Tips for a Healthy Pregnancy – Dr. Justin Live Podcast #153

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand dive into a discussion about having a healthy pregnancy. Gain some valuable information as they talk about nutrition, diet and lab tests before and during pregnancy.

Learn how different factors such as estrogen dominance, autoimmune  diseases, toxic substances and nutrition issues affect fertility. Find out about In Vitro Fertilization (IVF), understand the reason why some people choose this option of conceiving and discover some of the natural solutions and recommendations to health-related and nutrition issues that hinder people from having a natural and healthy pregnancy.

 Tips For A Healthy Pregnancy

In this episode, we cover:

11:08   Factors affecting fertility 

21:36   Food sensitivities and miscarriages

25:00   In Vitro Fertilization

35:14   Blood sugar in pregnancy

36:08   Thyroid issues in pregnancy

 

 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani YouTube channel

 


 

 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live here. Dr. J in the house with Evan. Evan, how you doin’ man? How’s your day goin?

Evan Brand: Life is good. How are you doin’?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. The first podcast officially as a dad—feels really good and really rewarding. Little bit sleep deprived and my wife is taking the brunt of it, but I’m doing my best to uh— be a supporting about— a very supportive husband providing all the nutrition she needs, cooking all her meals. We got a little fridge right outside the baby’s room put upstairs. And I got—it’s stuffed with bone broth, Kombucha, sparkling mineral water, uh— filtered water electrolyte and hence, she’s got a handful of meals. Paleo meals I already prepared. She’s got some really good healthy snacks. She gets some collagen smoothies and shakes up there, so I got her like stock up some. My goal is to try to feed the baby uh—kinda proxy, right? getting all the nutrition she needs and therefore, she could take it in as easy as possible and then provide the best nutrition for the baby.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely, man. Well, congratulations. I’m super happy for you. It’s been a— been a long time coming. When you’re waiting for stuff like this, a day feels like a week and a week feels like a year, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And the baby’s name is Aiden Raymond Marchegiani. And Aiden means little fire, so. The boy— we’re really, really stoked to have him and we’re just trying to provide him as much nutrition as possible. He was in the NICU for a day and a quarter. Maybe two days, let’s just say. He had a slight collapsed lung birth. He was doing great and then as soon as the cord was cut, which we’re trying to delay clamping as much as possible—but it’s a C-section, right, so like you know while the baby’s got the cord attached, you know, mom’s open bleeding, right, so with the weighing out the benefits—

Evan Brand: Ahh..

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Normally we’d wait ‘til that cord with pulse turn til it’s white. You know, go white and such, which maybe 10 minutes or so. We didn’t quite have that luxury, so, you know, we framed it out with the OB. Had a time we delayed as long as we could, and as soon as that cord was cut, he crashed. His O2 suction levels dropped. They put a  C Pap on him. They got his O2 up; they run a chest x-ray and right after there’s a slight collapsed lung. But in a day and a quarter, day and a half—healed.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So he was super, super resilient. And we just—you know, we have to contribute the fact that my wife’s nutrition and sleep and all that stuff was just really great during her pregnancy. And that probably attributed to his resilience.

Evan Brand: I’m glad it all worked out.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And you guys are home safe.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean the NICU docs were pretty—I think very shocked. They were telling me if we could be in there up to three weeks. And she was like, two days.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So it was pretty great to see that.

Evan Brand: So the people are probably like, “what happened?” you know, “You guys talk so much about holistic self why a C-section? Do you care to elaborate some of that?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. Let’s talk about that. I’ve talked about it in other podcast, in other episode, but people may not listen everything, so will kinda make it so it all connects. My wife had a large fibroid removed about a year and a half ago— about the size of a baby’s head. There’s a very big fibroid. She’d taken birth control pills for 15 years, you know, in her late teens into her early 30s.

Evan Brand: You think that might have caused it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that’s a contributing factor if you listen to my podcast with Dr. Horwitz, he’s a fibroid expert and he says that you know, estrogen dominant states can definitely drive fibroid growth. There’s not a lot of research on it. I don’t think there’s gonna – there’s gonna be a lot of motivation to do a lot of research on it, but we know estrogen dominance can cause things like fibroids to happen. And then the question is, what can drive estrogen dominance, right? We know stress drives it. we know, you know, estrogens drive it. We know phyto estrogens, right? We know low progesterone states can drive it. We also know birth control pills can drive estrogen dominance, right? So it’s the milieu, the hormonal milieu. And also, just not getting pregnant. Getting pregnant later in life can also drive it because when you get pregnant, you’re really driving a progesterone dominance state. And then breast feeding, right, you’re keeping progesterone levels really high, too. So my wife got pregnant at age 40 and we decided that to get the fibroid removed just because one, it was so big and number two, we just have a smaller fertility window.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The fertility window’s a lot smaller and we can get that fibroid removed we can get pregnant like that. And again, her hormones are that of a young 30 year old woman. So we had done work with her, helping her hormones, PMS, all that was really good. Her hormones were that of someone 10 years younger. She just had this big fibroid which acted like an IUD, right?

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Intra Uterine Device which basically just— imagine this fibroid there just sucking up blood flow so that when an egg comes in, it’s not gonna be able to stick because there’s not enough blood flow to sustain it, right? So soon as that fiber was removed, we get pregnant. Two weeks after it was removed. And the doctor was like, “Okay, you know, you can try.” But he’s kinda not expecting much. But as soon as we tried the first time, we got pregnant. And yeah, we actually uhm— lost that baby but it was a blighted ovum. So none—is really a baby. There was no like heartbeat or anything, which is the sack but we lost it which was tough, but you know, we just kind of attribute it to the fact that she’s went to a major surgery, right? She was under general anesthesia. She’s on pain meds. Probably wasn’t the best time to try to get pregnant. We only did because the doctor said it would be okay. But as soon as you know, that— the hCG dropped and she got her period back, we tried again and then we got pregnant. So uh—that’s the baby we had now, Aiden, so, we’re very stoked. So the reason why we had to do the C-section, coming back, is because the incision was along the posterior section of the uterus which had kinda weaken the uterus which had her increase her chance of a uterine rupture. And because of that increased chance of a uterine rupture—the uterus rupture is you know baby and mom can die. So they had to pull the baby out four weeks sooner week 36 just to ensure that uterus wouldn’t rupture. It’s only a 1% chance but you know we spoke to midwives and OBs and no one recommended— no one would even do a natural birth.

Evan Brand: Oh, wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just because of the liability was so high. But I was able to watch the whole entire surgery. And I literally—you know, they her uterus in her hand and I was like, “Hey, can you look at the backside?” This is after the baby was born. They turn at the backside. “How’s the posterior incision? Let’s look at it.” And she was like lookin’ at it, “I can’t even see an incision.” So the uterus healed up so strong and what I attribute that to is I have my wife on the Tru Collagen every day. She was doing about 30 g of collagen every single day. And I know that those collagen, amino acids had to— made a huge difference in helping to provide extra building blocks to the— to her uterus to heal up. But they couldn’t even see an incision to the back.

Evan Brand: Well, also, you mentioned she had no stretch marks, too, which is a pretty remarkable testimonial.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. She had no stretch marks. Again, the baby came four weeks early so some women will say, “the stretchmark comes that last 2 to 4 weeks” But again, in my opinion a lot of people are getting a lot of their protein from muscle meats which is, you know, still good. But, again, collagen is gonna be connective tissue protein. That’s ligaments, tendons, cartilage, hide skin, right? So you’re getting a lot more building blocks that are gonna help the connective tissue and the skin. And a lot of what’s happening with the stretching of the skin and the fascia and all that tissue is gonna be connective tissue-based. So I think that providing one, lots of healthy fats and two, providing all the extra collagen peptides really help number one, her uterus heal, number two help the skin heal and number three, I also think it will help uhm—the breast. A lot of women, their breast tissue kinda gets flattened and kind of, you know, really just kind of uhm—just flattened a bit. Maybe the breast will start sagging and hanging and such after a long time of breastfeeding. I think the connective tissue support will also help the integrity of the breast tissue as well.

Evan Brand: Ahh.. That’s interesting.t I believe that there’s probably gonna be benefits. I mean, I wonder if we compared standard American women compared to hunter-gatherer women. Like what was the difference in their skin quality probably huge difference coz the hunter gatherers eating the marrow and the collagen and the bones and doing more stuff than typical women do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean if you look at some of the anthropomorphic kind of research, like they talk about literally taking the organs and like harvesting them. And the organs would be like literally given to the women that were fertile, that were trying to get pregnant because they knew the organs were incredibly, you know, nutrient dense. And there’s also research to these women like would literally give birth uhm— that— that day and be back out on the field later on that day or that next day working.

Evan Brand: Wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s crazy, right? I mean they probably had a lot less stress in her life, too, right?

Evan Brand: True.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very, very little stress, but still uhm— it’s amazing what the body is capable of doing. So that is kinda like my back stories that just kinda summarizing uh—history of fibroid and there are natural ways to reduce fibroids and I’ve seen them reduced and it help with those kind of situation in the past. We just—we’re dealing with the time window, right? And if a woman’s like in her 20s or early 30s and has a few years, hey, that may be a good thing to try, but in my opinion, uhm— you know, if you’re up against a pregnancy window, getting it surgically removed is good. But if you listen to my interview Dr. Horwitz he said women that he’s removed the same fibroid three times. So what does that tell you? That just because you remove a fibroid, that does not fix the underlying issue of why that fibroid is growing anyway, right?

Evan Brand: That makes sense. So the birth control, for example, could’ve been one thing. There gotta be an insulin components, my guess.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s probably an insulin component, too, for sure. There’s probably toxicity component too, right? Coz a lot of toxins are estrogenic compound.

Evan Brand: Yup. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So there’s some of that. So we’re trying to do our best to support all that and again one, of the protocols will be doing is using some systemic-based enzymes or peptidase etc. to really help. She has one tiny fibroid still there. It’s in around the fallopian tube. The fallopian tubes is so patent. So it’s still open and I literally was like, you know, you’re yellin’ at the OB, “Hey, can you check out her left fallopian tube. How does it look?” She’s like, “Oh, that little, tiny fibroid—like you know, half of the fingernail, still there in the fallopian tube, but it’s not growing. So, you know, our goal is we’re gonna try to work on dissolving that one naturally uhm—you know, over the next few years.

Evan Brand: That’s amazing. So when it had to be cut out, you can just go in there with tweezers and yank it off or something, it’s not that easy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. The fallopian tube’s kinda—you could, but you’d compromise the fallopian tube.

Evan Brand: Oh, wow!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And the fallopian tube is still open, so it doesn’t make sense. She had one little, tiny fibroid actually uhm— there at the incision site, where they cut the uterus to deliver the baby. So actually, she got two for one. They removed that little baby fibroid at the incision.

Evan Brand: Wow! Did you see that? What did it look like?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I mean, it’s just—I got pictures of it, but uh—yeah, it’s just like a little, like mini golf ball.

Evan Brand: Really? And what—what’s the texture of it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s kinda like uh—fibrous.

Evan Brand: Oh, that makes sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So like uhm—I’m trying to think of a consistency— it’s just— it’s dense but it’s a slight bit of squishiness to it, but it’s still—

Evan Brand: Yeah. That makes sense. That’s amazing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Almost like a tennis ball-like consistency.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But it’s still pretty firm.

Evan Brand: Yup, I understand.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So that’s kinda like the back— the back history on myself and my wife but when you’re looking at fertility, right, we look at a couple of things. Number one: How are the hormones, right? How are the hormones? Number two: How—how are the pipes, right? Are the fallopian tubes open? How’s the endometrial lining? Is it—is it okay for something to be able to, you know, implant there. And then number three: is we look at the dad.

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How’s the sperm count, motility, morphology. I was actually, really has no problem at that moment—that I was rock solid on all those numbers. So I felt very, very good about that.

Evan Brand: See that’s the problem, you know, You and I worked with so many— so many women. Primarily, men aren’t coming to us for fertility issues, but they have to come on board because it’s part of the equation. And a lot of these women that we speak with, the men, they just have a terrible diet. So we may put the mom or the future mom on AIP, but then the dad is still eating ice cream and pizza. And then they end up at the—in the—what do they call it, the vitro fertilization doctors, who want to spend what? 10-12-15 grand. But they may be unnecessary in most cases if we get the dad straightened out as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly. I mean, a lot of times, you know, what’s gonna affect the fertility is number one: having a nutrient poor diet; not having enough high-quality nutrients like zinc and arginine and healthy fats and proteins. And then also uhm— mitochondrial support coz sperm needs mitochondria to move or needs a healthy mitochondrial nutrients to be able to the kind of propel it, so to speak, right? So we have to make sure a lot of the good mitochondrial support there. And then we’re just not putting a bunch of toxins in there, right? Like we’re avoiding the plastics, we’re avoiding the pesticides, the chemicals, the round up, the glyphosate—all these compounds that are not gonna be so good for it.

Evan Brand: Yeah. The endocrine disruptors like you mentioned, like the plastic, so getting men and women off of Tupperware. I guess, by the way, if you haven’t figured out, this topic we’re— we’re talking about fertility today. Since Justin and I are both dads and our wives are both moms. This is a good topic for us. We’ve had first-hand experience on. So this is not theory and there’s also some science behind what we talk about. But that the endocrine disruptors that can cause things like the PCOS, which a lot of women that come to us, they’ve had PCOS. Previously are there—they’re trying to get help in reversing PCOS. That can be a huge, huge hormonal function disruptor that can affect fertility. So we’ve got to get rid of the the plastics. Plastic straws are a big one because your saliva, you know, my opinion, you’re breaking down that plastic a bit and you’re absorbing some of the— the phthalates in the plastic softeners when you’re chewing and using straws as toothpicks, that’s not a good one. Also, you’ve got flooring, too, like vinyl flooring. So if you’re walking barefoot on a vinyl floor, that’s typically gonna have phthalates in it. You’ve also got issues with the men as well. They’re just as susceptible to exposure to phthalates and other type of toxins. You mentioned pesticide so definitely going organic. If someone’s a mom, a lot of times women they’ve already had her first kid but they wanna have another kid and they are coming to you or I would see that a lot, too. You know,  I tell a lot of moms have got to stay away from a lot of the playgrounds because they use the rubber tires, the recycled tire playgrounds and those are very, very toxic and I’ve measured moms with the GPL tox chemical profile test from Great Plains and they’ve got the rubber toxins off the chart. And I say, “where are you playing?” And they say, “Oh, we go to one of those playgrounds with the recycled rubber tires” And that stuff is just super toxic or let’s say the mom has a kid who started sports, my God, I work with the woman last week who lived in London, and her child he was off the charts himself. So we haven’t tested mom yet, but we tested the kid coz we’re working more with him than her. And the kid was off the charts with 2,4-D— the agent orange chemical that they used in Vietnam. And I said you know, “Where are you guys playing?” And she goes, “Oh, he plays soccer” I said, “Is that football or soccer?” Coz she call it football. So is that football football or is that soccer?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Evan Brand: And so she’s on the field with this kid multiple times a week. In the field, just sprayed, I’m sure, pounds and pounds and pounds of glyphosate and 2,4-D

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean I kinda go back and forth, what’s worse, right, being on the artificial turf stuff or being on the grass? Coz you know the grass has given a whole bunch of chemicals, right?

Evan Brand: I Know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I—for me, and again, how many research? I’m just—a lot of what I do is common sense and based clinically.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz I probably rather be on the synthetic turf grass because at least you know it’s not being spray with round up.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: ..and pesticides all the time.

Evan Brand: I know. I don’t think they spray anything. One other thing about men, you know, when we’re talking about fertility for men, sperm quality. Heavy metals is huge. Mercola had an article about infertility where he was talking about how men are much more susceptible to issues in their fertility with heavy metals than eggs. So the eggs in the female were less affected by heavy metals and other pollutants than men. So that’s pretty interesting. A lot of guys have metal amalgams in their mouth. So we may— I’ve not personally had to go that far with any of my clients but what would you say? Would you say that could be a possible step? Does the man have to— may have to get a amalgam removal is done?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean I think that’s definitely an option. If we’re seeing elevations in heavy metals—anytime I have someone a male with fertility issues, once the diet’s good and we’ve eliminated toxin exposure, then it’s about what nutrients can we add to enhance sperm quality, and then what things can we add to enhance detoxification.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Maybe phase I or phase II detoxifying nutrients and maybe things to help push the heavy metal binding. So again, I’d wanna look at all that and if we’re seeing high levels of metals, and we know Mercury’s there, and then we’re seeing the person also the history of fillings— heavy metal fillings and then we wanna get that removed.

Evan Brand: Tapwater. Gotta have a good clean water that the person is drinking. We talked about the— the phthalates. So the xeno estrogens—coz that’s gonna affect the males.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So if the male is more like a woman, you know, he’s got a lot of excess breast tissue and things like that, and we can assume, “okay you’ve probably got some estrogen problems” So just like you mentioned about females. Same thing for men, it could be an estrogen dominance problem.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And we can look at that from two perspectives. I did a video called the “Hormone Switch” I recommend everyone to take a look at that. Will try to put links below for the “Hormone Switch” But when men’s blood sugar’s off, when they start moving into a direction of insulin resistance, they increase this enzyme called aromatase, which causes the hormone to switch. It will cause their testosterone to go more towards estrogen. And we see that quite frequently. And again, one of the best thing get one of the best thing you can do is put on more muscle. That will make you more insulin sensitive. A high intensity training type of regimen where you’re doing like a long, slow movement to get muscle activation or to get HGH, where you’re doing interval stuff. That’s gonna help significantly get the blood sugar under control and get the inflammation under control. A lot of these stuff, we always go back to the foundation coz we know there are people that are new that are listening every day so we don’t want to assume that the foundation is there. And all of our patients that listen, you know, listeners they get that. We kinda feel like a broken recored, but just to emphasize for new listeners.

Evan Brand: Yeah. We wanna get rid of dairy. I mean that’s gonna be huge on the diet piece. We’re talking about or talk about stabilizing blood sugar; we’re getting refined carbs out; were getting sugars out, but dairy, too. You know, depending on what piece of research you look at, that could be 60 to 70% of the estrogens consumed is coming from dairy, especially these cows that are not organic. So for us, the dairy is always gonna come out. Organic veggies are always good come in, organic fats, your nuts, your seeds, your vegetables. Unless the woman has some type of like Hashimoto’s problem which that can complicate things with fertility. Sometimes if there’s a thyroid issue, but let’s just assume that the person can do a good quality butter, can do some nuts, some seeds, maybe a little game meat even. That’d be cool. If we could get the mom eating some—some deer, or some type of game organ meats, or sardines.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand:..or other home-cooked, home-sourced wild turkey, which we have ton of turkeys here. Those are awesome, too. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like local fish is an option here in Kentucky. I was reading the report by the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife. They said that most of the fish are toxic here, unfortunately. With the— with high levels of mercury. So they set for people wanting to get pregnant or pregnant people should avoid the fish, which kinda sucks.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Actually when it comes to the fish component, uhm—I have an article that I give my patients but really, it comes down to number one: trying to get the wild—you know, the wild Alaskan or like some kind of flash frozen, kinda wild fish, I think is great, is ideal. But it’s looking at the selenium to mercury ratio. Because fish are going to have a little bit mercury. The question is, “Is there enough selenium to combat it?” Because the selenium is the natural chelator of mercury. So just try to choose high selenium to mercury ratio fish. So skip Jack tuna. It’s gonna be the best type of fish off the bat uh—cod, haddock, sole, halibut. Those things are good. I have a good article in my member’s area for my patients. But if you just google like “high selenium to mercury ratio fish” you’ll get a nice list there.

Evan Brand: Uh—cool. I love cod, haddock. Those are awesome. I had something pulled up. I was trying to see I may have lost it, but just mentioning the link between food sensitivities and also miscarriages. Basically what happened is the link between having some type of allergenic reaction, you’ve got the cytokines that are basically suppressing the killer cells.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Evan Brand: But when the immune system is off, the body can accidentally attack the egg. So basically, long story short, it sounds like just searching, investigating and finding out for food intolerances, which we’re gonna push most people into kind of a Paleo template as the starting place. Probably no grains, but at least no gluten, no dairy as a starting place. Will probably gonna rule a lot of those food intolerances out within the first month.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Even push to autoimmune shtick as well. I know you kinda talk about a deer. That’s good when you’re doing autoimmune shtick, but I think adding at least back in the ghee and definitely the butter, as long as you can tolerate it, as long as like, there my patients are following the reintroduction protocol, which is adding the food back in over a three-day period. Gently increasing the amount as long as no negative reactions that’s fine coz you know, butter butyric acid’s a 1:6 uhm— carbon fatty acids. So it’s a medium chain triglycerides, so to speak, right? It’s very short chain length. It’s four carbons or six carbons, but it’s a really good fat; it’s a lot of nutrition, a lot of vitamin K which is really, really good for fertility uhm— so that’s uh—excellent fat as long as you can tolerate it, I think that’s great.

Evan Brand: And other bad things, too, like alcohol.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Of course. Like alcohol number one: it’s a toxin. Again, in moderation maybe okay but number two: it gets metabolized to sugar. So if you have a little bit insulin resistance or blood sugar stuff, that can be a stressor. Again there’s ways to hack it by just using higher-quality alcohol and by timing it with protein and a little bit of fat uh—with your meals. It can slow down some of the absorption but you know, for a time period, if you have health issues, cutting it out for a month or two maybe a good idea to start with. And then choosing some of the drier, you know, white wines or drier champagne or Presecco or doing a really clean tequila or really clean vodka. Again, my Dr. J Moscow mules is one of my go-to’s  use with uh—Tito’s vodka and the ginger Kombucha and some lime. Or I just do a really good like Sean Don or like a really good brewed Presecco, very dry. I like the bubbles. Bubbles are uhm—you know the uh— the seltzer or like the CO2 carbonation. The bubbles are actually—there is actually research studies where they increase alcohol absorption with the bubbles. I was reading one study. I was like, “Damn, I love  to be in the study.” Like— you know, 15 years ago when I was in college, they were like, “ Yeah. We had a group of college kids and we gave one group alcohol and one group alcohol with you know carbonation and soda water.” I’m like, “that’s a great study for college.” Right? I know like, yeah, the group that got the carbonation with their alcohol uhm—you know, felt the effects, felt the intoxication effects or the buzz, you know, the so-called buzz effects sooner. So there’s some research with the carbonation in there helping to absorb the alcohol. So what does that mean, right? It means you’re a cheaper date.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You— less of it to get that same buzz, which means less toxicity on the liver. So that’s why like add the bubbles in there, that’s better. And you get that with my Dr. J Moscow Mule. Uh—you can do it as well with my Norcal margarita and we just you know, do a little bit of soda water in there when you can also do a really dry Sean Don or brewed Prosecco kinda drink there.

Evan Brand: Perfect. Let’s talk about IVF just for a minute. A lot of people and you know, the in vitro fertilization is like the first step if they are struggling. Diet, lifestyle, stopping smoking, which is insane. My wife had some friends that she’s not friends with them anymore because they’re just there were not good people overall. So we— we cut them out. They were too toxic in many ways.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Emotionally and physically, smoking cigarettes around her when she was pregnant, all sorts of crazy stuff. So we got rid of them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s hard for someone to truly be emotionally balanced and healthy if they’re not physically healthy because the mind-body connection is just— it’s so strong, right?

Evan Brand: I know. Uhm—so anyway— but these people that used to be her friends.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand: The guy, the dad, they were struggling with years. I think they were in their early 30s. They were struggling for years. They still do not have a child to this day. The guy was drinking beer almost every weekend, daily smoking of cigarettes, Mountain Dew’s. But yet they went to an in vitro fertilization doc and they were gonna spend 10 or 15,000 for the therapy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: It’s just insane. You’re not addressing the root cause.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, you’re not. I mean, typically the first, you know, thing they’re going to do is they’re gonna do some kind of Clomid or FSH stimulating drug. The core goal of that is to increase the eggs, increasing amount of eggs, right? So they’ll do like Clomiphene Citrate or some kinda Clomid and then depending on sperm quality. If the sperm count is low, they may do IUI which is like intrauterine insemination kinda fancy turkey baster.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The sperm up and they may wash it and stuff and pick the best ones and then they’ll inject it right into the uterus. So then there’s no journey of these guys have to— the sperm cells have to make to get up there, right? Coz if they’re a little bit more mitochondrial depleted, or they don’t have good mor—motility, like they’re not moving in the right direction or their shapes not good. They may not be able to make the journey. So the whole idea is to use that uhm—artificial turkey baster. You can get it right there, so their journey is shorter, right? You’re cutting their journey down by 80% and then they’re stimulating the heck out of the eggs. That’s the first step. And the next step is full IVF which is they’re basically giving you drugs like Lupron to shut down your HP AG access, you know, your hypothalamus pituitary axis, And they’re gonna give drugs to stimulate FSH. Uh—they’re gonna give drugs to then manipulate ovulation. And then they’ll probably give some kind of uh—progesterone afterwards to help hold the implantation of the egg. That’s pretty much the cookbook. There are new medication that comes in—Gonal-F, Follistim, Lupron. All these different drugs may be used uhm—but the goal is kinda the same— stimulate, you know, egg production, enhance ovulation, help hold onto uhm— progesterone levels so the eggs stick better.

Evan Brand: Well, I remember seeing a picture. I think it’s a picture of my wife that showed me where this couple had had hundreds of vials— like an entire couch or an entire floor full of vials that were daily injections, I believe, for that whole process. Which this is one: it’s expensive; two: that just doesn’t sound very fun; and three: in a lot of cases, I don’t have any numbers. I’m not gonna make up a number on the spot, but in so many cases, if you just address diet, lifestyle infections, thyroid health, adrenal health, you’re doing the fatty acids like you talked about, the collagens, your zincs and selenium’s, and your natural folate’s, and your vitamin C, and your omega-3’s, it’s like that’s a prescription that’s gonna have far higher success rate and it’s gonna be virtually free because you have to eat to survive. So you’re going to be eating all these good things, anyway.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. And we do things like chase tree and tribulus to modulate LH and FSH. So like that will modulate FSH; the tribulus will modulate LH with chase tree. And these are things that help talk—help the brain talk to the end gonads, you know and create stimulate the follicle or help the progesterone, right? So will do that with some herbs. We can always c_  augmentation protocol where we put estrogen—I’m sorry—progesterones in there, right? at certain times of the cycle, day 15-27. We can even add in some uterine supporting herbs like maca, m__, dong quia, alpha alpha, raspberry leaf extract. These are great uterine tonic herbs that really help the blood flow get to the uterus which is good because that uterus— these adequate blood flow to help support that egg when it sticks. So I tell patients think of progesterone as a sticky glue that helps the egg hold, but we need good uterine flow. That’s why my wife and I had a hard time getting pregnant at first because we have this fibroid that was sucking a lot of the angiogenesis out, right, the angiogenesis’ blood flow. So it’s creating a lot of blood flow to the fibroid and not to whatever else was gonna stick there i.e. the egg.

Evan Brand: So did you all have to do herbs? Or did you do herbs or just the diet lifestyle is all you needed?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh—we had herbs going in the background the whole time.

Evan Brand: Okay.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We had that the whole time there and uhm— a little bit of progesterone going as well. And again, we just— I measured it, like I want 15 or higher, 20 is ideal. So Iike after she got pregnant, we measured progesterone. We make sure it was adequate. And it was, so we pulled off it.

Evan Brand: And what were you doing? Like drops or—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Progesterone drops. Yup. Exactly. So, like typically like a 100 mg is a good starting point once you get pregnant. And again, we just monitor it and it just kept on rocking. And again, if the ACG is high enough, typically the progesterone will be high enough because the hCG is uhm—gonna be produced by you know the follicle and also the placenta will kick in and produce it as well. And that hCG will then jack up the progesterone, too.

Evan Brand: Oh, that’s cool. all that’s cool okay you didn’t you didn’t have to continue, you’re saying?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. You know, we didn’t have to. But some women who have lower progesterone, they may have to keep that progesterone going for the first trimester.

Evan Brand: Now is that something you have to get via prescription or are there over-the-counter natural ones you can get?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It depends. I mean, I typically give my sublingual one until I can get the fertility OB to write one, just more from a legal standpoint. I rather have the OB write about identical prescription just so, you know, if they’re working with that person that we know it’s covered. But the protocol is gonna be the same and typically will do like an intervaginal uhm— progesterone just so we know it’s getting right to the tissue. It’s—it’s— it’s being released closest to the tissues. So will do that. If we have an option, some OBs that they won’t do it uhm— just because they’re not looking at the progesterone or because a woman doesn’t have a—a history of miscarriage. They’re not gonna even look at it. But I mean, do you really wanna go through a miscarriage then know your at risk to then wait to the next time to do it?

Evan Brand: No joke. Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I rather be monitoring it. And you know, if it’s below 15 or you know, I’m gonna be supplementing with some progesterone to make sure their support there. You can’t go wrong with it. Just make sure you’re using the good-quality progesterone. And again, we’re giving a lot of clinical advice here. And there maybe a lot of people that are just lay people listening. I don’t recommend doing this by yourself if you really want to work with the provider that’s done this a lot, so uhm— you know what’s going on and you wanna have everything looked at. So you want to make sure that we’re supporting the adrenals. Typically when someone’s pregnant, the only thing I’ll keep them on are nutrition, nutrients, whether it’s vitamins, minerals, amino. I’ll typically keep them on probiotics, I’ll keep them on digestive support, HCL enzymes and the only hormone I’ll typically keep them on, when they are pregnant, if it’s necessary “necessary” is the progesterone.

Evan Brand: Yup. Well said. Well that’s the thing. We love talking about adaptogens so much but nobody’s gonna do the research on rhodiola or these other herbs and how they could impact the fetus. So we just, you know, we love those things but we just can’t safely recommend them because we just don’t know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s probably safe, but again, like, think about it, who’s gonna sign up for that study?

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Whose gonna sign up? “Hey, by the way, congrats! You’re pregnant. Hey we’d love to have you sign up for this study where we test these adaptogenic herbs on health and viability”  “Uh—no, I’m good.

Evan Brand: Right. So I mean—some of it we can draw from—from ancient peoples what they’ve used. Like you mentioned the chase tree which has been used in extreme long time. So a lot of it, we’ve probably already lost due to just modern life. We’ve lost touch with our hunter-gatherers, what herbs and plants and trees and stuff that they use during pregnancy, unfortunately. But like you said, diet lifestyle, foundations, HCL, enzymes, probiotics, fish oils, vitamin D. Did you hit— did you mention that one?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We did not. But vitamin D is definitely important. We have to have to look at potentially even give my baby a little bit extra. I was speaking to one of the in the neonatal uhm— docs there and he was telling me you know, you may want to give your child an additional above and beyond what’s in the breast milk 400IU sublingually uhm— for the baby. So we’re looking at getting some extra bit of that, but, you know, we’re gonna weigh it out. If we can get the kid out there at 8 AM in the morning 15 minutes out in the sun at 8 AM that may be enough, right?  We don’t even need the drops.

Evan Brand: Yeah. What the—lady we spoke with said. She said as long as my wife was getting 6 to 8000 units that which I think this is just probably her making up numbers on the spot but she said that if my wife were supplementing with 68,000 units daily that the baby would probably end up getting at least 500 to 1000 units from that that would pass through.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think that, too. I asked that and they were like, well you should still give it. But it’s probably like a CYA comment.

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You don’t know exactly, but I think if she’s getting 6 to 10,000 the day, I think you’re gonna get 5% transfer to the—the baby in the breast milk.

Evan Brand: I guarantee it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think it’s probably good. So we’re probably gonna make sure she just getting 10,000 a day with the K2 and just get the kid out in the sun a couple times a week in those early morning hours and you know, just enough to give him a little sun kiss. Nothing else.

Evan Brand: Yup. Do you wanna talk about lab test for a couple minutes and just talk about what we would recommend someone get if before they even think about conceiving. You know, we kinda talk about pregnancy and birth and delivery and all that, but really, it begins far before that. So you and I kind of talk a bit like a five or six trimester is really what pregnancy is coz you gotta do the preparation then the postnatal care is important, too. So vitamin D—we hit on that. As a blood panel, insulin or blood sugar if you knew you, had a history, you could get the stuff done. Uh—fasting insulin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The fasting insulin’s great. We want less than seven, ideally, less than five. We may even want to just do some functional glucose tolerance testing, i.e. just testing your blood sugar with a blood sugar meter. Fasting one hour, two hour, three hours after a meal. Choose a couple of different meals a couple times a week, breakfast, lunch and dinner. Some people we hire in the morning coz of the somogyi effect which is totally cortisol driven. So you’ve gotta keep that in mind.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And uhm–  I would say, we’re gonna do an adrenal test, for sure. And we may just do a female hormone test around day 20. We’re looking at estrogens and progesterones and such and testosterone, but if there’s a more of a fertility history there, we may run was called the “month-long test” or on the 209 panel from Bio health which is a month-long panel. Will look at progesterone level starting at day 2 every other day in the cycle.

Evan Brand: Thyroid markers. I’m gonna look for antibodies, your TPO, your TG antibodies..

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: To see if there’s autoimmune going on.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If there’s some history going on, or symptoms, will definitely do it, but you know, TSH, T4,T3 antibodies, reverse T3’s is great. And you know, one of the things that I give my wife during pregnancy is a couple hundred extra micrograms of iodine a day. There’s some good research about helping the babies IQ. So we did a little bit of that.

Evan Brand: You can have a genius baby now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Now the goal is to give the kid all of the all the resources it possibly can, right? That’s the goal of you know, being a great mom and great dad is giving your kid as much potential as possible. And a lot of that’s gonna be uhm— healthy pregnancy, right? Healthy nutrition, healthy prenatal nutrition.

So healthy fats, healthy protein, healthy carbs, nutrient density has to be high, inflammation has to be low and uhm— making sure there’s enough calories and good macros. And we’re going a little bit higher on the carbs right now. But this is true when you eat for two.

Evan Brand: A 100% man. Tell me, my wife, she— she ate way more than me and she still—she actually weighs now than she did before she got pregnant which is interesting. I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s a great benefit in breast feeding.

Evan Brand: It’s definitely depleting, though. It can be depleting, so we’re doing our best to keep her— to keep her full and—and satiated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We also did placenta encapsulation as well.

Evan Brand: Oh, sweet man. Yup. Cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I actually have pictures of a placenta. It’s pretty cool.

Evan Brand: I planted my wife’s with a tree.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Really? Wow!

Evan Brand: A little tree sprout, a little maple tree sprout at our old house. I had the placenta coz we’re going to do encapsulation. We had a doula that’s gonna do it for us, so we decided—she felt so good postnatally that she didn’t need it. And—and so I had the placenta in the freezer, took it out so I could actually mold at first, you know, mold it a little bit and dug uh— dug a giant hole, buried it couple feet under with the— with the little maple sapling right there. So there should be a tree there one day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow! That’s amazing. So we had it encapsulated, so she’s doing three capsules 3 to 4 times a day. And then we have uhm—we actually had a  tincture made, too, which is pretty cool.

Evan Brand: A placenta tincture?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. And we’re gonna save that for menopause for her.

Evan Brand: Really?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: When she transition to menopause, we’ll use that tincture.

Evan Brand: That’s a thrift.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Isn’t that cool?

Evan Brand: I did not know that. So what’s—what’s the idea there? There’s gonna some naturally occurring hormones in the placenta that will help to ease menopausal symptoms?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly.

Evan Brand: Ahh—Okay. We’ve got uhm—we’ve got a couple questions. I think they may not be related to our topic because our topic’s pretty niche today. But do you want to look at these questions here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We try to grab the ones that are most relevant for sure.

Evan Brand: Okay. There was a person named, Chris here, that said he was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s and is displaying signs of hypoglycemia with perfect blood sugar, what could it be? That’s gonna be a good question. Do you get that question?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So his blood sugar may look good but why does it look good, right? The question is— are the adrenals coming to the rescue to make that

Evan Brand: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Coz if the adrenals are coming to the rescue and lifting that blood sugar up, there’s gonna be a lot of cortisol and adrenaline in the background which are gonna create a lot of anxiety, and mood issues, and irritability, and a lot of things where your blood sugar may look good, but the question is, what’s lifting that blood sugar up? Ideally, we want healthy blood sugar by diet, meal timing, nutritional density so the blood sugar is lifted up naturally not relying on the adrenals to keep it lifted.

Evan Brand: Yeah. With the adrenals are kind of the backup generators of the adrenals are getting involved with your blood sugar regulation, that’s not good. That means something else is off elsewhere, but if the diagnosis of Hashimoto’s is there, too, could we say that if—if there signs of hypoglycemia maybe it’s not hypoglycemia, maybe it’s thyroid as well because I mean the thyroid can make you feel like your fatigued and lethargy and then all of a sudden, you’re over stimulated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. If you have hyp—If you have Hashimoto’s there’s probably potentially some T4 to T3 conversion issues.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And there’s probably some adrenal issues so all that stuff needs to be looked at and then again, we don’t even know where that— this person is in the hierarchy of diet and lifestyle.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So we’re assuming that diet and lifestyles are already even adjusted. 30 g of protein in the first waking, eating— eating healthy proteins, fats and the right amount occurs every 4-5 hours or assuming that that’s already dialed in.

Evan Brand: In preferably on an AIP approach and until the antibodies are very, very minimal in the single digits or less.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. If possible, I typically wait till there’s a there’s plateauing of uh symptoms. Some people may not be able to get them all the way low but you know, we at least want to get them under 500 or so. It depends. If we could get  someone under 500, that’s a pretty good reduction.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Again—

Evan Brand: What’s the highest you’ve seen with TPO? I think the highest I’ve seen was like 1600 on a TPO.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I’ve seen over 2000. I mean I have patients literally go from over 2000 to under hundred.

Evan Brand: Yup. What’s the timeline? A year?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’ve seen it happen in six months to a year.

Evan Brand: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. The average person that I work with, we have at least a 50% reduction in antibodies.

Evan Brand: Right. That’s awesome. I love seen that on a piece of paper. When you actually get to validate it, but then their symptoms are better, too. It’s such a double win.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh and I had so many patients say their endocrinologist just says, “there’s nothing you can do about that”

Evan Brand: No.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And it’s like over and over again, and we just continue to prove them wrong and it’s just like, “man!”

Evan Brand: It’s a great feeling.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I feel so bad. It’s just like, you know, imagine having someone like, you know, hiring someone to fix your house and all they have is just a hammer. It’s like, “dude, you’re missing the saw and the screwdriver, this and everything” It’s like functional medicine is that we get so many tools at our disposal. We’re not limited to just like that one pharmaceutical tool that’s supposed to be in our toolbox, right?

Evan Brand: Yup. Well the same thing with fertility question. I mean, you and I have  talked to dozens and dozens of men and women who’ve been told that they will never be able to have children, yet we’ve aided, and many, many babies, you know, just being made by helping women get their hormones back on line and fixing the underlying issues, so—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s it, man. I 100% agree. So, I hope that helps there. Anything else we can grab before__

Evan Brand: Yeah. Let’s see what we have here. That was unrelated questions—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Someone was asking about Probio Flora and Sacro Flora. And again, those are some of my probiotic products. Sacro Flora is a high-dose saccharomycin, Probio Flora is a high-dose bifido-lactobacillus uhm—probiotic. We typically do that for at least 60 days after a parasite killing protocol.

Evan Brand: Here’s a good— here’s a good question here from Naomi. She said she’s been diagnosed with blastocystis hominis, which for those listening, that’s a common parasite infection we see. She’s exclusively breast-feeding a six-month-old and the antibiotic metronidazole did not seem to work. “Is it possible to treat while still feeding baby?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The only way I would treat it is with probiotics right now. I would not do any herbs. I would choose two probiotics. I would do Saccharomyces and high-dose probiotics that’s the only thing I would do right now to treat it.

Evan Brand: Yup. So, Naomi, when the time comes for you to wean off the baby which if it six months this may be another year or so, we don’t know how long you intend to breast-feed, at that time, reach back out to us. Justin and myself we can help you get rid of the blasto using herbs but, yeah, with these anti-parasitic herbs, we—we just— it’s just not—not a safe. Well it might be safe, but we just don’t know. We don’t know if that’s—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It probably would be safe, but we don’t want a chance and we rather be just conservative, right? Always do no harm. So I feel very comfortable recommending probiotics. There’s been studies done on kiddos, actually, looking at Saccharomyces polarity uh—compared to Flagyl Metronidazole Tri and Blasto, and it’s just as good, if not better.

Evan Brand: Yup. So look it up, Saccharomyces polarity. Check out Justin’s, we both got Saccharomyces polarity products. There’s a lot of good ones out there. Just make sure you get professional grade, so that actually works.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly.

Evan Brand: Cool. Yeah, I think that’s it, man. We can wrap it up. Will send people back to your site if you wanna learn more about you or work wit you. justinhealth.com  myself, evanbrand.com  Check us out. We’ve got hundreds and hundreds of episodes. So if we just hit the surface of one piece of the conversation you like today, then I’m sure we dove deep somewhere else and give us a review. I know you may be watching elsewhere, YouTube, Facebook etc. but iTunes is where it counts. So we need to continue to beat out people like Jillian Michaels who promotes just not sound advice and so we wanna really bring functional medicine to the forefront of humanity and help to save some of the crises that are going on in terms of depression, anxiety, infertility, obesity diabetes, cancer. We want to put a dent in the universe. So give us a review so that we can do that and stay in the top of the charts.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Awesome! And you guys, subscribe right now, my YouTube, justinhealth.com; Evan’s YouTube. Uh— click on our YouTube link. We appreciate the subscriptions, care—you know, sharing is caring. We love it. And again, give us feedback. We want feedback about what you guys want to hear because this is all about how we can serve you guys better. So let us know so we can provide more awesome information. And again, what makes us different Evan I different is, we keep it real. You’re gonna walk away from our show and our podcast with actionable item not esoteric BS that’d gonna make sense you up in the ether, right? But what can you actually do. So that’s how we’re different. We’re trying to keep it real and make it actionable for you guys. So we appreciate you listening. And everyone have a great day.

Evan Brand: Take care.

 


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Hashimoto’s Triggers – Autoimmune Thyroid – Live Podcast #143

Hashimoto’s Disease - Autoimmune Thyroid

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand talk about the different causes and triggers of Hashimoto’s disease. Find out how it is connected to one’s immune system, diet and gut health and learn why women are more susceptible to having it.

The thyroid, adrenals and gut health are important factors to consider in addressing Hashimoto’s disease. Listen to this podcast and learn about the natural solutions and beneficial supplements to support them.

In this episode, we will cover:

01:29   Hashimoto’s Disease

09:24   Socialized Medicine

13:40   Use of Secretory IGA in Measuring the Immune System

15:39   Women and Stress-sensitivity

18:24   Ketogenic Diet, Insulin Resistance and Hashimoto’s

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we’re back! Evan, it’s Dr. J. How are we doing, man?

Evan Brand: Pretty good. How are you doing?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Good. I’m loving the ambience. My new plantation shutters in the background; just loving that there. Just nice. Ready for an excellent day. Got a little lunch break here. I’m seeing patients all morning. Ready to drop some knowledge bombs, and then get back to patients in the afternoon. How are you doing, on your afternoon?

Evan Brand: Yes. Likewise, same story. I had a female client this morning, who I was telling you over air. We had run her blood work before…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhhmm–

Evan Brand: …previously. And it was basically just a checkup. I said, “Hey, why don’t we check your thyroids?” She didn’t really have hyper or hypo symptoms, and she showed up with thyroglobulin antibodies, which is one of the type of antibodies you and I test our clients for on blood. And she showed up with a level of 50. And we should see that, as minimal as possible. I mean, hopefully less than 1, but she’s had a 50. And she said, “What’s triggering this?” And, we can go into that today, but I was hoping you and I could really outline a lot of different causes and triggers of Hashimoto’s because it’s so common in our females, we see it every single week. It’s like – well, there different triggers for different people. So, hopefully, we can try to go into a couple of different arenas here, and talk about the big puzzle pieces.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I like that. And then people on Facebook, we also got Evan’s audio on the background, too. So, if you’re listening on Facebook, go over, jump on YouTube, justinhealth.– or youtube.com/justinhealth and vice versa with YouTube. Get on the Facebook page so you can get this live feed. We’d like to them and do our Q&A’s too. So this is great. So, a hundred percent. Hashimoto’s the big issue, vex about 30– or thyroid issues, about 30 million people in this country, uh – I’d say, at least, hmmn– I’d say a quarter of probably undiagnosed, or at least undertreated or undersupported because they’re given synthetic thyroid medication. That’s– is T4, right? T4 in origin. And then you have these various enzymes called D2 and D3, that help convert and activate thyroid hormone. And the problem is those enzymes, if you have Hashimoto’s, there’s a good chance that D2, D3 and even D1 enzymes are not working optimally, so then that conversion of T4 to T3 – that inactive thyroid hormone to active T3, about 400 percent increase in the metabolic activity of T3 versus T4, those enzymes aren’t there for the conversion. So that’s a big issue, right? [crosstalk] And not to mention, when you take a thyroid hormone, you’re getting a T4, right? But you’re also getting T3, right? Triiodothyronine, which is your active thyroid hormone, you’re getting T2, which isn’t even tested, right? T2, uh– Diiodothyronine, is a metabolically active hormone, only measure in the research settings, and not even really talked about in conventional medicine, T1, T0, Calciton, which is very helpful for Calcium metabolism. So, again, we’re not getting that in our conventional thyroid medication. The big thing is those D2, D3 enzymes that you’re missing, that T4 to T3 conversion with. So lots of people are being medicated with thyroid hormone, right? Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine. Though TSH comes back in the normal range, so they look good on their conventional doctors uh– thyroid test, but they still have all these thyroid symptoms, right there. The thinning hair, the outer third of the eyebrows, swelling of the hands and feet, anxiety, mood issues, constipation, depression, and they’re not getting better.

Evan Brand: So, why? What’s up with these enzymes? What’s happening to them?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I mean, there’s the underlying physiology, typically, inflammation, right? Inflammation is what drives people into that disease, or pathological state, right? And that pathological state means more symptoms, right. All the things I just mentioned, the moods, the digestive stuff, uhhmm– the hair loss stuff, the energy, the weight gain, all those things are gonna be affected. Now, a big component we talked about it, ‘cause a lot of these issues, right, thyroid-based things are gonna be autoimmune in nature, so autoimmune means your immune system is actually attacking your thyroid gland, so you have these antibodies, like TPO or Thyroperoxidase, you have antithyroglobulin antibodies, and these are primarily with Hashimoto’s, for instance, and they come and they attack your thyroid gland. And that’s about 90 percent– let’s say 50 to 90 percent are autoimmune in nature, so you and your conventional medical doctor or your endocrinologist says, “Oh, here’s – here’s the conventional thyroid pill.” They’re not actually getting to the underlying immune– immune imbalance, right? They’re not fixing the underlying things, like gluten, right. Grains and gluten, and that molecular mimicry that happens where your immune system can be exacerbated ‘cause of Gluten. That’s the one, one really big component. Couple of others will be gut – the gut issues. So, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, gut bacterial imbalances, infections, H.pylori, Blastocystis hominis, uh– Lyme or Borrelia burgdorferi, uhm – Yersinia enterocolitica. So those are just a lot of gut infections that can significantly affect your GI. And again, that sulphatase enzyme in the gut made by healthy bacteria, really helps to activate, that thyroid hormone really helps to upregulate those D2, D3 enzymes to get your T4 to T3. So, all that technical jargon, what the heck does it mean? We’re trying to get your– your active thyroid hormone up higher; that’s the goal. Your T3 levels, get them up higher because, just doing it on the conventional side, and say, “Hey, let’s give you uh– a synthetic thyroid hormone.” That may not be enough to actually get the end stage thyroid hormones better. It may make the upstage TSH look better but not the downstream T4 and T3.

Evan Brand: Conventional, like the National Institute of Health, though, say that the Hashimoto’s affects one to two percent of people in the United States. Do you agree? One to two percent or do you think it’s much greater?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you’re saying– repeat that question, one more time for me.

Evan Brand: National Institute of Health– is it – do you heard– are you hearing echoes? Is that messing you up?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. No problem. I just got a comment here. Someone’s saying they’re not hearing the audio on the YouTube site. [crosstalk] You guys are hearing the audio, give me a thumbs-up here, but I think we’re looking good.

Evan Brand: Okay. So, National Institute of Health, they say, “Hashimoto’s affects one to two percent of people in the United States.” I think it’s much, much higher. Izabella Wentz, I think she gave a number that was much, much higher too. What’s your take on this percentage here?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think it could be much higher, for sure. I think it could be much higher, and the big issue is that most doctors they aren’t testing for thyroid antibodies. That’s the major issue. Uh– we talked about a patient this morning over in Canada, whose doctors aren’t uhm– they aren’t even testing for thyroid antibodies. And the big reason why is because, think about it, right? If the solution is a synthetic thyroid hormone, like Levoxyl, or Synthroid, or Levothyroid, right, if that’s the ultimate end game, and that doesn’t change whether there’s autoimmunity or gluten issues, or infections, then it stays the same. Why change that, right? Why change that variable up because they’re not gonna do anything different if something else comes back, right? Does that makes sense?

Evan Brand:  Yes, it does.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Even though 90 percent are autoimmune in nature, right? Even though 90 percent of thyroid issue’s autoimmune, they’re not gonna do anything different anyway, so why even look for it? Because then, it just creates more questions the doctors have to answer, and they don’t like to answer questions they’re not prepared to uhm– to answer. Most people…

Evan Brand: And they’re not trained, because if antibodies do come back, they’ve got nothing. They’ve got no way to talk about Klebsiella and Citrobacter bacteria that need to be treated. Uh– yeah, and so uh – just to give a little bit more back story on the Canada, so– you know, Justin and I both have clients in Canada.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And they’ll say, “Hey, we’ve got health insurance over here. It’s free.” But there’s a catch to that. It’s not that good. All they’re gonna do is they’re gonna run, like, a one-marker, like maybe TSH, and then based on that they may give you a prescription drug. But if you don’t have your free T3, the reverse T3, the TPO, the TG antibodies we talked about, may not always using Algin, maybe you tell me there’s a better analogy, but mine is: if you just have TSH and you’re trying to treat thyroid, it’s like touching the sidewalk and estimating the forecast.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. That analogy sounds really, really familiar. I don’t know why.

Evan Brand: There’s no way you came up with that. I’m pretty sure…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I came up – I came up with that one. That’s been around for, like, six or seven years, ‘cause that’s how I teach my patients about TSH– TSH. The receptor sites in the pituitary are hypersensitive. The thyroid hormone, therefore, uhm – TSH will drop– will drop more precipitously because the brain is sensing thyroid hormone being a lot higher then what it is. So, peripherally, the thyroid hormones never get high enough and the periphery in the actual tissues but it’s– it’s high enough in the brain ‘cause the brain’s more sensitive to thyroid hormones. So, TSH will always drop faster than what the peripheral tissues need uh– in the periphery there for thyroid hormone. That’s why you don’t want to base your dosing or your support of the TSH 100 percent, ‘cause the TSH is so sensitive. Touch the sidewalk outside when it’s a hundred degrees out, it’s gonna be able to fry an egg on it, right. But again, the air temperature will always be a lot cooler. The peripheral tissues will always be less saturated with thyroid hormone uh– than the latter. Make sense?

Evan Brand: I’ll give it– I’ll give you a credit. It must have rubbed off of me then, if you had that one before. [laughs]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It did. I do– that’s mine. That’s uh– that’s a Dr. J-ism. But I’m– getting back on your thing, man, yeah. Socialized medicine for the most parts thinks– Okay, I’ve seen patients from all over the world. All over the world, Europe, Canada– Socialized Medicine’s great if you only need it for acute traumatic issues, right? You sprain your ankle, right? You have to go to the ER, ‘cause of some reason. But outside of that, if you getting stuck on that chronic conventional model, all you have for options are conventional drugs, right? And then number two the waits are like, three to six months to get in. Again, this is what happens. I have hundreds of patients where I’ve had this story, literally had this story they literally told me over and over again. And then because everything is socialized, the government says we’re not gonna reimburse. Reimburse then guess what happens. There’s not a market place for it, right? There’s less people going underground. Now, I do have people over in Canada that are functional medicine doctors and they’re doing– they’re thriving even in a socio uh– even in a uhm– sociological medicine society there, right? Even with a socialized medicine society because, people aren’t getting better even though the medicine’s free they’re still going in paying a lot of functional medicine doctors. And again, we start today. Why am I hampering on this is because, that doctor wasn’t running TPO or any of the thyroid antibodies. So, the socialized medicine said, “Nope. We are not gonna test your thyroid antibodies. We deemed that not appropriate, and this person needs to know they have Hashimoto’s so they can make changes with their immune system, with their gluten, with the gut, with a lot of the converting nutrients to help T$ and T3.

Evan Brand: So let’s– let’s go through a list. I know, we could kind of jump around but, maybe we could do like a top five [crosstalk] or maybe even like a top ten.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Let’s do it.

Evan Brand: So, number one– in no particular order, but number one, you already mentioned gluten. So, this would include any grains, right? ‘Cause even like our Amaranths, our Buckwheat, our Kiwa. That Kiwa could still be cross-reactive and trigger the antibodies, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Correct. I would still stay away from all grains. Grains probably being number one trigger becau– partly because of the amino acid sequence in the grains, I very similar to the surface proteins of the thyroid. That’s number one. So [inaudible]…

Evan Brand: What about now? Are you seeing issues with him?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I mean, that’s a cross-reactive thing so, if gluten is like, you know – if gluten is like the brother and sister, you know, Hamp’s kind of like, maybe the cousin, right?

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The second cousin once removed, so to speak. S, again uhm– it may be something that needs to be pulled out with someone on an autoimmune kind of elimination provocation diet for at least a month or two. So, the grains component’s really important. Got to get that out. But not just the molecular mimicry thing. There’s uh– some research looking at Non-Celiac Gluten sensitivity, where they talked about gluten. Even in people that aren’t really Celiac or aren’t even a gluten, like, sensitive person, so to speak. Where just taking that gluten in, they still get gastrointestinal permeability. The guts gets a little bit leaky even with uhm – the fact that they aren’t really gluten-sensitive, so to speak. They aren’t gluten-sensitive but that’s the gut permeability that’s driven by the gluten. And prior, what’s happening is, we’re getting this protein called Zonulin increased. And Zonulin basically unzips, so it’s like an unbuttoning my shirt. That’s Zonulin, right? Unbuttoned zip, right? Opens that gut lining up, and then all these digestive proteins you get right through there.

Evan Brand: So, Zonulin goes up in the presence of grains. We had a question in the live chat about Brown rice. Absolutely, Brown rice would still be in a category of grains that you would want to remove.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: If you want to avoid Hashimoto’s. I tried to justify with you for a long time, “Oh, I love my white rice.” You know like, man, it’s just not worth it. And now uh– saw this stew– sweet potato now, and…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …my skin. My skin’s actually gotten better, too. You know, Even though I’ve pulled out – I’ve pulled out the rice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, man. You go back to your old uh– YouTube videos, you had some– some stuff going on there, [crosstalk] and you like’s porcelain skin.

Evan Brand: I tried gut bugs, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Use some gut bugs, man. You’re almost up to a runway model status, Evan.

Evan Brand: I don’t know about that but I appreciate it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You’re getting there. Good.

Evan Brand: Oh, so gluten, [crosstalk] so gluten grain…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Gluten and the Zonulin – gluten, the Zonulin stuff and then also other grains still may have some gut irritating compounds, right? The Lectins, some of the Phytates, some of the Oxalates, some of those things, which can be irritating on the gut. So, really, it comes down to like, getting the immune system in the molecular mimicry going. But then it also has some impact on the Zonulin and the leaky gut.

Evan Brand: Okay, so you already said the immune system. Let’s hit on that piece. Let’s make that like our number two or number three. Uhm – we can measure the immune system with the secretory IGA on the Stool Test that we’re running on people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Uhm – can we go on that number and just use secretory IGA as our immune system, kind of our first line of defense?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And if we see IGA’s low, can we say, “Okay, you’re more susceptible or…”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent.

Evan Brand: …this will trigger?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We’ll see low IGA levels. IGA is that mucosal membrane barrier. It’s that first line of defense that lines the gastrointestinal tract, all your mucus membranes, your mouth, you know, our anal cavities, flatulent tract, urinary canal, everything. Every little surface there, even your eyes have IGA in the surface there. Your first line of immune defense. So, when that gets weakened, typically, it will go up and there’s an acute infection. You’ll see it there. We run Stool Test while measuring the stool, and then we’ll actually see it drop down for Chronic Stress. So IGA’s really important, ‘cause that’s a good measurement that your immune system is under stress.

Evan Brand: Right. So, a lot of times, more often than not, you and I are gonna see chronically low IGA, indicating that someone’s been dealing with these issues for a long time. So, Chronic Stress, overwork, maybe they’re not sleeping as well as…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Maybe they have gut infections that are damaging that IGA because people may say, “Well, if I’ve got Hashimoto’s, how did I get a low immune system in the first place?” Well, chicken or egg, all of it– I mean, you could have had adrenal stress, which then weaken the gut. Then you picked up gut bugs, or vice versa.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, absolutely.

Evan Brand: Okay, what’s– what’s next?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, typically it’s a combination of emotional stress that tends to set people up. That tends to be it. So, there’s, you know, you choose with whatever’s happening with your life: work stress, financial stress, family stress, kid’s stress. Whatever’s happening there, that tends to set things up, and that will weaken the immune system.

Evan Brand: I had a female client did uh– that I talked with earlier. She’s a teacher, so she’s on summer break, right now. She’s feeling much, much better. But when she’s back in school, she’s done. She wants to get out of the field of teaching. Everything kind of gets worst, symptom-wise.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So that’s a good example of work stress…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …right there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, absolutely. And then, women are a little bit more prone to it, because there’s actually a research on this, where their immune system can go out of balance. Like, one emotional, like, you have an emotional argument with the woman, their IO6, their Intergluten-6 can go out of balance for up to two days after a fight. For some of the men, they can go out of balance for like a few hours, but then it’s back in. So I always– this is part of the mechanism why women are more prone to autoimmune conditions. Their immune system probably just a little bit more, I should say, a little more sensitive. And there’s also the Estrogen issue, right, because, Estrogen can affect the CD4 to CD8 balance. And they can skew that balance. So, the more women are Estrogen dominant. That can throw off their immune system. Their CD8, CD4, their natural killer cell, to help her cell ratio. CDH’s your natural killer. Your CD4’s your helper cell. And they could skew that ratio uh – up.

Evan Brand: So, I’m guessing the– like the ancestral view of why woman’s immune system would be more sensitive. Would you say just because of uh– uh– having children, where the immune’s got to be able to modulate itself not to attack and kill the fetus, for example. So, their immune system’s a little bit more variable than a man. Or what do you think is the ancestral lenses?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think, it probably has to do with uhm– I think it probably has to do with just raising children in that extra level of empathy, being able to take on other people’s feelings, and kind of be able to uuuh– what’s your need, right? You got, like, you know, you’re raising a child. You have to be to really sense what’s going on. I think that may play into it. I’ve zero evidence outside. That’s just my opinion; just observation. But there’s research and studies on that. Also, blood sugar can throw people’s immune system off to. So like skipping meals, and not giving enough nutrition, and just going long periods of time. So, that’s a big thing, right. That’s a big thing, so, I just, you know, I tell people just make sure you get your communication and your relationships kind of dialed-in. If you’re having issues with the spouse, get the communication down. Try to get, like, try to create a really good environment, where you can communicate, and you’re not gonna get flooded and drive people’s immune systems off.

Evan Brand: Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You know, that’s kind of, that’s number one. Number two, so let’s get meals, right. Now, when you’re healthier, you can play around with intermittent fasting, okay. That’s a good tool, but you got to get it dialed-in with your hormones good first, and you feeling good first. I may get that dialed-in later on.

Evan Brand: Oh, how about Ketosis too. Like, I tried it with Dr. Mercola, and he’s like– he’s like concerned that a lot of people are going into a ketogenic diet but they’re doing it for too long. So, he’s kind of a proponent of, like, five days on and then two days off. Or hold his go and eat potatoes, and things like that. And really kind of carb-griefy. So, how much of this thyroid epidemic, Hashimoto’s even kid of in the Health Space where you and I are working. These women come into us. They have triggered Hashimoto’s, do you think Ketogenic diet could be a trigger, potentially?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I think, Ketogenic diet has actually helped a lot of people with Hashimoto’s, especially ones that are insulin-resistant, because insulin-resistance can actually block thyroid conversion. So, that’s my issue– is if your insulin-resistant, you may do really well with the Ketogenic diet for a while, but then you may hit the wall.

Evan Brand: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, then the question. When you hit the wall, that’s where you may start gradually increasing your carbs up. Maybe 10 grams a week, and maybe do a couple of low carb days, like Keto days, and then come out for one or two days in the higher carb side. But, I think, if you’re coming into this, being overweight, with uh– hips circum– you know, waist circumference greater than 35 for a female, 40 for a male. There’s probably some level of insulin-resistance that a Ketogenic diet will help reverse. But then you may have to refine or retune your carbohydrate thresholds afterwards.

Evan Brand: Okay, and that will always be based on adrenal health, and that would be based on, maybe, Vitamin D status or gut infections, depressants, of those. There’s always more, more things, so when people find, “Oh! Ketogenic diet,” It’s like there’s so many different variables out there and these other pieces of the puzzle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, yeah. I mean, Atkins was sniffing around the right area when he started talking about Ketogenic diets in the 70’s. the problem with Atkins is, he didn’t put enough qualifiers on it. I mean, okay, great. So I eat a whole bunch of meat now, is that gonna be hormone antibiotic, free, you know, laden meat, or is it gonna be organic grass-fed. Oh, Atkins says soy protein’s okay. Eeh! Aspartame’s splendid, okay. Eeh! Right, not good. So, protein quality’s really important. So, if you’re gonna do protein powders, you know, Collagen peptides, you know, P protein, like maybe– maybe some really good grass-fed wheat protein, right. Choose really good protein sources if it’s powder. Or choose really healthy meat souces, or really fat sources. Lots of toxins are stored in the fat, so if you’re eating diseased animals, you’re not gonna get high quality of uh– of a meat product passed down to you from a nutrient perspective.

Evan Brand: Yep, well said. Okay, so we hit the secretory IGA, we hit the Zonulin, we hit the gluten.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Also, we talked about thyroid nodules too, right. Someone on uhm– Facebook here, had commented here. So, thyroid nodules are just like these little abnormal tissue spots in the thyroid, but typically gonna be driven by autoimmunity, right. So, Hashimoto’s gonna be the major thing. Hashimoto’s, typically, is an autoimmunity that is involving TPO antibodies, and antithyroglobulin antibodies. Now, again, all autoimmunity, for the most part, will end in low thyroid. The difference is grave disease has a couple of antibodies that can jack up thyroid functioning. Keep it up to the point where you may stroke or you may have an issue if left untreated. So, we that with TSI or Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulin and also TSH Receptor antibodies, so, which you want to make sure under control. Why? It helped saved many thyroid uhm – from going into uh – graves or a thyroid storm state by using specific nutrients to help it. and also…

Evan Brand: What happened with uh– with thyroid nodules? Let’s say, someone…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …has antibodies at that point. Maybe we suggest they go get a thyroid ultrasound. They say– Okay, hey. Can you palpate? Like, would you suggest an ultrasound, or can you palpate and figure out whether you have nodules?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, great. Let’s go into that. So, try to palpate the thyroid is – Find the Adam’s apple, so like, mine’s right here.

Evan Brand: Get a little closer to the mic, so people can hear good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. This is your Adam’s apple right here. Right. So, I feel here. I go down, about one centimeter, and then out a centimeter. And, you know, I would do it by standing behind myself, who I can step out of my body. About be here. I touched each side and I press it into the other. And I would have myself swallow water. And I would feel, just for any irregularities in the surface. It will be almost impossible to do it to yourself just as I demonstrated with the angle. But you would stand from behind someone, and you have just nice flat palms, and you just go through the surface, and you touched, you pushed, and you want to feel it come out in the other side. And basically, you want to just feel a smooth surface, and you want to not feel it as an inflamed puffy. You have to feel a couple normal ones to know but, that will give you a pretty good idea.

Evan Brand: The ultrasound sounds easier though. I mean, let’s just say, that you come back with nodules, what happens? Do you just – do you just play the waiting game? You just watch him or how do you approach it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, it depends where you’re at, right? There’s always that increase chance of potential thyroid cancer, right. So, it’s good to get that screened, ‘cause of the increased risk. But it’s not the first thing I worry about. Because if you just do all the things that we tell you, I can’t tell you how many patients whose nodules have just significantly reduced. Significantly reduced.

Evan Brand: Yep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Though, I’ve seen that happen so many times, so, hey, you know, just run it by your endo. See what they say. And then just let them know that you’re gonna do some things on the functional medicine side. And, come back and monitor it. you just want to make sure it’s moving in the right direction. Now, some nodules can be caused by low Iodine, too. Again, w tend to get enough Iodine, a couple hundred MIC’s really odd. You need like 200 MIC’s is like they already– hey, you may need a little bit more, but you got to be careful with supplementing Iodine because the Iodination process that happens, so– Iodination is nothing more than the Iodine bonding to the Thyroxine molecules to make your thyroid hormone, right? Like T4 is your Thyroxine, your 4 molecules, your Thyroxine bound to four molecules of Iodine. That process of binding it and pulling out the sticking glue getting stuck there. That’s called Iodination. That process spits of a lot of Hydrogen peroxide which can be inflammatory. And that can drive a lot of B cell infiltration. Your immune cells into your thyroid and exacerbate that autoimmune attack. So you got to be careful off the bat when giving any Iodine. So I always like to get in the Selenium in there first, get the diet dialed-in, get the lifestyle stuffed-out then, and then really lower the information first before I go after it. And if we go after it, we’ll titrate that slowly. We won’t go at it hard. There’s a lot of docs out there that go really high in the Iodine I don’t recommend going high of the bat. I think it’s better off going slower, and work on the foundational stuff first.

Evan Brand: Yeah. Love it. Uh – I was gonna ask you a question about Iodine. I forgot what it was. Tsk. Darn. I lost my point. Alright. Let’s keep moving on. What else comes to mind for triggers.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. So we talked about the food stuff. We talked about blood sugar, we talked about emotional stress. That’s still a big one, okay. Because, emotional stress taps in to your sympathetic nervous system and your sympathetic nervous system wires right down to the adrenals. And that’s umping out Cortisol. Pumping out Adrenaline. And your body will always sacrifice sex hormones for stress hormones. It’s just the hardwired adaptation. Right? If you don’t survive today, you’re not gonna have to worry about reproducing tomorrow, right?

Evan Brand: Yep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, gut component– the gut component’s very important. We talked about gut bacteria, and how the healthy bacteria’s really helpful with the Sulphatase. Also, that’s where we absorb nutrients, right/ that’s where we absorb a lot of our B Vitamins, a lot of our minerals, a lot of our amino acids, right. Thyroxines and amino acids, that’s part of making thyroid hormone. Also, 70 to 80 percent of your immune system is located in your gut, right? So, you want to jack up your immune system, you know, just get your gut in bad shape by not digesting food, putting a lot of inflammatory things in there. [crosstalk] And uh – throwing off your gut bacteria and uh – whole bunch of steroids from the foods, antibiotics from the foods, anantibiotics in your uh – medicines for maybe, reasons that, maybe be unwanted, so to speak.

Evan Brand: Right. Yeah, the gut’s huge. I mean…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: I don’t really like the term SIBO because it’s so generic, but you and I, we see so many different species of bacteria. We can assume that most of them are going to be growing up from the colon to the small intestine.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So if you’ve never been diagnosed to SIBO, or any type of bacterial overgrowth, like specifically, Justin and I are gonna  be looking for, like, a Citrobacter or Klebsiella, or there’s two species of Proteus. Those are all autoimmune trigger bacteria. That’s in the literature too. So, if you’ve got bacterial overgrowth, bacterial infections, parasites, Yeast, or like we see many times a combination. So it could be a Citrobacter, plus Blastocystis hominis, a parasite, plus Candida. That’s uh – that a – that’s a triple whammy there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: That could definitely cause the antibodies to go up. The good thing is this is reversible, right. Now, would you say– I know for us, you know, we’re not medical doctors so we can’t use the term uh– cure. Uh– but is it possible for a cure for Hashimoto’s or when you get your antibodies down, let’s say, you were at a 50 on your TG antibodies, and we do all the good work with you. We get the antibodies back down, let’s say, below a five. Are you cured or can you always just rebound quicker than the average person back up to that bad state of Hashimoto’s again?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, you can always ramp back up, but it’s all about adaptation, right? The healthier you are, the greater ability you have  to adapt to stress. So, when you have the susceptibility for a certain disease. So, someone posted on Facebook, I have anti-NaN antibodies, that’s kind of a very broad sense, but your predisposed to certain conditions, certain diseases. Maybe Rheumatoid arthritis, maybe Lupus, maybe Scleroderma, maybe CREST, right. So a lot of autoimmune conditions you may now predispose for. But that just means you have the genetic triggers, those genetic switches, are kind of right in the middle, and if those stressors flick it down, right, that stress could flip that gene on and they could activate. So we managed all the things that we talked about, right? Blood sugar, nutrient density, stress, grains, gut health, uhm – being infection-free, ideally, healthy probiotics, healthy gut bacteria, and then making sure that if there’s thyroid damage already, we support that, making sure we support thyroid activation, right. Zinc, Magnesium, CoQ10, Selenium, maybe the right Iodine, use your functional doctors resource, making all those nutrients and things are dialed-in. That’s gonna significantly help improve your resiliency, so if you do have a disease, you may be able to– your body may be able to keep it in check enough, were the symptoms aren’t even visible. But some they say you’re cured, but legally we can’t say you’re cured.

Evan Brand: Right, exactly. What about the liver? What’s the role of the liver?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. So the liver’s really important ‘cause a lot of those deionized enzymes. They come from the liver, right. So, the liver’s really stressed and taxed dealing with the whole bunch of fructose coming in there, ‘cause your Insulin-resistant or toxins, and round-up and pesticides, and a whole bunch of junk. It may not be able to do its job, activating and converting thyroid hormones, so we want to make sure, number one, that we are uhm – keeping the stress off it. ‘Cause a lot of liver stuff is more about to stop adding crap to the system, right?

Evan Brand: Exactly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And then number two, I know, Izabella Wentz talks about it in her book, the Hashimoto Protocol. She starts a lot of her patients on a liver cleanse that first month, which can be helpful. So, Liver Support Phase 1, Phase 2, detox support. In my line, it’s uh– Phase 1 is either uhm– Antioxidant Supreme or Liver Supreme, and then Phase 2 is gonna be Detox Aminos. That supports all the Phase 1 and Phase 2 pathways that run your liver. The fat-soluble, the water-soluble, and the water-soluble to excretion in Phase 2. That’s really important.

Evan Brand: So, list of some ingredients. So this is like your Methionines, your Taurines, your milk fissles, [crosstalk] your Vitamins A, you Beet powder, your Artichoke extract.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Artichoke, yeah. And then your Phase 2 is gonna be  more of your amino acids. That’s like an acetylation, methylation, uh– glutathione conjugation. All that stuff. So cysteine, glutamine, glycine, uh – taurine’s in there, methionine, uh– We throw Calcium-D-Glucarate in there. Those are really good compounds.

Evan Brand: Cool, cool. Uhm–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So I think we hit some good triggers. We talked about some things to help about things to help with thyroid conversion too. We talked about the liver, we talked about the infections and the leaky gut, and then yeah. The whole thing about gluten– oh by the way.– uh– I’ll tell you off the air.

Evan Brand: Alright. Alright.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But I’m–

Evan Brand: Hey. Let me tell you something that– before you – I want to –  I want to mention two things. I believe we hit it already, but the adrenal piece, uh– with Cortisol stress, with adrenal problems. You can also pack the conversion of T4 to T3 hormone there. So you got to get your adrenals checklist.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Oh yeah. We got to hit that, man.

Evan Brand: Yeah. So…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: So, if you’re working on your thyroid, but you’re not working on your gut, and your adrenals, your results are likely going to not be very good, because adrenal stress is gonna reduce the conversion rate. And then, you can go back to it. But let me say one other thing. I had a client this morning. She was trying to justify uh– eating gluten, and grains, and crackers and stuf like that, because of her food-sensitivity test.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Exactly where I was going, man. You’ve read my mind.

Evan Brand: Alright. Her food-sensitivity test said, “I’m not sensitive to gluten.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: And so, she’s still doing gluten. I said, throw your food-sensitivity test away.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: yeah. I mean the big issue, right. Some of the non-celiac gluten sensitivity research. People that weren’t even gluten-sensitive, they have increased gut permeability.

Evan Brand: Say that again. Just to make sure that it’s like super clear for people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. People that weren’t gluten-sensitive, right, they weren’t like celiac, they weren’t like having any gluten issues, based on conventional standards, when they got exposed to gluten, they noticed some level of leaky gut, some level of permeability in the gut. Based on the study’s objective criteria diagnosis for it. So that means, more leaky gut, means more immunogenic compounds, undigested foods, LPS, Casein, right – all these things. Dysbiotic bacteria may get into that bloodstream, may start to cause some immune system kind of pissed off, right? Then it may go out looking for that thyroid tissue, or maybe even uhm– the pancreas, or other tissues, or other autoimmune tissues.

Evan Brand: Or even if it doesn’t go straight to that, the gluten could still cause a leaky gut situation, which then sets you up. So, when you go to Sushi Night, you could go pick up Blasto, or some other parasite, which then causes even more damage…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah

Evan Brand: …which then leads to the antibodies. SO, one way or another, you’re setting yourself up. There’s really just no justification for gluten in the diet.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, exactly. I won’t give any press to the book. It’s out there right now. We’ve talked about it before.

Evan Brand: [inaudible]

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. People say, “Oh. Gluten this and that, maybe okay.” Not necessarily okay. I don’t think it’s uhm– something that people should be consuming. Some people may be able to handle it. Again, if you’re gonna consume gluten, you better off doing it and uhm– sourdough form, if you’re gonna do it. Or, you know, if  you are healthier, right, and you’re on the right track. Every now and then you wanna do a little bit of white rice, as a treat. As long as you’re doing good, as long as you’re on point, right, then I think that’s okay.

Evan Brand: Yep. Yeah, for sure. Alright now, uhm– there was something else. I interrupted you. I hit the Adrenal piece, and I had to talk about the food-sensitivity testing and the lady trying to justify gluten.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that was it. I think we hit it, and I think just the– the adrenal imbalance, whether high Cortisol or low. So, Chronic stress, low cortisol, with the reverse Cortisol rhythm, or acute stress, really high Cortisol, both can affect your thyroid conversion and activation.

Evan Brand: Yep, yep. Got it. So, I mean, yes. You can take adaptogenic herbs. We love, we promote those, but that’s still not addressing the root cause. So if you hate your job, we can give you all the Ashwagandha, Rhodiola, uh– Siberian Ginseng in the world, and we’re gonna help you adapt to the stress, but you still got to remove the stress. It’s like I know you see the analogy of the engine life, putting the tape over the uh – the check engine light in the car. I like the analogy of like a doorbell too. Like if you keep pushing the doorbell. Uh– your still gonna have issues. You can try to like disable a doorbell, but it’s still being pressed. Like, you hate your job, or you’ve got a turbo relationship. I had a woman, who she told me. She said straight up, “Evan, until I divorce my husband, I will not get better.” And I said, “Well, I fully support you in that decision.” And now, she’s going through the divorce. She’s already starting to lose weight, just based on the reduction of the emotional stress. So I think that’s just amazing, and unfortunately, that happens. But, if you wanna be healthy, you got to make some tough decisions, sometimes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I agree. I appreciate you’d actually given me credit for that analogy. I thought you were gonna pawn that one off of yourself.

Evan Brand: [laughs] No, definitely not.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Good, ‘cause I wasn’t gonna give you, like, two Paleo demerits for that, but I’ll hold those back.

Evan Brand: Appreciate it. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Good. You got a credit in a bank of Dr. J here. Excellent. So, I think we hit everything: the Cortisol stuff, we hit the gut stuff. Someone over here, I’ll try him in. So, someone talked about this is functional medicine on demand, can Candida hang around in the thyroid? Candida can create things known as acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde can be inflammatory, right. Like, it’s one of the products of alcohol. So that can be inflammatory and really affect things. Candida can also get the immune system wrap up. Uhm –  Candida or acetaldehyde in the gut can convert in the Salsolinol. Salsolinol’s known to increase uhm– antibodies to uhm– receptors for dopamine in the substantia nigra midbrain. So, that can create other issues with autoimmunity, so yeah. Candida is not a good thing either. And that’s, you know, that’s according to conventional medicine, not really to exist at all. But we see it all the time.

Evan Brand: Oh, yeah. I mean, Honestly, and I think I may have mentioned this. I told you this or I told people on the air already, uh– sorry if I’ve repeated myself. I’m sure we do that all the time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: But, when I first started learning about Candida and yeast, I thought, “Oh, candida, Yeast.” You know, I kind of put it on like the bottom of the totem pole, below bacteria and below parasites, in terms of the effect on the body. But I’ve seen all kinds of crazy stuff with Candida alone, where it’s like, whether it’s brain fog, depression, fatigue, cravings, I mean, something that sounds so benign. “Oh, Candida,” “I’m gonna do a Candida Cleanse.” It’s like, a lot of people promote it, kind of like– almost like it doesn’t exist, or almost like, it’s a trendy topic, and you can just do some type of, like, “Candida Cleanse smoothie”, “go buy my online candida program and you’re gonna get better”. It doesn’t work that way. But, candida can affect almost everybody’s system, whether it’s adrenals, whether it’s gut, whether it’s Lewd…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Evan Brand: …depression, anxiety, etc., It can all stem just from a Yeast overgrowth. And I would say, you tell me if your stats are different on your side of clients, but for me, I’ve seen about, nine out of every ten people, shows up with Yeast.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, and the big issue with Candida and Yeast is that, some people have it but, it’s just the tip of the Iceberg. The other infections that may trumpet, so to speak in the hierarchy. So, Candida may be an issue in some people, it can be a main issue. Right? Like, we’ll run a Stool Test, and we’ll see it like, “Oh. We have some Candida there.” And then we’ll look at another test. Nothing else comes back. And then on uh– Organic Acids. We’ll see the Arabinose, or the Arabinitol, really high, so we’ll, “Okay. This really maybe a Candida issue.” And then we’d see some clinical symptoms, like uhm– Seborrheic dermatitis or Cradle cap, or just you know, dandruff. You may see some yellow-discolored fingernails, maybe some white coating in the mouth, maybe some tinea versicolor rash. Right? We may see some of those things that may say, “Hey. This may be a primary Candida issue and we hit it hard.”

Evan Brand: You said that a bit quick. The tinea– what’s that? Yeah. It’s like little blotches on the skin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay. They just look like little blotches, and it’s uhm– it’s pretty smooth to the skin. It’s not really itchy. It doesn’t really spread but you want to kind of gross yourself out. Just put it in the Google images, and you’ll see the umpteenth degree of it. But it’s just gentle blotches on the skin. They tend to be a little [inaudible]and scarred.

Evan Brand: I know sometimes people may think it’s that but it could be like Keratosis pilaris instead.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Keratosis pilaris tends to be a little bit more flaky, and uhm– that tends to hit the back of the arms. [inaudible]…

Evan Brand: Yeah. Such like on your triceps he’s pointing to.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …like little back here. Right? That tends to be essential fatty acid stuff. So again, if you’re having issues digesting fats, someone in our live chat, so they don’t break down fat well. Hope you get the gut work done, ‘cause that’s a big, big component. ’Cause if you’re not breaking down fat well, you’re probably not breaking down protein well, either.

Evan Brand: So that would mean, if you’re spinning your heart and money on a good quality fish oil, then you could be potentially wasting your money even if it’s triglyceride form, if digestion’s compromised.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean, most underrated supplements out there, if you were to start on two things: enzymes and HCl. That’s it. Enzymes and HCl get the diet. [clears throat] Excuse me; frog at me. Get the diet a hundred percent dialed-in so, you can actually break down that food. Put the money on the food quality. Get the food quality up.

Evan Brand: Yep. I had a lady tell me, she’s like, “I feel so much better by doing Apple cider vinegar. I don’t notice taking enzymes and HCl.” And I was like, “Okay. You can try it. But I– I’ve still think HCl and enzymes do better than just …

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh.

Evan Brand: …apple cider vinegar but– so…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Apple cider vinegar’s a great starting point if someone’s like, “Ooh. I don’t know. I’d had some bad reactions to HCl.” Okay. Great let’s just start with the teaspoon of apple cider, but, we’re gonna go with food in your belly first. And then they’ll do good, alright, let’s go to a tablespoon. [crosstalk] Okay, let’s go to–

Evan Brand: You know what I’d do? I make a little tonic. I’ll do like uh– apple cider vinegar. I recently got uh–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: …a lime, or like a citrus, squeezer. So, I’ll do like uh– a lime or lemon and uh– apple cider vinegar in there. And then, sometimes, I’ll add like some Vitamin C, or I’ll add that adrenal tincture I told you about. I’ll add that tincture to it. And it’s like a great little tonic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think that’s great, and then, typically, then we do a little graduation ceremony when we go from that apple cider vinegar to the HCl. That’s the next step.

Evan Brand: Yep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any of the comments said? What do you think, man?

Evan Brand: I think we should wrap it up. I think we’d hit a lot of different triggers here. And if people want to learn more, you’ve done plenty of videos on Hashimoto’s. We’ve done more podcasts on this, so there’s hours of more content, I’m sure, that we’ve created on this. So, just go on justinhealth.com. You can search Hashimoto’s or search thyroid. You could check out my site too, Evan Brand, and make sure you’re subscribed. So, if you want to join in on the conversation, we can answer your questions on the fly. And, of course, if you want to work with Justin, visit his site too, jusyinhealth.com. You can schedule. If you want to schedule with me, same thing, evanbrand.com. And, we’re available. We deal with this stuff all the time, and don’t take no for an answer. Somebody says, “No, I’m not gonna run these antibodies, then you leave.” You fire them because, if you want to get on the root cause of your issue. You have to have the biomarkers. If you’re guessing and checking, you’re building up your supplement graveyard, you’re not gonna get better that way. You really got to get these number on a piece of paper first, because you got to be able to track them and we have to be able to see. “Okay, look. Once we did this, we fix your gut. We got the adrenal support.” And look at the antibodies, drop, drop, drop, drop. And then eventually, “Hey. Maybe you don’t have a thyroid problem anymore.” And it’s totally possible we do it all the time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome. So, here’s the sequence. Ready? Instead of buying crap food, you increase the food quality, and you choose the right kinds of food. That’s number one. That will start to get– that will start to lower inflammation, and give you more energy. As you start having more energy, you can start cutting the emotional stress out of your life. Get used to it with your spouse. Work on it with your spouse. Get a book on communication. Get it– things fixed with your kids. Do your best to fix things at work. Whatever other stressors, all dealing with emotional stress takes energy. So most people that have a lot of emotional stress, typically they don’t have the energy to deal with it. So, get the energy up by just getting the food right. Then you can start to deal with the emotional stress. And then, once that’s kind of dialed-in, you can start adding in some supplements to fast-track it. first set iss gonna be digestive support, and after that, you really want to work with the functional medicine doc to get everything else dialed-in. But work on the foundational stuff first, and then make sure while you’re doing all that, you’re not causing yourself to spin around in a rabbit wheel. While you’re doing excessive exercise, too much CrossFit, just so you’re getting drained with that. And then if you can combine in the good sleep and the good hydration, now you’re set. So, now, when you go see a functional medicine doc, it’s like, “Boom!” You hit the ground running.

Evan Brand: Oh, man. We could– we could have done a whole podcast just on CrossFit and thyroid issues, so maybe for a future day. But yeah, over exercise – I have a lady last week. She said, she exercises CrossFit six or seven times a week. She’s doing CrossFit, and like, “Gosh!” way too much.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And a CrossFit may be great if you’re – if you’re already healthy, if you’re diet’s spot on, if  you’re resting hard, if you’re doing some good things, post-workouts and pre-workouts to recover. But if you’re not there, it’s not gonna be the best thing for you to start off. Unless, you’re a gym’s got a really good On-Ramp Program, and they get the Arm Wrap style in, where they’re not doing some, you know– they have some great timing with their Arm Wraps, then it’s probably okay. But you got to go somewhere where there’s a good Arm Wrap Program.

Evan Brand: But even then, even if you were optimally healthy like you were talking about, would you still tell somebody, “Go do seven days a week in CrossFit?”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No. No,– the only– I mean, professional athletes do that if they want, but they’re taking naps, and that’s their job during the day. But, the average person, typically, I would say, maxes four times a week.

Evan Brand: Working, living a life, being a parent or uh– spouse, I mean, it’s tough.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And, ideally, spread it out. Right? Monday, Tuesday– Monday, Wednesday, Friday gig, you know. During the week, trying to keep a day off in between.

Evan Brand: Yep, yep. Well said. You said something else in your, in your small rant. I forgot what it was. I was gonna– I was gonna ping off of it. But I guess we should wrap this thing up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I mean, it’s funny, like, you ping me at lunch time, “Let’s do a podcast, alright.” And then we’re like “Only fifteen minutes. Only. That’s it.” Then, it’s all like, an hour later, “Damn it!”

Evan Brand: I know. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: “What happened?”

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We tried to be disciplined. 

Evan Brand: I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright. Well, I think we hit all the good stuff on the foundatinal side. Is there anything you wanted to add to the foundational piece?

Evan Brand: That’s exactly what it was. Blood sugar balance, make sure that that’s keep.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: That was exactly a blood sugar balance, hydration, you’re getting your good minerals, using your good salts, uh – using trace minerals if you have to, trace mineral supplements if needed.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Evan Brand: Uh– we talked about the fatty acids with the fish oil. Optimizing HCl and enzymes, supporting the liver, gull bladder, supporting detox pathways, supporting methylation if you have to, uh– and looking for the root cause, getting the testing. Without the [crosstalk] testing, you’re guessing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. [crosstalk] Love it. Excellent. Alright. Evan, I’m gonna go hang up here on YouTube. I’ll go say goodbye on my Facebook peeps, and we’ll talk real soon, my man.

Evan Brand: Take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Take care.

Evan Brand: Bye.

Evan Brand: Bye.

 

REFERENCE/S:

“Hashimoto’s Protocol” by Izabella Wentz

www.evanbrand.com

www.justinhealth.com

https://www.youtube.com/user/JustInHealth

 

 

Bridgit Danner – Hormone Balance After 40 – Podcast #138

Click here to sign up for the “Hormone Balance After 40” Summit!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Bridgit Danner engage in a discussion about hormone issues in women at the age of 40. Learn how hormones work and understand their driving factors and effects on women. 

Gain beneficial information about hormonal balance and imbalance. Find out about the diseases one can get from an unbalanced diet and lifestyle. Be informed on ways to cope with hormonal problems as Dr. Bridgit Danner shares some tips and natural solutions based on her knowledge and expertise as a functional medicine doctor.

Bridgit Danner

In this episode, we will cover:

11:05   How Sugar Intake Affects Hormones

25:35   Relationship Between Cholesterol and Menopause

33:10   Liver Detoxification and Hormone Balancing

39:52   Supplements to Balance Hormones

46:53   Cortisol Spikes at a Time in a Day
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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey there. It’s Dr. Justin Marchegiani. Today we have Bridgit Danner on the Podcast, really excited. She’s got a new summit, “Hormone Balance After 40,” coming out in the next few weeks, so we’re excited to talk about some female hormone issues and drop some serious knowledge bombs today. Bridgit, how are you doing?

Bridgit Banner: Great. Thanks for having me on Justin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. Well, I know we kind of were doing a little recording earlier and got cut off, but let’s continue with that question. So you did a summit. You interviewed lots of experts on female hormone issues. What were those top three nuggets that you gleaned from the summit. Now, obviously there will be a “Summaries” we want everyone to tune in. We’ll put links below so people can access this great info too. But what are those couple of tidbit nuggets?

Bridgit Banner: Yes, and I say number one is, you know, menopauses. Inevitable. But uh– your symptom level is changeable. So, you know, it’s not like oh well I just have to have Hot Flashes, or gain 20 pounds, or…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: …get an Ambien like, no. So- but just like you do on your practice, it’s often getting to the root of like, “how did you get into perimenopause”, “in an imbalance state, are you exposed to toxins”, “do you have a gut infection”, “are your adrenals running down.” So, you know it can be a- a tough time for women, but also a great time to like okay– like maybe I’ve been ignoring my health a bit as I’ve crushed my 30’s and like raised kids. And, you know, now it’s like I’m starting to feel something’s catching up to me. You know, I want to eat well. I want my hormones to be as balanced as they can. And there is, there is a lot to be offered. And there’s a lot to learn. So that’s, that’s one thing. Another thing we talked about a minute ago was uhmm– the good fats and oils. Wow, just– there’s like, one great tip I have for women at this age group is adding in some beneficial oils that help your hormone production, help your prostaglandin production, uhhmm–, things like borage oil and hemp oil. These, these things, they’re not food we eat, really.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: You know. We talked about Paleo. Yeah great. There’s some great ingredients there but, like, no one eats, like, borage flowers.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Borage oil or black currant seed oil too.

Bridgit Banner: No. No one has those things.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: So those can be some really beneficial supplement. Uhhmm– another one comes to mind is sleeping. You know, working on improving sleep quality at this age because it can really be disrupted as your hormones change. But yeah, it’s so important because we’re healing. And yeah I wrote an article like sleep is our fountain of youth because we have all these growth hormones that happens when we sleep. So it’s so important to get good night sleep. There’s lots of things we covered. One talk I really liked was on metabolism, which I think is like, women are just like, “Oh well, I’m screwed after 40, you know, my metabolism.” But that’s not really true though. And that can be, that can be hacked. Uhhmm– it’s just mentioning Dr. Rina Marie ____?Liscosov?____...

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: … on awesome talks about blood sugar and how balancing blood sugar is, is incredibly powerful as we age to, you know, stay energetic. So, yeah. Lots of, lots of good options. There is hope.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very cool. And you mentioned that first one where you’re talking about prostaglandins or the eicosanoids, which are the same thing. And we have kind of our, our One, Two, and Three pathway. The Two is really, like, the inflammatory, like the pro, like, the refined vegetable oil tend to go that pathway a lot, like, the refined meat tends to go down that pathway. Then we have the One and the Three, right which you mentioned. And the Three is like the big one that we hit with some of those Omega-6 fats but the healthy kind of Gamma-lenoleic fats – the black currant, the borage oil, right? Is that correct? Is that a good summary?

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. I kind of remember that I’ve looked up at the three pathways, and now I can’t remember which number is which. So you see, but yeah, basically there gonna be balancing inflammation, anti-inflammatory, uhh – building hormones. Just all the good stuff. You know, you need all of them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: The body needs the total balancing. Heck, some inflammation is good. Some increase in blood pressure is good. But then you need something to balance in like…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: …being able to get the blood pressure back down. So yeah, those, those are really – and fish oil too. You know, fish oil is in as much like in vogue as, you know, when everyone start to take you to, you know, ten years ago or whatever.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: But it’s still valuable, and an– as  also anti-inflammatory…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: …sparks these pathways too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think the fish oil really helps that prostaglandin in Two pathway and kind of dampen it. And then we have the One and the Three which on those paths, and I see Gamma-lenoleic fat like you mentioned. Then it also helped with hormonal acne too. So if you’re female and you have done a lot of good diet changes but you’re still having some skin stopple. Number one always cross off the gut too, right. That’s the really important thing. But if the guts addressed, I see the black currant or the borage oil – those types of oils really help the skin health too.

Bridgit Banner: And the Zinc? Do you guys use Zinc in your practice?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Oh, Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah, that’s– I’m learning more about Zinc, and it’s good for skin health, good for helping you make progesterone. Uh–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: …and it’s in meat and stuff, you know, talking about a Paleo diet but you know, it’s all– we  still could be not getting enough, or not digesting enough, so  uhhmm– you know, how much it take. You know, one of my friends is careful about metals. She’s like don’t take too much Zinc. But, you know, I think, if you’re going through some of these hormonal changes, you could do more, like 30 milligrams Zinc. Uhhmm– you know, really up those fatty acids, and, you know, just see how you respond.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. I think, too, if you’re low in Zinc, you really take a peek at the hydrochloric acid levels. Make sure you’re digesting those healthy meats, ‘cause meats are gonna be the big source. Seafood, meats, I think pumpkin seeds as well are really big in Zinc, as well.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Linolate in seeds. Ahuh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And a couple objective ways to even tell how you’re doing with Zinc is, number one, look at your blood test. Look at the alkaline phosphatase marker. If you’re 50 or below, there could be a sign of Zinc deficiency, and then number two is a Zinc Tally Test. I think it’s a Zinc Chloride. I think It’s a Zinc Chloride or salt – one of  the two. Take a shot of that, and if it taste metallic-y that’s the sign that you probably are Zinc-sufficient. If it taste more liquid or neutral, it’s a sign of your being Zinc-deficient. The better it taste means the more you need it. The more metallic-y, the more you kind of being repulsed by it, meaning the less – you say, the more replete you are of it.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. It’s one of the funniest test to get in the clinic…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: … ‘cause like, you know, like, “What am I doing. What am I supposed to be experiencing?” And I’ve also found in my practice that it’s often is best to start in the liquid Zinc to like – once you start to absorb some, then you tend to– let you switch to a pill. I’m not really sure what it is. Is it a digestion issue? I just feel it often works better to start from like a couple of bottles of the liquid. You’re not really getting a high dose, but it seems to like absorb better.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Better. Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: And then you can take Zinc pill.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I totally agree. I think the only thing is to know with Zinc if you’re gonna go really high just make sure there’s a tiny Copper in there just so you don’t throw the Copper too much. You know, ‘cause Zinc and Copper are on the seesaws. So if you go really high in Zinc, they can rob the Copper down. But there’s a lot of people that are worried of Copper toxicity anyway, so if you…

Bridgit Banner: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …are gonna go above a hundred milligram or so, add a tiny bit of Copper in there.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Most of us, are– a hundred milligram, yeah, is a lot. And most of us are getting sources of Copper but not enough of Zinc.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I hundred percent agree. So that was tip number one with the really good Omega-6 fatty acids – the healthy Omega-6, not the refined fish oils. What’s number two?

Bridgit Banner: Uh– tip from the whole summit? Hmmmn–.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just what resonate with you the most? ‘Cause you’re also a clinician. A clinician looks at things a lot differently. You know, you’re looking at things of, “hey what can I do to actually change a clinical outcome of my patients.”

Bridgit Banner: Well, I’ll tell you something we beat up a lot, up on a lot in the summit well– which is wine. You know it’s almost like become a caricature of a middle-aged woman with a glass of wine. You know, wine with the friends, with to come down, and I think it’s, perhaps it’s like, it starts with like a self-medication. It starts like from a busy day, and like it helps me sleep, and then it starts to be real consistent. And, you know, some people listening to your show might be having some couple glasses of wine every night, but they still may be having some more than they need to be. Because they don’t really need it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: So I think, you know, it’s a change we people like don’t wanna make at first but if you say like I, I would say, you know, don’t feel like you have to do it forever. You know, give me a month. Give me a month, and say I’ll do this for a month, and then just see what happens in your body. And, you know, see if you lose weights, see if you’re thinking clear, see if you have more energy in the morning. So yeah I think that those things in midlife that women tend to be like turning towards, that we can turn away from, and have – you know. Those are coping mechanisms, you know. Coping even for a social situations. Like when I’m nervous, I kind’a have that strength, you know. It’s just coping but you know midlife is about expanding, and like becoming more and better, and not just coping. And you know, let’s tune in and like give and tell how to go to bed sooner. You know, all those basics first. Swing then to some more specifics. But you gotta do the basics first, right? You can’t be like. “Oh no, I can’t be this way. I can’t. I’m anxious.” You gotta take that one out. Just try to take out little sweet things, all that blood sugar, you know roller coaster. It’s depleting you of nutrients that you need to make hormones. It’s just making you feel off. And with midlife, and we talk about what the hormones are doing in midlife. There’s just that already a propensity, if we’re not careful, to go a little off and feel a little off. So just wanna create like steadiness in our habits and bodies so that we can weather those changes easier.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. That makes a lot of sense. In Dr. Diana Schwarzbein’s books, she did a book, The Schwarzbein’s Principle, about ten years ago. She’s a – an endocrinologist at the Sta. Barbara, USC Grad, and she talks about women turning towards wine because they’re a natural polyphenols that really help modulate estrogen levels. So as you go into menopause, those ovaries aren’t producing as much hormones, and the adrenals are being relied upon more, right? So the more you swing the blood sugar, the more blood the adrenals get whipped. Anyway, it’s kind of modulating some of those estrogen receptor sites.

Bridgit Banner: Huh– I hadn’t heard about that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I heard people going into the alcohol. 

Bridgit Banner: I hadn’t heard about that. But then there’s also like modulate serotonin which makes us feel good at the moment. You know…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well alcohol’s a sugar, right? It’ll break down the sugar, and sugar will boost up serotonin, dopamine as well. So, I think there’s a lot of different things that are happening there for sure.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cool. So that’s number two. I think you alluded to with the sugar as well, because when you take sugar, right, you get this hormonal adrenal roller coaster ride – insulin on the high, Cortisol on the low. Meaning when your blood sugar goes up, pancreas produces insulin to push it back down, which then drives more lipogenesis fat creation. But then when the bottom’s __?zow?___, the adrenals have to pick it back up. Adrenaline and Cortisol which then pull from some of your sex hormones. Can you talk more about blood sugar roller coaster with hormones?

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. So, one thing is like for insulin resistance, we cannot, hormone receptors can get blocked up. Uhhmm– so that’s one thing. It definitely can hurt your gut environment, bacterial imbalance, and you need your gut health to clear used estrogens. So even though hormones are coming down, some of the estrogen is often dominant. Progesterone’s falling faster because not every month we ovulate, it’s not very strong. So we need our gut healthy to clear estrogen. I was just doing some research recently and even just like one drink a day can give you SIBO. Uhhmm– yeah, like, there’s, you can’t feed that stuff. You really need to– I get heat up a lot in the summit. And that healthy gut – I’ve kind’a had clients too. You know we just took on and agreed with clients on our coaching program. Man, the stuff we find in our guts are all sorts of things.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: So, it could be hard to make that connection between the gut and hormones, but it’s going on. It’s happening. So, if you can nourish that gut, and not feed it sugars, you know that’s one way to clear. Uh– what else? I mean, I think that most of sugary foods yeah– are devoid of nutrients, and they’re hard on your pancreas, and in your, in your insulin. But they are also hard on your liver, you know, to be processing and dealing with that. And you need your liver healthy to be, you know, doing its job of clearing homrmones and all that stuff, so yeah. Avoiding toxins, when there’s your food being toxic, your body cream, or your perfume, or your, you know carby cleaner. You know, just…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: …really what, cutting down on all that stuff. We kind’a segued on the topic. But that came out a lot too, just like, maybe it’s time that– say, maybe if you think that well this stuff never bothered me before, but now if you’re having hormonal symptoms, it’s time to reassess.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That makes a lot of sense. So hormones are really affected by a lot of these toxins, ‘cause a lot of these toxins are essentially Xenoestrogens, right? ‘Xeno’ means ‘far’ and ‘estrogen’ is an ‘estrogen’ hormone. So if we’re getting impacted by a Xenoestrogen in the environment through pesticides, through chemicals, cleaning products, that can really affect our hormones, can’t it?

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Very much so, and you know, all stored fat tissue can make extra estrogen too. Or we, you know we make fat tissue as a place to store toxins that our liver can’t handle processing because it’s, you know, so busy handling everything else. So from the connections we did, the toxins and the fat tissue and uhhmm– you know women, say, really our concern about gaining weight at this age as well. So yeah, cleaning up your habits. I mean, nowadays, there’s so many options, and they weren’t all nasty. But there’s not a research in this uhhmm– like clean, you know, clean hands soap without fragrance, then you know, one I mentioned carpet cleaner like. It’s funny sometimes you, where you forgot to look like where you forget to look like. At our, our old house, we had a carpet cleaner, and I just buy like a standard mix that you stick in there. And I realize, “Oh my gosh. What am I doing, like, this is full of chemicals.” I don’t know where in the world will I ever go to get like a natural carpet cleaner soap. And it’s, it was like one mile away – my natural grocery store. So sometimes it’s like you just forget to check certain things, but start checking. You start looking at your labels. Uhhmm– I have this, you know, I’m really hitting homes to eat organic as much as possible. And those little cheat treats, and treaks– excuse me, treats and cheese we do, those are often why we’re getting exposed to the most toxins. Like you know, if you have a little cheat and have something like a cookie, you know that, that we may have been sprayed with glyphosate, and that’s like very toxic to your gut that we talked about. It’s like an anabolic for your gut. So, I, you know, it sounds like a lot of work to be like, “Oh I have to be so clean and pure.” This sounds so horrible, but you know, just do it like it an experiment, and also know like you’re worth it. It’s not like, like, “I have to be healthy, like it’s the worst thing ever.” It’s like you can very much be happy enjoying a healthy lifestyle as you and I do. ‘Cause you have more mental power. You know, it’s like, you’re more comfortable on honestly with yourself. You’re getting a good night sleep when your moods are more balanced. You just like, life can like, be anything that you want when you’re healthy. But when you’re scoping, and having a cookie, and a coffee and whatnot, then you’re standing by. It’s gonna catch up to you too. We have one of our ____ to talked about disease, like cancer. You know, sadly, those are around the corner. You know in our 40’s that could happen. It’s gonna happen sooner but I think like when I was in my 30’s those just sounds like concepts, so far away, but, they’re coming for you. So, midlife is a great time to get better habits ‘cause no one wants to be, you know, in the doctor’s office talking about a heart disease, or could have been cancer. You know what one’s at.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean when you’re dealing with lots of, for me in the patients’ sects. I’m interacting with lots of patients every week. We always talk about getting people to a baseline level of health, because, once people get there, the little bit of cheating that they do at the other side of the fence may throw them out of that performance on for days. The reward you get for here just is not worth the momentary, few minutes, maybe an hour of pleasure, right? So number two is figure out what that thing you want over here – let’s just say it’s alcohol. There’s different versions of alcohol. Not all alcohol are the same, right? I think it’s Dry Crepe Wines, they got a really good wine that’s gonna be low on microtoxin, low on all of the crap and the excipients and also low on the sugar. So if you want wine, they’re healthy versions of wine, healthy versions of alcohol, healthy versions of treats that will give you that mull feel, that pleasure, but not take you out of that performance zone for very long.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah yes, I know. I tried those wines, and they gave me a headache in like three sips. It doesn’t work for me. And it might just be the sugars. I know they say it’s zero sugar, I think that’s what they say with the Dry Crepe Wines, but that wasn’t my experience. So, I…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And for me too, I’m on the same place. I normally get headaches. I typically don’t do wine. I do a sparkling champagne, or I do hard alcohol, Tito’s vodka with kombucha, ginger kombucha. Then I make my own little Moscow mule.  Either that. So, those are my two favorites. So I agree, not a big wine person outside of the Sparkle.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah, yeah, there’s different options. I mean, I recently got my Galitoxin and I have some Candida there. And you know, I don’t have a a word but sometimes, the way I react to sugar and alcohol is a bust since the Candida. Loving it up as  soon as it comes in my mouth. So, kind’a listen to your body too. Uhh– yeah. Don’t just listen to me  and Dr. Justin. Just try stuff, you know, try giving up wine for and if, you know, try getting it back in and see, you know, what your limit is. Like what is – you know, not that I never ever had a drink, but it’s pretty rare, because I just don’t want to hinder the progressions so just a month. But then yeah, everybody’s gonna find their different thing, but I think to clean up and say it’s temporary, it’s something I’m doing for my health to experiment, then you get to be the owner of how much you put it back.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely, men. Tip number two is that don’t drink alcohol on an empty stomach, ‘cause that will, a little bit of fat in there will slow down that absorption so it won’t spike your blood sugar, hit your liver as hard. And then number two, activated charcoal is phenomenal, the kind of buff around those toxic bird too.

Bridgit Banner: I don’t know, like after an evening? Or..

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I typically take it along with it. And then a …

Bridgit Banner: Uhh–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: … a lot of time I’ll take my line, I use a liver supreme which is like milk thistle and some extra B Vitamins. You know so you get some herbs to tonify the liver a bit. And then some extra B vitamins which, you know, your body will burn out to actually help detoxify the alcohol, as well. A lot of alcoholics are deficient in B1.

Bridgit Banner: Hhhn– interesting. I’ll pay that man that say I use charcoal or clay like a fat instantly when I feel bloated. I’ve been telling that all to my clients ‘cause it’s like yeah, we wanna avoid those things that make us feel bloated. But sometimes to we accidentally have them. And then, urrh– so,  those two things really helped me to take in the evening if I’m feeling.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah. Even conventional medicine, I mean, I went to an ER, college roommate, many years back, ___ him on alcohol and at the ER. I mean they had him drinking the whole cup of activated charcoal in liquid form, in the ER.

Bridgit Banner: Oh my God.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So even in the ER, all that stuff.

Bridgit Banner: Interesting.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Interesting.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Crazy, yeah. Back to the female hormone stuff. Tip number three.

Bridgit Banner: Hmmmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: By the way, we got some questions lined up, so once we get through with the…

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. I like it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …go to a rapid, rapid answer. Kind of  a Q and A.

Bridgit Banner: Okay. Let’s see. Some other things that came up on the summit, say are like, ‘spacing out your eating’ came up. Having a longer time between dinner and breakfast. You know, not snacking, kind of for blood sugar, and also for gut. There’s a certain bacteria, I can’t remember what it’s called. It needs long and regular periods. We built it soft, so having that space with a gut. What else did we talk about? Oh we talked a little bit about Keto and you know, having that high fat diet, not being afraid of fats. The only interesting that came up on that talk was fiber? Uhhmm– and that it can, it’s irritating, so, you know, thinking like you need a ton of salads and vegetables, or grains, or whatever. It’s irritating, you know. But you can eat some rich foods like liver, that actually, oh, oh my God. For some people that I know. But that, that came out of my speaker thing. I’m not always the greatest to remember my tips, like my, like from my – you know, like from my– let  me try to see some of my speakers…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Cool.

Bridgit Banner: … to see the fun things we talked about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. So while you’re doing that, to– yeah, yeah. Let’s head up to some questions. So off the bat, Diana wants to know, do grains, of course, could grain-free, of course – Do grains, I think she’s referring to Gluten-free, do grains, like corn and rice, increase bad estrogens? Why do some people do so well on grains, I don’t?

Bridgit Banner: Hmmmm– That’s a great question. So I think we could say that’s possible that some grains could push that, and you know you should try it on those stuff soon.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Yeah. I would say, I would say off the bat, I would say off the bat, there’s a higher level of Gluten-sensitivity genetically with yourself Diana. That’s gonna create more inflammation, a more leaky gut. That’s number one. The more inflammation that’s going on there that’s gonna take your hormones out of balance because with the more inflamed you are, Cortisol’s gonna increase, Insulin maybe out of balance, that may skew your progesterone to estrogen ratio, ‘cause you’ll pull progesterone downstream to anti-inflammatory Cortisol so that can create more estrogen dominance. Also, a lot of grains are gonna be contaminated with microtoxins and can increase LPS in the gut. And the more lipopolysaccharide that’s there as well that can potentially increase beta-glucuronidase, which is an enzyme that deconjugates metabolized estrogen and puts it back in the circulation. So the more inflammatory foods, the more foods that feed this biosis, where bad bacteria increases beta-glucuronidase which can unconjugate–deconjugate. So conjugation is nothing more than a hormone with a straightjacket around it that’s typically a protein. And that beta-glucuronidase opens it up and allows it back in the circulation which can affect your hormones so for sure.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. That’s probably a lot more detailed than what I’d say. I would say, you did a good– you potentially irritate your gut and create some inflammation. I even wonder if some of them could like we talked about those prostaglandin pathways earlier. I wonder if some of them could push some of those more inflammatory pathways. And then I think like with stress, chronic stress, you know, your gut lining can be thinner, and not as robust, and then things are more irritating too. And then the quantities that’s really easy to overeat – grains, uhhmm– and then carbs, and then that sugar, and like, you know, the fat tissue produces more estrogen, the inflammation is blocking the receptors.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: I think that for women, life is really finding ratio in their diets. Like, what is like, enough carbs and oils, if you know, what is like a serving size, or, you know, how many drinks is like, you know, that pushes me over, well kind of bloated. You know, it might not clear in my head anymore. So I think finding that ratio is really important. And still while women are having a protein, and a protein in the morning, you start– you brought this in your talk. Uhhmm– yeah, just getting like those whole animal, like cooking the whole chicken, getting a lot, like robust, you know, variety of fats. Uhhmm– anything is okay to have some like we talked about the nuts, seeds oils to, to do some seeds cycling. Uhh– we have like, a blog people can find to do some seed cycling challenge. People really went  with that. Probably the fiber, probably the oils on those nuts and seeds can be helpful.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Absolutely. Totally. Next stop here is there relationship, is there a relationship with cholesterol, high cholesterol and menopause?

Bridgit Banner: Yeah? So we, I kind’a heard two things, I would say two things. One is that we need cholesterol to make hormones, so sometimes it’s rising up like naturally to produce more hormones in this time. Uhhmm– but then our keynote speaker would say, you know, if you’re not eating, consuming enough cholesterol, your body will be forced to make more cholesterol. So we wanna to kind of avoid that by giving our body that cholesterols. Uhhmm – say the question again. Was it the correlation…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so there’s a connection – the relationship between menopause occurring and higher cholesterol.

Bridgit Banner: I think there is an occurrence with it. But I think it’s, if you feel your cholesterol is out of range and those speeches are like debatable. But, you know, our speaker on Heart Health said, you know, that the quickest way to heart disease is through sugar. So it’s more like, body’s getting inflamed from the sugar, and then cholesterol is kind of increasing to repair it. So, I think to some extent, cholesterol could go up at this age naturally? But if it’s like sky high and your diet is very poor, full of sugars, it could be something to look at.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I agree. I mean if you, if your diet isn’t quite in check in insulin resistance going on, that will get worse over time, and insulin does drive that hemometagluteracoreboductase enzyme that stimulates cholesterol synthesis. We can’t forget that majority of cholesterols may be by your liver. Typically, insulin sort of drive it. Poor diet doesn’t have insulin to check. That’s one vector. A second vector that could be a subclinical thyroid issue, and low thyroid function will cost cholesterol…

Bridgit Banner: That’s true.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …to go up.

Bridgit Banner: It’s a good point. Yeah. This is uhhmm – I would. The most common time to be diagnosed is menopausal. But second to that is perimenopausal, post-partum, uhh– I think puberty is in there. I don’t, I don’t work for that age group as much but, yeah all, every time the hormones’ changing, the estrogen can be dominant, think about after you have a PB, estrogen is very high ‘cause you’re not cycling. It’s not as high as, you know, the other times, but there’s an imbalance. There’s other things we could talk about too, but uhhmm– when the estrogen is like affecting, estrogen being high and relative to progesterone is affecting your immune system, and that could be autoimmune thyroid or that could be just an estrogen dominant thyroid condition. So that was a great point Justin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. I think uhh– the last piece to that puzzle is, “Does it even matter if you’re cholesterol’s high?” So, my criteria is, number one, if you’re cholesterol’s over 300, maybe we got to take a look at it. Number two is, “Do we have elevations in inflammatory markers, CRP, homocysteine, fiber antigen?” Okay. If those are high, maybe we got to take a look at it. Number three is how’s your– HTL, the total cholesterol ratio? “Is it greater than five?” If it’s greater than five, maybe we got to look at it. And then the last but not the least, is “How’d you rate the HTL ratio?” If it’s two or below, then it’s probably okay. So it’s not, cholesterol has never cut a dry number. You got to look at, I see a lot of people high in cholesterol, also at kickass HTL. So then their HTL, the total cholesterol ratio is really rock solid.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Yeah. Oh I hope that helps the…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, next is uhm – 47-year old Strakito, four years overtrained, undernourished and 40 pounds overweight. She is yeast-overgrowth, thyroid are low, all sex hormones are low, blood sugar is rising, what should she address first? Oh, she wants to address the gut first, your thoughts? This is our practitioner MP, the practitioner that wants to address the gut first.

Bridgit Banner: She’s asking if that’s the best choice, or…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes, that’s the best.

Bridgit Banner: …what kind of thing. 

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I have my opinion but I want you to go first.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. You know, we talked about this someone on the summit. And a few people said, we’ll see what you think Justin? I can’t remember what you said, so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Some people say they work on the hormones exist to give a little relief and a little more energy. Uhh– and then they start doing some of the painful works. So just first the gut and the liver detox, then where some symptoms are gonna come up. Uhh – does it have to be that, I think what we do in our practice. I mean we’re, we’re a little bit all mixed together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Uhhm – but, you know, I wanna say you wanna go after the gut in a really intense way ‘til your body is enough, strong enough like to handle it. So those detox pathways are clear. Sometimes you start with some gentle detox, and get the foundations going. Uhhmm – like I, I mentioned briefly like saying you know if I said this in the first time we’re in maybe. So, anyway  this time last year, I was having a lot of trouble with spotting, and I was also  exposed to toxic molds. I was like, I don’t really know if I’ll get my hormones right ‘til I get the molds right. I have gotten better with the mold, but I feel that you still can’t actually caught pass some of those things and address the hormones with like what I mentioned before, like the hemp oil, and the flax oil, and the fish oil. We knew, so yeah. I think you can kind of massage some of them, sometimes. ‘Cause clearing the gut takes a while. So we get some loving in there. What are your thoughts?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, so. When I hear that though, when I hear addressing the gut, there’s kind of a, a double lifestyle. So when I address the gut, there’s six R’s that we go through. Number one is removing the bad foods, right? That’s totally okay. We can check that one. And to yeah, two, replacing enzymes and acids better. That’s number two. Check. Yes, we can do that. Number three is replacing, or I should say repairing the gut lining. Nutrients that help with the gut lining repair and helping you deal with the inflammation in the gut, and helping you repair the adrenals, the thyroid, and some hormonal issues first. So those are the first three R’s – remove, replace, repair. Okay? So that we can do those first. Now I think when people talk about addressing gut, they tend to the fourth R, which is removing the infection of this biosis. Whatever the critters are. So I always wait, at least one month or two for that. If detox isn’t good, and hormones aren’t good, and blood sugar and immunes not good, that can really create a lot more stress that your body may not have the ability to deal with. You only have one or two months with the patient for them to start seeing something. And if they start moving backwards for one or two months, you’re gonna lose them. You’re not gonna be able to help the clinician. That’s just my personal take based on

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. And I like, this is all individual to every person, and yeah. You have to kind of start most obvious things, and I don’t know who the name of this– you know, just resting. You know, just resting your body and have some great talks and like mindset and emotional health. Just uhhmm – all are part of health too. You know, you overdid it and you’re reassessing like the direction of your health, the direction of your life. Like, ijust resting, just reading books like lying on the sun, going a vacation. These things are very healing as well. So uhhmm – yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Bridgit Banner: Just remember to keep that to your protocols.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that parasympathetic nervous system going, I think, that has to be part of any functional medicine programmed at the foundational level is to sleep, the good healthy habits, the time to relax, so yeah. That’s a really good point and we don’t want to overlook that.

Bridgit Banner: Huh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Can detoxifying the liver bring your hormone balance back?

Bridgit Banner: That’s an easy one. And do a lot for– yes. Yeah.  Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I agree. I think, I think as long as your hormones are decent, like you have good institution in the gland, I think that may be enough. But if there’s a lot of dysfunction in the adrenals of the thyroid, that will help with the support of the other side as well. So I think, it totally can for sure though.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah, yes. Some part of the system that a few people mentioned on the summit, and yeah. It’s not the only piece. Nothing ever is. Just one piece. Yeah but it’s actually like what you said just removing all the toxins is important too. Like before you go into taking in the herbs, doing a coffee in the morning. Just make sure you got them out of your diet and out of your home, out of your water supply to just reduce that part.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think, you already – we don’t, our body will detoxify better just by not putting toxins in.  When we think of detoxifying, we’re giving something to help detoxify. But we can also just think about it. let’s just not add stuff as well. And then you mentioned earlier with the fatty liver, that the one of the major stressors on your liver is excess carbohydrates and insulin, because that will cause a fatty liver, which will slow down the filtration too.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Which is even gross to think about the cause …

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I know.

Bridgit Banner: … of your liver blocking, if everything.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. Absolutely. Next, estrogen dominant is related to histamine. HIT is related to methylase, to histamine as well. After addressing diet in gut’s health, bateria, parasites and yeast. We still have ED plus HIT. So, well ED means Estrogen Dominance, HIT means Histamine Intolerance. Then what can we do besides working on methylation?

Bridgit Banner: I’m trying to make sure I got all of that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s a little confusing with the abbreviation, but I think what they’re saying is, “Hey. I have Estrogen Dominance and I have a Histamine issue. I’ve already worked on the gut. What else can I do besides pushing my detox methylation pathways?” That’s my translation.

Bridgit Banner: Hmmm– I think you can think about hormone production. So I think you can think about what we talked about before – the fats and oils, to get. Depending on your age like, I would do more like Vitex, for like a little younger, early 40’s, but anytime in the 40’s, 50’s, doing like Maca estrogenic herbs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: If you can pull everything up, you know, pull the progesterone up, it will help balance that the estrogen. So, uhhmm – I think that’s an important piece that sometimes gets missed ‘cause our American, like, culture is always thinking about clearing and detoxing. But I don’t know if this person’s, have their hormones tests. But most of these are also depleted, at this age. So just like pulling hormone production up, you could see that estrogen become balanced.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep. I totally agree with you. One thing I’ll say, I think you already said it all. Potentially, adding some progesterone, maybe even some pregnenolone, DHEA. But looking at the adrenals too is an important piece.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. You can introduce some things like macon, borage oil. Super easy on your own. Yeah but with a practitioner, you could do some simple progesterone. Uhhmm– also I get some testing for that kind of– I do well on progesterone; I don’t do so well on DHEA, pregnenolone. For my experience, everybody’s kind of different.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And that, I see that too with people that kind of more backed up liver pathways too.

Bridgit Banner: Oh yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And maybe the mold. Look, ‘cause you mentioned your mold experience. Maybe that was the driving factor with that.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. Back when I tried those, I was living with mold but didn’t know. So, it’s kind of, kind of flavored my whole history like, “Oh.” So, it’s interesting. And I think, you know, we haven’t talked about that. You know, there can be these hidden things. You talked about parasites…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: But you know, I have to learn a lot about mold, and Epstein-Barr Virus, and uhh– all these things I was posting I didn’t know that. Those things really flare up with the changing hormones, not getting a good night sleep. And we talk a little bit about how that high estrogen can affect the immune system, in not a favorable way. And then, just with aging, the immune system can be deteriorating in a sense. So uhhmm – so, yeah, a lot, things can come up. You know if you feel like you’ve tried everything and you’re still sick, my personal lesson is, like, there’s probably something else going on to look for.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. That makes sense. What do you think about supplementing with DIM Postmenopause?

Bridgit Banner: I mean I think it could be done. I guess it could clear some bad estrogen sort of thing. Is that what the person’s thinking?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I mean. I’m kind of little perplexed as well. Maybe the detox pathways are running and they kind of support delivering such. But most people will have lower estrogens, especially if they’re, you know, not adding in a whole bunch of, you know, estrogen as well. So, definitely makes more sense with the cycle of female, right?

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. It’s, again, on issue. Uhhmm – I think DIM is great for like, PCOS. It’s used a lot, you know, in some Estrogen Dominance cases. Also that CDG, I’ve known about just in the last year; that can help. Uhhmm – yeah , I’ve– in my own body has been more effective to build more hormone. And they did not be in everyone’s case. Maybe that’s just mine. And you can get tested. We have one. Maria Claps talks about the importance of testing at any age. And occasionally many women will be older but still have high estrogen, and that’s something to figure out and learn about. Let’s just see what pathways to – I think you run a DUTCH test too just to– see– like I was just curious about this caller like, what are her symptoms, does she feel – has high estrogen, and she’s worried about cancer in her family, or something like that. Yeah, I would say yeah, maybe but I want more information, or maybe they’ll be good to first person that ask.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think you’re right. I think getting the test on, I think getting the more information on what the symptoms are that made them think they need it would really be the key.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Next is…

Bridgit Banner: Question.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Love it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah we’re hitting it. Next is, without getting an organic acid test, is there a kind of a universal protocol supplement that can be taken for hormonal balance. What do you take personally?

Bridgit Banner: Well, I keep saying the same stuff over and over so, more, for me like, for me, definitely the oils. I love magnesium. I love, I love it for this age group. I love it in my own body, I used magnesium chelate. I, I like adore it, even when I’m just getting cramps. This stuff like helps me to prevent like menstrual migraine, menstrual cramps, uhhmm– you know. I take a good quality multivitamin that has, that has the Zinc, that has methylated B vitamins. And I’ll tell you a funny story. I got my hair analyzed like this sooner and I got the results back before but I got to read them. And like in my novice opinion, “Oh magnesium, it’s so high, I better like. Stop taki– a few things looked high.” So I stopped taking everything. I stopped taking. Oh, my gosh, my cycle. So much for stamina. It really made me see, like, getting a good quality source of B vitamins, B vitamins is very important to spark a bunch of things with ovulation hormones. Getting that is important. Taking the extra high dose. I mangled magnesium. Most women need like 600 to 800 milligrams and get in good form. I just have a new client and she’s been taking magnesium for years. I can’t remember the form she’s been taking but…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …oxide–

Bridgit Banner: Yeah something that she’s– I think it was oxide, she’s not getting anything out of it. So I just like said switch to magnesium. I love magnesium. I love fish oil, I mentioned. You don’t need a lot but a little bit. Uhhmm – a little bit of borage oil, or hemp oil. Uhhmm– you know, I eat a lot of nuts and seeds in my diet too, and I think they helped me from hormones.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Uhhmm– what are the thing– we talked about Zinc, that if you’re not getting much Zinc it might be something you want to up the supplementation on…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep.

Bridgit Banner: …what other supplements do you like Justin?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think, you already said the foundational things that aren’t even related to female hormones which I think gives people overlooked at, right? So that, what you said is totally foundation. Then add on top of that chase through your Vitex, that would be great for almost any female, especially for your cycling. If you’re more menopausal, you can go more on the specific pheno types of Maca. It’s a great product that I used and carry in my store called Femmenessence. And they have a great type of Maca for cycling females, and a great type of Maca for menopausal females, and it works phenomenal for a lot of cycling issues, and also about a lot of the Hot Flashes. ‘Cause remember Hot Flashes especially if they happen at night. They screw up women’s sleep. If their sleep’s screwed up, and their blood sugar’s screwed up, that throws everything off. So I like the Maca and the Chaste tree, you know. What’s going on.

Bridgit Banner: Yeah. You know, I, I have some. You know, I’ve used sleep aids, or like anxiety aids, you know, like now, on the summit, a lot. And I think it’s okay to this, at this age group. Like, don’t just like try to bear it, you know. If, you need to sleep, so you take some 5-HTP. I want a trick I’ve learned from my elevated practitioners, like, do some more almond milk and a half teaspoon of nutmeg. You know, that’s really calming at night. Uhhmm– what else do I take? You know I have, like, an herbal one – like valerian, stuff like that, which is calming. I have a whole bunch of things around to eat just depending on the day. Uhh – so, and that doesn’t exactly sound like it’s about hormones, but it kind’a is ‘cause you need that good night sleep to, like, get your hormones stabilized.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Huge. What do you eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner, Bridgit?

Bridgit Banner: Oh, I love it. So this morning I have a cheap pudding and uhhmm – I have it on with some chocolate flakes, walnuts…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Nice.

Bridgit Banner: … glazed and on top some fresh fruit. So, uhh – I’m a little allergic to eggs so I don’t, you know, that makes – you know the word. ‘Cause I do a sausage, like, like a little frozen organic sausage uhhmm– Sometimes I have, occasionally I have, like, a soup for breakfast, like a – This can be super easy. You keep a box of broth in your fridge and like a teem of Kewas, some greens. Sometimes I have that. What else? I’m giving you breakfast ideas ‘cause I think it’s a hard one for folks. I do smoothie sometimes. Sometimes I help people do some trail mix. I do hard boiled eggs, so get some protein. I really avoid carbs in the morning. That’s very important to me. But I do have carbs usually on lunch and dinner.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yep.

Bridgit Banner: For lunch, I sometimes have leftovers. I love working from home because I can have, I can turn things together, like some leftover rice, you know, fry some vegetables. Try to have like some chicken sausage, which I had laying around. Uhhmm – I definitely just kind of put stuff together, for pretty healthy lunch, uhhmm – which, yeah – I love that option. For dinner, you know, we usually have something like a piece of fish, or chicken, uhhmm – you know, often an animal protein, and then uhhmm – some green stuff, you know, a steamed broccoli or, I’m,  I’m putting a lot of fat and everything, so my steamed broccoli’s gonna have hemp oil all over it. I put hemp oil yeah, hemp oil, hemp oil on my lunch. I put hemp oil, you know. I put hemp oils everywhere, nuts everywhere, lots and lots of seeds. Uhhmm – and then maybe we have like sweet potato fries. So, we do some potato, some rice or Keema are pretty much the carbs that I would eat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Bridgit Banner: Uhhmm – what else? Yeah. That’s kind of the theme.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. I think you’re rock solid. Two other questions; we’ll hit them rapid fire. Does it matter for Dacogens be in pill form or powder form? It depends. Certain female hormone issues or tonics, I do find sometimes giving the liquid. Tincture-based herbs can make them a little more potent.

Bridgit Banner: Hmmm–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …a take on that? Do you agree or no?

Bridgit Banner: I would, yeah. That’s like a great question. I mean, I think the tinctures feel strong, but if you’ll take out a small sip of oil. If you take – I bought all this like powdered Maca and stuff to make these elixir drinks. I don’t like them. I don’t like to, you know, the powder in them. So, it takes some things… but I do have a Maca powder, I make them to smoothies. Effectiveness, efficacy, I’m not totally sure if, you know, I have to research that. But I do think it’s important to take what you’re gonna take. Have a variety. Like, I’m willing to take pills, ‘cause I’m pretty okay with it. But it’s nice to also have some things that are liquid. Some things that you can rub on, like, I feel, especially with my mold. I really learned, like, it’s. Uhhh– It  can get exhausting and so expensive to take so many supplements. And if there’s something you can do that’s in another form, I’m really holding on to that a lot sider lately. So I would just tell the colors rise efficacy maybe on home ingredients but I like things in all sorts of forms, and I think it’s good to experiment.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I think it’s totally good to individualize. Last question, Cortisol is normal except spikes at a very high at around three(3) to five(5) PM. So this person wants to know, is that Adrenal Fatigue stage 2? Again, I think we did the whole test to see it, to know where the Cortisol levels are at. Stage 2 is typically, relatively, normal Cortisol levels, with aberrations and rhythm, and lower DHEA in general. So I think we’re missing some info. Any comments?

Bridgit Banner: You know, the thing that came to me, and I’m not an elevated practitioner. But is it, is it vital that wind one. That’s, that, that imbalance is in the afternoon, and that’s the time I feel imbalanced too. And a lot of people have this wind imbalance ‘cause we’re so busy nowadays, doing so much stuff. Uhhmm– so that’s like a really key time of the day for me to rest. And that can be tough ‘cause it’s like the end of your day, when you’re gonna pick up your kids. But I would just personally tune in to like how that time of day feels for them, and like what are they doing, what and where the stimulants were like, you know, just, are they eating snack always right before that spike, or in a certain stress trigger, or maybe the body’s just trying to like pick them up. ___?Slob?__ but not sure. I think it’s interesting there with three to five.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I think potentially like a blood sugar drop, had their lunch around 11 or 12, maybe their blood sugar’s dropping so maybe they need a mini meal, maybe scheduled a meditation in there, maybe keeps an adaption …

Bridgit Banner: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: …kind of in your system during that time of the day; a couple of options.

Bridgit Banner: I have to eat at that time of the day. Like, it’s not optional for me, and the more I eat, the better. I mean maybe I should have my dinner there. Uhh – you know maybe someday I’ll also tea in that earlier dinner. But I, if I can really heavy snack. Yeah, my butcher, just dropping items, snacks constantly. One,  probably the one snack a day that’s not optional for me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it. Perfect. Very good. Well again, closing up here. We got the Hormone Balance After 40 Summit. We’ll put information below in the YouTube description and the podcast description, so make sure you check out that summit. Forty (40), or thirty (30) years old, great people are gonna be there. I’m gonna be there in one of first days, so make sure you tune in to see me.

Bridgit Banner: Day one.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Day one.

Bridgit Banner: …this guy.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it, love it. Very cool. Any other comments or concern, anything else you want to address to the listeners or…

Bridgit Banner: No. I think that’s– it was a lot of fun. You know, I’m not always this, like, on my toes but it’s good for me. Just tried, tried to hang with it. There were really good questions. Then it was always fine with you Dr. Justin.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you. What’s that summit URL link again?

Bridgit Banner: after40summit and it’s a number 40.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: After forty, the number 40? Summit S-U-M-M-I-T? One ‘t’?

Bridgit Banner: Yes. Two m’s, one ‘t’. It should come up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Perfect. Love it. Bridgit.

Bridgit Banner: Bye everyone.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, thank you so much for the great information. You have a great day.

Bridgit Banner: You too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you.

 

References:

http://after40summit.com/

The “Schwarzbein’s” Principle by Dr. Diana Schwarzbein

Dr. Eric Zielinski – Essential oils for your health- Podcast #134

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Dr. Eric Zielinski engage in a stimulating and inspiring discussion about essential oils. Gain useful information in choosing the right essential oil for you as Dr. Eric shares his experiences and research studies background supporting the use of essential oil. Learn more about essential oils and its different uses in health issues faced by adults and kids.

Pick up on some knowledge bombs about essential oils and its effect on cancer, benefits in women, and use in vaping.  Acquire very useful information on different oil blends and how they can be beneficial to your health. Be taught on how and where to apply essential oil therapeutically on your body.

 

In this episode, we cover:

12:24   Dr. Eric’s top 3 essential oils recommendation

19:47   Frankincense and its anti-cancer effects

24:41   Tips on choosing essential oils in the market

30:40   Ways to apply essential oils

35:33   Essential oils for issues with kids

39:58   Vaping and essential oils

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we are live here this is Dr. J with Beyond Wellness Radio. We got Dr. Eric Z in the house.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Hello

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: How are we doing, Eric?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I’m blessed, man. So happy to be here. Thanks for having me here, brother.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. Well, I’m really excited for—to have you on and we’re gonna answer live questions at the end of the podcast, too. So we’ll be able to hit those up as well. We didn’t answer this so— we didn’t promote this ahead of time, so we’re on-the-fly doing uh— ad lib, functional medicine essential oil healthier as we speak.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And I wanna welcome everyone on my crew because I just put it up on the Dr. Eric Z and the essential oil revolution Facebook page. Pokes, tune in, leave us some comment and say hello and follow my good friend, Justin because he is the man. He knows exactly what is talking about. He helps a lot of people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, thank you so much. Now before we start, what did you have for breakfast? I’ll tell you what I had first, I had some coffee, some collagen, uh—some butter coffee MCT and I got my wife put about a pound of green vegetables in here juice.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Haha—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And we threw about two scoops of collagen in there and some MCT as well. So I am ready to go man. How about you?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That’s awesome. You know, I typically don’t have food breakfast. This is my breakfast. This is my version. It’s my Matcha green tea latte.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I take the bulletproof coffee approach. I put some coconut oil in it, my Matcha green tea, raw cacao and Stevia. Man, that’s my latte. Gives me all the energy keeps me a little bit low-state ketosis till I get really hungry around lunchtime. And I rarely ever hungry during for— for breakfast, you know. I’d usually like to give my body 15-18 hours between meals if I can, you know. So that’s what we do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it, man. Very cool. I was actually watching the uh— Truth about vaccine series.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: —with my wife. And I’m sitting there watching, “I know that guy!”

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Hahaha—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. We we’re on the truth about uh—vaccines dropping some serious knowledge bombs. Uh—how was that experience’s like for you?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s an honor. Always an honor and a privilege to be doing anything with Ty Bollinger. I mean these— I’m just a big fan. He’s a friend, love his mission, love what they’re doing and I gotta tell you, this is— this is about misinformation and this is about helping people. And I— and I know what it’s like folks. I know what it’s like to be sick. I know what it is like to be a victim. And I called it victim very carefully. __it’s like to be victimized by misinformation. My mother was misled. She didn’t breast-feed me. My mother and father were mis—My mother and father misled. I was raised on antibiotics. I had my adenoids and tonsils taken out when I was a kid. I got on Accutane, the suicide drug, because I develop acne when I was a teenager. And one thing after another, living on the standard American diet, I had so many health problems.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Chronic gut conditions. And I realized, you know, my mom and dad did the best they could like most people in America and around the world will do. And we’re just misled. And so it’s such an honor and privilege to be sharing truth and to be sharing evidence and keep things into perspective. And that is the take-home message for folks, the bottom line, everyone needs, needs to watch the truth about vaccines. We are actually having a replay weekend—this weekend. For nothing less, than you can become a more informed healthcare patient.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. So good.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: We need to be informed. Just don’t do what the doctor says, just because the doctor says it. We should be allowed a dialogue with our healthcare providers. So I can go on and on about that, man, but it’s about true empowerment to be educated.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Now you have a really unique background—very colorful background. Coz you are in chiropractic school, but you are also really— really big on the research and public health. I know you’re kinda on the PhD course. You kinda had a full ride all set up there. And then you kinda took a detour down this essential oil path.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Which is really cool, which we’ll talk about more. Talk to me about your background a little bit and how did you get to this point right now?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s a wild story, man. You know the Bible says, “A man’s mind plans his ways, but the Lord directs his steps.” And that has been my journey, man, the whole way through I— I quit a perfectly good cushy, corporate job and my wife and I followed up to the dream of becoming a chiropractor and open up a healthcare Center. And I got to tell you, I love people. I’m a people person and it’s been the hardest thing for me to look behind this computer for a living. And you know, what I was in school, I’m a writer. I’ve always been a researcher at heart. When I was in school, I took an opportunity, got a scholarship to write a first case study, got published in the peer-reviewed journal and it— the door opened up where, you know, you can have a couple different tracks. You can become a clinician, you can become an administrator, you could be a researcher, and I chose the research track.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And I was in school, just traveling the country in the world teaching continuing education to doctors because in my research, it was wild. And so when I graduated just a couple years ago now, when I graduated, I was like, “Wow! I love this vein. I love helping people and I was a research writer at the time. That’s how I provided for myself.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: A medical writer. And one of my clients commissioned me to write a series of public health reports about oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And that’s what got me. I was floored. And, you know me too, I am a man of faith but I gotta be able to understand things, right? And so when it came to essential oils, when I started looking at the evidence, and started diving in a little, literally hundreds and hundreds of research studies, I was like, “There’s something to this stuff.” And that’s where it all really was birth. And I launched an essential oil summit with my— my buddy Josh Axe, my good friend, Jill Winger. A 165,000 people attended that almost 2 years to the date and that just opened it up. Yeah, man. It opened it up to a world where I realize, Justin, uhm— we need to learn how to use these precious plant compounds safely and effectively, not just use them willy-nilly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Unreal. Very, very cool. Love it, love it, love it. So talk to me about— it’s really interesting coz your background— like you come up like a very like extroverted kinda guy. I’m really shocked that you were going down that research— the research route based on kinda your— your skill set. So it’s kinda unique that you were going that direction, in the first place.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know why? I gotta tell you. I was moved. Uhm— for those people who don’t know much about chiropractic care, you need to find a good chiropractor who knows what they’re doing coz it can be life-changing. Justin, I wrote— I wrote a case study about this girl who was on—who was autistic and nothing would help her. She was actually adopted. Uhm— her mother was actually crack mother and this baby was born premature.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And she was adopted by a loved one uh— I believe it was an aunt or cousin, she was adopted. And this girl had a lot of physical problems, emotional social, problems. They went through occupational therapist, they went through social workers, the medical doctor known could help this girl and they just decided to try chiropractic care. And this chiropractor, yeah, besides getting her on a little bit of omega-3’s, but this girl was very young. She just slowly starting incorporating chiropractic care into this girl’s life and I kid you not, this— this paper was so dramatic I documented case by case, day by day, what happened to her because this doctor did a great job. Dr. Stacy B__ If any of you are in my—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: South Dakota, by the way, I gotta give her a plug. She documented this so well, this girl’s life dramatically change like she wouldn’t— like we’re talking autistic to the point where not even looking at her mom and dad and not saying I love you at three years old. She just didn’t have the capacity like she was so—you know, things were not working. And so, slowly— slowly this girl started to become “normal and fully functioning” and I wrote up this case study. And these stories I’ve seen and I wrote up a case study of another condition, another condition, and I’ll never forget, Justin, I’ll never forget the power of—of research. When I was presenting this at Sherman College of Chiropractic, I was presenting uh—a course on how to write case studies, a lady came up to me. And this lady is a middle-age woman uhm— which is kinda odd for someone to go to school on that age that late in life. So she came up to me in her mid-40s and she goes, “Dr. Eric, uhm— your— your paper change my life.” I’m like, “What?” She goes, “My daughter had autism and my medical doctor read your paper and gave it to me and said you need to try chiropractic. It gave my daughters life back. And my other daughter who’s a teenager, she had dysmenorrhea and that’s all fixed up. And me, I’m changing my life, I’m gonna be chiropractor. It changed my life.” I’m like, “Wow! The power of research.” So I started thinking myself, “Yeah.” You know I just really felt led by God to do this because, you know, Justin, last month 265,000 people went to my website. I can’t reach that many people in the clinic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so I— I felt, you know, as much as I love being with people this is what I get. You know, you and I are— people right now. And this is my people time but, you know, as much as I am— I— I feel called to really help the masses.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love it. Very cool. And we get some people in the background watching this live, so if you guys have any questions pertaining to Eric or essential oils, feel free and drop in the live chat and at the end, we’ll have Eric answer those questions. Very Cool.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Man, tell us where you’re from. I’m in Atlanta. Hello, got a beautiful day. Justin, where are you right now?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Austin, Texas, baby. Beautiful afternoon.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Oh! Very cool, very cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got an Oak tree in the backyard. I love it, man. Very cool. So how did you make this journey from chiropractic to the researcher, now into essential oils? Coz you’re one of the biggest essential oil websites and resources on the Internet and you— you’re really unbiased, too, which is interesting. You don’t have your oil line or anything. So you really kinda know the best companies that are out there. So walk me through. How did you get into essential oil space? Did you have a clinical experience with essential oils? Or it really helped you improve your health or life?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know, it was really—  it was really by virtue of my client like I shared a couple minutes ago when they— I was asked to write a series of reports on essential oils. And then the light bulb went on. And so the thing about it, I was asked to write these reports and as I was researching, I saw a major disconnect between what the research says and between what 99.9% of every website says. And like, What is the difference here? Why are these bloggers not getting it? Why are people sharing unsafe practices?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And why is there such a little? And I kid you not, literal aggressive argument between the major brands, like people I’ve learned, you don’t talk about religion, you don’t talk about politics, and you don’t talk about your favorite essential oil at Thanksgiving coz this is gonna cause a family feud.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so I started looking at this like, “This is a really crazy, divided industry.” And so I — I get it. I just went up to Josh Axe and Jill Winger why don’t we host a summit, where we get everyone together, never been done before—  chemist bloggers, aroma therapist, distributors, healthcare professionals. And we all let go of her favorite brands and we just talk straight oils. Everyone told me it couldn’t. So we did it and it— it was awesome because for the first time, people were able to let go of their favorite brands, let go of their loyalty, forget about selling, and we just talked. And you know what, people disagreed with each other and that’s fine. This was an open forum. One person said this, another person said that, and you know, we get a little bit of flack for that. People so-and-so are arguing with so-and-so’s. Well good. This is what— This is what’s called a dialogue. And that’s what I wanted to do. I want to get to the bottom line of how to truly use essential oils safe and effectively because the truth is, we have limited research and we don’t know. The FDA isn’t monitoring this stuff, big Gov is hands off, people have been using this stuff willy-nilly for many years, people get cured from diseases, other people get hurt, why? And so, I literally found the need, Justin— I found the need because people wanted a non-branded trusted resource that they could go to and not worry about getting shoved down the affiliate route and hate by my oil. So I’ll tell you. I lose— and I don’t wanna say I lose, but there’s a lot of money I could be making if I sold oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know what, I’m gonna stay true to this. I’m gonna write books; I’m gonna create courses; I’m gonna have a membership site; I’m gonna provide for my family doing something that no one else is doing. And I gotta say God has been faithful. Uhm—  and we have a huge following because of it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You’re the biggest basically in the world for essential oils so I appreciate it. You’re putting some great info up there. So what are your top three—  this can be different for each person based on what they have headaches, or PMS, or mood issues,

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or anxiety, what are your favorite three essential oils? Just for you, based on your experience, what are they?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Okay. You— You’re catching a good time. I literally just handed in my manuscript for my book last week.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —to an editor. Yeah, man. Book coming on February, So all this is fresh in my mind and one thing that I really made a point in my book was the highlight orange.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Whether it’s sweet orange, wild orange, depending on the brand that you use, basically the same just a different name. Uhm— orange oil is by far the most cost-effective, all-around MVP to about—the highest concentration of D-Limonene—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: D-Limonene

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —of any other—Yeah. So tell me a little bit about in your world. Coz I’m not a functional medicine doc. When I save D-Limonene, I know what I think. But  when I say it, what do you think?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I think D- Limonene is the— is the main component in a lot of these citrus lime and orange, uh— lemon and orange, essentially. But I use it in my field to help with the migrating motor complex to help with constipation, people that have SIBO and bacterial overgrowth. Their guts tend to be a little bit slow with methane gas overgrowth. So use D-Limonene and really help the intestines move and it works great therapeutically.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know, orange oil has up to 95% D-Limonene.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. And D-Limonene has also been shown in clinical trials to kill cancer cells. And D- Limonene has been shown to not only do that, but to help boost mood. And for me, aromatherapy is one of the most effective ways of getting people off of Xanax and Prozac, and other psychotropic drugs that are just so bad for you. So I love it, I love it. There’s like, you said, digestive health, mood health, good for infections, it’s antifungal, it’s antiviral. It’s like there’s nothing you can’t do on. I mean really, when our kids have 104 temperature, we apply some diluted uhm— orange and diluted peppermint oil over there back from the crown of your head to the soles of their feet, I kid you not, within minutes their temperature drops because research has shown that D-Limonene, the chemical components in these oils are in the bloodstream within 20 minutes after topical application. Like, it’s like putting on the patch, you know. It’s transdermal application.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like you would, if you were to try to quit smoking. So folks, topical application diluted is the way to go and orange. So orange, number one. number two, I’ve recently had just fallen in love with Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That took me a while. I’ll tell you. I’ll be honest with you. You know, like I joke around, you can’t go, you know, hanging out with my buddies playing football smiling Ylang Ylang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hahaha

Dr. Eric Zielinski: They’re gonna take my man card away. But so— I—I really did I marginalize Ylang Ylang is like the flowery perfume thing to my wife did. But man, I stumbled upon a literature review that rocked my mental world. And I’m like, “This is unbelievable.” Frankincense is known as the king of essential oils.
We get that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm. Ylang Ylang is his queen. Unbelievable effect. And here’s a cool thing, like at the end of the day, like you got this look at Ylang Ylang and I—I published an article recently about that, too. It’s—it’s harmonizing effects. So here’s what we got to remember about certain things like plant-based compounds. They should help your body reach homeostasis, okay?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s not about, “Oh! I’m hypotensive. How do I get balance?” or “I’m hypertensive, how do I get low?” You want some— you want supplements, you want essential oils, you want outside-in approaches to help your body inside out heal. And so what we found literally, Ylang Ylang helps harmonized conflicting measures. So for example, it could decrease blood rate at this r uhm—it could decrease blood pressure at the same time that it speeds up your pulse. How does it make sense? That’s counterintuitive, right? Because it helps your body reach homeostasis. And— and sandalwood is another one that does the same thing. So basically people say, “Hey, I want an oil for that.” Well, “Hey, that’s not really the best approach to this.” However, there are certain oils that just help your body just reach that nice peaceful state. And that rocked my world. Again, I never heard of harmonization in that standpoint before with conflicting measures. So we got Ylang Ylang, we got orange and the other one always is peppermint. Like there’s virtually nothing that peppermint can’t help you. It’s—and you know, I also mentioned this in my book, I include— I went out a little bit of a tri— a diatribe.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I hope my— my editor keeps this piece because I started ranting against monster drinks and red bull. Man, I’m telling you something, that stuff is horrible for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And people don’t realize one of those energy drinks has up to 5 cups of caf— 5 cups of coffee’s worth of caffeine in it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Insane.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like 5 cups. Can you imagine drinking 5 cups of coffee like now? People just take a shot and they get so, what— what we’re finding out is actually causing addiction for young adults especially. It’s causing—it’s like the gateway drug. It’s the new marijuana. People are becoming addicted not only to them because the caffeine, but becoming addicted to other narcotics because they need to get on this high. There are so many problems with arrhythmia. I had a friend who went to the hospital because of heart palpitations because he was overdosing on these stupid drinks. So why am I saying this? Peppermint shown clinically proven— if you take a drop of peppermint straight your mouth, put it in your water, put in a teaspoon of coconut oil, actually helps open up your airways, open up your bronchioles, give you deeper breathes. And as you know, Justin, more deeper breathing, more oxygen, more blood; more blood means more energy. And that’s what people are finding, if you want to have some natural energy, you can apply some diluted peppermint over your chest or your back right before you do your crazy Cross Fit, or right before you do your marathon. You don’t need to go to those sugary drinks to sustain your energy, and digestive health, and mental health, and you name, it peppermint can help you. So peppermint, orange, and Ylang Ylang. You ask me in five months, I’d probably come up with a different three but this is where I’m at right now.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Peppermint is a great natural cure for sunburn, too.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Couple of drops of that, you rub it in your sunburn area, it is so cool. You think it’s coz of the mint, you think it’d be hotter, but it’s very cooling.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And SIBO. You mentioned SIBO. Clinical trials have shown that peppermint— Coz here’s the problem when it comes to SIBO and other conditions like colon issues. Because how you gonna get that remedy into the colon. You need to have an enteric coated capsule. You need to have a polymer coated capsule that will digest until it reaches the distal G.I. track, right? You just can’t put a drop of peppermint in your mouth and expect it to reach your intestines— It won’t. Even bypass the gastric juice in your stomach. So they found like 3 to 6 drops of peppermint in an enteric coated capsule can literally knock SIBO in its tracks, help with symptoms, calm the inflammation and oh, I take this back, I wanna go back to orange. Same technique with orange and and leaky gut. Orange has been actually shown to help increase your intestinal cell length and size.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow!

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So we all know about yet, but it’s—it’s nuts. So they epithelial cell tests and they found that orange actually increases it. So people that have a leaky gut, they can actually help the barrier repair itself, orange oil. I mean, “Wow!” And again, how do you get it in your gut? Enteric coated capsule, possibly putting in over your abdomen and we’ll hope that it penetrates into your gut but that’s not the best approach. It’s really tough to treat the gut.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. You also mentioned uhm— Peppermint. I know one of the big SIBO product is in the market called Atrantil. Peppermint is one of the—the main ingredients in that product so really good feedback. You also mentioned Frankincense, I.E. Boswellia.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Which is a great anti-inflammatory and you know, frankincense has the history, right? It was one of the three herbs that were—that were given, you know, at the uh—at the birth of Jesus, so to speak. And then also, really good anti-cancer herb, too. Can you talk about the anti-cancer effects of frankincense?

Dr. Eric Zielinskil Okay. This is where the confusion comes into the play. Even though it’s called Boswellia, right? You have Bosswellia serrata, boswellia—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: All these different versions and species. The known—the known cancer fighting component in frankincense are Boswellic acids.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: But— Boswellic Acids aren’t volatile. So what essential oils are—they’re volatile organic compounds.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Volatile is the—the meaning of they readily evaporate.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So when you steam distill the frankincense resin, coz again, the resin comes out of the tree just like maple syrup and sap. So you tap the frankincense tree, you get the resin, you crush it up, you distill it— steam distill it. The resin does not win, it separates. It separates in the volatile and nonvolatile compounds. Basically evaporated and those that can’t evaporate. Boswellic Acid can evaporate. So you do not get boswellic acid into your essential oils, okay? So that raises a  little bit of confusion because the research said—these are actually say otherwise and they just don’t know. And that’s the problem with some research studies. However, I have a friend and you can check out on my podcast, Justin. It’s unbelievable story how she was left to die with Stage IV, non-small cell lung cancer. And all she had left because regard—uhm her oncologist took her off of all chemo and radiation because her platelets and blood count were so low. She’s like, “We can’t do anymore for you.” All she knew how to do, her and her Husband was applied. Frankincense and myrrh and lemongrass over her tumor. And again, some me—metastatic all over. She was dying, she  was going blind, she was going paralyzed. She should be dead. Well, she’s not dead. She can see, she could walk, no cancer in her lungs anymore. The cancer in her brain’s gone. And she’s like, “Well, Hallelujah!” Well frankincense was part of that. So here’s my argument to the aromatherapy community is yeah, we can’t prove it yet, but there are many, many case studies and I interviewed Allison Huish.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: uhm— my first summit. She was on the Truth of about Cancer as well about how she use Frankincense to cure herself of astrocytoma. And so, what does this mean? There’s something— There’s something in frankincense but we don’t know what it is.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It might be— It might be uhm— the D— D-Alanine.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I Believe it is. I haven’t read on that in quite awhile.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It might be D-Alanine. It might be the other one. I us don’t know. But anyway, frankincense is known by far to be one of those healing traditional resins on the market and we’ve been using it for centuries, if not, thousands of years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Just wanna make sure I understand you. So the volatile compound that’s what’s in the essential oil meaning it can evaporate. Is that where all the anticancer benefits are?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: UhmThat’s the confusion because the non-volatile compound

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s the capsule. That’s what people taking Boswellia. You’re at the Boswellic Acids

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That doesn’tYeah. That’s not volatile so that doesn’t reach the essential oils. So that’s not in your bottle, folks. So when you’re looking at risk, you’re looking at volatile organic compounds. You’re looking at things that readily evaporate so there’s no Boswellia yet in here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So you can’t take the Boswellia capsule and get the same benefits that you get for the essential oils.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: They’re completely different.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Got it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And which is nice coz you take both. And research actually suggested that if you actually take essential oils with your chemotherapy, for example, it helps the chemotherapy be more effective. Like these are transdermal, they penetrate the blood-brain barrier. You know, they— there’s a lot of benefits to using probiotics and essential oils and enzymes and essential oils together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: So my recommendation for people is do both. Put a couple drops of Frankincense in a capsule, take your Boswellia uhm—uhm—supplement. Take it at the same time and monitor it and apply it topically. Topical application, so key.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Great. And what do you think about the best essential oil companies that are out there? I know there’s a big multi-levels like doTerra and Young Living. What do you think about them? What do you think about some other ones in the market? Where can people a good quality essential oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: My answer is, I hate to say it, I can’t answer it because this is my commitment to the world. I’m not gonna recommend a brand.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Here’s a reason whybecause bias. I’m committed to being an unbiased researcher and I learned in Public Health School 101.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You can’tYou gotta get out of the brand wars. Plus I will say, too, FDA. The problem that a lot of MOM folks have right now is restricted by FDA compliance. So they can’t with say, “Hey, use my essential oils and sell the essential oils and talk about diseases that’s known as a drug claim.”  So here’s why I do what I do, folks. I have the freedom of speech. I know I really upset people by not giving this answer. But if you want me to continue researching if you want me to continue sharing how to use this oil safely and effectively, I can’t recommend a brand, or sell, okay? So with that said, I wrote an article about how to choose a brand. There are many ways, there are several essential oil brands out there. I will give you a couple tips, though, for folks that are interested.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: At the end of the day, I will say at the end of the day, you can use multiple brands. There is no number one best brand. Just don’t believe it. Here’s why Biochemical individuality. And I’m a perfect example of it. There are certain brands that their blends really respond well to me, but let’s say I tried lemon and something about that lemon just doesn’t work with my body. Why? Because my chemistry doesn’t react to the chemistry. And here’s the thing, it all depends on the sourcing, it depends on the harvest, it depends on how they source it, how they store it, whether it’s organic, indigenous, wild-crafted. There’s so many different aspects to this. You have to find what works for you. And my family and I, we use about six or seven brands consistently because we know what works for us. We have our favorites. But in the end of the day, you have to do a little trial and error. Folks, there is no magic bullet. So youyou have to sample. And my recommendation is to really wholeheartedly, and Justin, I hope you agree with this when it comes to supplementation as well, is the organoleptic evaluation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You know organoleptic meaning how does your body respond? When you smell something, do you get a headache? When you taste it, does it taste sour? Is it pleasant? You get the shakes, you get nausea, Youwe need to know how our five senses react to something. So before I recommend a supplement regimen of $1000 to someone, I’m gonna give them a sample first. You know, this isn’t a—a one-size-fits-all approach. Same thing with essential oils. You need find out how your body responds, how does it look like? Put a couple of drops and you can see in the back right there, may little diffuser. Put a couple drops of let’s say lemon oil, it’s a perfect oil to start with. It’s relative orange, relatively cost-effective. Buy orange from a few different companies. Hey, invest 50 bucks, it’s worth it, seriously, it’s your health. So get orange, put a couple of drops in the diffuser and just hang out in your kitchen for a little bit. Do it while you’re getting ready for breakfast. How do you feel? I mean, really how do you feel? You get nauseousWell probably not a good idea that you use it. Does it get you little energy? Does it make you smile? Well, that’s a good sign that the brand orange works for you. You kinda have to go that way. And maybe there’s a skin patch test that you could use. That’s you know, when you buy carpet cleaner.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It says, try that inconspicuous part of your carpet before you— you potentially stain your whole carpet. Well, what do you do? You get a little essential oil, dilute it with coconut oil. Put it from the back of your hand. And what happens? You are wrapped in a rash does it hurt? Does it burn? It shouldn’t. If you dilute it properly, it should be a pleasant experience. So that’s called the organoleptic test, folks. I will leave you with this. Because this is something I think we all need toto recognize. You know, when you buy a car and I’m gonna use this analogy for the multi-level marketingnetwork marketing companies versus the others that— that don’t sell uhmthrough that way. When you buy a car, you could choose to get a Mercedes or you could choose to get let’s say, a Chevy, uhmwe could argue all day long whether or not a Mercedes is worth the money or whether you could get by with a Chevy. I’m comparing a multilevel marketing company to a Mercedes because you’re paying extra You are. You are paying extra for the service that you get. These companies have to pay 6-7-8 down lines worth of commission and so they literally raise their prices 5-6-7-10 times as much as they could. But here’s the thing, if you get value out of it, it’s worth it. If you have a support from your up line, if you trust the company, I’ll say, I know people that if they can afford it, they’re getting a Mercedes and they love it. They love the service; they love the esteem; they love the in a sense, social proof behind it. So with that said I—I  just realized you are paying more but I’m not saying you’re wasting your money just how like how I would never say that someone who buys a Mercedes is wasting her money. You gotta find value in that. If you’re on a super tight budget, you might want to think twice about an MOM and go through another vendor. There are many, many that sell quality oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. So What are those top three criteria we’re looking at? We’re trying to make sure the oils are organic, I imagine. We don’t want the pesticides and chemicals, that’s a given, correct?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: No. You know, I hate to say it. No, because it’s a problem. They actually had a study—or not a study—a whole conference around this in 2014 in Rome, Italy where they evaluated the pesticide content in organic oils and there’s no way. There are pesticide residues in organic oils. Why?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Less than regular.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yes, of course. So if you wanna minimize it, but the thing is—is if you want uhm — good, good question. If you want to completely avoid pesticides, I don’t think you can.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Unless you— really, you just can’t. Even if you grow it in your backyard coz it drift away and then water run off. So organic is in consideration; indigenous sourcing, that’s a consideration. You really want to get oils whether naturally— you wanna get the plants where they’re naturally harvested. I think that’s a great idea. Uhm— Here’s the thing, reputation, referrals— you wanna start— I’m a referral junkie like, you know, I’m looking for a new dentist. I’m going to one of  my friends, “Hey who do you recommend?” Contact two or three or four friends that you really trust, no more than five, seriously, coz it gets confusing. Contact some really close friends that you know are in control of your health and you value them; you look up and say, “What brand do you recommend?” I know you’re using these oils and start there. Contact the company; ask them about their sourcing. They should have batch reports. They should be able to send you information whether via email or whatever. They have all this stuff. Ask them for information— How do you source it? What are your quality standards? All these different things. You wanna get this Information. If a company cannot readily provide that, I would think twice. At this point, they should have their act together. And the reality is remember folks, there’s no such thing as certified this; There’s no such thing as third-party testing. Meaning no government agency that’s third-party is truly evaluating all this. It’s all internal. So all boils down to trust. It all boils down to trust because no one is forcing these companies to sell pure oils.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally makes sense. And what’s the best way to apply these oils? So someone’s trying to get these oils into their body fast, what’s the best way? Are we going over lymphatic sites behind the ears, crease of the elbow, behind the knees, uh— in the in the lymph node area of the throat? How do you get them into patients fast so it works therapeutically?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Good question. The fastest, most effective— fastest I should say is in— inhalation. So like this, that—  or you can actually have a diffuser. Uh—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Diffuser—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You— you can apply even apply it topically over your chest, you could get like Vicks Vapor rub uhm—  diffusing it to an ultrasonic diffuser like I have behind me. There’s a variety of ways like that is the fastest way; However, I feel the most effective is topical and there’s a research study that proved—that showed the percutaneous absorption rate of different parts of your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Number one is the genital region and it makes sense. What’s the most sensitive part of your body when you apply anything to it? Your genital.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. A lot of blood flow down there.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And there is. So you gotta think of it, Justin, traditionally aromatherapy will actually recommend anal suppositories for certain conditions. We’re talking immediate application into the blood system. So if that weirds you out, I get it. That freaks people out. So okay, let’s stay away far from from the genitals. I wanna be careful; I don’t wanna burn myself. So the next best way is the back of the neck.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: The absorption on the back of the neck is the best way to apply the oils. And next is the stomach, the abdomen. And that’s where the research studies have shown that linalool, the chemical in lavender penetrates and gets into the bloodstream within 20 minutes of applying a diluted mixture. So stomach is safe, back and neck, and then arms, and finally your legs and feet. So when people say, “Oh, apply the oils in the bottoms of your feet.” Yeah, that’s nice you get the aromatic benefit like you could smell it. But it’s really not. It’s not the most effective way of getting oils into your body because again, there’s a lot of myths out there the pores of your—  your feet are not this big like people make it sound like. There’s a lot of calluses down there; it’s tough skin; it’s hard for stuff to get in your body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Any opinion on cannabis oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know it’s been used for epilepsy, pain, anxiety, a lot of really good anti-cancer benefits. What your thoughts are uh CBD oil, in particular?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Well first CBD oil is not an essential oil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And that’s where a little confusion comes into play. The essential oil is much different. Uhm—  the essential oil is the essential oils, not at extract. And that’s what CBD oil is. It’s basically a solvent extract. And if they use something like hexane or some other petrochemical, I get weirded out by that, I’ll tell you, man. It has to have a solid like CO2—CO2 extraction, CBD oil is fantastic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: CO2

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You do. You do not want to use a solvent, a petrochemical solvent to get your stuff out, man. It’s bad news bears. And that’s what Bob—Rob I’m sorry, I should— should remember this. Bob Simpson, or you know, the Bob Simpson oil.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: He’s using hexane. Forget that, man. So I mean, you— they actually have—  you could buy CO2 extract and basically it’s— it’s hyper atmospheric CO2 coz CO2 as we know is an air. CO2 when it’s frozen is your— your— your—  your liquid or your—uhm—your—uhm—your frozen ice, what’s that called? Help me out here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah. I think you need to be the dry ice.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. CO2 when it’s frozen is your dry ice.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: CO2 when it’s evaporated is in your air; but CO2 can actually become a liquid, if it’s at a constant temperature at a constant atmospheric pressure. And that is how they’re extracting. And the chemical properties of these essential oils are profound. So yes, CO2, cannabis is fantastic for cancer; it’s fantastic for pain; it’s fantastic for nausea. I mean every cancer patient should have it for a number reasons. Coz it helps with the symptoms, it helps especially counteract a lot of the stuff that happens when you’re at chemo. Uhm—and I actually wrote an article all about cannabis oil because it’s not an essential oil. You gotta remember that. There is cannabis essential oil, completely different chemical structure. Again, what’s volatile? What’s not? What will evaporate? What won’t? What will survive steam distillation or what will be lost? And so we always gotta remember even if you extract or cold-pressed it’s called a citrus oil versus steam distilling it, there’s different chemical properties. So you guys kinda look at the chemistry a little bit. Find out what is it that I want; what is it that I need; and go accordingly.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it. Totally makes sense. Now, you have four kids. So I imagine you probably have all of the— the parental injuries and all these different things that happen with the kiddos and a lot of people they go back to the conventional medicine cabinet, right?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A lot of the anti-inflammatory, maybe the harsh medications to treat the symptoms. What are your top three oils for dealing with kiddo issues? Coughs, scrapes, headaches, burns. What are your top three for that?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. You know—Yeah. Going back to what—going back—it’s a good question going back to what I share with the other three. It’d be similar. I would choose peppermint, orange and lavender.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Okay.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Lavender particularly because it’s just helps her children. We diffuse lavender; We have a sleepy time blend, we’ll put lavender, a little bit of vetiver rum chamomile. We’ll give my—my wife does it. My kids call it the royal touch where she just touches them and massages their back and she gives him a nice, you know, aromatherapy massage before bed put a few drops in the diffuser and a religious helps calm the house down and get them ready for night time as we pray and read the stories. That’s really cool. Peppermint like I shared it’s—it’s—it’s—it’s the MVP Uhm— there is a little bit of disagreement in the world whether or not the aromatherapy world that peppermint is safe for children. We’ve used peppermint as young as a couple months old all the way through. Here— one thing you gotta consider children are miniature adults. They really, really are. At the end of the day, they’re just miniature adults; However, when it comes to premature babies and things, their skin are like sponges and Justin, you know, you’re having a baby soon you’ll find this out. You’ll apply—You can apply a whole like liter of coconut oil on your baby and it’ll just be—their skin will be dry in a couple of hours.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’s crazy. So lit—especially newborns, their skin is so absorbent so you wanna be careful.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And some experts recommend don’t even use essential oils on children for the first couple months of their life. I’m not gonna argue that. I’ll tell you that we have, very safely, I’m talking highly diluted, like one drop per tablespoon kind of thing and we’ve done well. And peppermint is fantastic especially for those tummy issues. We use that a lot— peppermint for tummy issues. You know when the baby gets colicky, you know, they need to pass gas and things that helps, and we like— we uhm—essentially my wife anoints our kids with a—a mixture of orange and—and vanilla. She calls it her oil of joy blend. And every morning it’s— it’s what we do. We slather them up and we get them ready for school and we get them all happy and just helps promote, positive, positive emotions. So peppermint, orange and lavender are critical for my house for our children.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And how are you diluting those oil? You said in 1 tablespoon, so you doin’ like a little bit of MCT or some fraction of the coconut oil? What does that look like?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. Good question. There are variety of carrier oils and it all depends what you’re trying to do. And folks, if you don’t— you really wanted to learn—  and this is definitely out of the scope of this talk just because this would turn into an aromatherapy class—  you gotta get your dilutions down and I have that in uhm— I actually have a pdf that people can get, like all of it— like what’s 1%? What’s 2%? So here’s like I guess the bottom-line if your —your math person, take notes on this. In 1 ounce, okay? 1 ounce of a carrier oil, almond, jojoba, evening primrose, coconut, doesn’t matter, there’s a roughly 600 drops. So if you want a 1% dilution, which is typically safe for children for the face, for the—for the genitalia, it’s very highly diluted 1%. You’d only put 6 drops.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Six drops of essential oil per—uhm—per ounce. That’s the standard. You know, just think of it in terms like that. Which oil you use to dilute it? It’s up to you. I mean—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s the variety one, though?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. There’s a varie— we don’t—my—my—my favorite’s my wife’s blend. She created a uh— this is on my website, too— she created a Mama Z oils base where she used coconut, almond and jojoba and a little bit of vitamin e acts as a preservative and really, really helps. You make your own. Uhm—if you want something that helps prevent oxidation, which will help extend the shelf life of your essential oil, and something that really penetrates quick, fractionated coconut or MCT is fantastic. It gets a little pricey but, you know, it’s worth in the long run on uhm—especially for burns, for you know, tumors, for things like uhm—uhm—  cold sores on your mouth, something like that. It doesn’t leave an oily ry—residue. And that’s the thing about essential oils, they’re really not oils that we think, they don’t leave a residue. So that’s where your fractionated coconut comes in. Your normal coconut oil, that works great but it’s more like a lotion, more good for your toothpaste and that stuff.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. It’s a solid fat so typically you have to get a lot of body heat going to get it liquefy

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And what do you think about people that are trying to get off smoking and they’re going to like a vapor e-cigarette. There’s a lot of people that are doing these oil-based vape solutions.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: What’s your take on that? I know there’s a lot— there’s some that have like a lot of— I think uhm— preservatives in it, like uh— I can’t think—  polysorbitol, polysorbate.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: — is also I think some—some— uh—I think it’s the anti-freeze compound, I forget what it is. It’s various paraben. But again, these are preservatives that are in some of these oils that keep it lasting longer. Are there any that you like that are good to put in the vape or the e-cigarette, if you trying to convert or going off of real cigarettes?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I think those things are absolutely ridiculous. I mean our—our lungs are not made to inhale that concentrated amount of essential oils. Just think of it, it is— it’s ridiculous. I mean, you can actually cause lung damage especially because of those— those concentrated—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: compounds, those preservatives. But you know what helps with cigarette withdrawal?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Black pepper.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhmm

Dr. Eric Zielinski: —proven. Research. Black pepper and he— and I’ve —I’ve help—I’ve help people do this and I kid you not, it works. You can diffuse. And I suggest uhm—at work or at night especially diffusing at night next your bed stand. It’s so easy to do because you’re not thinking, you’re sleeping and you just enjoy the vapors in your body just starts to change and even consciously realize what’s happening. I love it. So for folks that I’ve help get off cigarettes is black pepper and you can just put a few drops. There are other oils I can help as well. Again, peppermint is very good at curbing uhm—unhealthy cravings, lime, grapefruit these are all cinnamon. They’re known also to help curb unhealthy food cravings but to me and Justin, I don’t know if you agree or not with this, but addiction is addiction it’s like an addiction cascade in the mind, whether you’re addicted to sex, whether you’re addicted to food, whether you’re addicted to a drug. It ki— it still triggers the same aspect of the addiction cascade in the mind. So if something works with food, I’ve seen it work in the same with nicotine. And so person— as my experience and black pepper is great. Another technique is to put—coz a—I used to smoke for five years. So I get this, the oral fixation.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: And so a good technique is to get some diluted— make about a 5 or I would even say 10% dilution uhm—which would be 60 drops of black pepper per ounce of a carrier oil, coconut would work nice, after the taste nice. Put that in the bowl and get some toothpicks. Have those toothpicks soak up the essential oil blend and it’s called uhm— you know, black pepper stick. Put that in your mouth, suck on the toothpick. It gives that oral fixation habit to rest; you get the benefits of the anti-withdrawal. And I tell you, it helps with withdrawals because nicotine withdrawals are killer. So yeah, folks, don’t be doing those vapor things. They’re not good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Now do you still—Do you feel like it’s still a good step in the right direction where smoking is a lot worse than that? At least maybe it’s not optimal but it’s still better?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Or do you feel it’s just as bad as smoking a cigarette?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. It’s just another replacement. Again, I can’t say if it’s bad—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Do you think it’s as bad, though?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I don ‘t think it’s good. I mean it’s replacing one bad thing with another. I-I am not—I’m not a fan of that stuff. I mean I—you know, is it worse? I don’t know, we don’t have any clinical trials. But to—to—to— put the concentrated preservatives in your precious alveolar just doesn’t make sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, I know there healthier ones out there that don’t have that junk. So there is kind of the standard you know like—

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Crappy meat to McDonald’s and grass-fed meet at the— at the local store. So I know there are different variations to that. Again, just want your take on it, but it sounds like you’re against it, anyway.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And even if you know why to— even if it were just pure—And I don’t think— I haven’t seen them. I have not seen a pure only 100% essential oil-based. I haven’t seen that. There’s always something else in it. You have to go emulsified to help you get in, become a vapor. I—the problem I have with it is is our body aren’t made, designed to have a concentrated amount of essential oils in it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Uhm.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Like you can actually cause a sensitization response and people are findings of becoming allergic to essential oils coz they’re using them too highly concentrated. And that’s a problem, like again, you—you—you could cause some asthma and bronchial issues by inhaling the stuff in the wrong way. Again, diffusion’s perfect. Right behind me. You got millions and millions of particles of these oils in the air and it’s a well-ventilated room. Imma put it in my lungs—it’s just not smart. So anyway, that’s just my thought. Uhm— I could be wrong, been wrong before but uhm—it just doesn’t settle right with me, especially coz it’s not proven.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani Well, I appreciate your perspective on it. I think you have some really good, valid points there.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Now, last question here before we did in. Uhm— looking at female hormones and male hormones. I deal with a lot of these issues primarily on the female side, but the male side, too. We’re constantly trying to help support and balance, you know, hormones naturally and male hormones naturally. What’s your favorite oil to help improve male hormonal balance? And what’s your favorite oil for females maybe that’s a cycling female and/or menopausal females so we can cut us with those up.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: That’s a good question. I don’t have a good answer for the male side uhm—unfortunately, I haven’t seen it. I really haven’t seen it. Uhm—I— I’ve seen, on the other end, in the research— a lot of research—I actually have a whole because of, Justin, I wasn’t planning on doing this and thank God, my editor gave me the thumbs up coz I wrote a whole section on it. I wrote an entire section 1/3 of my book is on women’s health because I realized research is— is— is profound. Clary sage—clary sage, geranium, Ylang Ylang and lavender. Those are the go-to oils to help the body get to that homeostasis to get the body harmonizing with hormones. It helps so many issues on their cycle, not on their cycle, pre-menopause, during and post menopause— all of it. And the thing is, it all works. It’s just a matter of finding what works for you. So there’s research showing literally clary sage helping with dysmenorrhea, clary sage helping speed up first stage of delivery, helping stage on helping uhm— with women— with horrible cramps in labor and helping throughout the process of every stage of life. Wow! Which makes sense because what’s—what’s do most midwives recommend? What it do— most herbal medicine practitioners use? clary sage—It’s unbelievable. So when it comes to men, I—I don’t know what to say. I really don’t and I haven’t seen enough research to suggest specifically on testosterone-related issues or any other hormones that I’ve seen. Unfortunately, uhm— that’s the problem with men’s health in aromatherapy. It’s is relatively untested.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Very good. Tons of good knowledge bombs here. I love it. What I’m gonna do afterwards, too. I’m gonna do like a 3 to 5 minute video just kinda summarizing a lot of the key points here. And I will put some links back to your site, as well. I will grab all those references, the article you mentioned, how to spot the oils, how to apply it for all the kid stuff002E

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: We will make sure that in the reference section for the transcription. So people want to know more info about you, click below and go to the transcription to get all of the details below.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Awesome. Thank you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, is there anything kinda last thing here as we wrap up? Uhm— is anything else you wanna add that’s really important? Any projects? Anything that’s going on you wanna let the listeners know about?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. I really wanna emphasize safety. I wanna emphasize effectiveness and wanna emphasize that these oils can change your life. And it’s about balance. Uhm— this is, you know, and I’m gonna get back to my book a lot and that’s coming out in February uhm—it’s a little too soon to even be discussing the details about it yet. I wrote a section and I—I wanna end with here about how to get the most out of this book? How to get the most out of this podcast? How to get the most of my website? How to get the most out of anything uhm— there in the online space? One question I get over and over and over Justin— And not even a, question it’s more like a plea for help is I’m confused. There’s too much out there. You know when I first started this life, Justin, was 15 years ago. Basically all I had was Dr. Mercola. I have mercola.com You and I, we weren’t doing these. There were not as many thousands and thousands of health-related right websites out there. It’s really easy to find info and I’m grateful I found Dr. Mercola coz he’s a pretty trusted source. I felt and still do. So you go right now, folks, and you type up things, like “thyroid health and essential oils” you literally will get hundreds of thousands of hits on Google. And you know what, 99.9% of all of those are not evidence-based. They’re completely made up. Now I’m not saying they’re bad. I’m not saying that they’re fake, I’m saying that these people are talking about things that either they have no right talking about or they’re just passing on—or they’re just sharing their story. And I can’t discount that. I love when people share their testimonies but when people say these top seven oils are good for thyroid health says who? – coz I’ve looked. I’ve spent hours trying to find research, it’s not there. So  here’s my recommendation— is especially for beginning. In health, but particularly with essential oils, limit your teachers, limit your mentors, find two or three people at the most that you’re gonna follow and follow them. And follow them until the point where you realize, like me, I remember I’ll never feels like 2008, I kinda outgrew Dr. Mercola. I’m like, “Wow, I get this now.” I’ve been reading his newsletter faithfully for like five years.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: I got this stuff done, you know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I get it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski:  Yeah. You need to do that folks because the problem is, if you listen to 15-20 different people and let all these people’s voices get in your mind, you’re gonna get confused. I get it all the time so whether it’s me, whether it’s other Dr. so-and-so.com, you gotta find one or two or possibly three people, and follow them, trust them, vet that them out. I’m— who are they?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Love it.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: Yeah. And so once you do, and the same thing with your essential oil company, same thing with your supplement company, same thing with your doctor, once they’re vetted, then you could really hone in and start to get good at this stuff. And that’s it. I’ll tell you. I’ll be the first to say, I’m not perfect, I make mistakes, but you know what, Justin, I regularly go back to my website and fix stuff because I realize, “Oh, that was wrong. Lemme fix that quick.” You wanna find someone like that and I would be honored and privileged, folks if you follow me. I have 150,000 people on my newsletter every week, getting my information. I have hundreds and thousands of people hitting my site every month. So I would be honored and privileged if you do, but if not, find someone that you trust and just— just dive in.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Awesome, man. I appreciate it. Very good. And last thing, one essential oil you can only bring it to a dessert island, you’re stuck there for life, what’s that essential oil?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: It’d be orange.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Orange. I love it. And then what’s the website, Eric?

Dr. Eric Zielinski: drericz.com

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: drericz.com Eric, you’ve been an awesome guest. You’re the man; we appreciate it, helping people every day. You have an awesome weekend.

Dr. Eric Zielinski: You too, man. Thanks for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Thank you.


References:

http://drericz.com/

http://drericz.com/beat-cancer-with-frankincense-oil/

http://drericz.com/can-you-beat-cancer-with-essential-oils/

https://go.thetruthaboutvaccines.com/?utm_campaign=ttav&utm_source=ttac&utm_medium=marquee

http://drericz.com/essential-oils-revolution/

http://drericz.com/diy-sleep-spray/

http://drericz.com/mama-zs-joyful-essential-oil-recipe/

http://drericz.com/mama-zs-oil-base/

http://www.mercola.com/

https://atrantil.com

 

What Causes PMS? Premenstrual Syndrome Holistic Approach

What Causes PMS

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Let’s go into a discussion about PMS or Premenstrual Syndrome – the symptoms and hormones involved and why it occurs in some women. Watch the video and see the overview of what’s really happening in a woman’s body to gain an understanding of this issue.


Symptoms

Symptoms of PMS

A lot of women are probably very familiar with it. Whether it be causing headaches, cramping, abnormal blood flow, breast tenderness. You name it, I’ve seen it.

Overview of the cycle

The average female cycle is 28 days. And 14 days is the halfway point. And what you see in the first half of the cycle, you’re going to see a lot of estrogen in that first half of the cycle, from there, it’s going to drop, and come back a little bit in the second half.

The first half, this is the estrogen-based part of it and your second half of the cycle, will be progesterone. What you’re going to see is nice, low-dose of progesterone in the beginning, and its’ going to come right up, and then nice crash at the bottom here. And you’re going to see the second half of your cycle, predominated with progesterone. Estrogen is going to really happen in the first half. Why is that? Well, what estrogen is doing is use your uterine lining like cells, thickening that uterine lining up nicely.

And then what happens in the second half of the cycle with that nice, thick uterine lining, you get the egg right there.

So important now is this middle area right here, this is where ovulation occurs. It’s kind of the intermediary between the estrogen and the progesterone and that’s where ovulation occurs.

So I think it’s really important to actually know what’s going on in your cycle.

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Cause

Causes of PMS

When the progesterone drops in that second half, this is where menstruation occurs. This is where you actually have your period. What we find is majority of women that have PMS symptoms- the breast tenderness, the cramping, the whole nine yards- their progesterone is actually much lower. So imagine this line, it’s much lower.

So we have low amounts of progesterone in the second half of the cyle. And that can trigger a lot of the symptoms we’re referring to.

So you’re probably thinking, what’s causing this low progesterone?  Well, the question is, where is the progesterone going? Well progesterone is actually getting converted into a hormone, called cortisol.

Cortisol is essentially a glucocorticosteroid. Alright. So, gluco – glucose. Alright. To watch sugar stability is one of the main role of cortisol. Steroid – inflammation, pain.

So one of the most common things that drive low progesterone in the second half of the cycle is blood sugar issues. You’re not getting enough high-quality fat and protein. It’s very important – Inflammation, Pain. This could be chronic back pain, knee pain, neck pain. This could be from too much or too little exercise. This could also be from food allergens. This could also be from infections. There’s really no magic pill for it. PMS, there’s no magic pill for it coz it can be a combination of these issues.

Recommendation

Recommendations

So what we do here is, we actually address the adrenal glands. The adrenals are really responsible for producing cortisol, as well as progesterone.

If we can address adrenal glands, we’re going to have a huge impact and balance in this last half of the cycle here. We’ll also have a huge impact for the rest of the lifestyle concern, which is blood sugar, exercise lifestyle, diet and things like that.

We also use some specific herbal blends and even adrenal support to actually help balance this last half of the cycle up.

 


If you have any more questions, please shoot me an email or schedule the consultation and we can go a little bit deeper with your concerns.

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Natural Birth Control Options – Prevent Pregnancy Naturally

Natural Pregnancy

By Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Learn all about the different methods and approaches to preventing pregnancy naturally. Gain information about the ovulation cycle of women and how it is affected by different methods such as the rhythm method, barrier method which includes use of condoms, cervical cap, IUD, and the chemical method which is by use of the birth control pill. Find out about the pros and cons of each and combination of approaches and determine which one works for you.


I have lots of female patients that are inquiring about this. Also their male counterparts who is trying to figure out ways that they can prevent pregnancy without having a whole bunch of synthetic hormones in the body. So we have the conventional approach, which we’ll talk about today and we’ll also compare that some of the natural approaches and figure out what works best for you. At least give you the options that you can make a better decision.

Three Methods to Prevent Pregnancy:

1. Rhythm method (time-based)

2. Barrier methods (condoms, cervical caps, diaphragms and IUDs)

3. Chemical methods (birth control pills)

RHYTHM METHOD

Rhythm Method

Whether they’re a synthetic estrogen or progesterone-based, we’re going to go through this one by one. So off the bat, we have the rhythm method. First thing with the rhythm method is you have to know what your cycle is like.

Ovulation

A typical cycle is going to be about 28 days long, on average. If we draw this out, 28 to 0, that gives you a good frame of reference. And we’re going to use the red for the estrogen. The first half of the cycle you’re going to see, estrogen kind of pop-up a bit. Then it drops off the last half of the cycle, like so.

Progesterone is going to be blue here. You’re going to see progesterone comes up, right about here in the middle of the cycle and then falls off here at the end. So you could see here, first part of the cycle right here- the start, this part here is going to be the follicular phase- put an f and x to it. And this part over here will be the luteal phase.

Estrogen predominates in the first half. Progesterone predominates in the second half- really important. Now ovulation, the primary in which pregnancy can occur, is going to happen right here, right in the middle. This is the money right here. That’s the money shot. And that’s where the sperm and the egg have to meet at the same time. And that’s going to be where that happens.

Fertility

So knowing that, what we do based on that information? If we have about 2 to 3 day window here, so about 2-3 days here, and we know sperm can live about 5 days – 5 to 7, essentially. We have a 5 to 7, plus three-day window here. Essentially, we got about 10 days a month a woman could potentially be fertile if sex happens beforehand. Because if ovulation’s already happened, it wouldn’t matter if sperm came in here because the hormonal timing is now passed. But If we have sperm in here ahead of time, they could easily get in, fertilize that egg. And a baby would be on its way, so to speak.

We have about 10 days of fertility a month – 10 days. And again, it really takes someone knowing their cycle. I recommend a female having at least six cycles, whether within at least a day or two. So they kind of know where that ovulation is.

Three things to note when using the rhythm method:

  1. Drop in temperature
  2. Increase in temperature following the drop
  3. Increase in cervical mucus production

A couple things you can do to figure that out is a great app called Kindara on the iPhone. And the first thing that you can do, is you can track your temperatures first thing in the morning. You will first notice a drop in temperature. And second thing you’re going to know that you’re already into ovulation, is you’re going to notice an increase in temperature following the drop.

So it’s the drop first. The increase, second. And this kind of means you’re already in the middle of ovulation here. We’re already ovulating here. And the last thing would be also noticing some cervical mucus, kind of like an egg yolk kind of consistency. So those will be the three categories that you would use while you’re in your cycle to kind of confirm that you’re moving along in the right direction. You can also do an ovulation test which measures luteinizing hormone. It’s part of the brain signaling that increases progesterone which is part of that increase in temperature there.

When to use the rhythm method

You can do the rhythm method and use it to avoid sex during this time frame here to here. The big thing is you have to make sure you don’t come in too soon after. So typically, day 10 to day 20, or day 8-18 is pretty safe. And if you’re on the fence, you can use a condom and/or various barrier methods if you’re within a day or two and you’re kind of uncertain about it. Barrier methods or as we said the rhythm method works about 88% of the time. So just be very mindful. It’s not perfect. If your cycle is inconsistent or you’re more on the unhealthy size from a hormone perspective, you may want to look at combining a condom or barrier method along with that. That’s the rhythm method there.

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THE BARRIER METHOD

The Barrier Method

So with the barrier method, we have a couple standard ones here. You have your condom, which will protect you from STD’s as well.  Well that’s a male counterpart, right there. The others will be all female counterparts.

There’s a pill that we’re using. It’s not quite out yet, but it’s decreasing FSH for men which then creates spermatogenesis downstream.  I’m not sure how much I feel about that yet. Not an update on it, but  it’s something. It’s coming out – the male version of the pill.

Condoms

So condoms are going to be the first one. Again, this will actually protect against STD, which is good. The others won’t.

Cervical Cap / Diaphragm

You’re going to have your cervical cap / diaphragm, kind of similar. And that’s just the barrier. Basically, it’s blocking the cervix where the sperm would come in from the cervix into the uterine lining or into the uterus. It basically caps that off and blocks it. So you have the cervical cap and the diaphragm.

IUD

It basically sits in the uterus here and prevents the egg from implanting. That’s how the idea works. It is effective of disrupting implantation of the egg, so the egg can’t come in there and stick. We have barriers: condom, cervical cap, diaphragm, IUD. So couple things here. This is going to be something the guy can use. Also protects the STD’s there, too.

Advantages and Disadvantages of the barrier method

Cervical cap and diaphragm are great because they can be combined with the condoms. So you have a barrier method on the male side, a barrier method on the female side, which provides really good, extra coverage. The only thing is you got to put all these things in. You can’t let these things stick. You got to put them on before sexual intercourse or foreplay. So you’re going to know to do that ahead of time. 1-2-3.

The IUD is nice because it’s always there. So you don’t have to plan it ahead of time. The main one that we recommend would be the Paragard IUD. That’s going to be a copper based IUD. You have to worry about some copper issue with that. But, I mean it’s not going to be the Marina which is the progesterone, synthetic progesterone IUD. So it’ll be a copper IUD and it’s always going to be there. Some women, it can create bleeding issues. You got to figure out if it’s right for you or not. You may want to try it and see if it works well from a symptomatic standpoint, but that’s always going to be in there.

Combining IUD and Condoms

A lot of times you can do an IUD, you can combine with condoms or if you don’t want to do the IUD because of side effects or you’re worried about the copper issues, you can combine the barrier method with the condom method and then you got a really good shot. And you can also just do the condom method. That’s still going to be good, 90%+ of the time. If  you combine them, obviously you get even better coverage. That gives you the barrier method there. So you have the rhythm, and again you can use all these and combine them with the rhythm method during that 10-day time frame at your hormonally sensitive for ovulation and for fertility and pregnancy. So these can be combined with the rhythm method.

THE CHEMICAL METHOD

The Chemical Method

So with the chemical method, let’s talk about the birth control pill. The birth control pill, in general, works by inhibiting ovulation by decreasing feedback loops in the brain. So real quick, we have our brain. And we have from the brain, we have our hypothalamus and our pituitary, and that produces a compound down here. We have FSH on one side and LH on the other side and that talks to the gonads. This case, that’s the ovaries. The males, it’s that the testes. So these various feedback loops here. And LH and FSH are really important.

Luteineizing Hormone (LH) and Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)

The LH in a female helps to increase progesterone levels which are responsible for cervical mucus. And FSH helps grows the follicle and also helps thicken the endometrial lining so the egg can implant. So does the LH as well. If we decrease these, we decrease them by taking the birth control pill.  It’s going to increase more cervical mucus before ovulation, so it makes it harder for the egg to get in there. That’s going to be the synthetic progesterones. And then the FSH is going to make the endometrial lining thinner.  The endometrial lining will get thinner with the FSH being lower and the cervical mucus will get thicker with the LH being lower. Synthetic progesterone will increase cervical mucus. These synthetic estrogen will actually thin out the uterine lining and have effects.

So number one, it’s going to be harder for the egg to get into the uterus. Number two, it’s going to be harder for the egg to implant into the uterine lining because deep lining will be thinner. And that’s the general idea for the most part, a woman’s going to be be taking 21 days of pills.

Types of pills

Typically,  it may be a combo of estrogens and progesterone and synthetic ones. So not estrogen, but synthetic estrogens and not just progesterone, but synthetic progesterone. Maybe a combo a lot of times, it’s going to be a ethanyl-estradiol like a Yasmine kind of thing. Or it may be a combo that has synthetic estrogen and progesterone.

Sometimes if there’s side effects, though, we’ll give women progestins throughout the month as well. Those got to be taken exactly at the exact time everyday. Less flexibility with those than the regular ones. But again, 21 days typically of pills, followed by seven days of reminder pills, which are basically just dummy pill, so your hormone levels can drop. Because it’s the drop in hormones that signals the uterine lining to shed and does it all again.

Summary

Again, birthcontrol pills- what is it doing? High amount of estrogen and progesterone. The high amount of estrogen and progesterone drops the LH and the FSH. And when that’s dropped, what happens is, thicker cervical mucus cap, sperm can get up there- that’s from the LH. We  have a thinner uterine lining from the FSH and the estrogen’s behind which makes it hard for the egg to stick.

Some side effects of the pill

Pills can increase sex hormone binding globulin, which can actually decrease your testosterone levels. So common side effect is a lower testosterone, so lower libido.

It can also increase thyro-binding globulin, which can lower your free fraction of thyroid hormone, which can cause weight gain.

So we have decreased energy, decreased libido, and waking- the side effects there. Not to mention nutritional deficiencies ranging from B vitamins, to folate, to methylation, the calcium, magnesium and zinc. There’s a whole bunch of other things going on.

Recommendation

We always try to go with the most natural route possible. And I always try to suggest these things above, the barrier rhythm methods because or a combo because of their safety record.

Pills and Cancer

Again, the pill- not a fan of the synthetic hormones. Just not a fan of it. I mean, the pill has been shown to help reduce uterine cancer and ovarian cancer and thyroid cancer, but it’s been shown to increase breast cancer. And breast cancer is a far bigger killer than the first three. So you got to keep that in mind. Plus, we’re bombarded with estrogens – synthetic estrogens in our environment all the time, and we’re in this. Most females are in a constant state in various testings we do. They’re in a constant sate of estrogen dominance whether estrogen is so high in relationship to the natural estrogen-progesterone balance. And they are predisposed to fibrocystic breast conditions endometriosis, fibroids, ovarian cysts. Mainly because of the hormones being out of balance.

Pills and Symptoms

Now a lot of people are being prescribed birth control pills off-label. So they’re being prescribed because of hirsutism or hair issues on their face, or excessive bleeding, or migraine headaches, or mood issues, or PMS. And a lot of times, the pill is not really getting to the root cause.

If your hormones during your cycle go high and low, then high-low again, then drop, it will cause symptoms. The perturbations or up-and-down fluctuations are going to create symptoms, mood issues, migraine, headaches. If it falls out early, and you have 5-7 day gap, this can drive PMS, back pain, cramping, breast tenderness, moodiness, depression.

So again, is it really fixing the underlying issue? Because all it’s doing is taking your estrogen and doing this. It’s raising a flat line, then you hit your reminder pills, and then basically goes right down. So you’re just basically raising your estrogen levels super, super high and then you’re taking your 7-days reminder pills, and it drops. So all it’s doing is, instead of the up-and-downs here, it’s covering all the deficiencies up by giving you a flat line hormone.

Again, birth control pill’s been around for 50 years or so. Some side effects are present. Pretty easy, easier than most above, so you got to figure out what works best for you. Whether you rather have a little bit more inconvenience, but less synthetic hormones; or a little more convenience for potential side effects. So you got to weigh out pros and cons.


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The Top 5 Birth Control Pill Side Effects – Functional medicine options

Birth Control PillsBy Dr. Justin Marchegiani

Birth control pills can have many side effects. Many times birth control pills are prescribed for reasons outside of just avoiding pregnancy. Many times birth control pills are prescribed for acne, migraines, excessive menstruation and PMS symptoms.

The problem with this type of approach is it doesn’t fix the root cause of why those symptoms are there in the first place. At some point, these old symptoms will reveal themselves again and maybe worse than they were originally.

Today’s video is going to be on birth control pills and their side effects. We’re going to break down their mechanism, how they work and the potential side effects and just things that you can do naturally to get to the root cause.

Birth Control Pills

Birth Control Pills

The conventional alternative if you’re trying to prevent pregnancy is typically the chemical modality or the chemical pharmaceutical option, which is a birth control pill.

There are couple of different kinds that are out there.You have the shots, you have the ones where they insert little things under your skin, little pellets under your skin. And then you also have the typical birth control pill that you swallow. You also have IUDs, too, that are more physical deflectants of birth control pill but you have the Marina, which is a synthetic progesterone IUD that goes through and prevents pregnancy.

Outside of that, you have your birth control pill, you typically have your synthetic estrogen, like your Ethinylestradiol, like the Yaz for instance, and then you have your combinations like Yaz, which is an Ethinylestradiol and the Drospirenone. And then you have your regular estrogen-based birth control pills which are the Ethinylestradiol like the NuvaRing, etc.

The most prescribed medications out there are going to be your birth control pills, typically the combo, or the estrogen only. And sometimes you’ll even see synthetic progesterone ones that are done if you kept side effects with the combo progesterone and estrogen versions.

If you have those issues, if you’re trying to prevent pregnancy, that’s the typical avenue.

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Other Uses of Birth Control Pills

Uses Of Birth Control Pills

Birth control pills are also prescribed for other side effects like acne or mood issues like in your period, migraine headaches, excessive menstruation, and a lot of those issues are driven by other physiological imbalances. So if you have breast tenderness or PMS symptoms (moodiness, back pain, breast tenderness, headaches), typically that’s going to be caused by fluctuations in estrogen and progesterone especially in the last half of your cycle. That will be about one to two weeks before you menstruate when you start seeing imbalances.

How Do Birth Control Pills Work?

Effects of Birth Control Pills

Lets talk about the organs involved when taking birth control pill. We have your cervix, vagina and uterus. So this is your vaginal area. Obviously what’s going to happen? You take a birth control pill, a few things are going to happen.

Decrease in FSH and LH

These are your pituitary hormones that talk to the ovaries to make progesterone and estrogen. When you’re taking a birth control pill, essentially you’re telling your brain that you’re pregnant. That’s why these hormones start to drop. When these hormones drop, they stopped talking to the ovaries to make estrogen and progesterone. So typically, FSH is going to then talk to the egg here and stop that egg from growing if it’s low. It’s going to stimulate the egg grow if it’s high. So the FSH is low, that egg is not going to grow. So the egg here won’t grow and then with the FSH being low and the LH being low, what tends to happen is you get a thickening of the cervical cap so it’s harder for sperm to make their way in to the uterine lining, and typically with a birth control pill, with natural cycle, estrogen start to come up in the first half of the cycle and that starts to thicken the uterine lining.

But when you’re taking like a Yaz pill for instance that has the synthetic progesterone, the Drospirenone, that actually thins out the uterine lining. It thins it out and makes it thinner, so it makes it harder for an egg if it is released to actually stick into the uterine lining. It makes it harder to stick.

Mechanisms Involved

Number one, it’s inhibiting ovulation by decreasing FSH and LH. That’s the first linchpin. If mechanism two and three doesn’t work and that works, we’re fine. But let’s say an egg, for some reason, does slip out. Let’s say the FSH and LH wasn’t quite low enough. Well, then maybe the egg pops out but maybe it’s still harder for the sperm to get in. So maybe number two prevents pregnancy from happening, and maybe number three, let’s say the sperm does make its way in past number two, and that’s when number two fails, maybe the egg can actually still bind into the uterine lining. But if it’s thinner, it’s going to be much harder for it to bind in.

So kind of recapping here, birth control pill works a couple different ways:

  1. Inhibiting ovulation.
  2. Preventing sperm from getting into the uterus area to begin with.
  3. Preventing the sperm and the egg from sticking into the uterine lining and fertilizing.

Women’s Menstrual Cycles

We typically have the first half of the cycle predominated by estrogen. So estrogen is up like this in the first half of the cycle; then we have progesterone that predominates the second half of the cycle. And you can see what happens is progesterone rises and falls and estrogen rises and falls right at the end of the cycle which triggers menses.  And then we have the part here in the middle of the cycle where ovulation happens and that’s where pregnancy can occur.

Effect of Pill on the Cycle

So basically what’s happening with the birth control pill is these hormones aren’t going to fluctuate because the LH and the FSH is dropped. Because the LH and the FSH is dropped, we’re not going to have that nice, natural rhythm of hormone because essentially our brains think we’re pregnant. That’s the general gist there.

What the birth control pill is doing is, instead of there being drops in progesterone level, we are now getting a high amount of progesterone and estrogen above where we’re supposed to be at. And so, we now have a flat line. Instead of having those perturbations, now it’s flat and smooth. And then typically around Day 21 and 22, we take those five to seven days of reminder pills which then allows the hormones to drop like so and that allows menstruation to happen. With progesterone only pill, that may not happen; but on an estrogen or estrogen-progesterone combo, that’s what’s going to happen. So that gives you the general physiological mechanism of how all this stuff is working.

Side Effects of Birth Control Pills
Birth Control Pills Side Effects

Depression

With the birth control pill, we may have more depression. It may affect your mood and it’s one of the most common side effects of the birth control pill because you’re affecting hormones. Hormones are intimately connected to our moods. So if you’re taking hormones and bringing them above a physiological or bringing them to a super physiological level, it may affect our moods.

Infections

Again, candida and fungal overgrowth. Because the birth control pills affect the pH in the vaginal tract, it makes it a little bit alkaline so it actually raises that pH a little bit.  When the pH is more alkaline above 7, that makes it more inhabitable for yeast and bacteria to grow. So when you’re stressed and when you’re on birth control pills, increased chance of a UTI or a fungal infection and then guess what happens? You’re given antibiotics and then what happens again? You’re at an increased chance for a rebound overgrowth. So you can see how one thing kind of increases your chance of intervention that drives other symptoms down the road.

Nutritional deficiencies

Birth control pills are notorious for creating B vitamin deficiencies, folate, B9, B12, B1, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin. All these are important. B vitamins, vitamin C vitamin E, zinc, magnesium, selenium are really important for your thyroid as well. So you can see these nutrients are going to be depleted with the birth control pill. You have to be mindful that if you’re going to use the pill, you have to make sure you’re taking high-quality multivitamin. That will replete some of these missing nutrients as well as a healthy diet on top of that.

Decreased libido

Because your birth control pill is increasing sex hormone-binding globulin, that’s going to bind up testosterone. So if here’s your testosterone compound like this, what it’s going to do is it’s going to bind the protein to it. So here’s the protein and it’s called sex hormone-binding globulin and that makes it harder for that testosterone to bind into the receptor site. Here’s the receptor site over here and because the purple guy is attached to it, it won’t quite fit. So that protein there renders your testosterone or your sex hormones to be a little bit lower functionally. So guess what happens? Libido goes downhill and also because the testosterone drops a little bit, guess what happens to women’s skin on the birth control pill? It tends to get a little better.

That’s why the birth control pill is prescribed off-label for mood. It can be prescribed for mood in the cycle because it at least levels out the hormones, so it may make it more level. A lot of women report more mood issues.

Weight Gain

This is kind of a controversial one. A lot of places say birth control does not affect weight gain at all but if you look at the side effects on the bottle or on the drug, it’s going to say weight gain. Now some of the mechanisms of that are estrogen, synthetic estrogen increases insulin resistance. So it causes the insulin in your body to make to have to make more of it because the cells are getting numb to the insulin. You go ding dong, ditch your neighbor, after a couple times they stop opening the door. Maybe after one time if they’re smart.

So that’s kind of what happens with insulin. Your body starts to make some of it, and then it’s saying false alarm, and then stops bringing the blood sugar in. So then you need more insulin which causes the fat cells to grow. Insulin is a storage hormone and causes fat cells to grow.

Thryoid Issues

Also sex hormone-binding globulin and thyroglobulin are increased. So thyroglobulin is another hormone where in my analogy over here with testosterone. This is going to be the thyroid hormone. So the T for testosterone, we have TH for thyroid, and then we have the P over here, this is the protein. This is thyrobinding globulin which is a protein compound and that’s going to make it hard for that thyroid hormone to bind into the receptor site over here, so it makes the free fraction, the bioavailable thyroid hormone to actually decrease. So we actually have less the thyroid from a functional standpoint.

Increased risk of Cancer

Birth control pills may increase cervical cancer 300%, 3 times, and increase breast cancer 2 times. This is a new study that came out in August of this year. Previous studies have said it decreases cervical cancer and ovarian cancer, but increases breast cancer. Now some other studies are showing the opposite. We’re saying breast cancer is 2 times higher; but now we’re saying cervical cancer may even be 3 times higher. And that’s from an Iranian study.

Recommendation

Fix the root cause. If you’re taking a birth control pill because you’re trying to prevent pregnancy. Fine, I get that. It totally makes sense. Take a look at the natural birth control pill video if you want to avoid the synthetic hormones and some of the potential side effects, I recommend using that.

We don’t want any unwanted pregnancy, so that’s your only option that you’re willing to do, or that you can be compliant with. Fine, I get it. It’s there for you. Make your choice. I just want you to be informed so you know the potential side effects. Also, you know the other natural options by watching my other natural birth control pill video options. We’ll put on screen so you can access.

And if you’re having these other symptoms like depression, or mood issues, or excessive bleeding, or you’re having weight gain, or skin issues, let’s say as an off-label prescription for the birth control pill, well, you really want to get to the root cause with functional medicine. This invovles getting the adrenals, getting your hormones, and getting your cycle looked at and balanced out.

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Putting together the optimal functional medicine program – Podcast #116

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand discuss about effective functional medicine programs and how they create and follow protocols. This interview goes in-depth about the world of functional medicine practice.

functional medicine programsFind out why you shouldn’t wait for something to happen before doing anything about it health-wise. Discover the differences between Body System One and Two and how optimal health can be attained. Learn about the various tests you can take and the right tools that are available to further achieve better and more effective results with functional medicine.

In this episode, topics include:

01:26   Get help as early as possible

07:00   Body System One

10:19   Diet and lifestyle

17:16   Body System Two

38:22   Tests

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hey, Evan, it’s Dr. J in the flesh. How we doin’ this Monday?

Evan Brand:  Hey, man! I’m doing great. How are you?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I’m doing great. Can’t complain. It’s a little rainy Monday here in Austin. The grass is getting plenty of water which is great. I got the fireplace on behind me, so it’s got that wintery Christmas feel a little bit.

Evan Brand:  Nice. Excellent.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Can’t complain. How about you?

Evan Brand:  Doing well, man. Hey, we were trying to record this thing, and then we had choppy audio so I wanna repeat what my little rant was because I thought that was important. I’m always curious about what is the catalyst for someone to work with yourself or myself, and I had a lady this morning who had been listening to us for six months and she knew that she had problems. She had a lot of gut issues going on but she continued to just listen to try to fix herself, and then she got the diagnosis of alopecia and now she’s lost over half the hair on her head, and now she’s figured out that that’s the time to come and get help. And I just want that to be a fire under people’s butts listening that you shouldn’t wait until things are so bad that you’re at rock bottom before you get help and unfortunately, that’s the conventional system that we’ve all been brainwashed to do which is we wait until we’re really bad, we absolutely need a doctor or practitioner and then we go get help. And my advice, get help now. If you have symptoms and things are off, and this is something you’ve—you’ve trained me on so much. It’s like, “Evan, look, these issues are not gonna resolve themselves. You have to resolve issues now. They’re not just gonna magically disappear.” Did you wanna speak on that a little bit about people just waiting too long or people just not having enough reason so they think to get help?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, well, there was an interesting scenario just the recently. There was a plumber in my house a few months back and he was doing some work, and there was just like a leak on the faucet, and for some reason the leak went away the next day. So there were two plumbers there and he goes down and looks, and he couldn’t find the leak. And he goes, “Well, maybe it just went away,” and then his partner, the plumber next to him spoke up and said, “You know what? Leaks never go away on their own. If there’s a leak, it’s gonna get worse.” So he went down there and he looked, and he said, “Okay, well, we just need more flow and if you had more flow coming, it would start to leak.” And he looked a little deeper back and he found the leak and just the environment wasn’t quite right enough for the leak to be expressing itself but the whole idea was that these problems don’t ever tend to go away by themselves. So that was kind of the moral of the story and connecting it to your patient, let’s say if you have these symptoms, they’re gonna get worse and the question is, how long do you wanna wait until those symptoms, right? Pain, pay attention inside now—that’s what symptoms are—whether it’s aesthetic, whether it’s inflammatory, whether it’s mood or energy. How bad do they have to get before you start getting a—a fire under your butt so to speak.

Evan Brand:  Right. Well, and my grandparents, their old house, you know, they had issues with their plumbing and they had to wait until their entire basement was flooded and thousands and thousands of dollars’ worth of carpet and furniture was ruined due to the flood before they came in and got the issue. So maybe they saved, you know, a couple hundred bucks in the beginning, but then it cost them likely $10,000 or more in the long run because they waited until things just hit an absolute worst-case scenario. So you know, I know there’s a lot of people out there listening that are trying to fix themselves and you and I certainly applaud that. I mean that’s what this is all about, right? Taking your health into your own hands and us teaching you how to fish, but at a certain level, you really just have to reach out and—and don’t be afraid to get better and—and don’t be afraid. You know, we’re real people. We don’t bite and we’re here for you. That’s what this is for. The show is to inspire you and to help you, but there’s nothing that’s gonna replace a one-on-one, you know, with one of us because there’s so many courses and online things, and things that you can look into, but it’s not specialized and I’m against specialization if you only look at one person. But you know, something we’re gonna talk about today is functional medicine is a specialty but we’re breaking that down. We’re—we’re looking at someone. We’re casting a net wide enough to look at every body system, so that we’re gonna figure out what in the world going on with somebody.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%. And so the template for how we treat patients is pretty unique for—for us as functional medicine clinicians, right? There a lot of nutritionists out there that will primarily just focus on the diet piece. There are a lot of medical doctors out there that I find that will a lot of time skip the diet, maybe focus on more of the hormones and ignore the gut. You have other people that will only work on infections, whether it’s Lyme or a gut doctor. They’re only focused on the infections. So the question is, how do we become the general or the ultimate general practitioner, where we can pull the key issues from the infections, from the hormones, from the diet, from the lifestyle, from the digestive system, and combine them together and mesh it? So we put it all together in a way that is holistic, that represents the underlying cause from each person, because that underlying cause percentage-wise may be different for each, meaning one person that may be 60% diet, 30% infections, and 10% hormones, and others it may be 30% diet, 50% hormones, 20% gut. So you gotta look at it from the perspective of what piece may be the bigger player, and it may not be the same for each person. So we may not know, but if we hit them all in the order that we consider to be the order of priority, that’s gonna give us the highest chance of hitting all of those key issues and not missing them.

Evan Brand:  Right, and during the free calls, you and I block out just a few hours each month for free calls, which we’re always booked up for those and it’s a true honor to be able to offer that to people.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely.

Evan Brand:  A lot of people ask us, “Hey, Justin or hey, Evan, you know, can you just tell me right now what tests we’re gonna need to run.” And we can’t because that involves a case review, that involves looking at your history, looking at the fork in the road when did things get bad, how long have things gotten bad, what else was going on at that time in your life in terms of stress and travel and relationships and moving. You know, so there really is no one-size-fits-all program. Now there are similar tests that we run on nearly everyone, but at the end of the day, it’s so case-by-case and I know people wanna just get put into a box because it makes them feel comfortable. I mean, think of like Weight Watchers, right? You know, it’s a point system and you can buy their little hundred-calorie snack packs of pretzels. But that’s a horrible box to be in and you don’t wanna be confined there. So it—it’s a box of functional medicine but it’s a box without boundaries, too, because we never know what toolbox or toolkit we’re gonna need to reach into to pull something out specifically based on—on your symptoms.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%. So we wanted kinda get things dialed in, and we have like the pallet of our tests that we may choose from for body system one. That’s like the hormonal system and we break that up into ATF and ATM, adrenals, thyroid and female hormones for our female patients and then our ATM, adrenals, thyroid and male hormones. And depending on how deep we go is depending upon what kind of symptoms present themselves and how long the patient’s been sick. Typically, the longer someone’s been sick, it may be better to get more data so we can fine tune the plan better, more specific to what’s going on. If someone’s been maybe not feeling good for just a little bit of time, maybe only a few years or a few months, we may run less off the bat because we don’t need as much data. Typically, the low hanging fruit tend to work on people that aren’t as chronic. So that’s kind of a good rule of thumb. So our body system one test are gonna typically include high-quality adrenal tests. Well, and that depends. I know we’re going back and forth and testing, you know, the new Biohealth saliva test that’ll be out soon. We’ve been using the Dutch for a bit of time. We have been using the old Biohealth 201. I have lots of patients that come in with other subpar salivary hormone testing that—that come in. We also look at the DHEA sulfate, which is an adrenal marker of sex hormone precursors from the adrenals, DHEA sulfate. And then we’ll also add on female and male hormones to those tests, whether it’s female hormones, progesterone, estrogen, estrogen metabolites, the different kinds of estrogens, estradiol, estrone, estriol, whether we are looking at the DHEA metabolites like androstenedione or etiocholanolone. Those also get factored in, maybe even melatonin as well. So we’ll look at all these different metabolites on the hormone side and then depending on if they’re showing with thyroid symptoms, we may even run a thyroid blood test or we’re looking at all of the thyroid markers, TSH, T4 Free and Total, T3 Free and Total, reverse T3, T3 uptake, and thyroid antibodies. So those are kind of all of the hormonal tests that we may run. And we even have some different. We may even time it up on day 20 of a female cycle if they’re—if they’re menstruating to get a window into where their hormones are tapping out. We may even look at a full month long panel, testing hormones every other day for a full month, so we can get a window of ovulation and the ebb and flow of the hormones throughout the month, just to make sure it’s optimal for fertility.

Evan Brand:  Yup, well said. So body system one. I mean, this is the foundation, you know. You talk about these people that just focus on the gut and we’ve dealt with that. I mean a lot of times and I know you hear this just as much as me if not more, “Oh, I’ve already been to 10 specialists or 20 specialists or 20 doctors. They all think I’m crazy or they said it was just the gut. They gave me antibiotics.” If you don’t get the hormones aligned and checked out, you’re kinda wasting your time really because if you have cortisol issues, you’re likely gonna have leaky gut issues which is gonna leave you susceptible to infections. So it’s like if we come in and just hit the gut, which we’ll talk about in a minute, body system two, it’s not really worth it, right? Because if you get the infection gone, but the leaky gut’s still there due to the cortisol issues, I mean, that’s kind of a bigger top of the food chain issue, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100% and just backing up one bit, everything sits on a foundation. So the introductory foundation for everything is diet and lifestyle.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And we’ve talked about this before, but just to make sure we don’t miss it, the foundation is gonna be what you eat, when you eat, the quality of food that you eat, how you sleep, how you move, how you deal with stress, and hydration. So that’s gonna be a really important piece of the puzzle. Making sure we’re eating nutrient-dense, anti-inflammatory, low toxin foods. Making sure the diet is dialed in for you. Now what does that mean for you? Well, if you’re just a little bit sick, maybe you’re kinda in the middle, it’s not too bad, a Paleo template may be good to start with. Alright, no grains, no legumes, no dairy. If we’ve been sick for longer, maybe we have a history of autoimmunity in the family, or there may be known autoimmunity in yourself or known autoimmune symptoms, well, the next step may be an Autoimmune Paleo template where we go to the next step which is cutting out nuts, nightshades, and eggs. And then from there if there’s excessive gut issues, we may look at specific carbohydrate diet where we cut out salicylates and phenols and peel our vegetables and—and make sure everything’s well cooked and mash our foods. We may even look at a GAPS approach where we focus more on bone broth and soups and—and the same type SCD stuff, more in a liquid, palatable—a liquid, more palatable type of form. And we may even go to a low FODMAP diet where we cut out the fermentable carbohydrates–fermentable oligo-di-po—let’s see, fermentable oligo-di-mono and polysaccharides. So it’s your—your fermentable carbohydrates, your fermentable sugars. So we may add that piece onto it just to make sure that we’re taking as much stress off the body. We’re stabilizing blood sugar. We’re not adding toxins from the pesticides and chemicals and GMO and Roundup and—and the glyphosate and we’re stabilizing blood sugar. We’re not skipping meals and we’re making sure that we’re sleeping good at night and we’re hydrating appropriately in between meals or 10 minutes before, so we’re not diluting digestive enzymes and hydrochloric acid.

Evan Brand:  Well said and there’s a ton of overlap in all of those, too. I mean–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A ton.

Evan Brand:  You’re going to be omitting gluten. You’re gonna be omitting–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  Many of the dairy components, the inflammatory component, then you’re going to stay away from pesticides and chemicals. I had a guy the other day. He asked me. He said, “Well, I’m not sensitive to gluten. So do I still have to avoid it?” I said, “Absolutely.” There’s no deficiency of gluten ever and just because you don’t think you’re sensitive to it, some of your skin rashes and all that is probably caused from some type of food intolerance. You know, you don’t have to be doubled over in pain from eating a bagel to—to necess—you know, to necessarily have to stay away from it, right? You don’t have to be falling over, needing a morphine shot due to the pain from gluten if you—if you have anything, any symptom, headaches. I mean I had a lady who had migraines for 20 years and it was amazing how simple it was just to get the diet and the gut cleaned up and the migraines went way. So I think people expect massive, massive symptom sometimes to be caused from gluten and otherwise, they don’t wanna get rid of it but you should just get rid of it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, my thing with grains and gluten is if you’re gonna cheat and you’re gonna do grains, number one, the safest grain for most people tend to be white rice. So that’s tends to be an okay alternative if you’re gonna do a grain, if you’re gonna cheat. White rice tends to be okay. Even better, try doing the safer starch. You know, yucca, plantains, sweet potatoes, let’s see—I said plantains, yucca, sweet potatoes,  squash—those type of safer starches tend to be a better alternative for most. Go ahead.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, I was gonna say taro, too. Some people talk about that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Taro, arrowroot, yeah, and then also if you’re gonna—like let’s say you’re like, “I’m gonna do bread.” Well, sourdough bread has actually shown to have less gluten because of the fermentation process that gliadin protein tend to be more dissolved in the fermentation process. So if you’re gonna go get all glutened out, take a look at the good, better, best side of it, right? Good or best would be abstaining and doing zero grains. Good may be doing like white rice or better—sorry, better maybe doing like white rice or something that’s fully gluten-free. And then third would be, alright, fine. You’re gonna do a gluten bread, well, it’s gonna at least be fermented, i.e. sourdough bread. It’s fermented, so the gluten and the compounds in there that may be more allergenic are decreased. But the other things–

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That Evan and I still wanna touch upon are the lectins, are the phytates and the oxalates, the mineral disruptors, the protein disruptors, and the high amount of pesticide and Roundup that are on some of these products. So you can at least reduce it by going organic and by going the sourdough method so it’s at least fermented and soaked, so the grains are gonna be more palatable and not have the mineral and enzyme disruptors. But again, better, right? Good, better, best. Best is gonna be at least keeping the grains out. Good or better part is gonna be in between, going like a rice protein and then like, you know, good would be doing the fermented sourdough bread option like I just mentioned.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, and put it this way, it helps me sometimes to understand kind of the ancestral or the planetary perspective on this. These plants and these grains, they don’t want to get eaten–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, yeah.

Evan Brand:  And digested, right? I mean, they want to pass seed on through an animal and then it come out fully digest—or un—you know, undigested, fully undigested, so that that seed can go back into the ground and grow more grass or grain. I mean, that’s the goal with birds and humans, too, if it goes through and it’s not getting digested, the goal is for that seed to be intact enough to grow more plants, and they don’t wanna get eaten.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  So that—that’s enough reason there that—that makes sense and really help me. But like, “Oh, man. Wow. Okay.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And it’s pretty simple, right? You know, from evolution standpoints our role, I mean, it sounds crude is just to be able to pass on our—our seed to our offspring, right? That’s pretty much it. You know, be able to survive enough so you can procreate and pass on your DNA to your offspring. That’s pretty much it. Now there’s two ways of doing it. There’s having claws and weapons and tools and teeth, so you can prevent getting attacked on or preyed on, right? That’s like the wolf or the fox, or maybe us with our weapons as humans. And then there’s the, “Okay, I’m gonna get eaten, right?” Berries, grains, but there’s gonna be seeds and things that are gonna keep the seed and the DNA intact, so eventually maybe it will go back and be able to grow again and pass on its offspring so it can live again, right? So there’s two methods. It’s either you’re gonna fight now or you’re gonna basically submit but live the fight another day by passing itself back into the soil again so it can grow.

Evan Brand:  Yup, yup. Should we move on to body system two?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and then last piece that is the foundation with the diet, I’d say is also the emotions. So if there’s a lot of emotional stress, like there’s an active serious relationship issue. You know, not just like hey, you know, you had a fight here or there but you have active relationship problems. Maybe there’s an active divorce issue. Maybe you’re real problem with the child or a family member or maybe a death of a loved one or serious work stress, or stress at your church or where you go to—to have a spiritual connection, or you excessively exercise a ton, right? Those kind of things need to be looked at because they can provide a lot of stress underlying. So we wanna make sure there’s not an active emotional issue because it affects the timeline in which we expect healing to occur. If you’re actively going through a divorce or you’re having serious work issues, we may say hey, our goal is gonna be just to dig out feet in and prevent us from sliding downhill, and we may not be able to gain a whole bunch of ground going uphill.

Evan Brand:  Well said, yeah, and I’ll also mention the electromagnetic fields which I’ve done–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, yes.

Evan Brand:  Countless podcasts on. I had a lady the other day. She heard a podcast about EMF that—that was on the show and she bought a meter online and anything above 1 milligauss, a measure of magnetic field is bad, right? And this lady had 50 milligauss in her bedroom. And so she lives in San Francisco. She didn’t believe it. She called the power company as I told her to do and they came out and they measured, and sure enough, it was about 25 or 30 milligauss. So her meter was pretty inaccurate, but it was accurate enough to detect a problem that warranted further investigation. And even the power company was like, “Well, this is insanely high.” I mean, you’ll see some people that say anything above 3 milligauss of magnetic fields which comes from power lines is—is bad, but either way, 20, 50, that’s insane and so she’s moving immediately and she said she hadn’t slept well for months and kinda like my story that you and I chatted about when I had to move. I was measuring 7 milligauss in my office and I feel like I didn’t sleep. So I mean, that’s another cause of adrenal hormone issues that you and I are discussing and talking about with people because it’s—it’s an invisible smoke, right? If you had glasses that you could wear and see this stuff, everybody would freak out. But it’s invisible. And like my friend Eric Windheim says, “It’s like fighting a ghost.” So you have to measure this stuff and—and mitigate it, and there’s more. We won’t go into more detail today, but just check out EMF in the search bar on the website, and you’ll be able to find, you know, more episodes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely. So we addressed the foundational pieces, diet, lifestyle, emotional stress, meal timing, nutrient density–

Evan Brand:  Environmental.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Toxins from the chemical. Toxins are essentially—the electromagnetic toxins, right? That’s kinda in that toxin realm.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We hit that. We talked about the hormones, ATM, ATF. And then next step is gut function/gut infections. Now typically when we start out with the diet piece, depending on what’s happening symptomatically, if we see a lot of reflux, a lot of bloating, let’s say we have a history of vertical ridging in the nails or we see a lot of undigested food particulate or the stool looks grayer or the stool floats or we have poor hair quality or very dry skin, these are all symptoms that we’re not digesting our food optimally. So to support the diet piece, we may bring some of the digestive support up forward, and bring it into intro phase. What I mean is we may bring in some of the hydrochloric acid, some of the enzymes, some of the bitters, some of the digestive support to help stimulate digestion because we see that as supporting the intro phase. We’re working on digesting foods and making sure that piece is dialed in. So that may have to be brought up forward because it’s—it supports the foundation. That’s number one. Number two is we have to knock out the infections. So as we look at body system two, we really break it down into 5 steps. So number one is remove the bad foods. Number two is replace the enzymes and acids like I mentioned. So that’s the digestive support to make the intro diet piece work better. Number three is repair and repair means repairing the adrenals because we have to make sure that piece is there. because we don’t wanna work on really healing the gut, until we have the hormonal environment dialed in to help reduce inflammation and help heal the gut lining and help improve IgA levels, which is the localized immune system in the digestive tract. We also wanna make sure healing nutrients are present for people that have extra gut inflammation or extra gut irritation. Things like L-glutamine and the healing nutrients, the licorice root, deglycerized licorice root, maybe slippery elm, maybe cat’s claw, maybe some gentle amino acids like L-glutamine, and Jerusalem artichoke, etc. These are healing nutrients that help that gut lining. Number four is the removing of the infections and we’re able to remove the infections most adequately because of the 3 phases before it. Because of the removing the foods, the replacing the enzymes and acids, the repair in the gut lining and the adrenals, now we can come in and we can start working on removing the infections, and the infections are gonna be specific to the stool test we recommend to pick up the infection. So the H. pylori comes back or fungus comes back or various multiple parasites come back, those all need to be specifically addressed with unique protocols for each. And then number five is going to be the re-inoculation with robotics, really receding all of the good seeds after the weeding’s been done. And then number six is gonna be the retesting to make sure one, infections are cleared and two, there are no new infections as last podcast talked about, making sure there are no resistant infections that were burrowed in deeper that are showing their ugly head, and the only exception will be adding probiotics in the repair phase. Because sometimes probiotics can have an anti-inflammatory effect, and depending on how bad the gut is, we may add some probiotics in the ref—the repair phase as well as the reinoculation phase to help support gut healing and inflammation.

Evan Brand:  Well said. I wanna speak just for a minute and see if you wanna add anything to it about the topic of antibiotic use and infections. There’s a lot of hate on the Internet about herbal remedies for infections, you know, whether it’s an M.D. or a naturopath or someone. You know, getting in an argument about saying, “Oh, herbs don’t work. You have to use triple therapy or this antibiotic or this antifungal prescription.” And there’s very, very, very, very few cases where it takes us more than one or two rounds to get rid of an infection using just herbs, no prescription. So could you add something to that conversation, too? I would 95% of patients can address their gut function and their got infections with herbs alone. 5% of the time we may have resistant bugs that we’ve treated, re-test, still there. Treated, retest, still there. Treated, retest, still there. And it’s 2-3 times and we’re not able to knock it out. But I’ve had people go and on the third time, we knock it out. So the antibiotics may be an option for some people. The conventional antibiotics that are typically run like the metronidazole, the Flagyl, which are the most commonly prescribed ones for these infections tend to miss the infection about two-thirds of the time. And then a lot of times the antibiotics prescribed for your typical triple therapy for H. pylori like clarithromycin, amoxicillin, and/or omeprazole like Prilosec, acid-blocking medications, tend to do the same kind of thing. They’ll miss the infections a third half the time.

Evan Brand:  Well, what about this, too? What about creating more resistant strains due to the antibiotics that have been so overused? Which then makes our job a little bit tougher because people have gone through rounds and rounds of this crap and it’s done nothing.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly. That’s the problem is you run the risk of having these antibiotics not work in the time where maybe you really need them, like you get in a car accident or you step on a—a rusty nail or some, some kind of infection that’s more acute and more severe based on the exposure of the microbes. So I’m always about conservative to invasive, right? What’s the most conservative type of care off the bat? It’s always gonna be diet. It’s always gonna be lifestyle. It’s always gonna be using antimicrobial herbal medicines that have been around for literally thousands of years to have a strong safety profile, to have the ability to use them long-term without resistance–

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And also aren’t gonna wipe out a—as many other microbes, any other beneficial microbes the may be present that are helpful for your gut. We won’t wipe those out and create more problems. I can’t tell you how many patients I’ve seen that have been on antibiotics and had devastating side effects, and now we’re treating them from the damage caused by the antibiotics in the beginning. I’ve seen it so many times. Don’t see it with herbs though.

Evan Brand:  I know.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But I see all the time with antibiotics so I’m always very conservative and we go up in—in gradations on what step one is. Herbs. Step two. Herbs. Step three. Maybe herbs. And then if we’re still having issues, then we go and we lean towards the antibiotics, typically on step three most of the time.

Evan Brand:  Yup, yup. Well said. And just the fact that this has been used, the herbs that we’re talking about. They’re been used for thousands of years before antibiotics were invented. To me that says something about the success rate and the safety. So when people read concerns about herbs. A lot of times the concerns are unwarranted unless you’re talking about mixing herbs with pharmaceuticals, like you know, 5HTP and SSRIs and stuff like that. Yeah, you can get into trouble. But generally, there’s really nothing to be concerned about compared to the tens and if not hundreds of thousands of people dying due to medical error. That’s now the third leading cause of death. Did you know that? Medical error.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Wow.

Evan Brand:  So—so this—this is real. This isn’t something were just saying on our—on our high horse. You know, this is for real. Look at CDC death or medical top causes of death. You’ll see medical error and this is from the proper, you know, or this is the prescribed rather is what I meant to say, the prescribed dose of a medication is still causing third leading cause of death, is medical error.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I know. I know Barbara Starfield has her prized article in the Journal of the American Medical Association 2000, all on how much medications and surgical procedures done correctly, right? Hey, the surgery was a success but the patient died. Hey, the prescription was—was perfect according to what the patient’s symptomatology was, but the patient had an ulcer and died, right? Just like that happens with ibuprofen 19,000 times a year according to the New England Journal of Medicine. So we know there’s a risk with conventional treatments. So we wanna be as conservative as possible, so we don’t have to go to those type of higher risk procedures.

Evan Brand:  Agreed, agreed. Well said. So yeah, the infections are huge. I mean, Justin and I, we have more podcasts on that talking about our own history with infections. So not only are we in the trenches helping others remove them, but we’re doing it on ourselves, too. So this is—this is a huge piece and has been instrumental for me to get my—my weight back when I’ve lost, you know, 20 pounds of muscle from infections. So this is a real big deal in something that has to be addressed.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Correct, and I think the key thing, too, is we’re not anti-medication.

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We’re all about using the correct tool at the right time, but also weighing the pros and cons. Like if we’re, you know, we got our tool bag on or our toolbelt on, right? And we have all these different tools in our tool bag, alright? And we look at this screw and it’s the flathead groove in it, so we know I gotta pull my Phillips head out, right? I’m not gonna look at that screw and be like, “Screw this, my dog must not gonna allow me to use this flathead, throw it away and then try to pull it—the Phillips in there and try to work it.” So let’s say it’s a—a flathead groove, I’m not gonna look at flathead screwdriver and throw it away, and say, “I’m gonna try using a Phillips, right?” I’m gonna go and say, “Well, this is the right tool for it. So I’m gonna put it in and I’m gonna use the correct tool based on what’s presenting itself.” That’s like if you get in a car accident, we’re not gonna look at the patient and say, “Great! Let’s just throw you on some turmeric right now and call it a day.”

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No. We’re gonna say, “Go to the ER. Get the correct test to make sure there are no fractures, no bleeds, no hemorrhaging.” You may even want to be on some higher dose pain meds. You may want to avoid the opiate ones, right? Because of the addiction, but maybe some higher those pain meds acutely just because you’re in severe trauma and pain. And then we’ll get you stabilized and then we’ll get you on a really good routine after. So we look at the right routine. If we see that flathead groove, we’re reaching for the flathead screwdriver. We’re not reaching for the Phillips.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, absolutely. And if you break your arm, yeah, you don’t go take a dose of turmeric and fish oil. I mean, you need to get that checked out and make sure there’s no internal bleeding, etc., etc. So there’s no trophy for—for trying to be a hero and dismissing the acute, incredible trauma medicine that—that is offered. You know, it’s just the things we’re dealing with, their 1, 5, 10, 20, 30-year chronic issues and that’s where functional medicine tends to have far superior success rates. You know, 90+ percent success rates that you and I both have.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly, and some of the things that are talked about regarding antibiotics, and I’ll put some of the research in the show notes, but antibiotics can create oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction. That’s a big issue, so the mitochondria is gonna be the powerhouse of the cell which is gonna help generate ATP which is like the fuel currency for energy, and also creates oxidative stress which is just a way of breaking down your body, right? Oxidation, you leave a rusty nail in the rain, it gets all rust or you leave a nail out in the rain, it gets rusty because of that oxidation process. We have internal rusting. Doesn’t quite show itself like that, a brownish rust, but it happens—it happens internally and that creates a depletion of a lot of your antioxidant reserves. So your body has to use up more vitamin C, use up more vitamin E, use up more nutrients that would typically be used for other healthy functions. So oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction are a side effect of some of these antibiotics use. So we really want to make sure if we’re using them—excuse my frog on my throat—we wanna make sure they are used appropriately for the right situation.

Evan Brand:  Well said. Yeah, and I’ll briefly mention, typically for body system two, we’re gonna be looking at comprehensive stool testing. We’ve discussed that. So whether PCR-based testing or otherwise, and then also the organic acids testing. So you hear us talking, maybe it sounds fancy, mitochondrial issues, amino acid metabolite problems, etc. but we can see and I see it all the time. Vitamin C levels, very, very, very low across the board most time on organic acids which is a urine test that you do at home and then you send that back to the lab and then we go over the results and then stool testing, you’re gonna be able to find infections. You’re gonna go through the protocol and then you’re gonna retest and the infections are gonna be gone. So that’s—that’s it for body system two. Let’s go on to body system three, Justin. So detox, methylation, making sure that people are able to actually do things at the end of the line. Once everything has happened, once a good digestion has happened, you’ve absorbed your minerals, your colon’s helping to produce vitamins for energy, your probiotics are doing the things they should be doing, now it’s time to get the stuff out of the body. We’re hoping the liver is gonna be able to do what it can do. We’re hoping you’re pooping, right? I mean, people buy all these fancy detox powders and teas, but it’s like if you’re not pooping but once a week, that’s a huge issue. That’s a great way to detox, poop and pee. How simple and revolutionary is that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%. Poop, pee, breathing, and sweating. It’s like un—unreal. So looking at a lot of the detox things, certain nutrients are required to detox. So you can see why number three, why detox is put number three. Let’s just break that down so everyone can get the—understand the concept. Again in this show, we’re really committed to being able to teach concepts because if you get the concept, there’s zero memorization involved in it. Once you get the concept, it’s like riding a bike. You get back on—Boom! You never have to go to that learning curve of falling. So what’s the concept? So number one, if we’re poor foods and eating toxic foods, and foods that are nutritionally poor, what happens to detox? Automatically impaired.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? So why are we gonna work on detox off the bat? Because if we just get that first phase done, we’re starting to work on detox even though we’re not working on it directly, because it’s body system three, we already worked on it in the intro phase. Number one. Number two, we actually start breaking down the foods. That means we start breaking down the proteins into their smaller amino acid constituents and we know how important the sulfur based amino acids for operating phase 2 detoxification. Phase 2 is like the n-acetylation, hydroxylation, the glutathione production, the methylation, and we need methionine and we need cysteine and glutamine and glycine and taurine, and all these really important sulfur aminos, and if we can’t break down our protein constituents into those smaller products, you know? Ripping off the pearl necklace and pulling off the individual pearls, that’s what it’s akin to. If we can’t do that, we’re not gonna be able to run phase 2 and then frankly we need lots of antioxidants and B vitamins to run phase 1. So if we have SIBO or dysbiosis, well, our probiotic production internally from our gut bacteria is automatically forwarded or downregulated because we know good bacteria in our gut produces a lot of those nutrients for us, right? Good bacteria eats poop and poops nutrition, B vitamins, antioxidants, nutrients. Bad bacteria eats nutrition and poops poop. Bad bacteria makes you more toxic. So what is the more toxicity from the bad bacteria due to body system three? It decreases its function. So you can see how we lead up to diet and lifestyle. We lead up to digesting food. We lead up to healthy gut bacteria, knocking out infection, addressing the flora, because all of that sets the stage for body system three, so we can come in there and really support the nutrients that are missing, the pathways that aren’t working properly, and we can potentially even knockout specific heavy metals if we see heavy metals are in there with other types of chelators and compounds that pull the metals out. And some of the test we do—well, I’ll take a breath there, Evan. Any comments?

Evan Brand:  Yeah, I mean, well said. I wanted to mention this comes at the end because we want to make sure that everything else has been addressed upstream. I mean we’re not going to go straight to detox if we know that you have infections and we know that you’re still getting, let’s say artificial sweeteners in your diet which can be placing a burden on the liver, right? So we want to see the liver and your detoxification abilities, methylation, this includes anybody with like MTHFR genetic defects. This includes you, too. All that other stuff’s gotta be taken care of first because we want to see what the actual baseline is. Not the baseline when you are doing so much sugar and alcohol and bad fats and artificial sweeteners and all of that that’s got the burden on the liver. So once we get all that stuff out of the way, then we take a look at body system three. It’s the, “Oh, okay, so this is the true baseline,” and then yeah we can look for heavy metals, from dental fillings, amalgams, you know, bad food, bad water, too much tuna fish, other environmental exposures, and then we can start helping to get the detox system working better because if you’re not pooping well and you have an overburdened liver, you’re just gonna be recirculating all these toxins. So then you’re gonna get the joint pain and the allergies and the asthma, and the skin problems, the headaches, the brain fog, alcohol intolerance, I mean, we could go on and on but you gotta get all that other stuff taken care first, so if you go straight to detox or somebody tries to sell you on some detox protocol first when you don’t even know if you have leaky gut or not, I would be cautious and maybe you have more to say about that, but I don’t like the idea of pushing stuff out of people’s body if they don’t even have enough trash men to come gather all of the trash at the end of the road.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, 100%. So we have everything lead up to it and I think you emphasized the whole leaky gut part right because the leaky gut as you mentioned is really the consequence of all of the inflammation, the inability to break down food, the compromised immune system, and then the infections. All of that will lead to leaky gut. So leaky gut isn’t necessarily a result. It’s more of an effect of all of the inflammation and the damage.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? The gluten, the bad foods, all of the inflammation. So that’s kind of the end product that you get there is leaky gut. So looking at everything that you mentioned. How do we quantify it? Because you put some really good points out there. How do we actually know what’s going on from the detoxification side? Well, we’ll look at an organic acid test. Typically as a good starting point because we’ll get a window into various detoxification pathways, whether it’s pyroglutamate or other types of organic acids, sulfate—these are organic acids that will give us a window into how those sulfur aminos are doing. If the demand for them is higher or if they’re depleted. And we’ll also get a window into B vitamin status. We’ll get a window into methylation and we’ll also get a window into oxidative stress by looking at the 8-hydroxy 2-deoxyguanosine for instance. Again, these are all like jeopardy words but these are organic acids that give us a window into all these systems, whether it’s simply xanthorrhoea for B6, whether it’s the amino acids for the brain with vanilmandelate or homovanilate or 5-hydroxyindoleacetate or whether it’s markers for gut bacteria like hippurate or benzoate. So these—these markers give us a big window into what’s happening and the organics can really help tell us what’s happening there from some of those detox nutrients, and we may even look at like a SpectraCell or a NutrEval as well. Again, I lean more towards the organics because that’s my baby.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The NutrEval combines the organics with another blood test for nutrients, too. So that’s a—another side option which at least does contain the organics and that gives us a good window into what’s happening but we always go back to intro, body system one, hormones, ATF, ATM; body system two, the ability to digest, removing food allergens, healing the leaky gut, repairing the gut lining, removing infections, adding in probiotics, and retesting because we gotta make sure new infections aren’t there and the old ones are gone. Number—body system three is gonna be detox nutrients and that’s typically where we follow suit, and we reserve the right to kinda move some things in. Like if I know someone has a ton of oxidative stress, I may throw some extra vitamin C that we may discover on an organics test, I may throw it in with the adrenal protocol. So we do things and we mix-and-match outside of that box a bit, so if any patients are listening, they may think, “Well, Dr. J gave me some detox support in body system one,” and that’s gonna be dependent upon how that person’s presenting, how sensitive they are, and how bad their detox is. We may add some small things in with body system one, because maybe the adrenal support is too much for their liver, and we need to give their liver just a little bit of support so they don’t have a lot of those hormone side effects.

Evan Brand:  Totally, well said. I’m gonna mention two things and then we can wrap it up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Cool.

Evan Brand:  One for me on the organics, which I just love is the quinolinic 5-HIAA ratio–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  Looking at inflammation because you could go on and on and sound fancy, but when someone sees inflammation and you’re like, “Look, here it is.” It’s like, “Oh, crap.” Because inflammation, you know, even a conventional physician is gonna talk about inflammation as a cause of disease, right? And so when we can actually prove that to a client or a patient, it’s incredible and it’s very profound to be able to do that and then whether it’s 3, 4, 6 months later when the retest comes, and you can see that that number’s gone down, it’s very, very rewarding for both of us, and lastly, the toxin piece, too, something that Justin and I have been talking about a lot and—and I’m running on—I’m running this test on nearly everyone I possibly can–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  Including myself is the GPL-TOX so I can look at the toxic load because I bought a sauna based on my toxic load of insecticides, and this is not a challenge or a push test so even the sickest people, we don’t have to worry about doing any type of chelation which may push some stuff out. You just urinate in—in the morning in a cup and you send it off. And the cool thing is you can run it side-by-side with the organics, so it’s literally the same urine sample. All you have to do is spend a little bit extra investment to get both test run organics and GPL-TOX at the same time, and I had insecticide levels in my body that are known carcinogens that were higher than they should be. And so for me, this is a huge, huge, huge new realm of opening up this. Look, we know there’s detox problems. Let’s fix it, but what are we actually fixing. You know, that had always been the question, right? Ooh, there’s detox problems. Man, you got headaches. You got chemical sensitivity. You can’t handle perfumes, gas fumes. Look, here’s why. And oh, man, is there anything more fun in the world than this? I mean, I—I don’t think so.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I agree. I mean, it’s like we’re CSI detectives without all the—the murder and blood, right?

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We’re trying to put together the—the puzzle piece that’s really getting people’s quality of life back. So just summarizing those tests. We run the organics test. We run maybe the OAT, which is the—the Great Plains Lab organics. We run the GPL-TOX. We may run the NutrEval, the SpectraCell and then we have the heavy metal challenge test where we challenge, with a chelation compound, like DMPS or DMSA or EDTA to get a window into the toxic burden of metals because metals don’t want to stay in systemic circulation. They don’t wanna stay in the blood. They only go on the blood acutely in that first 24 to 48 hours, then they go into the tissue.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Whether it’s the brain or the individual tissues or even bones when it comes to lead. So we gotta get a window into it so we have to do a challenge, a provocation agent that can go in into the tissues and really kinda pull things out. It’s like, “Hey, you go outside. You look for bees. There may not bees swarming around, but if there’s a beehive there, well provocation agent’s throw rock into the beehive, right?” You know those bees are in that beehive when those—when that rock hits it and those bees come out, that’s the provocation agents. So we use that same kind of methodology with the heavy metal test. The rock is like the chelation compound that we use to see what’s coming out in the urine and a lot of times we see aluminum, we see arsenic, we see cadmium, and we see a whole bunch of mercury and lead, and it’s different for each person.

Evan Brand:  Yup, absolutely, and then you got blood metals, too. Quicksilver’s Blood Metals is cool.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand: There’s the Mercury Tri Test, too, for hair, blood, urine. There’s so many different things out there. A lot of them are good. A couple of them are bad, but you know, we’ll help you to make the distinction what is right for you and this is case-by-case. Some people they may not need to investigate metals. Other people they’ll come to us and they’ll say, “Evan or Justin, man, I got metal problems.” And they just have a gut feeling and in those cases, I say, “Okay, cool. Let’s get you checked out.“ It’s not gonna hurt. It can only help you to investigate. So if you have a gut feeling and that gut feeling can be disrupted obviously if you have got problems, right? Because the inflammation in the gut, you might be getting mixed signals, but if you have a gut feeling, ask us, and let us help you to investigative. If it’s something we didn’t bring up yet or maybe it’s early in the game and we wanted to do it later, just bring it up because you never know. You could be onto something that we just haven’t got to yet and that may save us, you know, a month or two of—of time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely. And again, we’ll the show notes for everything, the full transcription, again in my new Thyroid Book that will be coming out very soon, just putting the finishing touches on it, we’re gonna have a chapter in the book all on this type of discussion, putting it all together because I feel like this is probably one of the key pieces that most functional medicine practitioners and doctors really, it—it’s very esoteric. It’s kind of in the ether. Like how does it all look?

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Like what does the whole plan look like? And it just kinda like, you feel like almost like they’re making it up as they go and I think is really important if you’re gonna hou—you know, you’re gonna hike Mt. Everest so to speak, I wanna see that map. I want to know how we’re gonna go up there. I wanna know how we’re navigate that crevice and—and get across that—that ledge or that cliff. I wanna kinda feel like it makes sense when we get directions. So I think that’s a really important piece that we’re adding, is that clarity and that, you know, what’s our fu—future pacing vision? How are we getting to the top?

Evan Brand:  Yup, amen.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Anything you wanna add there, Evan?

Evan Brand:  I don’t think so. I think this was great and fun as always, real honor. If people want to schedule, go to justinhealth, J-U-S-T-I-N, Justinhealth.com to schedule with Justin. If you want to schedule with myself, go to notjustpaleo.com and like I said, we both block out a few hours, so you know, if there’s a spot available, you wanna grab it for the 15-minute free call. See if we’re a good fit, you know, discuss your options together. Justin and I are happy to do that and we look forward to helping you all out. You know, listening to this is one thing. Getting in the trenches with us is another, and I mean without functional medicine, I would likely still be dealing with depression and irritable bowel syndrome and skin issues and fatigue and insomnia and adrenal problems. I mean, every aspect, everything that could’ve gone wrong was wrong in my body systems and just one by one, plucking these things off the list, and there’s never a finish line, right? I mean it’s always a continual journey. So you’re just always pushing to the next step ahead and this is your time. You know, you don’t have to suffer.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Love it. I appreciate the hope and the inspiration, Evan.

Evan Brand:  Yes, sir.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Great chat. Great chat. Look forward to chatting with you very soon.

Evan Brand:  You, too. Take care.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Have an awesome day!

Evan Brand:  You, too. Bye.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bye.

Elise Carr – Getting in touch with your sexuality – podcast #114

Dr. Justin Marchegiani has a special guest today from Australia and she’s no other than Elise Carr where they discuss about holistic health and wellness. After having experienced a health challenge, Elise shares with us her journey on how she got to where she’s at now.

Elise CarrGet an overview of why there should be a need to connect with our sacred sexual and sacred spiritual selves and discover what Tantra really is about. Find out why breathing consciously is essential and how you can practice it properly. Learn about masculine and feminine energy balance when you listen to this podcast interview.

In this episode, topics include:

01:16   Past and present lifestyle

14:11   Tantra

19:24   Breathing

24:12   Masculine and feminine energy balance

32:15   Scheduling time

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Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hey there, it’s Dr. J! Welcome back to Beyond Wellness Radio. Today we get a great guest, Elise Carr, from down under, right? Over in Australia.

Elise Carr:  That is right Dr. J! Is a pleasure to be here. Thank you very much for having me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I love it. I love how technology. We’re—we’re so close here. This is great.

Elise Carr:  It is, isn’t it? We gotta be grateful for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Very cool, and I’ll just drop your site for anyone interested at kind of checking your info out, as your—as the interview goes—www.stellamuse.com. So really interesting stuff on there, really interesting information, and we’re gonna just kinda go over a couple of—the few key things that we talked about in our—our pre-interview. So I’m really excited to dig in.

Elise Carr:  Yeah, for sure, and yeah, absolutely. Stella Muse is a great website and plenty of free videos and—and info that we’re having a look at, you know, after we have a chat as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Very cool. Well, tell me a little bit about yourself at least. How did you get into the health field. I know you do a lot of coaching with clients and patients so to speak. What are some the big issues that, you know, your patients that you see every day are—are dealing with? And how did you get into the field?

Elise Carr:  Yeah, great questions. I was definitely brought up in a very holistic way, so health and wellness and well-being and having a really strong connection to looking after yourself and the way you live your life, has been a part of my life since I can remember. So that’s probably a gift from—from my upbringing right there. But it was also in understanding that I had a choice as well. And when I didn’t make great choices like you know, not that I was ever, to be honest, everyone into the drugs, rock ‘n roll kind of partying phase, didn’t go there. But I had a really strong I guess view of that world because I came from the modeling industry.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  So I—I saw what it could be like when you made choices for yourself that really weren’t honoring your body temple, your life, anything to make you feel–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  Stronger, healthier, really actually connected to yourself and—and the earth and all of the above. So that was great in that sense. So when I say how I got into this, I came from a very different background. I actually originally studied journalism and Public Relations. I was working those fields whilst modeling internationally and doing freelance journalism. It was really being a part of this world whilst wanting to live a very holistic lifestyle that I found that these weren’t marrying up. It wasn’t really in sync. And—and I wasn’t able to be the person that I really want to be and—and serve the way I wanted to serve, so I eventually through different life circumstances merged into going back and starting my masters in Communications and Cultural Politics and Women’s Studies, and that was the catalyst for me to then pull back from the whole journalism pay on world and—and then instead go into studying coaching and get my Reiki masters and go and study more esoteric work and healing—healing work and from there, go and expand and learn and become certified as a Tantra practitioner and kind of gathered this interesting eclectic bag of tools to then create Stella Muse and offer this as an entire holistic yes, but also an empowering platform and—and space to be able to serve people in the way that I feel you I’m here to serve. So it’s kind of like a calling like–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Many of us are saving different ways.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  It’s not that I ever expected I’d be doing is. I thought I’d be a psychologist or a lawyer, you know? But those shoes didn’t fit. So–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  I’m very fortunate to be where I am now. I feel and having created Stella Muse and—and get to offer a service that I feel can—can enrich their lives and yes, connect them to a—a space of–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Absolutely wellness and—and holistic lifestyle, as much as empowering who they are and why they’re here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So it’s really interesting that you are a model first, and then you kinda transitioned over to the health field. Looking back, how difficult was it or—or maybe you didn’t even have that awareness back when you were modeling to–

Elise Carr:   Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Practice a healthy lifestyle, meaning eating, you know, a nutrient-rich, nutrient dense diet.

Elise Carr:   Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Not having to wor—worry about counting every calorie and also not having to worry about getting excessive movement to burn those calories up. What was that like for you? What was the pressures like?

Elise Carr:  Sure, well, I guess, I’m in my early 30s now and I started modeling at the age of seven.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Wow.

Elise Carr:  And that was by choice. I was never pushed into.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  I had a very supportive mum that said, “What would you like to do?” You know like as—as an afterschool activity and she listed many things. Karate was one of those or Taekwondo and—and modeling was in the mix. So I chose–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  I—I always chose this, and to be honest I still am in the modeling world now. I just choose very different jobs to accept and—and weave it in with my work. So as I mentioned, holistic life, eating nourishing foods, knowing I need sleep, not choosing to take drugs, not choosing to drink alcohol, all those things were so they’re already ingrained in me. So when I was going into my thing in early 20s and started working internationally, I already had a very strong ethos and—and a pretty strong belief in self and this was tested time and time again, mind you, but what I found—what was one of my crossroads for me is that it wasn’t necessarily the wellness in the sense of exercise. I was very dedicated to exercise. I looked after my body temple in that regard.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Food-wise, I did the best with my capacity at the time. We can always improve.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  There’s always room for—for trying different things. Really when I can like narrow in, I think what I was missing was good fats to be honest.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Because the fat thing was like, “Oh, you can’t have fat.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  You know? But now I’m like, “Oh, my gosh. Give me the organic olive oil. Give me the avocados. Give me the nuts.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  So there was a misconception. So there was probably a lack of awareness there, but other than that, for me living in that world, what I was actually missing was probably vitamin L, which was love.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  When you’re living that lifestyle away from your family and friends and my beloved at the time, my—my partner, that was what was suffering. My soul was being undernourished. My—even my emotional intelligence and my intellect was hungry for something else, so that’s why I say, when we look at holistic health, it is the whole spectrum. And while I may have been eating to the best of my ability and looking after myself and—and not eating things that were gonna be the detriment of my health, and exercising very well and doing my best to plate—you know, how—how much you can fastest to playto when you’re working crazy hours and you know that being a doctor.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Crazy hours, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  But it was those other elements, the vitamin L as I mentioned and—and those are the connections that that made me actually quite unwell and I came back from one of my international stints with a cyst on my ovary that ruptured and my heart actually–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, wow.

Elise Carr:  Flatlined for a time so–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Wow.

Elise Carr:  But interestingly enough, the cardiologist says you’re disgustingly healthy because every time my heart start again on it’s own. It was just the toxins from that cyst that went through my body that caused me to kinda have many kinda shutdowns, while it could do it’s best to help itself, and when I look back and—and apparently my—my insides, all my beautiful organs are textbook perfect. So the irony was like, if I’m actually “healthy”–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  What was my body shutting down for? And I—and I can’t say anything else. No other doctor and I spent years seeing many specialists, like the top specialist in all these different fields who could not give me any other answer. So I had to realize I had to take the power back myself and—and I realized that really the end of the day I was missing soul, spirit, love, heart–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  All those kind of things. We cannot function without it. We can’t. So I had to change my life in a big way and start nourishing those sides of me at the same time as yes, absolutely, still enriching my—my food choices and my exercise is still a massive part of my life, but you cannot discount the other factors.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.  So—so interesting you mentioned about the fat part because I think that’s something–

Elise Carr:  Mmm…

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A lot of people intuitively say well, you know, the fat you eat’s the fat you wear, but we kinda know it’s fat’s really important for our cells and lipid bilayers and our hormones and our brain health and our neurology, and just kinda–

Elise Carr:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Looking at what your friends were doing in that industry, knowing what you know now, what kind of pressure–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Was there? What was everyone else doing from a lifestyle perspective? Were you living a healthier lifestyle the most? And others were kinda off? What was your perspective?

Elise Carr:  For me I guess it was that I was living a different—

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Different lifestyle. It was just different–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Choices and–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  We all have our own paths and some people–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Wanted to live in the now, in the moment, and it was just the next quick fix, however that looked.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  That might be buying, you know, the latest outfit and let’s—let’s be real here, maybe we’ll start with the consumerism, whether in the modeling industry or not. So it was that side of things, there was the, I wanna, you know, party so there was the drugs and there was the drinking. You know, there was the, I hadn’t had a meal today, so I’m just gonna grab fast food or I’m not going to eat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  I’m gonna have coffee. There—there are all these different choices which, yes, we know are common in—in an industry like modeling or dancing or whatever it is. But this can happen in—in any walk of life. So yeah, I saw this. I also saw others–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Who were addicted to the gym.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  We see this in every walk of life as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  I never even considered counting calories. If someone said how many calories are in, you know, raw vegan chocolate, my favorite prize, or a stick of carrot, I would have no clue. It was never the same—that came into my mind. I did you know, weigh myself at that stage and I had an expectation of where I wanted to sit which felt healthy for me, but I never felt under extreme scrutiny or pressure–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  To have to in that moment lose 2 kilos or something absurd like that, and I would never capitulate to that. I had a very, very strong sense of self which as I said got tested all over and over again, but I still didn’t wanna be something I wasn’t, even though you’re pressured. I didn’t—I didn’t let that overtake me. I don’t feel.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm. So after you developed the health challenge, the health scare with the ovarian cyst and you had the flatlining–

Elise Carr:  Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  What happened next? How did you overcome that health challenge?

Elise Carr:  Well, I had to have a bit of time off.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  I wasn’t really—I wasn’t able to drive a car, let alone walk properly or wash my own hair like my body was in serious, just exhaustion. So I was back in Australia at this time, and I—I wasn’t able to do hardly anything. My relationship broke down. I wasn’t, you know, being a journalist. I wasn’t being a model. All the facets of me, what I thought were me, were taken away, and so I was really only left with what I really am. You know? Nothing that you can fix or do. You’re not your title. You’re not your job. You’re not what you have. We need to understand this and this was my big wake-up. It was a massive, massive AHA! moment for me and it was in that time that I then spoke to my auntie, who lives in the UK, and because this was before social media, the way I used to communicate with my family when I was away was writing epic emails, and that’s—I’d be sharing what’s going on with this show and this experience and where I’m at, and what it’s like living in Asia at the time. And she said, “Why don’t you take these emails and write a fat book?” As she termed it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  And I was like, I never consider doing that. And that was me shifting my path from then instead of writing articles. I started writing a book and now 10 years later, you know, this book is in discussion with another agent to get it—to get it published. It’s been a bit of a rocky road to find the right fit. But it’s definitely–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Is there a name for it yet?

Elise Carr:  Yes, it’s called Runway, and there’s a—there’s a page on my book–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, cool.

Elise Carr:  You can sign up to hear about the publishing when that gets finalized and—and now I’m writing my second book on women’s sexuality called Yoni Power, and it—it just shifted my life and it was from there that I then chose to go back and do my masters and—and follow on with all my other training and certification and studies and—and life experience. It just—it changed my life, and I—I didn’t choose then to—to want to model full-time ever again. Because as much as I loved being part of that world, I wasn’t of that world.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, got it.

Elise Carr:  And I had to be real that that. I had to be real. I knew if I—you know, went—and I did. I moved to Paris. I went there but I didn’t—I didn’t push to try and get on the runways. I did work during Fashion Week over there but it wasn’t—it wasn’t enough and so I found an editor and got my book on the road, and I was painting and I was writing more, and I was just immersing in this place I always wanted to be but I didn’t—didn’t pound the pavement and—and you know, storm around forcing this—this career, I suppose, that did not resonate with my heart and soul unfortunately, as much as you know, there’s beautiful elements in the industry. On its own, it wasn’t enough for me.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Got it. So you’ve taken all your experiences as a—a model and then kind of a transformation with your health challenges and then you have incorporated a lot with—with Tantra and—and various female sexuality and you’re incorporating that with the clients you’re working to—with today. Is that correct?

Elise Carr:  Absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So how does that look?

Elise Carr:  Absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  If I’m—I’m someone coming in, who’s the average person or average patient or client you’re working with, and what are their issues?

Elise Carr:  No one’s average. I definitely have, you know, like I’m sure you do—there’s a massive mixed bag of tricks.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  We’re all very individual, although yes, you’re right. There are many similarities. I work mainly with women but I have more and more men, and I have more and more couples as well that I work with.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  And—and this is from the empowerment coaching, so looking at that whole holistic perspective and then weaving in elements of—of Tantra to get a strong connection with your sacred sexual and sacred spiritual selves essentially to raise your consciousness, have a deeper connection with who you are, deeper connection into the intimacy with your beloved, deeper connection with all that is. So there’s always kind of side, you know, elements and then also more of my healing work as—as a Reiki master doing more energetic and—and esoteric work. So there’s that kinda thing as well , but I can weave all of that into the coaching and mainly the people that come to me are at a crossroads and this crossroads is often that they are now at a point in life where they realize they don’t choose to live like this anymore, and whether that is changing their profession from being in, you know, a—a very demanding corporate job and leading that lifestyle where they are lacking substance, kind of like what I experienced, but the other way around. But that disconnection from soul, that disconnection from spirit, that disconnection from their purpose and wanting to transition into a—a service role that they really deeply connect with. There’s that side of things. There’s all these where it’s the relationship side of things where they are feeling a disconnect from themselves. They disconnect from the sexual power. They disconnect from their body. They disconnect from their heart. And then whether they are in a relationship are not, they usually are feeling that disconnect with their partner if they are in a relationship.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  So they kind of–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So looking at a lot—Uh-hmm, go ahead.

Elise Carr:  Just because they’re—in answer to your question, they’re kind of, you know, common streams I guess that connect many of the clients that I work with.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So I’m just trying to get a good visualization because we do similar things with, you know, the—the coaching side, right? You’re getting people’s diet and lifestyle, and kinda core fundamental things kinda dialed in, what you’re eating, sleeping, movement, hydration, those kind of things, and then you’re building on top.

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You’re putting a lot of focus on the sexuality aspect which is something I don’t really touch upon too much outside of, you know, making sure relationships are—are relatively healthy or referring out for good support.

Elise Carr:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But you do a lot with the Tantra—

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Tantra part of it which a lot of people listening probably know that to be something about sexual positions and such. Can you go more into–

Elise Carr:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  What that is and then how do you—do you—how does that work? Are you giving people a prescription for certain things to do at night? How does that look?

Elise Carr:  Sure. Well, just—just to put out there–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  First and foremost, all the Tantra with the patients is fully clothed. There’s no genital touch.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  They can be misconstrued or misunderstanding if that–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Got it, okay.

Elise Carr:  It’s—it’s in a very safe space.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  And I have a personal practice as well, so it’s really fundamentally about building a connection with yourself and then if you’re in a relationship or want to create that with a future partner, building that with your partner, a lot of this resides in getting rid of trauma.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  We carry an incredible amount of trauma within ourselves and—and like you’re probably aware. You know, everything is energy. We know this from a science space. We have memories in our minds, but we also have muscle memory, right?  Now let’s say we tear muscle, that muscle is—is going to remember that experience, right? Even though it heals. So we also have the memory. I work on energetic levels. So we are gonna get a little bit metaphysical here, but instead of just the physical, instead of even just the emotional, we are looking at the energetic side of things and realizing that you may have had a traumatic experience when you’re a young man or someone’s a young woman, and they have held onto them. And we hold onto that in different parts of our bodies and I work with different energy centers. Some people know the—the term chakra–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  They’re just energy centers in the body.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Wheel.

Elise Carr:  We have seven of them.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Exactly. An energy wheel. We have seven of them internally and they connect to different elements of us. One of the biggest things I see is many people holding a lot of trauma in their second energy wheel.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  And this connects to the sex organs.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  So this trauma often connects to sex and sexuality. It also connects to money, power, and creativity. So if you’re not getting flow in those areas, they may likely be a trauma that you haven’t dealt with; release works through confronted, forgiven, and got your power back to get yourself in the present. We live so often in the past and so often in a future that we’re not really empowered in the present moment. So all this may seem like a very long path to get to your true potential, to empower you, for you to connect with your sexual energy, for you to able to express yourself and feel into your essential nature as an individual, let alone in a couple. We need clear that trauma. So I do a lot of work, you know, excavating these spaces and clearing them so that we can start rebalancing where we’re at in the here and now. And a lot of that to be honest works with forgiveness because–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  As humans it does not come naturally to forgive. We love to hold on to things like a bag of–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Hot coals and the reality is we’re when doing ourselves an injustice. We’re not helping ourselves because that person who, you know, abused you, neglected you, abandoned you, whatever it was and I am not saying that horrible things don’t happen and that’s, you know, these are being excused—not by any means—but I’m talking here on an energetic level. I’m talking here like it’s a mystical act to be able to forgive their soul, so that you can be released. You’re not necessarily going to have to forget that that happened and you don’t want to forget because it means then you will learn in the future not to make those same choices perhaps, and not to be in that same position perhaps. But we need to understand that we have the power, you have the power, I have the power to make those choices for our own lives to change where we’re at, and this is about the empowerment work that I do that weaved into the—to the Tantra. Because we give a lot of our power away. We give a lot of our sexual power away. You know, we say Yes–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  We wanna say No. We gotta strengthen our boundaries. So while Tantra is yes, sexuality and spirituality, there’s a lot of foundational work there that covers our entire life. And this is why to me Tantra is a lifestyle. We’re weaving together that sacral sexual and spirit to—to awaken our consciousness and by awakening our consciousness we—we’re making wiser choices.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So when you look at–

Elise Carr:  We’re empowering ourselves.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right, so when you look at your—these clients, they’re coming in, whatever type of health issues you have, whether it’s on the health side, whether it’s their past trauma, you’re looking at that and from there, you’re kind of creating a prescription on the—the Tantra side of specific positions to help kinda reawaken these various chakras. Is that what I’m hearing?

Elise Carr:  I can do chakra rebalancing, absolutely, that’s part of it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  It’s very much case-sensitive. Often I will say mainly for women, some men if they are open to it, to do a guided chakra regression.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  It’s kind of like a semi-version of hypnosis of sort, but you have to be really active in the mind or your body is calm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  So if there are any yogis listening, it’s kinda of like Yoga nidra.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  It’s like you’re in a beautiful deep relaxation, but your mind is switched on and can do the work while your body is totally chilled out loving it. This kind of work is purely guided by my voice, so I will guide them back into their low-energy wheels to essentially bring up, confront whatever’s been housed there, and yeah, it’s in the form of memories. It’s not in the sense essential to relive it, to just purely bring up the past. That’s not the point. The point is that it’s there. You’re holding onto it. It is not serving you. We need to confront it. You need to get your power back and you need to forgive that person, that experience, whatever it is to di—like disconnect, detach from that, let it go and move on so we can clear that out and move up, and move you into the present. So that’s one element and that’s obviously my healing modality, but that is one simple practice that I can do with—and I do with clients all around the world via Skype to then have them in a clearer space, to be able to do, let’s say, the Tantric work, and you know–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  A prescription of such, you know, learning how to breathe is one of the found—like foundational techniques that I will teach someone on the Tantric path because we don’t breathe properly. We shallow breathe all the time and breath is one of the most important key parts to not only our survival, but then yes, our sexual empowerment. You can change your whole sexual experience when you start working with breath which sounds crazy, but once you learn it, it will change how you approach that and I’ve got free videos that I can share with you, Dr J, if you wanna–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Share them with your listeners as well to get them–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  On that track if they are curious.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That’d be great. Yeah, I see a lot of people that are in that sympathetic Fight or Flight nervous system state.

Elise Carr:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? Kinda the adrenals–

Elise Carr:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Are being whipped so to speak. They’re really breathing from their chest which, you know, really actually further puts them into that sympathetic adrenal state because if they drif—if they breathe from their chest, right?

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  They’re activating a lot of these neck muscles which puts him into this forward head posture which then actually decreases the airflow, so then they have less oxygen going in and, you know, less airflow going to the nose and the na—the nasal sinuses is what actually activates the parasympathetics through breathing. So instead of this deep belly breath, where they are moving their—their belly as they breathe. They’re breathing from their neck.

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  They’re breathing from their chest and they’re activating that Fight or Flight nervous system. Are you finding something similar with your clients?

Elise Carr:  Yes. And—and obviously, I mean that may sound extreme for some people because they don’t realize how interconnected we are. The human body is just phenomenal. So I’m so pleased to you explained like that. It’s really important to have a good understanding of the effect of not breathing correctly, and—and to get an understanding of what breathing correctly looks like, watch a baby breathe or watch, you know, your pet like a cat or a dog and see that full belly expansion, and then the collapse of the belly as it draws—the belly button draws back towards the spine. This is what we are talking about here, and that’s the way, yeah, we slow down. You know, the Fight or Flight. We slow down the parasympathetic–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  Nervous system. That’s normally on edge and it’s that, you know, that heart kind of palpitation almost, that kind of flighty energy that is literally sucking our power away, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  So it’s—it’s the way we choose to breathe on si—one simple thing. If you don’t take anything else from this conversation we’re having for these lovely listeners, it’s looking at how you’re breathing right now. Right now in this very moment where you’re driving in the car. You can do it whether you’re walking with, you know, a podcast going rounds. The streets, anywhere, you can actually slow down and—and I encourage clients to do this first thing in their morning. You know, in the morning when they’re laying in bed, even put one hand on the belly and one hand on the heart, and have this connection. Have this connection with yourself and then to do it throughout the day whenever they feel a bit anxious or nervous or angry, overwhelmed, whatever it is, and then last thing at night. Bring yourself back to this point also helps with the reconnection to yourself, and that is so important because we are so disconnected, even though like we are talking across the world right now, we’re so connected technologically. But we’re so disconnected emotionally, spiritually, energetically, and–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  And this is what’s so important. This is what we’re missing in this day and age, and there is no—there’s no wonder drug. There’s no Band-Aid. There’s—there’s no, you know, remedy for that. We—we really need to—to just own it and understand that, you know, the power’s with me. I have to make some more conscious choices. So let’s start with my breath.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I think that’s great and with patients you’ve kind of alluded to it, one hand on the heart, one hand on the belly–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And what I tell my patients is very simple. The hand—the hand that’s in the belly is the one that should be moving and the one over the heart really shouldn’t be moving much. It should be primarily coming from that bottom hand on the belly which really tells me that your breathing from the diaphragm and you’re having those really good big diaphragmatic breaths, into the nose, out through the nose or into the nose, out to the mouth to really–

Elise Carr:   Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Get the parasympathetics going, and I also recommend doing that to like one of the M waves. Familiar with the Heart Math Institute? They have like–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The M wave that kinda helps get you into coherence which is looking at heart rate variability and its timing and synchronizing the breath in and out to get you into that state of coherence where the brain and the heart are neurologically kind of communicating at its peak.

Elise Carr:  Yeah, and the interesting thing, I’m not sure if you come from this school of thought, but I certainly believe that while we’ve obviously got our—our normal brain, you know, the heart and also like the digestive system, like you know that lower hand where it’s gonna be, they are also kind of like main brains as well. So we want those three kind of brain of sorts to be functioning and talking and in harmony together.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  To me that’s so important and—and while the hand on your heart may not be moving and we definitely don’t want this to be moving as much as that–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Belly hand, we want you to be at even connect with your heartbeat.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Start to feel that. Start to slow down enough, to be present enough to just relax into the moment and know that you are doing something wonderful by just being. This thing that I do a lot of work with is is the doing and the being. And I break this up–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Into like the masculine doing and the feminine being, because we do a lot of energy work. As I’ve already touched on my Tantra, and we talk about Shakthi and Shiva, like the god and the goddess.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  The two parts, like the Yin and the Yang.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  I’m sure we’ve all seen that, you know where it’s like–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  The black kind of little blob that’s actually a fish with the little white bit and—and the white with a little black.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  That is us. We are, like you are mainly masculine but you’ve got some feminine energy–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  And I mainly feminine but I have some masculine energy. We need these to harmonize ourselves in this day and age in such a driving, doing success, you know? Hungry environment, humanity, society we’ve create. We’re very disbalanced. We’re very masculine the way we do things. We think we must be doing things all the time. We have checklist. We have to rush here–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  And here. We don’t achieve enough at certain time. This is all masculine and don’t get me wrong, I have much reverence for that and I love it, and we need this side of us to get things done. But we also need to see the value in—in the being, in the feminine, in the creative, in the flow, in the slowing down and the enjoying, right?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  This is also what’s missing in our life and that saying that, you know, I feel was something that was missing in my life when I—when I had that health scare. And many clients that I see, they’re either too far in their masculine—some of them, not very often a too far of a feminine not getting things done, because they’re changing her mind and—and flighty and—and from here to there, here to there. We need to find balance and strike that balance every single day. That’s another thing you can ask yourself is, “Am I driving too much?” That the type A personality, the must achieve, the must do this, they’re working 12 hours, 14 hours a day. Pulling back and—and honoring some You time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Sometimes we even need to have like, you know, a date for ourselves where I’m gonna go to the museum today. I’m gonna take myself to a movie. I’m gonna sleep in. I’m gonna read a book. And just, you know, whether it’s 20 minutes, maybe 5 minutes to slow down and have a cup of tea. We have to start valuing these as well because otherwise we reach burnout and I’m sure you’ve seen it with your clients.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  Like it can get to adrenal fatigue. It can get to absolute exhaustion. It can get to depression or so many different ways it can appear physically if we’re not–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Emotionally nourishing ourselves and—and looking at the energetics–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Things as well.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And I—I see a lot of patients who are female, typically my average patients between 35 and 65 in female—I’d see majority female but I still have a good percent of—of males as well, but–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  There’s a typical pattern that I see in a lot of my female patients, right?

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  There—there’s this type A kind of, you know, go-go-go type of world that we all live in and–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I kind of see that as women tapping into that masculine side, where they’re trying to go-go-go-go-go and–

Elise Carr:  Definitely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And there’s the inability to kinda bounce back and repair from that and it was interesting because you kind of can talk about in this abstract way of energy, but Dr. John Gray–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Did a lecture and he was talking about the female hormones, progesterone primarily estrogen–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  When there’s lots and lots of stress in an estrogen-like environment, testosterone is the fuel that kinda helps us buffer the cortisol and I kinda–

Elise Carr:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Testosterone’s like that male energy, right?

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm, absolutely.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And when testosterone is lower which is obviously the case in a female environment, right? 10 times lower than a male.

Elise Carr:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  They don’t quite have that recovery from the cortisol aspect, and I—I see that what you’re saying about the—the male-male—male side of it and the female side is the women kind of depleting some of that female energy by tapping too much into the male. Can you elaborate more on that? Do you see that as well from this Type A world–

Elise Carr:  Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  We live in?

Elise Carr:  Yes, and—and I love that you brought this up. And thank you for bringing the science into it. It’s so important as well and I totally hear you. In a simplistic way, I guess it well—what we’re saying here because we’re on the same page I feel is that females aren’t designed to function like that and yet we create a society where we have to fit into this box–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  That means this is how we are gonna supposed to act, so this is why now more than ever, there’s a massive calling for a shift. This is why you know we’ve got this new feminist kind of wave happening people are saying. Even men are saying I’m a feminist because I see the value in women. Now this isn’t about not loving men. Don’t get me wrong. I have deep reverence for men–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Absolutely. It’s about knowing where the strengths lie and saying that there is in quality in different strengths that we’re–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Equal but we had differences, right? And one thing that I find is deeply important that if we’re gonna, you know, speak about women in this regard, we obviously have a cycle, right? Let’s just say, you know, an average 28 day cycle. We are very much connected to the moon, the tides, all of the above.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  But to bring us back, you know, we know if we break it down like, you know, there’s seven days in—in each, kinda part of the cycle. If we look at this from an energetic perspective. We’ll see that you know, ovulation is an expressive time. A woman is mainly very expressive at this time. She then goes in, you know, to her creative phase for the next 7 days, and this right about she’s about to menstruate and then her menstruation time—we call it moon time, in my line of work—it’s a reflective time. She needs to pull back. This is not the time to be driving. I’m not saying you need to have, you know, five days off and that you—you can’t do things because you have your period. Not at all. But you need to know that you are in a very, you know, introspective phase of your cycle. You need to honor that, to slow down a little bit, to not book as many appointments–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  To not have as many meetings, to really honor where you’re at because women, we say the most psychic and intuitive at this phase as well. So that should be a gift. Back in ancient times, civilizations used to honor and revere women at this time. It was called the red tent. Women would gather in a space together and those who weren’t on the moon times, perhaps croons, the grandmothers who no longer are in this phase and—and the young children and the men would bring them food. They weren’t asked to do chores. They weren’t doing, doing, doing. They are being with each other, rubbing each other’s bellies, playing with each other’s hair, sharing stories, passing on wisdom from the eldest to the youngest. It was a very revered time. We have lost all of these because it’s like, “I don’t have time for that. I to do this, this, and this before 6 AM.” So we’ve—we’re really–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Elise Carr:  Lost that balance plus the harmony. But the thing is once you come out of that reflective phase, after you’ve had your moon, after your period, you are in your most dynamic phase. But you will not be a most dynamic, really getting out, to do what you want to do if you do not honor that reflective time. We need harmony and balance. We need day and night. We need winter and summer. Like, you know, we can’t function all the time if everything was sunshine. We’d die. We could not function all the time if it was darkness; we’d die. And we’ve lost this connection and—and women especially because they feel they have to conform to something they’re not, but in saying that it’s also important for the men to know that they need to have downtime, too. They can’t always be the ones that are striving and—and having to do to provide in some ways. It’s okay for them to pull back a little bit and—and have a bit of time off and have some downtime and have some nurturing time, and to be held and seen as well. We need to install that into our young boys and young men and—and men of today and the world.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Is it testosterone is a big buffer from a hormone perspective of cortisol–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm. Yes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right? And that’s the biggest thing. Men with adequate levels of testosterone, they can buffer the stress from cortisol, that’s a big aspect. But the problem is we live in a very toxic world where there are lots of synthetic estrogens around us.

Elise Carr:  I’m pleased you said this.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And that can affect a lot of the brain feedback loops that talk to the genitals to make the hormones.

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It can do the same for females because they push them into estrogen dominance–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Which we did a big podcast on 2 weeks ago which can cause–

Elise Carr:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  More PMS, fibroids, endometriosis, fibrocystic breast, so there’s kind of on both sides there’s this yin and the yang like we talked about–

Elise Carr:  Uh-hmm.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Of different imbalances and yeah, you are totally right when it comes to the males as well. They have to make sure they’re doing the right things, keeping the insulin under control and doing all the good diet and lifestyle things regarding sleep and the breathing and the right movement. Is there anything else, let’s say a female listener here can be doing maybe different than a male, maybe we can break it up on what’s better for each to kinda their—more in touch with their sexuality outside of what we already mentioned so far?

Elise Carr:  Yeah, well I guess, besides what we just mentioned which is knowing your cycle and honoring those–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  You know, the express, creative, reflective dynamic.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Breathing, too.

Elise Carr:  Honoring that in itself is so important. Yes, the breathing we’ve touched on that. Actually, setting some time aside and I call these sacred sessions–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Like scheduling lovemaking if you’re in a couple–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  But scheduling time for yourself as an individual as well. So if you have children or you have a busy schedule, this is perfect for you because you live a scheduled life and this is the way you’ve constructed your life and—and your, you know, you’re part of that system and that’s okay if this what, you know, you choose. And if that is the case, then you need to actively get your pen in your hand and carve out, put it in, write it in pen. This is what I’m gonna do for me, and made it something a week, or maybe it’s one hour a week—I like to obviously have a little bit every day which is much nicer than just having one bit a week. You gotta find what works for you. But I call this non-negotiable time. I wrote an article about your best threesome ever–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hmm.

Elise Carr:  And those three elements are with yourself–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  With—which is your soul I call that. With spirit, because it’s something greater than you have, however you connect with that, whether you believe that is God or the universal or source or whatever it is you call it. And then the third relationship is your tribe. It’s with your children. It’s with your beloved.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm. Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  It’s with community beyond that. But those first 2 relationships are non-negotiable. Non-negotiable. The first relationship is with yourself. So you might be, you know what, every single day I start my morning ritual with a cup of tea and I—I watch the sunrise if you are getting up that early or–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:   Whatever it is, you know, on your phone, you are not multitasking. You are not with another. It is purely You time for you. You are nourishing yourself, your soul. And once that is done, you’re ready to have a connection with something greater than you. For some people, this is in meditation. It’s in prayer. It’s on the yoga mat. It might be you know, speaking to—to a spiritual director. It might be going to church, however it looks, it doesn’t need to look a certain way, it’s just what you feel is a way you can connect. It might be you know, reading an excerpt from—from a book that you feel gives you some wisdom. It’s having a connection thing that’s greater than you to open that that channel, so you feel you have a connection there like a lifeline, and once you’ve nourished those two, you are then a more full and a more fulfilled camp to be of greatest service with your partner, with your child or children, in your community, at the office, in your space of work, however that is. But what we don’t do is nourish those 2 relationships first. We always go to that 3rd relationship and then we wonder why we’re angry, frustrated, feeling not seen, not heard, not held. And this applies to men and women. So I’ve kinda answered that, I guess in one go.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  But in that regard, we don’t have to be different. We’re still having a human experience. We still have to learn to take care of these elements or their selves in whatever way looks good for us, there’s no right and wrong, but you have to show up and do the work. You have to show up and do the work. No one else that can do this for you. Like I said, there’s—there’s no pill that can do that for you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right, right, and you mentioned something earlier, just a few minutes ago about scheduling lovemaking. Can you go more into that?

Elise Carr:  Yeah, absolutely. So I wrote a post called Sacred Sessions and I did this because I was seeing more and more people having a disconnect with their, I say beloved, with your partner, with your husband and wife, boyfriend-girlfriend, whatever it is. In this day and age, we may be really supportive of each other. You know, we may do little things for each other, one person buys the grocery, one you know, pays the bills, whatever it is, right? We—we support each other and we have a union. But we’re neglecting the sacred sexual and the sacred spiritual at coming together, the intimacy, the real sacred time, so I said, ”You have to schedule this in. If you want to invest in this, it means that not that it doesn’t have the romantic or it doesn’t have to be spontaneous.” It may not conventionally spontaneous because you’re gonna be like, “Okay, Thursday evening 6 til 9, or whatever it is, 6 til 8, it’s just you and me. We’ve got a babysitter or we’re gonna, you know, go somewhere or we’re just gonna create some time and space in our own bedroom, it’s actually honoring your relationship so much that you’re making it just as important, if not more important than other things. This is what we need to know here. Because your beloved needs to know that they are important to you and you need to demonstrate that with action. Some people like the words on top of it. They like a gift–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  On top of it. They like some service on top of it. We may have heard of the Love Languages. This exists, too.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  And whether this is time where you actually make love or however that looks to you or whether it’s just being together and snuggling and having a shower together. I’ve written a list which I’m gonna publish soon about different ideas of how you can use this time, and you can be really playful and you can experiment with different, you know, sexual practices that you may not have explored before and whether it’s role-playing or give each other massages. It can be anything that you both consensually agree to want to explore together, and holding that space for each other. There’s no judgment there. There’s none of that. This is a really beautiful space to get really intimate with your beloved and not let it be superseded by something else, unless I said it is, you know, a serious extreme—if someone’s really unwell something drastic has happened and we have to understand. Life happens. Other than that, this is non-negotiable. Non-negotiable and it needs to be scheduled at least, you know, once a week or once a fortnight depending on how your relationship is set up.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  That’s great. That’s awesome. Well, is there any way listeners here can get a hold of you outside of your website? Is there anything else you want to share, any books or any other opt-ins or video series coming your way?

Elise Carr:  There’s a free video series on my website.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, great.

Elise Carr:  It’s mainly targeted at ladies, but guys could definitely–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Get some value out of it. As soon as you click on StellaMuse.com, and that’s Stella with an A as you said, at the very top there’s an opt-in there for a 4-part video series and it touches on your sacred sexual space. We call it the Yoni, which means–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Literally your entire female genital area. The Yoni, the heart–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Ah.

Elise Carr:  The mind and how these need to be in sync for a woman to be fully in her most empowered space. So that video series is easily accessible and then at the bottom of our website, there’s a free e-book which is like a blueprint for your life purpose and it’s one that you can just print off and work through. It’s definitely for men, for women at any stage, great especially if you’re at a turning point and you want some guidance along the way. Other than that, you can head over to any of my social media links. There’s plenty of videos and—and lots of articles that are very practical and you can get some ideas that you can implement today, and if you feel I can be of service then Contact page, send me an email, and—and let me know specifically how you feel I can assist.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Excellent, and before I go into my last question, is there anything else that’s on the tip of your, kinda tongue or your—on top of your head that you wanted to really put out there to the listeners?

Elise Carr:  The most important thing is—is to honor your integrity and truth.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Elise Carr:  Out if everything we’ve spoken about here, it really has to resonate with you. There’s no right and wrong but you have to carve out that time, a bit of space, a bit of stillness to start listening to what your body, your heart, your soul, your mind, your genitals is—is saying to you because our bodies talk to us all the time. We know when we’re tired. We know when we’re hungry. We know when we’re thirsty. It speaks to us in other ways as well and we don’t often slow down enough to listen so I—I urge all our listeners now to—to take that time to connect with themselves and find out what they need.  And one simple way, if you’re not sure how to do this, I love putting one hand on the heart, one hand on the belly–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  Like we’ve already discussed–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, yeah.

Elise Carr:  The exact same pose and just slow down, do some of that belly breathing and then ask, “What do you need me to know right now? What do you need me to know right now?” And without judgment, just let whatever answer comes to you come to you in whatever way, and if you get nothing that’s okay. Be open to an answer coming to you, that not in your dreams, seeing a sign, hearing a song on the radio, an answer will come to you because you’ve opened up that line of communication so be patient and come from a place of loving, kindness, and compassion for yourself.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, you’ve inspired me to do a really good breathing session after this podcast, so thanks for that.

Elise Carr:  Right, you’re welcome Dr. J.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Awesome. Well, last question for you. I typically end his podcast with every question for all the different guests here. But if you are on a desert island, what would be the one supplement or herb that you’d want to take with yourself.

Elise Carr:  Ooh, that is so tricky because I’m such an herb person.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It could be anything.

Elise Carr:  Maybe—yeah, yeah. May—I say oregano. I know, you guys say oregano.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Elise Carr:  I’ll probably take that because it’s so multipurpose, full of multi-useful being an antibacterial and anti-fungal.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolutely.

Elise Carr:  And that you could probably take, you know, a little bit every day. I’m gathering a what, clean water on this island. Take a little bit every day to, you know, to keep my immune system strong as well and—and make me feel, you know, as healthy as—as I guess I can be with only one herb.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I love it. Well, I’ve gone to Mexico a few times and gotten parasite infections and I brought it with myself and it’s totally knocked it out, so–

Elise Carr:  There you do.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Very, very cool.

Elise Carr:   Thank you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Alright, well, Elise great chatting with you. StellaMuse.com and look forward to having you back soon.

Elise Carr:  Thank you so much, Dr. J. You have a wonderful rest of your day. It’s been a pleasure speaking with you.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Thanks, you as well, Elise.

 

Estrogen dominance – Podcast #110

Dr. Justin Marchegiani and Evan Brand talk about hormones, their importance and their functions, as well as the symptoms of hormonal imbalance and what causes estrogen dominance. Understanding hormones doesn’t have to be complicated and if you listen to this podcast, you’ll get a clearer picture of what hormones really are and particularly for women. 

estrogen dominance - hormonal imbalanceFind out having balanced hormones is the key to feeling good and having energy. Learn how to avoid any imbalance and how to fix these issues to help you overcome stress. Discover what you can do and gain indispensable knowledge about dealing with hormones especially for females so you can perform at your best and be in optimal function.

In this episode, topics include:

00:42   Hormones

04:30   Symptoms of estrogen dominance

08:13   Causes of estrogen dominance

17:22   Phytoestrogens, stress allocation and avoidance

25:20   Nutrients

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Evan Brand:  Dr. J! How’s it going?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Evan, it’s doing great, man! How you doin’?

Evan Brand:  Pretty—pretty well. I’m glad we got this internet thing straightened out. Let’s hit this estrogen dominance topic. People have been asking via email, social media. Clients of ours have been asking about hormones and trying to understand them. There’s so many things in the environment that impact them. Your lifestyle, your diet can impact those and so you and I wanted to outline all this together and talk about what’s affecting your hormones, why is it so complicated in the modern world, what are the new variables that didn’t exist and then what do we do to fix it. So do you wanna start—start us off?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so hormones are interesting, right? Hormones are these messengers, right? They help with inflammation. They help with growth mediation, i.e., healing and recovering, putting on muscle. They help with reproduction. Not only reproduction like in reproducing ourselves so we heal but also having children and healthy hormone balance is essential to us feeling good, to us having energy, to us being resilient and vital as we—as we age and deal with stressful situation. So hormone balance is really, really important. Now as women—women have 2 different kinds of hormones that are constantly in fluctuation generally speaking, right? Men are kind of this foghorn of hormones throughout the month. Again there’s some fluctuations on a daily basis with cortisol, as are women, but on a monthly basis, you know, men kinda have this flat rhythm regarding testosterone. Women have this kind of symphony of hormonal fluctuations regarding estrogen and progesterone. And I tell my patients estrogen is the hormone that makes you grow. Progesterone is the hormone that makes you grow up. Meaning estrogen just causes cells to just grow bigger, while progesterone helps cells to differentiate and mature, okay? This is important so throughout your cycle, kinda breaking down a woman’s monthly cycle I think is really important for the first place of connecting the dots of where abnormalities happen. So first off, women’s cycle begins with bleeding, with menstruation. Typically about 3-4 days, maybe 5 days long in some extenuating circumstances. That happens because of a drop in progesterone and estrogen. So progesterone and estrogen drop, that signals bleeding. So the uterine lining is now shed over that 3 to 5-day period. The next thing is the follicle starts to grow and that follicle, FSH from the brain is starting to be produced and that causes the follicle to grow. So FSH talks to the follicle, the follicle starts to grow. As the follicle grows, estrogen is produced by the follicle. That’s step 3. As estrogen is being produced, it eventually hits a—a toppling, you know, where it hits its highest level around day 6-9 or 6-10. Then progesterone starts to increase as estrogen tops out, alright? Progesterone is increasing due to LH. LH is luteinizing hormone. That’s a brain hormone. The two brain hormones are FSH and LH. As progesterone topples out around day 20-23 or so, that’s where hormones are at its highest regarding progesterone and then day 27-28, progesterone and estrogen fall. So if we kinda recap it real quick, briefly what’s happening is we have brain hormones causing the follicle to grow. The follicle stimulating estrogen. Estrogen stimulating LH, LH stimulating progesterone. Progesterone and estrogen dropping. And that’s kinda the general dr—gist of the average female cycle, right around 28 days or so, and about day 13-15 is where ovulation happens. That’s right where estrogen tops out and progesterone starts to rise. That’s where that 2-3 window of pregnancy happens. I’ll just take a breath and give you a chance to break it down, Evan.

Evan Brand:  Sure, sure, makes perfect sense. And a lot of women that you and I are working with may be perimenopause or menopausal so we can talk about the ebb and flow and things that change there. So basically as you’ve kinda alluded throughout most of the reproductive years, the estrogen and progesterone are in a pretty good balance, but then if you look at all the information with progesterone and estrogen levels changing, then it looks like the gap becomes bigger where there’s a relatively high estrogen compared to progesterone and that’s what we would call menopause, and then that’s when these symptoms can start to occur. So I guess what I should do now is just go through some of these what consider estrogen dominant symptoms. So this could be allergies. This could be breast tenderness. You have copper–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  yeah.

Evan Brand:  Excess.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm.

Evan Brand:  Which I did a video on copper toxicity and everybody’s like blown away by the idea of too much copper. How about cold hands and cold feet? Decreased sex drive, depression with possibly some anxiety or agitation added to it. Could be dry eyes, fat gains especially around the abdomen, the hips, the thighs, fatigue. Could be brain fog, which sometimes that could be yeast-related as well. Hair loss, headaches, blood sugar issues and fertility, irregular periods. You and I have talked about amenorrhea, just missing your period completely before. Irritability, insomnia, mood swings. I could go on and on. I think that’s a pretty good handful of symptoms though.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, absolutely. So when estrogen’s out of whack, a whole bunch of symptoms happen. The real common ones like you mentioned—most females—these are the ones that I deal with on a daily basis with all my patients, you know, the big complaints. It’s gonna be moodiness. It’s gonna be breast tenderness. It’s gonna be cramping. It’s gonna be back pain. It’s gonna be migraines, moody, sweet cravings or sugar cravings, and I would say like water retention and even weight gain.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, I would say the sex drive one has been something big. I ask that question on my intake, you know. Do you think your libido adequate? And it’s very, very rare to find a women over age 40 who says that her libido is adequate. You know, some women said they haven’t had a libido in 20 years. So I mean, these things can change with hormones and they’re not just gonna magically fall into place by diet and exercise. So eventually you and I are gonna outline what exactly is going on in the external environment that is throwing off this whole hormonal cascade here.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly and typically, as a women ages, menopause is nothing more than the ovaries not functioning like they were when you were cycling and you have a drop in hormones from that. Typically over time, one the big things we see with hormonal—hormonal fluctuations over time is that estrogen drops at about 35% the rate from age 35 to 50, while progesterone can drop at 75% the rate. So this whole podcast is really surrounding the topic of estrogen dominance and part of estrogen dominance is just being exposed to a high amount estrogens in the environment—that we’ll go into in a second. The other half is is progesterone being essentially dropping so fast that estrogen—the ratio of estrogen goes above and beyond what would be normal essentially.

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So if progesterone starts to drop faster than estrogen, even though you may have more progesterone as a basic flat line number, that’s still gonna be estrogen dominance. I mean, some people say over the course of a whole cycle you’ll have 300 times more progesterone than estrogen. At certain times of the cycle, like depending on where you’re at like let’s say, in the follicular phase you may have as many—as much as 25 times more progesterone to estrogen. So it’s different from the perspective of where you are in your cycle, but in general estrogen and progesterone—progesterone will be about 25 to 300 times more in relationship to estrogen, alright? So if that skew starts to get disrupted and we start to have less progesterone, let’s say below 20, you know, below 15 on average, that may be a big driving factor of estrogen dominance and a lot of the whole PMS symptoms and the symptoms that you just mentioned as well—the brain fog, the libido, dry hair, dry skin, dry nails, cold hand, cold feet, cramping, breast tenderness, all the things we already mentioned.

Evan Brand:  And let’s talk about some of the causes here. Birth control being a big one that can contribute because with birth control, you’re basically just keeping your estrogen levels sky high and so this is just a common prescription for many teenage girls, I’ve heard of even girls as young as 12 years old now getting put on birth control pills for their periods, you know, if they’re having really bad periods. So talk us through that. What’s going on with birth control pills? Why are these such an issue?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, birth control pills are nothing more than like synthetic estrogens. You have like Yasmin and these synthetic estradiol compounds and they basically jack up your estrogen level as a female about 4 to 500%, 4 to 5 times. And that’s a problem because hormones, right? If you look at—go to any opera or any symphony, there’s a specific timing and a volume in which everything needs to operate in. If something goes too—too loud or too quiet or something, the timing’s off, you can easily have a beautiful symphony turn into noise pretty darn fast. Now taking that analogy to a hormone cycle, if those things start to go too high because of synthetic hormone overload or too low because of hormone stress driven by inflammation, that can start to create hormonal symptoms. So that’s the big thing right there off the bat. So estrogens are gonna be jacked up way high. Sometimes with the Merena IUD, that’s inter—interuterine compound that’s put up there to prevent the egg from implanting in the uterus lining, that is—that’s actually using synthetic progesterone. So that’s a little bit different. But most of the birth control pills are gonna be synthetic estrogen-based and basically what it’s doing is keeping the estrogen so high all the time so you don’t have that rise in progesterone happening. You don’t have that cycling of hormones. So basically it shuts the HPA axis and because your hormones are so high, the LH and FSH kinda go to sleep because–

Evan Brand:  So the body eats—the body thinks it’s pregnant.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, not necessarily. The body—well, I guess you could say at a certain level. Typically progesterone’s gonna be really high with pregnancy and you’re gonna have HCG off the chart. So you’re not gonna see that because if you ran a pregnancy test while you were on a birth control pill, you wouldn’t come back with a pregnancy test being positive because you’re not making–

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  The beta HCG. But what it’s doing, it’s shutting down the brain because the brain has this domino rally of FSH raising and then LH raising, so kinda shuts that down, because when the hormones are really high, FSH and LH don’t really have to work as much because the high amount of hormones is just shutting down the whole entire symphony. It’s like going into a symphony and with the foghorn. You just overpower all the instruments, you just can’t hear anything.

Evan Brand:  Makes perfect sense. Let’s talk about the metabolism of these two. That’s something that people do not talk about. There are side-effects that we could go into. We won’t bore you with those today, but there are nutrients—your vitamin C, your magnesium, zinc, and other minerals that are required for metabolizing these pills through your liver. So if you look at someone who has been on birth control for many, many years, mo—more than likely you and I are gonna look at their adrenals. We’ll probably see low function and if we look at like an organic acids test and if we’re looking for vitamin C or other nutritional markers, they’re probably gonna be deficient. Maybe not a—maybe not the only cause would be birth control but it’s definitely a factor. And then now I know we have to mention the environmental part of estrogen still. You know, we’ve talked about adding excess estrogen in via birth control but we have all the xenoestrogens in the environment, and now we’re seeing teenage boys with man boobs and you know, this is not—this is not good. This is not something that would have happened let’s say even 100, maybe 150 years ago with this breast enlargement. Can—can we go through some of those like the, you know, the—the meats, the plastics, the canned goods, all of that stuff?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, exactly. So again, we already kinda mentioned some of the mild to moderate symptoms regarding estrogen dominance and again people that are listening that are familiar with some of the pathological situations like uterine fibroids, endometriosis, fibrocystic breast, polycystic ovarian syndrome, even breast tumors. Those are ultimate, you know, severe more pathological forms of estrogen dominance in action.

Evan Brand:  Right. It makes sense.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And then—yeah, and regarding some of the underlying environmental causes, too much sugar is gonna drive a lot of this because too much sugar is gonna increase insulin. Insulin resistance drives more fat growth. Because if our cells are saturated and we can’t burn sugar in our muscles, well, guess what happens to that sugar? It goes right into fat and fat actually is its own exocrine gland. It produces a hormone that’s gonna cause fats—it’s gonna basically produce leptin which is another hormone that’s gonna decrease our body’s ability to signal satiation and signal that we’re full, which is another thing, and it’s also gonna produce more sex hormones like estrogen. So if we have more fat cells, fat cells will actually produce more hormones and throw us off even more. So driving insulin resistance, driving fat, fat will then drive more estrogen and then also it’s gonna screw up the whole combination here with leptin which is gonna make us feel hungrier and eat more of that same junk that got us there and to begin with. So a lot of these mechanisms that we overlay, you can see there’s almost like this vicious cycle to them where they kinda repeat itself on a loop over and over and over again.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, and then like you mentioned, they could all start with diet or sugar. So I mean, that’s a—that’s a huge one. It’s not something that we wanna skip over but you and I, we hit the diet piece so much that we’re assuming if you’re listening to this show, then you’re generally closer to like an AIP style diet where you’re not eating gluten. Maybe you’re doing a little bit of dairy in the form of like some ghee or some grass-fed butter.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Evan Brand:  But beyond that, you—you gotta have that foundation in place, and then we could go on with the personal care products. You got your pesticides and herbicides.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  yes.

Evan Brand:  But you’re eating organic, you’re avoiding that. You got your makeup for women. So that—that is in the personal care category.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Huge.

Evan Brand:  But think about women that are lathering themselves a lot of times with heavy metals and phthalates and all that, too, in their makeups.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You also have your pesticides, I mean, a lot of those are estrogenic in origin. Pesticides, fungicides, herbicides. You have a lot of chemicals in the water as well. Remember when you get your water filtered back, the conventional water filtration in your community won’t filter out a lot of the hormones in the water. So you’re getting–

Evan Brand:  Yeah, we—oh yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  The—the trace amounts of pharmaceuticals you’re talking about–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  That people flush down the toilet.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Uh-hmm. Absolutely.

Evan Brand:  Fluoride would be another one that we could talk about.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  That’s another endocrine disruptor there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, fluoride. Also a lot of these polybrominated diphenyl ethers that are in flame-retardant products and various solvents, definitely not good. Milk if we’re drinking or consuming conventional dairy, a lot of the milks are treated with a Posilac, which is—or similar—no, Similac’s the formula. Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Right.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  It’s Posilac. Posilac is the growth hormone given to cows to produce more milk essentially and then we have conventional dairy or conventional meat which could come from cows because cows are gonna be given hormones as well on the meat side, right? You have your Jersey cows which produce the milk. They’re given the Posilac to make more breast milk or make more you know, cow milk, and then we have the cows that are eaten for steaks and meat and those cows are gonna be given more growth hormone and estrogens to make more meat as well. They’re also given mycotoxins, too, to produce more fat to make their meat more marble then they’re given a lot of grains which are loaded with mycotoxins as well to make the meat more marbled. So a lot of different chemical toxins that are coming in on both sides of the fence.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, not even to mention the grain they’re getting fed is likely sprayed with glyphosate or it’s genetically modified grain that these conventional meat products have consumed.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bingo. Exactly.

Evan Brand:  Yeah. Last thing on—on the, I guess on the xenoestrogen route would be fragrances. So any woman or man wearing you know, perfumes, colognes, air fresheners, using those little trees that people put on their rearview mirror. It’s the worst smell on the world.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, absolute toxins.

Evan Brand:  Don’t use those.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Absolute toxins. I remember in high school, I used to love having those in my car like the—the vanilla scent one. I thought it was so cool but then the more I studied it, it was just absolute toxins.

Evan Brand:  So were you the guy who when one of the trees ran out of scent, did you go to the car wash and buy another tree and stack it on or did you remove the first one?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, I—I would remove the first one, but I always keep a tree in there to keep it going.

Evan Brand:  Oh, I—I’ve seen people who have 20 trees stacked on one another on their rearview mirror.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I know.

Evan Brand:  They can’t even see out the windshield.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Isn’t that nasty?

Evan Brand:  It’s horrible. Well, actually, Luke who and I were talking about–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Before the show–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Luke Storey.

Evan Brand:  Luke—he posted something online about he got in an Uber and he posted a picture of a guy who had like 20 of the black trees.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, God.

Evan Brand:  On his g—on his a—and so he had like a little portable ozone generator that he was breathing in in—in the backseat of the car.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, my God. Unreal.

Evan Brand:  Poor Luke.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I know. What you gonna do?

Evan Brand:  Yeah. Let’s talk about phytoestrogens, too, in the food if—I guess we’ll hit the diet piece again. So these are your sources of soy. So mainly we’re talking about soy bean, your tofu, all of that. Something that’s frustrating for me is when you’re looking for a good protein bar, you may—you might find an organic protein bar at your health food store, but typically one of the first ingredients is gonna be soy protein crisp. It’s like come on, that’s not good.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  I know. Whatchamacallit, yeah, Clif Bars has got them. Even I think–

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  A lot of the Zone bars, too. There’s only a few bars that actually have decent, clean protein in their bars, but that’s a big one. Soy’s a big phytoestrogen. Outside of miso, natto, or tempeh, soy is—for the most part is not gonna be good. Some menopausal females can get away with a small amount of it, if fermented-wise because it can help modulate their hormones when they’re lower in estrogens, right? Menopausal, but for the most part, people should not be doing soy. It’s not a good thing. It’s—and outside of that, too, we talked about the chemicals. We talked the industrial solvents, the hygiene products. You can always go to the website, skindeep.com or org to look up your products that you use on your face, on your hair, on your skin, your makeup, and see how much chemicals or toxins are in them. Oh, stress! Stress is huge because stress will cause your progesterone which is a major building block of your hormones to go downstream. Meaning it will progesterone and shunt it in the cortisol or stress hormones so you can deal with whatever that stressor is, because your body is hardwired to prioritize stress and inflammation first over recovery and healing and fertility second. And it kinda makes sense because if you’re stressed now, the body wants to deal with that stress, get over it and then because able to repair later, because if it doesn’t deal with the stressor, it may not get to that next point of being–

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Able to heal and recover. So it’s just allocation.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, maybe you’re—maybe you’re dead and because you got eaten by the bear because your body was trying to repair and run at the same time. It can’t do both, so people who are listening, you know, always have the ancestral lens added as filter on to our conversations because this is very new. All this stuff that we’re dealing with, the environment is so new and we still have this ancient wiring systems that’s thinking–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Okay, there’s a bear coming down my driveway right now, I need to be in Fight or Flight, so recovery is—is not prioritized. And people listening, even just you having a notification sound—Justin and I have talked about this before, but even just having notifications on your smartphone or your computer “Ding!” every time you get an email, that’s triggering a biological response in the brain, that’s a hormonal response. Your body’s thinking, “Oh, what the hell is in that email? Is that a bill? Is that letter from somebody I don’t wanna hear from? What’s in that inbox?” That could be a huge source of stress so you really need to—you could either track your heart rate variability or just track how you feel. If you feel your heart racing or gut hurting after you’re expose to social media, something like that, these are the invisible stressors that can really trigger stuff for people and if you put—well, what does that actually do? You’re just saying this. But what does it do? Well, it inhibits the conversion of—of hormone, your T4 to your active T3, and so then you’re gonna have those hypothyroid symptoms and it could all be due to the stress.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and just think about it like this, right? If you’re barely getting—barely making enough ends to meet, you know, you’re barely getting enough money to make ends meet, so to speak, right? Do you have enough money to go and start investing in things in the stock market or real estate? Probably not because you’re just so focused on getting the bills paid. That’s all you can focus on. Once the bills are paid, i.e., once you’re able to manage stress and inflammation in your life, then you can think about investments after that, right? Same thing hormonally with how your body is prioritized to allocate bandwidth to essentially.

Evan Brand:  Right, that—yeah, that’s well said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You can–

Evan Brand:  Do you want talk about–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Do you wanna talk about solutions for this? I think avoidance is kind of the—the big one that we could say in one sentence and be done with that, you know? Getting these things out of your life, making sure that you’re eating organic, making sure that you are staying away from the chemicals as much as possible. You’re looking at your skin care products. You’re looking at the makeup, the mascaras, the foundation, all of that crazy stuff that women put on to, you know, they feel like they have to put that on to be beautiful. I promise most women I see, they’re more beautiful without makeup. You look so much better. I tell my wife, “You don’t need it.” Country singers they say—they sing that in their songs like, “Oh, don’t put on makeup.” But it’s a real thing, especially if you have, you know, freckles and—and whatever natural skin pigmentation, that’s pretty. You don’t have to cover that up. So maybe turning off the TV is the first step to get through that process.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yup.

Evan Brand:  Because women are brainwashed into thinking they have to—to have caked on xenoestrogens to look pretty and they don’t.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly and that’s part of the whole, you know, brainwashing that Hollywood does, is they try to make most people feel incredibly inadequate about themselves so they can go buy some product and you know, frankly, it works. As much as a lot of women don’t like it and they complain about it, but it works and that’s why they do it.

Evan Brand:  Well, because if—yeah, you’re saying because if one lady is gonna wear makeup, then you don’t wanna be the only one without it?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right. I mean, I—my wife asked me, “Should I wear makeup tonight?” You know, she’s telling—she’s asking me this. I’m like, “No, you shouldn’t.” I like you better without makeup. It’s just—it’s better. It’s healthier.  But–

Evan Brand:  It really is.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  But there are some natural things out there. I know there’s a-

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  There’s some—some mineral-based makeups that you can just kinda touch things up and it’s more mineral and more natural-based and it’s easy and you’re not adding a big toxic load. Those will be if you’re gonna use makeup because some people may not be ready to make that switch, but that’s the better next step to look at.

Evan Brand:  I’ve seen a couple organic mascaras. I don’t know how it could be organic. But Hannah’s purchased a few organic mascaras and then also a few foundations. I don’t know if they were considered organic or they were labeled without phthalates. I can’t think of the brand right now. I wanna say it had the name Doctor in it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Huh.

Evan Brand:  Doctor’s Best or something and it was a brand of makeup. If you look on Amazon, I know there’s a bunch of different companies out there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, absolutely. So diving in here, we talked about the stress allocation and how your bodies and your adrenals can be affected by this whole thing, right? Because of the prioritization of progesterone to cortisol. You also touched in on how that cortisol can affect your thyroid because if your hormones start going off, if progesterone starts going off, that can affect thyroid conversion because if cortisol’s out of balance, that can affect T4 to T3 conversion which is your inactive thyroid hormones, so you’re active thyroid hormone. And also progesterone’s a powerful stimulator of TPO, which is the enzyme that helps bind tyrosine and iodine together to make thyroid hormone. So progesterone is really important to building thyroid hormone. So you can see this is why you don’t just get one symptom when hormones go out of balance because it just has this constellation ripple that can happen and many symptoms can occur because of it.

Evan Brand:  Yup, well said. So avoidance. We talked about lifestyle changes, you know, doing what you can whether it’s a floating tank, whether it’s yoga, tai chi, qigong. There’s meditation. There’s gratitude exercises, journaling. You and I have done entire podcasts dedicated to that. I don’t wanna skim over it but I think there’s so much that said about stress that you—you just have to—you have to do it. And if you say that you don’t have 5 minutes to meditate, well, you probably need quadruple that amount of time.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Exactly. Yup, setting a timer like that can be really helpful. Even just sitting and just breathing. Just—just staring literally out—out your window. Just staring and just thinking about the sky or whatever, just clouding your head or just whatever is going on and just think about whatever you’re looking at. That’s why you talk about forest bathing or walking in nature and just being 100% present where you’re at. Oh, look a tree! Oh, look a rock! And all you’re focused on is what your eyes are gazing at.

Evan Brand:  I love it. Yeah, I mean I’m looking outside right now. It’s a beautiful day here. It’s in the mid-60s so it’s getting chilly but the sky is so blue. I mean, I’m so grateful for that.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Love it.

Evan Brand:  To not have a cloudy day.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Love it. That’s awesome.

Evan Brand:  Should we talk about nutrients? You wanna go there in terms of like estrogen metabolism support–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Stuff like that?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so let’s just kinda dive in the gut because the gut’s really important to the nutrients getting to where they have to go. Would you agree?

Evan Brand:  I, oh—yeah, 100%!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so we’ve kinda talked about it when we did our dry run round 1 on this podcast on Friday that got—didn’t quite go through on our side, so we’re even more polished for this podcast round 2. We talked about estrogen hormone conjugation, and conjugation is nothing more than putting a straightjacket on the hormone. Okay, so, you know, because we’re talking about estrogen here, estrogen begins with E so we’ll use Evan as our form of estrogen in this analogy.

Evan Brand:  Here we go.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Alright? So E for Evan, E for estrogen. I’m putting a straightjacket on Evan so I can escort him out of let’s say the—the rowdy club, right? He’s—he’s going crazy. He’s fist-pumping. We’re gonna put a straightjacket on him, escort him out of the club. That’s kinda like what our body does to estrogen. It’s done its thing. It’s going. It’s getting shot back out the gallbladder into the gut to get metabolized. We bind these proteins to it. It’s called conjugation or in this analogy, straightjackets on Evan so we can escort it out. The problem is back gut bacteria imbalances meaning more bad bacteria in relationship to good bacteria in your gut—this is called dysbiosis—this upregulates specific enzymes known as β-glucuronidase. You know it’s an enzyme because it ends on the word –ase. This enzyme basically comes over and takes the straightjacket off. So imagine Evan being escorted out of the bar, right? The club. He’s being rowdy. Someone clips open the straightjacket and now he’s loose and he’s—he’s running away from the bouncer or the police. That’s what happens. Estrogen gets unconjugated or deconjugated. Boom! It can go right back into circulation and cause tissue to grow, whether its endometriosis or cause fibroids to occur, or create hormonal imbalances and symptoms and mood swings, and affects your mood and—and cause you to gain weight. All these different things can happen when we have gut bacteria imbalances. So that’s kind of the—the estrogen-gut detox mechanism. And then we also have the fact that if we have malabsorption because we have too much gut bacteria imbalance, more bad than good. We have low stomach acid and low enzyme levels, well, we’re not gonna be able to break down a lot of the nutrients we need to be able to metabolize hormones, whether it’s B6 or zinc and magnesium or various B vitamins that, you know, help with phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification, sulfur-based amino acids. All these things have to be broken down into their constituents so they can be absorbed and get into circulation and also we need to ionize various minerals, like magnesium and zinc. These are really important minerals. We have ionize them. That basically allows these minerals to get soluble. It’s solubilized into the bloodstream so it can do its thing and be utilized.

Evan Brand:  Yeah, so I mean we could add another layer on top of that. Parasites, yeast, we know–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Evan Brand:  With Doctor–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  All these things affect that.

Evan Brand:  Dr. Jonathan Wright’s book, Why Stomach Acid is Good For You. We know that any woman listening over age 30, you have lower levels of hydrochloric acid and enzymes than you did when you were 20. So it’s not to—you don’t have to guess and—and check and think, “Oh, do I low enzymes?” I guarantee it. I would suggest and you tell me if—if you suggest different, but I generally suggest anyone over age 30 especially people that busy or eating in a rush or scrolling–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Big time.

Evan Brand:  Scrolling on their phone while they’re eating which is a big no-no, you gotta have enzymes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%.

Evan Brand:  Supplemental enzymes that is.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, I mean enzymes and/or hydrochloric acid because hydrochloric acid actually activates enzymes.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hydrochloric acid activates pepsinogen to pepsin in the stomach and also provides the PA stimulation for the pancreas to produce trypsin, chymotrypsin, lipase, a whole bunch of other proteolytic enzymes that are really important. So without HCl and/or enzymes, you’re gonna be in a world of hurt when it comes to digestion. And most women don’t get this, men as well, but they don’t understand the fact that you can have digestive problems and may not actually have digestive symptoms. People think, “Well, hey I don’t have diarrhea or constipation or bloating, I’m not too gassy, I don’t burp too much, I don’t have any acid reflux, and I got to the bathroom every day. Hey, I don’t have a problem.” Right? But a lot of times, their moodiness, their PMS, they migraines, their other issues in their body–

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Can be driven by the inflammation going in their gut because they’re not—they don’t or they’re not expressing with atypical—I’m sorry, they’re not expressing with typical gas symptoms, bloating, gas, constipation, diarrhea. They’re expressing with atypical, outside of the norm symptoms that just are really hard to be connected and their medical doctor they go to won’t ever recognize it because they are great, they’re depressed—could be a hormonal issue, could be a gut issue, but guess what? They’re gonna be put on Wellbutrin–

Evan Brand:  Lexapro.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Lexapro, Paxil. Hey, you know they’re feeling, you know, a little bit anxious. Great, they’re gonna get thrown on Xanax.

Evan Brand:  Ugh.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Hey, you know, they’re feeling like their cycle’s a little unstable, they’re getting thrown on a birth control pill. It could totally be from–

Evan Brand:  That’s horrible.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  All the other dysbiosis and the poor detox happening in their gut.

Evan Brand:  It’s horrible, man. It’s horrible. I had a female last week, she asked me—we found Giardia and Blasto—the double, double trouble there.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Double trouble.

Evan Brand:  And she said, “Well, I don’t have any gut symptoms. Do we still have to treat it?” I said, “100%, you can—just because you’re, you know, not running to the bathroom with diarrhea, the typical manifestation of Giardia, it doesn’t mean we can just let it stay there.” Could you—maybe you would have a—a more, a better answer than me. I just said, “Absolutely.” But I know there could be more to that. You can be as long-winded as possible with this.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, I tell people that everyone has the right to be infection-free, right? That’s my goal. To make sure everyone’s infection-free. Now the problem is everyone also has the right to have more than one issue going on at once. So a lot of patients, they have hormonal imbalances, but they also have other issues that are driving the hormonal imbalances that don’t necessarily from bird’s eye view connect, i.e., the Blasto and Giardia and this girl’s female hormone or mood symptoms. So–

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, so anytime there’s a stressor, that’s an issue. It’s like you walk into your house. Okay, let’s say you have a couple of guest bedrooms. Let’s say you don’t go in those guest bedrooms for a while. The guest that was in there last left the water running just a bit. You don’t know it. You don’t hear it. But you get this water bill every month and it’s just a little bit higher than you’re used to and you’re like, “Why the heck is my water bill 30% higher? I’m barely even using it. I’m gone half the month. What’s going on?” And then you look over and you’re like, “Oh, the water in my guest bedroom’s on. That’s what it is. I’m gonna turn it off.” Now what’s this equal? Having water in your guest bedroom on is like having a parasite or a bug stealing your nutrition, pooping inside of you, i.e., creating biotoxins, creating inflammation and maybe even creating leaky gut which is stressing your immune system which takes up energy. All of those stressors like that parasite or infections involved in, toxins, malabsorption, leaky gut, immune activation, that’s nothing more than draining your energy. So instead of your energy being allocated to performance and recovery and healing, right? It’s going towards something else. Just like your water bill’s being sucked towards these guest bedrooms that you don’t even—you’re not even aware of them because you’re not there on a day-to-day basis.

Evan Brand:  Now so from the nervous system perspective, couldn’t we say that you’re gonna be sympathetic dominant, more fight or flight?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  More, 100%. Yeah.

Evan Brand:  Because you’re fighting an internal battle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bingo! And the problem, the sympathetic nervous system, the allocation because we’re hardwired this way and it totally makes sense is when the fight or flight, the sympathetic, that’s like the gas, go, go, go, go, go. That’s the gas, the sympathetic fight or flight nervous system shuns blood flow towards the muscles, towards the outer extremities because we have to fight and flee and we need oxygen and nutrition and glucose to get to those outer extremities so we can perform. If the blood glucose is inside the intestines and inside all the organs where they should be and they’re digesting, you will not be able to run as fast. That’s the main reason why activity after your meal is destructive for your digestion, you get an upset stomach. Remember the old analogy of like, “Hey, you shouldn’t go swim. You should wait, what, 2 hours or an hour after you eat to go swimming.” Why is that? It’s because at some point, someone did that and they got a cramp because there wasn’t enough blood flow or they got an upset stomach and got sick.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So–

Evan Brand:  Because you’re trying to rest and digest and be active at the same time. You can’t do it.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yeah, and the analogy is this, right? If the sympathetic fight or flight nervous system is your foot in the gas, and if the digestive system and relaxation and repair is the brake pedal, what happens when you hit the gas pedal and brake pedal at the same time?

Evan Brand:  Yeah, it’s not a good—not a good—not a good picture.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No, no, exactly.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  You’re—you’re spending a lot of time going nowhere fast.

Evan Brand:  Yup, so to wrap this whole segment up of—of this part of the—the conversation. If you’re someone listening, especially female, or you and I are working together, you’re working with Justin already, and you tell us, “Yeah, but my life’s not that stressful. I’m not that stressed.” It doesn’t matter because all of this hormonal imbalance and these symptoms that you have could all be going on due to something in your gut. And Justin, you and I both are—we’ve seen false negatives on stool test results. So sometimes it may take one or two or three times to really find what’s going on. So if you’ve gone to your conventional doctor or even the gastroenterologist, the specialist you’re gonna get referred to that’s gonna throw you on prescription acid blockers, if they run tests on you and how up negative, don’t necessarily take their word for it. I hate to say this that these prestigious hospitals and et cetera are missing infections but you and I see it every single day in the clinic and we’re finding these infections. So if you actually get something on a piece of paper, you’re gonna have a lot more room to work with. So don’t just go buy hormone balancing or hormone this or hormone that supplement. You really need to get to the root of the root which in some cases could be the infection route.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Oh, 100%. And again, really looking at everything holistically is really exactly how you have to do it because of the interplay with body systems that may not typically connect to the average person because you know, they’re not a trained functional medicine clinician and definitely will not connect with the average conventional medical doctor because they’re training is drug symptom, drug symptom, drug symptom, and they don’t look at upstream stressors and body systems that may be out of balance.

Evan Brand:  Sure, so I’ll put it even more—even more direct. If you’re going to your OB-GYN or your endocrinologist, they’re not gonna have a clue about you having a cryptosporidium infection in your gut and giving you an herbal protocol to remove that infection so that your hormones come back into balance.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%.

Evan Brand:  It’s never gonna happen. I mean, I will—I will bet you know every silver bar that exists on the planet that—that you’re not gonna get it. If you do, then that doctor, they—they’ve stepped up their game and they’ve done some functional, you know, they’ve taken some functional courses.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And sometimes it’s good like get that workup done. You know, just you know, go with the low-hanging fruit. I find most of the time patients come to see me and that’s already been done–

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  And it’s already been missed but hey, always start with what’s the easiest and you know, what I consider to be the low-hanging fruits, that way you know you’ve crossed your T’s and dotted your I’s so to speak and then you can go up the chain regarding the—the functional medicine, you know, ladder so to speak.

Evan Brand:  Sure, and I guess we could briefly talk about, you know, the financial aspect of it, too. If someone does have health insurance or they’re able to go see a doctor through their work and it’s at no charge to them, then you might as well try to milk that for as much as you possibly can, but unfortunately in most cases the lab results that get sent over to you and I that we review, there’s not much evidence there. We can’t really work with that. We really have to do the more functional tests which are an investment but sometimes that’s what it takes.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  100%. So looking at this point here. If everyone listening or anyone listening is dealing with a—a hormonal imbalance, whether it’s men and just having low libido and—and poor muscle tone or women having PMS or menopausal symptoms or everything in between that we already mentioned, the whole litany of—of different items there, the next step is gonna be one, digging into the female hormones, right? Testing hormones at the right time of your cycle. We test female hormones typically around Day 20 or so if we’re looking at progesterone to estrogen. Some we even run a month-long cycle to see how the hormones fluctuate every other day. And some will even dig deeper into looking at thyroid as well as a full gut panel. So depending on where you’re at, if you’re having issues and you’ve already kind of ruled out the things we’ve already talked about on the diet and lifestyle, the next step would be to step it up regarding the functional medicine’s options that are available and kind of our—our palette if you will.

Evan Brand:  Yup.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So the next step would be to reach out to either myself, to Evan, notjustpaleo, Dr. J myself, justinhealth.com or some other competent trained functional medicine doctor or practitioner to get everything kinda lined up in order based on what we talked about in the podcast today.

Evan Brand:  You hit on the—the last word that I wanted to say is the order.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Yes.

Evan Brand:  You know, something that is very important for anything, you know. If this is just adrenal problems or just hormone problems or just gut problems, whatever it is, it has to be done in the right order. Please, please, please don’t add to your supplement graveyard because you read about some product on Amazon or you saw it at the health food store and it was in the hormone section. Save your money because if you’re doing things in the wrong order, you’re really just wasting your money. Now I’m not gonna say that taking a zinc supplement is necessarily gonna make you worse because we know that–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  No.

Evan Brand:  70% of women or more are not getting enough zinc, so yeah it’s not going to hurt you. It might help you but why go and spend all this money if it’s not done in the right order because you’re gonna save so much more money in the long run if you do things in the right order by working with a practitioner.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Well, it’s like baking a cake, right? Let’s just pretend it’s a gluten-free flourless cake for our—for our healthy analogy, right? You have the eggs. You have the—the coconut flour or you have maybe some Stevia in there, whatever else, maybe some grass-fed butter or coconut oil. Well, how we mix things in baking a cake is really important to the outcome of the product, of the outcome of the cake.

Evan Brand:  Yeah.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  So let’s say you—you do start doing a heavy metal cleanse first, gut-killing second. You work on the diet 3 months into it and then you don’t touch the hormones and the thyroid til month 4. Well, you did a lot of things that were supposed to be done but they were just all done in the wrong order. Just like making a cake, you cook it before you mix the eggs and then you add the—the Stevia at the end or whatever. It doesn’t come out to be a nice-looking cake.

Evan Brand:  Yup, yup, Well-said.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Anything else you wanna add, Evan?

Evan Brand:  I don’t think so. I think this is—this has been good coverage. Share this, if you have somebody who’s going through all this stuff. I mean, I could think of 20 people right off the top of my head who I know have problems with estrogen metabolism or estrogen dominance. So sharing is caring. This is the information that has to get out there. We’re gonna continue doing our work, we’ve got, you know, between Justin and I both, we’re over—likely over 6 million. I haven’t counted. I know for sure, 100% guaranteed over 5 million downloads of conversations that we’re having, probably up to 6 million by the 4-year anniversary of my show which is coming up really darn quick. I think it’s November 11th of 2012–

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Wow.

Evan Brand:  Would be the 4-year anniversary. So that’s—that’s a lot of people but that’s still not enough. That—I mean look at the suffering out there. Look at the people that are going and they’re spinning their wheels and they’re buying these diet programs and they’re buying these fitness books and they’re not getting the answers and they’re beating their heads against the walls, and they’re buying you know, diet root beers and look at Pepsi. I mean they had to bring back their aspartame version of their Diet Pepsi because so many people complained about the taste, you know? So don’t prioritize the taste. You know, prioritize the—the quality of your—of your liquids, the quality of your nutrition. Prioritize that better over taste and if you ask me, I think aspartame tastes horrible and it’s a neurotoxin, not to mention. So always look at something through the lens of the quality, not necessarily the taste or the cost or—or all of that, because you’re really gonna save yourself a lot of trouble if you start turning around the boat now as opposed to waiting til when you hit rock bottom and then you’re coming to Justin or myself and then you’re saying, “Look, I’ve had this stuff going on for 20 years.” Well, how long have you known something was wrong? “Well, I knew I should have gotten help you know, back in 2003, but I didn’t.”

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Right.

Evan Brand:  You know, don’t be—don’t be one of those people. Thousands of people have come to our clinics. It’s your turn. If you’re suffering, stop suffering. You don’t need to.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bingo. Love it, Evan. Well, feel free and reach out to Evan at notjustpaleo.com, Dr. J myself, justinhealth.com or beyondwellnessradio.com. Subscribe to the podcast and the YouTube channel and we look forward to providing more information very soon.

Evan Brand:  Check out Justin’s videos. He’s over 20,000 subscribers on YouTube. He’s gonna be—I’m telling him, he’s gonna be the King of Functional Medicine on YouTube.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Just able to help more people. I love it.

Evan Brand:  Yes, sir. Take care!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Have a good day, Evan.

Evan Brand:  Bye!

Dr. Justin Marchegiani:  Bye!

 


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