Natural Herbs and Foods to Help Fight Stress

When you’re stressed, what are the important things? Blood sugar stability is really important because most people get on a roller coaster when they get stressed, meaning they’re overly gravitating towards alcohol and towards refined sugar. Their blood sugar goes up and then it crashes down, and then it creates more nervous system stimulation via adrenaline, epinephrine, and cortisol being stimulated to bring the blood sugar back up.

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So, I find just keeping it really simple and really easy with your meals. You may be more nauseous when you’re overly stressed because stress hormone does cause you to feel nauseous. So, this is where you may want to do a soup or a simple smoothie, something really easy where there’s not a lot of digestion but you’re still getting some proteins and fat in there, whether it’s some collagen and some coconut milk or just sipping on some bone broth. Something like that’s going to have some good fat and good protein, and it won’t be hard to digest. So, if you feel nauseous, just still know you should probably be eating but just try to make it something very easy on your tummy.

Then think what are some of the nutrients your nervous system is going to need when you’re more stressed. So, the low hanging fruit, B vitamins. B complex is going to be very essential. Magnesium is going to be excellent. GABA and L-theanine are good things that are going to help you relax and wind down. Valerian root or passionflower, which are all connected to GABA and that inhibitory neurotransmitter that helps you just relax a little bit. It kind of puts the clutching gear and disengages the gearbox, so you can downshift so to speak.

I always go to nutrients first and then I go to my favorite adaptogenic herbs second. So, Ashwagandha is one of my favorites. Rhodiola is excellent and there’s holy basil, which are my favorite very relaxing and tonifying herbs.

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Nutrients to Help Make Serotonin to Help Improve Mood and Sleep

In today’s blog, I am going to share with you the natural ways to boost your serotonin levels and other alternatives. Let’s talk about nutrients to help support serotonin levels.

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Serotonin is a really important neurotransmitter. Its building block comes from protein and amino acids, particularly 5-HTP (5-hydroxytryptophan) but serotonin has a lot of important roles in regards to mood, well-being, sleep, stress reduction, and happiness. So, all these things play a major major role in helping you feel good. If we have inadequate serotonin levels, that’s going to create a whole bunch of things. Once you start having sleep issues, mood issues, or stress issues then stress starts to hitch a little more. You don’t quite sleep as well. You don’t adapt to or deal with stress, not quite as resilient as well, and then a lot of times you’re just not going to heal and recover well either because serotonin is a precursor to melatonin. Melatonin helps you sleep and it’s also a very powerful antioxidant. So, a lot of good benefits there.

Serotonin is made from tryptophan and/or 5-HTP which is 5-hydroxytryptophan. Now, I personally like using 5-HTP better because there is an enzyme that’s kind of a governor on tryptophan converting downstream into serotonin. The 5-HTP bypasses that enzyme, so you can therapeutically bump up serotonin a little bit better with 5-HTP. So, we use 5-HTP and B6 that can really significantly improve serotonin levels. Anywhere between 100 to 600 mg per day can be very helpful. There are important cofactors that will also add. B6 is an essential B vitamin that helps with the synthesis. You may also want to throw in B12 or methylcobalamin, ideally methylated because these neurotransmitters need to be methylated. B12 makes a huge difference.

In the podcast, we talk about a study where they used antidepressants, not that I’m a huge fan of those, but they found that an antidepressant plus a methylated B12 improves depression symptoms by 20%. So, we know B12 and that methylation process is very important for your neurotransmitters. Also, we can throw folate in there because folate works a lot like brother and sister with B12. So, B6, B12, and folate (or B9 for short for folate) are really important. Those are your key methyl groups in regards to your B vitamins. They have a lot to do with methylation.

Of course, vitamin C can be very important because the adrenals play a major role in serotonin and stress. In that sympathetic fight or flight nervous system response, the adrenals play a big role in making cortisol and/or adrenaline to help manage or deal with or adapt to that response. So, for chronically firing our adrenals, whether it’s cortisol and/or adrenaline, and we start have HPA access issues meaning brain-adrenal communication feedback issues, that can make it hard for us to kind of calm down from stress and/or even ramp up to deal with stress. So, it’s kind of like it being really cold out, you put your heater on and you can’t quite mount the heater or mount enough of a response to create heat and warm your house up or vice versa if it’s cold. You need to be able to adapt and modulate to our environment. So, we need healthy adrenal function. A lot of times, I’ll add in things like various adaptogens like Rhodiola, Ginseng, Ashwagandha, and Eleuthero. These are great adaptogenic herbs to help us modulate and deal with stress better.

And then, of course, a good healthy diet is essential because inflammatory foods, food allergens, processed junk, grains, and refined foods are going to stress out our body. The problem with refined processed foods like grains and sugar is they can, in the short run, increase our serotonin and allow us to feel good. So, people say, “Oh, I’m an emotional eater.” What are you doing? You are essentially trying to artificially boost your brain chemicals up with junk food. It’s like whipping a tired horse to perform better. It’s like trying to drink coffee at midnight to get work done. It’s going to just throw off your sleep and you’re going to be tired the next day.

So, of course, there are always what I call constructive vehicles versus destructive vehicles. Destructive vehicles provide a short-term gain and long-term destruction if they are habitual. Constructive vehicles are not quite as an impactful short-term gain but long-term restoration, long-term healing, and long-term performance enhancement. So, that’s good digestion, eating protein, balanced blood sugar, and we can utilize amino acids like 5-HTP, B6, folate, B12, vitamin C, and adaptogenic herbs. These are very helpful in modulating our stress response. They also modulate how we perceive stress. The more you can perceive stress better, you don’t mount as much of a cortisol or adrenaline response because your perception of it is much better.

Things like magnesium can also be very helpful as magnesium kinda plays into GABA. GABA has a major role in the inhibitory neurotransmitter. It’s the downshift or it helps hit the brake, so things like GABA by itself and things like L-theanine are excellent. Adaptogenic herbs like passionflower or Valerian can be very calming. Even things like Kava or CBD could also have a very calming effect. So, there’s a couple of different things that we can throw in there.

When I’m working with the patients, I’m always saying to myself, “What’s the root cause?” Let’s set the foundation and make sure the root cause is supported. Let’s make sure able to break down and digest and absorb all the nutrients and make sure there are no underlying bottlenecks in regards to low enzyme, low acid, and gut infections. Let’s make sure we’re managing our lifestyle stressors and we’re doing our best to sleep good. Food is good, food quality is good, and hydration is good. I make sure those foundations are solid and then we can kind of get in there with other supplements and nutrients to help support those pathways.

If we wanted testing for neurotransmitters, I’ll do things like organic acid-based tests. Then we’ll look at a lot of the metabolites for these neurotransmitters, whether it’s serotonin where we will use 5-hydroxyindoleacetate (5HIAA) or we will use Vanilmandelate which is a marker for adrenaline or Homovanillate which is a marker for dopamine. Again, dopamine is a precursor to adrenaline, so it’s phenylalanine, tyrosine, dopamine, L-dopa, and then it can go down to epinephrine/norepinephrine or adrenaline/noradrenaline. It’s the same thing. So, these are catecholamines and they can convert a lot of these upstream neurotransmitters down. There’s some overlap in dopamine and serotonin symptoms. A lot of people that think they have serotonin problems may actually have a dopamine problem. So, it’s good to get tested as well. It’s good to look at the symptoms, make sure the foundation is set, and then you can dive in deeper to look at a lot of these nutrients.

Now, in my supplement line, we use things like Brain Replete which has an excellent 10:1 ratio of tyrosine or dopamine to serotonin. That’s a good combo product. It has all the precursor nutrients, too. Also, I use a product called Serotonin Replete which is excellent with 5-HTP with B6. I have a product called Dopa Replete which is just a tyrosine product that is nice for lower dopamine issues and for higher dopamine, there is a product called Dopa Replete Plus and that helps bump up dopamine more. It has got Macuna pruriens in there plus a couple of other compounds that are very helpful. It has L-dopa, tyrosine, EGCG, and of course, B6.

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The Root Causes of Constipation & Slow Motility | Podcast #331

Wouldn’t it be easy if you could blame your constipation on one thing? While that typically isn’t the case, your irregularity could be pointing to either one or multiple causes. Let’s watch and listen to Dr. J and Evan here, helping you learn what your gut may be trying to tell you, and what you can do about it. 

Dr. J and Evan emphasized to make a few changes to your lifestyle and see if they result in any positive bowel changes. Such as more high-fiber foods in your meals: fruits, vegetables, whole grains.  These steps will help you observe health changes – what works and what’s not via tests results as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

1:56       Slow Motility, Bowel Motility

8:06       Detoxification

15:57     Food for Detox

22:00     Vegan Honeymoon

27:40     System Approach, Solutions

30:51     Conventional Side

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We are live. It’s Dr. J here in the house with Evan Brand. Today we are going to be having a podcast all about constipation and bowel motility issues. This is a topic that we deal with all the time with our patients, especially when we’re dealing with and addressing potential infections. This can be a common side effects. So we’re going to dive into the underlying mechanisms and what you can do what we do about it with patients. Evan, what’s going on, man? How we doing?

Evan Brand: Doing really well. If someone listening is still embarrassed to talk about their poop, then I would encourage you to shed that shit shed the shame or embarrassment. We talk about poop all day. We love it, we enjoy it. This is part of being a human number one being a healthy human number two, because if you’re not pooping, you’re reabsorbing toxins, whether that’s xeno estrogens from environmental exposure or pesticide and herbicide or mold toxins, I mean, how we get rid of our toxic waste and chemicals and things we’re making internally and that we’re exposed to is peeing and pooping. And so when you look at someone who feels bad, they have dark circles under their eyes, they have skin issues, they’re irritable, they’re fatigued, they have headaches, a lot of times constipation is one of the underlying issues with those people. And if we can just get them pooping properly good amount in good shape, good size, good consistency, good frequency, we can really increase their productivity, their energy, their mental cognition, we can get rid of sugar cravings. I mean, there’s a lot that can happen when you just regulate the bowels. So we’re going to dive in today on some of the big root causes root triggers, I’m going to go straight to number one for me, which is going to be gut infections. Now, you and I were just talking before we hit record about different gut bugs and how some people with IBS, they’ll end up IBS constipation, others end up IBS D diarrhea. And so depending on what type of infections you have, your bowels may become dysregulated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And so, when you have different gut stressors, slow motility can easily be a result. So you can easily see on the on the fast side, motility is too fast. Our body doesn’t have the ability to reabsorb water and electrolytes in time, because usually electrolytes and water kind of follow each other. So as the colon kind of pulls out the electrolytes, usually the water comes out with it. And so when we have slower bowel movements, right, they’re usually harder, more compact kind of stools. So if we look at like, for instance, the Bristol stool chart, I’ll pull that up on screen. So anyone that’s watching the podcast can take a look at it. The Bristol stool chart, the chart that’s used by gastroenterologist and such, but it’s just a way of kind of assessing where you’re still fit. So the typical number four is like the poopy policeman. And that’s like just a really good solid looking snake, like not overly hard not overly soft stool. That’s number one. If you go to the actual number one on the Bristol stool chart that’s like kind of the rabbit poop, right, the rabbit pellets really hard, hard to move. And then number seven is just pure liquid. So four is kind of right in the middle, and in between. So let me just show you what I’m talking about here. So you guys can visualize if you’re watching the podcast video along with it. So here is the Bristol stool charts that you guys can see. Okay, so number one, right separate heart clubs, nuts hard to pass. This is like the rabbit poop, right? That’s type one. And then it gently progresses back to two and three, right? where it starts to get more sausage shaped like it says except it gets more smoother, and that as it goes to three. And then step type four is the perfect poopy policeman kind of more of a sausage like more smooth, not overly cracked or not overly soft. And then you can see as you go to five and six, it becomes more liquid and then seven and just entirely liquid watery, no solid. And so that gives us a pretty good window. And so we usually when we have when the guts really inflamed, and we have usually a lot of toxicity in the gut, we can usually see it go to number seven where it’s pure liquid. And that’s because the body is just trying to flush things out. And when things go a little bit slower, you could still have inflammation and have type one right so you could have h pylori, that’s lowering stomach acid, you could have a lot of cebo that is meth that’s producing a lot of methane based back gases. And how do you know it’s methane is you have a lot of foul smelling gas or flatulence that’s a sign that there’s a lot of methane present. And methane can easily screw up that migrating motor complex and make the bowels go more on the slow side. But you can have the same level of infections like h pylori, or maybe histo or Giardia. And that could also cause it to go on the diarrhea side. So it just kind of depends. Everyone’s a little bit different. But we always you could have cebo you could have h pylori, you could have low enzyme and low acid levels that can easily be causing type one. But for someone else, those same infections could easily be driving steps type seven, right where it’s pure liquid. So you got to look at everyone as an individual on that. And really, you know, come up with the right plan.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and it can Alternate to write. I mean, that was my situation when I first had gut issues and I was losing weight uncontrollably when I had H. pylori and parasites and bacterial overgrowth and Candida the whole nine yards. You know, there’d be some days the gut was good. And most days the gut was not good. Luckily, I’m over that now. But man, I’ll tell you, I have a lot of empathy for people that, you know, you never know what you’re going to get, you kind of wake up and it’s like, Is today a good day or not a good day. And now that I’ve learned so much, you and I, both over the past few years about mold toxicity, that’s a big trigger for gut issues, too. So I’m get constipated, but a lot of diarrhea. And I think that’s the body’s way of trying to get rid of the toxin, but also the gut is so irritated. And you can have leaky gut from mycotoxin exposure, that that can be a factor too. So eventually, we’ll get into the gut healing phase of our conversation. I think that’s critical to healing constipation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And so on the constipation side, there could be issues with obviously, the bowel motility has to be slow. So what’s constipation. So if you’re not having a BM, you’re not passing about 12 inches of stool in about a 24 hour period. That’s typically constipation. And there are millions of people in this country that aren’t able to have a BM every day. Now, once you start going 2 3 4 5 6 7, I see some patients that go up to seven days about a BM, that’s a problem because half of your stool is going to be bacteria. The other half is going to be you know, fiber and such. And within that stool, some of that bacteria and toxins needs to leave your body. If you’re not having that pass through your intestinal tract into the toilet, your chance of reabsorbing a lot of those toxins goes up really high. That’s definitely not good. Because those toxins get reabsorbed into your body. There could be xeno estrogens, there could be mold toxins, there could be a whole bunch of junk in there that you could be reabsorbing, and that could be really stressing out your body. So the first thing we talked about with detoxification is people talk about Detox Detox Detox, right? Well, if you’re not pooping every day, and that’s because of a gut infection or not chewing your food well enough or having insufficient hydrochloric acid or enzyme levels, or having some kind of a h pylori or SIBO issue. All of those things can easily affect your detoxification people are really focused on detox. Just by getting your digestion and your motility better. That makes a huge difference on your liver, and all your detoxification pathways, your lymphatics, your immune everything.

Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s funny, you’ll see women on Instagram, they’re all done up their hair and their makeup and their lipstick, and they’re like marketing, hashtag add hashtag detox hashtag tea. And they’ve got these like, I don’t know, you know how it is like, these ridiculous products that they’re marketing and they’re not talking about poop. To me, that’s the best way to detox is get poop out. I’m not going to buy detox tea, maybe like a little bit of dandelion or some who knows milk thistle, blend it in. Yeah, I mean that that’s part of it. But unfortunately, detox has kind of gotten co opted by the marketing industry. And so most people don’t even focus on that, though. You know, they’ll poop once a week, but then they take a detox tea and they think they’re doing it correctly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, my whole take on detoxification out of the gates is very simple. Okay, first, get enough good clean water in your system, to make sure you’re digesting your amino acids and all your nutrients. Well, remember, sulfur based amino acids run the majority of your detoxification pathways, along with B vitamins, right. So we need good B vitamins, good antioxidants, good sulfur amino acids. So if we’re breaking down those nutrients, well, there’s not a bottleneck with HDL levels or enzyme levels. We’re getting enough good clean water. And we’re not overly stressing our sympathetic nervous system because remember, the more we overly overly stress the adrenals the sympathetic nervous system decreases that migrating motor complex, which are the wave like contractions that move stool through your intestinal tract just like you kind of roll up the to pace roll at night, I get that toupees moving through to get your toothpaste out to brush your teeth. your intestines do the same thing. So if you can do those top three things, right, you’re on the right track. Now there may be extra things where we need extra sulfur or extra antioxidants or compounds or binders to help with mold or heavy metals. That’s true and that that would be addressed down the road but a lot of toxic patients detoxification happens hepatobiliary liver gallbladder back into the intestines and then out the intestinal tract. So we need to have really good motility and really good absorption of nutrients and a lot of good clean water to help fuel that.

Evan Brand: Yeah, good point. Good point. Yeah, so we both manufacture our own custom blends of supplements that are professional grade, and we both have a liver support that has some gallbladder nutrients built into it. That can be really helpful because, as you mentioned, with sluggish bowels, a lot of times there’s also sluggish bile production. So just helping to thin the bile, whether it’s using supplemental ox bile or muthoni, taurine, beet powder, whatever else we could do to increase bile flow that’s going to be helping and then why don’t we hit on the diet piece. I mean, I think this is the low hanging fruit that you’re having. American is still really really blowing it on, which is just the fact that they’re not doing enough good meats, good fats, good veggies, you know, your average, American might wake up and I don’t know, do a piece of toast and maybe in 2020, or 2021, it’s an avocado toast. But still, you know, that’s not the optimal thing for good poops.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, so inflammation in the diet can easily mess up the intestinal tract, inflammation in the diet can easily create inflammation in the gut. And that could either move the body more to diarrhea or more constipation. Now, for the sake of this podcast, if we start moving more to constipation, not good. And of course, you know, these foods can stress out the intestinal tract. And then when we start creating inflammation in the intestinal tract, and then we already have indigestion, and we don’t have adequate enzymes and acids, so we’re kind of burping a lot after our meals, food sits longer in our tummy, right, and we’re not in a lot of gases are produced because the foods are not being broken down properly, that’s a problem. So we got to really make sure we’re masticating and chewing our food very, very, very well, we got to make sure that increases surface area for enzymes and acids to work, we also have to make sure we’re not overly hydrating with our meals. So hydrate 10 minutes or more before meal. And then if you’re consuming a little bit of liquid with a meal, just do it to kind of help with swallowing pills, don’t do it for hydration purposes. Because water has got a pH of seven, your intestinal tracts a pH of 1.5, or two. So if you start adding a whole bunch of seven, Ph to a to a pH of two, you’re going to move that pH more in the alkaline direction away from the acid at direction. And we need good acidity to help activate our enzymes and our acid levels very important. So that’s low hanging fruit is chew your food up well. Second, is make sure you’re not overly hydrating with the food do all your hydration two minutes before.

Evan Brand: I’ve got my grandfather so many times till this drink liquid with almost every bite of his food, held his Drink, drink drink, like take a bite of food and wash it down with liquid. I’m like no, like you’re literally just pouring water on your digestive fire don’t do that. So yeah, it’s it’s easy. And it actually does make a difference. I mean, you know, I’ve probably talked about that before. But it does make a difference. Like if I, I’ve got a mason jar here, my goal, if I sit at the dinner table, I will try to not have it more than like two ounces of liquid. You know, if I have a full cup, I’m more I’m liable to drink it. If I’ve just got a little bit I know, hey, this is the only liquid I have if I need a little help with the meal. Otherwise it just food, no liquid with the meal. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, for me, as soon as I know, like a meal is coming, I’m gonna go just maybe take two mason jars, add some sea salt to it, I’m going to down them and then I’m good. And then you know, 510 minutes later, I can start the eating process and I chew my food out very well. So then that gets the digestive juices rolling as well. So on top of that another low hanging fruit is let’s say you eat good quality proteins or fats, and that makes you constipated. That’s almost a surefire sign. You’re not making enough enzymes or acids. So some people they really do poor with enzymes, and acids, and it reveals itself through animal products. Now, a lot of people when that happens, guess what their natural tendency is, unfortunately, either going to go vegetarian or yeah, oh, it’s the meat that’s so bad for my gods, the meat that’s in my intestinal tract for days and days. It’s rotting in there, you know, yeah, documentaries, I have to cut out the animal products. Well, it’s just a sign that your enzymes and your acids are really poor. And the meat is revealing that now what’s the solution? Now in the meantime, you may want to drop down some of the meat that you’re doing, or some of the protein or fat you’re doing, just to kind of lessen some of the stress off the intestinal tract. But the first thing we’ll do before that is we’ll add in some HCl and some enzymes, maybe even some bile salts, we’ll see how much that starts to correct it. And then if we need then we can drop the animal protein and fat down a little bit if we need. Now, if your intestinal tracts really messed up, you may have to do an elemental or a bone broth faster, or something more liquid based to make it easier on your intestine. So everyone’s a little bit different. And we have a lot of clinical experience about being able to meet someone where they’re at so we can get optimal results.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and it’s sad that the meat gets the blame, you know, and like you said, all these documentaries that will pop up on Netflix, they’re all like, majority, you know, anti meat vegetarian vegan documentaries, and then you kind of have to help clients because sometimes we’ll get clients that have not listened to enough of us where the we haven’t convinced them to get back on me actually had a vegan or ex vegan client come to me last week. She said she was vegan for six years. And she got back on me with the help of listening to our podcasts. And she says she feels better than she ever has, which is amazing. She was able to transition back onto me without necessarily a bunch of supplemental enzymes, but in most cases, yeah, we’re going to come in due to and people may say why why do I need the supplement? Well, we don’t live in a world where you’re sitting on the edge of a cliff overlooking a river valley with no stress. And you know, hunter gatherer average work 18 hours a week. We’re not doing that anymore. We’re working 40 60 hour work weeks. We’ve got kids, we’ve got technology we’ve got Got smartphones taking our attention away, we’re scrolling in Bowling at chipotle looking at our phone while we’re eating, or we’re stressed from bills and mortgages and obligations and whatever and age, by the time you’re age 40 50 60, you’re not making hardly any enzymes and acids compared to when you were younger. So all those factors add up that is the answer of why why do you need enzymes to support you? And how do enzymes help you poop? Well, because when that food is digesting better, your body’s going to be able to get rid of what it doesn’t need. And if you have a lot of malabsorption problems, you know, you may see on digested food in the stool. And over time, I’ve noticed people just adding in a handful of berries a day was all we needed to really clear up their their issues. Once we got all the gut infections enzymes in, you know, infections resolved, enzymes put in if they still needed help, we’ll go into a couple other things you want to get into. But handful of blueberries, I mean, that does a lot.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it just kind of going back to some of the the vegan stuff. So I always tell my patients will in general, ie more non starchy vegetables, most paleo people eat more non starchy vegetables than vegans do. Most vegans I find have lots of processed carbohydrate, they have lots of grains, lots of lentils, or legumes and they don’t typically eat tons of non starchy vegetables, it’s it’s difficult. On the vegan side, most don’t do it right now, if you’re going to be a vegan, you need to do lots of good fats from avocado and coconuts. And you probably need some kind of an amino acid supplement from rice or pea protein or some kind of some kind of an algae kind of protein source because most aren’t doing it right if you’re going to do it that way. But number two is sometimes the vegetables can jack you up to especially if they’re raw, because a lot of that fiber or if the vegetables are higher in fermentable, carbohydrates, some can be like garlic and onions and, and broccoli and asparagus, they can be higher and fodmaps. And fodmaps can be fertilizer for a lot of the SIBO base bacteria. So if you have a lot of bad bacteria that’s producing maybe more methane, and some of those vegetables start to feed some of that methane producing bacteria that may make you more constipated too. So I’ve seen some patients do better more with the meats than with a lot of the plants. So I’ve seen it go both ways. And you know, it’s hard because if you’re let’s say you’re one person, and you had an experience where you went vegan, and you felt great, well guess what, you only have your experience, I see patients that have gone carnivore and felt great. And so because we have this perspective, where we’ve seen dozens of people do great from different things, that allows us to form a unbiased clinical recommendation on what we think is best for the patient, because we’ve seen successes work from both sides. And the question is, we don’t have a dogmatic belief in Oh, well, this is what does it well, this is why it would do it for this person. And this is maybe why it doesn’t for you. And we’re going to we’re going to move the levers around because the goal isn’t to do this thing is to get you the result. So it’s really important that if you’re working with someone, you know, kind of talking to patients that are out there, you want someone you want to work with someone that’s results driven, not process driven, meaning, hey, this, you have to do this diet, this is the most important thing, this should get you the results versus Hey, no, I want to get you these results, we’re going to try pulling some of these levers and see what happens as a result. And then we’ll we’ll go backwards from there. So just really important. You want to make sure you’re working with someone that’s results driven, not necessarily, you know, dogma driven, if you will.

Evan Brand: That’s another great soundbite. You’re just rolling out these things. I love it. This is exactly the point that we needed to hit on. Because in this day and age, unfortunately, everything is kind of a soundbite. So you go to the lectin guy, you’re going to get the lectin diet, you go to the carnivore guy, you get the carnivore diet, you go to the vegan guy, you get the vegan, and you and I don’t really have any labels for us, we’d like you said we were results driven. And so we’re able to be more flexible. I love that we’re not in a box, like these people, because once you write the carnivore book or the lectin book, you’re kind of that guy, and then you’re stuck in that box. And it’s like, oh, wait a second, I’ve got all these other people doing really good with some cooked lightly steamed veggies and blueberries over here. But you told me I need to be carnivore. So what the heck, and then it just blows your credibility. So I yeah, I don’t want to be in a box.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now I tend to lean more on the Paleo template, but I use the word template, not diet, so I can have flexibility. And there’s some patients that I’ve seen that haven’t been able to tolerate any meat, we’ve had to just lean on free form amino acids, with some good vegetables or starches that are easy to handle. And I’ve had to go to that extreme with some patients. And if my dogma was no, you must eat animal products all the time. While I may not have been able to help that Paris person so we try to have the levers that we work with. We kind of have like a foundational bias, but it’s a bias that is flexible and that we can adjust according to the patient.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And eventually I would argue that that person you’re referring to could probably get back in and they may have been able to get back here forever later.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Not the case, not a forever thing. It’s kind of a starting point where, hey, you break your ankle, you probably may have to be in a wheelchair out of the gates. And then we progress you to, you know, some crutches and they put you on a boot and then you just maybe Walk slowly, you don’t run and now you start jogging and majesty, right, there’s a progression and how you how certain things heal? Well, it’s the same thing, the four year digestive system that’s not quite as outward, it’s inward, right and how it looks and performs. But you can feel it just the same as an outward injury to your foot or hand.

Evan Brand: Yeah, I’m gonna keep this thing going a little more philosophical than action based for a minute, just to to further this conversation, which is that let’s say someone goes to the bookstore. It’s funny, everything’s changing with society, isn’t it now it’s the Amazon bookstore, the Kindle bookstore, it used to be the real physical brick and mortar, there’s still a need that exists out there. I know there are some. So you go into the store, right, and you go to the diet section, and then someone picks up like, the, like I said, the Paleo book, The lectin book, The carnivore book, they do that, and then they get different or weird results. And then they kind of just give up, and that’s why they get so opposed to the word diet, or they get so opposed to the idea of changing the way they eat to change their symptoms. But the problem is, all these people writing these books are missing all the other root causes. So just because Jane didn’t do well, with a lot of meats, she might give up on meats, like you said, or she saw the documentary and give up on meats, but she never worked with somebody like us. So when we have these clinical tools that we have, where we’re going to be measuring the stool measuring the urine and looking at different infections. If we could just resolve those for Jane, get some of the enzymes back in clear the infections, guess what now she does great with the meat. So it’s sad, because there’s so many people that may have tried stuff like this, but they got so turned off with the non amazing results that they thought it was the diet to blame. But it wasn’t it was just the root causes. And like you said, the indicator is it sort of for us, it’s a clue Oh, that happens when you do meets, that doesn’t mean give it up. That means let’s figure out why. And the H Pylori could be the big one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s true. And I call it the vegetarian or vegan honeymoon. A lot of people that do go vegan, they can feel great their first year, it all depends where they’ve come from if they ate a lot of processed food or crappy food. And they’re eating lots of organic vegetables, and maybe some good healthy or plant fats like olives, or avocado or coconut oil. And they’re just getting a lot of organic food in their system, they may feel a lot better now over time is essential fatty acids and amino acids start moving more in the deficient side. And a lot of those fat soluble vitamins like a d k start moving downward, they’ll start having more problems over time. And that’s kind of I call it the vegan honeymoon where they’re kind of chasing that honeymoon. They’re like, I don’t feel as good as I did last year. And they kind of get stuck. And usually it’s a protein, fatty acid kind of issue, or maybe even a carbohydrate issue too much carbs. And then you got to look deeper. So getting back to the constipation part right, we have the six hours that I used to work with my patients. And we kind of start with that as a framework, removing the bad foods, or placing the enzymes and acids to the first two hours. And we adjust the diet accordingly. So it could be cutting out cutting down a lot of the fiber or a lot more cooking or going lower fodmap. or cutting out salicylates or females or going on to a moon, it could be a combination of all of that could be an elemental diet, of course, adding in enzymes and acids. And bio, especially if the stools are floating more, that’s a sign that we’re not breaking down fat, so we may adjust those first two hours. And if we’re having bowel movement issues, I may add in things like ginger, or bitters or D lime any, we may have to even add in some natural things like trifle or magnesium to really get the bowels moving. It just depends. I don’t like to add in bow movers unless I really can’t move the bowels with those first two hours, right. If I can’t move the bowels with those first two hours changing the diet and changing enzymes, acids and bile support, then we may lean on things to kind of get the ball moving. But I always want to see how the body responds before we have to add those things in first.

Evan Brand: Well, you make a great point. And even clinically, the things you would recommend to be used directly for moving the bowels those things are still a hell of a lot safer and more effective than some of the conventional stuff you’re going to get. So I mean, if you go to your conventional doc and they refer you to the GI doc and you’re diagnosed with let’s say IBS, C constipation, IBS type issue, there’s going to be some type of a pharmaceutical involved and there’s likely going to be side effects with that. And once again, it’s not the root cause so in your case like you mentioned clinically, you may not go straight to the magnesium hydroxide to help move the bowels by adding water to the bowels However, there’s so many people deficient in magnesium anyway that you could be actually fixing simultaneously fixing an underlying mineral deficiency plus helping to move the bowels. So the cool thing about what we do, is there a positive side effect so we can kill multiple birds with the same stone?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, I’d much rather use a nutrient than like an abrasive herb like Cena or Cascara Sagrada, right? No one has a deficiency of that, but they may have some deficiencies in some of these magnesium so that can be helpful. Now if I get bowels moving out of the gates, usually one or two months in, I’m going to try pulling back on some of these compounds to see if the bowels can move on its own. So it just depends, right? We’re getting the body hydrated, we’re chewing better. We’re working on eating and a non stressful environment, we’re getting enzymes and acids better. We’re cutting out the inflammation. And we may be changing some of the format, the building and the food. So all of those things are moving so many levers. So when I work with patients, patients are like, want to know like, what’s the solution for this? What’s the solution for that? It’s like, I don’t know, I’m going to just give you what I’ve seen to work. And we’re going to do eight or nine or 10 things out of the gates. And we’re going to see what works. But in general, to know exactly which one it is, it’s really hard because you’d have to like make one change, wait a couple of weeks, make one change, wait a couple of weeks. And it would take patients years to get better versus weeks and months. And so we make a whole bunch of changes at once. And then we monitor and we check in on those changes.

Evan Brand: Yeah, good point. So just to give a little more clarity, somebody who’s listening, like what does that even mean? Eight or nine changes. Oh, my God, that’s overwhelming. No, I mean, it could be Hey, look, we’re going to give a little more enzymes and acids, we’re going to pull this food out, we’re going to get you to do a little bit more water and a cleaner water source, we may throw in a little bit of this extra mineral, or maybe a little extra vitamin C, you’re going to do a handful extra of some blueberries, you’re going to make sure you’re getting enough adequate movement because you’re a sedentary job. So we’re going to get you a standing desk. And now you can stand up and move around, we’re going to get you to do a 10 minute walk a day, we’re going to get you to you know, take a couple deep breaths, we’re going to get you to chew your food better, we’re going to make sure that you’re not sitting in, I don’t know a crazy loud restaurant with like, you know, speakers blasting, you know, techno music in the background, we want you to just settle down, we want you to go to bed on time. I mean, yeah, those things give you 5 10 15%. And then by the time you add it all up, you’ve got really good success.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you’re not chewing your food. I’m sorry, you’re not hydrating when you’re eating right? All these things matter. And maybe getting a little bit more sunlight, right? All these things matter. And so that’s why it’s so hard to be like, well, what’s the solution? for this? It’s like, well, there’s a lot of things that can be a contributing factor, it could be 10%, for this 5% for that 20%. For that it’s very rare that this one thing is at 90 100%. Sometimes you get big, like you just make one simple change. And you the next week you check in with the patient. They’re like, well, I’m 80 or 90% better, it’s like whoa, that’s a home run, that can happen too. But we don’t count on it. And that’s why we do things kind of in a systematic fashion of what’s going to be the low hanging fruit and then we kind of move up from there, right? You got to build up the foundation of the house once the foundation solid, now you can you can build up, the foundation is not solid, then you have a whole bunch of problems that have happened with with the building of the house as you start going up.

Evan Brand: Good point. Good point. And this is the whole reason that we do a workup and we run people through a sort of a system. You call it a system approach. Because if you come in and you go to the doc, hey, I’ve got constipation. Pharmaceutical laxative, see you later. If you come to us constipation, it’s like, Huh, Interesting. Interesting. Okay, let’s figure out why. And if you ask why enough and you do the proper testing, you’re going to get to that why. So I just want to make sure we’re always comparing and contrasting because you ask, you know, Bobby, who hasn’t pooped all week what he’s going to do for his constipation, he might go to Walgreens, he’s going to go to the laxative section. Oh, I found this laxative. This one looks good. Let me drink some of this stuff. Oh, yeah, I poked Problem solved. It’s like, huh, yeah, you solve the constipation problem, but you didn’t solve why that’s happening in the first place. So I just, it shouldn’t have to be revolutionary to think root cause, but it still is not the mainstream. So until it’s the mainstream, our job is not done.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And so when for most conventional, like gastro people, for instance, they’re just like, hey, motility support, here you go laxative support, here you go. It’s very rare, you may get one that say, hey, let’s do a Siebel breath test, maybe that, and then what after that, maybe they’re gonna just recommend, hey, you know, do this quick little diet thing, because a lot of the conventional fodmap diet still have a lot of grains and other crap in there. So you may not change the inflammation. And they may throw some Rifaximin or neomycin at you, boom. And then now maybe you have a fungal overgrowth or something on the backside, because they don’t do or address the gut bacteria, right? And then that can create other rebound overgrowth down the road. So let’s say you have a very progressive kind of forward thinking gastro Doc, maybe that’s what happens that I just mentioned, but most that’s going to be hey, here’s your motility enhancer. And you know, you got to just learn to relax and meditate and hey, maybe taking antidepressant a lot of time. That’s it. So you’re kind of stuck. And that’s just the insurance space model. When you have three to five minutes with a doc, that’s typically all they’re going to recommend for you. They don’t have enough time to really dive in deeper. And that model doesn’t give them the ability to dive in deeper. So you really need to see a functional medicine doctor to really have the ability to go deeper and get to the root cause.

Evan Brand: Yeah, I get so frustrated with that term, integrative it just makes me angry because I’ve had so many people and I know you have to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of clients and patients that have said I’ve worked with this angle. Right of guy, Mike Oh, integrative What did he do? And you know, they kind of market it as it’s like so forward thinking, but like you said, it may be the Rifaximin at most. And then guess what a lot of these people they have antibiotic resistant infection. So we’ll test them and guess what the SIBO situation is still going on. Maybe they have parasites or like you said, there’s a fungal overgrowth component to it as well, their guts leaky, their guts inflamed. Now they’ve got all sorts of other problems as a side effect of hitting this Rifaximin. In some cases, it can help maybe play whack a mole a little, it may knock some things down, but they still have enough problem when they come to us that we need further work. So I get frustrated with this integrative idea. Because and I know there’s good intention behind it. But as you mentioned, with that model, the way the model exists, it doesn’t doesn’t allow enough time and there’s not enough advanced testing, like we’re doing to to fully get to the bottom of it

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. And once you kind of talk to your conventional medical doctor, and you say, hey, walk me through your thinking on what you think the root cause of this could be. Usually it kind of reveals their that they really don’t know. Because if you’re just providing a drug to treat the symptoms, well, obviously, they’re not worried about the root cause because it’s Band Aid down below, right? So we kind of look at everything in my line, kind of as the SSS approach, right? You have the underlying stressors here, could be physical stress, chemical stress, emotional stress, food allergies, bacterial overgrowth, sibo, right, all of these stressors, increase our stress bucket, and then the body systems start to dysfunction, hormones, digestion, immune detoxification, as the system starts to dysfunction, then you have all this, the symptoms happen down below. And so conventional medicine just band aids, these symptoms down below, they don’t ever go upstream. So you got to have conversations with your doctors that talk more about the upstream issues. And so we try to nullify all of the underlying stressors, make sure foods good chewings, good, hydrations. Good. And then we’re going to do tests that look at the function of the systems. So it’s a lot different of approach. So if you’re working with someone, you know, you want to be able to ask the right questions, what do you think the underlying root causes are, and as a patient, make sure you walk into it with an open mind that there’s probably not one underlying issue, it’s probably a bunch of things that are spread out, that are part of the underlying cause, from a stress standpoint, and the body system standpoint that are emanating the symptoms downstream?

Evan Brand: Yeah, well said Well said, that’s a great, great visualization, and you have permission to have 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 things going on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s the key, that’s that that’s the missing assumption, you could have a lot of different things. And then as you walk through with the clinician, and you’re making changes, you need to not go into it as Oh, I made this diet change and the supplement, I don’t feel better yet. It’s okay. There’s always a plan B, a Plan C, a plan D, a plan E. And if the answers down here, and E and F and you, you quit and get discouraged that B and C, then you never get a chance to kind of go deeper. So just as patients are listening here, always make sure you have that ability to kind of just like, have a good attitude and keep on progressing down the line.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and you can’t blame them on me. This is the way that people have been conditioned over decades and decades of conventional medicine, but it still does frustrate me when someone will approach us whether it’s a friend or a family member or something and they’ll say, Hey, you know, I’ve got autoimmune. I’ve got sjogrens or I’ve got alopecia or I’ve got, you know, diabetes type two. What’s wrong with me? Like, why did this happen? Where did this come from? It’s like, Where do I even start? You stay up till 1am? You posted a picture the other day on your Facebook page? Have you eating an ice cream Sunday? Yeah, never get exercise. I know what you do. You sit all day, you don’t get outside and you’ve never had a tan in your life. So you’re afraid of the sun. If you do go outside, you lather yourself in sunscreen chemicals. You don’t eat organic, you’re super stressed. I mean, you know, so when people ask, well, what’s wrong? Why is this happening? It’s almost like, Oh, are you ready for this? Because I’m about to open up Pandora’s box here. And I’m going to tell you 20 things of what’s happening, I’m gonna tell you 30 things of why this has happened to you. So it’s just a reeducation really, of telling people look, it’s there’s not a one smoking gun, rarely to you and I find one smoking gun.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep, I 100% agree. It’s nice every now and then where you kind of get a home run and functional medicine, when you kind of make a couple of changes. And it’s like boom, and you blast it out of the park. It’s always a good luck little ego check. Because you know, you work with a lot of difficult patients over over time. And so it’s nice to get a couple of home runs every now and then. But if you work with a good clinician that has the right algorithm and kind of goes through the things goes to the options that give you the greatest chance of success out of the gates, and then work to the things that give you the less success at the end, then you have the greatest chance of success as a patient early on. And you set the foundation for greater healing over time. So I think that’s really the most important mindset is clinically go with the high percenter options.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and I’m not being a bully here. And I’m not making First of these people, I’m just saying, we really need to re education. You know, you you people eventually come out of the woodwork at at you when you and I do what we do and they’re not ready for the red pill. They’re not you know, they’ll ask what’s wrong me? Why do I have diabetes? Or why do I have this headache? It’s like, ah, are you ready? Are you ready? Because there’s there’s a lot to uncover. There’s a lot to unpack.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think most people once they’ve kind of gone through the conventional medicine model, and they’ve kind of said, Hey, all right, well, I just don’t want to be relying on laxatives or enemas my whole life. What’s next? Usually, once there’s, they kind of have this level of like, okay, these are the only options I have from conventional medicine. There’s a level of openness that occurs from that, where they’re like, Alright, what’s next? What’s next? I’d see functional medicine and nutrition is helping people all the time, what’s next outside of this because they just kind of have this yearning that there’s got to be something more. And I think that’s creates a level of openness and readiness to. 

Evan Brand: Good point. Good point. Yeah. I often say people have to hit rock bottom or they have to be miserable enough to listen, I mean, you and I’ve heard countless stories of husbands and wives that are stubborn and they want to eat the pizza while the other spouse has to eat the grass fed steak and sweet potato that grass fed steak sweet potato tastes better anyway. So I don’t know what they’re doing. But But anyway, they’ve got to have their own issue right? And then finally, once the other person once they get miserable enough, then finally they’re they’re willing and you don’t have to drag them into this whole thing as much.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I totally agree. Well, if you guys are listening, and you enjoy the podcast here, put your comments down below. Really appreciate the thumbs up and a share. We also reviews are great, It’s great. If you feel free to head over to you can schedule an appointment with Evan anywhere in the world. Vice versa with myself Dr. J at We’re here to help y’all. And I appreciate you guys listening and just feel free to share this content with some friends or family that can benefit. Again, we’re clinicians that have had 10s of thousands of patients experience kind of combined, and we want to provide actionable information with y’all so you can take action and get your health back in your hands. So we really appreciate you guys being listeners and attending. 

Evan Brand: Take great care yourself. We’ll be back next week. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thanks.


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Detox with the Correct Binders | Podcast #324

Dealing with toxic substances can be an overwhelming experience. With that in mind, it helps when things are simplified and made into relatable terms. Intestinal binders are a crucial part of any detox protocol. When the liver processes toxins, they get excreted through bile and into the small intestine. If the toxins are not bound to anything, most of them will get reabsorbed in the gut.

It is important to note that certain health conditions may make binder types more or less desirable. Having a good practitioner help determine those choices for you is always advisable. Also, there are some circumstances, such as in autoimmune disease and infectious conditions, that require the use of precaution and targeted choices with binders. Proper sourcing is critical as with all supplements, as each of them can come with unnecessary risks if they are not high-grade/quality. 

Binders are like free hall passes! In using a binder, your body is spared the work required to process a toxin through the liver and gallbladder and is, instead, excrete from the body. Check out this podcast to know more about what suits you!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

0:18      How Binders Work

8:38      Binders’ Mechanism

15:11     Detoxifying

21:20    Different Kinds of Binders

29:44    Detox as a Side Effect

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We are live. It’s Dr. J here in the house with Evan brand. Today we’re gonna be talking about using binders to help detoxify, exciting podcast because we are utilizing all the things that we are chatting about with our patients every week. And we’re excited to share with everyone else, some of our natural strategies, Evan, how you doing, man? 

Evan Brand: I’m doing really well excited to dive into this. This is something that you and I got into several years ago. And it’s been really helpful for our practice, because we’ve been able to take people that were not tolerating protocols, and then we were able to get them to tolerate the protocol. And so when you’re coming in and working on something like gut infections, whether it’s h pylori parasites, bacterial overgrowth, Candida, sometimes, if people have been sick for a really long time, they may not tolerate the protocol we’re giving them. And that doesn’t mean the protocol that we’re giving them is incorrect, or there’s something wrong with it, or there’s an herb reaction or I don’t know, like a, you know, a supplement, it’s not working well for them. That’s not usually the case. In fact, that’s extremely rare. But what rather is happening is that the process of killing off these toxins, I kind of use the analogy of like a bad breakup. And when you’re kicking out the girlfriend, she’s taking off the pictures off the wall, and she’s breaking them and there’s a bunch of glass shards in the hallway as you kick her out. It’s not a clean breakup. And so when you’re killing off these bugs, they don’t want to die, they don’t want to leave. And so they may release toxins that make you feel bad in an effort to get you to stop killing them. Hence, that’s where binders will come in, and they’re acting as the janitor, and they’re going to come sweep up the glass shards that the bugs left behind. interesting way of looking at it. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I like it, like the analogy that I typically give is imagine you got a trash barrel right in your home, well, it may not be a big deal until you go buy a whole bunch of groceries. Now imagine you got a smaller trash barrel. Well, once you throw it away the egg carton and all the other trash from everything else it’s going to overflow. And that overflowing is where you start dealing with die off. And a lot of people, people that are more sick tend to have smaller trash baskets to begin with. And so essentially giving yourself a bigger trash basket or increasing the frequency that we take it out, right, empty it out, is going to help. So I think either analogy works. So in general, I think the first thing I want to highlight off the bat is well, I like to prepare patients to get there you know, to get killing done in the right way. So I’m always working on hormones and adrenals and diet and blood sugar indigestion first, I find that is the most important component to all this. So an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. So before you go in and start having to do all this killing and and use binders, first, get yourself ready for it. And most people do not like that they want to go in there and Kill Kill, kill, kill, kill, but preparations and be really important. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, and it sounds really attractive. And people, they get really excited when they find pathogens on a test. So we’re going to run a comprehensive stool panel, we’re going to run an organic acids test. And we’re going to be jumping on a call with someone to discuss the lab results. And then they’re going to say, Oh my god, I have to get this stuff out of me. I knew I had parasites. I knew I had this. I knew I had that. And then they’re ready. But we kind of have to pace people, you know, when we’ve done this thousand plus times between the both of us. So we know that, hey, based on their constitution, how do you pick up on that as a practitioner? Well, it all goes into stress management? What’s in their bucket of stress? Are they going through a divorce? Are they moving cross country? Are they a teacher? Are they working overtime? Are they a CEO? Are they not sleeping? Well? Are they doing too much alcohol? Those things are going to make us say, Hmm, well, you know what, we probably can’t go full strength with this person. Or if we do, we’re going to need to come in and bring in the binders. And the binders are these tools that they can be used in isolation. And we often use those in isolation. However, the majority of time we’re going to be using them as just part of a protocol, meaning maybe during the day, we’re going to be killing bugs. And then maybe at night, we’re going to be using binders or maybe first thing in the morning when they’re fasted and we know fasting increases the excretion of toxins, including mold and mycotoxins. Maybe we have someone do a binder first thing in the morning at six or 7am when they wake up, and they don’t eat until eight or nine when they take their killing or something like that. So there’s a lot of ways to work these into the protocol. And that kind of depends on the person. It depends on the Constitution. It depends on whether it’s a kid or an adult. But these are amazing tools. And we’ll break it down here in a minute.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep, I like that. I think it makes a lot of sense. So one of the first things we can do to help it die off as decrease inflammation. We know agglutination happens or cells become really sticky when there’s a strong inflammatory environment. So like imagine walking in your kitchen and like the floor is really sticky. It’s like you’re like creeping around that icky feeling on your feet. That’s kind of what happens when you’re inflamed and you start doing detoxification, your body is just all inflamed, things aren’t moving, things are sticky. And we want to keep things loose and flowing and slippery. So the first thing kind of in preparation For all this is getting the inflammation down. So one of the things that I love doing for die off support, we talked about it before. One we’ve already worked on the diet, right inflammations down food allergens, our digestion is better. We’re working on sleep, we’re working on hydration. Getting your hydration up is super important, right? Every time you consume water, you’re diluting the amount of toxins in your body, alright significantly. And so solution to pollution is dilution, high quality, filtered water, reverse osmosis or some kind of really good filter spring water, maybe add some extra minerals in so that you’re getting some minerals to add in some ginger tea. Ginger is natural anti inflammatory, and it’s also a natural anticoagulant. So prevents things from sticking, you could do ginger tea, burdock teas also really good, that’s a good starting place. And then things are moving, your cells aren’t clumping up and sticking together. And then from there, that’s where it’s a good place to maybe add in some binders. So a good first binder would be a really good activated charcoal, especially ones that are kind of more coconut shell based at bedtime, two hours after food and supplements. So it’s kind of in your bloodstream, it’s kind of filtering things out. It’s not getting binding up to all your food and all the nutrients in your food, unless you want to because you’re eating some bad food. That’s a good first starting point to kind of get you moving. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, let’s break down charcoal just a little bit. So people understand what it is they hear it but they’re picturing maybe the charcoal, you know, petroleum based block that your dad used to put lighter fluid on and burn them down and put them in the grill. And then you cook some hot dogs as a kid or something.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, totally. 

Evan Brand: That’s not the charcoal we’re talking about. So basically, what they’re going to do is they’re going to heat these coconut shells, that’s going to be the best. And that basically, they’re decomposed coconut shells. So they’re at a very, very, very high temperature. And then they’re going to combine it with oxygen to, quote, activate the charcoal. And then what happens is, if you were to look at it under a microscope, you’ve got millions and millions and millions of what they would call micro pores on the surface of the charcoal. And it’s when people say bind, it sounds like a magnet, but it’s really not, you know, it’s called an adsorbent agent. And so you’ve got just make sure you had it right. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it’s not like a sponge. It’s more like a magnet. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, right. So it’s like you’ve got but it’s a weak magnet is my point about the magnet is, is it’s weak, meaning that you actually can create a hurts if you do too much charcoal, for example. So I did it personally, when I went really high dose like 810 capsules, several times a day of charcoal, I actually, I started to get just a little off like I was detoxing too much. And so I found Yes, it is kind of a magnet, but it’s a weak one. Meaning that if you picture like the lava rock, that’s probably the best example in in a big form that people can visualize as those lava rocks. Maybe you had though, that was like old school landscaping. I know as a kid, we had lava rocks in the front of our house. Yep. And so the lava rock, you saw these tiny little holes in it. And that’s kind of the charcoal but but at a bigger level. And so let’s say it’s mycotoxins or heavy metals or pesticide, whatever else is kind of in those little holes. But remember, you still have to move this microscopic lava rock with the, with the toxins on through the intestinal tract. And if you have a leaky gut, some of those things can kind of fall off the law of rock and then go back into the bloodstream, which is why you can hurt even from binders alone. And so this is a really important point I want people to know because more is not always better when it comes to binders. So sometimes you can only handle one cap of charcoal three times a day, some people can handle more than that. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% so you kind of highlight a couple things. What’s the mechanism? Well, there’s gonna be an adsorbent mechanism thing absorbed more magnet absorbed more like a sponge, right? absorbent sponge adsorbent more magnet. Again, we want to take it after food and supplements. We don’t bind up nutrition. I like starting in a bedtime. So it’s working overnight because a lot of how we detoxify happens around one to 3am. So I like having it in the intestinal tract when the liver and gallbladder dump. That way, it’s there binding stuff up and we can excrete it better. Now, one of the big side effects of activated charcoal on binders is constipation. So I always tell my patients Make sure your bowel movements are regular before you go into killing and use any binders because if we’re adding things that could slow down the motility more well that’s that’s a problem. Now, it’ll at least help pull toxins in but it’s still going to be slowing down your body’s ability to get toxins out of your intestinal tract. So that’s not good. So if that’s the case, we’re going to be adding in things to help move our intestinal tract and make sure we’re passing all of our bowel movement out in 24 hours or less 18 to 24 hours. So we have that effective mechanism of elimination working. So first thing is first check is like hydration. Second check is making sure your bowel movements are working and then if they’re not, we’re going to be adding things in to make sure our intestinal intestinal tract is moving appropriately before we add in binders. And if we have Side effects of constipation with the binders, we’re going to be adding more support to keep the bowels moving. 

Evan Brand: And it’s honestly pretty easy. I mean, it’s a very common kind of gut reaction, oh my god, charcoal, constipation. But I’ll be honest with you, it’s rare that it’s something that requires special attention. Because a lot of times we’re doing extra vitamin C, because most people are low in that most people are deficient in magnesium. So we’re doing extra of that already. A lot of times the herb formulas that you are using for gut infections, those may have some extra bow moving support in those and just by clearing out infections you and I’ve talked about, in the past how bacterial overgrowth can create certain gases that will slow the transit time down, just by eradicating those infections, the bowels can return to normal. So yes, constipation can happen. But it’s usually not a huge wrench in the gears. And we can overcome it pretty easily with minor tweaks if needed.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. So it can go either way. Some people when they get inflamed, they’re pulling a whole bunch of water in to flush things out. If you’re more prone to be constipated, you just have to be mindful of it. That’s why when we’re adding in binders, we’re doing it like one capsule at a time. So there’s no big jump, where people get into trouble is they just kind of come in there with a higher dose or they jump too fast. And that’s where the problem comes in. And again, like Evan mentioned us some of the herbs that we give may have a really, you know, good laxative effects are really healthy intestinal migrating motor complex work well, if not, I’ll be using special special things like magnesium and things like that to keep the intestinal tract moving. Ginger is a really good pro kinetics. So we’ll be adding that in and really just helping to support the natural migrating motor complex of the intestinal tract while adding some binders now, once we start adding some binders at nighttime, we may do it sometime midday as well that way we kind of have coverage within a 12 hour timeframe. So we have some coverage at night, some coverage during the day. But I always start at night first, partly because that’s when we were dumping a lot of toxins at night. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, let me just address this concern real quick. And then we’ll move on to my next favorite binder, which is chlorella. So just like oh, charcoal, constipation, people go Oh, charcoal mineral depletion. I’ve talked with a guy named Neil Nathan, who wrote a great book called toxic. I often recommend people buy that to look into binders. He has worked alongside a guy named Dr. Michael gray, who’s a toxicologist, I believe he’s out of Arizona, he’s a guy who’s been working on treating mold. For decades, this guy has been using, I’ve heard insane numbers like 50 to 100 grams of charcoal per day, we’re talking literally 8090 100 capsules of charcoal a day for years. And there’s never been an issue of mineral depletion, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. So his kind of argument after I probed him on that question was, well, what about mineral depletion? He goes well, so what if you lose one or 2% of minerals? If you’re getting 98% of your nutrition and minerals, still, the the pros outweigh the cons in the sense that you’re removing toxins that are affecting hormones, the brain, the liver, the kidney, so he’s like, yeah, maybe you lose a couple percent. But it’s never been something that’s called like a heart attack. Because you’ve lost so much potassium or anything crazy like that. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you’re just going to be taking it away, you’re going to be just taking it away from it. So that’s going to mitigate most of it. If you’re taking activated charcoal with your food all the time. Yeah, maybe you have a problem. But you’re going to be one you’re going to be kept getting a lot of minerals in your water and food throughout the day. And then you’re going to start by taking it at night when you’re not, like overly hydrating anyway, and to at least two hours after you eat and so it’s not that big of a deal. And so yeah, as long as you time it up, right. I just think that’s a moot point for sure. 

Evan Brand: Yeah. All right. So let’s let’s go into chlorella, because I really love chlorella, and I didn’t know too much about it. Besides that you’d see like little chlorella tablets, it always comes in these little green looks like a little Pez or something and they’re kind of hard to chew, but they’re a little awkward to swallow. And then Luckily, I found a couple companies that make micronized liquid chlorella, and that’s what I often use. chlorella is an algae. But it works amazing as a broad spectrum. So a lot of people kind of market it as a heavy metal detox because it has a really unique ability to bind on to heavy metals like mercury and lead and cadmium and arsenic and aluminum things that every modern human has, whether it’s from breathing and car exhaust, to having amalgam fillings in their mouth, but it’s awesome. And I’ve seen I could show you several case studies on pesticides, herbicides, and mold toxins, and chlorella being used to pull those out. We’ve got in fact before and after results of seeing even little kids, 234 year olds that I’ve worked with where they had major, major major pesticides. These were kids that were diagnosed autistic, are on the spectrum. We give them as high doses we can go with chlorella, we retest after three to six months and guess what the pesticides herbicides are gone. And oh my god. I mean, sometimes it just almost makes you cry because it’s like, wow, how is something like this so beneficial, but you’re not hearing about this on the nightly news?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, absolutely. So the first thing we can do to detoxify I always tell patients is stop adding toxins in. So first stop adding toxins in so look at your pesticides right? Look at the food that you’re eating, make sure it’s organic, no GMOs, you know, make note, no added hormones, don’t consume foods and plastics. If you use plastic, you know, try to keep it in the fridge out of the sunlight out of heat out of the microwave. Excellent clean water, filtered water, clean water, if it’s aro, no big deal, add some minerals back in there, I see a lot of people complaining about our water, hey, I rather have my water cleaner, and then add minerals back in and have water that’s more toxic, because you can’t, you can’t add things into the water that make it more or less toxic. It’s either got to be filtered from toxins, and then you can add minerals back in on the flip side. And that’s totally okay. And then from there. And then from there, that’s going to kind of give you that the first foundation because your food’s good, your water is good. And then all your hygiene products make sure deodorants and skincare and soaps were free of toxins there. And that way when we add in binders, there’s going to be just less things that have to be binded. So our body can work on binding up more things that are released from our tissues that are more stored toxins versus toxins that are coming in every day from our environment. 

Evan Brand: That’s a great point. I even forgot to mention that which is duh. Why did people have to get into the situation where they need binders in the first place? Well, it’s they’ve been exposed to toxins. Now, some people they weren’t exposed to toxins on purpose, it was just they ate organic, but then they, you know, stayed a month in a moldy Airbnb or something and they got exposed that way. So it’s not always your fault. But you’re right, you got to empower people and say, hey, look, you can make a choice, you can either eat organic, and not get exposed, or you can eat conventional. But now you’ve got to do the cleanup work. And it’s much better to stop it before it gets in than having to remove it once it’s already in.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. Now, outside of that we can do things that help our livers function better, we can work on phase one detoxification support, which will take a lot of these fat soluble toxins and convert them into water soluble. Now these toxins are mobile. So the activated charcoal really works great when toxins are now mobilized, if they’re not mobilized, these binders aren’t going to really work well because everything’s kind of be in the tissue kind of stored up so to speak. So it’s gonna be hard to really grab it. So getting phase one detoxification support dialed in B vitamins, antioxidants, these are going to be key nutrients, maybe liver tona fine herbs like milk thistle, or dandelion or artichoke root. I have a supplement called liver supreme or antioxidant supreme are both my phase one detoxification support that gets things mobilized. Now if they’re mobilized now we can come in there with binders and we can soak it up a little bit. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, phase two is important to now a little involved, I would suppose with the with the binder conversation, because if phase two is not working, you know, phase one can be up regulated. But if phase two is not working, it’s like you’ve got a fire hose going into a garden hose and the backup can happen there. And I’ll tell you personally, and clinically, when I start to use nutrients to fuel phase to like some of the amino acids. I’ve taken it too far like with everything, you know, because I’m a guinea pig. But I’ve noticed massive, massive improvements just by helping out phase two. And then if I ramp up phase two too much, I’ll throw in binders and then the binders will kind of help mitigate the hurdles from up regulating phase two. So it’s a it can be a little bit of a seesaw sometimes. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. 

Evan Brand: All right, what else what else should we hit on? We should hit on the the Clay’s a little bit as well. You and I love clays that are awesome. You’ve got zeolite you’ve got bentonite clays, those are kind of your top big ones you’ve got like green clays and such clays are awesome. I find that they are really good at heavy metals and molds and will often use it in a blend. So we’ll use a little bit of clay a little bit of charcoal a little bit of chlorella all at once. And they’re well tolerated. I haven’t seen that many people who works from clay so I don’t have any, you know, evidence beyond clinical with this, but I would say that you seem to have less hurting with clays than you do like chlorella or charcoal. I find you can go too much with the others.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, yeah. So just to highlight a couple of things here regarding the sulfur. NAC. glutathione glutathione is a tri peptide anyway. So that’s made from glutamine, glycine, cysteine, right, taurine, MSM, alpha lipoic acid, just getting a lot of our sulfur nutrients on board is going to be huge. That’s going to help provide a lot of the building blocks for phase two. And that way we’re going to be able to, you know, and acetylation, glutathione, conjugation, methylation, right, these are going to involve a lot of our phase two nutrients and so Phase One, like methylation will evolve, like b 12. And full eight, right? So we want to make sure all those things are working if we need Now, some people, we’re not going to be pushing the toxification directly, we’re going to just be, it’s gonna be there more to help pick up the dead debris from things that are being killed in the gut. But if the activated charcoal still not enough, we may have to push more of those phase one and phase two, just to make sure those toxins are releasing, and then the binders will be there to catch things a little bit as well. So a little bit of a push catch, if necessary. If not, we’ll just be doing more of a catch and the push will be more from the killing side. So everyone’s a little bit different. And I tend to a lot of times this isn’t a problem when you have the foundation built in first. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, the funny thing is going into this podcast, I thought, oh, wow, this will be you know, pretty easy to explain. But the more we dive into it, the more this thing gets a little tricky. And so case specific because some people, they don’t tolerate up regulating phase two that much, and other people they have trouble with the binders. So we try to make this stuff as simple as we can. But keep in mind people this is not This podcast is not designed to replace one on one functional medicine care. So if you really want to get to the bottom of these issues, you need help you need us to help guide you through this because I don’t want you to go in and just pop in a bunch of charcoal and you feel bad. You don’t know why. And then you’re confused about what you’re going to do next. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% So let’s talk about some binders. So activated charcoal, you mentioned the heating like that the you know the which is going to really have a big binding effect. It’s also going to help with mold as well. We have things like bamboo, bamboo binders are excellent as well. We have things like citrus pectin, which are shown to be very helpful for lead. We have zeolite binders which are very helpful for mold. I think activated charcoal is also very helpful for mold. We have things like beetroot powder, which has some natural binding effects for mold as well. Obviously, we have the medication coolest I mean, which is a really good mole binder. There’s some side effects, though, which can lower your sex hormones fulvic minerals, which have some mold and some binding effects to any comments on the different kinds of binders having chlorella, more on the metal side more for Mercury, though more in the intestinal tract. Anything else?

Evan Brand: Yeah, the colas. darmian is strong stuff. I used it. And, man, I tell you it works. But I do believe that it affected my gut negatively. I do believe that. Now I don’t know if I don’t know if that’s a direct influence, or is it a byproduct of dragging mycotoxins out of the system? I’m not too sure. But I would try to tell people don’t use the prescription binder unless you absolutely have to. And you’re just so miserable. You can’t get yourself out of the rabbit hole with it. Because for me necessary for most. Yeah, for me, I just I really struggled. And I was doing the natural binders for months. And I needed a little extra help. So I did it short term. But I would try to stray most people away the natural binders can be really good if you have enough patience and time to resolve the issues.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And you’ve like for you it’s more of a mold thing. So we’re kind of talking for binders for most people is more in the killing side. Right. So for that you had no problems with it. Right? It was more on the mold side, correct? 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, that’s right. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then you find you fit on the mold binding side, you found that which is better for you when you had what more glutathione and more so for support in along with the binders? Was that true? 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, the glutathione definitely helped as long as I didn’t do too much. And then also helping the glucuronidation pathway that’s also part of this whole conversation. And so calcium D glucose rate did great things for me. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, calcium to glucose. It’s good. And that’s a estrogen binder as well as a mole binder. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, it really helps with z, what’s called [inaudible], which is something we test for on the urine. So, you know, like we’ve talked about today, you can have a kind of a broad spectrum approach, but we really try to dial it in if we can, if we see specific mycotoxins, we’ll try to give a little more specific. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. So I think that’s really important. Anything else you wanted to highlight on that?

Evan Brand: I think that’s it. I would just say the first step is really trying to get the data, right, because, you know, people hear the word detox and like, yep, I need some of that. And it’s kind of trendy, which is, I guess, good, but also bad because people just jump into detox not knowing why or what they’re doing or what they’re after. So my recommendation as always our philosophies test, don’t guess and figure out what do you have that you’re detoxing? Do you have a heavy metal burden? Let’s find out. Do you have a mycotoxin burden? Do you have pesticides and chemicals? Do you have all that? Okay, great. Now, let’s make a plan to go after these things. So, like I said, Don’t just run to Whole Foods, buy coconut charcoal and take it if you don’t know why you need it. I prefer people have a reason. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110% I totally agree. So a couple things, right. So number one, people say toxification. Right? Well, number one, you’re always detoxifying. The question is, are you detoxifying at 100%? Are there enough toxins and stressors in the environment that are impairing your detoxification? where certain toxins are accumulating in your body more than are being eliminated. So number one, you’re always detoxify. Number two, it’s more optimizing your detox vacation systems. Also number three people that talk about cellular detox. That’s marketing garbage. Okay. detoxification is happening at a cellular level. It’s called their cytochrome p 450 oxidase pathways that’s happening biochemically at a cellular level. amino acids, vitamins, minerals, nutrients, these pathways are being upregulated all the time that’s happening at a cellular level. So when people talk about cellular detox, that’s just marketing hooey. Anything you do to help detoxification just drinking more water, guess what you’re enhancing, so detoxification just by you, decreasing inflammation. You having really good nutrition in your food, you’re enhancing the certification. Okay, so don’t get don’t get caught up with a lot of these marketing buzzwords. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, unfortunately, detox is probably the most what would you say? Maybe sleazy snake oily type part of functional medicine? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it is for sure. I think a lot of the time it is because people come at it from that’s the first step. So they’re taking people and they’re just trying to upregulate these pathways right out of the gates. And people have gut issues, and they’re being nutritionally deficient for a while. And there have a lot of toxins that they’re consuming food wise, or in their life. Yeah, they can really feel crappy and sick. So it’s probably the last thing I do out of the gates again, specifically, right, we’re always detoxifying. So if I see a patient and I don’t hit the toxification, specifically with those nutrients, but I get them drinking better, cleaner water, and get them going organic, and get them pooping every day. I am enhancing their detoxification, like, tenfold just doing that alone. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s just funny, I guess, it gets a little-

Evan Brand: Cheesy, because that’s one of the few things that your average person who knows nothing about functional medicine knows about is the word detox. They probably heard it before their friend drinking detox tea or something silly like that. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right? And then you have like the master cleanse detox, right, which is, hey, that’s cool. You’re giving your digestive system a break, and you’re not necessarily detoxifying. When you when you do that, I mean, you’re not enhancing nutrition, you’re enhancing fasting and autophagy. And, and that can help with stem cells. And that can help detoxify a little bit, because you’re, you’re fasting. So detoxification is a little bit higher there, but you’re not specifically pushing those pathways. Most of those benefits happen because you’re not consuming a whole bunch of food allergens. People feel better doing a Master Cleanse, it’s typically because their diet usually isn’t that great. So when they go on a Master Cleanse, they’re avoiding a lot of those foods that are inflaming them all the time. The more healthy Your food is, when you go to a cleanse, you’re kind of like, Oh, well, it isn’t that big of a deal, because your food’s already really high quality. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah. silica is on the list, too. There are small nutrients. I mean, there’s there’s boron, there’s trace minerals. Or you may be helpful. Yeah, molybdenum can be helpful. So I think we hit on a lot of the big ones, though, a lot of the big tools that you mentioned the pack, then I’ve done packed and I’ll be honest, I haven’t noticed much from it. I do use it in combination with some other binders. But I’ve never done just like a pectin trial by itself and notice any significant difference, meaning I haven’t taken it. And my head’s clear, like with charcoal, if I’m kind of fuzzy, I’ll take a little charcoal and then boom, you know, I’ll notice the clarity. I don’t know if it’s pectins different maybe it’s not binding on to the type of toxin that’s causing the head drunkenness in the first place. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s better for lead I think and Merc, okay, yeah, we’re for the heavy metals, but it’s still helpful, you know, ya know, if you’re gonna be detoxifying, it’s not gonna hurt having that in there. It just wouldn’t be the only thing you’d have in there.

Evan Brand: Right, right. Yeah. And so, and maybe heavy metals, they don’t have as much of a quick turnaround time on your symptoms, whereas mold does, like, I know, if I’ve taken a mold hit, it’s like, Whoa, it’s a pretty quick symptom reaction. Whereas, hey, I breathe in a little car exhaust, I’m probably not going to feel anything right away from that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Exactly. Yeah, totally. So anything else you want to add? And I think we really went to town on all this stuff. I mean, I think the key thing I want to highlight for everyone listening, if you’re having a lot of issues or hormone issues of detoxification issues, you know, do the foundation’s out of the gates. But if you’re still struggling, you want to reach out to someone like myself, and Evan, so we can help you all out. We’re available worldwide, and Evan’s at EvanBrand com. I’m at, you can click on our schedule buttons, and we can support you and help you during the process. If you need that extra help. We’ve helped thousands of patients together. So we have a lot of experience. And a lot of people have other issues going on, like gut infections, like hormone imbalances, like inflammation issues like other thyroid or autoimmune issues that are part of the issue. And just supporting detoxification by itself won’t be the fix for that. It’s part of a bigger broader plan. Yeah, on the fence. Feel free to reach out guys. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, good point. And some of our mentors that said you really have to kind of market to people for what they think they need, but give them what they truly need. So a woman may say, Oh, I need detox. Okay, so I’m like, Okay, yeah, we can help with that. But hey, guess what, detox is not your number one priority based on these labs, we really need to do this. And as a side effect of working through this, yep, we’ll detox you as well. So, don’t always assume in your head, you’ve got it all figured out. Because there may be a different set or of priorities or a different order of operations. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it’s always interesting when patients come in, and they kind of have an idea what they want. But then the question is, I’m gonna try to give you what you need. And I’ll try to connect the dots. Because if your goal is to get better and address these issues, then we’re totally in alignment, you just may be, you may think this is what you have to do to get there. But as long as you’re open to guidance, then hey, we can adjust that for sure. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s always a fun process. So Justin mention the links I mentioned a moment of time, Dr. J at available online. And me, And that’s it. So we’ll be back next week. take great care. If you have questions, concerns, comments, you know, write us a review and tell us what kind of topics do you do you want us to cover we’re happy to dive into all of it. We live we eat, we breathe this stuff every day, all day. I mean, this is our life. So we’re very passionate and we would love to hear what you want to hear about. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. And we’ll put a link down below under references for products that we specifically use and formulate to help support some of the pathways and the objectives that we chatted about in today’s podcast. So if you want to support the show, you can also purchase those products that which we believe in personally use for ourselves, patients and family. Awesome, everyone. You guys have a phenomenal day. It was great chatting with y’all. Take care now. Take care.

Evan Brand: Bye bye.


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Does Eating Healthy When Stressed Make You Feel Better? | Podcast #315

Eating a healthy diet can reduce the negative effects of stress on your body and a healthy diet builds a solid, more enduring foundation for your body by reducing oxidation and inflammation and by helping to reduce weight gain.  So in this video, we have Dr. J and Evan talking about how we can handle stress while trying to stay fit and healthy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

0:30     Why is it hard to eat healthy?

7:01     Eating unhealthy junk

17:19    Avoid stressing out on eating healthy

25:51    We all have different journey

29:11    Get the momentum

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here today’s podcast is going to be all about is your health making you stressed and anxious? Again, it takes a lot of effort and a lot of energy to be healthy. And we want to make sure that those goals are not making you sick and stress at the same time, Evan, how are we doing today man? 

Evan Brand: Doing awesome. Let’s dive in. First of all, when you say that, why, why does it take so much effort to be healthy? Is it just the modern world, the circumstances, the toxins? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So my first step out of the gates, it’s all about habits, right? It takes no more effort to get what you want than what it does to get what you don’t want. It’s all about pattern of behavior. And so I always tell patients, the first month is typically the hardest because you’re creating new patterns of behavior. So there’s like, there’s four levels of competence, right? There’s the conscious or unconsciously unconfident, meaning you don’t know what you don’t know. You’re just totally clueless right? And then you’re unconsciously or then you’re, you’re, you’re basically unconsciously competent, where you kind of know that you don’t know something, right, you kind of know that you don’t know something. And then you’re consciously competent, where you know it. But you really have to be focused on the habits, choosing the right things, doing the right things. So usually, it’s the unconscious incompetence, these are people we’re not able to help, because they don’t even know there’s a problem. Once they go from unconsciously incompetent to consciously incompetent, they know that they don’t quite have the skills, that’s where we’re able to help them in stage two. And stage two to stage three is the hardest because this is where we go from, you’re consciously competent, you have to focus, you have to think about every little thing you’re doing right. What’s my analogy, anyone that’s driven a standard transmission car, it’s tough, like you’re driving a car, now you’re putting your left foot on the train on the on the clutch, you’re shifting gears, maybe you’re looking down and make sure you don’t go from first to third, right. But at the same time, you still got to fear and keep your eyes on the road. So it becomes this, you may be able to do what you’re grinding the gears, but it’s a lot of stress and you’re consciously competent, that’s kind of where most people are at with their health changes. And then there’s unconscious competence. That’s where we’re at, where we’re literally on cruise control, because we’ve done things thousands of times in regards to the clean filtered water that we’re drinking, eating good healthy proteins and fats, taking supplements, avoiding toxins, using health devices that help improve air quality and water quality and EMF and all the things that we’re doing. It’s unconscious, there’s literally no effort for us to continue to do or very little effort, right? Kind of like driving once you have a stick. It’s like no big deal. You’re like shifting gears, your eyes are on the road, you’re down shifting No problem, right? Is that a good analogy? 

Evan Brand: Yeah, that makes sense. And a lot of people, they get overwhelmed, and then they just give up or they get pressured by their family members or their friends like you and I were talking about before we hit record, oh, just have some gluten. It’s not going to hurt you. You know, I’ve had family members joke like when we’re giving them the salt shaker at the dinner table. They’ll say, Oh, can you pass me some gluten? And they’ll try to like joke, like they’re pouring gluten on their meal. It’s like, Oh, come on. So you know, you get people like that that will try to influence you. And it may be a joke, but sometimes, I want to say weak people. But when I say weak, I mean people that are symptomatic people that are ill. They’ve been trapped in those habits for so long, they may actually fall off the wagon, from Aunt Betty saying, hey, try one of my famous cookies that are loaded with sugar and gluten, they may go for it Betty’s cookie when they know they shouldn’t. But I think number one, I think you have to suffer enough to be able to be more compliant. I don’t know if you agree with that or not. But like for me, I’ve suffered enough to where I don’t feel that I want to make those choices anymore. Like, I know that that case would be so friggin delicious. But I don’t want to pay the price with my skin. I don’t want to pay the price with my gut. So for me, I’ve suffered enough to be able to make the choices easier. But if you’re trying to just convince people just to convince them, I don’t think it’s as powerful.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So yeah, I have a couple of thoughts on those are all valid points Evan. So off the bat, it all depends where you’re starting, right? The healthier you are, the more adaptable you are, right? So the healthier you are, the more adaptation you are, more adaptable you are, the more you can deal with a stress like gluten like sugar, like being off on your diet, like being off on your sleep. So the healthier you are, you may have a little bit more resilience. And then the question comes down to how do you feel after you eat some crappy food? Right? How do you feel? How long does it take you to get back on track the next day? Is it just you’re okay? And that next day? Maybe you’re a little bit of a slow startup but then you’re good? Or does it take a couple of days or a whole week to kind of get back on track, right? So the healthier you are, the more adaptation your body has, the more you could cheat a little bit. Now there’s different levels of cheating is eating a lots of processed sugar and lots of gluten and lots of food allergens that you know you can handle. Now if you don’t have an autoimmune condition, and you aren’t as sensitive in regards to how you feel afterwards, you may be able They get away with that every now and then not that big of a deal. If you have a diagnosed autoimmune condition like myself, I have hashimotos that I’ve totally manage under control, I always try to choose the healthy alternative, you know, I’m always going to go grain free or gluten free, I’m always going to go gluten free over gluten full, if you will, right. So like for we had Thanksgiving last week, we got some squash pies from trophy, true food kitchen that were 100% grain free and like lower sugar, they were great, right? Good, better best. So I always try to make the best quality decision I possibly can. Because I know I have I have immune issues. And I want to prevent my immune system from attacking my body. Now if someone doesn’t have any diagnosed conditions, and they feel great, they may be able to do more of an 80 20 kind of 90 10. I do an 80 20 90 10. But I still keep it to ideally grain free processed foods or at least gluten free processed foods. And if someone isn’t at a stable place in their health or coming to see us during the middle of their functional medicine kind of onramp well, then we got to be a little bit more puritanical. Off, kind of off the the back. So it all depends where you’re at, in the plan that you’re on. 

Evan Brand: Yeah. And even though I’m feeling better, and I could probably get away with more stuff, I just don’t go there. Because I know that I don’t want to say it’s a slippery slope. But I know that if I’m like, Okay, I got away with it once the next week, I may go for it again. And then boom. And then now I’ve got the skin issue again, or now I’ve got the gut issue again. So for me, it’s very easy to stay on track. I don’t feel like I’m missing out. I don’t feel deprived. I think one part of this conversation you you’re titling this, this talk is, you know, being healthy making you anxious or stressed. And I think where people get caught up in it is because they feel like they’re deprived. They look at these other people eating the pizza, and they’re like, well, I want pizza, I’m deprived. This is bullcrap. And then they get stressed that they have to eat their their grass fed steak and sweet potato. But for me, once you feel so good, it’s not a diet of deprivation. Would you agree? This is not a diet where you feel like you’re missing out? I don’t feel like I’m missing out on anything.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, anytime you’re dealing with, you know, eating a bunch of crappy food, you have to look at why. Okay? So in general, a lot of times neurotransmitters play a big role. So a lot of people use a big big whack of sugar to artificially boost serotonin and dopamine. And that we call that emotional eating, they’re using a lot of the sugar to get that under control. So with myself, um, if I cheat on anything, it’s going to be like the Unreal, coconut dark chocolate, it’s going to be my keto cups, like, Is it really a cheat? Probably not. There’s barely any sugar in it. But it still gives me that mouthfeel. And not that sense of cheating. Like, like, I’m really eating a whole bunch of bad foods, but it feels good. It feels like a cheat, it feels like a treat, so to speak. So we always try to choose the highest quality one, we try to choose the lowest quality or the highest quality nutrition like good fats, right, avoiding the trans fats good, lower sugar amounts, I try to do more of the organic coconut palm versus, you know, the high fructose corn syrup, maybe with some mercury in there. So we try to choose the better quality types. And how do you feel afterwards, a lot of people, they don’t really look at how they’re going to feel afterwards. So if you’re really bloating, you’re gassy and your skin breaks out and it lasts a week. Like if I have a skin breakout that lasts a week, I am like heck no not worth it. So I’m always gonna, you’re always playing damage control, you’re always making calculated assessments. So when you make a decision to engage in desserts and treats for the holidays, we’re going to be choosing the healthiest quality, the lowest sugar, but still have a great time like Well, my kids, we went trick or treating, what happened afterwards? Well, trick or treating bad with all the candy went away, we actually gave it to the fire station. And then we I got some of the Justin’s high quality dark chocolate peanut butter cups and some of the Unreal, dark chocolate with a little bit of coconut in there. And that was their substitute. And so they got one or one or two every now and then. And it was low sugar, good fats, the fats are important because it stabilizes blood sugar, prevents cravings and swings and actually makes them a little bit satiated afterwards. And we’ll give it to them after a dinner. So we’re not creating this blood sugar rollercoaster of eating sugar by itself. And so we’d always just make these really good calculated substitute because I want to give my kids and myself a chance to enjoy life or have a childhood or do things that are really, you know, they’re like special, but with that with kind of mitigating the the side effects, if you will. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s a great point. And I think it’s easier if the whole family can get on board, like you mentioned, you’re doing this with your kids. So if you got the husband or the wife that’s not on board, that’s going to be really tough. I don’t know if I have many other solutions besides wait until that person is symptomatic enough to get to get on board because they’re really not going to do it just out of choice unless they’re just a very, very supportive spouse and Wow, good job, you’ve got a keeper. But in most cases, like I said, it’s the husband or the wife making fun of the other one, like I’m going to drink the beer, eat the pizza and do the wine or whatever. And you’re going to just go eat your your AIP diet. So try to get family members on board. That’s the best advice I can do because Then it gets exhausting man, you’ve got the husband and the wife cooking double meals, right? They’re making the unhealthy meal, and then they’re making the healthy meal. And then you got double the cleanup. So just from a sustainability standpoint, it’s just really best if you can get everyone the kids on board too, because you don’t want Mom, I had one lady, this is gonna sound crazy, maybe not to you, but maybe to others. We had a lady with hashimotos, where we had determined that the reason that she was having flares is because she was touching the bread making her children sandwiches every day, and that she was basically holding it and there was some kind of like a gluten skin reaction, transdermal kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. And so we got her Ah, well, they hit well just quit making sandwiches, or at least go like a grain free bread, if you can find it. And luckily, the antibodies went down just by changing that, because she was already AIP with her diet. And we’re like, Well, why are the antibodies continuing to rise? The thyroid, we worked on the gut. And typically that would help but it didn’t help and then boom, we figured out it was lady making sandwiches. So in her case, it actually benefited her to help her kids as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, most of my patients is the women are tend to be on point, they tend to be 100% on point and to be a little bit more in tune with their health. Also, I think they tend to be a little bit more, let’s just say not supported by conventional medicine, right? Women have hormonal issues, what are they given me, if they’re cycling ages, birth control pills, right, the people are getting a little bit more cutting edge with hormones as they get into menopausal age, but they were doing horse hormones for the longest time and they weren’t fixing any of these underlying issues. And they were just throwing medications that are antidepressants at it. And they kind of most women intuitively knew that something was wrong. Now my other kinds of patients are like my, my, my my guys that are great. They’re like the biohackers. They’re like the guys that are like optimizing cell performance. They’re trying to really get their their level their RPM or performance to a higher level. Those are my two like great patient, my women patients that are really know something’s up and want to dive in deeper, and that my guys that are more on the biohacking side and kind of optimizing performance, they kind of know something is up. Now, when I make recommendations for patients, you got to really get focused on the performance aspect. Like you got to feel that people have this satisfaction, feeling of like their mouth and their taste and all that stuff. That’s a hard feeling to overcome, right? It’s always pain versus pleasure. So you really have to link up a lot of pleasure from the performance that you get from eating great food, whether that is clean skin, whether it’s all day energy, whether it’s good sleep, whether it’s good libido and mood, you really have to internalize the performance enhancements that you get. Now, the more adaptable you get, you can still keep those benefits while you cheat a little bit. Now we just choose the healthiest cheat possible, I already gave you a couple of options. What I do, you can do it going out to eat, you can do it going to steak houses, all kinds of good things you can do when you go to a nice restaurant with steak and vegetables, or if he goes to sushi will avoid the soy sauce. And we’ll do MCT oil and coconut aminos. Right. There’s a lot of substitutes we’re always doing. And it’s hard out of the gates because it’s stressful. But once you kind of make a habit out of it, you kind of have all of those go to substitutes there at your fingertips. Do you have any things that you do, Evan that, you know, maybe a treat for you, but it’s you know, a really good go to? 

Evan Brand: Yeah, well in terms of drinks, you know, I think that’s a big one, right? Just getting people off of sugary drinks. So Suja I think’s done a great job with all of their green juices. They have one I want to say it’s called like skin beauty or something. I don’t have the label in front of me. But for me in terms of beverages, I mean, I’m typically doing herbal teas, chamomile, ginger, peppermint tea, and then good clean filtered water. That’s about it. I know you’re super into the total Chico’s and some of the other mineral waters, carbonated waters. Those are great. But for me, I think it’s called beauty scan or scan beauty something anyway. Suja makes it it’s a whole foods. It’s like maybe four grams of sugar, but it’s like lychee juice and blueberry juice. Man, if I just get something like that. It’s a treat for me. And it may have a little bit of stevia or monk fruit in there. Something like that is great for my wife. You know, she had previously used like, you know, we’re talking 10 years ago, she had previously use some of the coffee creamers. I know people really do a lot of sugar in those. They’ll say oh, I only you know this coffee creamer is only two grams of sugar but it’s a gap but you’re putting like frickin five tablespoons. You’re just pouring it in. So for her. She really loves the rebel like the mushroom. Coffee blend.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I like that one.

Evan Brand: Yeah, like the coffee with the mushrooms and I think it has coconut milk and stevia. So it’s basically a no sugar. So for us. Those are kind of our treats that make her feel like she’s still getting a good creamy sweet coffee without sugar. And then for me, you know, I used to love as a kid and a teenager man. I love soda. I mean Sunkist and Mountain Dew. I mean, I was into all the garbage for me now if I have that lychee juice, man, it tastes like candy. But it’s Yeah, my palates change. That’s the thing. The palate has evolved for us. So like you mentioned the treats your level of treat like you I think you and I’ve talked about blueberries you’ve done I think you said you’ve done frozen blueberries with like whipped cream and that’s a treat for you. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s like a dessert and a cream is great is awesome. Do it, it’s a coconut yogurt, it’s all about, okay, you know, try to do the right thing 80% of the time, right. And then a lot of the treats that we do is, it may still be part of the right thing, right? If we’re doing some almond butter, if you can tolerate knots and Granny Smith, apple and cinnamon, or if you can do some, some blueberries and some coconut cream, those still may be healthy things, right. So the cool thing is if we can choose healthy treats, that that feel like a treat tastes like a treat, but still healthy. That’s a win win, because then you can do that more frequently. And that’s kind of a it mixes up the monotony of your routine. And then of course, if we’re going to go and cheat a little bit, you know, when I go to a restaurant, what’s my go to? Well, I’ll get like a really nice, homemade, though a couple of restaurants, I go to their steak houses, they’ll make a nice ice cream that’s kind of a sorbet. Or it’s kind of coconut base, that those are really wonderful and tasty. Or I went to Truffaut kitchen and got a squash pie, which was wonderful. Or like a coconut, like is a restaurant down in Austin called Picnic. They have some wonderful autoimmune dessert recipes that are excellent. So you can try to always mitigate a little bit. And then if you something that’s really special, I don’t know your grandmother makes up especially around the holidays, and it’s worth the treat. Well, that’s fine. You’ve earned it, as long as you can deal with the side effects afterwards. And ideally, we don’t have an autoimmune condition with active antibodies that could be attacking your body. And it’s probably okay. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, very, very good. And then of course, we’ve mentioned the enzymes before too. So you’re gonna go get your grandma’s secret recipe, you know, there’s probably wheat and other crap in there, you may just want to do your enzyme, right? So like you and I both manufacture professional enzymes. So if you’re working with us, you’re probably already taking those but that’d be a good, that’d be a good strategy. Oh, you know, another treat for us I just started making these recently, is to take the CFA, the soft tortillas, and make like a [inaudible] out of it. So you do like a little bit of coconut oil, or you could just do butter if you want. And then just kind of put it in a pan for 1015 seconds, heat up the tortilla, and then just a little bit of coconut sugar and cinnamon on it. Oh my god. It tastes like when I was a kid, I’d go to the county fair and go eat the what was it the funnel cake or the elephant ear? Like that wheat Yep, thing with a bunch of powdered sugar on it. Oh my god, I love that I know. But this little, you know, the grain free tortilla with the coconut sugar and sentiment, man things delicious. That’s a treat. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and so you can mitigate. So number one, don’t feel stressed about being healthy. Just kind of know that first month, the two months is the hardest. If you’re coming in to, you know, this new healthy lifestyle and habits with a lot of symptoms. Don’t worry about cheating, worried put your focus on developing habits, right? Many people, they go into this place in their head of like, Oh my god, like, I’m not going to ever be able to eat this again. It’s like a divorce. It’s like a breakup, it’s like they’re literally grieving the loss of this food I’ll never eat again, don’t go into it like that go into it with the mindset of Hey, I’m going to focus on eating nutrient dense anti inflammatory, low toxin foods, so I can decrease inflammation in my body, accelerate healing and feel awesome. And then once you’re at a good level where you’ve kind of plateaued, and you work through some of the programs that we’re on with hormones and gut and your digestion is better, then we can start adding foods back in. And we’re always going to choose the healthiest treat options and the healthiest foods first. And then if your optimal health stays at that great level, then we can you know, if you want to go off the beaten path, here or there, you know, 80 20, 90 10, 95 5, and you’re able to maintain your benefits and it doesn’t take you too long to get back on track. That’s fine as the book out there called the Four Hour Body by Tim Ferriss. And Tim Ferriss talks about a cheat day eating, we’re at whatever you want for a whole day. That is I’m sorry for most people, it’s a terrible idea. Because they go have a cheat day on Sunday, and they’re so inflamed. It takes till Thursday, the next week to get back into homeostasis. That’s a problem. – go ahead and go ahead. 

Evan Brand: Let me interject because I think that you may even be underplaying how bad of an idea that is because you and I’ve seen just by looking at thousands of people on test results, we’ve seen you know, gluten antibodies and other antibodies go up for potentially months after certain exposures like that. So you’re mentioning possibly a week to reset it could even be months. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you have an active autoimmune thyroid issue or active autoimmune issue it could be now you can get your thyroid looked at, you could always do an Array Phi by Cyrax, to look at other silent antibodies that could be there. But if your health is great, and you feel great, and you know you can kind of get back on track the next day, all right, fine, but try to always choose a grain free option for most of your stuff, at least gluten free for most of it. But yeah, so my whole thing is how do you know something’s worth it? You should be able to get back on track that next day, if you’re not back on track the next day, that’s a problem. Now, Evan, you already alluded to what what if those antibodies popped up and we don’t know about it, so if you have an active thyroid autoimmune issue, you really Really want to be testing those antibodies or that ANA, or those autoimmune markers? If you have lupus or sjogren, or something kind of under the surface? I would say really choose the healthiest cheat possible. It’s just not worth it when tissues being destroyed. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah. Well said and, you know, for me, we’d like to leverage the lab testing and show like, look how good you’ve done. Look, we’ve got your dopamine back to normal. You mentioned neurotransmitters early on, look, we’ve got serotonin normalized. Now, doesn’t that feel good look at your calprotectin in your gut, we’ve got your inflammation down 1000 points, look at your Secretory IGA that’s starting to come back up because you’re removing the foods irritating the gut. Look at some of these infections, we’ve cleared out because you’re not using the sugar to feed the Candida and to feed the other pathogens. So when we use the functional medicine testing, plus just kind of our pep talks and motivation we give to people it’s a really good one two punch that keeps people on a sustainable path forever. And it really is a lifestyle. You know, we talked about, oh, this is a lifestyle. It’s easy to embrace once you feel good. So I agree with you, you got to focus on Hey, do you want to feel amazing? And then some people will ask the same thing with supplements, right? They’ll ask the same question about diet as they do supplements. How long do I have to do this? on their diet? And I’m like, well, and this might always punch back with as well. Do you want to survive? Or do you want to thrive? Well, obviously I want to thrive. Okay, well then do it forever. Okay, that was easy. So for me, that’s the that’s the default answer. Like when someone’s like, well, how long do I need to dial in my diet? I mean, as long as you want to feel amazing is the answer. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, tell patients out of the gates, you may have to be more puritanical. Because you’re trying to make up for lost time. It’s kind of like, if you’re in debt, from decades of poor spending habits, well, we’re gonna have to kind of get you on a really lean budget, and you’re gonna have to be investing and saving a large percent of what you make. Now as you get on top of that, and you’re debt free. And, and you’re feeling great. And now you’re making investments. And now you’re on your way to financial freedom, you can be a little bit more loosey goosey with your spending, right, it’s kind of the same thing with your health, just change the the the money equation to health. And it’s the exact same thing. And so we always try to look at getting momentum getting you on top of your health, reaching the level of conscious competence to unconscious competence, where it’s automatic, because the stress that people feel in that first month or two is just the fact they haven’t made a habit yet. And so if you want to live a healthy lifestyle, you have to make you have to let your brain and your physiology shift into unconscious competence. If you’re quitting before you get there, you’re you’re doing yourself a disservice. Because the amount of energy if you’re thinking, well, it takes me too much energy to do these things. It’s because you’re not in unconscious competence yet, and you will be there just give it a little more time people project their energy is going to be on this conscious competence wavelength the whole life, meaning the amount of energy they have to focus in and project has that will be at that level, but it won’t, it’ll get easier once you make that shift to unconscious competence. Totally, totally. It’s so easy, it’s so much, it’s easy, it’s easier for me to stay on the rails than it is to go off the rails like I would have to be, it would take me effort to go off the rails, I’d have to like seek out bad things like what could I do to try to test myself or destroy myself so it’s a good place to be 100% so out of the gates, we kind of talked about it you know where you’re at, if you’re not a mean person, and you have active issues or active things going on that are significant. Do the right thing, do the right thing be on point get momentum, get your symptoms on hundred percent under control, look deeper under the hood regarding hormones regarding everything else that’s happening in your body. Work with a good functional medicine practitioner and get your blood sugar, get dysglycemia under control, get inflammation, nutrient density, get toxins under control. That means going organic, clean, filtered water, all that good stuff, hormone free, antibiotic free, get your hormone stabilized and worked on whether it’s blood sugar, thyroid, female or male hormones, and then get your gut looked at because the healthiest food. We’ve kind of alluded to it. If you can’t digest it or break it down or absorb it properly, because of stress in the gut, you’re going to have a problem. So of course the next thing is we’re assuming that because you’re eating good foods, you’re breaking it down. The next step is going to be working on the gut. And so we don’t want foods that are full of inflammatory food allergens affecting your gut if it’s not stable yet. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, my diet was great, but I had gut infection so my skin was crap. So for me, I put in all the work on the diet and I got frustrated because I thought well, I’ve got rid of gluten I’ve got rid of dairy What is wrong with me? And then luckily the functional medicine testing came in and kind of uncovered some stuff so if you’re more dialed in, you’re still struggling then you know look deeper. And so if you want to reach out to Justin you can do so clinically at his website, That’s Dr. J at Me Evan Brand at we work with people over the phone, Skype, Zoom FaceTime, however we need to connect we send the labs to your door. You send those back to the lab, we jump on a follow up call to discuss the results and make a protocol. It’s very, very awesome. And with everything that’s been going on, it’s funny that telemedicine has gotten, you know, 10 x more popular. So it’s really cool that we were actually ahead of this curve. We’ve been doing this this way the whole time. So feel free to reach out and we look forward to helping you. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. So you guys know where to reach out. And just remember to start with one thing, like, if you’re coming into this journey, I find a lot of people who aren’t doing the right thing, if you’re around them, and you start, you know, being on point and making health changes, sometimes there’s this subconscious pull to pull you down, because you making the changes to improve your health sometimes magnifies their inability or lack thereof to make changes in their life. And sometimes they may sabotage you and pull you down. It’s a threat. Yeah. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, you’re saying that you’re saying that by you trying to better yourself, you may piss off other people, and then they’re going to try to come bring you down with them and their misery just eat the cookie. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and everyone’s on a different journey. So if you’re the autoimmune person, and you need to really be on point, because you’re starting this journey, and maybe they’re a little bit more stable, and healthy, you know, it may not even be something where they’re unhealthy and may just be there at a different place than you and they want to indulge this Saturday night, and you aren’t quite there. And that’s okay, you know, you just got to meet and support people where they’re at. And that’s, that’s a good thing to be at. So it’s good to have empathy. And it’s good to understand that we’re all in different places. And some people may not have even gotten out of the gate yet. They may be at that unconscious incompetence. They don’t know there’s even a problem yet. And so we just try to always meet people where they’re at, provide empathy, and understanding from where they’re at. 

Evan Brand: Very true. Very true. One last story. So I had a woman. Actually, though, the husband and wife were both working with me and the woman just love baking. I hear the story a lot. The woman loves baking. And so like every Friday, she would make brownies or cookies or cake or something, right? She’s always baking some sweet thing. And then she only wants to eat a piece of it. And then she leaves it left for her husband. And if he tries to throw it away, then she’s like, no, you’re wasting it. You’re wasting our money. You’re wasting it right. So then he feels up, which I don’t know, maybe this is his excuse, maybe not. I’m just sharing the story. I’m just the messenger boy. So he comes in and he goes, Well, she’ll get mad at me if I don’t eat the whole cake. I’m like, Oh, that’s what it is. So you have to eat the whole cake. So she doesn’t get mad at you. Okay, interesting. So now we’re trying to switch her over to, you know, almond flowers and coconut flowers and whatever. So we’re just working better option. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. 

Evan Brand: So we’re just working with them on where they’re at. But it’s funny. He blames her right? Oh, she’ll get mad if I don’t eat the whole cake. It’s like that’s a good excuse right there. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we I mean, you got to take accountability. It’s not a valid excuse in the long run, right? You get two people in there and you got to get one to agree. All right, we got to stop this. That’s not good behavior. But yeah, I totally get it. And so outside of that there’s some really good autoimmune dessert recipes and treat recipes and my go to or some of the Unreal or Justin’s dark chocolate brands are pretty good. Or some of the endangered species dark chocolate or just some just some of the berries and coconut yogurt or maybe a hail mary tart, or I’ll just choose something that’s like a baked Apple, like my paleo apple crisp is a really good one. I just I have a couple of go twos. I tend to repeat that work pretty darn well. I know you did the waffles in the morning, which is kind of a nice treat. I’ll do that the keto birch benders waffles. Is there any other go twos that you do? They’re kind of a treat for you but still relatively healthy.

Yeah, yeah. You mentioned SWAPO Yeah, they’re swap foods is the brand of like a waffle but they’re Yuka those are delicious. And then you mentioned earlier the keto cups that’s evolved I think company and then I also like the keto bars there are keto bars that perfect keto makes. Yep. Anthony. He’s a Chiro who makes those are good. Those are like stevia, monk fruit, I believe. And those are like organic almonds or organic cashews. Those are good. I’ve done some of Dave’s bars, the bulletproof bars, with the MCT and organic cashews, those are pretty good depending on if you could do nuts or not. So those are some good treats that are easy and quick. And then also, bison. I like to do some of the epic bison meats like the bison bites, or Tonka makes really good bison meat. So I’ll do those or venison jerky or something like that. 

Yeah, and one last thing is for patients or people listening, try to get momentum out of the gate. So really start your first two meals of the day solid, good protein, good fats get momentum. That makes a big difference. If you’re coming out of the gates with crappy food. In the morning, a Starbucks mocha frappuccino with a whole bunch of sugar, a crappy lunch, it’s hard to get on top of your day, from a physiological hormone, anti inflammatory support, it’s really hard. So get momentum out of the gate. It’s kind of like starting a race and you just kind of get out of the starting block at a walking speed that you got to sprint out of that walking out of that starting block. Right. Same thing with your health. So start your day with good habits, right whether it’s a cold shower, or whether it’s clean, filtered water or some minerals, some good protein, some good fat or if you’re healthy enough, maybe intermittent fasting again, people that aren’t healthy I think they need they need nutrition in the morning they don’t need nothing in the morning the healthier you are the more fasting I think provides a beneficial effect just like exercising really hard can be beneficial if you’re already fit right kind of like that. So that’s kind of where I’m at. I think you put some really good points out there for Evan reach out virtually worldwide for support for Dr. J myself. We are here for y’all. And you guys have a phenomenal day. Take care y’all.


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The Top 5 Causes of Chronic Headaches

Today we are going to be talking about the top underlying reasons why you may be having a chronic headache. I had a patient come in today who had headaches for 25 years, monthly and chronically, and we were able to get to the root cause and there are many different root causes for every person. Let me lay out the common ones that I find to be a major vector of my patients.

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So we have headaches and head pain or migraines where you kind of have that aura and sound sensitivity. There are a couple of different major reasons why headaches may happen.

1. Food Allergens

Most common food allergy is gluten and dairy. There are some studies on gluten affecting blood flow up to the brain. We have these garden hoses on the side of our neck called our carotid arteries. When we have inflammation especially caused by gluten that can decrease blood flow and blood profusion to the frontal cortex, and when you have less blood, you’re going to have decreased performance of the brain. You can see that manifesting in a headache. People don’t know but headaches are actually an issue with vasodilation in the brain.  Caffeine can help as caffeine actually causes constriction and brain’s typical headache signal is caused by vasodilation.

2. Food Additives.

These could be things like MSG, aspartame, Splenda or various artificial colors and dyes.

3. Blood Sugar Fluctuation.

We want to have healthy proteins and healthy fats with every meal. If we skip meals or we eat foods that are too high in carbohydrates and refined “crapohydrates” and sugar, and not enough fats and proteins, our blood sugar can go up and then drop. This is called reactive hypoglycemia. We react by putting a whole bunch of sugar in our bloodstream because all of these carbohydrate sources break down into sugar — processed sugar, grains, flours and acellular carbohydrates. These type of flours and refined processed carbs get converted to glucose in our bloodstream. When glucose goes up, our pancreas goes, “Holy smokes! We got a lot of glucose there. We got to pull it into the cell.” It spits out a whole bunch of insulin and pulls that glucose right down, and we have his blood sugar going up with a lot of insulin driving that blood sugar back down. When that blood sugar goes back down, this is where we have cravings.  This is where we have addictions, mood issues, energy issues, jitteriness, and cognitive issues. Our body makes adrenaline and cortisol to bring that blood sugar back up. Most people literally live on this high insulin where they are making fat, storing fat and engaging in lipogenesis which makes us tired. Then blood sugar crashes which makes people jittery, anxious, and moody. Most people live on this reactive hypoglycemia rollercoaster and that can drive headaches.

4. Gut Infections.

Patients with a lot of gut inflammation, gut permeability, and infections whether it’s H. pylori, SIBO (small intestinal, bacterial overgrowth) or fungal overgrowth have gut stressors can create inflammation in the gut. When we have inflammation in the gut, we have gut permeability. So our tight junctions in our intestines start to open up and undigested bacteria, lipopolysaccharides, food particles can slip through and create an immune response. You can see histamine along with that immune response and histamine can create headache issues.

5. Hormonal Issue.

A woman’s cycle is about 28 days and in the middle is ovulation. Some women have it during ovulation and most have it right at the end just before they menstruate. This is called premenstrual syndrome that is right before menstruation. A lot of women may also have it during menstruation, too. What happens is progesterone can drop out early and that drop in progesterone can actually cause headache manifestations and also the aberrations in estrogen can also cause headaches as well. We may also see it with excessive bleeding too. So if you’re bleeding a lot or too much, what may happen is you may lose iron and that low iron may cause oxygenation issues.  That low level of oxygen may also cause some headache issues as well.  Because if you can’t carry oxygen, that is going to be a stressed-out situation for your mitochondria and your metabolism. For menopausal women who have chronically low hormones and they’re not in an optimal place, that can create issues. Progesterone and estrogen can be very anti-inflammatory. So if there is inflammation in the brain, progesterone is a powerful anti-inflammatory and that can really help a lot of inflammation in the brain.

If you have any questions about headaches, please reach out to a functional medicine doctor to find a way to fix your issue.

How To Treat Toenail Fungus or Discoloration


How To Treat Toenail Fungus or Discoloration

Let’s go into like the most common things that you would see or hear of with complaints regarding nails. The biggest one is going to be toe fungus under the nail bed where it’s going to be a yellow or just a fungal-infected toenail.

Why Should We Address Gut Issues?

If it’s on the toenail, there’s definitely implications that it could be in the gut. The problem is you can address the gut a lot of times but that’s not going to be enough to address the toenails well. Just because the time you put herbs into the gut or whatever time it gets into the bloodstream, makes its way all the way down to your toe. Unless it’s a very minor fungal infection, most of the time you’re gonna need to hit it topically because your immune system and all these antifungals take a long time to get to the outer periphery of where this fungus is located. So in general, we should address the gut and then we should also address it topically on the nail. So we’ve got to hit it from both ends, inside and outside, to kind of put that fungus between a rock in a hard place.

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How To Treat Toenail Fungus or Discoloration

How Fungus is Treated Conventionally

Let’s just say you go to your foot doctor or your podiatrist and you say, “Hey, I’ve got a fungal infection on my toe.” They’re going to end up giving you Lamisil or some other type of a prescription or over-the-counter antifungal. But to me, I think that’s a shortsighted approach because that toenail is not having that infection for no reason.

How To Treat Toenail Fungus or Discoloration

How Fungus is Treated Functionally

If it’s really bad, you definitely want to be addressing your diet because a lot of the fungus or yeast, which is primarily that yellow-discolored nail is going to be fungus in that area.

  • You got to stop what’s feeding it. Look at the diet and stop feeding it all the refined carbohydrates.
  • You want to address the gut issues to begin with. The Candida, which is a kind of yeast or fungus, whether it’s Microsporidia Rhodotorula. You want to address and knock down some of these yeasts. More than likely we’re going to topically hit it as well.
  • Some of the Lamisil or the other medications that are antifungals are very hard on the liver. So if you’re going to go that way, definitely take some herbs like milk thistle and take some extra glutathione to help support and tonify the liver if you’re going to go that way.

How To Treat Toenail Fungus or Discoloration

Alternative Treatments for Toe Fungus 

  1. Topically, we can use things like Melaleuca or tea tree and/or oil of oregano and topically rub it on the nail.
  2. We can also do a fungal soak as well. The fungal soaks work phenomenal. There’s a herbal concoction that you mix it with apple cider vinegar which works amazing. You can do that and then topically rub something on after you soak your feet for 5 or 10 minutes. Some people they’ll just do the topical nail as well. I like doing the whole foot. That way if there’s any fungus between the toes or in the heel or wherever in the skin, you kind of get all of it versus just some of it. So nail fungal soak with also topically hitting the nail as well.

Anything that we can do to reduce that process of AGEing — the advanced glycation enzyme process — is also going to be one of the critical steps to this. The less stress in your body, the better. Nail fungus is really unique because once you fix a lot of the root cause stuff, that may not go away. So you gotta really topically hit it as well.

If you have any questions about toenail fungus and discoloration, please reach out to a functional medicine doctor and learn how to treat this condition.

Mitochondrial Dysfunction & Other Causes of Chronic Fatigue- Mold & Candida Contribute | Podcast #287

Welcome to another episode of Beyond Wellness Podcast! For this episode, Dr. J and Evan Brand talk about chronic fatigue, which is a disorder characterized by extreme tiredness that doesn’t go away with rest. Because sometimes, chronic fatigue can also be associated with mold issues, Candida and etc. Check this podcast out. Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

1:06     Mitochondria

8:26    Toxins that damage Mitochondria

14:40   Mold Issues

22:22   How Mold and Candida affect Mitochondria

31:05   Nutrients and Vitamins

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live. It’s Dr. J here in the house with Evan brand. Today we’re going to be chatting about chronic fatigue, mold issues and other different causes that could drive chronic fatigue. Evan, how are we doing today? 

Evan Brand: I’m doing really well. We’ve got just a couple of papers on this. And we don’t really more than that, because we have so much experience now ever since I had my issues. And you and I started digging into this. It’s like you and I jumped into the mold whirlwind over the past few years together. And it’s been really fun learning and educating people simultaneously. We’ve implemented stuff in our houses that have been game changers for us. We’ve implemented stuff clinically, that have been game changers for others, but I believe this is one of the biggest triggers of chronic fatigue is mycotoxins and I experienced it personally and so I can tell you my own issue, I was exhausted and I’m still recovering from that and your exercise intolerance goes down and a lot of that has to do with the mitochondrial damage to happen. So could you just give us maybe like mitochondria 101 What like, how do they help people? Why are they so important? What happens when they get damaged and all that? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so your mitochondria, they exist inside of yourself, okay? And it’s going to generate ATP. And part of you know, so you have glycolysis, right? That’s going to be outside the cell where you’re kind of taking glucose generating energy. And then you have the Krebs cycle where you’re spitting out different amounts of hydrogen and ATP. And those hydrogens then now go into so you have these things called reducing agents, called FADHNAD and they gather up hydrogens, okay? And then these hydrogens, right, they enter the electron transport chain, they generate more ATP. So you have glycolysis to the Krebs cycle, right, or citric acid cycle, same thing. And then we have from there into the electron transport chain. And this is where we start to enter the mitochondria. And we need things like carnitine to help shuttle fat into the mitochondria. We need B1 B2 to help with fatty acid oxidation in the mitochondria, it’s part of how the mitochondria burns fuel to run the Krebs cycle and to get the electron transport chain set up we need B vitamins, we need magnesium we need carnitine like I already mentioned before, we need creatine we can use things like ribose we can use things like co q 10. These are all really really important nutrients that fuel these different metabolic pathways obviously, intermediary nutrients like Fumarate and malate and succinate. And then different amino acids are involved with the electron transport chain and or the citric acid cycle, Krebs cycle the leading up to it. So all of these pathways, they roll and they really help generate energy and generate ATP, which is that energetic fuel source. 

Evan Brand: And there’s a really good picture of the citric acid cycle some of the stuff that that you and I’ve learned from some of our books and study so we may be able to put that up in the shownotes to where people just want to download it look at it, I think it’s kind of cool because you could look at it and you could just quickly learn all the different nutrients that fuel each part of the cycle. So then I don’t want to say you could spot treat but for lack of a better word, you could kind of spot treat and go, Oh, magnesium, boom, I might be missing that be six. Oh, I might be missing that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% Yep. 100%. I’m gonna try to pull up a good picture for everyone to see here. So they can kind of wrap their head around it. A picture’s worth 1000 words. So if you guys can kind of understand the concept. I think that makes it a lot easier. I’ll pull that up here in a minute. Okay. All right, cool. Anything else you wanted to highlight on that before we dive in a little bit more? 

Evan Brand: Well, you mentioned a bunch of different nutrients. And so I think the most important part to pay attention to is that today we’re focusing kind of zoomed in. But you mentioned a lot of stuff that people could be deficient in for other reasons that we might not cover today. So parasite infections, bacterial overgrowth, any kind of dysbiosis. That’s not allowing the gut bacteria to produce some of these nutrients that may be involved. But that’s not the highlight of the show today. Today we’re focusing on other triggers and other causes. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110%. Exactly. Very good. So of course, the first thing is we have things that enter the mitochondria. And that major nutrient, that major compound that’s going to enter that mitochondria is going to be acetyl co a, and acetyl. co a is made from fats, carbs and proteins. So the first thing I always tell people is we have to make sure we can digest and break down our fats, carbs and proteins. And we have to make sure we have good proteins, good fats, primarily carbohydrates. You know, of course, if you’re more active, you know, you can always do more safe starches and make sure you’re not doing too many grains and an inflammatory refined sugar. But we need good fats, we need good proteins because that performs and creates a really good building block for that acetyl. co a, and we need that for really, really, really good mitochondrial production. 

Evan Brand: Yep. Let’s dive into this study. This is really cool. One of my favorites, this guy, Dr. Brewer-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you don’t mind, I want to just hit one more thing. Just I want to set the table a little bit more for the listeners. Okay, let me just do this here real quick. All right. This is a really, really good picture. Can you see that on my screen yet?

Evan Brand: Yep, there it is. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay, good. This gives you a pretty good idea. So the mitochondria is kind of the powerhouse of the cell. All right. And so when you look at energy, we first have the cytosol that’s outside of the cell. This is glucose. Glucose comes in glycolysis means breaking down glucose. glyco means glucose. And then license means breaking down. So we generate a little bit of energy here, ATP from glycolysis. Okay, then that then that little bit of energy then moves into the mitochondria. So this is the mitochondria here right now. So we have acetylcholine, acetylcholine then starts going into the Krebs cycle, that Krebs cycles in a turn twice and it’s typically forget exactly, I think it’s two to three NADH or going to be spit out for one fa, d h2. And this is going to turn around twice. And then these different electrons, these hydrogens that are collected from the Krebs cycle, the NADH and the FA, d h 22 to 3, NADH, one fA d h two going to enter the electron transport chain, and then more ATP is then created. So I want to say it’s like 36 to 39 ATP are created from glucose to Krebs cycle to electron transport chain, and I want to say it’s two or three for glucose. Like Allah says two or three for the Krebs cycle, maybe six for the Krebs cycle. And the electron transport chain is the majority where it happens. I want to say 33 or so I want to say it’s about 36 to 39 total ATP, per this whole thing and this is a mitochondria right here. So all most of this stuff happens in the mitochondria and then some of it happens outside in the cytosol. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s what I was going to ask you. So if someone has major mitochondrial issues according to this picture, it looks like you would still be able to generate some, but it’s going to be a minimal amount of ATP created from glycolysis. Is that true? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct and then glycolysis is going to be dirty fuel right? So you’re going to get a lot more oxidative stress because of the advanced glycation end products that occur when you start making a lot of sugar right? A lot of sugar you coat your proteins right this increases oxidation oxidation and and then require more electrons to stabilize because when you when you oxidize something, right, think of cutting open an avocado, and it browns right or think about cutting open an apple and it browns, you’re losing electrons. That’s what’s happening there. Now you can easily go take a nice lemon or lime and squeeze the vitamin C from that on there, and that will prevent it from oxidizing. So the difference in your body is going to require a lot more antioxidant reserves. If you start creating a lot of oxidative stress, so glucose always burns dirty, okay, and there’s a really good book by Kristofferson called ‘Tripping Over the Truth’. And it’s a book all about mitochondria in glucose and cancer. So there’s a lot of data on this stuff already. So it’s really important to know that’s why we want to be more fat burners, good proteins and you can get carbs, you know, according to your metabolic needs. If you’re more active and, and you’re healthy, healthier and more fit and more lean and more active, then you can definitely add in some good high quality safe starches, but you really want to dial that in according to your metabolic needs. It’s not a set kind of size for everyone. 

Evan Brand: Very cool. Thanks for the picture. That’s awesome to see. So where do the toxins come into the picture? Well, the toxins are going to damage the mitochondria. So as you showed here, you can make some energy outside of the mitochondria. So you can still quote get by, but you may be exhausted if that Krebs cycle isn’t working properly due to potentially some of those nutrient deficiencies you covered that could be fueling the Krebs cycle. Maybe you’ve got infections or malabsorption issues going on. But we know that mold toxin damages the mitochondria law as well and actually sent you another paper in the notes if you wanted to look at it. It’s called mycotoxin its impact on gut health and microbiota. And this is pretty cool, because the end of this paper discusses that if you have good intestinal flora, they say here, it’s now well established that a healthy gut microbiota is largely responsible for the overall health of the host findings revealed that gut microbiota is capable of eliminating mycotoxin from the host naturally, provided that the host is healthy with a balance of good gut bugs. So long story short, and there’s a cool picture on that paper to just I don’t know if you can pull it up, but it’s called frontiers, cellular infection, microbiology, it’s a really cool picture of the gut and it just shows on the right that you’ve got all these different infections, like helicobacter, you’ve got E. coli, you’ve got reduction of beneficial bacteria, and therefore, the mycotoxins are not going to get treated as they should. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, I see that right here. Yep. So on that you see a whole lot bunch of decrease in good beneficial bacteria. I can share it right real quick here with y’all. You can see a decrease in a lot of your beneficial floor right here, man, you don’t see an increase in a lot of the pathogenic floor right here. And then of course, you have lipid polysaccharides. These are going to be your endotoxin that are the outer coating of the bad Gram negative bacteria. And then of course, you have more than mycotoxins. And of course, that’s going to stress out the microbiome stress out the immune system is going to increase gut permeability. The more gut more your gut is permeable, aka leaky gut, the more immune stress you’re going to have, because now your immune system is interacting with compounds and toxins that normally wouldn’t Is that correct? 

Evan Brand: Yep, that makes perfect sense. And this makes sense of why probiotics can be beneficial right out of the gate. A lot of people discuss and you and I discussed binders and Bluetooth ion and fixing the environment and all of that, but I mean, this shows here that bumping up your good bacteria is going to be a critical component to so I personally implemented a 50 to 100 billion have some multi stream probiotics and I have felt better. Is that the magic here? No, I’m doing a lot of things, but it has been pretty beneficial.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% Yep, pull up that pull up that Brewer paper. Now I think that’s going to be the next thing we should talk about. So let’s go over that. 

Evan Brand: This is crazy. This is crazy. So if you scroll down, long story short, in clinic, Brewer and some of his associates in this in this paper, they were testing using urine testing, which is what Justin and I run in clinic as well. We do a urine mycotoxin screen. And right here on the first page. It’s crazy says right here that urine specimens showed that 93% of his chronic fatigue patients these are known chronic fatigue sufferers. 93% of those were positive for at least one mycotoxin

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. So if you look here, right, here’s 112 patients 93% had at least one mycotoxin, again you have different mycotoxins, you have the aflatoxin- This is common like peanut stuff okra toxin and then you have the tri coat the scenes which is common in the in the black mold the Stacie buttress black mold, okay, so these different toxins we can actually test and now it’s important. Some people may test these things and they don’t do a really good glute. If I don’t push people that have really poor to toxification they may not push these things out. So you really want to make sure a couple of days ahead of time you do a good Bluetooth ion push and and even that you may just want to even look at the home too and do a really good play test on your home. Again, we use immunologic labs, we’ll put some links down below if you guys want to procure those tests, but some people they may have a hard time pushing it out. So yeah, so number one is I always recommend do a glutathione push. If you feel achy or really bad or brain foggy or tired or fatigued that could be a good time. Also, if you have a lot of mold in the home, especially molds that have these mycotoxins The nice thing about the amino Linux. It’ll tell you if these mycotoxins are produced by the species of mold they find so they see Aspergillus, or different mold that can be produced during water damage, then usually there’s an oak, there’s usually going to be a mycotoxin attached to it. There are some molds that are natural, like in soil and just plant degradation outside. Those are different some more from pet dander and those kind of things. So you’re able to get a window into all those things, as well. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, and I just want to say one comment about the push. When I first did my original mycotoxin urine screen, I did do Bluetooth ion for maybe three days and I guess that wasn’t enough because my Michael phenolic acid, which is a mycotoxin that comes from Penicillium, which I was exposed to my level was a 12, which was in the red range, but it was just barely. And then when I retested six months later after trying really hard and doing sauna therapy, which is another way you could actually do provocation. If someone doesn’t have glue defi on, you could do a sauna session, then collect urine, that could also help but six months later, my levels went from a 12 to a 1700 my levels were off the chart, even though I’d been trying for six months to get it out, and I did feel better. Some may look at that. And I’ve had some clients, you know, call me and they’re like, I’m crying. I’m freaking out, my levels went up what’s going on, and we explain most of the time, that doesn’t mean new exposures happen. That just means you’re getting better at detoxification, and you’re pushing more out. And that’s what happened to me. So my levels were really, really low. Six months later, they were really, really high. And then another six, eight months later, they were low again, indicating that I did actually detox it and push it out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Now part of the reason why we were able to stick with it is because we knew that you had high levels of mold in your old home, correct? 

Evan Brand: Well, so it was a crawlspace exposure. Looking back at the plates. The house was minimally bad honestly, what I think happened based on talking to Scott force grant, he his theory on it is that my tick bites that I got sort of set the mold in motion because I had the most exposure when I was a kid hanging out in my grandmother’s house. Were her babies basement flooded many times. And I remember going down there and smelling musty basement. So I guarantee you, I’ve had mold toxin, you know, just because I’m genetically unable to detox it like a lot of people are, I probably had it since I was a very, very young child. But his theory was that the tick bites basically weaken the immune system enough to allow the mycotoxins to really take me down. Whereas before, I may have had some symptoms, but it wasn’t as it wasn’t as brutal. So it was the combination of tick bites, and then some more recent mold exposure, that kind of retriggered things. Yeah, and I think it was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I think it was a combination because I didn’t really get exposed to that much upon looking back at my plates and comparing those to some of my clients. I’m like, you know what, this wasn’t that bad. I mean, we had a though, I remember them being more high. So everything in the house was in single digits. It was just the crawlspace that was in double digits. And then once we did the fog treatment, everything was back to normal but what really screwed me is when we modified the the hva system. And we were trying to circulate the air in the crawlspace. Better. So the ductwork was changed to make a complete loop system from the crawlspace, sucking that air pumping that air into the house, and then the house pumping back in. So it was a continuous loop. And that’s what really screwed me because that setup wasn’t there before. And that’s what really cranked the levels up. And that’s where, even after we did an initial treatment, the levels went way up. Because now we were bringing in bad air into the breathable air. And so once we reverse that correctly, so if I remember correctly, is you had this crawlspace right, there was mold in the crawlspace. That was really high. The rest of the house was okay, but there was a lot of whole mold in the crawlspace they fixed the ventilation part of the home before they treated the crawlspace. Is that correct? Yeah. So we Yeah, we treated the home silly. I mean, absolutely. I can’t believe that happened. I’m just like, How the heck did these guys screw that up? I know, I know. So So then we treated it again though. And then the reverse the duck system that we had put in we reversed all of that. And then treated it again. And then it was fine. So technically, I could have stayed because the plates were incredible after that, but I needed a bigger house. Anyway, we had another kid come in. So it was a good excuse for me to just say, hey, let’s just go ahead and leave. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right but that was a big trigger for you. And then I think even in the new home that was still a little bit more mold that came back on that home to right near the retreat that address. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, we treated this house as well. We had some high colonies near the kitchen, which is potentially from the kitchen empties out into a screen room. So if those screen doors were always open, bringing bringing in outside air outdoor molds over time can accumulate in the house and make mycotoxins so yeah, we’ve we’ve treated it and now we just do some of the maintenance solution and we do some of the candles and such and now we’ve got it under control. So and then-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also in general, you have the dehumidifier put in so then the humidity is now a lot less in the home. So that helps so there’s less breeding ground for it. And then you also just have air filtration throughout the home. So even if things were to come in your filters would naturally grab it anyway. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, I would assume my house is probably one of the few in Kentucky that doesn’t have mold in it because even with our whole house dehumidifiers, I mean, it’s pouring rain as we speak right now the ground rarely dries out because we have so much rain here lately. And even with the whole house dehumidifiers running, we’re barely keeping the house at 50% 45 to 50% humidity if you didn’t have those Running Man, who knows outside right now is like 86% humidity. And you and I’ve discussed this many times on the podcast, but you know, if you have humidity levels above 50% continuously in your home, you don’t have to have a water event. You don’t have to have a dishwasher overflow or a toilet leaking. Just the high moisture from the humidity alone can create mold, and that’s what happens in many homes that you and I’ve tested. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, it really happens in areas where the temperature is just a little bit low. So you don’t have the AC because the AC will act with a natural dehumidifier but it’s temperature driven where humidifier is humidity percent driven. So I had a little bit of so if you have a you know 65 or 70, and it’s not quite triggering the AC, that’s where you really get screwed, but it’s not cold enough, not hot enough to trigger an AC but it’s also very humid 6065 70 or it’s just a basement area where basements are really cool but humid, that’s where you really need it because then if you get a humid basement, that’s cool. Well guess what it’s going to that ventually those molds are going to go upstairs to the rest of the home even if the rest of the home is is you know nice in and low humidity because of the air conditioner. So having a dehumidifier is important. I had a little bit of water issues over the weekend I was changing my water filter. And there was like three vowels you have to turn off. I only turned off two out of the three so it leaked a bit. Nothing bad I you know, got three or four towels cleaned it up. But what I did is I went in crank that dehumidifier down to 40%. And within two, three hours, any residual water that was hanging out was all evaporated, gone. But if you had 60% humidity in that basement, that water would just sit there for days on end. Once that water sits for 48 hours. It’s gonna start raining mold toxins. 

Evan Brand: Yeah, I’m glad you got the dehumidifier too. That’s, that’s pretty much essential for where we live with higher humidity. So, back to the chronic fatigue thing. So let’s keep going back on this paper because this is what I had.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you want you can go share your screen here, Evan, you can share your screen if you like. Evan, are you there? Can you hear me? I lost that and guy, so I’ll wait for him to kind of come back on here. I’ll just keep on riffing. While we are waiting for him. I’m just gonna give him a message here.

All right, awesome. So just chatting with Evan here on the on the side here. He’ll be back on the show in just a minute. Let me keep rolling with you guys. So in general, we have the mitochondria we have different mold toxins that can affect and poison the mitochondria. One of the things that we get with fungus or mold is we get things called oxalates. And oxalates can enter the mitochondria enter the Krebs cycle, and make it harder for that Krebs cycle to work and harder to generate energy. So of course, that’s going to be a big component to stressing out the mitochondria. So when we look at molds coming into the end environment, whether it’s mold from outdoors, whether it’s molds or fungal because it kind of have molds, right, and then you have different things like funguses in your gut like Candida, they kind of have a similar mechanism where they’re going to affect and poison the mitochondria. and different things like that can create oxalate and they can really make it harder for the mitochondria to generate ATP. 

I’m going to show a couple of articles here I got an article on mold and how it can affect or Candida and how it can affect the mitochondria. I’m gonna pull this up with you guys here right now so you guys can see it. So this is interesting right here, you guys can see my screen chronic intestinal candidiasis as a possible ecological factor in chronic fatigue syndrome. We talked about Candida syndrome, also known as Candida related complex, putatively caused by an overgrowth of Candida, so that’s an overgrowth, not the Candida is not ever going to be there. It should be there and maybe at very low levels, it’s the significant overgrowth. That’s the problem.

And essentially in response of large number of patient with chronic fatigue to an oral antifungal agent, there’s evidence that Candida infection of the mucous membranes depress our T cells and natural killer cells. Similar abnormalities of the immune function are found in chronic fatigue. So it’s altering our immune function. So our body’s ability to deal with an immune response and deal with infections and deal with stress is going to be impaired big time. This is this is really, really, really important to kind of highlight and then it says, um, and it’s important in preventing reactions like epstein barr cytomegalovirus, herpes virus, there are other viral infections that could play a role with chronic fatigue. Right? And again, with chronic fatigue, the question is what comes first? Is it the chicken or the egg? In other words, when you have a an infection, is it the infection is cause is the underlying cause or did you have a weakened immune system leading up to the infection that caused the problem to begin with. 

That’s really what the underlying issue is, did you get the infection first? Or did the infection come as a result of the weakened immune system, and I’m not sure if it matters too much, we always try to line up what the what the likely causes. But we know here things like Candida and gut issues can affect the T cell and the natural killer cell, this is going to be our th one branch of the immune system. So our th one or those kind of special forces, they get in there and really do a lot of killing ahead of time. And they kind of the first line defense of the immune response. That’s like kind of really, really, really important to highlight and then it talks about here. And so then when you have a compromised immune system, other parasites other viral issues may be an issue then mold may be more of a problem. So now when you get exposed to mold, you may have been able to whip through it no problem you adapted to a bun now it’s like dang I think really knocked on your butt. So then said yes. The immune dysfunction found in the sorter has been considered the primary underlying cause. So this imbalance of cytotoxic T cell and T helper cells and natural killer cells is the underlying cause. It proposed that the chronic intestinal combat is maybe an agent, which leads to the immune depression in many chronic fatigue patients, and therefore, it could be a causal factor in chronic fatigue. So a lot of times we have the guts stuff leads the way. Okay, the guts stuff leads the way and then everything else happens after that, that makes sense. All right, excellent. Excellent. Very good.

I’m going to just take a pause here for one second. We lost Evan here, so I’m gonna see if I can get him back on the show as we chat. All right, let’s keep on rolling. So we talked about some of the guts stuff now you can see some of these things here with Candida and mold. We can see the same thing with CBOE as well. All right, if we look at small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, SIBO and chronic fatigue, guess what we’re gonna see similar things and why? Why is it? Well, it’s because of the fact that the God is where 80% of the immune system lives this is important. So when you look at research, research suggests the high prevalence of SIBO among chronic fatigue patients, One study found 77% of chronic fatigue. patients had SIBO why because when you start to have gut issues, the immune system starts to get revved up, right. And when the immune system gets revved up, it gets weakened or you start to create an imbalance like that th one part of the immune system starts to become depleted. And when that th one becomes depleted, that’s going to make it harder for you to go after and deal with other stressors like SIBO like Candida like mold, right. This is why the gods plays a big role is because you have this tube.

That’s technically outside of your body yet when you swallow food, it’s technically outside of your body because when it goes into the bloodstream, that’s now inside, technically, it’s outside of the body, you’re have 80% of the immune cells in the golf, the gastric associated lymphoid tissue, that’s the part of the stomach. And then we have the mall. That’s the mucus associated lymphoid tissue that’s in the in the small intestine. And if you have stressors, whether it’s bugs or bad food that stresses out the immune system, the more chronically the immune system is stressed. It creates imbalances and makes it so other things that now encounter your body like mold or Candida or viruses like epstein barr mano, right? The kissing disease. Now that’s going to create more stress and really, really, really knock on your butt. So we always have to look at what the underlying root cause of everything is. So, so we don’t lose sight of that. So we always want to understand what’s the root cause? What are associated causes and just because it’s an associative cause, you still want to make sure you fix it. Because sometimesyou’re not really sure if there’s three or four different infection 234 different bugs, does it mean that hey, each one is 25% equal, maybe, sometimes one’s a bigger one. And we also have to make sure we set the table. So if there’s food or other issues that are driving the problem, to begin, we got to make sure we fix that. What if those things have created an autoimmune issue? And now you have Hashimoto is because of the mold or because of the bug issue. Right. And now, the thyroids been attacked for a decade. Well, now what do you got to do? You can’t just ignore the thyroid and be puritanical and say, well, the root cause is Candida. 

Therefore, if I only fix the root cause, then everything else should be fixed. No, you may still have to go in there and support the thyroid because the hormone levels have now dropped, or the adrenal levels now have dropped. So you, you, you know, it’s easy to be like, well, the root causes this, everything else goes downstream, yes, but you may have to come in there and support those other pathways so you can get better and feel better faster. If not, you may be suffering for a long time. Really, really, really important points. All right, I’m going to roll with questions guys and see where you’re at with everything. So in general, with foods, big things that are going to stress this out, if you’re eating lots of refined sugar, and you’re and you’re spitting out a lot of candy to the candy doesn’t make a whole bunch of lactic acid, and that can make it and though that can easily eat a lot of your B vitamins, so the more Candida and the more bugs we have, the more you’re going to be consuming and ripping up a lot of your B vitamins. So B vitamins are very important. When you have bad bacteria, it’s gonna make it a lot harder for you to consume a lot of those good healthy B vitamins because your bugs in your gut are going to be consuming it for you. That’s like super, super important bugs in your gut are going to be consuming it. Number two is the bacteria is and it produced toxins. And this is big because these toxins now put more stress on your guts. So put more stress on your detoxification pathway. 

So when you have a lot more gut toxins, like polysaccharide or endotoxin, or the different mycotoxins may be made by Candida, and now your detoxification pathways get stressed. And now the sulfur that your body needs to run detoxification pathway have to get up regulated, you’re going to need more B vitamins like b 12, and fold a and be sick. So you’re going to need more of those nutrients as well to run those detoxification pathways. And so that can also drive fatigue as well because if you’re really like your body only has so many so much resources, so if you’re really toxic, if you’re really toxic, your body’s gonna allocate a lot of the nutrients on the B vitamins side or the sulfur side that may plug into the mitochondria. ….. ossification have less resources over here. So just just very, very, very, very important to keep that in the back of your head. Okay, awesome. Okay, very, very good.

All right, excellent. So it’s very, very important to really keep an eye on all the resources here because the more stressed your detoxification pathways gets, they’re going to pull a lot of that sulfur, they’re going to pull a lot of the B vitamins, and those are all nutrients that would plug into that mitochondrial pathway to begin with. So really, really, really, really important. You need so for people forget you need sulfur to actually make a lot of your dopamine and adrenaline. So dopamine and adrenaline. You need good sulfur. All right. And so if you if you’re chronically stressed, you’re going to be making a lot of adrenalin and eventually you’re going to be depleted because you’re not going to have that good software to take dopamine to norepinephrine, epinephrine, so you deplete sulfur because when you have dope mean that’s your feel good neurotransmitter you feel good, helps you focus. It’s a good reward center neurotransmitter, and that will go downstream, the more stressed your app is epinephrine, norepinephrine, that’s basically adrenaline or catecholamines. And these things are going to get very, very depleted, the sulfur will, will get very, very depleted, the more you’re chronically stressed, and then you’ll have less sulfur. And then the less sulfur you have, you’re going to have less building blocks for glutathione for your methylation, for all your detoxification nutrients, so it really plugs in. You want to look at everything holistically, so it all makes sense. All right, wonderful. All right, guys. Hey, phenomenal chat with you. If you guys enjoy today’s podcast talking about Candida talking about mold and mycotoxins connecting it to the mitochondria connecting it to energy. These are all very, very important components and on how and why everything you know is vitally important, why it all connects. So in general, co q 10. Very important, you know, anywhere between 100 to 500 milligrams a day. B vitamins, you know, a good high quality B Complex especially if we see on an organic acid test more forming a glutamate or more methylmalonic acid that tells us B12. And it also tells us full later benign, we may see things like xanthi urinator, kind of urinate which tell us B6 is important because B6 helps with our brain it is needed for the synthesis of neurotransmitters, right serotonin and dopamine. So if we don’t have good neurotransmitters that’s gonna really really affect our body’s ability to sleep to deal with stress mood, our adrenals right B five is a really important one pens authentic acid, we need it for our adrenals and also plugged into our mitochondria. Krebs cycle amino acids like I’ll see on these mitochondrial tests, we’ll see low sulfur like we’ll see low sulfate or low power of glutamate, or we’ll see low Pokorny, which is a sign of lower amino acids and these amino acids plug in to the Krebs cycle. 

And you can see here I’ll try to pull it up on screen how the amino acids plug in, but there’s a bunch of amino acids and the Krebs cycle. I’ll try to pull it up here. Now, why is this important? Well, because if you have poor digestion, because of mold, because of Candida, guess what’s going to happen to your body’s ability to break down protein? It’s going to drop, it’s going to significantly drop. Okay, I’m going to pull this up here so you guys can see how amino acids plug in. They plug in significantly. Okay, I got it right up here for you guys. Alright, cool. Let me just show this to you guys so you can see it. So this is what the Krebs cycle looks like. Okay, so you have remember this is the glucose here is in the site is all that’s outside of the mitochondria. Okay. All right, and then this stuff here comes in glucose phospholipids animal pyruvate pyruvate to acetylcholine. Now this starts to enter into the mitochondria, so sudo Coase now in the mitochondria, so look at these building blocks a Piru a to acetal koi look what it is people listening here we have a video version two so you guys can see my screen alanine cysteine glycine serine three Nene trip the fan right I so loosing all these things are big these are all essential amino acids that plug in to pyruvate and the seal co a and these kind of provide the building blocks to ratchet through your Krebs cycle and this thing is going to turn around twice. So you have saturate the ISO citrate and then you have alpha ketoglutarate more glutamine more prolene more histidine more origin and get plugged in. Then you have [inaudible] when you have more isoleucine more veiling right these are branched chain amino acids. Now this is part of the reason why working out with branched chain amino acids helpful refining 3d and then it goes from succinylcholine to succinate or we have tyrosine and phenyl alanine, which helps dopamine and adrenaline and then Fumarate to melee, melee to oxaloacetate, which is aspirin gene and aspartate. And then it plugs right back into we’ll see the code so you can see how that works. All right, you can see how that works very, very important amino acids. So if we have very poor, if we have very, very poor digestion, we have low hydrochloric acid, we have low enzymes, that’s an a play a really, really big role in this whole thing. So getting your enzymes and your stomach acid up really having a clean diet, really breaking down your food, and then really working with a good practitioner to look at the mold toxins or the gut stress the Candida in the gut. Right, and it’s more of an overgrowth, maybe looking at SIBO maybe looking at H. pylori or other gut infections. Looking at the environmental mold, if there is mold, how do we fix it right? What’s the root cause of that mold? Is it a muted humidity issue? Do we just need an air filter? Do we have to do a bio balance protocol in the home to get the mold level down right? So we have to look at the whole picture so we get to the root cause I hope that makes sense. 

Any other questions? Feel free I’ll chime in and try to answer them here for y’all. I think we got most stuff here that’s on point kind of already dialed in. So if you guys want to reach out to Evan, is a console link you can feel free and schedule. Also head over to my site to schedule a consult with myself if you want to dive in deeper we’ll put links down below. If you guys enjoyed this content, share it with friends and family make sure you subscribe hit that like button hit the bell so you get notifications. It’s phenomenal chatting with y’all really appreciate it. Just do me a favor try to apply some of this information so that you can make yourself healthier. It’s really important when you’re healthier. You become a better parent, a better person a better employee, a better boss, and it just it really helps the whole world get better the healthier you get the whole world gets better. Alright guys, it was phenomenal chat and you guys have a great day. Take care. Bye


Audio Podcast:

Blood Sugar Issues and a Weaker Immune System – Blood Sugar & Virus Connection | Podcast #278

Hi everyone! Today’s podcast talks about blood sugar and immune system issues. Diabetes marks the second spot today in comorbidities, and more information about blood sugar regulation is coming right up. With current health concerns, it is also important that we know why our immune system weakens and how we can make it stronger. We have different kinds of viruses and infections everywhere, so we really want to lay down all the important information about having a strong immune system. Join me and Evan Brand in this podcast. More info below.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

In this episode, we cover:

0:52     Diabetes

6:46     Glucose and Immune Function

11:43    Metabolic Side of Stress

18:38   Diets, Vitamins and Supplements

27:21   Flu Season

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey guys, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani here I’m with Evan Brand. Today we’re going to be chatting about blood sugar issues and the immune system. And of course, we’ll connect it to the corona virus here today as well. We want to make sense of why our immune system may be weak and how we can accelerate it and improve it. So we can deal with all kinds of different viruses and infections, including the corona virus. Evan, how are we doing today, man? 

Evan Brand: Hey, I’m really excited to chat with you about this. We’ve been looking at several different charts and graphs, there’s just so much stuff to keep up with. There’s just so much data, they could even be overwhelming for us, you know, just because we’re looking at so many different numbers from so many different places. But one thing that’s consistent across the board is we’re seeing that people that have comorbidities are ending up in a more critical shape. So specifically diabetes is second on the list. Heart disease is first on the list. So that’s pretty interesting because diabetics are [inaudible] is in America, and arguably were one of the highest diabetes incidents of any country out there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And there’s a phenomenon in our body that our immune system uses is called phagocytosis. And phagocytosis involves like our macrophages and monocytes gobbling up viruses. So imagine a PAC Man or a PAC woman, and they are literally just basically grabbing various bacteria and viruses. And it’s gobbling it up now, when it invalid. So basically, it gobbles up a virus imagination, meaning it’s like you taking food and you swallowing it, it’s now inside of your body and your body digest it, your immune cells to the same thing with viruses. And when you have high levels of insulin, insulin actually decreases that process. It’s kind of like if you’re nauseous or sick, you don’t want to be swallowing or eating food. Right. Therefore you can’t digest the food that you’re eating. Well, it’s kind of like that with your immune cells. When your immune cells have high levels of insulin, it’s going to be harder your immune cells will be nauseous to a lot of that bacteria and viruses and won’t be able to digest it and break it down. Now really important because that process requires that process is decreased when there’s high levels of insulin. Now, insulin helps blood sugar go into your cell. Why does insulin go high? Typically, there’s too much carbohydrates and or inflammation. Usually, it’s a combination of the two, of course, more carbohydrates and insulin to go up, the more refined and processed the carbohydrates are, and of course, more inflammatory that carbohydrates are. So some people may have a big insulin spike with grains because one grains will eventually break down to carbohydrate and glucose in your body, but also, the more inflammation the grains cause, especially if you’re gluten sensitive, that may create a cortisol spike and mobilize even more sugar, right so carbohydrates kind of bump up your sugar, but you’re immune response and inflammatory response to it can even increase it even more.

Evan Brand: So it sounds like there’s multiple mechanisms against you in this aspect. And so you really want to go lower carb right now it sounds like it’s just a smart, protective. I would just say anything you could do to lower risk right now it’s going to be smart. So that seems like one thing that’s pretty low hanging fruit 100%. They’ve been studies where they look at diabetic patients, and they actually lower their insulin levels, trying to see if I can find a good study on this. Yeah, here’s a wonderful study. Okay, here Well, I’m going to tell you why you’re pulling that up. I’m going to tell you what I saw over the weekend, which was a video from a doctor who had reported that out of I think it was 23 patients that were in his unit that were in really bad shape. 19 of those were confirmed diabetics. So 19 out of 23 that were in really bad shape, confirm diabetics. So, to me, that’s pretty telling and I’m sure there’s bigger numbers out there. That’s a pretty small patient group, but still still helpful to to have that data.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Let me go show you guys. So if you guys are listening on the podcast, we also have a YouTube version of this as well where you can see the actual video. So that’s important. So if you guys are driving, don’t worry, we’ll put the YouTube link down below. So if you want to watch the video you can, I’m going to share my screen Evan so you can see. So this is really interesting here. Let me just show you all this. So what they’re actually showing here is this. You can see here’s the ingestion rate, this is your your neutrophils and or your phagocytosis happening by your macrophages. So this is ingestion. So this is like your immune cells eating stuff. And this is blood glucose. So as you can see, as your blood glucose goes up, what’s happening to your white blood cells being able to eat these viruses and bacteria, it’s dropping. Do you see that trend there? So you can look here, let me just kind of draw it up for you guys so you guys can see it and it makes sense. I’m going to make sense of this all so you can see the general trend is this. It’s down. Now again, these are really high blood sugar range. Just 300 400 500 but you can see, even at 100, hundred and 10 that trend already starts. So let’s say your blood sugar only goes to here, like 151 60. Well, you’re still having a decreased immune function, right?

Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I’ve had instances where I’ve taken my blood glucose after doing like rice, for example, in the blood sugar can go up into that range for sure.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and the thing is, if you’re eating every four hours, or you’re drinking a lot of alcohol or soda, you’re constantly jacking your blood sugar up, right blood sugar is going up chronically, which is then driving your immune system down. And again, you have to be you know, kind of more in the diabetic range to get over in these levels. But it’s, you know, it’s not impossible for someone to go up to 151 6180 acutely after a meal. And then if you’re chronically consuming excess carbohydrates, refined sugar, processed grains, you can Keep your immune system your blood sugar a little bit low. And that could keep your immune system. You know, if you’re at this ingestion rate over here of let’s say 75 or 80, and you drop it down, let’s say to 65. Well, guess what? That’s like a 30% drop in your immune function that may be just enough to get you sick. Does that make sense?

Evan Brand: It does makes perfect sense. Well, of course, autoimmune to right, if you have some autoimmune diabetes stuff going on, I’m sure that’s gonna play into this. We’re talking just stuff that you could easily do and try to help support if you’re in the type two category, but type one would still apply.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly, yep. And this is you know that a lot of different studies on this, that are looking at that or looking at glucose. In immune function. This is pretty common. So it’s really important to be able to know there’s a connection. And again, a lot of these studies connected to like diabetes or type two diabetes, which is fine, but there’s an in between area between having healthy glucose levels and being diabetic and alive. People are in this pre diabetic, whether we call it there’s starting to be this insulin resistance, it’s subclinical, it’s not at that 126 milligrams per dl of blood sugar, you may be just chronically above 101 10. And what does that mean? You may not have a 20 or 30 or 40% immune reduction, you may just have like a 10 or 20%. Right? And then that may be enough to get you sick.

Evan Brand: Yeah, that all counts, though, right? You may say, Oh, well, 10% reduction, but I want to do anything I can to to build myself up and reduce risk.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110%. So there’s a lot of studies on that, and I’ve talked about it. That’s why right now, if you’re worried about Oh, Corona virus and other viruses, right, you really want to have your blood sugar under control, so leaning more or lower carbohydrate will be helpful. Also a lot of the inflammatory films that are produced from the immune reaction, right so when your immune system goes to fight a virus or if I fight infection, it it produces these inflammatory Well, it produces cytokines to go after what’s happening, right? These cytokines create an immune response. And typically there may be lippo polysaccharides that are produced from the infection. And so what happens is these lipid polysaccharides also can create inflammation. And some of the byproducts of the inflammation that are produced are these things called inflamasames. They’re like inflammatory compounds. And what happens is these things inhibit nitric oxide and nitric oxide is really in it blocks nitric oxide and it suppresses certain toll like receptors so dark pigmented fruits and vegetables are gonna block the LPS are that bad bacterial toxin that activates a lot of those inflammatory so doing bioflavonoids elderberry. Lots of high quality fruit vegetables, especially lower sugar on the fruit ranks. We talked about how high sugar stuff can decrease your phagocytes right? So we want to make sure that We’re on top of that, and we can decrease a lot of that immune response. Right. So the more refined and processed your carbohydrates are, when you make a lot of these cytokines, it’s possible that your body is going to have a increase inflamasome activity, so we can really modulate it. So think of a lot of these compounds and bioflavonoids, we talk about, like adaptogens for our immune system, or adaptogens for our adrenals. This is like adaptogens for like the cytokine response in your body, which is really helpful.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and I don’t know how powerful that would be like eating a handful of blueberries, versus doing like Japanese knotweed or some of these other side of kind of herbs that we’ve discussed. But to me, it’s all on the table at this point.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep, exactly. I mean, you’re going to eat anyway, you’re not going to just you know, get your calories and your nutrition off of herbs, right. It’s not going to happen, but can you use good herbs and nutrients that are supplemental for the immune system along with you know, fresh blueberries or really good quality bioflavonoids that are going to be in your vegetables and low sugar fruit. Yeah, I think so. And then of course, leaning more on on the lower carbohydrate side and improving your ketone levels, because ketones one, they’re going to want to keep your immune system or they’re going to keep your you satiated. And to ketones don’t have an effect that I’m aware of clinically of decreasing an immune response. And actually, your body tends to increase ketones when you get sick. Let me let me walk you through that. So when you get sick, what tends to happen, you tend to get more nauseous, right? And then the nausea does what it prevents you from eating, right? And then what is the eating? Do you actually start going into what I call starvation, ketosis, meaning you’re not getting enough calories, but you’re also going into ketosis, too. Now, that may be more on the severe side, right? Because your body’s trying to one not worry about digesting food, it’s worrying about digesting bacteria and viruses. Now that’s more when you’re sick. But what about the in between? Can you start to push your body a little bit into here? ketosis so you’re starting to do some cellular autophagy and clean up some junk in your body. Yeah. And with the with the ketones be fueling the weakened immune response like sugar would know they won’t be they won’t be right. And we talk Sugar. Sugar is typically sucrose, what sucrose, usually it’s 50%, glucose and fructose or 55 45 of its high fructose corn syrup, 55, fructose 45, glucose. So all that gets broken down into the same thing. 

Evan Brand: It’s a big metabolic stressors, the key point here and so any stress in the bucket, we’re trying to analyze those. So we’ve talked about immune stressors. We did a whole podcast on different herbs to try to help calm the nervous system, because that’s part of the stress. Now we’re talking about the metabolic side of stress. So really, I mean, if you think of this whole thing as a spiderweb if we look at someone who’s getting critically ill, we’re thinking they may have emotional stress in the bucket. They may have metabolic stress in the bucket. You know, the dietary stress, they may not be sleeping well because they’re up all night watching TV for example. So They’ve got that melatonin cortisol disruption, which is also very impactful on the immune system. Because we know Melatonin is a super powerful antioxidant. It’s one of the most powerful known to man, and produced by the body. So to me, if you’re trying to look at all the data and you’re thinking, Okay, what can I do? I think the wise decision is try to look at these puzzle pieces, look at the spiderweb and try to systematically approach each of these categories making sure you’re getting to bed on time, like I put my little girls down and I go to bed kind of early. I know I go to bed earlier than you Dr. J. I go to bed like 9:30 10 you know, at the latest, sometimes even nine o’clock and then the winter when it’s dark. I may even go to bed sooner than that. So So sleep is foundation one and then foundation to get into doubt delta and focusing on your good quality fats to stabilize that blood sugar will still do some carbs and starch right, like well, we’ll do rice maybe once a week. We’ll do some potatoes maybe once a week. But other than that, it’s mainly good meat. Good fat. That’s good veggies, nuts and seeds. And then the herbals, vitamin C is not an herbal but vitamin C, some extra vitamin D, that stuff is all being used now in New York, you and I were talking about that earlier before we hit record that they’re starting to implement some IV vitamin C into some of these critical care facilities, which I think is a very, very smart idea.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and also with the hydrochloric when alone protocol with the as the term is and the Z Pak, the doctors that are actually doing even better are adding about 230 milligrams of zinc to that protocol. And some that are even doing better also add in the vitamin C. So again, we always look at the immune function. Drugs are never essential to the immune system but nutrients are so that’s why leaning to extra zinc, or extra vitamin C, let’s say your diets great and you’re already getting a lot of those things. That’s awesome. But if you do get Exposure to something having more of those nutrients could help your immune system deal with that stress better, especially things like vitamin C, because there’s so much research on those at higher levels being very beneficial. And even if you were to get sick, your body’s gonna blow through those nutrients at a higher level. It’s just like, okay, now your drag race in your car, well, you’re gonna go through a lot more gasoline than you would if you were just driving normally, right? So you have to look at how you run in your body, if your body is already sick, or you’re under immune assault, right? You really got to bump it up even more so you can decrease exposure to the virus.

Evan Brand: Yeah, that makes sense. So, and someone who’s already stressed too, we know just by looking at organic acids testing. I mean, I would say 95% maybe your numbers a little different. 95% of people that we’re testing clinically are showing really low and a lot of nutrients. So amino acids, various nutrients, like vitamin C will show up low all the time. So to me, you may say that, Oh, this is extra supplementation. But to us, it’s kind of just baseline because so many people are deficient. So we’re actually implementing those already, even if this weren’t going on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100%. And I see a lot of doctors out there that are throwing a lot of doctors under the bus that are recommending immune nutrients and our immune support. But frankly, there’s two differences in care. There’s differences when we’re working with someone in care, and we’re testing certain nutrients and we’re being more specific, and creating a longer term plan. But then there’s even with patients a palliative approach where we may upregulate our immune system for an a more acute response, like if someone’s going to be having more stress or they’re going to be flying on an airplane, or they’re going to be around people that are potentially more sick. That’s a difference to the protocol, we’re going to be having more of a palliative immune boosting acute approach. This isn’t more of a long term program. It’s more of an acute response because your body may be under more stress right now. And it’s just trying to increase our terrain and our reserves, so we can deal with something more severe Specifically, so a lot of people get very dogmatic and want to nuance this and make it more difficult than it is. And of course, different people need different nutrients. But there’s also general approaches that we can use across the board to give ourselves a little bit more of a bump across, you know, the population without having to see each person as a patient test everyone.

Evan Brand: Right, right. I mean, my thought of it is kind of like a road trip, you’re not going to start a road trip with a quarter tank of gas. If you know you’ve got a journey ahead, you don’t really know how things are going to end up. Why are people close to you going to get affected or not? It’s going to be wise to go ahead and fill up the tank with nutrition now, even if you’re someone who has zero concern, zero fear, worst case scenario, you know, something did happen to you, but I think it would be wise to just it’s a prep, it’s sort of prepping your body prepping your immune system, prepping the metabolic system, prepping the nervous system. Like last week, we did a show all about that. different herbs that we love and use to help with the nervous system. All of it counts.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also, when You get exposed to put infection your needs go up. So ideally, you’re already nutritionally supported in a way where your vitamin A Levels are good, your sea levels are good, your D levels are good. So when an infection hits you, it literally bounces off you it can even gain a foothold into your body, right? We know the corona virus uses that h2 receptor site, and it gains a foothold in uses this like filament to drop off the RNA inside the cell. And then it replicates and then you have an immune response. But if we can even prevent that pesky little mosquito from from dipping its nose into that Ace to receptor site, then that prevents this whole issue from happening. So it’s keeping your immune it’s like kind of like, Hey, we’re going to replace the locks on our door. We’re going to maybe put a ring camera out there, you know, I may put an ADT sign or something to make people feel, you know, hey, we’re watching this, this receptor site this home a little bit better, and it may prevent someone from even accessing the home or the cell. Does that make sense?

Evan Brand: That’s a great analogy. I love it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so there’s two ways to look at it. Hey, you get sick. How do we have a stronger immune response? But number two is how do we just prevent that invader from even opening the cell door to begin with? And so we kind of want to look at it from two sides of the coin if we can.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and of course you can’t sign in blood and say, hey, look, if you do all the right things, you’re going to have guaranteed protection but to me, it makes sense that you could reduce risk I mean, if we look at just try to comparatively look at vitamin D levels and the flu we know just by looking at the data you can see in general, lower vitamin D equals increased risk. So the data is there on this this is not stuff we’re just making up on the fly to sell some vitamin D you know it’s there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep 100% and also, the patient’s got a road in here well what this fasting help well, depends. If you’re sick fasting can definitely help but we still want nutrition to come in. I would just lean in maybe on some collagen, amino acids smoothie, or maybe even just some bone broth or some gentle soup. Because when you when you are sick, your immune system just kind of doesn’t want to work as well because It’s mobilizing that energy right? When you eat food half of the energy that you take in goes to the digestion process. It’s kind of expensive. I use the analogy of using your credit card and having a 50% transaction fee on it. Hey, you buy $100 pair of shoes. Well you get a bill $50 after the fact right, that’s, that’s expensive. So if we can break everything down and make it easier on the tummy, or even go a little bit lower calorie for a day or two, but do it in response to your appetite dropping and nausea occurring if you’re not having a whole bunch of nausea or appetite drop, listen to your body, but you can always do a little bit of fasting. But try to make sure if you’re not nauseous to get enough nutrition, right extra nutrients, potassium, vitamin C, proteins, fats all that’s going to be great and if you start to feel your appetite going down, you can lean into a little bit more of a fast but you know still rely on easy to access nutrition from bone broth or collagen, amino acids or some simple smoothies.

Evan Brand: Yep, you said it best once on a call. Which was that? If you said there’s no nutrition and starving, so you kind of have to weigh that balance of potential benefits and things getting upregulated, maybe more ketone production, versus Hey, I’m just not having the blueberries and all the nutrition to me, I would still say go three meals a day, maybe you eat dinner at six, and you don’t eat breakfast till eight. You know, that’s a 14 hour fast. I mean, that’s plenty long enough at this point,

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly a lot. Now, again, the less sugar and carbohydrate you need, you actually need less B vitamins and less antioxidants because the more glucose and glycolysis that your body has to run, it actually requires more vitamins and more magnesium, so your nutritional needs will drop. But if you ain’t really getting enough of those nutrients in you’re still going to need some of them. Okay, so get to them. And there is important, a lot of the carnivore crew, they don’t get a lot of those nutrients. But if you’re carnivore, you’re also going to be leaning on lots of grass fed nutrients. And if you’re eating healthy, quality steaks, there’s a lot of biotech cumulated nutrition those animals are going to get from those plants. So it’s totally different if you’re eating animals that are all grain based versus ones that are more grass fed. So if you’re going to be leaning more on the keto or even carnivore side, just make sure that animal products are high quality.

Evan Brand: Yeah, one thing that some clients have said to me is that they, of course, they’re not glad that stuff is shut down in the city. But I have had some people tell me, Hey, now that I’m forced to cook meals at home, it’s actually allowing me to get into new paleo cookbooks that I’ve had sitting on the counter or try these new recipes for this grass fed steak or try, you know, cooking some brussel sprouts for the first time. So I want to try to, you know, put some positive light into this that people are with their families, hopefully at home, they’re eating more good quality food, you know, when everything is running, normally, people are running out and they just don’t think about it. I mean, even when I talk with William Shaw, you know, the head of Great Plains Lab, you know, here he is running a laboratory doing it. Vance testing, and I get him on the podcast. And I’m like, yeah, take us through your diet. He’s like, Oh, I eat out for lunch every day like no bill, don’t eat out for lunch every day. So I guess you could do Chipotle and other higher quality things. But in general, now people are cooking at home or so I’m hoping this is really encouraging people to, to focus on nutrition more. And I think it’s it’s been a real big wake up call for the general population that, hey, our health does matter. And we kind of waited for a crisis to focus on building ourselves up. But obviously, this is not the way I would want it to turn out. But it’s interesting now that people are wanting to wake up and think more about the choices they’re making on a daily basis, like, oh, maybe I don’t want that alcohol because I know that alcohol is not good for my immune system. You know, people are just starting to, to care more, which there’s got to be some good out of that. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. And then first thing is we talked about the immune system and cortisol and stress. So this video, we’re not going to go into the stats on what’s happening with Corona virus. I’ll do a video after this one where I go into the statistics of it. But let me just frame it a different way. All right? When it’s all said and done, the mortality rate of this infection is far below 1%. Number one, number 290 percent of people that get this infection are going to be asymptomatic. That means for every 10 people, or every one person that gets the infection, nine out of 10, minimum, maybe even higher. Doctor shots out of Ontario says maybe up to 20 people. So for every one person that gets it 19 to 20, are going to be asymptomatic as low as nine to 10 will be asymptomatic. That means your body got exposed to the virus, it’s maybe it’s having an immune response and you’re showing no symptoms. So in other words, there’s a 90 plus percent chance that you’re asymptomatic. And number two is, if you get sick, and you actually have symptoms, 80% of those symptoms are going to be very mild. So in other words, if you kind of look at the 90% chance, right and then you tail it with the 80 percent chance if you actually show symptoms, that’s a 98 to 99% chance that if you get this virus or get exposed to it, you’re going to virtually have very little problems addressing it, and you have a 90% chance that you won’t even know you got it. So that’s pretty awesome. So when you look at all the history and everything that’s happening on TV, you have to know those stats to begin with. And then the first thing I say is, am I doing more than 90% of the population? Or am I doing more than the 10% of the population that that’s really 10 or 20%. Out of that out of that population is getting sick? Am I doing more than 10 to 20% in regards to my immune system, and health, and I would say if you’re doing the right stuff, you’re going to be in that 99% category, for sure. Now, you’re going to see lots of anecdotes on TV of one offs of people getting sick. Number one, you don’t know their health history, too. You don’t know their diet. You don’t know what they eat. You don’t know if they have any other pre existing conditions. You don’t know any of that stuff. So the problem is, you’re not going to have access to a lot of it. And the majority of people are going to be 75. And often have multiple comorbidities like 99% of people in Italy had. So if you look at it, if I say, Oh my god, you have a 1% chance of dying, right? And you’re going to feel something. And if I say, My God, you have a 99% chance of not even having an issue at all, you also feel something with your body and your mind immune wise. So let’s flip it in our brain and look at it like from the 99% chance, and that’s not a 99% chance of living. That’s a 99% chance that if you get it, there’s no issue at all. It’s totally over your head. You don’t even know what’s going on.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and and we’ll wrap this up, because I don’t want to get too deep into this part, but I’ll do mine. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s very important, though.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Well, and yeah, and I agree with you, but what I’m going into is different and I don’t want to go off into a tailspin. But one thing that I’m noticing is that the media is focusing on Law on specific naming of people. So this celebrity has it that celebrity has it that celebrity has it. And it’s almost too, as if it’s to create, I don’t know, more fear because it’s like, oh, I know that person. They think they know that celebrity, if it’s patient 367 you’re kind of like, oh, man, that’s bad for them. But if you’re like, oh, Tom Hanks, it’s sort of, I think creates a more visceral response. But as you mentioned, Tom Hanks has diabetes. I just read an article this morning about Oh, yeah, having diabetes or being diabetic. I don’t know if he’s still fits the diagnosis or what but So, as you mentioned, just a minute ago, you lose sight of what else is going on with people. So it’s really easy to compare and think I’m a human, very human. But if they’re diabetic and their diets not good, and they’re traveling internationally, I mean, he was in like Australia, I think, you know, traveling. However many time zones to film for a movie, you can’t compare yourself and your situation to them and think that you’re just as vulnerable as them. It’s just not fair to yourself. It’s not fair to yourself to try to say, because that happened. That’ll happen to me. Because if you’re at home, you’re quarantine, you’re eating good food, you’ve got your nutrition on board, your your extra supplements on board to me. I would try not to worry unless there’s an urgent need to worry if that makes sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. And then, you know, like you mentioned, when you go into these one off kind of anecdotes, you lose perspective. And so like I always like to give perspective because it gives you a frame of reference to go back to. So this flu season right now. We’ve had 155 pediatric deaths due to flu. How many of these pediatric deaths have been, let’s say they did a a one off story on that person dying of flu, a 15 year old or a 13 year old or a 10 year old kid dying of flu, you don’t hear any of these things with the flu. All right, and that just tells you right now, if we’re comparing our apples to apples. There is an agenda by the media, to hyper focus on this and to hysteria is the issue. If there wasn’t an agenda, show me all the photo ops of all the other kids of flu dying, show me those stories, okay, they’re not there. And the reason why they’re not there is because people are trying to create a lot more fear in general a lot more fear and also decrease, you know, the relative risk on other conditions that happen all the time that we live with. And we’re very comfortable with it happening and we know what happens, right? And that’s the whole the pediatric fluids and it’s 155 dead so far this year.

Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s not good. It’s not good. I wish I could change things. But I guess all we can do is try to help provide just a little bit of a different perspective than just the headlines. And hopefully that can help people to just get through this and we’re all in it together. Unfortunately, everybody’s affected globally. You know, we’ve got clients all around the world, Justin, I work with people in Australia and Canada and Europe, and and it’s the Same there too. So it’s not just a US thing. Now at this point, you know, everybody’s involved. So we hope to just help everybody keep your heads up and keep pushing forward.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And also with the comparison, I don’t want to minimize any of the 155, the data flu, that are pediatrics that are kids that that’s already sad, but just know all the information we’re providing today is going to help you from all conditions. It’s not like, hey, this, this supplement is going to just help you for the corona virus of the flu virus, they’re going to improve your immune system, and your immune system will be so much more intelligent and strategic and dealing with all types of immune stressors. So keep that in the back of your head. We don’t want to make light of anything but at the same time we want to compare people’s responses and those responses reveal the the emotional overdrive to get you to feel something more about this versus that.

Evan Brand: Yeah, good point about the immune support right this this podcast will still apply a year from now even if nothing in the media is like this, this this applies all the time. So it Just becomes a little more important now that you focus on this stuff. So, you know, I’ve had some clients to reporting that their their stress eating. I mean, my wife went to Whole Foods and guess what all the cookies were sold out the graham crackers, the cookies, any kind of sweet stuff, you could still get bad food to Whole Foods, it was all sold out. So, you know, even if it’s a gluten free cookie that’s still is that blood sugar metabolic stress we talked about in the beginning. So I would say do the best you can to stay dialed in this is maybe you have a cookie as a treat, but you don’t want to go off the rails too much. Because remember that metabolic stress is immune stress and immune stress weakens you we don’t want that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Were there any other questions? I’m sorry. You got any questions? I didn’t have them pulled up.

Yep, so in general a pull it up here. We want to be on top of our immune system. And we also talked about the reason why the fear is so important is because of the cortisol response, like you highlighted that those surges of cortisol will weaken our immune system. So the reason why I am so on top of it and you’re so on top of Because we want to have a strong immune system. And if we can reframe how things how information is exposed to us, like I mentioned, versus the 99% chance of there being no issue at all, even with the infection, then that gets us a lot more hope and that creates a different immune response.

Evan Brand: Yeah. And the cortisol affects the gut and the gut, a lot of the immune system exists or happens the immune system activity can happen from good gut health. So that’s why you don’t want that cortisol damaging that gut barrier. This why athletes after too hard of exercise and may have diarrhea, for example, you know that cortisol can be damaging on the gut.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly. Yep. Exactly. And then I’ve Barb writes in about being worried about contacting her 95 year old mother, yeah, just remember, just say that six feet, you know, the corona virus doesn’t have wings, so it can’t fly. It’s an aerosolized droplet that has to make its way over there. So number one, if you’re afraid of being asymptomatic, you could always wear a mask which will decrease the spread out your mouth. For the most part, you’re only going to have a spread if you’re coughing, right, so if you’re not coughing, a man, you’re not actively sick, you’re more than likely fine, you just keep a six foot distance. And then just make sure if you’re going to interact with someone that could be immune compromised, make sure everything’s washed going in there, washed in between, don’t ever touch something. And then if you’re dealing with that person who’s who’s older, make sure they’re washing in between washing after you leave and, and maybe washing down any counters that you may be near as well. Right, but that’d be the biggest thing. And if you’re really concerned above and beyond worst case, you could you could wear a mask if you’re really concerned, but mask really gonna matter more if you’re healthcare people and you’re interacting with people more, or if you are actively coughing or have a cough that you may not be able to control, right. It’s like a cough sometimes or a sneeze, right? Sometimes that can be hard to control. So if you’re in that category where you feel like it could happen then mass may be smart if you have to interact with that person. But that six feet buffer zone will give you a lot of good things. window, I saw the data if you live in the same house as a person, you only have a 5% increased chance of contracting 5%. So it’s not that much more. And if you use good practices and you’re not sneezing, then it gets even better.

Evan Brand: Yeah, I would just say if you’re somebody who you’re having like tree pollen allergies, and everything’s blooming this time of the year right now, then, and you know, you’re going to be sneezing and you’re not sure if you’re a carrier, then yeah, I think that mass would be smart.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And ideally, if you if that’s the case, I just wouldn’t interact. That’d be even further, just to save that to until things pass. Yeah, yeah. I’ve been using a lot of Instacart for my groceries, and that’s been really helpful because they drop it off. And a couple things you can do is you can do some of the on guard, or feeds essential oil and you can dilute a little bit of that in water and just kind of spray everything. You know, they drop off your groceries, nothing’s really warm in there. You can, you can leave it in the sunlight for like an hour or two and the fresh air will typically kill any viruses as well. And a lot of times the instacart people one they’re wearing masks, and two the You’re actually wearing gloves. So they’re doing a pretty good job on their protocols for picking stuff up. Instacart is going to be a service, that they’ll do the grocery shopping for you. So they’re doing a pretty good job. But if you want to go the extra mile, that’s how you could do it on top of it, I just wouldn’t recommend leaving meats or butter or those kind of things out in the sun, obviously for you know, for common sense reasons. Right. So anything else you want to highlight, Evan?

Evan Brand: No, that’s it. Did you have any other questions that popped up that were relevant? If not, we’ll wrap it up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I mean, it’s a lot of things we could talk about in regards to the immune system and what we could do nutritionally but we’ve done other podcasts on that. So I don’t want to be a broken record. So take a look. See, there’s other podcasts for the references on what to do to boost your immune system up. And we’ll try to put some links down below as well for y’all. All right, Evan, today was great. Hey, if you guys are having immune issues, or you want to be more on the preventative side, or you’re like, Hey, you know, I want to start getting my health better. Now what better what better time then everyone being at home and having a lot more time to start working on these things? So feel free head over to, reach out to Evan. And then Dr. J myself at, feel free, you can click and schedule we’re happy to help you all out. And again, especially during this time, you don’t have to drive to a doctor’s office that could be loaded with lots of you know, flu, other viruses. And this is a great way to start moving forward while you get time.

Evan Brand: Absolutely. We work hundred percent virtually we may not mention that every time but we assume most people figure that out by listening and looking on the website. But yeah, so we send labs to your door, you do those labs, UPS or FedEx picks those up and then returns and back to the lab and then we jump on a call Skype, FaceTime, Zoom, whatever, we then review those and then we make a protocol to get you feeling better. So that’s how we work and we’re very blessed and very grateful for the opportunity and the lab so far. I’ve been doing great with turnaround times. We haven’t seen any lag or delay. We’ve got nutrients that we have stocked up on Justin and I both personally so we’ve got supply which is good. A lot of places are sold out of stuff for immune. So luckily we kind of thought a little bit ahead of the game here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and let us know what you’re doing. comments down below if you got the dreaded Corona let me know what you’re doing with it. If you got other infections right now or you’re feeling sick, let me know your experience, what’s working what’s not. And if you enjoyed this stuff, give us a thumbs up, give us a share, let your family and friends know we really appreciate it. We want to empower everyone here.

Evan Brand: Last note, I saw that one Chinese study that came out that 80% of people that tested positive It was a false positive. So that, that’s why the scratch my head.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I don’t love the idea of the testing because it’s gonna it’s gonna create more numbers and those more numbers are going to create more hysteria, more panic. And I always tell people more numbers actually mean that the virus is actually weaker, because that means the mortality rate actually drops right? But I don’t like the idea that there’s a false positive 50 to 80% of the time. So-

Evan Brand: That’s bad at a maximum 80% false positive. I mean, that is humongous. If we just deleted 80% from the numbers of the cases, I mean, that would that would be unbelievable how different it would look-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then how I how I interpret, that’s a little bit different. How I interpreted is, if you’re around people that could be immunocompromised or are going to be older, go through the extra precautions, whether it’s you quarantine for them. Or you go through extra measures like washing hands, which you should be doing anyway. But maybe you maybe I do gloves, maybe you want to do a mass that you recycle, just to be extra careful, I’m fine with that. Just pretend like you already have it and more for the immunocompromised, more for the elderly. But get sunlight, get some fresh air. If you can leave your house and you’re not in like New York City where things are congested, go in your backyard, get some get some fresh air, get some walk, get some vitamin D, all that stuff’s gonna be great. Don’t be cooped up inside unless you’re of that population risk factor. And you’re in a part of the country where you have to be everyone’s gonna do better getting that fresh air and vitamin D.

Evan Brand: Yeah, and we’re running on your fires like always too. So this would be another good time. If you don’t have air purification, you are trapped inside. Air Purifiers are a good strategy. So we could put some links for that as well. We’ve got a couple of recommendations.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: In our budget and our air purifiers that we’re recommending will filter out viruses. So if you’re in that area and you’re in someone’s home, right crank up that air purifier. That way it’s gonna clean everything out and less chance of getting more exposure. But again, risk factors are going to be pretty low if you’re doing all the right things. 

Evan Brand: Yep. All right, check out the websites if you need help once again, Dr. J. at, me at, we’ll be in touch. Well, take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent everyone. You guys have a good one. Stay safe. Peace. Bye bye.


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Top 5 Strategies to Handle Stress and Fear during the Current Global Health Concern | Podcast #277

Because of current global health concerns, stress is a common thing to most people nowadays because it affects businesses, economy, and so much more. Stress can affect our body negatively, but Dr. Justin and Evan Brand are here to help. Today’s podcast is about conquering fear and stress. Dr. Justin and Evan share strategies on how we handle stress during current events, the herbs or supplements that can help, foods to take and so much more. More on the podcast below.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani

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In this episode, we cover:

0:54     Strategies to Relieve Stress

11:22    Emotional Freedom Technique

16:30   Herbs and Nutrients that Help

21:20   Sauna, Acupressure

28:19   Fresh Goods, Foods for Stress

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there, it’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. Today’s podcast is going to be about conquering fear. In the uncertain times a lot of this has to do with coronavirus in the economy and jobs and people having to be isolated at home. We’re going to talk about some natural strategies. Evan Brand, how are we doing today, man? 

Evan Brand: Hey, man, I’m doing well. I’m looking forward to helping people relax a little bit. My wife and I have discussed that even if you don’t personally freak out. If society around you is freaking out, that kind of rubs off on you. And even if you’re not an empathic person, you could still go into the grocery store and see things wiped out and that could make you feel unsettled, uncertain, so I can’t restock the grocery store shelves. What I hope to do is you and I talk about strategies to help kind of mitigate that stress response and try to turn off that reptilian brain that fight or flight nervous system that’s freaking people out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. I think number one is to stop listening to the mainstream media. That’s like number one. The first thing is you have to get context. And context requires you to take in data. And if people are giving you data that’s skewed or omitting data to push your physiology and your emotions in a certain direction. That’s not good. That’s not good. So my general recommendation is if you are going to listen to the media, you have to compartmentalize things. You have to be able to compartmentalize the emotion, from the facts and from the data from what’s happening. That’s kind of like number one. And if you don’t have that ability to really compartmentalize, you just got to find some more time new sources online that just kind of give you the data and not give you the opinion most news out there is editorialized it’s someone telling you their opinion, and there’s not a lot of facts or evidence behind it. So you really want to look at just the data. So then you can kind of come in there and make a more unbiased, a non biased kind of perspective on it and then find news people that if they’re going to give you their opinion, have it backed by data and then also have context we can talk about context. We’ve talked about this in our pre show. What’s happening today is what’s the context for it, you know, past examples of it. I think we are in uncharted times because the economy just went to hell in a handbasket. There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy. Essentially, everyone just decided to go on furlough for hopefully a couple of weeks because of the virus scare. So there’s nothing fundamentally wrong. This isn’t the 2008 housing crisis where millions and millions of loans were given out to people that couldn’t pay them, right. This isn’t that, okay? This is something totally different is nothing fundamentally wrong. And this too shall pass. So I think at first off regarding the economy, just know nothing fundamentally is wrong, number one. Number two, there’s countries that are doing great out there that had, let’s say, a lot of viral impact like South Korea, South Korea, for instance, is the size of California. I think it’s like 35 million people. So Korea did an amazing job getting through the virus. A lot of I think They had a little bit more common sense tactics because the the virus the corona virus is hitting elderly at a much higher rate. I mean, barely anyone on the younger side is actually passing from it. And then when we can play when we compare flu statistics, it doesn’t even come close yet it will come to a crescendo to a bell curve on this thing. And it will go up a little bit, but it will come back down very soon. And just know just know that with South Korea, they quarantine all the elderly, and they quarantine the sick and the immunocompromised and they kept their economy relatively moving. And I’m hoping that that’s what we’re going to move to in the next couple of weeks here. Right now. We’re just trying to compress that bell curve to decrease our hospitals need and usage from all the people needing vents and support at the same time. So hopefully after this couple of weeks, we’ll have a more common sense approach that can get the economy going. So I’m far more concerned about the economy long term being destroyed, the people being homeless and and not having the utilities or the food or the resource they need to act to be healthy and survive.

Evan Brand: Right. Yeah, that’s a great point. You mentioned how all these statistics that come out are people saying certain things, if they’re not backed up, you don’t want to get to, to fear monger by them. So for example, you’ll look at some of these news articles where they’ll say that they expect X amount of infection and X amount of death. But so far every prediction has been under what it was supposed to be. So if they say a million people are going to get infected, so far, it’s a tiny fraction of that you’ve got 35 million illnesses of the influenza this year, and we’re still counting. You’ve got 35 to 50,000. The numbers aren’t final on the flu. And no one’s blinked at anything. So I just I don’t foresee these numbers getting even close to the numbers of the flu. I guess maybe I’ll be proven wrong. And I’ll go back and look at this interview. And everybody’s gonna say, Wow, Evan was so dumb, he was wrong. But I don’t foresee that big of a spike where we’re going to get to a 50,000 death point.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, I don’t see that either. And again, people will talk and say, Hey, you guys are using reason, logic and evidence and truth but that’s going to create your responsibility. And, and if we’re not creating hysteria, people aren’t going to do the right thing. Well, I reject the premise. I think number one, people need to hear the truth, unbiased, and then actual action steps people can take that are going to empower them. So like number one, we want to have comparison that data. Okay, so first off, what is it last night it was 450 people dead of the corona virus in about three, three and a half weeks. Last week, about 1000 people died of the flu. Okay, thousand people. So let’s keep that in perspective. Let’s go look at past occurrences. Let’s look at the swine flu. Okay, over 100,000 people pass the the swine flu in this country, a million in the world. We didn’t have we did not have a national emergency call for the swine flu until we were six months into it in 1000 people had died. So there’s just not a there’s not there’s no symmetry or parody in how one response is handled versus is the common response. And then number two, if we look at the World Health Organization, the amount of like the statistics and what they say the infection is going to do or kill is always wrong initially. And if we go look at what the recommendations are, what they projected with the swine flu, I think it was like 1.4% death rate, and they ended up revising it down four years later, 2.01% they were off by a factor of 63 X, okay, why? Because when you look at pandemics they have the middle number here is gonna be how many people die. That’s number one. The second number is how many people actually got the virus. Now, this is the hard part. Because in the beginning, we don’t have all this data. We have people that have symptoms, and that test positive. So we know that number, but then the outer data is how many people got it and didn’t get sick. Now according to the head, the head CDC person in Ontario, Canada, forget his name, but he said there’s More than likely 20 x times the amount of people who are getting this infection and showing no symptoms. One study I posted on the YouTube video last week said 86% are asymptomatic. What does that mean? That means about for every one person that has symptoms seven to eight don’t have symptoms. So once you factor in the bigger number that decreases the mortality, right? As incidence goes up, mortality drops, just basic math, right? So we have to know that off the bat, because that’s going to decrease a lot of the a lot of the fear, right? When you know that these pandemics always get rounded down significantly. That’s the trend and the reason why is because pandemic math takes time to do because you need to let the dust settle, and you need to get some testing to figure it out. So my general perspective is right now testing helps with the long term trends but it doesn’t help you get better because you do a test. It doesn’t change anything. Okay? If you high risk quarantine If you have symptoms, quarantine, if not do all the good, healthy social distancing, but still get outside still get air still walk, still get sunlight. If you have a sauna, or you have access to any exercise inside kettlebells or a trx or some kind of in house yoga, do something to get some movement in there. Don’t be you know, don’t just be totally isolated in this time. It’s really important.

Evan Brand: Yeah, well said and I’ve got just a couple more stats I want to mention. And then let’s talk about some of the lifestyle stuff, maybe some herbs and nutrients to help with the nervous system. So our mutual friend say your G. Green Med info, he had a really good article linking to some of these Italian studies that just got published by the National Health Authority in Italy. More than 99% of the coronavirus. fatalities were people already suffering from previous medical conditions. And also more than 75% had high blood pressure issues in 35% had diabetes and at least 30% or more already had heart disease. And the average age of someone passing is 79.5 years old. So 99% they already had previous medical conditions.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and not to mention, because I’m looking at all the data, I look at it multiple times a day and I graph it out so I can understand the bigger trends. The thing with Italy, they’re getting hit a lot harder than other countries. And I sit there I asked the questions Why? Well, number one, the biggest thing that we can do in the beginning is a travel ban. That’s the biggest thing because that just decreases exposure, right? The whole reason why we’re quarantine quarantine is decreasing exposure. That’s essentially a quarantine for a country so to speak. So that was the number one thing that we did that Italy and the rest of Europe didn’t do. Okay. Number two is a lot of smoking, a lot of respiratory potential issues there. A lot of comorbidity, like you mentioned 123 different diseases, a lot of multi generational household living, where kids and parents can pass the infection off to grandparents that may also be living in the same home. Okay, and then also how they are collecting the data in Italy, maybe a little bit off. So essentially, you’re 80 years old and you die of a heart attack, you come in, they test you for Corona virus, they may say that, you know, they may add you to a Corona virus statistic even though you died of a heart attack, because you tested positive with Corona virus. So we have to, you know, hate is that happening is that inflating statistics, so we’re gonna have to look at all the data and compare in the end to see if that is the case or not. And then, um, you know, number two, we’re going to have to also compare flu deaths because in the end, Italy on average at about 25,000 deaths a year because of flu. So a lot. They had 500,000 cases of flu the week of January 20. That’s a lot. And if you look at people dying a flu with comorbidities at point 9% Well, that’s that’s a lot of people potentially dying of the flu. That’s potentially four to 5000 people dying of flu in one week. If they are That higher comorbidity age, right? So a lot of people maybe be taken out by Corona virus that may not be taken out by flu. Does that make sense? So we may be exchanging some Corona virus test for flu deaths, we’ll have to see how it all parses out. So what we’ll do is we’ll look at the overall mortality curve. And we’ll see if that includes all deaths, and we’ll see if that changes at all. See if there’s a spike in that or not.

Evan Brand: Yep, yeah. Well said, All right. Well, let’s move on. Let’s talk about some actual strategies now that we kind of laid the groundwork here. Yep. I think the easiest thing for me that comes to mind which is free is EFT. You and I are both big fans of Emotional Freedom Technique, the tapping technique, you can basically just look up any website. I mean, it’s all the same. There’s a couple different ways people could tap but in general, you’re starting at top of the head side of the eye under the eye, and then you can move on to under the nose, the chin, the clavicle, and there’s different acupressure meridians. Basically what this is, is acupuncture without the needles. It’s amazing. You could create a change in your nervous system. Very quickly is this just some like hippy BS? No, it’s not. I’ve actually put on a heart rate variability monitor, I strap myself up. That’s one time that I use Bluetooth in my life is when I’m strapping a Bluetooth monitor to my chest and I hook it up to my phone with a heart rate variability app and I’ll do three rounds of tapping. And I’ll just think and say something like, I’m calm, I’m calm, I let go, I release my stress, and then boom, the heart rate variability increases, indicating I’m more in a parasympathetic rest and digest state, and it can happen in as little as 30 seconds.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And what I also like about EFT is some people when they’re in a negative perspective, it’s hard to be like, think about what you want. Think about what you want to manifest. That’s hard. So with EFT you can also just talk about the problem. Hey, I’m really stressed over the economy. I’m really stressed with my job. I’m really stressed being inside right now. I’m feeling really isolated. So you can kind of just talk about the problem with yourself while you’re tapping these different meridian points. And it’s helpful because sometimes people just want to Talk about it. And if you don’t have someone to talk about it with, you could just talk to yourself while you hit these meridian points, which then comes down the sympathetic nervous system, which helps you process it better. And then as you come down from it, then I recommend switching like, Hey, you know, I’m attracting health in my life, I’m doing the right things to be healthy. I’m really blessed and fortunate in my health, and you can kind of do some of the Attractor Factor stuff where you focus more on what you want to pull in versus the problem, but it’s hard because if you’re, if the if your nervous system is on edge, you kind of have to calm it down before you can get appreciative and grateful and thankful.

Evan Brand: You’re totally right. I already feel better. I was noticing I was taking some more belly breaths than I was when we first started just after doing that. So the clavicle one. I don’t know why but the clavicle one for me, if you can only do one like if you’re driving the car for some reason, or you just you’re in a place where you’re in panic mode where you can’t think about going through the full motions of the EFT, then even just clavicle. I’m calm. I’m calm, just something like that could be enough to settle You down. And like I said, this is not just something we’re making up. There’s practitioners that they literally only do EFT that goes to show how powerful it is meaning they’re not doing lab testing and supplements and other things that we’re doing. They’re just teaching you to do EFT. And that’s their, that’s their practice. And that is successful. So it does work.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And I’ll tell you, the big thing is bugged me the most right now is the hysteria because I personally don’t think it’s proportionate. And I’m just concerned that the hysteria will go on a little bit too long and have a negative impact on the economy. And I want people to have their jobs and their lifestyle and we’ll support their families I’m more concerned longer term with the economy then this blip we’re going to get through the viral blip no problem. And we should still social distance and anyone that has risk factors should do more in quarantine. But um, yeah, so we have to we have to talk about, you know, what the issues are and then also what strategies are so, you already mentioned the EFT that’s great. Also do something to boost your immune system. Most people are talking about washing their hands and social distancing. That’s the equivalent if you have a income issue like you have, you’re in debt, that’s the equivalent of like cutting down your spending. Great, that’s awesome. You cut down your spending, you curtail your spending. But what about the other side which is increase your income? Hey, let’s do some gigs let’s Uber at night let’s let’s try to make more calls at work let’s try to maybe work harder or think about it differently or apply for a different job meaning we’re trying to get more income in so getting more income in my example, is getting a higher level of immune function.

Evan Brand: And why is that not the headline? Explain to me why you think I mean, okay, if it were so important and and in the media, or whoever’s putting out all these these kind of fear based articles, if they cared that much about the old people or whoever or society? Why would there not be hey, here’s so and so’s top 10 strategies to boost your immune system. Why is that not the top headline? 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I think if it bleeds, it leads, right? Into Solution oriented and it puts you in the driver’s seat and makes you feel good about it. It’s not as much traction not as much clicks. So I think a lot of it you have to understand that there’s money to be made on manipulating your fears and emotion and when you understand that you’re in the driver’s seat. So once you get that perspective, you’re in the driver’s seat. So common sense things and again, these are generalized things. We have people out there that are like well, you have to customize it. Hey, this is not the time for customization. These are good generalized tips. Number one, vitamin D levels, getting them up is adequate. Great study posted this morning on vitamin adequate vitamin D being very helpful to acute respiratory infections. Now again, if you have vitamin D and you take too much of it fine, but you know, most people are low in vitamin D, especially this time of the year. Number two is a lot of the herbs and nutrients we mentioned last week, we can go over them briefly. Astragalus immune boosting, vitamin C is going to be immune boosting and acetylcysteine will help with the lungs and mucus that also decreases viral replicate elderberry kind of works on that neuraminidase pathway and inhibits viral viruses as well. Reishi or medicinal mushrooms, immune boosting, those are just kind of four or five right there. A vitamin A, cod liver oil, really helps with the epithelium and helps improve immune function. What else Evan, do you want to add?

Evan Brand: I would say oral and nebulize glutathione could be helpful, especially if you’re someone who does actually end up with some lung problems. nebulized glutathione can really help to open up that breathing pathway. And I’m not going to say hey, if you’re in the ICU that nebulized glutathione is going to cure you I’m not saying that but am I saying it could be helpful? Absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. And um, if I’m in the hospital man, I’m having them drip IV vitamin C I’m going to have them drip. I’m going to try to have them nebulized glutathione you may not be able to get this done in the hospital so don’t have your own. Try to have your own stack ready ahead of time I have my own nebulizer. I have my own. You know silver I’m ready to nebulize or glutathione if I need right now. I’m just doing knack. That’s enough, but I may do around here. After our call and do some nebulize go to file just to get my levels ready to go. What that does is that up regulates your redox pathways, okay? Your redox pathways are the pathways, they work in your mitochondria and they give off electrons to help stabilize oxidative stress and excess inflammation. So a lot of these infections are going to create inflammation and inflammation is gonna create a whole bunch of issues and can result in pneumonia and and decrease oxygen exchange and all these different things that require a ventilator and antibiotics. So the more we can squelch that fire, right, and support the immune system, because glutathione also modulates the T regulatory cells which help with the immune response. It’s going to help you not even pray, right. We want to be in the 10 to 20 X of people that get sick and have no symptoms. That’s what we want to be.

Evan Brand: Yep, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s important right there too. So let’s just let’s hammer that. 90 plus percent of people that get sick, have no symptoms and get Guess what, you’re probably going to have lifetime immunity. So if we’re if we’re concerned about getting sick, well, why don’t we lead with the information you have a 90% chance of getting the virus and having no symptoms at all and having lifetime immunity? How about that? That’s pretty awesome.

Evan Brand: Yeah, well, you know, what’s interesting to my mom called me because she’s in Las Vegas and Las Vegas is basically shut down, because of all that all the casinos and the industry basically just kind of closed up overnight. And she asked me the question, she said, Evan, I looked up the symptoms, and all I could find were really like fever and cough. So she was asking me, why is everybody saying, well, this many people infected this person tested positive, that person tested positive, as if it’s a death sentence if you get a positive result? And I told her Well, I think what you said was very true, which is what I told her if it bleeds, it leads, the numbers take away from the reality of the symptoms like Senator Rand Paul tested positive. He says he has zero symptoms. He feels perfectly fine. He’s amazing and ready to work. So I just told her that if they try to change the story of Tom Hanks tested positive, but yet he feels great. That does that doesn’t sound very good. That’s not a very good article instead is Oh my god, Tom. Tom tested positive. Here’s what he’s doing, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and I saw a study or information I think by the who and an article over the weekend that 95 to 99% of people that are going in that think they have coronavirus and they get tested. don’t have it. And I heard one anecdote this weekend from a doctor at a hospital in upstate New York. And I’m not sure how true this is a couple but they said yeah, hey, we have over 100 people in our hospital right now that are sick. Not one Corona. They’re all flu, which statistically makes sense. That’s why I’m like, man, I don’t understand if 35 million people are getting flu and, and like 1% of them are hospital. So a lot of people that are coming in from flu, you would think a lot of these hospitals are already occupied with flu, and that we’d be used to that level. So we’ll have to see how All flushes out statistically, I’m really, really peaked. So in general, in general, look at the data and just know you have a much higher chance, especially if you’re under the age of 6570. And you don’t have any respiratory issues, you know? Yeah. All right. And then if you do if you do do all the extra things to help those redox pathways work NAC, vitamin C, etc.

Evan Brand: Yeah, let’s get back to a few other action steps. I think acupressure mats could be very helpful. Yeah, it’s basically like a little piece of foam with a bunch of little plastic, sort of fine needles. Now they don’t actually penetrate the skin. They don’t puncture the skin, but they just sort of rest up against your body so you can lay on an acupressure mat and within five to 10 minutes you get this rush of endorphins and it’s extremely relaxing. You may get goosebumps when it happens but you can feel that parasympathetic response kind of turn on so acupressure mats or something if the massage studio is closed and you can’t go get an in person massage to me. You know if you had your your spouse give you a massage or if you had like a hurricane or some sort of like a massage tool, you know, like a lot of chiropractors offices will carry some of these massage type self massage tools, and then the acupressure mat. I think those are also going to be great just because people when they’re in the fight or flight, they tend to tense up right. So, so now you’re tensing your shoulders and your back. And we’ve got a lot of people that may have fibromyalgia or other issues that are flaring up just due to their bodies being tense from a physical perspective. And then let me piggyback on that. Epsom salt baths are something you could do at home. Now I’ve gotten several emails from some of the local floatation therapy locations. Their water’s always been purified with UV and ozone and hydrogen peroxide and all that. So they’re saying, Hey, we’re still open for business, you could still come in and do a flotation tear therapy where you’re floating in 800 to 1000 pounds of Epsom salt. And that’s very beneficial for the nervous system. But if you’re paranoid or your places are closed, you know, throw a pound or two of Epsom salt at home and that would be very beneficial as well just to calm me down.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and also there are some strategies it’s like with the accent Kind of being on lockdown. It’s like, we can talk about some of them. But if you if with the economy’s closed down, you may not be able to access them. So I’m going to talk about things that I’m doing and then maybe add these to your toolbox for next time. So I have an infrared near sauna far infrared, near infrared. So I’m utilizing that daily to increase my body temperature, the virus does not like higher temperature. Number two with the humidity and the temperature increasing studies that I showed last week in my YouTube videos that the virus doesn’t like it doesn’t live as long as replicated as well. So higher temperatures will be helpful. utilize a sauna, if you can help improve your body temp. I’m also using near and far infrared or near infrared, infrared or red light to help stimulate my immune system as well. So those are big strategies I’m doing on top of that. And then you mentioned the Epsom salts if you have access to Epsom salt, dump a couple of pounds in your bathtub, and instead around float around for 20 30 minutes and really get that parasympathetic system stimulated.

Evan Brand: And here’s one other point to even if you look into the research and you I see conflicting studies on sauna for colds or sauna for flu or viruses or whatever. Even if that’s true, it’s still been proven that sauna reduces overall mortality period. I’ve looked at dozens of studies just on overall mortality, hypertension, all those things that are comorbidities along with these deaths, those situations get improved, meaning if you’re somebody who has borderline hypertension or you do have hypertension, the sauna alone will therefore reduce the blood pressure and therefore that reduces your risk of Corona being a bigger deal if you were to get infected so you can so even if someone you know I’m always thinking devil’s advocate, well Oh, sauna, you know, conflicting studies on the flu Okay, so what it still helps blood pressure, it still helps increase circulation and increases blood flow, those are all beneficial in their own right, even if you remove the possibly conflicting studies on whether it really helps with the virus or not.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 110% 110% So really, really good Intel there on that. There’s a couple of other things you said that I wanted to hit. So we’re talking about the absence Oh, also just really understand the people that are higher highest at risk or senior citizens. Why are they higher at risk? Right? It’s not just because they’re older. They’re higher at risk. Okay. Number one, older people have what? Less hydrochloric acid. What does that mean? They’re not going to have the ability to digest certain minerals, magnesium, zinc, they’re not going to have enough of the the digestive nutrients to break down fatty acids. So part of the reason why elderly people have weaker immune system it’s not. It’s not rocket science, a lot of the amino acids like glutathione precursors and nak and vitamin A and these minerals like zinc and selenium, and magnesium that are important for their immune function. They’re just so low in it. So if you’re at home and you’re in your eating, make sure your diet is pristine, get extra water mineral with minerals in it. Take a high quality multi vitamin supplement get extra cod liver oil and fish oil. Eat high quality meat like do your best to make sure your diet is perfect right now because part of the reason why the elderly are so affected is because there’s compound interest so to speak, right compounding bad habits working against them. And you have compounding nutrient deficiencies getting worse into their 60s and 70s and 80s. And now their immune system is compromised because of it.

Evan Brand: Yep well said and you know when my wife and I were at the grocery now granted if we go somewhere like Whole Foods, there’s generally going to be healthier options, but you could still buy unhealthy crap at Whole Foods. You can’t go buy tons of sugars and chocolate chip cookies and graham crackers and and all that stuff was wiped out. So I know people are trying to focus more on like your non perishable items but you want to try to think about more healthy non perishable choices so maybe like some grass fed beef jerky. I’ve got some bison jerky, I’ve got elk meat, I’ve got all sorts of different various nuts and seeds mixes, pumpkin seeds and things. like that so just because it you have to think. And I don’t even know if I don’t see so far I read that. Los Angeles, for example, is working really hard to make sure that no power interruptions of the electrical grid happen at all. So you kind of don’t have to think, nonperishable, you should be fine to be good fresh items

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: should be good. Like for me, lots of collagen, amino acids, lots of coconut oil, so I can always lean on those amino acids and fats. And then you can always buy a whole bunch of cans of lentils. I don’t love them, but they’re at least they stay around a while. So if you want to buy a couple dozen cans of that, just for more peace of mind is worst case scenario, have a backup plan. But if not, we can. There should be no shortages right now, thank you to the truckers in our country and the supply chain is still intact. There’s nothing wrong with the supply chain. So there shouldn’t be an issue with that just people be smart. No, go buy two, two months of toilet paper at one time because the supply chain can’t handle that much demand at once. So people if you’re out there, just cut by a reasonable amount and hopefully stores will start setting limits on x people are just one store yesterday guy came in and bought all toilet paper in one store at one time. It’s just crazy. I don’t get it.

Evan Brand: Yeah here locally, they’ve there’s pretty much signs on everything. You can only buy two of these for these like Whole Foods was maxing you out at four bags of frozen vegetables and for basically four of everything was butter, butter. I think you could only buy two packs of butter at a time. But here’s the thing-

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that’s another great a great, great calorie source a buy a bunch of sticks of butter if you can, because dense calories, a lot of fat soluble vitamins. You don’t need a lot of it.

Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I’ll give my daughter a half tablespoon or a tablespoon of butter and she’ll love it. I mean, it’s it is super super fuel. So if you’re thinking non perishable, though, I saw no shortage of beef jerky, grass fed meats that were dried out. Epic bars are something that we’ve talked about before I buy a company called mission meats. they’ve treated me really well. They have like Turkey sticks and things like that you can have so There are and then also, let’s just say you do get a bunch of berries, you could you could freeze them if you needed to if you’re like, Okay, I bought these, you know, four pounds of berries now they’re gonna go bad, okay freeze them like it’s nothing wrong with having a freezer full of blueberries.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% and then we’ve already done podcasts on what to do when you get sick and to prevent sickness. We’ve done in the last two weeks different podcasts on that topic, and I have an article on what to do when you get sick. Part One, part two. So we’ll just kind of reference those four the more in depth information and if you guys are aware of it and you digest it and you listen to it, that’s going to empower y’all and then in the future, we’ll make sure you know you’re stocked up have a little bit of extra nutrients and immune support coming into the holiday season. So absolutely, man. Anything else you want to highlight today, Evan?

Evan Brand: I could go I could go on and on with some of the stressor stuff. Ah ashwagandha is very helpful. There’s many different benefits for it. But ashwagandha is particularly beneficial in this time. Lemon holy basil, holy basil as well. I love holy basil. I feel great. On it holy basil would be another great strategy right now for the nervous system. Lemon balm is awesome mother wart is another good favorite calming herb of mine passionflower could be very helpful if you get into kind of a panic attack mode passionflower could really settle you down so if you’re in like full bump panic, I don’t know maybe a news article triggers you or you see a video or something triggers you Okay, let’s say you’re in crisis mode. top five things I would do number one, start running your Epsom salt bath. If you could throw in maybe a couple drops of some lavender essential oil into your bathtub as well turn on some classical music start listening to that put on like a nice organic with candle without fake fragrance in it. Go ahead and start tapping I’m calm I’m calm even though I have this anxiety I deeply love and accept myself. Yep, take a shot a passion flower. Get you a magazine you know I you know I bought my daughter like a magazine all about dogs she just loves look at the pictures of the dog. Find something that takes your mind off it if you go hop in a bath with Epsom salt you’re playing classical music If you took a shot of passion flower and maybe you’re drinking some chamomile tea, I think you’re going to be settled down pretty darn quick.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think you will be to 100% and then also I’m just kind of have a list of things that you can you can go to if you do get sick, so then you have that list already ready to go. Also, melatonin has been shown with this virus to be very helpful at supporting it something the virus interacts with the melatonin receptor at some way and the melatonin seems to be supportive. So if you’re having a hard time winding down at night, I’m okay with you know, one to three milligrams of melatonin before bed, they kind of get your nervous system at ease plus melatonin does drop down cortisol so acutely, I’m fine with a little bit higher dose on this just to help with your immune system and to help with the virus.

Evan Brand: Yeah, well, Melatonin is a super powerful, powerful antioxidant as well. So I think that’s got a side benefit too. So yeah, I think that’s a great, great idea.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Anything else you want to highlight?

Evan Brand: No, that’s it. We’re still available. We’re still running full time here. So if somebody needs to reach out even if it’s just for this kind of urgent Hey, I need help type situation you can feel free to reach out to Justin at for a consultation via phone. You don’t have to be anywhere you could be sitting on your couch talking with him or me is my website. And we’re happy to help Of course we’re wanting to just build up our clients in general meaning get you with hell as healthy as possible. So you have the least amount of risk now, but we’re also doing a few tweaks and other strategies to implement like the air purifiers those can kill viruses or knockout viruses to them. So So air purification, water purification, all the stuff we always talk about, it still counts.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 100% Yeah, and if people want to reach out, a lot of people are restricted because of the situation not going out and such as much. We’re available virtually all over the world. So feel free to head over to or and reach out. Put your comments down below. Let me know your thoughts on things. What are you doing, what aren’t you doing? And how’s your health in general? I want to know strategies that you’re using to help keep you healthy right now. That’s that’s making a difference. Anything else Evan?

Evan Brand: Yeah, last thing, and I’m opening a can of worms at the end. So I apologize. But keep in mind that 80% of your immune system or more is, is in your gut. And so if there is something going on bacterial overgrowth, Candida, parasites, things like that, I’m not going to say, quote, you’re more at risk. But I would just say that it would be good to get those gut infections and other issues addressed if you can try to gain the upper hand on those, reduce your stress bucket, reduce your toxin bucket, and that would include those infections.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And let’s shift our thinking to if I say you have a 1% chance of dying, that kind of stresses you out a little bit. But if I say, hey, you have a 99% chance of surviving, it is a different physiological response. I think you feel a little bit better when you focus on the 99% number, would you agree? I would totally agree and that affects your cortisol levels and your cortisol impacts your immune system. So try to look at everything and spin it into your favor, not saying you lie to yourself. I’m just saying you look at everything in a way that empowers You versus disempower you?

Evan Brand: Yeah, think about Okay, I just read this article do I feel better or worse after reading it? I feel worse Okay, what can I do to feel better because feeling worse is not going to help me I’m still in the same situation. I’m still in the same boat. I still have to go through my daily routine, put my pants on feed myself take care of my family. So what can I do to take that away? Okay, I’m going to focus on Hey, vitamin C. I will I’m gonna go drink some vitamin C or pop a couple cups. Okay, you know what, I feel a little better. Maybe I’ve reduced my risk by 5% great. I feel good focus on the positives. It’s it’s easy to forget.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent, Evan. Hey everyone. If you guys enjoyed this Sharing is caring. Give us a thumbs up a like a comment, share it to family or friends that can benefit we really appreciate it. You guys. Have a good one. We’ll be back and I’ll be doing live q&a this week. So make sure you tune in for more great Intel. You guys take care.

Evan Brand: Take care. Bye bye.


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