, like mini golf ball.

Evan Brand: Really? And what—what’s the texture of it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s kinda like uh—fibrous.

Evan Brand: Oh, that makes sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So like uhm—I’m trying to think of a consistency— it’s just— it’s dense but it’s a slight bit of squishiness to it, but it’s still—

Evan Brand: Yeah. That makes sense. That’s amazing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Almost like a tennis ball-like consistency.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But it’s still pretty firm.

Evan Brand: Yup, I understand.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So that’s kinda like the back— the back history on myself and my wife but when you’re looking at fertility, right, we look at a couple of things. Number one: How are the hormones, right? How are the hormones? Number two: How—how are the pipes, right? Are the fallopian tubes open? How’s the endometrial lining? Is it—is it okay for something to be able to, you know, implant there. And then number three: is we look at the dad.

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How’s the sperm count, motility, morphology. I was actually, really has no problem at that moment—that I was rock solid on all those numbers. So I felt very, very good about that.

Evan Brand: See that’s the problem, you know, You and I worked with so many— so many women. Primarily, men aren’t coming to us for fertility issues, but they have to come on board because it’s part of the equation. And a lot of these women that we speak with, the men, they just have a terrible diet. So we may put the mom or the future mom on AIP, but then the dad is still eating ice cream and pizza. And then they end up at the—in the—what do they call it, the vitro fertilization doctors, who want to spend what? 10-12-15 grand. But they may be unnecessary in most cases if we get the dad straightened out as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly. I mean, a lot of times, you know, what’s gonna affect the fertility is number one: having a nutrient poor diet; not having enough high-quality nutrients like zinc and arginine and healthy fats and proteins. And then also uhm— mitochondrial support coz sperm needs mitochondria to move or needs a healthy mitochondrial nutrients to be able to the kind of propel it, so to speak, right? So we have to make sure a lot of the good mitochondrial support there. And then we’re just not putting a bunch of toxins in there, right? Like we’re avoiding the plastics, we’re avoiding the pesticides, the chemicals, the round up, the glyphosate—all these compounds that are not gonna be so good for it.

Evan Brand: Yeah. The endocrine disruptors like you mentioned, like the plastic, so getting men and women off of Tupperware. I guess, by the way, if you haven’t figured out, this topic we’re— we’re talking about fertility today. Since Justin and I are both dads and our wives are both moms. This is a good topic for us. We’ve had first-hand experience on. So this is not theory and there’s also some science behind what we talk about. But that the endocrine disruptors that can cause things like the PCOS, which a lot of women that come to us, they’ve had PCOS. Previously are there—they’re trying to get help in reversing PCOS. That can be a huge, huge hormonal function disruptor that can affect fertility. So we’ve got to get rid of the the plastics. Plastic straws are a big one because your saliva, you know, my opinion, you’re breaking down that plastic a bit and you’re absorbing some of the— the phthalates in the plastic softeners when you’re chewing and using straws as toothpicks, that’s not a good one. Also, you’ve got flooring, too, like vinyl flooring. So if you’re walking barefoot on a vinyl floor, that’s typically gonna have phthalates in it. You’ve also got issues with the men as well. They’re just as susceptible to exposure to phthalates and other type of toxins. You mentioned pesticide so definitely going organic. If someone’s a mom, a lot of times women they’ve already had her first kid but they wanna have another kid and they are coming to you or I would see that a lot, too. You know,  I tell a lot of moms have got to stay away from a lot of the playgrounds because they use the rubber tires, the recycled tire playgrounds and those are very, very toxic and I’ve measured moms with the GPL tox chemical profile test from Great Plains and they’ve got the rubber toxins off the chart. And I say, “where are you playing?” And they say, “Oh, we go to one of those playgrounds with the recycled rubber tires” And that stuff is just super toxic or let’s say the mom has a kid who started sports, my God, I work with the woman last week who lived in London, and her child he was off the charts himself. So we haven’t tested mom yet, but we tested the kid coz we’re working more with him than her. And the kid was off the charts with 2,4-D— the agent orange chemical that they used in Vietnam. And I said you know, “Where are you guys playing?” And she goes, “Oh, he plays soccer” I said, “Is that football or soccer?” Coz she call it football. So is that football football or is that soccer?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Evan Brand: And so she’s on the field with this kid multiple times a week. In the field, just sprayed, I’m sure, pounds and pounds and pounds of glyphosate and 2,4-D

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean I kinda go back and forth, what’s worse, right, being on the artificial turf stuff or being on the grass? Coz you know the grass has given a whole bunch of chemicals, right?

Evan Brand: I Know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I—for me, and again, how many research? I’m just—a lot of what I do is common sense and based clinically.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz I probably rather be on the synthetic turf grass because at least you know it’s not being spray with round up.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ..and pesticides all the time.

Evan Brand: I know. I don’t think they spray anything. One other thing about men, you know, when we’re talking about fertility for men, sperm quality. Heavy metals is huge. Mercola had an article about infertility where he was talking about how men are much more susceptible to issues in their fertility with heavy metals than eggs. So the eggs in the female were less affected by heavy metals and other pollutants than men. So that’s pretty interesting. A lot of guys have metal amalgams in their mouth. So we may— I’ve not personally had to go that far with any of my clients but what would you say? Would you say that could be a possible step? Does the man have to— may have to get a amalgam removal is done?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean I think that’s definitely an option. If we’re seeing elevations in heavy metals—anytime I have someone a male with fertility issues, once the diet’s good and we’ve eliminated toxin exposure, then it’s about what nutrients can we add to enhance sperm quality, and then what things can we add to enhance detoxification.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Maybe phase I or phase II detoxifying nutrients and maybe things to help push the heavy metal binding. So again, I’d wanna look at all that and if we’re seeing high levels of metals, and we know Mercury’s there, and then we’re seeing the person also the history of fillings— heavy metal fillings and then we wanna get that removed.

Evan Brand: Tapwater. Gotta have a good clean water that the person is drinking. We talked about the— the phthalates. So the xeno estrogens—coz that’s gonna affect the males.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So if the male is more like a woman, you know, he’s got a lot of excess breast tissue and things like that, and we can assume, “okay you’ve probably got some estrogen problems” So just like you mentioned about females. Same thing for men, it could be an estrogen dominance problem.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And we can look at that from two perspectives. I did a video called the “Hormone Switch” I recommend everyone to take a look at that. Will try to put links below for the “Hormone Switch” But when men’s blood sugar’s off, when they start moving into a direction of insulin resistance, they increase this enzyme called aromatase, which causes the hormone to switch. It will cause their testosterone to go more towards estrogen. And we see that quite frequently. And again, one of the best thing get one of the best thing you can do is put on more muscle. That will make you more insulin sensitive. A high intensity training type of regimen where you’re doing like a long, slow movement to get muscle activation or to get HGH, where you’re doing interval stuff. That’s gonna help significantly get the blood sugar under control and get the inflammation under control. A lot of these stuff, we always go back to the foundation coz we know there are people that are new that are listening every day so we don’t want to assume that the foundation is there. And all of our patients that listen, you know, listeners they get that. We kinda feel like a broken recored, but just to emphasize for new listeners.

Evan Brand: Yeah. We wanna get rid of dairy. I mean that’s gonna be huge on the diet piece. We’re talking about or talk about stabilizing blood sugar; we’re getting refined carbs out; were getting sugars out, but dairy, too. You know, depending on what piece of research you look at, that could be 60 to 70% of the estrogens consumed is coming from dairy, especially these cows that are not organic. So for us, the dairy is always gonna come out. Organic veggies are always good come in, organic fats, your nuts, your seeds, your vegetables. Unless the woman has some type of like Hashimoto’s problem which that can complicate things with fertility. Sometimes if there’s a thyroid issue, but let’s just assume that the person can do a good quality butter, can do some nuts, some seeds, maybe a little game meat even. That’d be cool. If we could get the mom eating some—some deer, or some type of game organ meats, or sardines.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand:..or other home-cooked, home-sourced wild turkey, which we have ton of turkeys here. Those are awesome, too. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like local fish is an option here in Kentucky. I was reading the report by the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife. They said that most of the fish are toxic here, unfortunately. With the— with high levels of mercury. So they set for people wanting to get pregnant or pregnant people should avoid the fish, which kinda sucks.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Actually when it comes to the fish component, uhm—I have an article that I give my patients but really, it comes down to number one: trying to get the wild—you know, the wild Alaskan or like some kind of flash frozen, kinda wild fish, I think is great, is ideal. But it’s looking at the selenium to mercury ratio. Because fish are going to have a little bit mercury. The question is, “Is there enough selenium to combat it?” Because the selenium is the natural chelator of mercury. So just try to choose high selenium to mercury ratio fish. So skip Jack tuna. It’s gonna be the best type of fish off the bat uh—cod, haddock, sole, halibut. Those things are good. I have a good article in my member’s area for my patients. But if you just google like “high selenium to mercury ratio fish” you’ll get a nice list there.

Evan Brand: Uh—cool. I love cod, haddock. Those are awesome. I had something pulled up. I was trying to see I may have lost it, but just mentioning the link between food sensitivities and also miscarriages. Basically what happened is the link between having some type of allergenic reaction, you’ve got the cytokines that are basically suppressing the killer cells.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Evan Brand: But when the immune system is off, the body can accidentally attack the egg. So basically, long story short, it sounds like just searching, investigating and finding out for food intolerances, which we’re gonna push most people into kind of a Paleo template as the starting place. Probably no grains, but at least no gluten, no dairy as a starting place. Will probably gonna rule a lot of those food intolerances out within the first month.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Even push to autoimmune shtick as well. I know you kinda talk about a deer. That’s good when you’re doing autoimmune shtick, but I think adding at least back in the ghee and definitely the butter, as long as you can tolerate it, as long as like, there my patients are following the reintroduction protocol, which is adding the food back in over a three-day period. Gently increasing the amount as long as no negative reactions that’s fine coz you know, butter butyric acid’s a 1:6 uhm— carbon fatty acids. So it’s a medium chain triglycerides, so to speak, right? It’s very short chain length. It’s four carbons or six carbons, but it’s a really good fat; it’s a lot of nutrition, a lot of vitamin K which is really, really good for fertility uhm— so that’s uh—excellent fat as long as you can tolerate it, I think that’s great.

Evan Brand: And other bad things, too, like alcohol.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Of course. Like alcohol number one: it’s a toxin. Again, in moderation maybe okay but number two: it gets metabolized to sugar. So if you have a little bit insulin resistance or blood sugar stuff, that can be a stressor. Again there’s ways to hack it by just using higher-quality alcohol and by timing it with protein and a little bit of fat uh—with your meals. It can slow down some of the absorption but you know, for a time period, if you have health issues, cutting it out for a month or two maybe a good idea to start with. And then choosing some of the drier, you know, white wines or drier champagne or Presecco or doing a really clean tequila or really clean vodka. Again, my Dr. J Moscow mules is one of my go-to’s  use with uh—Tito’s vodka and the ginger Kombucha and some lime. Or I just do a really good like Sean Don or like a really good brewed Presecco, very dry. I like the bubbles. Bubbles are uhm—you know the uh— the seltzer or like the CO2 carbonation. The bubbles are actually—there is actually research studies where they increase alcohol absorption with the bubbles. I was reading one study. I was like, “Damn, I love  to be in the study.” Like— you know, 15 years ago when I was in college, they were like, “ Yeah. We had a group of college kids and we gave one group alcohol and one group alcohol with you know carbonation and soda water.” I’m like, “that’s a great study for college.” Right? I know like, yeah, the group that got the carbonation with their alcohol uhm—you know, felt the effects, felt the intoxication effects or the buzz, you know, the so-called buzz effects sooner. So there’s some research with the carbonation in there helping to absorb the alcohol. So what does that mean, right? It means you’re a cheaper date.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You— less of it to get that same buzz, which means less toxicity on the liver. So that’s why like add the bubbles in there, that’s better. And you get that with my Dr. J Moscow Mule. Uh—you can do it as well with my Norcal margarita and we just you know, do a little bit of soda water in there when you can also do a really dry Sean Don or brewed Prosecco kinda drink there.

Evan Brand: Perfect. Let’s talk about IVF just for a minute. A lot of people and you know, the in vitro fertilization is like the first step if they are struggling. Diet, lifestyle, stopping smoking, which is insane. My wife had some friends that she’s not friends with them anymore because they’re just there were not good people overall. So we— we cut them out. They were too toxic in many ways.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Emotionally and physically, smoking cigarettes around her when she was pregnant, all sorts of crazy stuff. So we got rid of them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s hard for someone to truly be emotionally balanced and healthy if they’re not physically healthy because the mind-body connection is just— it’s so strong, right?

Evan Brand: I know. Uhm—so anyway— but these people that used to be her friends.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: The guy, the dad, they were struggling with years. I think they were in their early 30s. They were struggling for years. They still do not have a child to this day. The guy was drinking beer almost every weekend, daily smoking of cigarettes, Mountain Dew’s. But yet they went to an in vitro fertilization doc and they were gonna spend 10 or 15,000 for the therapy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: It’s just insane. You’re not addressing the root cause.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, you’re not. I mean, typically the first, you know, thing they’re going to do is they’re gonna do some kind of Clomid or FSH stimulating drug. The core goal of that is to increase the eggs, increasing amount of eggs, right? So they’ll do like Clomiphene Citrate or some kinda Clomid and then depending on sperm quality. If the sperm count is low, they may do IUI which is like intrauterine insemination kinda fancy turkey baster.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The sperm up and they may wash it and stuff and pick the best ones and then they’ll inject it right into the uterus. So then there’s no journey of these guys have to— the sperm cells have to make to get up there, right? Coz if they’re a little bit more mitochondrial depleted, or they don’t have good mor—motility, like they’re not moving in the right direction or their shapes not good. They may not be able to make the journey. So the whole idea is to use that uhm—artificial turkey baster. You can get it right there, so their journey is shorter, right? You’re cutting their journey down by 80% and then they’re stimulating the heck out of the eggs. That’s the first step. And the next step is full IVF which is they’re basically giving you drugs like Lupron to shut down your HP AG access, you know, your hypothalamus pituitary axis, And they’re gonna give drugs to stimulate FSH. Uh—they’re gonna give drugs to then manipulate ovulation. And then they’ll probably give some kind of uh—progesterone afterwards to help hold the implantation of the egg. That’s pretty much the cookbook. There are new medication that comes in—Gonal-F, Follistim, Lupron. All these different drugs may be used uhm—but the goal is kinda the same— stimulate, you know, egg production, enhance ovulation, help hold onto uhm— progesterone levels so the eggs stick better.

Evan Brand: Well, I remember seeing a picture. I think it’s a picture of my wife that showed me where this couple had had hundreds of vials— like an entire couch or an entire floor full of vials that were daily injections, I believe, for that whole process. Which this is one: it’s expensive; two: that just doesn’t sound very fun; and three: in a lot of cases, I don’t have any numbers. I’m not gonna make up a number on the spot, but in so many cases, if you just address diet, lifestyle infections, thyroid health, adrenal health, you’re doing the fatty acids like you talked about, the collagens, your zincs and selenium’s, and your natural folate’s, and your vitamin C, and your omega-3’s, it’s like that’s a prescription that’s gonna have far higher success rate and it’s gonna be virtually free because you have to eat to survive. So you’re going to be eating all these good things, anyway.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And we do things like chase tree and tribulus to modulate LH and FSH. So like that will modulate FSH; the tribulus will modulate LH with chase tree. And these are things that help talk—help the brain talk to the end gonads, you know and create stimulate the follicle or help the progesterone, right? So will do that with some herbs. We can always c_  augmentation protocol where we put estrogen—I’m sorry—progesterones in there, right? at certain times of the cycle, day 15-27. We can even add in some uterine supporting herbs like maca, m__, dong quia, alpha alpha, raspberry leaf extract. These are great uterine tonic herbs that really help the blood flow get to the uterus which is good because that uterus— these adequate blood flow to help support that egg when it sticks. So I tell patients think of progesterone as a sticky glue that helps the egg hold, but we need good uterine flow. That’s why my wife and I had a hard time getting pregnant at first because we have this fibroid that was sucking a lot of the angiogenesis out, right, the angiogenesis’ blood flow. So it’s creating a lot of blood flow to the fibroid and not to whatever else was gonna stick there i.e. the egg.

Evan Brand: So did you all have to do herbs? Or did you do herbs or just the diet lifestyle is all you needed?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh—we had herbs going in the background the whole time.

Evan Brand: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We had that the whole time there and uhm— a little bit of progesterone going as well. And again, we just— I measured it, like I want 15 or higher, 20 is ideal. So Iike after she got pregnant, we measured progesterone. We make sure it was adequate. And it was, so we pulled off it.

Evan Brand: And what were you doing? Like drops or—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Progesterone drops. Yup. Exactly. So, like typically like a 100 mg is a good starting point once you get pregnant. And again, we just monitor it and it just kept on rocking. And again, if the ACG is high enough, typically the progesterone will be high enough because the hCG is uhm—gonna be produced by you know the follicle and also the placenta will kick in and produce it as well. And that hCG will then jack up the progesterone, too.

Evan Brand: Oh, that’s cool. all that’s cool okay you didn’t you didn’t have to continue, you’re saying?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. You know, we didn’t have to. But some women who have lower progesterone, they may have to keep that progesterone going for the first trimester.

Evan Brand: Now is that something you have to get via prescription or are there over-the-counter natural ones you can get?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It depends. I mean, I typically give my sublingual one until I can get the fertility OB to write one, just more from a legal standpoint. I rather have the OB write about identical prescription just so, you know, if they’re working with that person that we know it’s covered. But the protocol is gonna be the same and typically will do like an intervaginal uhm— progesterone just so we know it’s getting right to the tissue. It’s—it’s— it’s being released closest to the tissues. So will do that. If we have an option, some OBs that they won’t do it uhm— just because they’re not looking at the progesterone or because a woman doesn’t have a—a history of miscarriage. They’re not gonna even look at it. But I mean, do you really wanna go through a miscarriage then know your at risk to then wait to the next time to do it?

Evan Brand: No joke. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I rather be monitoring it. And you know, if it’s below 15 or you know, I’m gonna be supplementing with some progesterone to make sure their support there. You can’t go wrong with it. Just make sure you’re using the good-quality progesterone. And again, we’re giving a lot of clinical advice here. And there maybe a lot of people that are just lay people listening. I don’t recommend doing this by yourself if you really want to work with the provider that’s done this a lot, so uhm— you know what’s going on and you wanna have everything looked at. So you want to make sure that we’re supporting the adrenals. Typically when someone’s pregnant, the only thing I’ll keep them on are nutrition, nutrients, whether it’s vitamins, minerals, amino. I’ll typically keep them on probiotics, I’ll keep them on digestive support, HCL enzymes and the only hormone I’ll typically keep them on, when they are pregnant, if it’s necessary “necessary” is the progesterone.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. Well that’s the thing. We love talking about adaptogens so much but nobody’s gonna do the research on rhodiola or these other herbs and how they could impact the fetus. So we just, you know, we love those things but we just can’t safely recommend them because we just don’t know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s probably safe, but again, like, think about it, who’s gonna sign up for that study?

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Whose gonna sign up? “Hey, by the way, congrats! You’re pregnant. Hey we’d love to have you sign up for this study where we test these adaptogenic herbs on health and viability”  “Uh—no, I’m good.

Evan Brand: Right. So I mean—some of it we can draw from—from ancient peoples what they’ve used. Like you mentioned the chase tree which has been used in extreme long time. So a lot of it, we’ve probably already lost due to just modern life. We’ve lost touch with our hunter-gatherers, what herbs and plants and trees and stuff that they use during pregnancy, unfortunately. But like you said, diet lifestyle, foundations, HCL, enzymes, probiotics, fish oils, vitamin D. Did you hit— did you mention that one?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We did not. But vitamin D is definitely important. We have to have to look at potentially even give my baby a little bit extra. I was speaking to one of the in the neonatal uhm— docs there and he was telling me you know, you may want to give your child an additional above and beyond what’s in the breast milk 400IU sublingually uhm— for the baby. So we’re looking at getting some extra bit of that, but, you know, we’re gonna weigh it out. If we can get the kid out there at 8 AM in the morning 15 minutes out in the sun at 8 AM that may be enough, right?  We don’t even need the drops.

Evan Brand: Yeah. What the—lady we spoke with said. She said as long as my wife was getting 6 to 8000 units that which I think this is just probably her making up numbers on the spot but she said that if my wife were supplementing with 68,000 units daily that the baby would probably end up getting at least 500 to 1000 units from that that would pass through.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that, too. I asked that and they were like, well you should still give it. But it’s probably like a CYA comment.

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You don’t know exactly, but I think if she’s getting 6 to 10,000 the day, I think you’re gonna get 5% transfer to the—the baby in the breast milk.

Evan Brand: I guarantee it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think it’s probably good. So we’re probably gonna make sure she just getting 10,000 a day with the K2 and just get the kid out in the sun a couple times a week in those early morning hours and you know, just enough to give him a little sun kiss. Nothing else.

Evan Brand: Yup. Do you wanna talk about lab test for a couple minutes and just talk about what we would recommend someone get if before they even think about conceiving. You know, we kinda talk about pregnancy and birth and delivery and all that, but really, it begins far before that. So you and I kind of talk a bit like a five or six trimester is really what pregnancy is coz you gotta do the preparation then the postnatal care is important, too. So vitamin D—we hit on that. As a blood panel, insulin or blood sugar if you knew you, had a history, you could get the stuff done. Uh—fasting insulin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The fasting insulin’s great. We want less than seven, ideally, less than five. We may even want to just do some functional glucose tolerance testing, i.e. just testing your blood sugar with a blood sugar meter. Fasting one hour, two hour, three hours after a meal. Choose a couple of different meals a couple times a week, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Some people we hire in the morning coz of the somogyi effect which is totally cortisol driven. So you’ve gotta keep that in mind.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And uhm–  I would say, we’re gonna do an adrenal test, for sure. And we may just do a female hormone test around day 20. We’re looking at estrogens and progesterones and such and testosterone, but if there’s a more of a fertility history there, we may run was called the “month-long test” or on the 209 panel from Bio health which is a month-long panel. Will look at progesterone level starting at day 2 every other day in the cycle.

Evan Brand: Thyroid markers. I’m gonna look for antibodies, your TPO, your TG antibodies..

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: To see if there’s autoimmune going on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If there’s some history going on, or symptoms, will definitely do it, but you know, TSH, T4,T3 antibodies, reverse T3’s is great. And you know, one of the things that I give my wife during pregnancy is a couple hundred extra micrograms of iodine a day. There’s some good research about helping the babies IQ. So we did a little bit of that.

Evan Brand: You can have a genius baby now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Now the goal is to give the kid all of the all the resources it possibly can, right? That’s the goal of you know, being a great mom and great dad is giving your kid as much potential as possible. And a lot of that’s gonna be uhm— healthy pregnancy, right? Healthy nutrition, healthy prenatal nutrition.

So healthy fats, healthy protein, healthy carbs, nutrient density has to be high, inflammation has to be low and uhm— making sure there’s enough calories and good macros. And we’re going a little bit higher on the carbs right now. But this is true when you eat for two.

Evan Brand: A 100% man. Tell me, my wife, she— she ate way more than me and she still—she actually weighs now than she did before she got pregnant which is interesting. I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a great benefit in breast feeding.

Evan Brand: It’s definitely depleting, though. It can be depleting, so we’re doing our best to keep her— to keep her full and—and satiated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We also did placenta encapsulation as well.

Evan Brand: Oh, sweet man. Yup. Cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I actually have pictures of a placenta. It’s pretty cool.

Evan Brand: I planted my wife’s with a tree.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really? Wow!

Evan Brand: A little tree sprout, a little maple tree sprout at our old house. I had the placenta coz we’re going to do encapsulation. We had a doula that’s gonna do it for us, so we decided—she felt so good postnatally that she didn’t need it. And—and so I had the placenta in the freezer, took it out so I could actually mold at first, you know, mold it a little bit and dug uh— dug a giant hole, buried it couple feet under with the— with the little maple sapling right there. So there should be a tree there one day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow! That’s amazing. So we had it encapsulated, so she’s doing three capsules 3 to 4 times a day. And then we have uhm—we actually had a  tincture made, too, which is pretty cool.

Evan Brand: A placenta tincture?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. And we’re gonna save that for menopause for her.

Evan Brand: Really?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: When she transition to menopause, we’ll use that tincture.

Evan Brand: That’s a thrift.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Isn’t that cool?

Evan Brand: I did not know that. So what’s—what’s the idea there? There’s gonna some naturally occurring hormones in the placenta that will help to ease menopausal symptoms?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Evan Brand: Ahh—Okay. We’ve got uhm—we’ve got a couple questions. I think they may not be related to our topic because our topic’s pretty niche today. But do you want to look at these questions here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We try to grab the ones that are most relevant for sure.

Evan Brand: Okay. There was a person named, Chris here, that said he was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s and is displaying signs of hypoglycemia with perfect blood sugar, what could it be? That’s gonna be a good question. Do you get that question?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So his blood sugar may look good but why does it look good, right? The question is— are the adrenals coming to the rescue to make that

Evan Brand: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz if the adrenals are coming to the rescue and lifting that blood sugar up, there’s gonna be a lot of cortisol and adrenaline in the background which are gonna create a lot of anxiety, and mood issues, and irritability, and a lot of things where your blood sugar may look good, but the question is, what’s lifting that blood sugar up? Ideally, we want healthy blood sugar by diet, meal timing, nutritional density so the blood sugar is lifted up naturally not relying on the adrenals to keep it lifted.

Evan Brand: Yeah. With the adrenals are kind of the backup generators of the adrenals are getting involved with your blood sugar regulation, that’s not good. That means something else is off elsewhere, but if the diagnosis of Hashimoto’s is there, too, could we say that if—if there signs of hypoglycemia maybe it’s not hypoglycemia, maybe it’s thyroid as well because I mean the thyroid can make you feel like your fatigued and lethargy and then all of a sudden, you’re over stimulated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. If you have hyp—If you have Hashimoto’s there’s probably potentially some T4 to T3 conversion issues.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And there’s probably some adrenal issues so all that stuff needs to be looked at and then again, we don’t even know where that— this person is in the hierarchy of diet and lifestyle.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we’re assuming that diet and lifestyles are already even adjusted. 30 g of protein in the first waking, eating— eating healthy proteins, fats and the right amount occurs every 4-5 hours or assuming that that’s already dialed in.

Evan Brand: In preferably on an AIP approach and until the antibodies are very, very minimal in the single digits or less.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If possible, I typically wait till there’s a there’s plateauing of uh symptoms. Some people may not be able to get them all the way low but you know, we at least want to get them under 500 or so. It depends. If we could get  someone under 500, that’s a pretty good reduction.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Again—

Evan Brand: What’s the highest you’ve seen with TPO? I think the highest I’ve seen was like 1600 on a TPO.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve seen over 2000. I mean I have patients literally go from over 2000 to under hundred.

Evan Brand: Yup. What’s the timeline? A year?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’ve seen it happen in six months to a year.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. The average person that I work with, we have at least a 50% reduction in antibodies.

Evan Brand: Right. That’s awesome. I love seen that on a piece of paper. When you actually get to validate it, but then their symptoms are better, too. It’s such a double win.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh and I had so many patients say their endocrinologist just says, “there’s nothing you can do about that”

Evan Brand: No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And it’s like over and over again, and we just continue to prove them wrong and it’s just like, “man!”

Evan Brand: It’s a great feeling.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I feel so bad. It’s just like, you know, imagine having someone like, you know, hiring someone to fix your house and all they have is just a hammer. It’s like, “dude, you’re missing the saw and the screwdriver, this and everything” It’s like functional medicine is that we get so many tools at our disposal. We’re not limited to just like that one pharmaceutical tool that’s supposed to be in our toolbox, right?

Evan Brand: Yup. Well the same thing with fertility question. I mean, you and I have  talked to dozens and dozens of men and women who’ve been told that they will never be able to have children, yet we’ve aided, and many, many babies, you know, just being made by helping women get their hormones back on line and fixing the underlying issues, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s it, man. I 100% agree. So, I hope that helps there. Anything else we can grab before__

Evan Brand: Yeah. Let’s see what we have here. That was unrelated questions—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Someone was asking about Probio Flora and Sacro Flora. And again, those are some of my probiotic products. Sacro Flora is a high-dose saccharomycin, Probio Flora is a high-dose bifido-lactobacillus uhm—probiotic. We typically do that for at least 60 days after a parasite killing protocol.

Evan Brand: Here’s a good— here’s a good question here from Naomi. She said she’s been diagnosed with blastocystis hominis, which for those listening, that’s a common parasite infection we see. She’s exclusively breast-feeding a six-month-old and the antibiotic metronidazole did not seem to work. “Is it possible to treat while still feeding baby?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The only way I would treat it is with probiotics right now. I would not do any herbs. I would choose two probiotics. I would do Saccharomyces and high-dose probiotics that’s the only thing I would do right now to treat it.

Evan Brand: Yup. So, Naomi, when the time comes for you to wean off the baby which if it six months this may be another year or so, we don’t know how long you intend to breast-feed, at that time, reach back out to us. Justin and myself we can help you get rid of the blasto using herbs but, yeah, with these anti-parasitic herbs, we—we just— it’s just not—not a safe. Well it might be safe, but we just don’t know. We don’t know if that’s—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It probably would be safe, but we don’t want a chance and we rather be just conservative, right? Always do no harm. So I feel very comfortable recommending probiotics. There’s been studies done on kiddos, actually, looking at Saccharomyces polarity uh—compared to Flagyl Metronidazole Tri and Blasto, and it’s just as good, if not better.

Evan Brand: Yup. So look it up, Saccharomyces polarity. Check out Justin’s, we both got Saccharomyces polarity products. There’s a lot of good ones out there. Just make sure you get professional grade, so that actually works.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.

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Andy Hnilo – Creating optimal skin and body – Podcast #150

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Andy Hnilo engage in a very informative discussion about skin care, scar healing and recovery. Know about the natural ingredients found in Alitura Skin Care line and be informed about the products it offers.

Learn about how Andy Hnilo came up with his clay mask and how his past and present experiences as an athlete and model contributed to his success. Gain some very helpful insights about his lifestyle and the natural food supplements and ingredients that he uses for a healthy and glowing skin.

Andy Hnilo

In this episode, we cover:

06:55   Natural Ingredients for scar healing and recovery

11:57   Micro needling and laser resurfacing

16:59   Skin Health and Gut connection

27:51   Acne Issues

34:30   Plant Stem Cells

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there! It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. Welcome back to Beyond Wellness Radio. Really excited. We got Andy Hnilo here. It’s a silent “H”, right, Andy?

Andy Hnilo: Silent “H”—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Haha.. I know, right? Same with me with the last name “Marchegiani” So I get it. I feel your pain. 

Andy Hnilo: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How have you been today, Andy?What’s going on?

Andy Hnilo: Hey, I’m good. I’m good. Livingthe dream out here in Glen Oak__. I got a nice backyard now whereas before I just had a— like little single apartment. I just moved here, so—this is like my second podcast that I’ve done but, yeah, it’s fun. It’s like a whole different area, I’m trying to find good lighting, you know, nice comfortable place to do this but—wouldn’t want to have it any other way, man. I’m good. How about you? How are you?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just great. It’s like 80° Austin, Texas. They gonna be uh—going to do some waterskiing this weekend if the weather holds up nice, so really excited.

Andy Hnilo: What? Lake Austin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Lake Austin, man. Love it.

Andy Hnilo: Right on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. You’re coming down for Paleo effects in May, right?

Andy Hnilo: I am. Yeah. You’re speaking right here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I’ll be excited to check out your booth. I know you  don’t want to share.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. We did that uh—see, we did that was it the year before where we only have one product and that— it was really good. Very busy and that— it’s growing as you know – as good confer—good conferences like that—just— it’s easily the biggest Pale conference probably in the world.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Andy Hnilo: One of the top health and wellness conferences. You can go to that. I would say Bulletproof, natural products is pretty good. But, yeah—it’s big. I’m really looking forward to—to be able to have more—a lot of products now, so—most people—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Absolutely. And you actually crossed my radar screen. Number one: you had an amazing story that I wanted you to kinda talk about. Kind of that, you know, far from grace and this whole experience kinda brought you this— or where you’re at now with Alitura. I really want you to go into that story in a sec. And also, I’ve heard uhm— lots of patients and even staff members that work for me that the rave about your skincare line. They were saying, “Yeah, we’re using this line.” Just tell me more about it. And then they send me your info and I was educating myself on it and just seeing the quality of ingredients. And I know Dave Asprey was betting you which, you know, Dave puts his stamp of approval, it’s gotta be high-quality product, so—

Andy Hnilo: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love the product.I want to get more info. I got a whole bunch of uhm— product coming my way so I’m looking forward to trying it myself, number one. And number two I’m excited to, you know, for the listeners to hear your story in kinda what you went through to—to bring this kind of __?

Andy Hnilo: Well, yeah. First, thank you. That’s awesome. It’s uh—it’s always fun. I mean this uh—it all startedMarch 20, 2011. I was in an accident where I was hit by a by a westbound heavy vehicle hittin’ the eastbound lane and then run over by a landrover

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: My God!

Andy Hnilo: And I woke up—yeah. It’s pretty—pretty—pretty rough. I mean we just passed the six year anniversary with uh—about a week and half ago.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Andy Hnilo: So—it’s—it’s always difficult to remember where my family was at that point and where I was in a state of recovery. I’m justlucky to be alive, so— It’s pretty difficult but I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I’m movin’—I definitely moved past it. I mean I have something now to like—to you know, look forward to wake up to, which is the business. Definitely was uh—became—it became of that uhm— accident, so— I just uh— I’ve always been into health wellness definitely skin care before the accident but purity of ingredients were not there and the scar creams and the serums of that my surgeons are recommending that I use to just reverse the scarring and I’d stick uh two inch scar right here from on of the uh point of impact after I landed. I got slipped around a little bit and then—on the concrete I landed. Actually my jaw was punctured into the bottom of my mouth. It was like a 90° angle, there were pieces to my whole left side of my face—was uh in pieces, so I uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Andy Hnilo: There’s a very bad compound uh—maxillo—uh you know, jaw brake. So we had a maxillo-facial surgeon from Cedars-Sinai who came in and he couldn’t do it.  He needed backup so that’s when we knew something was serious and my parents, we look into someone private.Luckily my mom had connections that uh with Dr. Schendel up in Stanford University.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: He specializes maxillofacial uh surgery and so he had like on of his uh—one of his best student. I forget the term for—but he was working here in Beverly Hills.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And he came right over, his name is Joseph B___and I just knew that uhm—well we felt like we were in very good hands and so just uh—in a point of your recovery that’s what you need. But he was uh—he had this scar creams and but serums that I was going to buy but I look at the back and they were just loaded with chemicals and corticosteroids and fragrances and just fillers. I mean there’s very little active ingredient. But what is that active ingredient, you know, it’s synthetic, it’s chemical. I thought it was kinda productive in healing so I just—I was thankful to have a good surgery. I wanted to do my recovery based on my own research and create, you know—I didn’t wanna leave the house so I just started to buy my own extracts, oils, potters and everything. I just started melting things down in my kitchen. My little iron casket uh—I was serious. I was melting down cacao butter, uh beeswax, sea buckthorn, clary sage, lavender, adding CoQ10, colostrum, butter I mean just making these little paste. After, I would make a mask. I was uh—little routine there I would do daily that I would see via results and it made me feel good. So the clays were pulling out the impurities that I was going through with all the antibiotics and all the x-rays and CT scans that I had to go through. And I was just in a fog. I was in a daze. I was like a zombie. I lost my zest and it—I would have to go on walks to get that circulation from uh—from head to toe. Bottom line, I really wanted to reverse the abrasions and the scarring that I had from the accident. And I did that through just research. I mean, so much information out there and I was just using myself as my biggest science experiment. I mean, necessity is the mother of invention and well and behold, years later, I have a product on Dave Asprey’s website called Alitura clay mask and that’s what really led to—just after—you know, like you said, getting that stamp of approval from Dave Asprey and having him invest in the brand and just really back it. Obviously the customers have to like the product and so the review started flowing in. And that’s when I knew I had something.  So I just took it and ran with it. I mean people really respond to the fact that your skin is your largest organ so you really want to treat it like another__. What you put on is gonna be absorbed in your bloodstream, it’s gonna pass through your liver and you have to treat it as such. So I just—I take a lot of pride with my ingredient. And going at it with a different approach. I mean searching everywhere for things that other people have heard of or don’t use. I really like being unique in that sense. I don’t work with a research and development teams. I do it all myself. The products, I do it all on me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So let’s run down the list of ingredients that you follow with the scar healing and the uh—skin recovery. What were the major ingredients? And we know you put in your formulas now. What were some of the big ones you found that really move the needle for you?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, man. So cacao butter, for sure. Cacao butter, Manuka.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cacao butter.

Andy Hnilo: Cacao butter, Manuka honey. The two different plants where I have stem cells. I talked to—her name is Maggie, out of North Carolina. She’s really—you know, I just, I love cold calling. And people respond to passion, you know. When you have a story and when you’re the owner of the company and not an assistant calling for someone and you back it up, “Hey, look, I just wanna – wanna figure out like what the cutting edge ingredients are.” But even before that, I would just uh—just select the basics. So right in the beginning stage of where I was making it uh—you know just ingredient-by-ingredient, step-by-step. The ones that really stood out were colostrum—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Cacao butter, the—you know the carrier of a good olive oil through things like uh—sea buckthorn I mean there were just so many. Red clover. I had 31 ingredients in that night cream which was essentially my scar uh—removal cream. I mean this was two and half inches now, I mean people after pointing out—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I can’t even see it on Skype. That’s phenomenal. You got amazing recovery and healing with that.

Andy Hnilo: Thank you. I mean I—I hit it—I just became my obsession. I really want to heal it from the inside to really build up blood and you know, help the—the cell turnover accelerate but also heal it from the outside. Make sure you’re extremely consistent uh— with that. I didn’t miss days. I mean everything had a purpose, I mean—coz I was just bummed out. I’m going to figure out a way to just see, you know, see if I could reverse all that. I wanted to be back where I was before. My goal is to be back in better shape than I was before.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Always.

Andy Hnilo: I did that, so—yes. And it’s funny, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And with the initial injuries, do you stay out of the sun for a period of time to make sure there’s not any—

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That’s why I went on uh—I went on walks at night during the day was my research time just to find cutting edge ingredients and kinda do my mixing and blending. I moved everything out of my bedroom in my living room and made my bedroom my little lab office type. And I would just sit there and I would think, I would write little notes down on a journal uhm—I would check out reputable website. I would check out non-reputable websites. I just want to hear, you know, hear different opinions and uhm— different people stories—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And what they do—that’s where I came up my blend of clays, that’s where I came up of different extracts, that’s where I came up experimenting with things like American ginseng topically, pro__ topically. I’d never seen any of that but I had nothing but time. So I figured out—believe me, a lot of things didn’t work. I mean there were some—there were definitely some ingredients that did not make the__ for a very good reason, but I mean, it’s okay.That’s you know,trial and error. It was you know—I was my own biggest beta tester for probably a year and then when I found that I had something—they say people saw me in the ICU—ICU room were just blown away with the recovery and so then I started traveling around town with my little backpack and my little plastic jar of clay and my little bottle of apple cider vinegar and essential oil blend. I would just go over their house and make some for them and they would gather there and stuff like that. And they would—I would—All I wanted just—be back. I mean, I’d never—this is way, way before Alitura. This is before I had a website, anything. It was called, “the clay mask” and I uh—yeah, I mean, hour—hour and a half later, though, I would get it right now. The feedback is great, so—I knew I had something but it’s like how do you go about—where do you go, how do you reach out to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah, Estée Lauder and just go, “Hey guys, I have this amazing mask.”So I didn’t really—It’s tough. I would just—friends of friends would refer me to make up artist and people who had Med Spas and—and salons but—I mean people like it but we don’t really have that credibility. It’s like, “What do you do?” is luckily I had a friend own a Medspa in San Diego and she took it on board uhm as a trial to some—some patients that she trusted. And they loved it, too.So then she took it on her menu of treatments. And that was like my own little victory right there. I mean I was like I, you know, I had something. I still didn’t have a name. They just called it the mineral-dense, nutrient-rich mask and it was like, they charge like 499 bucks with three treatments so it was like, “What?!?” It’s like—how do you—just to have something that people—that you created that people would pay for. I don’t care if it’s a meal— but anything. It just felt good and so that little flicker of momentum led it—led to uh— a really, you know, it’s like, man it felt good, like a little validation. And then I just went from there. I called, emailed Dave Asprey. I—I—I just uh—I tried a lot of different combinations of his email address, with like copy, pasting the exact same thing and one went through and so he uh—he took me on board as a Bulletproof ambassador, have me on his podcast and the rest is really history. I mean, it’s fun to look back on, but uhm—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s amazing.

Andy Hnilo: Took that and run with it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s actually amazing. So with uh—with all the things that you did in your recovery, so we obviously use some of the really awesome ingredients and did you do any supplemental procedures as well to help? Did you do like any of the micro needling or any of the laser resurfacing? Anything at all supplementally?

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely. So uhm—before the mask, I just did it right now. Actually, I do micro needling. We actually be releasing the titanium uhm– micro needle here within the next month or something. Because it really just help escort those micronutrients just pass the dermis and uh—just really uh— accelerate the absorption and uhm—it just—it turns up the mask a little bit so I would start doing that just in scar and I’d see the results and I’m like, “I’m just gonna do this all over my neck, face everywhere—even in my scalp, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Coz it just make sense to open up those pores and just you know, especially hit the part at the scalp. It just made sense to me and I would really massaged it in and just helps, you know,create a little circulation to the scalp, to the dermis, everywhere and so that was one. As far as the laser, we—I did a little pixel treatment on the scar area uhm—I can’t really say it did a whole lot uhm—I heard the the cold lasers are great. But as far as the pixel, it really became inflamed. And what it does, basically, it creates uh you know, a burn and it has to heal again. I mean maybe did a little bit but you gotta be ready for some downtime if you’re gonna be doing an intense laser like that but I hear cold lasers are good—very good these days, so that could be an option as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Anything else you did to move the needle? And by the way—

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: When are you coming out with the uhm—the—the micro needling thing you mentioned

Andy Hnilo: They are in production right now. They are in production right now. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.

Andy Hnilo: It’s a nice titanium uhm—so they’re gonna be sent to me in, who knows, maybe about by the time this airs. I don’t know. But it’s great. What we use to have that is like a nice little add-on. I mean, people keep asking me for that. I would refer them to others. And I’m just like, “Why won’t I just make my own? Make it easier for me.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, that’s great. We’ll put al the products that we mention on the show below. So anyone needs to ask us so they can get them pretty fast.

Andy Hnilo: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And I know your kinda history coming into this you’re model for a while, you are also collegiate athlete baseball, right?

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So you were doing a lot with your body. You’re doing a lot, you know, your— your body essentially was your income.

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah. And so that—after the accident, I lost 17 pounds. So I don’t really have a lot of weight to lose. So I just build in that weight back with strictly through doing a lot of this uhm—this research. I’m trying these herbs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Adaptogens—uhm—you know, things like that jus to help build my blood, circulate that blood, remove the impurities and reduce inflammation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Strengthening the immune system. Amino acids have been huge. And I just—I did this morning tonic just to help build my blood and circulate that blood and really just get me going. And I have this nighttime tonic to calm down and uh—help me recover and sleep my best and that just became this—everydayIt was part of my routine. And so that was— that help me build back my frame quicker and also just help me throughout my workouts. And eating to a point where it was just—it’s similar to like uh—excuse me—a Paleo diet but it’s with a twist of lot of uh—just rich uh—tonics and things like that throughout the day. So it’s mostly Paleo with a little—yeah, it’s pretty much Paleo, I would say.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How about collagen? How much collagen are you adding into your diet?

Andy Hnilo: Two tablespoons. I use the Bulletproof Collagen Powder every morning in my coffee.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nice.

Andy Hnilo: And so throughout the day post-recovery. I—for connective tissue and joint— joint health and things like that. I mean I just feel so good uhm—just—as a post-workout as well, but in the morning adding that. It just dissolves nice. Doesn’t’ taste like much butI feel—you know my parents are on that as well. I think that’s the most absorbable form of protein and the most beneficial form of protein uhm—we can do that. Gelatin is great but I like to stick right between those two and then the colostrum. Uhm and just to hit with a little nice absorbable form of IGF-I growth factors but uhm—what about you? What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I’m still learning but, you know, I—people are so used to the Whey protein and the you know, the—the things that you—you find it—all around. I mean, I like to get the most absorbable form of protein.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. I’m a huge fan of Collagen Peptide. I have my own  line as well called TruCollagen, but—very similar: grass-fed, organic in peptide form to maximize absorption. Love the—the glycine content which is great for the enterosite turnover in the gut. Also great for glutathione precursors for the liver.

Andy Hnilo: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Also hydroxyproline. Proline, a lot of the— you know, collagen. A lot of the peptides that help kinda rejuvenate the skin, cartilage. All those things. So its—I’m such a huge fan of that. And I see a lot of patient with gut issues as well. And we’ll talk about this next because the skin is kind of the mirror of the gut. What’s your take on skin health connected to the gut?

Andy Hnilo: I just— so—maybe you can explain—I heard that from someone like yourself and so I just ran with it and started eating as much fermented foods as I could.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So, lot of crop, lot of fermented—uh—you know, beets and I like a brand Farmhouse culture is a great brand. I mean I take out a bag of those every other day. I mean so I’m going through. I mean they’re expensive but I really feel like it takes care of that gut. I mean with my diaphragm sits closer to my spine. I’m nice and light on my heat. I’m just going through uh—I’m just more uh—you talk about uh—you know functional nutrition I think that’s the essential part of it. You know I’m not creating any issues with digestion through eating those fermented foods so I’m taking care of that gut. It’s just so important. And you know that’s the thing. These probiotics are becoming like this catchphrase and I went through—I went through probiotics but I’d rather get it naturally through food. I mean I don’t—I didn’t really see or feel too much bad effects. Some of it will make my stomach bark a little bit and kinda like a little bloated, a little gassy. But now, it’s like I just stick with uh—the fermented vegetables with every meal. It just really helps—helps me but uhm—I’m open. Do you have any ideas? Are you a fan of any fermented vegetables as well?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean sauerkraut, uh– spickels, the Kombucha, the lower sugar Kombucha. A lot of the Kombuchas today have becoming like soda if you look at the sugar.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I like the GT Dave’s. 2 grams of sugar in the uh—in the ginger Kombucha. Huge fan of that, for sure.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Again, therapeutically, some people that have infections in dysbiosis, you know, they—they benefit by cleaning up the gut, right? You know, you go in the garden, you pull the weeds out before you turn down the seeds. And I find a lot of people if they have some weeds in there, the weeds kinda interact with the seeds i.e. you get some of the bloating and such. But you know some people they get a little histamine response as well. So huge fan of the probiotic.I thing that’s big to get big. You also mentioned in the past, you had a placenta smoothie. Tell me a little bit more about that.

Andy Hnilo: Ah, yeah. Well, uhm—Yeah. It so—I—I was trying everything and I’d— some people recommend. So here’s what I did. I’m talking bison liver. I chopped them off and I take little connective tissue lines. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That goes to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That’s all good.

Andy Hnilo: So I would do that, egg yolks. Coz my jaw was wide stretched.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I was trying to get much nutrition in as possible. Deer placenta, I would brake up the little capsules for those days. Uh—four capsules a day. Uh– egg yolks, bison liver, I mean (laughs) colostrum. So I was just trying to get much nutrition back into my system as I could. So I couldn’t eat. And uh—So yes, a lot of people get gross stuff but the placenta, apparently, is the most nutrient-dense source of the animal. I mean it’s some of the—Dave’s saying some of the animals eat their placenta after giving birth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: All of them do except humans. I recommend a lot of my patients to encapsulate their placentas.

Andy Hnilo: Wow! Really?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Huge benefits. I mean every patient that I had do it, they have history of like post partum, you know, the depression that occurs after because basically the fetus is a magnet for nutrition. So if you can take that and bottle it up and put in the capsules, right, you get a little bit oxytocin and some of those nutrients, too.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah! That’s—okay. Yeah. And have they done it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. I’ve had patients do it and had phenomenal results.  I mean patients with three and four kids that had postpartum, postpartum, postpartum did it, and then boom! depression was gone after that last kid.

Andy Hnilo: It’s—Yeah. Ton of B vitamins, I would assume.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And if you know, obviously, women is gonna be trying to breast-feed so you get a little bit oxytocin which really helps facilitate that milk letdown reflex as well.

Andy Hnilo: Right. Yeah. Wow! Well so—I mean, that’s what I would do and then I would get a little b__ from the bison liver as well, egg yolks, super__ I would just try to pack as much nutrition in there as possible. Little spirulina, beet powder—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So—Yeah. That’s what I did. I just felt so good. I mean there was a point wherein I was just rocked, you name it, seven broken ribs, collapsed lungs, and then—head to toe. When I felt pretty good shortly after and I blamed it all on nutrition or and uh—you know, topically with my mask just reduced, you know, a lot of that—just pent up uh—condensed just right around the eye area.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I use a lot of that and pulled out a lot of the impurities as well, so—yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. So walk me through kinda your history. You’re a college athlete at where?

Andy Hnilo: Yes. I went to Burkley on a baseball scholarship, 2000 to 2002 transferred to Sacramento State.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uh—played a year there and then finished up finished at St. Mary’s College in Moraga which is the West Coast conference uhm— had an opportunity— I’ve had opportunities to play professionally I just—I didn’t get draft and uh—I was really close when I was right there but it just didn’t happen and so I’m moved down to LA and I actually I’ve had a partial tear rotator cuff. So that was—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But uhm—with the partial tear as you know, it just take those weird little exercises to grow back and so I was like, “ I didn’t wanna do that at home.” So I moved down to LA and started working out Beverly Hills high school and getting back in shape to go back professionally.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I had an opportunity to at least uh—work out and play with the team which is still independent baseball called the uhm— Human Scorpions which back then was a gold in baseball league. But uhm—in being down in LA  and living in my buddy’s couch, who was an actor, he was—he head me run these sides with them which are— which are like audition sides.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And it was pro baseball film and I was like still fresh out of baseball. And so it just came  pretty quickly me and I didn’t have any nerves because I wasn’t auditioning so I was repeating lines better than he was. And so it was really cool that he did this because like man, do you ever thought of getting into this? Coz you’re—this is huge—this particular role. And I was like, “ I mean, I don’t know. What do you think?” So it was really nice just it never happens—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But he reached to the director and he’s like, “This role I’m going out for, a buddy of mine is actually better for it than I am. Would you consider seeing him?” They saw my picture, they told them about my baseball background. Sometimes things like that happens. So they brought me in and I had nothing to lose.  I did really well and I had a call back, screen test and ended up booking that role which is a lead in the future film. And so that I just gave up baseball and uh—just focused on that like representationand started really working a lot, book some operas, a lot of commercials, started modeling a little bit and then—yeah the rest is—yeah, I’ve beendoing that ever up until uh—yes so that was 2006—yeah, 2006 up until my accident 2011. So I was working a lot as well as an actor, and then the accident hit and then after that my—my attention to nutrition and skin care really just— that became my focus. And it was really— just stare me in the face my entire life. That’s my passion. You know, just health andwell-being, nutrition, wellness you name it. So that’s right where I’m supposed to be. But I still act and do a little bit of modeling but the acting is—but I’m very specific with my agent with what I wanna do.  I want it to be something fun that I, you know, preferably, honestly, baseball. I want it baseball-related and if it’s not there, then I won’t do it. I actually booked a guest star on uh—HBO or FOX called “Pitch” so it was uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: It was a lot of fun for me to play that part.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That’s awesome.

Andy Hnilo: I would do it, but you know, Alitura, my baby and my focus—absolutely. So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. And regarding the baseball, what was your diet like when you’re an athlete? I mean would you be as good as it was now with good fats and all those things? Or did you learn that later on?

Andy Hnilo: I learned that later on. Uh— you know back and this was early 2000 to mid-2000, I had not heard of the “good fat” thing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.That’s_back then.

Andy Hnilo: Back then it was called, “low fat”. But what I was uhm—low carb. I was focused on uh—nutrient dense. So right then I was big into the Men’s Health magazines.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And they were good with the basics. I mean they’re still god with just telling people and explaining very clearly and easy to—to remember way on what to eat, what— what vegetables to eat, why to eat them, what to stay away from.So that’s what I focused on and I would just— some people, you know, at the dining halls, at the dormitory where I was staying,would see me doing this finicky little __and spinach and tuna and like no dressing. That was like my big thing, like—what—“how do you eat that without dressing?” I heard the dressing is the worst part for you in the South so I don’t eat it. And so that—year by year, it just accelerated. I got a little bit better year-by-year and that’s the way it’s gonna be. I’m constantly searching for new—the latest and greatest. But yeah, back then, I was 215 and it was just all—I was an outfielder pitcher.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Outfielder pitcher.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And so like, it’s all about ball.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How fast can you throw?

Andy Hnilo: 91.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really?

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. 91. But I think it could be—I think it could be a little bit more because I never got my core involved.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: It was all on—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: So—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s the key. I work with athletes a lot especially pitchers. The key really is is the lower body the glutes, could you throw so much with those hips.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah and the stride length. I have no flexibility. I would just rely on my arm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I really feel like if—coz you know with the long tossing, you’re getting all that momentum and I could throw it further, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I could—but and that usually translates to loss__ But 91 was good but I-I want—I really feel like if I got that with all the technology these days as you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I’m really tight around this area and you see the pitchers, like they’re nice and loose. Although they’re getting bigger these days, guys like Jake ___They’re getting bigger and stronger but they’re also doing things like yoga and taking care of those bodies and getting that stride length out there.  And so I—I really feel like I didn’t even dip into the potential of what I could bring velocity-wise but it’s all good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Do you ever wish that you had the knowledge you have now with like the good fats and all the nutrient density and all the things that you’re doing now with healthy lifestyle habits you could bring that back in time sometimes?

Andy Hnilo: Definitely. Seriously, I still hit. I still throw. I meanyou give me, I don’t know, like months or 2 months I really feel like I could get back into it. I’m 35. I’ll be 36 in November but—yeah, I just was down in spring training with the Cubs Dodgers. I’m hitting with those guys. I haven’t picked up a bat for, I don’t know, years. Every Spring training I do it. So I probably didn’t pick up a bat for the—year before and hit. So I mean—I just—So all those things. We’re not thinking about it. That was my biggest thing was mind I wouldjust get to caught up  where my hits, where my hands are supposed to be really are and you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And uh—but now it’s just kinda grip and rip. It’s so funny how that works sometimes it’s mind over matter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Totally. And do you have history of acne issues or skin issues?

Andy Hnilo: And so—Yes, I did. And that— that’s what got me so focused on skin care early on. I could—Man, I had bad back acne.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: And it was all—because the products I was using. That and diet.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-huh.

Andy Hnilo: It started going. Man, it was so frustrating. I couldn’t even– in my locker, I wouldn’t even turn around. I would just stand face out because it was really embarrassing. Yeah. Very embarrassing.So I just—you know, you have things that bug you and try to figure out a way to—you know, there’s always information out there. There’s like—look, I was using Clearasil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uhm—a phase. And it was al—I would always have some type of irritation, always some type of—it was—my skin was reacting to the toxins.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: That’s where—that’s where it was. And then I was using the terrible body wash and I was eating bad, eating poorly. And so I just—that’s—yeah, I was what, 19-20 years old and I just start becoming interested in doing it. I did my first clay mask when I was—20—20 years old. And that night—that night and  I just had one ingredient. And I would do that every Sunday, I think. And so that – I mean 20 years old, I’ll be 36. I’ve been doing it for 13 years. I mean, I’m talking I don’t miss weeks. I just—a clay mask is—to the people out there, it doesn’t have to be mine. It could be—that is undeniably effective internally, externally. That night clay is—and there’s a lot of great ones as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s pulling out a lot of toxins and anyone can do it even if you’re healthy. What are the benefits? Are you gonna see improvements with acne, with wrinkles, with elasticity? What do you see with that?

Andy Hnilo: So what I—All of that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So what you see is you can spot treat—it pulls out—I’ve—I’ve heard of people putting my mask, you know, uh—spot treating little spider bites and it just pulls out that infection for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And bringing a lot of circulation into the surface of the skin. And the clay is so mineral-rich uh—pulling out heavy—it has like—electro charge so as far as like pulling out—it just uh—it works with your own electromagnetic uh—energy to pull out heavy metals.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And it’s just, you know, the military use it for—for that uh—source like your little bed night treatment internally, externally just to help pull out and deal it—deal with a lot of radiation, and things like that.Uh—as far—yeah, as far as mineral density in—in—I would say the biggest things as far as mineral density just escorting those good uh— nutrient factors and things like silica uh— profile is over 70% and silica uh—I mean just one of building blocks of collagen, I believe so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So just—it’s—it just uh—yeah, so I would say as far as like filling out wrinkles, I would say wrinkles are just creating circulation to that surface and kinda filling out those fine lines. Wrinkles also, I think uh— can be due to, you know, poor diets as far as sugar, dairy, uhm—hydration. Maybe a little bit too much sun exposure without replenishing that lost moisture and staying hydrated. I mean, there’s a lot of—I mean, just unbelievable extracts, butters, essential oils. You just kinda recondition, you know. Just stay diligent with that. Just put something on before yougo to bed at night. You wake up— I think even—it’s—the most important time to do when you’re in__ position for 68 hours.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: You put some night cream. I mean—hit it with uh—it can just be one ingredient. I started out with Cacao Butter and I started doing that. And I’m like,

“Let’s add some manuka honey to it, well, let’s add some colostrum to it.”

And just step-by-step, I created something that’s unlike—I really—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So someone’s trying to kinda dip their toe in and kind of figure out what product will give me the best bang for the buck in Alitura line. What would that be? Would that be the night cream?

Andy Hnilo: If you’re— if you’re going to do uh— take the time because mine is a mask, like say the clay mask—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Andy Hnilo: It’s just a powder mask and you will find it—whether it’s rosewater, aloe vera juice, apple cider vinegar is uh—is very popular. If you’re gonna take the time to do it, I mean—that’s the most effective treatment.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So a mask is number one.

Andy Hnilo: Mask is number one. Uh—I would say, night cream number two.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Is that the best one for scarring as well for any skin imperfections?

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Andy Hnilo: Definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And is there a second one after what I’m saying?

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. I mean it’s so—tough to tell you. It’s—I mean the—the moisturizer is great, too.We have the body lotion, uh—serum—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any SPF in the moisturizer?

Andy Hnilo: Not that I can claim. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: But it’s just uh—we’re—I’m going to release uh—uh— sunscreen here, too. It’s just uh—I’m gonna—I’m gonna be using a non-nano zinc and then I can get about a 30 SPF rating.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: — which is good. People want it. So I just—I’m going to make one in—you know, I don’t really have a problem non-nano zinc.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I mean it’s a mineral and it provides you some protective—uh—that’s what people want. So what I’ll do, I’ll just—I’m gonna create one that is, you know, without the need of the fillers. I mean where some—there’s a good brand out there, “Keys” K-E-Y-S. And they have the solar RX. It’s good. They just have—I think I can make theirs better. So that’s what I’m gonna do. But uhm—uhm—Yeah. I would say, you know, some good—some exposure but depending on uhm—you know, everyone’s history. I think it’s beneficial. Just absorbing nutrients, good vitamin D and just helping with overall sense of well-being. I mean I know people that live in San Diego that went Oregon flat-out went through seasonal depression because they didn’t have the sun.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: And so–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what’s your recommendation on exposure? Just kinda get a gentle pain, you don’t want a burn, is that your general recommendation?

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely. 15-20 minutes tops. I think uh—I read from Tim Ferriss’ book. I’ve read that anything—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: For our body.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Anything past 20 minutes, now you’re starting to burn. Uhm—so I would take 15-20 minutes daily. If you can, just get out and you know, just take your shirt off and get some good absorption all over the body or just face, whatever you’d like to. And it’s—just—it’s uh—definitely, I can. I mean so I can go without it. But I—I’d notice that—it—absolute result everytime after I get a little sun exposure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And are you able to now get some sun on those old injuries because the scars are fully-healed now?

Andy Hnilo: Yes. I do. Yeah. I mean it—it’s uh been a while but I took it. Yeah, I mean I didn’t—I didn’t coz the sun just will_ again—that scar.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So I didn’t get much sun through a long time. So now uh—yes, it’s—it’s pretty much healed so I’m—I’m out and about but that’s where it’s a good point. If someone is uh—recovering and has scar I would definitely say stay out of the sun and if you do, get some very good uh—natural uhm—sunblock over that area if you’re gonna go skiing or something like that coz it’s horrible for it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. And tell me about some of the plant stem cells coz that’s—they’re unique in your line.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you mentioned—you found it from that girl there uh—over North Carolina.

Andy Hnilo: Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But tell me more about that. How did you get that in there? And is that a big needle mover in your line?

Andy Hnilo: It’s—uh—Yeah. Absolutely. I mean nobody uses several different ones. And I—I tried F__, Oregano Uh—I probably tried six or seven uh— forms of all the different plant drug stem cells.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I plant with a nice soluble form of uh—and Edelweiss and  Gardenia. They both have studies, too. The Gardenia stimulates collagen production. And the Edelweiss just helps firm and tone. So that—the combination, it works extremely well together and in my formula, it’s just— it’s –it’s about that particular uhm—blend is in the night cream and I’m—I’m gonna be working with bamboo stem cells, uh—ginseng stem cells on my scrub. I didn’t wanna use it in my cleanser because it’s a washed up product. But I mean I wanted to useit but it just didn’t make sense coz you’re just putting it on really quickly and washing it off. But in my scrub, you’re gonna be massaging in bamboo which is nature’s highest form of silica into the skin. It’s just uh—yes, sorry I’m just becoming—coz plants if you look, they  help prepare themselves when they—when they’re cut off. I mean—they just—they—they pinpoint that area to help regrow. I mean it’s a very, very uh—you know science—I’m very lucky that scientist started looking at that. And the fact that they repair themselves after injury and then nowhere after being cut or something like that so quickly. Uhm—and so I—I wanna see if there’s an aloe vera stem cell. There’s just got to be. I mean, if you see how quickly they repair themselves and they just grew it right back, I mean, it’s amazing, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: In saying, what’s your experience with human cell uh—stem cells?

 Andy Hnilo: I haven’t—I’m very, you know, interested in. I haven’t done any of that. Dave is—Dave is all over that. I believe he does human, I’m not sure, but uh—it’s becoming the next biggest thing as far as, you know, with the—I think I heard you and _were talking about it with his knee injury.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: — his knee recovery. And—but—I’m—as far as topically in the skin, your regenerating tissue uhm—I’m—it’s something I’m very fascinated in but uhm—I just—uh—I don’t know, maybe you can—you help me out a little bit on it. What are so—have you worked with it? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, yeah, a little bit. There’s a product that use uhm— called, “J Bio”. J Bio Serum and they basically go to tissue banks and they extract stem cells from fat tissue essentially and they spend it out. The biggest issue is stem cells, it’s—it’s kinda now you sell it and go in many different—different directions. So how do you stimulate it to go to skin versus uh—kidney or wherever direction. So the hard part is how you guide it. But there are some FDA studies right now. What they’re doing it on burn victims with they have these stem cell guns and they spray people at them just got them like massive burns. And a week or two later, like their skin’s back. It’s insane.

Andy Hnilo: What?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So that’s probably the future of medicine, I think.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s that.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Sounds like it. I had a friend who had a very bad burn—yeah, just—third degree burn all over his body and they did a—I think they did shark—shark uh—skin all over his, yeah, I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I just—it helped but man, about a week later, his skin is back.That’s amazing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve seen that same thing in a lot of Oriental countries. They use like the skin of various fish. One: because of the omega-3, fatty acids because of the hydration. I’ve seen it they do all these wraps and people look like they have fish scale. It’s pretty crazy.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. Yeah. That’s what you had to do. And it’s back.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Unreal.

Andy Hnilo: It definitely didn’t take—took a lot more than a week. That’s for sure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Now tell me—we kinda went off the back acne issue. What was the needle mover for that? Were there any foods that were driving that? What did you do to fix the back acne?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, it was just processed food.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Andy Hnilo: I mean, diet, I would say diet and the products I was using Neutrogena body wash.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And I was eating pizza, hotdogs, burgers. I was trying to put on weight.

Andy Hnilo: I was skinny. It was going onto my body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I was about 18-19 years old, freshman. I was competing with, you know, 22 -23 year olds which were big and working out. I was a 168 pounds so I got up to 191 at that time just by eating whatever I want.That’s all I knew.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And you know, protein-fat calorie, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: And uh—but it’s—that was one of the biggest uhm—catalyst in my uh—back acne. And my face will break out every now and then, too. So it was just uh—I cleaned that up through time. But I cleaned that up with the product that I was using. I went from that to I got—I think it was Aubrey Organics.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Organics.

Andy Hnilo: Aubrey Naturals now. But—uhm anyway, yeah. The great—switching that up. Just becoming very aware of the ingredients. I mean, just getting away from those big, heavily, marketed brands with toxic ingredients and going towards a more natural route. And that’s what changed my life. It really did. I mean uh—I don’t uh—I don’t have to worry about my back anymore.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s awesome.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah. And so really good. It makes me, you know, it changed my life for sure. That’s definitely why I’m so passionate about it, you know—coz you know how down then I was, and I just—yeah, feels good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’m very excited to start using your products. I got them queued up here, so, that will be great.

Andy Hnilo: Nice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So walk me through your routine. And I’ve heard it before but I want to know where is that now? What’s your daily routine like? I know you’re a big guy in the intermittent fasting. You’re doing high fats and also, I kinda want to know how you vary that routine when you’re getting ready for like a shoot, like you’re really trying to just lead out. It may not be sustainable, right? But I want to know the difference in how you—how you uhm— compare the two.

Andy Hnilo: Yes. So, as far—my current morning routine will be I get up within minutes of doing—I’m doing somethingt ’til failure.

whether it’s push-up, pull-ups—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo:–just to get that blood flow. Uh—I read at Men’s Health a while ago that really just helps—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Love that.

Andy Hnilo: –to have energy throughout the day.So, I’ll goright into that and I’ll make my morning tonic. I’ll do a lot of different Chinese herbs, spirulina, uhm—Hawaiian spirulina, schisandra, h__, gynostemma . A lot of these different uhm—Chinese herbs and then I’ll also add a little turmeric uh—so uhm—you know, amino acids, curl oil, curcumin. I mean uh—it’s a lot. But I’ll do that and so that is building off  of the push ups to really getting that blood flow and then what I’ll do, if it’s not my mask day, I’ll just mask every other day. Like today was, so—I’ll throw on the mask and I have this table in my other room right there. And so what I’ll do is hang those up side down.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Andy Hnilo: Try to collect my thoughts and I don’t turn on my phone. Uhm—working on that. I don’t turn on my phone until all this is done. And so it kinda sets the tone for the day. I mean, I’m big on gratitude, big on perspective uhm—you know, lots of music going on in the background. So for about 10 minutes, I’ll be hanging upside down. It really helps lengthen out my spine and get that circulation going—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: —between the discs. Lot of blood flow of the mask on, so like you’re really getting that blood flow from the tur_ roller.  And then the mask, I mean, it’s just insane. Yeah, it’s just part of, you know, just getting your best self getting ready for the day and just feeling your best locked in where you’re good. So after that, uhm—I will uh—shower up, get my Bulletproof coffee after and uh—I like to turn up the Bulletproof coffee a little bit, add in a little grass-fed butter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Uhm—cayenne pepper, butter, m__,tribulus, cordyceps, stevia. It sounds horrible but I love it. I love it and then, I’m just good to go. And so—and so that’s what I do pretty much everyday but—pre shoots—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I—I’ve been noticing there’s like a—a little—there’s some vegetables  to tighten you up. I call it trick wrapping.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: So cilantro, celery, uh—beets. Now, why is that? It almost acts like a diuretic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes it does. That’s what exactly what you’re doing.

Andy Hnilo: Ohh. Okay. So just all that water weight and so what I’ll do and I – I do uh—eggs. So like pre-shoot, a couple of days before. So eggs are getting the good fats. I’ll do the yolks down. I’ll do those raw and I’ll cook up the protein and then avocado. So eggs, avocado, celery, cilantro, uhm—there’s another one—uh—beets, broccoli, a little bit but just maybe I’ll cut down the sweet potato course in size a little bit but just get all the good nutrients in there. And then uhm—yeah, definitely intermittent fast up until 8. So I won’t eat until 2 pm. So say it by—at 8 pm the previous night, I don’t eat until 2 pm. That’s for 12-16-18 hour fast. Then my body is in that state of ketosis, I believe, after the Bulletproof coffee that I’ve had that is high in fats but uhm—low in protein. Now if I do the collagen-protein, some people would say I—that takes me out of my fast, but I don’t know—I mean, does it? Because I’m adding that scoop of collagen protein and that’s it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean it’s good, but I don’t think so. You’re still gonna be in ketosis, though. The idea of the fast is to keep the ketosis going. And the whole idea is you don’t want too much gluconeogenesis which is basically making protein—making sugar from the protein, so—I think it’s still be in the ketosis there, for sure. I’ve heard you say in the past, so you really cut the fat, though, before a shoot. Are you still doing that? Or have you modified that?

Andy Hnilo: Avocado. No, I—I used to do that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: I just—I see—if anything, I just see a good benefit—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Andy Hnilo: —from the good fats. So a little vascularity—vascularity too. So say, if I’m doing something athletic for like Oakley and I really want like—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: You know, the shoots all work.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Totally.

Andy Hnilo: You know what I mean, I’m running around. So you gotta be—you gotta have some energy, so—But I—it’s yeah.  The beets with the nitric oxide content—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo:  And then I’ll combine that with grass-fed butter, avocado and then just being mineralized. That’s a big thing is—you know, here’s the big misconception about salt, right? It’s just that you know water retention, you get bloated. I noticed that Himalayan salt uh—particularly does not do that. And so I’ll do a little bit with it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Andy Hnilo: But I’m talking whenever you know, when you get in the farm, that Himalayan salt is something that can wake you back right up. And so uh—those are two things I cut down as far as the good fats and then the—the salt content, but I—when you really just want to tighten up for a job, it’s uh—that’s what I do. Yeah. Parsley is another big one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Is that beet, parsley, celery—is that in a drink or are you juicing that?

Andy Hnilo: So yeah. What I do is uh—the beet I sauté up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: And then the uh—the parsley, avocado, uhm—fermented vegetable, cilantro and celery is a mash. I just mash it up and then I’ll do uh—just  with the fork,  you know, a little  hot sauce, a little bit—I’ll do that in the day and that just satiates me. I mean it’s just something that all those nutrients are flow—flowing out throughout the body. It’s definitely something I do. Just keeps me on my—and then sardines, I know, I’m like—I love sardines, too. The nutrient content is amazing. Good fats, good amount of protein but also just it’s uh—it’s super bioavailable. I would say like to the body. It’s just—it just helps—helps uh—satia—just get the mind right, but also it’s not o—you’re not overdoing it. You’re not uh—you know, it’s not something that’s too difficult on your digestive system and you can absorb a lot from it, so that’s another thing I’ll do. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. That makes sense. By the way, how did you get the name of your business, Alitura?

Andy Hnilo: Alitura. So we’re looking around. It’s uh—it started off with “golden glow”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ahh.

Andy Hnilo: And it’s just acts—like a bronzer to many people. Luckily I didn’t go. Thankfully, I didn’t but, yeah, so you know, so it’s just—we started talking with my partners as far as I—search engine optimization. Someone told me, I don’t think it’s true, but that—it’s search engine optimization—it’s like alphabetized, uh—you know, they—they prefer “A” before “Z” obviously.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: So we started going into that. So I knew I wanted it to be “A”. Uhm—but then I was—started going back and forth and it’s Latin for “feeding”. I kinda want it to be something, you know, different in language and then yeah, we just went up and took awhile. And it was uh—it was this extremely difficult. They only—they only have one, but I really feel like it uh—just embodies what our brand is about.  The logo is something—I have to tell you, the logo is something I’m really happy about. Coz we went to so many different graphic designers who were just giving me Google Fox.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: By the way, I just grabbed the shar_ you went to Kinko’s. It’s—I love my signature. I love, you know—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: And also, the whole model behind signing up on what’s inside the product. I mean, that’s my signature right there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: It just uh—the product—twenty minutes writing the same thing, “Alitura”. You know, I copied it and then send it off to the graphic designer, we kinda just tightened it up and smooth it out a little bit, but yeah, that’s how the logo came about. It’s just uh—signing up on what’s inside, you know. And that’s what—I make that to—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s awesome. I know you mentioned earlier that you’re coming out with a new— a new design for the bottle, a new glass bottle. When is that coming out?

Andy Hnilo: Oh, that’s for the fragrance.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Fragrance. Got it.

Andy Hnilo: And we went—so the branding—we’re going on with an all like black matte to make that silver foil pop. Oh man, I wish I had it here. Uh—well, this is like uh—that’s a night cream right there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Andy Hnilo: And so the mask—we’re doing the same thing. The mask is a—it’s a charcoal mask.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Andy Hnilo: It’s very subtle, but man, it looks so slick. So that’s—that’s—it just—it looks great. Uhm—it’s uh—it supplement really—just—you know, coz if you can— it’s something that we can control. You know, the packaging is so important and it’s got to reflect what’s inside it. But uh—as far as the fragrance goes, it’s gonna be a lot different. I didn’t—yeah—it’s gonna be like a smoked glass coming out magnetic cap, going metal top, nice little uh—like skin Alitura.  It’s called, “Presence”. The unisex, organic fragrance. It is—it’s mind-blowing. It’s uh—I’m actually meeting with uh Rob__ to get a sample today.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool.

Andy Hnilo: My hands—it’s like a little egg so we’ll see, I’m so excited for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. I only got two questions left. Last one, I know your evolution of being kind of the model, the baseball player, kind of the individual Hollywood actor to being the CEO and the entrepreneur. What was the biggest lesson? The most valuable lesson you learn to help you go from the solopreneur to the entrepreneur running your business?What was that big lesson for you that helped you?

Andy Hnilo: Whew!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you will crystallize one thing. One thing that has been the biggest needle mover for you?

Andy Hnilo: Hmm—the one thing that I’ve maintained throughout all of the different industries that I’ve been is just—hum—the work ethic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: The discipline. If you combine the work ethic and the discipline and uhm—that’s gonna take you far. That’s—regardless of what it is, I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Having that fear of failure—it’s still like when I was 14-16 years old—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: From a coach who gave me some really encouraging words that you have a chance but there’s somebody out there working harder than you right now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: He fears uh—that I—that just has not left. There’s always something that can be done. And uh—it’s just—that’s you know, you have to be excited about the work that you’re putting in which is something do your best every single time and work—work til you—I’ve fall-I’ve fallen asleep in the parking lot in the post office before. My car rang—snapping back up. That—I mean it’s just—it feels good, you know to—you know, to—to know that you put absolutely, you know, in to everything. And then you don’t have any regrets. It’s just like, “Man, that’s pretty good.” I mean, you can’t—things that you can control such as what you put into it, how you treat others and gratitude and perspective, things like that. They all work together and–you live a pretty happy life.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I can see where the work ethic of sports probably transition over and really helped you with that.

Andy Hnilo: Absolutely.  You know, competition, dealing with failure—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Andy Hnilo: Dealing with rejections, it’s gonna happen but, man, just keep going. You know in baseball, that’s—uh—that’s another one. That’s how uh—you know, dealing with failure, just being resilient, you know___ I was so scared–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, you did great. You did great, man. Last question for me: If you’re on a desert island and you only can bring one supplement. Now, this may be hard for you with your concoction and drinks in the morning. If you could bring only one thing, what will it be?

Andy Hnilo: Spir—Hawaiian spirulina.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Andy Hnilo: I mean we’re talking—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Spirulina.

Andy Hnilo: I mean we’re talking vitamin A, beta carotene,  B12, B6,  I mean, you’re gonna have a toothbrush but yeah—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ha ha

Andy Hnilo: You mix that with—hopefully some clear water on that island and I—I mean I’—oh, and it has the highest protein content uh—per uh—per body—I mean per cup it’s a—yeah, very high protein content with that. Do you know that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. I did not know. I did not know that, but that’s amazing. That’s great.

Andy Hnilo: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Have something everyday. So people are really jazzed up. They wanna learn more about how to improve their skin health and learn more about you and and get your products. Where’s the best way to do that?

Andy Hnilo: Sure. So our website is alituranaturals.com0020 and that’s A-L-I-T-U-R-A N-A-T-U-R-A-L-S.COM and @andyhnilo.That’s A-N-D-Y H-N-I-L-O on facebook, twitter, instagram. Uh—I love any questions that you may have, please reach out. Info at alituranaturals.com I definitely wanna give your audience a 15% discount. What’s uh—so just wanna call it uh—“Wellness15”?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We can call it “Wellness 15”. I’ll put the link below as well as the promo code below and people can use that. That’s perfect.

Andy Hnilo: Sounds good. If you have any questions, anything like that, please reach out. This is my baby. I love what I do. It’s—it’s—I—I encourage you to ask questions.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Andy, I appreciate that you know, I’m an entrepreneur myself helping patients and I just—appreciate the energy that you embody trying to create this great product to help people kinda get their health to the next level. So that’s great.

Andy Hnilo: Well, yeah. No, I throw it right back to you. You’re making people’s lives better. And that’s a—it feels good. That’s fun, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, Andy, thanks for a great interview. I appreciate it.

Andy Hnilo: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take Care.


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